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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number two hundred and four,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show, we're preparing for shed Rally

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Speaker 1: weekend by sharing our best shed hunting advice, and then

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Jeremy Moore to talk through some really

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Speaker 1: interesting next level antler dog insights. You're gonna enjoy this one. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: I need to cut in here and give you a

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Speaker 1: little pre introduction to what you're about to hear, because

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Speaker 1: in a second here you're gonna hear me in this

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Speaker 1: original intro laying out the plan for today's episode, and

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Speaker 1: part one is you're gonna here is me and Dan

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Speaker 1: talking about a lot of stuff related to shed hunting.

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Speaker 1: But then you're gonna hear me mentioned part two, which

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Speaker 1: features Jeremy Moore of Dog Bone Hunter and him and

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Speaker 1: me talking about training shed hunting dogs. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to add this little prologue is because

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Speaker 1: I think in that original intro I kind of undersell

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Speaker 1: that portion of the podcast. But now that I've actually

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Speaker 1: recorded that interview. I'm now feeling compelled to oversell because

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Speaker 1: I think it just turned out really really cool. If

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Speaker 1: you someday want a shed hunting dog or if you

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Speaker 1: have one now, I think this is a really unique

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Speaker 1: and helpful conversation that's different than most other shed dog

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Speaker 1: training interviews or resources I've seen out there. Me and

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Speaker 1: Jeremy and this one we go in depth on my

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Speaker 1: own personal shed dog challenges and frustrations, and the insight

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Speaker 1: that Jeremy provided on this one was it was just

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Speaker 1: it was just really awesome, so much so that I

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Speaker 1: came out of this conversation with a whole new level

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Speaker 1: of excitement and interest in my dog and his antler

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Speaker 1: finding future. It was just kind of a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it was neat. I really enjoyed it, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to have this little prelude to make sure you

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Speaker 1: knew what was coming. Um, So enough of that. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this one as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm going to drop you right into the

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Speaker 1: original recording. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by A Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: and Today on the show, we are talking shed hunting. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're talking bone, we're talking white gold, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about all this stuff because of course it's that time

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Speaker 1: of year and um it is also shed Rally week.

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Speaker 1: So remember that one year you and me went shed

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Speaker 1: hunting and we were just like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: randomly each one of us. Ye shed rally in the

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Speaker 1: mountain in the woods. That was was that, just me

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Speaker 1: and you? Because there was what does Corey was there that?

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Speaker 1: What does ross yelling? Does you guys have um something

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Speaker 1: that you hell yell? And it's when you guys find antler.

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Speaker 1: Well I've always wanted to yell bingo, bengo if you

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Speaker 1: find a really big one. Um, I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: just yell shed um or I scream expletives and start

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Speaker 1: up to that point. But yeah, dude, Um, shed Rally

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Speaker 1: is this weekend, which is this you know, this event

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Speaker 1: that the folkstore White Tail Properties started a handful of

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Speaker 1: years ago and it's just become kind of a cool

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Speaker 1: thing for everyone. Um, just a weekend where everyone tries

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Speaker 1: to get out and go shed hunting wherever you're at.

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Speaker 1: Share pictures share videos stuff on social media. UM, and

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Speaker 1: it's just been a good excuse for me and my

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Speaker 1: buddies to come out to Iowa each of the past

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Speaker 1: few years too and do some shed hunting. So we've

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Speaker 1: got to spend a couple of those weekends together, Dan

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Speaker 1: and Uh. We got another one coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 1: So here's here's the first question before we get to everything,

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're talking sheds. I want me and

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Speaker 1: Dan here. We're gonna talk a little about our most

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Speaker 1: in past years and past seasons, but now you and

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Speaker 1: He's been the podcast before. He's the guy who trains

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Speaker 1: my question for you, Dan shed Rally is this weekend

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Speaker 1: There's two things right. Number one, it's snowing an Iowa

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Speaker 1: and this is you and me hashing out our personal

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Speaker 1: kind of podcast if I was dead. So she hunting hunting?

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about your trip with your wife. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: shed spot and reduced which is nice to see. Um

428
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I don't know. I think that's been one

429
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: of the very most um impactful changes I've made to

430
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: my shed hunting tactics is just you know, we have

431
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: limited time to shed hunt, so when you are out there,

432
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: I think it's much better focusing your efforts on the

433
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: high quality locations and hit more high quality locations instead

434
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: of spending your time spread across everything, um and and

435
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: and maybe wasting time and spots where your chances of

436
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: finding one are much much lower. What's uh, I don't know.

437
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: Maybe that's my biggest shed hunting lesson or like one

438
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: of the most things. What am I trying to stay here?

439
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that stands out to me the

440
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: most is the most important things I'm thinking about this

441
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: time of year. We're what are what are some of

442
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: the things for you over over these years that you

443
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: now keep in mind? What are your most important shed

444
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: hunting philosophies, right, And just like you, if I had

445
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: the time, I would scour everything. But because I can't

446
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: want to go to the places where i've number one,

447
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: had historically good years and fines, you know, I keep

448
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: hitting these these two specific fields right off the bat

449
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: right before I hop into the timber or these other

450
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 1: CRP fields where you know there there may not be

451
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: a close food source. But what I like to do

452
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: is just I almost I guess I have this theory

453
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: where I'm hunting, right, it's like reverse hunting. The shed

454
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: is now you and you are now the deer. Right,

455
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: so the shed could fall anywhere between betting, transition areas

456
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: and food sources. Right, So if once you identify those places,

457
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: then you can spend your time walking back and forth

458
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: in those places, whether it is a a food source,

459
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: so you scour the food source, or it's a transition

460
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: area or a staging area, and you walk those places,

461
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: and then you walk the betting areas, right, and you

462
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: just treat it like almost like you're almost hunting, but

463
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: you're your mobile all the time. And if you can

464
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: find the deer, you know those places where the deer

465
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: are betting and the deer are eating, and you just

466
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: walk back and forth between those areas, I feel like

467
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: you've got a really good chance of finding sheds this

468
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: time of year. So let's talk about those types of places,

469
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: because we're talking we've been talking generically good betting, good feeding.

470
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: What are the places that you find in Iowa at

471
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: least that are good late season food sources that tend

472
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: to attract deer and sheds or what tend to be

473
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: good betting here as this time? What are the specific

474
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: things are spots that are you know, that actually fall

475
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: underneath those labels, right, So I'll just give you a

476
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: specific example, and that is the the corn field that

477
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: the corn stubble. Right. So what this is there's timber

478
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: and you know, some decent betting surrounding this field and

479
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: even this giant buffer strip with trees in it that

480
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: go right up through the middle. So the they're betting

481
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: in there as well because they have direct sunlight, they

482
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: have trees that they can trees and terraces that they

483
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: can bed on the down wind side, so they're not

484
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: getting beat to death by wind, so they're warm and

485
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: there um they have the advantage when it comes to

486
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: wind and they have food nearby, And because this winter

487
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: was so cold, I feel that the deer are going

488
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: to be bedding closer to the food sources to not

489
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: waste as much energy. So if they can bed at

490
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: the food source, I feel that's a win win for

491
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: these animals. And they have the tall grass in the

492
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: buffer strip to call home. And you know that that's

493
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 1: one specific example that I like to focus on this

494
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: time of year because it's plus, it's easy to walk. Yeah,

495
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: And I feel like consistently, if you find a crop

496
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: field that has leftover grain, if you've got those buffer strips,

497
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the grassy edges or grassy strips that go out into

498
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: the middle of it like year in here out, I

499
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: feel like between me and the buddies I go out

500
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: shed hunting with, those are always some of the best spots.

501
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: So if you have that kind of terrain out where

502
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: you can shed hunt, definitely hit any of those grassy strips,

503
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: any grassy fields or hillsides adjacent to food food plots

504
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: or crop fields or anything that's another hot spot. I

505
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: would definitely check out um because it just seems like

506
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: they love kind of you know, betting there maybe in

507
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: between while they're feeding or just before, just after, etcetera. Um,

508
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: it's hard to beat those strips. Those are always some

509
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: of the things that I when you see it, you

510
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: just want to get there right and in these strips

511
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: or not. It doesn't even have to necessarily be in

512
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: a strip, but this time of year, the soil is

513
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: starting to warm up and some of these plants or

514
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: grasses are starting to bud out right and they're starting

515
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: to grow again, and that little bit of green, these

516
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: deer are eating right, and so any if if I

517
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: could find those places in which I feel I did

518
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: in this in these buffer strips, this brand new grass

519
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: coming up, and they're eating, they're spending a good time.

520
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Because every almost every one of the sheds I found

521
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: was in a beat down like patch of grass right

522
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: with like deer poop all over it. And that tells

523
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: me that there is a lot of animals beating that

524
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: grass down, and you know, that's just a great place

525
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: to look for him. Yeah. I feel like when you

526
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: see that kind of sign to that is always like

527
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: a huge flashing yellow light that says slow down, focus,

528
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, look all around. Lots of times when I

529
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: get into a spot like that, I like to walk,

530
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, ten fifteen yards to stop into a slow

531
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: like degree spin and just look at the whole area.

532
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Because it's really easy to just walk past sheds too.

533
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: Especially you know if you don't frome every angle, lots

534
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: of time to shed, even a big shed, could you know,

535
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: you can miss it behind a log or behind a

536
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: clump of grass. Um. So it's good to every once

537
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: in a while look behind you look at things from

538
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: a different perspective. I've always found that helpful. Um. So

539
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: you mentioned the grassy strips. We talked about the crop fields.

540
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: Of course, trying to understand what those crop fields are

541
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: the deer feeding and now and lots of times that's

542
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, cut corn field that might have waste grain.

543
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, a bean field might have some waste

544
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: grain that's still left over maybe. And of course if

545
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: you have a standing crop field, that's even better. Um.

546
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: Lots of times winter wheat, at least by us can

547
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: be getting hit hard really right now, and that's another

548
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: thing to look for. Um, My clover food plot on

549
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: my Michigan property is actually getting slammed right now. UM.

550
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: So that you know, I think a lot of this

551
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: comes down to checking food sources. And finding out where

552
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: that hotspot is and then knowing, Okay, I need to

553
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: focus my efforts around this. UM now for betting areas

554
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: other than the grassy stuff you talked about, see RP

555
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: buffer strips, things like that. UM. And we mentioned already

556
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: the south facing hillsides that warm up faster, they get

557
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: melted snow faster, they catch more sunlight, and those are

558
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: key things to look for. Another thing I like to

559
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: look for is thermal cover, So like evergreens, conifers, pine

560
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: trees that are going to hold in some heat. Lots

561
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: of times that's gonna be somewhere the bucks like to bed,

562
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: or deer in general like to bed during the winter. UM.

563
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: That's where I found holy Field shed in a little

564
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: stand of pine trees. UM. So that's another thing, like

565
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: kean On, whenever I see like clumps of cedar trees,

566
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm always checking underneath those because that just seems to

567
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: be another spot that lots of times of buckle bed

568
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: next to an isolated cedar tree and some brush and

569
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: he gets a little out of protection. UM. And you

570
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier are Iowa shed hunting trip that I went

571
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: on with you when I fell in the river. UM.

572
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: That was an example of finding a buck bedding area

573
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: out on the points off of ridges, right. Um. That's

574
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: another place I check often is when you get these

575
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: spur ridges that come off lots of times you get

576
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: a buck that might bet off on the end of

577
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: one of those knobs. And that's where I found the

578
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon ship was a big knob coming off of

579
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: a main ridge. Um So I always check those, um

580
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: in watery like wet land type stuff when I'm looking

581
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: for betting. If you've got like a marsh land that's

582
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: next to one of those fields that we talked about,

583
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: if you can find those high spots in the marshy area, again,

584
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: that's a spot of buck my bed that you might

585
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: be able to find something. Um So, those as I'm trying,

586
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: as i'm speaking this all out, those are the main

587
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: types of places that I look for as far as

588
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: winter betting. And then of course like any really really

589
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: thick brushy stuff you know, generic betting cover um like

590
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: autumn olive or different things around here in Michigan that

591
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: I look for. The deer find that just extra tight,

592
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: really thick, high stem count type cover. Those places can

593
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: hold sheds too, So so that's that's what I focus on.

594
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: I focused on those types of betting areas, those types

595
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: of food sources, and I scour them. Um, this time

596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: of year is about as good as it gets. Um,

597
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: is there anything we missed as far as specific locations,

598
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean we we haven't talked through every single little

599
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: different place, but as far as the very most important things,

600
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that kind of covers the very most

601
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: important locations right right. And to be honest with you,

602
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I've never I don't think I can remember a time

603
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: that I have found a a shed in what you

604
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: would consider what you just described as a cedar thicket.

605
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: For me, anyway, you haven't. I have not know a

606
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: majority of my sheds have been found, like you said,

607
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: on either the ridge like a like a I don't know,

608
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: a ridge leading to a food source, let's say, like

609
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: a transition area just like you if you were hunting right,

610
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: you would be down one third of the way and

611
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: there'd be a trail that would be on there, and

612
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I found my sheds there. I found my sheds at

613
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: the points like you described. I found my UM sheds

614
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: a lot in the on edges, right. We all we

615
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: all talked about how edge is good habitat for deer,

616
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: like we're timber meats c RP and they're walking that edge.

617
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: Um a lot, a lot there A couple of times

618
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: I guess on French crossings, but that's not guaranteed, right,

619
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: So but never for me personally, never really in that

620
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: that quote unquote thermal cover. But you know it could

621
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: be just by circumstance, you know, Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely

622
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: been one of the places that I've found found some

623
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: but um, you know, there's no guarantees, that's for sure.

624
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: I've walked into plenty of spots like that thinking oh,

625
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: for sure, there's got to be a shed there, and

626
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: then they never find anything. Um. But now a couple

627
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: other quick tips for shed hunting in our quick kind

628
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: of cliff notes review of shed hunting here. Um, I

629
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: think of cour it is one of the very most

630
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: important things is just putting a lot of miles on

631
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: your boots. Like it is a numbers game. You're not

632
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: going to find a lot of sheds unless you walk

633
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: a lot of miles. Because even if you're in the

634
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: even if you're in the very best property and all

635
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: of Iowa, you still gotta walk a lot of ground

636
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: to find them usually, So you gotta put in the

637
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: work if you want to find a lot of antlers.

638
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: And then probably the most important thing, in my opinion,

639
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: other than being somewhere there's antlers and walking a lot,

640
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: is staying focused and having a good attitude. It's it's

641
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: really easy and I'm guilty of this too, that you

642
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: can go shed hunting and get the sky high, sky

643
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: high expectations and you start walking and an hour past

644
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: is you haven't seen anything, Two hours past you haven't

645
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: found anything, four hours, five hours, six hours, seven hours,

646
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: You walk and walk and walk, and you don't find anything.

647
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: And it is really easy to get bummed out, to

648
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: get tired, to get frustrated, and some people get frustrated

649
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: or at the get go. And I think if you

650
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: fall into that trap, if you get too frustrated, if

651
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: you start to get bummed out, that leads to a

652
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: lack of focus. And as soon as you lose your focus,

653
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you start losing on opportunities to find antlers. Because if

654
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: you want to find sheds, you have to stay focused

655
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: on looking for them. They're not just gonna pop out

656
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: in front of you and have a flashing light that

657
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: says I'm right here, pick me up. You need to

658
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: really be focused, constantly scanning, constantly thinking about what you're

659
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: looking for, um, because they're easy to miss. And if

660
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: you get all bummed out and frustrated it always, I

661
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: mean it happens to me. I sometimes get frustrated and

662
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: I know that I lose my focus. I'm not paying

663
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: as much attention. I start looking at my phone, I

664
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: start thinking about dinner, or I start whatever, and that's

665
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: when you miss your opportunities. So try to stay focused,

666
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: try to have that good attitude. And I try to

667
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: tell myself more and more now going into a day

668
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: of shed hunting, to just from the get go, look

669
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: at this is like, here's an opportunity to have a

670
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: nice walk in the woods. Like I'm gonna enjoy the day.

671
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy looking for antlers. But I'm trying to

672
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: always keep my expectations low. Because I would keep my

673
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: expectations low. I find myself just having a better time

674
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: because I'm not bummed out that I didn't find anything.

675
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: You know, right, absolutely, man, it makes a lot of sense.

676
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: So that's that's I think important. And if you have

677
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: if you have the time, you know, like I'm looking

678
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: at a map right now, the property that I have

679
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: permission to hunt. It's big, right so realistically getting through

680
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: it in one day would be impossible. And I know

681
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: that there's time constraints. But if you can break it

682
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: down into multiple shed hunts over a certain period of time,

683
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: I think you're not only will your mindset be better,

684
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: but he'll probably find more sheds as well. Yep. I

685
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: think that's smart, and that that applies to scouting the

686
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: property too. Um breaking things down. That was one of

687
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: the things I had to think about yesterday, because this

688
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: property is pretty big. I was it's easy to get

689
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by it and just start walking willy nilly. But

690
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: instead I decided that I was going to break it

691
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: up into little section and then just think about, Okay,

692
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: on this, you know, eighty acre section, what are the

693
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: main features that are important here? And focusing on those

694
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: main pieces just within that eighty acres. Okay, this is

695
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: where the best food is, this is where the best

696
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: betting is. This seems to be how they're transitioning. And

697
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: then you move over to the next hundred acre piece

698
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: or eight acre piece, you do the same thing, and

699
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: then you can kind of like understand each one of

700
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: these parcels as an as an individual piece. And then

701
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: once you've done all that, once you've identified the key areas,

702
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: and then you can look at the bigger picture and

703
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: start putting them all together. Um. But that seems to

704
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: be for me at least, an easier way of kind

705
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: of wrapping your head around a new a new area,

706
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: whether it be a big piece of public land or

707
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: a new private farm or whatever it might be. And

708
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: I think, like you said that that works a lot

709
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to sheds too. Um, you gotta scream

710
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: baby behind you here. Yeah, my mom's in there taking

711
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: care of it. So I'm good at ignoring that stuff. Um, alright,

712
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: any other final things we got to add and then

713
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: are kind of annual cliff notes shed hunting review here,

714
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: and I just bring toilet paper. Yeah, that's true. That's

715
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: all I gotta say. Bring. And speaking of other things

716
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: to bring, uh, good boots. I mean there's nothing that

717
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: can bear yeah, binoculars, um snacks and water. You know,

718
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: that's another good way to revive your attitude and your

719
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: focus is take a break for some water, for some

720
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: food that can get you going again. Buddy, I like

721
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: shed hunting by myself when I like on that field

722
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: right that day. That would have sucked if I had

723
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: to share those sheds with some with somebody. But you know,

724
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: on some of these bigger walks and like the timber

725
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: and stuff, it's almost impossible to cover it by yourself.

726
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: And it's just fun going with a group of people

727
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: sharing that experience, and it's a great foot in the

728
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: door for new hunters. Yeah, no, that's a that's a

729
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: good point and great when it gets your family involves, right,

730
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: that's right. So that's our that's our ederrelly review of

731
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: shed hunting advice for the year. I guess, um, if

732
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: you don't have anything else, Dan, I'm gonna say we

733
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: wrap up this portion and then get Jeremy Moore in

734
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: here to talk about dogs a little bit, cover a

735
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: few more things. Um, he's got some more shed hunting

736
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: advice to given how much time he spends out there

737
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: in the woods. And by the time this is all

738
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: said and done, for anyone who wasn't already ready, they

739
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: definitely should be ready for the next upcoming weaker or

740
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: weeks of shed hunting in come. Before that, though, real quick,

741
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: let's take a break for our Sitka Gear Story of

742
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: the Day. For this week's story, we're joined by Chase Reatherford,

743
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: who tells us about ending a seven year drought. I

744
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: haven't been able to hunt the past five years because

745
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: I've been filming and shooting other hunters out in the field,

746
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: um it being my job and for and it's been

747
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: seven years since I actually got to drawback and actually

748
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: shoot a deer. So this year all the stars aligne

749
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: I found I had some time to get out and hunt.

750
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: Um it. I sat probably four days and had plenty

751
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: of bucks and does walking under my tree. UM. I

752
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: remained undetected by playing the wind on October at a

753
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: small button buck that came in, which she always came

754
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: in every day, and he always seemed to get bumped

755
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: out by other dear um A couple of minutes go

756
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: by and I noticed that he was getting nervous and

757
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: he was looking behind me. So I threw round and looked, sure,

758
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: now there's a big buck walking in with split browd times. UM.

759
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I quickly grabbed my bow, spun around the tree. Only

760
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: had a few seconds before he was gonna get out

761
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: of range, and I stopped him with a grunt and

762
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: let the arrow fly and I hit him and he

763
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: tried to take off, and he fell down the ravine

764
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: right below my tree, and within a few adrenaline rush seconds,

765
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: my seven year role was over on Chase's hunt. He

766
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: was wearing sikest Fanatic system. If you'd like to create

767
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: the sickest story of your own. To learn more about

768
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: technical hunting apparel, visit sitka gear dot com. Alright, and

769
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: we also want to thank our partners at White Tail Properties,

770
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: but instead of our usual white Tail Wisdoms segment with

771
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: a land specialist, I just want to make sure that

772
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: you understand what this whole shed Rally thing is that

773
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: we've been talking about, um each year for the past

774
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I think it's four years now, white Tail Properties has

775
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: been putting on and promoting this event essentially a digital

776
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: nationwide event encouraging everyone to get out together and go

777
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: shed hunting with your friends and families on a specific

778
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: day or a couple of days. That's what they're doing

779
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: again this year. It is this coming weekend, So if

780
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: you're listening to this when this podcast is first going out, um,

781
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: it's this weekend March ten and eleven, two th eighteen.

782
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: And here's the gist of how it works. On those days,

783
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: post creative photos or videos from your shed hunt on Instagram,

784
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Facebook or Twitter using the hashtag shed rally, so that

785
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: number sign, hashtag sign and then the word shed the

786
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: word rally. If you post that, you are then eligible

787
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: to not only you know, be part of this, you know,

788
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: great kind of slew of interesting photos and videos that

789
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: you can view on social media, but you're also eligible

790
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: for prizes from white Tail properties, Winchester Real Tree, Yetti, Lacrosse,

791
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Legendary white Tails, sent lock In dog Bones, so lots

792
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: of cool prizes, a great excuse to get out in

793
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the woods and what I enjoyed doing in past years

794
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: during shed Rally. If you're not familiar with this, you

795
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: can go on Instagram or Twitter and you can search

796
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: for hashtag. So search for the sched realy hashtag, click

797
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: that and then it will show everybody else's pictures that

798
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: have tagged it with that same hashtag. So you can

799
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: go and you can see all the pictures and videos

800
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: from the shed Relly weekend. That was just a lot

801
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: of fun for me in the past. Usually gives me

802
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of shed envy, but it's pretty cool, so

803
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys are participate. As you heard, me and

804
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: Dan are going to be out there in Iowa. It

805
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: should be a fun weekend. We're gonna be recording a

806
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: pod cast during the weekend. We're gonna do lots of Instagram,

807
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: lots of Facebook. Um, I'll be doing a video blog.

808
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: So expect a lot of interesting things coming out of

809
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: our sched rally trip. And uh hopefully you'll be getting

810
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: out there too. Good luck. And now let's get to

811
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: our interview, our second part of this podcast with Jeremy

812
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: Moore talking Antler Dogs. All right, we are back and

813
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: with me, we got we got rid of Dan and

814
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: now with me is a much better guest Jeremy More.

815
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back on the show. Jeremy, Yeah, you bet. Now,

816
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: don't put too much pressure on me More. Okay, well,

817
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: both you and Dan have pretty good beards, but um,

818
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: you rock a stormy crowm are better than I'm sure

819
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: Dan would. So you you've probably been right there. Bonus

820
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: points for that, my friend. So we had you on

821
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: the show a couple of years ago. Um, but you know,

822
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: for people who haven't heard that episode, and if if

823
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: they haven't, they should go back and listen to that one.

824
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: But if if they're new to who you are what

825
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: you do, can you just give us the quick the

826
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: quick store, the quick background on what is you do

827
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: these days related to dogs and deer and all that. Absolutely, yeah,

828
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: and and so first off, I really appreciate you having

829
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: me back. This is your podcast was actually probably one

830
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: of the very first ones I've ever done. So and

831
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: I get more people, I see more people, I bump

832
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: into more people that recognize and have you know, hey,

833
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I heard you on Mark's Wired Hunt podcast. So that

834
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: that I appreciate you having me back. And yeah, the

835
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: the you know, we have a small company UM called Dogbone.

836
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: It's one of our brands, and we basically have developed

837
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: training products UM built around the do it yourself dog trainers,

838
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: So someone who wants to train their own dog to

839
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: either shed. We were kind of our niche thing. Our

840
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: our specialty is UM shed training, so getting dogs prepared

841
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: for shed, you know, for for the spring and shed hunting.

842
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: And then we've you know, and I don't know, back

843
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: when we talked, it might have been like I know,

844
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: it was way early in the the idea of people

845
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: recognizing it. But we also have a line of products

846
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: for game recovery or tracking. So our our thing is

847
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: we kind of brand ourselves as products to products, and

848
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: it maybe more importantly information And that's something that's probably

849
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: shifted more in the last few years, is the stuff

850
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: and then how to use the stuff if you're interested

851
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: in training your dog. Is what we're kind of branding

852
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: as a deer dog or a dog that will shed

853
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: hunt in the spring and help us track in the fall. Yeah,

854
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of the dream dog for a guy like

855
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: me or YouTube. Totally, totally, And and that's just it.

856
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: The the person that is a avid like the person

857
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: who's an avid deer hunter. There's prior to this idea

858
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: of what we're doing. It was just it's hard to

859
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: connect the dogs to it. And I'm a big dog person.

860
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: I always have been, and I'm I I now have

861
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: great purpose and reason to put a lot of effort,

862
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: the same amount of effort I used to put into

863
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: my gun dogs and bird dogs, only it's gonna actually

864
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: help me with my dear stuff. So I think it's

865
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: just a perfect fit for for a lot of people.

866
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I gotta tell you, since we last talked,

867
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: and I think when we first started talking, a long

868
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: time ago was when I had just gotten my own dog, UM,

869
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: and I was trying to train him to become a

870
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: deer dog, trying to training to find sheds. And so

871
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: I had picked your brain way early, um about different ideas,

872
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: and I was trying different things, um. And at the

873
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: same time I had another friend who got a who

874
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: got a lab, and he started training his dog to

875
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: find nailers. And then around the same time, I had

876
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: another friend who got a dog that he was training

877
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: to recover deer. So I've got these two buddies. One

878
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: of them has a dog he's trained to find sheds,

879
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: one of them he's training to find blood. And then

880
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: there's me, who is trying to train my dog to

881
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: do anything. Now, you know, six five, six years later

882
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, I am in the unfortunate

883
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: position where my one buddy has a really really good

884
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: shed antler dog. She's great. My other buddy has a

885
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: really great tracking dog. She recovers dear like a champ. Sure,

886
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my dog and he won't do

887
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: either of them. Well, I'm glad you got good buddies, right, Yeah,

888
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: I have failed with my training, Jeremy, um So I'm

889
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: gonna ask some questions to try to understand where I

890
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: went wrong with all that. UM, it's it's been a

891
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: little depressing. I love my dog, he's great. UM. But

892
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: before we get into my specific failings, and it's probably

893
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: my failings, UM, can we get a quick review of

894
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: your high level training program when it comes out? How

895
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: do you teach a dog to findaniler's UM. Let's just

896
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: set that foundation and then we can dig into some

897
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: of the more specifics because I want to. I want

898
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: to cover the basics for people that are new to this,

899
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: but then also for our listeners who heard you last

900
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: time and who understand the basics, I want to talk

901
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: about some next level stuff too. So how do we

902
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: take a how do we take a train dog and

903
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: make him a great dog? Um? Or how do we

904
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: deal with challenges like what I've had to deal with? UM.

905
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my thoughts here, so foundations that

906
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: So first off, backing up, I want to give you,

907
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: uh pick me up to you to the first thing

908
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: that you said to me was you recognize that the

909
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: what happened with your dog is probably not the dog.

910
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: I think it's how you worried. It's probably something that

911
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: I've done. Okay, first off, that self awareness is really

912
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: important because the majority of trainers don't aren't willing either

913
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: don't or aren't willing to say that. And I and

914
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: so I commend you with it. And I think it's

915
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: something that we as handlers and trainers really have to understand.

916
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: Our dogs have are capable of. I don't. I can't

917
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: tell you. I can't name one dog that isn't capable

918
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: of more than what we as handlers are able to

919
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: get out of them. So that it's there, it's just

920
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: a matter of figuring out how to get it out

921
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: of them. That's the key. So so you, first off,

922
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: you recognize that. Now. Second off, so back more to

923
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: the point of this question, I think you what really

924
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: you had Towards the end of it, you had said,

925
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what makes a good dog a great dog?

926
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: And so I love I love that question because I

927
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: actually I use that. I mean, I use a line

928
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: like that a lot. So, first off, I'm big on

929
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: repetition and consistency forms habits like that's all dog training is.

930
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: And so what we really have to understand is when

931
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm i'm repetition, I'm and I'm consistent with a lot

932
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: of my stuff that I say when it comes to

933
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: training and what what really is super important is the

934
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: idea of we as trainers have to figure out how

935
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: to talk so that these dogs understand what we want.

936
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: And so what makes a good dog a great dog? Well,

937
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: my the way I tie that line in is mechanics

938
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: and technique are one thing, Like, that's that's nuts and

939
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: bolt stuff. That's mechanics. That's that's stuff that you know,

940
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: hold the lead the right way, set up drills a

941
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: certain way. Um Like, it's very mechanical, and it's very

942
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: high on on specifics of technique. The other part that

943
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: I think so that you can get a good dog

944
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: if you've got mechanics, you can, and mechanics are typically

945
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: what's talked about. Then there's the other end of the

946
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: spectrum that I think is equally as important in the

947
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: equation of training dogs, and that's the connection the field,

948
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: the trust that the dog and the handler have. Now,

949
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: if you don't know if you're picking up sounds around

950
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: me or not, but I've got like seven dogs in

951
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: this room with me right now, and they're all on

952
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: there on different places. I don't have enough beds from all.

953
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: So I've got some on beds, I've got someone the

954
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: matt in front of our stove. Um, so if you're

955
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: hearing stuff, that's what it is. But the feel and

956
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: the truck, like, I've got a dog right now in

957
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: front of me that I am literally looking at and

958
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm putting my hand up and this little dog is

959
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: looking at me and she's really wagging her tail because

960
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: she really thinks this is kind of fun. But just now,

961
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: how she just sat for me. So I didn't have

962
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: to go, hey, spry, sit down. I didn't have to now.

963
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: Early on, mechanically, there's parts of training where I would say, okay,

964
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: time this physical thing with this verbal queue and get

965
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: this reaction out of the dog, and then praise they

966
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: do it right, praise they don't do it right, we

967
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: give them correction of some sort. So the reality is

968
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: that the dogs don't understand what what what we want,

969
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: and so what we need to do is figure out

970
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: a how to communicate it to them. Be when they

971
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: do it, we need to have them understand that's what

972
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: we want them to do. And then when they don't

973
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: do something right, we have to understand how to use

974
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: that to create a situation of a win. And so

975
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: now you're talking like a little bit more than you

976
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: know when we talked. Last time we talked, I think

977
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: we talked about some drills, and we talked about some

978
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: concept general generalized concepts of shed hunting. You know, they

979
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: cover a lot of ground, and they use their nose,

980
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: they use their eyes. All of that stuff makes sense

981
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: and and the idea of you know, I'm probably getting

982
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: ahead of myself on this, but you had mentioned, you know,

983
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: for anyone someone who's listening right now and goes, I

984
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: don't know a ton of stuff about this. So the

985
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: basics are here here. It is like really in a nutshell,

986
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: training dogs to shed hunt is very simple, Like it

987
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: is not complicated. And I can say that about just

988
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: about anything, whether it's sheds, gun dog, upland it doesn't matter.

989
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: Foundation has to be there first. And the foundation is

990
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: the is the basic stuff that we build off of.

991
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: I can't do advanced drills without dogs that know how

992
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: to do very very fundamental things. And I say that's

993
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: very simple for heels, sit, stay, come when I call you.

994
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: So like with some of the struggles that you might

995
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: be having with your dog, I bet you if we

996
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: got into them, and maybe we will here. I bet

997
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: you we can almost always circle it back to it's

998
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: probably a foundation issue, and so we plug that hole

999
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: first and then we build off of it. So but

1000
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, mechanics covers a lot of

1001
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: the foundation. But the connection, the feel, and the trust

1002
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: part of it is the part that a lot of

1003
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: people don't talk about. And I think it's that's the

1004
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: part that I believe takes good dogs to great dogs,

1005
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: because you can have good dogs with either. I've seen

1006
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: some people that have dogs that are um genetically probably

1007
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: we have no idea where they come from, Like we

1008
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: just don't know that we don't know. But a great

1009
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: case in point is I've seen so many rescue dogs

1010
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: that have turned into tremendous dogs in the field and

1011
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: in the house, and a lot of the times people

1012
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: will come to our workshops and they might have a

1013
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: dog like that and they really have no formal training

1014
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: as a trainer, but I can see immediately they have

1015
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: excellent feel and they have great connection. They probably have

1016
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: pretty good timing. I think timing is something that's overlooked

1017
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: a lot in training. But they might have all that stuff,

1018
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: they just don't know how to do the the actual

1019
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: technique stuff to create a really nice dog out of it.

1020
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: So the balance between field trust connection that takes time,

1021
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: that takes some stuff that you can do through drills,

1022
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: but you combine that with mechanics and technique, that's how

1023
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: you're really gonna get great dogs. Yeah, and I feel

1024
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: like that that's probably where a lot of that secret

1025
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: sauces is understanding how to how to establish those things,

1026
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: and that's that might be partially where my mistakes have coming.

1027
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, So what about this, Jeremy. Can

1028
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: I explain to you what I have done so far,

1029
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: like how I tried to train my dog, and then

1030
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: I'll describe to you that the issues I'm having, and

1031
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: then can you try to diagnose where my mistakes were

1032
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: or what what? What's the issue? What could be done? Yes? Okay,

1033
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: So when I got my dog boon or booner Um

1034
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: from a young age, I knew I wanted to try

1035
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: to train him to find shed. So I started him

1036
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: out with the with the dog bone um soft antler

1037
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: and also you know, playing with that, just developing like

1038
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: a fun fetch type game with him. There. Eventually also

1039
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: had little tiny sheds that he chewed on and and

1040
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: you know just came to like I wanted to establish

1041
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: that just a positive association between the antler. UM. Then

1042
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: I moved on to the next thing where I would

1043
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: develop a fetch. You know, he he learned to retrieve

1044
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: antlers for me in the house. UM, and I would

1045
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, he'd get bring me the antler, I praise him,

1046
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: give him lots of love, etcetera, etcetera. The next thing

1047
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I did was then we started doing like Hyde and

1048
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: seek with the antlers in the house. So we've been

1049
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: playing with it and then I go hide it somewhere,

1050
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: he'd go find it, bring it back, praise him. Um.

1051
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: The next step I started taking that outside, so playing

1052
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: the same heyd and seek game, but just in the yard. Um.

1053
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: And he did really good at all these things. Um.

1054
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: Eventually then and now he's I don't know this, maybe

1055
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: he was a year old or somewhere around there. UM

1056
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: started doing some more advanced stuff. And this is kind

1057
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: of the I continue doing this every year. UM. Where

1058
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: I started taking the height and seek but into the woods.

1059
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: So I would go, I take a group of antlers,

1060
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: taking like a backpack full of antlers, maybe four or

1061
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: five antlers, and I go plant them out in a

1062
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: corn field in the woods, in a grassy field. I'd

1063
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: have my dog inside the house and then i'd come back.

1064
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: I'd get the dog, take him out to the property

1065
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: and then we go shed hunting. And you know, after

1066
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, slowly working him up to that, he got

1067
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: really good at it. So that's kind of where I've

1068
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: gotten now. I've I've done that same basic kind of

1069
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: training where every year in the winter we start and

1070
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: we go out and we do this, and he can

1071
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: find those antlers really well, and he gets pumped. He

1072
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: loves antlers. He knows like when I pick up an

1073
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: antler off the table in my man cave or anything like,

1074
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: when he sees me playing with antlers, he gets really

1075
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: fired up. So he has like a positive connection with antlers.

1076
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: And when we go out in the woods and I've

1077
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: on a training mission, he snatches him up. He he

1078
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: will go out there. He usually can catch that scent

1079
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: and he knows to go find him and he gets

1080
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: a kick out of it. And he seems to do

1081
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: pretty darn well when training. Yep. The issue comes when

1082
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: I go out in the woods when I haven't planted sheds. Yep,

1083
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I get. I get a couple of things happen. Number one,

1084
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: it seems that he doesn't keep that focus level. Like

1085
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: he'll be charging around looking smelling for a while, but

1086
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: after I don't know, an hour or something, he slows down.

1087
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: And he's in a good shape. We do a lot

1088
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: of active stuff, so it's not like it's physically not

1089
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: in shape. But he seems to lose focus. He just

1090
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: seems to eat a lot of deer crap. He just

1091
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: runs around from brother. Yeah, he goes from pilot deer

1092
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: crap to pilot deer crap and um. And he doesn't

1093
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 1: find sheds. He does not find real sheds. I've had,

1094
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: I've had, I've found I've found sheds myself and wait

1095
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: for him and he'll sometimes he'll go up and sniff him. Um.

1096
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes he'll pick him up. Sometimes he won't. But I've

1097
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: I've yet to have him have a real find. Now.

1098
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I will say that I am in a not a

1099
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: very shed rich environment in Michigan, so there's not a

1100
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: ton of them out there. Anyways. I've taken him to

1101
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: Iowa twice. Um, and he he didn't he didn't latch

1102
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: onto it. So now we just shed hunting here in Michigan,

1103
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: and a few times when we do find an antler,

1104
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: it's usually me. It's always me who finds it, and

1105
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: he shows little to no actual um, what's the word

1106
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. He's not working with the real sheds

1107
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: the way he does with the training sheds. And that's

1108
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: where I'm at. Now, I've I've lost, I've lost, I've

1109
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: lost some enthusiasm and faith in it. Sure, yeah, he know,

1110
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: he knows it. I can hear it in your voice,

1111
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: Mark when you explain it like and I and I

1112
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: say that I'm not joking, Like I can hear your frustration.

1113
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: And I believe this is like good dog trainers are

1114
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: able to read the situation. Dogs read us better than

1115
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: we can read them. We have to figure out how

1116
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: to read them. So I have gotten better and better

1117
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: and better over the years at reading situations. And that

1118
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: transfers from dogs to people to everything else. And so

1119
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: I literally feel like I have developed a knack for

1120
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: reading emails. Now. I know emails are slippery, like a

1121
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: message can be read totally two different ways, the same words,

1122
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: but we can perceive it differently. So I understand that

1123
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: you have to take that with a grain salt. But

1124
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: I can read. I feel like I can read emails

1125
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: and and sense tone frustration, anger, excitement, happiness. I can

1126
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: get that out of reading people's emails. You've got to

1127
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: read a lot of them, like I get a lot

1128
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: of I get a lot of messages and and and

1129
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: so your story right now is like you're not the

1130
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: first person who had this feeling and had this experience.

1131
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: So but so I'll tackle it a little bit first off,

1132
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: like you just said it the very end, and it's keywords.

1133
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: It's just picking up on keywords. One of your words.

1134
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: You know, you've lost a little momentum with it, You've

1135
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: lost a little bit of excitement with it. You I

1136
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: can hear that in your voice. And you're just simply

1137
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: telling me that, like a long time after it actually happened. So, now,

1138
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: if I know humans and I know anything about because

1139
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: I've been there before, put yourself back into the last

1140
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: position you were. Now, how old is boone? He's six now, okay,

1141
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: And what what would you say the majority? So I'm

1142
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna start asking you some questions. What would you say

1143
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: the majority of the time frame was when this was

1144
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 1: happening like you probably maybe put this is what I'm

1145
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: making an assumption, but you probably put a lot of

1146
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: effort in early on. We're excited about it, gained momentum,

1147
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: it was things are going good. You started to shed hunt.

1148
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: It didn't go that well. You said, that's okay, I

1149
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: know he's young. I'm gonna put a little more time

1150
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: into it. You continue to do that. You had a

1151
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: few more opportunities and a few more experiences, things didn't

1152
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: go well. You lost momentum and said, I just don't

1153
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm obviously doing something wrong, but I've got a lot

1154
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: of other things on my on my plate, and I've

1155
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: got a lot of other things going on, and it

1156
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: just kind of slowly went back burner a little bit,

1157
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: back burner, a little bit, back burner a little bit,

1158
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: and then maybe to the point where you went, you know,

1159
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: the hell with it. I'll just take him for a

1160
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: walk with me, and so be it. That is true.

1161
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: And this was the first year every year since I've

1162
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: had him, every year, and like exactly like you said,

1163
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: I had tons of momentum, was working really hard with

1164
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: it earlier, and then I started like taking him out

1165
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: in the field and he wasn't finding anything or that.

1166
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: I took him to Iowa and we found sheds and

1167
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: he just ignored him almost and that was really frustrating,

1168
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: even though he would pick him up when we were

1169
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: at home and all these things. So so yes, it

1170
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: slowly went downhill. And every year, though still starting like

1171
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: the day after deer season usually once I'm not worried about,

1172
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, hunting these deer, I would still go out

1173
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: and train with him. And this year, this year is

1174
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: the first year I said screw it. I didn't even

1175
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: do any training within this year, I took him out

1176
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: for a walk. I found a shed. He he got

1177
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: a kick out of it once I picked it up

1178
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: and gave it to him. Um. But I was like

1179
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: I was this year, I'm frustrated, and I'm like, he's

1180
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: six years old. He just he's not into it, um

1181
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: and he just so Here's so here's the thing like dogs,

1182
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: when we go through a process of training a dog,

1183
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: I talk about it. I've talked about it recently. We

1184
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: did some stuff. We're doing some stuff right now for

1185
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: Shed Rally. We're doing this road to the rally where

1186
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: we've done these live training things and we've talked about

1187
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: building up to this coming weekend, and so one of

1188
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: the things I talked about was the importance of and

1189
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: in the in the process of when dogs get stuff

1190
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: like we work with them. I was working with a

1191
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: group today at a at a place actually in Michigan,

1192
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: a store that I do this training with called Mighty Pet.

1193
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: We're doing this project Mighty Pet. We're working with these dogs.

1194
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: It's not hunting related. But one of the things that

1195
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: we talked about today was the same thing I talked

1196
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: about last night on the shed rally thing, which is

1197
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: the same thing I talked about this past weekend at

1198
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: Best Pro Shops, which is the same thing I talked

1199
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: about last weekend at Cabela's. So it's a really repetitive thing,

1200
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: and it's a tone that you hear from me a lot.

1201
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: Is the idea of when we're training dogs, we're putting

1202
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: stuff into them, we're getting a behavior. We do it

1203
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: so many times to form a habit, and then it

1204
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: almost it's like it clicks, like the light bulb goes on.

1205
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: I had a girl send me a picture a video

1206
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: today of her dogs first find and relatively young dog

1207
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: and the dog had had it was in a hayfield

1208
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder could have found it. I mean it was

1209
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: laying in the middle of the hayfield. It wasn't it

1210
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: wasn't hidden, but it was an opportunity. And she actually

1211
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: got the shed because someone sent her a message that

1212
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: they found it in the field and they knew she

1213
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: had a dog and they wanted to give her an opportunity.

1214
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: She brought the dog out and the dog actually got

1215
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 1: ran past it, like stepped over it, definitely caught wind

1216
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: of it, circle back, picked it up, and she went.

1217
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 1: She treated the dog. I could save the world, which

1218
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: is exactly what you want to do. Now that's one like,

1219
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: that's one chance. When we do things with dogs bird hunting,

1220
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: for example, So if you take a dog and you

1221
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: prepare it for for to be an upland dog, the

1222
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: beauty of upland dog training is we incrementally get them

1223
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: to birds. Like we we start out with a balled

1224
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: up sock. We go to a canvas bumper, We taped

1225
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: some wings that we had and sent cold game, fresh

1226
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: kild game, live pitches. Take a bunch of steps before

1227
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 1: my dogs ever see birds. And we do it over

1228
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: the process of a year plus Like it takes a

1229
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: while I'm not. I don't rush anything with dogs because

1230
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't think dogs can be spent speed trained. So

1231
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: things just take. They take as long as they take.

1232
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: So I go through this process with these dogs to

1233
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: get them ready for birds. Then prior to doing that,

1234
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: I like to go if I'm not if I'm gonna

1235
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: go out to South Dakota for pheasant hunt, I'm gonna

1236
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: go to a game farm, and I'm gonna spend some

1237
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: time at game farms, and I'm gonna have a few

1238
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: birds out. It's gonna be very controlled. I'm gonna know where.

1239
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure we have some success. We're gonna

1240
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: simulate a hunt as best we can. That's the value

1241
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: of a game farm. But my dogs, before I take

1242
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: it to South Dakota for the first time, or before

1243
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: I take it to North Dakota and we haven't a

1244
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: blind and opening morning opens up of a duck season,

1245
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: my dog is gonna have seen and done a lot

1246
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: of things that are extremely close to the real thing.

1247
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: And so we prepare them. Like gun dog guys, bird

1248
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: dog guys. We know we gotta do that. The guys

1249
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: that go out there and go I hope my dog

1250
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: turns into a bird dog and they take him with

1251
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: the first time. It's a coin flip whether or not

1252
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: the dog is gonna make it, and if he does

1253
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: make it, it's because genetics, like we didn't prepare him

1254
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: with the training, but the dog just has enough in

1255
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: it and we've lucked out in the situations to get

1256
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: that gun dog or bird dog. Now with your shed training.

1257
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: So let's back up. So that's a big picture philosophy idea.

1258
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: We back up and we look at what exactly. I'll

1259
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: break down exactly what you said to me. So you

1260
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: started out in the house. You got this game mastered

1261
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: in the house. The dog understands that you know the

1262
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: shape and the starts to understand the smell of something

1263
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: like that is going to equal. Dad gets pretty happy.

1264
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: I get a reward, retrieves it. You know, the retrieve

1265
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: is the reward. My dogs don't get treats for retrieves.

1266
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: The retrieve is the treat. And I praise him to

1267
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: confirm it. So dog gets to understand that the little

1268
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: retrieve makes sense. Well, then you said you from there

1269
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: you went what you say, did you go from the

1270
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: air to the yard. Then start playing in the yard

1271
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: like that and you had some success with that, right

1272
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: found it back to you. It was a nice little game.

1273
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: It was a really nice step in transfer from your

1274
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: house because you added some distractions, but not overwhelming. Like

1275
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: your dog already knows the backyard. Your dog already knows

1276
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: the art whether you're shed hunting or training for shed

1277
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: hunt or not. So you got a dog that's pretty

1278
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: stable and pretty comfortable in an environment. Location is important

1279
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: to dogs like that influences behavior. So you transferred a

1280
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: game to a little bit different location with a little

1281
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: bit more distraction, and you found success in it, and

1282
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: that bet you the third, fourth, tenth, fifteenth time was

1283
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: better than the first, second, third, like it just they

1284
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: start to figure it out from there. It sounded like

1285
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: you went to hiding it in some timber, really simulating

1286
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: um more realistic shed hunting conditions. Does that sound right? Okay?

1287
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: So you went and you did that, and you said,

1288
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: I think you said you put a backpack full of

1289
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: vantlers out. You went and put them out, took the

1290
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: dog out and put them on it. Dog did well, right.

1291
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: Let me ask let me ask you this, how big

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01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: of an area and how long were those sessions? How

1293
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: long did it take to do those sessions, because really

1294
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: I train in small incremental sessions like short I think short,

1295
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: short sweets how they learned stuff. So how long was

1296
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: were those? What did a session like that look like?

1297
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: So a session like that would be you know, I

1298
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: get up in the morning, I'd keep him in the house,

1299
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: I go out with the antlers. I drop him out

1300
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: over the maybe a size of I mean maybe five

1301
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: antlers in a ten to fifteen acre area maybe, um,

1302
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: and then maybe even maybe the last maybe ten acres,

1303
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: five ten acres. I'm trying to vision what I've got

1304
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: this field. Yeah, and five acres is big. I mean

1305
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: five acres is a pretty nice I mean, that's a

1306
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: pretty nice nice field. So there's a field and then

1307
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: some tall grass and a chunk of timber that I've

1308
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of that's easy to get to for me. And

1309
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: then Wade we get out there, and man, he'd be

1310
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: so fired up because he knew what was going on.

1311
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: So he'd be in the house and when he sees

1312
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: me walk out of the house with some antlers or

1313
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: something like that, he's at the door jumping, just so excited,

1314
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: wants to be with me. Um. So then I come

1315
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: back to the house, I let him out, and I'm like,

1316
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: all right, get the bone, get the bone, and he

1317
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: just goes tearing out there, just on fire. And you know,

1318
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: over the course of an hour or something like that,

1319
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: he he'd or less. I mean, sometimes he would just

1320
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: bomb out there and find them all quick. But one

1321
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: of the things I think that was happening I started

1322
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,799
Speaker 1: picking up is you would see him following my trail,

1323
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: so he'd followed my footsteps, and so that was one

1324
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: not dumb, No, they're not dumb. So I tried to

1325
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: like throw the antlers far off from the distance, so

1326
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 1: at least there'll be like a fifty yard difference between

1327
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: where I was at. Um. Sometimes I tried driving out

1328
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: in the quad and dropping him that way, but but

1329
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: I still came back to he must be focusing more

1330
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 1: on the me smell and less of the dear smell.

1331
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: So everybody thinks. That's what everybody thinks is I think

1332
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: they I think he picks him up because my scent

1333
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: is on him, or he understands that these are the

1334
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: antlers that we trained with and it's the other antlers

1335
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: that he doesn't like. That's that's human nature, and that's

1336
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: human that's the way a human would analyze that situation.

1337
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: Here's my thought on it, Like is that part of it? Yeah, potentially,

1338
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: really really great potential of it. But there's a way

1339
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: more to it. Because here's the beauty of these dogs

1340
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: when they smell, because do they smell? Other sense, your sense,

1341
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: whatever else is on it. Yeah, they do. And I

1342
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: credit them because they're brilliant with their nose. Like for

1343
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: them to be able to track shows me he's super efficient.

1344
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: Why waste time looking where there where? He knows there's

1345
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: not going to be anything like he's looking for, he's following.

1346
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: He knows what how to get these things quickly. And

1347
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: so like you said, you got a five you got

1348
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: maybe a five acre field that over the course of

1349
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: probably pretty quick. Like I think about it, and I

1350
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: don't compete with dogs. I don't. I don't. I don't

1351
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: compete with dogs. I have no interest in it. I

1352
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: think you have to train to do things differently as

1353
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: opposed to hunting in order to do well in typical competitions,

1354
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: whether it be shed uh, field trials, doesn't matter. The

1355
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: skill sets are different for that which is judged, and

1356
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: if you want to do well, you have to train

1357
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: for it. But what I see, like i've seen, I've

1358
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: seen these types of events, winners, finish winners find I

1359
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: don't know how many sheds ten or twelve or I'm

1360
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: not sure the number a bunch in a matter of

1361
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: two minutes or less. Like they it's it's a friend.

1362
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: So what we we in order to in order to

1363
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: do well, you have to train to be a sprinter.

1364
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: And so your situation, now, that's your situation is more

1365
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: similar to that where you've got a five acre piece

1366
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: where there's five sheds or or more maybe, and your

1367
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: dog is finding him really quickly, and he's finding them

1368
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: by following a lot of clues, and he's just he's

1369
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: just a big problem solver. He's taking these pieces of

1370
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: the puzzle pudding together and going here, Dad, here, Dad, here, Dad,

1371
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: her Dad here, dad, and and and you're going, yes,

1372
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,839
Speaker 1: like this is awesome, let's go shed hunting. Now. The difference,

1373
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: and this goes back to what your story was was

1374
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: you had said in the beginning when you told me

1375
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: about your some of your first training, your your first

1376
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: actual shed hunts. You go out and after about an hour,

1377
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: you said, he started to really lose his interest. You

1378
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: just kind of started to fade. Not surprising, like think

1379
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: about how he was trained. If he's not finding it

1380
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: in the first ten fifteen minutes, it's done like you've

1381
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: done at that time. So we've created a dog that

1382
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: is understands like I have dogs. I see dogs make

1383
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: retrieves for people, and they basically run a certain distance,

1384
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: like and it's literally within feet, like they run a

1385
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: certain distance from the owner, and then they start to

1386
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: look forth things and so. And one of the problems

1387
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: that people have is I can't get my dog to

1388
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: work out beyond it. He's just got like this invisible barrier,

1389
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: like he can't get past there. He just wants to

1390
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: always look at a certain distance. And I ask people,

1391
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: I say, stand still for a second, about how far

1392
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: is that? And they'll tell me off thirty to forty

1393
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: yards probably, and I'll say, okay, take this, take this

1394
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: antler and throw it as far as you can. And

1395
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: they throw it and it lands miraculously thirty thirty forty

1396
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: yards away. So it's what what the dog has done

1397
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: is the dog is memorized like there's only so much

1398
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: distance before I have to start looking, because that's where

1399
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: it lands. Almost every single time in training, and that

1400
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: becomes a thing that I think, memorize the steps it

1401
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: takes to get out there. How many steps does it

1402
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: take before I better start looking. They're so smart and

1403
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: they're so efficient. So with training, I really believe that

1404
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: we have to train the way we hunt instead of

1405
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: training the way we would maybe compete. Now, if you

1406
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: want to compete, I would recommend doing that. If you

1407
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: want to do trials, I recommend doing that. If you

1408
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: want to hunt, I recommend preparing the dog for the hunt.

1409
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: And the idea that he fades after an hour is

1410
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: not surprising. An hour is a long time for a

1411
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: dog to focus, like an hour is a long time,

1412
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: a long time for an adult to focus. So to

1413
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: ask a dog to maintain focus, especially if they're not

1414
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: finding anything and they're used to finding things, hell, i'd

1415
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,919
Speaker 1: check out too, because I'd go what, No, I'm not interested.

1416
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: So there's things that I think we can do in

1417
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: training that prepare us for that. And that means the

1418
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: training doesn't doesn't take place over a ten to fifteen

1419
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: minute period. Now that's training skill sets. Then you transfer

1420
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: skill sets to transitional training for the field. So I

1421
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't hide I rarely hide antlers for dogs.

1422
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't do it, and I think people go, that

1423
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's hide and seek. You have to go

1424
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: hide these things and then go let the dog work

1425
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: in area and find them. But I think you get

1426
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: a dog that figures that game out, but they don't

1427
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: understand shed honey. I want This is what I want

1428
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: out of a dog. I want dogs to pick antlers

1429
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: up every time they see or smell them and are

1430
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: on on a hunt. And when I say on a hunt,

1431
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean they're out quartering and casting. I don't want

1432
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: dogs breaking off of their place in my house to

1433
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: go pick up an antler. I don't want so. So

1434
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: we have this gray area. So my young dogs, especially,

1435
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: I have to set them up for success. I can't

1436
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: put them next to an antler, tell them no no, no,

1437
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: no no, and then take them out in the field

1438
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: and go. Now you can, because it's not fair to

1439
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: the little dogs. As the older dogs get get a

1440
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: little bit more experienced under them, I can get away

1441
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: with that. But when I put a dog out on

1442
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: a hunt, meaning I give him a command, like my

1443
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: command is let's go okay, let's go okay, let's go,

1444
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden. It's a certain tone, it's

1445
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: a certain cadence. And my dogs understand right now, Dad said,

1446
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: get up, go out there, don't be right next to

1447
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: me on heal in heal position. This is where I

1448
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: develop everything with a dog in the heel position, because

1449
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: I get dogs to understand that connection, feel and trust.

1450
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: Then I let them slowly gradually build some distance out

1451
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: and so I let him out, and in drills and training,

1452
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll let him out, and then I'll recall and then

1453
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: I'll let him out and I'll recall them, and I'll

1454
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: get him to start checking back in. And once I

1455
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: get him checking back in, we start to develop a range.

1456
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: I have a particular range that I like with my dogs.

1457
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't like him out besides gun range, Like I

1458
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: can only shoot thirty five yards. I don't want him

1459
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: flushing at fifty, So I don't want him hunting out

1460
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: at fifty yards. That's just my personal preference in the

1461
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: way I build that into them so that I can

1462
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: do multiple things. I don't want to just shed hunt

1463
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: with him. I want to I want a girl something.

1464
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: I want a pheasant hunt in the Dakotas. I want

1465
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: to do these different scenarios. So I set up my

1466
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: shed hunting to fit my bird hunting. But when I

1467
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: get these dogs out working in rills, I don't plant

1468
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: a field, take them through, let him zig zag and

1469
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: find them in five minutes because I have no control

1470
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: over the time there. If they if I say go

1471
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: find go ahead, let's go, and they get out, They're

1472
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: going to be as efficient as possible. They're gonna follow

1473
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: potential scent clues, they're gonna be down wind, They're going

1474
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: to use their nose, which is what I want. They're

1475
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna find it, bring it back. They're gonna find it

1476
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: and bring it back. They're gonna find it, bring it back,

1477
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be there to go don't

1478
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: find it so quickly, So how do you get them

1479
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: to not find it so quickly? Don't have them out there?

1480
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: So what I do is I don't do drills like that. Instead,

1481
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: I do drills. When it comes to the idea of

1482
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: conditioning in the antler shape and the antler smell to

1483
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: equal retrieve, I do it in very specific drills. And

1484
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: I do it instead of hide and seek, instead of

1485
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: the idea, because that's going from A to Z and

1486
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: dogs don't do that. Dogs go from A to B,

1487
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: B two C C two D they get to Z.

1488
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: So what I do is I like to get dogs

1489
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: to start to understand see or smell and antler on

1490
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: the ground. That equals a retrieve period, doesn't It's not this,

1491
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: It's not so much this hunting part. Yet, hunting part

1492
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: is a separate activity from the retrieving part based on

1493
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: shape conditioning and sent scent discrimination. So my drills are memories.

1494
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 1: I do a ton of memory work. I do trailing memories.

1495
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: I do circle memories, loop memories. Once you do all

1496
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 1: these different variations and memories, and what does that mean? So,

1497
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: so a trailing memory. The difference is if I take

1498
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: an antler and I throw it for the dog, I

1499
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: throw it and I send the dog. It goes and

1500
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: it makes it, picks it up, brings it back. It's

1501
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: very natural because it's tapping into predator prey. They see something,

1502
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: it falls, they run down, they get it, they bring

1503
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: it back. That's been bred into these dogs for hundreds

1504
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: of years. Like they used to bring fish out of

1505
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: the nets, you know in in Newfoundland, like that was

1506
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: where this Labrador retriever came around. So they they then

1507
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: they got Then they went, boy, that dog really retrieves well,

1508
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: and we can use it for this. And then they said, boy,

1509
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to use it for birds. And they got

1510
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: a good nose and they can find stuff. So over

1511
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: the period of time they've evolved these dogs to do

1512
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: certain things. We've simply evolved them to find antlers for us.

1513
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: It's it's no different than them finding anything else. So

1514
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: but if I I start out with a duck dog

1515
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: by throwing a balled up sock in the hallway, I

1516
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: start out with a shed dog by throwing a balled

1517
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: up sock in the hallway, And I just I do

1518
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: in the hallway because I eliminate opportunities for them to fail.

1519
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: There's nowhere for them to run off. So a lot

1520
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: of people have problems with dogs are running off, circling um,

1521
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: dropping halfway, wanting to wanting to play keep away. If

1522
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,959
Speaker 1: they're in the hallway, they don't have a lot of options.

1523
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: They can come back to me, or they're stuck. And

1524
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 1: little dogs don't like to sit still. So but I

1525
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: start out with throw it, let them go get it,

1526
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: throw it, let them go get it, throw it, let's

1527
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: go get After we do that we're just bringing out

1528
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: natural tendencies that they have for retrieve. What we need

1529
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: to do then, because we need to get them to

1530
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: understand that the retrieves don't always come from our hand.

1531
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: They don't They're not always something that's thrown. And so

1532
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: if it's a bird, I want them to understand they

1533
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: have to be watching out in front because that's where

1534
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: the birds are gonna come from. They're gonna get shot,

1535
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna they're gonna make retrieves when it comes from anler.

1536
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: We're never going to see a buck run through the

1537
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 1: woods and shed in front of us. I mean, I

1538
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: saw it once on YouTube. That's it. You're not gonna

1539
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: You're just not going to see that when you're shed. Honey.

1540
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: Dogs shouldn't be trained to look for the antlers to

1541
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: be falling. Dogs need to be understanding that these things

1542
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: are You're gonna be laying somewhere, and they might be

1543
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: something I can see, and they might be something I

1544
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: have to smell, But wherever I find them, they're laying

1545
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: somewhere and I'm going to pick them up and bring

1546
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: him back to Dad. So by doing it trailing memory,

1547
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: I replicate the throwing of the antler instead. This time,

1548
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: I put the dog on heel. I walk down to

1549
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: the spot where I would have thrown it to, I

1550
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: drop it. I turned around, I walk back to the

1551
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: original spot. I turned back around, and I have the

1552
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: dog weight momentarily, and then I lined the dog and

1553
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: I send the dog on the retrieve. And so early on,

1554
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: I make it real short, and then later on I

1555
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: add more time and I can add more distance. And

1556
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: so when I start doing that, I get dogs to

1557
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: understand we change their memory. So they have short term memory,

1558
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: long term memory. Their short term me it is very short.

1559
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm getting it out of that short term

1560
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: memory of I just saw it, go chase it down

1561
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: and get it. Now they're running out and getting it

1562
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: because I've already done this drill with them hundreds of times,

1563
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: and they understand this whole routine of they run out

1564
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: after Dad does this, they run out, they pick something up,

1565
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: they bring it back. All I'm changing is I didn't

1566
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: throw it this time. It's laying on the ground to

1567
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: start out with, and it's a short period of time,

1568
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: and it's a relatively short distance. But then I can

1569
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: start adding distance, and I can start adding time and

1570
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: so then I can take a trailing memory and I

1571
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: can add it into a circle memory, multiple bumpers in

1572
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: a circle, and we set it up and we teach

1573
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: dogs to not to run. We set it up as

1574
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 1: a circle. They run straight lines. So there's tons of

1575
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,520
Speaker 1: it's it's just adding layers to the idea of these memories.

1576
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 1: And what we're doing is is we're building a dog's

1577
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: understanding of they're gonna pick stuff up that's on the

1578
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: ground rather than having to be thrown or rather than

1579
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: having to be seen in movement, and then all of

1580
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, we're it's a retrieve for him. I do

1581
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: the same thing with a gun dog. So but once

1582
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: you get so I do these drills, and my dogs

1583
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: figure out through these drills that thing equals retrieve, whether

1584
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: it be an antler, training, dummy ball, tennis ball, uh

1585
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: scented with certain things. I use antlers sent on tennis

1586
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: balls because it's a great reward. Dogs love tennis balls,

1587
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: and we can make him smell like an antler. They're

1588
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: going to connect real positive things to antlers, and my

1589
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: dogs understand the tennis balls equal retrieve. So we we

1590
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: can use all these different items with these drills, and

1591
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: what we're doing is ingraining in the dog to understand

1592
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: certain things equal retrieve. Quick story on this, So my kid.

1593
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: I had a dog that I trained for a client

1594
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: and the dog was I don't know, close to two

1595
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: years old, never picked up a pop bottle in its life,

1596
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: like I never had it picking up soda bottles. Well,

1597
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: I'm walking the dog down the road and one day, obviously,

1598
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: he picks up his soda bottle. He brings it back

1599
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: to me, and he's weirdly wagging his tail, and I'm going,

1600
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: it's weird. I didn't correct him for it because I

1601
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: don't want to turn young dogs off for retrieving, but

1602
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 1: I thought, that's weird. I've never I've never seen that before.

1603
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: Next day he does it again. Couple of days in

1604
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: a row where this dog is retrieving pop bottles, and

1605
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm going, what the hell is going on? I never did,

1606
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: never saw this behavior before. He's seen a lot of

1607
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: pop bottles in his life, he's never picked him up.

1608
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, after about three or four days

1609
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: of it, I come back in the summertime and late spring,

1610
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: and I hear some noise in the backyard and I

1611
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: go over to I walk around the corner and peak

1612
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: around the corner and it's our daughter and she's playing

1613
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: here here, she's in their cycling bin and she's in

1614
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: the recycling bin with Newman this litly yellow lab of

1615
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: ours that we're training for a client, and Newman's bringing

1616
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: back so bottles and I go, what is going on here?

1617
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: And in our daughter turns around, looks and she's little

1618
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: it turns around and looks at me and she goes

1619
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: training Newman and I go, your damn right, you're training Newman.

1620
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 1: And that's where it came from, all of a sudden,

1621
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, a pop bottle to Newman equal

1622
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: to reward. It was a retrieve. And so the idea

1623
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: of being able to get dogs to under it's just

1624
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: simply getting to understand certain things. Now, Newman had gone

1625
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: through lots of formal drills with me, and he learned

1626
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: certain things retrieve them because Dad really gets excited and

1627
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: then he praises me for it, and I feel pretty

1628
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: good about that. Dogs want to do what we want.

1629
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: Dogs want to make us happy. So when it comes

1630
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: to the shed dog, I'm just trying to figure out

1631
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: way is to get this guy to understand, pick this

1632
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: thing up and bring it back to Dad, and he's

1633
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: pretty he's pretty happy about it. So so back so

1634
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: so when it comes to that's one big thing, it's

1635
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: it's it's replicating closer to the real thing for you.

1636
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: The other thing is is I got a question for you.

1637
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: When you shed hunting those first how many years do

1638
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: you think you put in uh to the point where

1639
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: you said, I'm ready to shed hunt with him, We're

1640
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna take him on real shed hunts. And we already

1641
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: established he probably went too long. You probably got him board,

1642
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: he probably burnt out. You know, the idea of there's

1643
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: nothing here that you've already touched on, the idea of

1644
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: some places don't have shed antlers or as many. That's

1645
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 1: that's a reality. That's the difference between getting an upland

1646
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: dog ready and getting a shed dog ready. It takes

1647
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: a certain amount of times for things to click. And

1648
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: when I can go to a game farm, I can

1649
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: put out birds and I can hunt them morning and night.

1650
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: I can go out to South Dakota and I can

1651
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: really finish out dogs nicely because I can go in

1652
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 1: a slow and I can flash a hundred roosters in

1653
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:14,839
Speaker 1: the afternoon, and so that much experience and opportunity allows

1654
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: dogs for things to click. How many you know when

1655
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: you went shed hunting, especially in Michigan. I'm in Wisconsin,

1656
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: and if I find three sheds by my house this year,

1657
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: it'll be a banner year. Like, we just don't have

1658
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: that many. The reason is it's because dead sheds. Dead

1659
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: bucks don't shed like young deer get shot around here

1660
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: and they just don't shed. How many sheds do you

1661
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 1: think you came across over that What was the time period,

1662
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: and how many sheds do you think you saw had

1663
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: a chance to pick up over that time period? So

1664
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: I think I think he started, if I'm remembering this right,

1665
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: I think I really started like taking him out when

1666
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: he was too You know, we trained a lot when

1667
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 1: he was a puppy. In that first year. We probably

1668
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: walked around a cornfield near my house that first year.

1669
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: But I probably started taking him on some serious shed

1670
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: hunts when he was two. And then over the next

1671
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, three years or whatever, UM walked him around

1672
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot in Michigan where we found almost zero sheds.

1673
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: UM took him once to Iowa, and I think that

1674
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: was that. That was a frustration point, because what did

1675
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: that trip with high hopes in a shed rich environment

1676
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: and there were at least two or three sheds on

1677
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: that one that he that he that I you know,

1678
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: we found someone found first, and we waited for him

1679
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: to find it, and sometimes he would just like one

1680
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: time he stepped over one one he knows and picked

1681
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: up but then wasn't super excited about it. But you know,

1682
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 1: when I look back on it, and there was the

1683
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 1: whole trip was a whole distraction. There was another dog

1684
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: that was a distraction. So there's all these other things,

1685
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,440
Speaker 1: these things that looking back on it, I can understand.

1686
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: But then fast forward now to Michigan again, over the

1687
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: last few years, we've probably I've only found maybe three

1688
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: antlers in places where I've taken him over all that

1689
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: time that that I found myself. And so when I

1690
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: do find one, I wait and then he'll he'll come

1691
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,440
Speaker 1: up on it later. But I've yet to have him

1692
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: find one himself. And Brandton me right, I'm so I'm

1693
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: running the numbers in my head here, and I did

1694
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: not need a calculator for that. I'm not a mathetician,

1695
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: but I didn't need a calculator like six you maybe

1696
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: had six opportunities, solid opportunities over a period of multiple years,

1697
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: and like that alone. Now I'm gonna ask you just

1698
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of take a step back, and anyone who's listening

1699
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: right now just take a step because you're probably going

1700
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: mark there. These people listening right now are probably gonna

1701
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: mark him in the exact same boat. Thank you for

1702
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: asking these questions, because these are great. This is great,

1703
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: like this makes this is really valuable. And so they're

1704
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 1: saying I had the same thing happened, And some people

1705
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: might say, you know what, I haven't found six. I

1706
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: did not have a chance to find that many. Some

1707
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: people might say I found way more than that, and

1708
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: so it's gonna vary. But this, this is true. This

1709
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: unless someone finds a lot of antlers, which if they're

1710
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: just I just don't know that many people that do.

1711
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: But that's not very many opportunities. Like that's like asking

1712
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: a kid to be a basketball player and starting him

1713
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: out when he's like in third grade or second grade,

1714
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: like really really young. You help him get ready, to

1715
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: help him get ready, you know, first couple of seasons,

1716
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: and you let him you let him take six shots

1717
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: in games over a three or four year career, like

1718
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: that kid is gonna quit playing basketball. He's just it's

1719
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: just not You can't divide. You can't get very good

1720
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 1: if you shoot the basketball six times in three years,

1721
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: like it's possible. So but when you take a step

1722
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: back and you assess this and you look at it,

1723
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: I my hope is that you're gonna go. Man, that

1724
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: makes a little sense. And I'm gonna tell you right

1725
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now. Like I'm a dog trainer,

1726
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: like I trained dogs for clients, I've really pride myself

1727
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: on the dogs. I think they're they're good, They're real good.

1728
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: My personal dogs are good, man, They're just I'm I'm

1729
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: extremely proud of them. But I will tell you this.

1730
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: Ellie my one of my I think she'll be one

1731
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: of the finest dogs I own. She's two and a

1732
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 1: half years old right now. She's shed headed one season.

1733
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: She went last year. I did not. I don't shed

1734
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: hunt nearly as much as I wish I could. I

1735
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: used to shed out a lot more before I got

1736
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: into this, but it sounds really counterproductive. But it's the

1737
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: time of year and the business and the things that

1738
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: are going on. Just take away and you know what

1739
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So when you when I took Ellie out

1740
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: last year, she was, uh, the about a year and

1741
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: a half. I run a big risk. I do a

1742
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of things live training. I like to show the

1743
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 1: progress of these dogs, and I like to show the good,

1744
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: the bad, and the ugly. And it's very dangerous because

1745
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you can look like a real moron. I mean you

1746
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: can really look like a bad trainer. You know what

1747
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: I've found it's the most it's the best way for

1748
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: people to connect and understand that he's a real trainer

1749
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: and he's also a real person and his dogs are

1750
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: real dogs. They make the same mistakes yours do. Like

1751
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: what you just described with Boone is exactly what Ellie did,

1752
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: but maybe worse. My dog. I was live on Facebook

1753
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: when she found her first antler. It took over ten minutes,

1754
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 1: and I stood next to it the entire time, and

1755
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: so all I did was trying to encourage her. I

1756
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: think she bumped into it multiple times. I think she

1757
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: almost tripped on it a couple of times. She it

1758
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: took so long for her to click this is a

1759
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: dog I train and I own, and I'm proud of

1760
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: And I will say this she's gonna turn out just fine.

1761
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 1: Her first opportunity. She looked silly. But my my reaction

1762
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: to it was what was the most important part, because

1763
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: trust me, the blood pressure was really going, like I

1764
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: was really warm. As I was live, I was trying

1765
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: to move where I could lose connection, and all of

1766
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm sorry, we lost you, guys. It didn't

1767
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get lucky. So I literally had to watch

1768
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: the dog go over it. And finally, while encouraging it's

1769
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: a game of hot and cold, as she got warmer,

1770
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: she got closer to it. I find it, find it,

1771
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: find it, find it, and I'm picking it up with

1772
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: this tone of voice. And as I say that, every

1773
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: dog in the room just picks his head up, because

1774
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: that tone is what signals to them there's something there.

1775
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: And we developed that during drills, and so as soon

1776
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: as that dog got close enough to find it, and

1777
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: she did find it, and it took a long time,

1778
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: and in my younger years, with less experience and understanding

1779
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: of the word patients, I'd have been pissed, and I'd

1780
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: have picked it up myself, and I'd have gotten negative

1781
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: with her, and I said, come on, Ellie, Ellie, come on,

1782
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: I've trained you to do this, and my tone would

1783
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: have changed and the frustration would come out, and my

1784
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: dog would have left that situation taking steps backwards. And

1785
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: apparently we weren't very far in the first place. So

1786
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: how much far? How far back can you go when

1787
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: you're not very far in the beginning. So I had

1788
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: to take a deep breath and I had to go, Okay,

1789
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: that was one. Let's do it again. She did it

1790
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 1: again on the second one. But after the third, the fourth,

1791
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: the fifth, they she did it every She struggled, and

1792
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: I found little things that she improved on, and I

1793
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: found little things that she got better at, and then

1794
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: I built off of that. And now we're into a

1795
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: second season, and will she find I look at this

1796
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: season as a great opportunity to simply extend my training

1797
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: with her. That's it. And so if it takes five years,

1798
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Your dog is gonna hunt for until

1799
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 1: it's twelve, thirteen years old, and so good like it

1800
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: might lift it's fifteen, but you're gonna get some good

1801
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: years in the field. So if you I was gonna say, so,

1802
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: is it not too late? Like can I can I?

1803
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: Can I resurrect this situation, your dog is your dog

1804
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: is not even hit its prime yet for sure. And

1805
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: and so what I think the key is is take

1806
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: instead of looking at with the with the idea or

1807
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: the philosophy of he's already what is he six? Yeah,

1808
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: I think he's sex. He'll be seven, he'll be seven

1809
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: and a month and a half. Instead of saying he's

1810
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 1: already six almost seven, I lost four or five good

1811
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: years of hunting, I would say he's almost he's six,

1812
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: he's almost seven. I've got six years left to get better. Now.

1813
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: That's that's like that takes macro patients like you have

1814
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: to be patient to have that approach, because what have

1815
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: you got to lose? Like if you don't, you're gonna

1816
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: have six seven more years of nothing, or you can

1817
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: start to work. And you know what, here's here's the

1818
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: funny thing. You you said you found three sheds in

1819
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: those couple of years in Michigan, right spots where he

1820
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: was with me up. Yeah, So if you find if

1821
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: you put in that was over a couple of year period.

1822
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: So let's just average that out. I'm a numbers guy.

1823
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: Let's average that out. It's one per year. So if

1824
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: over the next five years your dog. That would be

1825
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: mean You're you're on pace, a blistering pace for five, right,

1826
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: and I don't. I'm laughing at it because I'm going,

1827
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm in the exact same boat if

1828
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: I stay here, like I have to go to good

1829
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: spots to right now. And that's the thing is that

1830
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: I because of how I soured on it, I just stopped.

1831
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: I stopped stopped taking him on the out of state

1832
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: trips because like, he's just a hassle. He's just gonna

1833
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 1: run around and get distracted and embarrass me and so

1834
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I and that's kept me from taking him to the

1835
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,799
Speaker 1: shed rich environments. That has then further heard of training

1836
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: and it's a vicious like that's how exactly, that's how

1837
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: you develop a man. So you got five at a

1838
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: pace of one per year. Over the next five years,

1839
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 1: you're you're you're gonna hit five. Let's just say you

1840
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: keep up your average and you get to five. If

1841
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: your dog finds two in the next five years, look

1842
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: at what it did to the percentage of sheds you phone,

1843
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Like if you find if you find one a year

1844
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 1: and your dog finds one a year, you doubled your production.

1845
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: Now it's people don't Yeah, but you only phone one? Yeah,

1846
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: but so did you, like you know, like doubling your

1847
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: production is excellent? Like that is so good? Like you you.

1848
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I just think people have to be realistic with the

1849
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: idea shed dogs that are trained regardless of good batter

1850
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: and different trains. Shed dogs don't fill the back of

1851
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: the truck while you sip coffee. It doesn't work that way.

1852
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I wish it did. It doesn't like there have to

1853
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: be sheds there in the first place. And so when

1854
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,600
Speaker 1: you when you like, everyone has relative goals, and I

1855
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: think some of the people that are listening right now

1856
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: that might have had some circles. We've got shed Raley

1857
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: coming up this weekend, and I go, if you've never

1858
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: found a shed before, your goal shouldn't be it's shed rally.

1859
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: And I saw a guy on Instagram post a dozen

1860
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,839
Speaker 1: that he found. Lad that's a like, like, that's there's

1861
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: very few people doing that. So if your goal is

1862
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: to match what you saw the guy on Instagram or

1863
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Facebook post with his four month old dog, that is

1864
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: first off, man, that's great if they're doing it, but

1865
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: that's not you, And really, who cares what they're doing?

1866
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: Like we have to go all I want, Like, my

1867
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,759
Speaker 1: goal is going to be if you've never found a shed,

1868
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: find one, find one, and maybe the dog picks it up,

1869
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,879
Speaker 1: or maybe it doesn't pick it up, but gain something

1870
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: out of it positive and then you build on that.

1871
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: That's that's all we do. That's all I do with

1872
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 1: these dogs. Yeah, that it makes a lot of sense. Dude,

1873
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: it's it's you. You You are not He is not

1874
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: a loss, cause he is. It goes back to short falls,

1875
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: and the short falls usually come back to us as handlers,

1876
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 1: and it's nobody's fault. Like, that's not your fault, mark, Like,

1877
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: how did you? Like you did? I guarantee you and

1878
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: I can tell and I can hear it in your voice.

1879
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: You did everything you knew to try to find success

1880
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: with them. And it's human nature when it doesn't work

1881
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: to become frustrated. And it's also human nature to go

1882
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm wasting my time in a world

1883
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: of efficiency and productivity, I can't afford to do that.

1884
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's more of a hassle to

1885
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 1: bring them on the on the trips. If you look

1886
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: at the shed trips as training opportunities, instead of shed trips.

1887
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: It's not now, it's a different now. You have a

1888
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: different outlook on things like I look at I look

1889
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: at failures. That I can look at failures and I

1890
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: can bitch about it and I can go made a

1891
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: mistake or I can look at a failure and I

1892
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: can go, there's a great opportunity for me to learn,

1893
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: Like it's it's how you, it's how you, it's it's

1894
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: just your approach, how you, how you go about each

1895
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: of those situations. So, so what do you think? And

1896
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 1: given I mean, we're it's it's early March, just prime

1897
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: shed hunting season. I haven't even really been taking him

1898
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 1: with me this year walking around just because this year

1899
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: I've just been whatever. I'll just go out myself and

1900
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: sometimes he walks with me when it's close to home,

1901
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: but when I'm traveling, he hasn't come with me. But

1902
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: now you've got me really fired up again about it,

1903
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: which is good. Um, yeah, exactly. So are there any

1904
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: specific drills or things I should try? You you mentioned

1905
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: a handful of different things, but is there anything that

1906
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: knowing what you know about what I have done with

1907
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: him so far, what he has positively responded to, is

1908
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 1: there anything I should be doing from a training perspective

1909
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: to try to ramp him up? Or should I just

1910
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: just bring him along with me now and just praise

1911
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: him a lot when we find one and all the above? Easy,

1912
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: easy answer, all above, and the idea of you know,

1913
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I thought you were going down the road. If it's

1914
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: already you know it's already marching like this is prime

1915
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 1: like in the next before between right now, because I

1916
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: don't know that they've all shed. We jumped a buck

1917
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: an eyo last year that was or last weekend that

1918
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: was carrying both sides. I know some are I would

1919
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: say the majority now have shed, but like there are

1920
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 1: some that will hold for the next couple of weeks.

1921
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: But within between right now and green up when it

1922
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: starts to get green is prime, like it's this is

1923
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 1: this is it? Man? This is like? And so I

1924
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say, you know, we're already there,

1925
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: and you know, is it too late to worry about

1926
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: getting something out of the balance of this year? I

1927
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: tell people this when they asked me when do you

1928
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: start training? Like, and that's a generalized question of when

1929
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: you start training when they're you know, when you when

1930
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: they're puppies, and and when do you start this? And

1931
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: when you start that? I tell people right away, first off,

1932
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,799
Speaker 1: forget about time. Time doesn't matter to the dogs, shouldn't

1933
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 1: matter to you, like we just we check. We sweep

1934
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: that away. Don't worry about the time. What I think,

1935
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: what I tell people is the time to start is

1936
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: the beginning, Like today's the beginning. Like my dad used

1937
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: to tell me, today's the first day of the rest

1938
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: of your life, like it was this big thing. It

1939
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: was a big joke that he'd tell me every morning,

1940
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: and and I I was, you know, I didn't need

1941
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: to hear it every morning, But I use it today

1942
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: in my all myself that because I go, you know what,

1943
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: if you want to get to the end, like everyone

1944
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: wants to get to the end. We all want to

1945
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: get to the end. We want I'm telling you right

1946
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: now that the process is the part that I enjoy

1947
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: more than the end these days. And I never was.

1948
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't always like that, but now I am. So

1949
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 1: we all want to get to the end, and I'd

1950
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: like to get to the end too. I just don't

1951
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: know if my end is ever an end, Like I

1952
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: just think that I don't know. We ever get everything

1953
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: out of them. So we all want to get to

1954
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the end. And let's say the end is shed hunting.

1955
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: The only way to get to shed hunting is to

1956
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: start in the beginning. And that doesn't matter if your

1957
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: dog is six years old or six weeks old. It

1958
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: has to start in the beginning. Now, the nice part

1959
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: about you with a six year old dog that has

1960
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: some foundation, has has you've got your way ahead. So

1961
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 1: you still have to start in the beginning. But so

1962
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I back way up and and I probably could spend

1963
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 1: a little time with that dog, and I probably start

1964
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: in on some some drill stuff just to get a

1965
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 1: feel for it and have it get a feel for me.

1966
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: And I'd find holes in that foundation, and those would

1967
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: be the things that I'd work on. So in order

1968
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: to do trailing memories are nice drill. In order to

1969
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 1: do them, I need a dog that's calm, quiet and steady,

1970
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: heels really well, preferably off lead. So if I can't

1971
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: do that, that's where I start, because in order to

1972
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: get my dog to the field, I have to do

1973
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: these drills. And in order to do those drills, I

1974
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 1: have to have that foundation. So we just finished. We

1975
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: just finished a shed DVD. It's it's actually gonna it's

1976
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 1: shipping right now. It's gonna be to my warehouse this week.

1977
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: We took what we used to have, which was forty

1978
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: eight minutes, which I thought was good. I thought it

1979
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,759
Speaker 1: was I thought it was I thought it was pretty good.

1980
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,679
Speaker 1: I did it a long time ago, and I loved

1981
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,839
Speaker 1: how you opened this up and said, is something changed

1982
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: now from when you you know, when we last talked.

1983
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: It has a lot of things have. So one of

1984
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: the things is the DVD that we did that was

1985
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes. I took basically the same outline. I

1986
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: redid it because I felt like certain parts needed more focus.

1987
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:02,879
Speaker 1: In certain parts, I needed to provide more, more content,

1988
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 1: more content. We do these workshops. We filmed all the workshops,

1989
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 1: and then we showed the chapters basically applied in the workshops.

1990
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: It's more valuable to see someone else doing it than

1991
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: me doing a demonstration, because their dogs and those people

1992
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: make the same mistakes as many people do, so we

1993
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: added that to the We turned a forty eight minute

1994
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 1: DVD that included a process called hold conditioning. We turned

1995
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 1: it into a three hour DVD, took out the hold

1996
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: conditioning added it in as a separate piece and that's

1997
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: an hour in itself. So we went from forty eight

1998
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: minutes to four hours. And the reason is this because

1999
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 1: I feel so strongly about the idea of some of

2000
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: these details that we're talking about take a lot of

2001
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: seeing and watching and seeing variations of But then the

2002
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: real work comes when you execute, like you have to

2003
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: do it, like you can watch. You can watch all

2004
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 1: the DVDs you want. Your dog doesn't learn and you

2005
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 1: don't and you don't learn like I think it's the handler.

2006
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: Handler is fifty of the equation. But yeah, you can.

2007
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: Then you can do it. You've got such a big

2008
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: jump start on it. But I would say this, have

2009
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 1: realistic expectations. So so set your goals to be like

2010
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 1: coming up on the seventh birthday. So set your goals

2011
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 1: by the time he's tend to pick up on antler,

2012
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: and you likely won't be disappointed. Yeah, And I say

2013
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 1: it kind of jokingly, but I'm really not because if

2014
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: we take that approach and we have that idea going

2015
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: into it, will never be disappointed. Yeah. And as soon

2016
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 1: as if we're not disappointed, we're that much more likely

2017
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: to succeed because your dog won't shut down because you're

2018
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: pissed at him and you think he's fatally Yeah, and

2019
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 1: and so much as we've been talking about this, even

2020
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: more so, I'm just reflecting back on Yeah, this, this

2021
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: is this is my issue. This is this is in

2022
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: my head like software, I wasn't wasn't wasn't giving him

2023
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: the chance to succeed in a lot of ways, because

2024
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: I'd be really fired up and we do all the

2025
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: training and I'd be pumped up, and then when he

2026
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 1: didn't find the antlers and I'd get disappointed, and then

2027
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: I would take him out less and I'd train less

2028
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: and they was already limited pickings because there's only very

2029
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 1: very very few shed and so I wasn't setting them

2030
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: up for success. And then it wasn't taking in the

2031
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: place of the worrylers. So it just keeps coming back

2032
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,440
Speaker 1: to me. Um. But I'll tell you what, this conversation,

2033
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: just your encouragement has been enough to get me really excited.

2034
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm going to North Dakota for a shed

2035
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: hunting trip later this month, and I think I'm gonna

2036
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: bring him on it now and I love watching it,

2037
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 1: and I you know, I first off, I apologize dude,

2038
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: I get long winded and I probably really blew your

2039
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: time limits out, but your questions makes so much sense,

2040
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: and you're what you're asking connects I think so well

2041
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: to what so many people are going through. I can't

2042
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: tell you how many people are gonna go I like

2043
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,679
Speaker 1: I said before, a lot of people have had heard

2044
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: our first podcast, and that one was totally different, Like

2045
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: that was so that was so mechanical, and it was

2046
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: not to say that it was bad, but it was

2047
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: just a lot different. And so so many people that

2048
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: I know recognized the idea of oh, you were on

2049
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: you are on Wired to Hunt because I heard you

2050
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:12,440
Speaker 1: talk with Mark and we went through more historical background

2051
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff of what what you know,

2052
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: how we got to where we are? This man, this

2053
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 1: had so much value for so many people. I guarantee

2054
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: you there are people that are going that's exact I'm

2055
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: in the exact same boat. And my hope is that

2056
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,679
Speaker 1: they take their takeaway is maybe I give it another shot,

2057
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:31,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I try it again, maybe and and go into

2058
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: it not in comparison to the four month old that

2059
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: you saw pick up the shed on Facebook, Like, guys,

2060
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: that's a highlight reel and and mine don't do it.

2061
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: So so if you want to make comparisons, compare them

2062
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: to mind because mine miserably they fail miserably, make comparisons

2063
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 1: to And we try to show it to you our

2064
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: Facebook or Instagram, our YouTube, all that stuff. We show

2065
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 1: so many times where our dogs make mistakes because I

2066
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: just think that that's valuables, that's real, that's that's the

2067
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: stuff that people have to see because it's what you

2068
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: do at those moments that form your dog into what

2069
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:12,759
Speaker 1: they are. Wow, well, this is uh to your point, Jeremy,

2070
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: this has been so valuable to me, like even more

2071
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:16,679
Speaker 1: so than I thought it was going to be coming

2072
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: into it. I kind of I came into it like, oh,

2073
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,400
Speaker 1: this will be some good stuff, people will be interested

2074
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: in it, but I personally wasn't invested in it. And

2075
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my whole attitude and thought process

2076
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 1: for the next month and a half has changed. So

2077
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 1: thank you Jeremy for sharing so much. And I'm gonna

2078
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to check out this DVD now and

2079
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 1: and get back into stuff and get going out in

2080
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah. I just I appreciate you man for

2081
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: having us on I'm excited being tied into this shed

2082
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 1: rally thing coming up this weekend. I just think, I

2083
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 1: just think it's really it's it's really it's inspiring to me.

2084
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 1: It sounds weird, but it's inspiring to me to have

2085
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to people that struggling and hope

2086
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,839
Speaker 1: that I can. Yeah, if it's if it's just simply

2087
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: like I joke about the idea of this group that

2088
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 1: I meet with um and it's not hunting dogs stuff,

2089
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 1: it's just obedient stuff. But I joke with them about

2090
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: about every three or four weeks, I almost have to

2091
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 1: give a pep talk to get everybody's spirits back up.

2092
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: And that's okay if as long as I if I'm

2093
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: able to do it and keep them going. I feel

2094
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: like I've really figured out. I think one of my

2095
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: missions was to help as many dogs as I could.

2096
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 1: That's why I started doing what I was doing. I've

2097
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 1: realized now that I can only touch so many, but

2098
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: it's easier for me to help people, which ultimately will

2099
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: help dogs. And so I've become more fascinated with the

2100
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: idea of how can I help people to help them

2101
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: help their dogs, And and it's it's outlets like yours.

2102
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: It's you know this, these are this is where people

2103
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 1: are gonna, I hope take away from it so that

2104
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: that's what gives me motivation, That's what keeps me going.

2105
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: And so I appreciate you as much or more probably

2106
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 1: than you appreciate this conversation. Wow, I'm glad it's been

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Speaker 1: a win win then, So this is that I'm literally

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Speaker 1: I'm literally going to hang up the phone from this

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Speaker 1: and go grab an antler and go out into the

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Speaker 1: yard with my dog and uh yeah. Now, remember dude,

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Speaker 1: it's a marathon, so so not a sprint, and so maintain.

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Speaker 1: I love to see a maintain, a steady, persistent It

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be sprinting speed. It's just just real,

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Speaker 1: take a take a big picture of what you've got going,

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Speaker 1: reassess it, and then set a plan. And if I

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Speaker 1: can help you, I will. But that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: If people have questions, it's just it's just easy these

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Speaker 1: days to get to help people. Social stuff is just

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Speaker 1: makes it that way so so cool for people that

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Speaker 1: want to get more of you. R. You have a

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Speaker 1: ton to offer people. I mean that's obvious for anyone

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Speaker 1: listening to this for the first time. If people are

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Speaker 1: familiar with you, you have a lot of value, a

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Speaker 1: lot of information, a lot of help for people. Where

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01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: can people get all this from you? Where can they

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01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:02,440
Speaker 1: find you work? They find your products, your ideas, your resources.

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Speaker 1: So at our everything, I try to keep it as

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Speaker 1: simple as possible. Everything we do is at dog Bone Hunter.

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Speaker 1: So like our all of our social stuff UM, our

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Speaker 1: YouTube page, Facebook, Instagram, those are and I just I

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Speaker 1: just started Snapchat a little bit and I realized the

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Speaker 1: value of the next There's so many people that use it,

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Speaker 1: like I mean, my kid uses it like a text message.

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Speaker 1: So I'm dabbling into that a little bit, trying to

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Speaker 1: figure that out. But it's really it's I found it

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Speaker 1: to be really convenient and easy to share a quick

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Speaker 1: story of what I'm doing. I did it last week

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Speaker 1: when we were in Iowa hunting, and I actually used

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Speaker 1: it more than any of our other platforms. They all

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Speaker 1: have their own thing, they all have their own spot

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Speaker 1: where I feel like they add value. So Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and Snapchat, UM, and then our YouTube, which a lot

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Speaker 1: of our stuff ends up migrating there is at dogbone Hunter.

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Speaker 1: And then our website is dogbone Hunter dot com so

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Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty. If you remember Dogbone Hunter, you'll you'll

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Speaker 1: find us in in some some fashion. Perfect. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: make sure to have that stuff linked as well. And

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Speaker 1: uh man, I just want to say thank you, Jeremy.

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Speaker 1: This has been a lot of fun, great conversation and

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Speaker 1: uh Boone, I think Boone is gonna want to send

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Speaker 1: you's gonna appreciate you. Yeah, he's gonna appreciate it, I

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Speaker 1: believe too. So excellent, man, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Any time that you want to talk. Man, let me

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Speaker 1: know appreciate it. And that's gonna be it. But real

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Speaker 1: quick before we shut this down, and want to give

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Speaker 1: you a quick heads up about something coming up with

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Speaker 1: my pals over at back Country Hunters and Anglers. It's

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Speaker 1: a conservation organization I'm a part of and their big

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Speaker 1: annual rendezvous is coming up in April and they wanted

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Speaker 1: me to share this message with you. So so listen

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Speaker 1: to this and then be sure to come along in Boise, Idaho,

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Speaker 1: because I will be there and I'd love to see you.

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Speaker 1: Tie stubble Field here from back Country Hunters and Anglers

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Speaker 1: reminding you of our seventh annual North American Rendezvous April

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Speaker 1: twelve to the fourteenth in Boise, Idaho, Join and special

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Speaker 1: better podcasting voice than me. That that deep baritone, it's

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Speaker 1: got authority to it. But in all seriousness, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I will be there at the rendezvous. It would be

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Speaker 1: awesome to connect with some of you there and hope

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Speaker 1: to see you finally. Then I guess I just want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you to our partners who helped make

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Speaker 1: this all possible. It's so big. Thank you to sit

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Speaker 1: you gear Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, the White

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Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and hunt Terra Maps,

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Speaker 1: and finally thanks for being here, thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you're gonna get out shed hunting this weekend. If

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Speaker 1: you do, good luck, be sure to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: tag everything with hashtag shed Rally so I can see

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Speaker 1: those pictures. Send me some of your pictures and video.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. So thanks for everyone,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, stay Wired to Hunt m M.