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Speaker 1: You mentioned the edge rusher class, Matt, why don't we

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Speaker 1: terms of when we when we stacked them, and we

429
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Speaker 1: rank these guys by numbers. But that's this is why

430
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of role based grading as opposed

431
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 1: to round based grading, because you have different numbers of

432
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 1: good players in each and every draft every year. Right

433
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: like last year we had the crazy good top ten

434
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 1: and then it kind of leveled out more quickly when

435
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: you got into deeper into the first round, and then

436
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 1: you had like some really nice depth around like the

437
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: third round pick type range. This year, I think you

438
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: don't have any of that super duper high top ten talent.

439
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: We have those three guys that we've identified as blue chippers,

440
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 1: which is fewer than last year, but that's six point

441
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 1: nine to six point seven grade range, that strong starter

442
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: your grade range. These are players that you build a

443
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 1: super Bowl team around. If you're trying to make it

444
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: a round based system. Yeah, these are first round picks

445
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: in in a in a you know, a quote unquote

446
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 1: round based system. But the good news is we've got

447
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: almost forty players this year that we would put in

448
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: that first round grade range if that was how we

449
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: looked at things, right, So that's precisely why we don't

450
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: do round bras grades. We do role based grades. And

451
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 1: in terms of starting level players, we think there are

452
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: seven guys in this draft. So yes, you're right about

453
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: the top end Hutchinson. We have him as the top

454
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: player overall on our board. Like I said before, not

455
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 1: Chase young level, but a very good player. He's gonna

456
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: come and be good. Thibodeau has a little bit more

457
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: upside physically than than a Hutchinson. Um, he's also a

458
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: little bit better probably as a run defender, kind of

459
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: right out the box. Hutchinson's not bad in that regard,

460
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: but Thibodeaux really so shows some strength there. Um also

461
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: somebody who's got a got a perfect total points rating

462
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher when he was on the field.

463
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: This past year. Um, I think he's somebody that at

464
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: this at the six point nine grade level. I don't

465
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 1: I don't want to be too I don't want to

466
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 1: get too uh hard on him. This is just one

467
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: notch below that blue chip or we think that he's

468
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: an ideal top edge rusher on a team and has

469
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: the potential to be a double digit sack guy. So

470
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: he's right there when when you start to talk about

471
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: the very very high end of this draft, and then

472
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: at number thirteen is where we have Trayvon Walker. And

473
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: what you gotta remember is we're great in this all

474
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: based on the film. Yeah, we get the combined numbers

475
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and you know, to some extent

476
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: that might seep into the way people think about their evaluations,

477
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: but there's no it wasn't like we didn't know when

478
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: you watch the film. The athletic traits are ridiculous with

479
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: Travon Walker. Like this guy athletically, there's nothing that he

480
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: can't do. He can play inside, he can play outside,

481
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: he can pass rush, He's got just all kinds of

482
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: physical ability. He hasn't had that development. He doesn't have

483
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: that uh polish to his game quite yet. So where

484
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: I look at him and I think, why do why?

485
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 1: Why would I get so h excited about him? As

486
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: an NFL team, I love a player that I can

487
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: put on the field on first and second down as

488
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: an edge, be a really strong player, there have all

489
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 1: kinds of upside, and then on third down bump him

490
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: inside and then I can bring in one of these

491
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: situational special edge rushers to come in on the edge

492
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: on the outside. I don't need to tell a Giants

493
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: fan about, you know, the old NASCAR package. Um. That's

494
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: that's the idea with with Travon Walker is that he's

495
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: the guy you can bump inside on third down and

496
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: have that ridiculous athletic ability where he could be guards,

497
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: he could be tackles, he can do it all. Um.

498
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: So I love those three guys. And yes there's a

499
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: little bit of a jump before we get down to

500
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 1: uh the guys that you mentioned before. But that's not

501
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: to say anything negative about char Loctus and these other guys. Um.

502
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: I think I think there are some players in this draft,

503
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: so you can be patient there. Well, I ask you

504
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: specific about a couple of these guys. If you haven't

505
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: touched on him A bunch Jermaine Johnson is somebody that

506
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: some people think, could you know, pop into the top

507
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: ten there. He's only had one year of production, going

508
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: from Georgia to Florida State. What are the things you

509
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: really like about his game and what are some of

510
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: the things that might give you pause if you're looking

511
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: to make him a top fifteen pick in this year's draft. Yeah,

512
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean the pass rush upside is what jumps out

513
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: with this player. Um. You see the ability to pass

514
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: for us. You see the strength and power that he

515
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: brings to his game. UM, a really good strong upper body,

516
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: strength in hand use. UM. What you get concerned about it?

517
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's kind of the one hit wonder UM,

518
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: and it's kind of where's the consistency to see this

519
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: on a on a play by play, on a down

520
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: by down basis. UM. Looking into his advanced stats, UM,

521
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: some of the things when it comes to his sack

522
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: rate is pressure rate. Um. It doesn't always line up. UM.

523
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: He seems to have really good pressure in some instances

524
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: and then really bad in other places. UM. And then

525
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: when you go into his report, which which our primary scouts,

526
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: Patrick Morrison and Jonathan Micklows, who who Broke came down.

527
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: For for all the upside that they find and a

528
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: lot of the things that get you really excited, the

529
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: lack of motor um, the lack of ability for this

530
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: guy to be an edge who can drop back and

531
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: kind of play in past defense. Um. Not somebody that's

532
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna fit in that way, a better fit for a

533
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: four three team. Um. There there are just some questions

534
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: that we see in his game where for all the

535
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: past rush upside, for all the ability to make the

536
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: plays in the backfield, there's also been a sort of

537
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: lack of consistency that that we're not so sure about.

538
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: A couple other guys that I think you maybe like

539
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more than than others. My j Sanders

540
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: had a Cincinnatia player. We even talked a ton about

541
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: I think Kingsley Ennig bare Um at a South Caroline. Uh.

542
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: What is it that you guys like about those guys?

543
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: You have him with identical grades, uh to both car

544
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: to both to Jermaine Johnson with a six point seven. Yeah. Um,

545
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: let's start off with the Gia Sanders um again add

546
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. We're talking about this player who has the

547
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: arm length, He's six ft five, UM. So when he's

548
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: coming around and he's and he's in his pass rush game,

549
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: he has the ability to really keep the offensive lineman

550
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: off of him. UM. So you see that despite his size,

551
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: he's got the good path level. He uses his hands

552
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: to keep players off of him. UM, and he can

553
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: mix up his past pass rush moves as a result,

554
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: um and get home through that. UM. So there's really

555
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: good upside as as the as a pass rusher because

556
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: of that ability. UM. The first step is good. It's

557
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: not the kind of crazy explosive that we see from

558
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: like a Thibodeau or somebody like that. Um. He's a

559
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: little bit light as he as he's coming out right now,

560
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: we haven't at just twenty eight, So you'd like to

561
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: see him get a little bit kind of more sand

562
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: in the pants um as you get him there. But really,

563
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: when when you when you picture where he's at kind

564
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: of a year from today, once he's had the chance

565
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: to kind of develop his body a little bit um

566
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: and get into the NFL level. I think he's an

567
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: ideal three four player, but he can do a three

568
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: four or a four three. UM, and he's gonna be

569
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: in an edge rush or a true edge defender using

570
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: his arm length to set the point of attack there

571
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: and then somebody who's also um gonna hopefully become, you know,

572
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: develop into a guy who's who's in that ten sack range. Um,

573
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: if everything can pan out, and then any Bari is

574
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of like a bigger guy, right He's he's too

575
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: fifty eight. He wins with power, He's got some length

576
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: to him. You know, He's the guy that I've kind

577
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: of had back and forth with Arnold um Ebu Ketty

578
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: from Penn State where you guys aren't quite as high

579
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: on as others. Can you like compare and contrast those

580
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: two guys a little bit, and when teams are trying

581
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: to soar through this, you know very deep you know,

582
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: middle half of his edge rusher class when you're trying

583
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: to make those types of decisions. Well, what we like

584
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: about any Bari that he's been able to put put

585
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: together that I think separates him a little bit is

586
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: is sort of the production on the field in a

587
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: lot of the metrics that we really care about, UH

588
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: in the past rush game so um, it doesn't always

589
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: show up in the basic stats, but as a pass

590
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: rusher for for the last three years, this is a

591
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: guy who's had a rating above nine despite the fact

592
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: that he's only been three and a half sacks five

593
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and a half sacks. UM. What we've seen in terms

594
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: of when he's been out there and had the opportunities,

595
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: his pressure rate has been very good when offensive schemes

596
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: have been doing things that are UM. You know, when

597
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: you removed out the three step drops and the r

598
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: p O s and some of the junk that gets

599
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: in the way of the sacks stats and some of

600
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: the final stats that that have their limitations, and you

601
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: look at what we call true pressure rate. This is

602
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: somebody who's really done an excellent job in that regard.

603
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: He drew six holds this year UM and and eleven

604
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: over the last three years. So UM, somebody who's making

605
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: a lot of plays that show up in in some

606
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: of our statists sticks that maybe don't show up in

607
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: terms of just the basic sacks and and things like that. UM.

608
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: Where we worry about him needs to work on the

609
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: run game anchor needs to get a little bit better

610
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: to make sure he can be on the field for

611
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: all three plays. But he's gonna be I think a

612
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: situational pass rusher from day one and I think he

613
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: grows into his starting level player now that that that

614
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: that's awesome And I got like at Bikini who I

615
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: think some people think probably is a little bit more

616
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: toolsy than an Nigbari. Did you guys just not see

617
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: as much consistent production out of him? Yeah, Um, I

618
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: think that that's fair. Um, I think that's a fair

619
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: way to look at him. Um. We when we turn

620
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: on the film there, Um, it was John Todd who

621
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: was our primary scout, and he he noted the tools.

622
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: He said, he saw the tools and he felt good

623
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: about it. But in terms of somebody the play strength

624
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: and along with the pass rush repertoire, those two things combined,

625
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: didn't see the frame where he was going to develop

626
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: into somebody who was really going to be able to

627
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: hold up like that. And it doesn't have this sort

628
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: of the length and some tools you know, like like

629
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: he's got the the arm length, but he doesn't always

630
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: utilize it in a way where he's getting home to

631
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback. So just in terms of the betting on

632
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: whether or not that polish is going to shine through

633
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: or not, it's it's just a different feeling in terms

634
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: of um, one guy where we feel like he's shown

635
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: it done a little bit more and and showing the

636
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: ability that that when we look into the advanced stats,

637
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: he can come there. Whereas when we looked at at

638
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: Bikini a little bit it was a kind of a

639
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: half step down. But that's that's a meaningful that's a

640
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: meaningful step when it's the difference between actually making it

641
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: onto the field to contribute or not. Absolutely a right,

642
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Let's let's do one more defensive spot here, Matt before

643
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Speaker 1: we jump back the offense real quick. Uh, We've talked

644
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Speaker 1: a lot about Devin Laud and the Kobe Deane, the

645
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Speaker 1: two top linebacker, So I'm gonna go to that next

646
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: group because I messies Maybe is just the wrong world,

647
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people see these guys

648
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Speaker 1: different ways because, as you know, linebacker is is a

649
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: very role based position. What you're asking these guys to

650
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: do when you have him on the field. The quay Walkers,

651
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: the Brian smo is the own clark Um, Christian Harris,

652
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Leo Chanel, Chad Mama, a small school guy like Troy Anderson.

653
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Speaker 1: How do you kind of separate that next group of

654
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: linebackers and you know what kind of roles do you

655
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: see for some of these guys that maybe you really like. Yeah,

656
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: So that's the thing with those first two guys you mentioned,

657
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: Lloyd and Dean, they have that three down ability. They

658
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: have the ability kind of in all phases where you're

659
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: not worried about them ever having to come off the field.

660
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: With these other guys that you're talking about, you you're

661
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: having to pick and choose different things that you either

662
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: like or that you or that are a little bit

663
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Speaker 1: of holes about them. So Quaig Rocker is a guy

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Speaker 1: you mentioned. The physical The physical traits there are really

665
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Speaker 1: really intriguing. Um, he's got the athletic profile like not

666
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Speaker 1: so not so unlike his his defensive line mate. Um,

667
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Speaker 1: he's somebody coming out of Georgia who just has a

668
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Speaker 1: lot of physical ability where I've even heard some scouts

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Speaker 1: say that they like him above into Kobe Dean just

670
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Speaker 1: because of the physical upside that he almost looks like

671
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Speaker 1: in Edge Russia. The way he the way he's build

672
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: is long. He's long, he's lanky. He kind of has

673
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: that look to him, you know, right, and Uh, he's

674
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: that body type. We've seen some guys that have had

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00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the success moving to the inside with that body type,

676
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of what you'd be looking for. Right.

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00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: You can see him mugg in the a gap, a

678
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: whole bunch, making making center's life pain in the butt.

679
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: I think that's what you look at um with that

680
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: sort of a player um flowing through. You know. Damon Clark,

681
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: he's another guy with a lot of length. Um, He's

682
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: another guy that I think could play any off ball

683
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Speaker 1: linebacker position. Unfortunately, he had a situation come up at

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Speaker 1: the combine where he had to have surgery and he's

685
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna miss the mind surgery. Yeah. So um, he's somebody

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Speaker 1: who I think, unfortunately, probably you know, maybe becomes a

687
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Speaker 1: value pick for somebody a little bit later on, but

688
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: not somebody that that's going to be in that same range,

689
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: although it might have been somebody that fit in a

690
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: little bit of that waywrok Remold in terms of really

691
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: high end physical traits um and just needs to kind

692
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: of iron out the rest of his game a little bit. Um.

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Speaker 1: You look at it, an Asamoa, this is what somebody

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Speaker 1: who you're gonna have to give a little bit in

695
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: terms of size, doesn't have the ideal size that you

696
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: look for for a linebacker. But this guy is just

697
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: all kinds of explosion. You talk about twitch, you talk

698
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: about somebody who's shot out of a cannon. Um, that's

699
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: what you're getting with with this sort of a player.

700
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Speaker 1: A little bit more uh in the Devin Bush mole,

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Speaker 1: thinking about a player of somebody who who came out

702
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Um, not somebody who I

703
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: think is going to be an ideal UH coverage player,

704
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Speaker 1: but somebody who just makes your entire defense faster. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the vision when you talk about player like him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think linebackers is probably, at least in my opinion,

707
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Speaker 1: and Mad you've been doing a lot longer than I have.

708
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Speaker 1: I think linebacker is a really difficult position to scout now,

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Speaker 1: just because I frank, I think it's one of the

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Speaker 1: most difficult positions to play in the league. Right. You

711
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: have to be able to cover, you got to be

712
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Speaker 1: able to blitz, you have to be able to stop

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Speaker 1: the run. You know, they designed these offenses now to

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Speaker 1: just put linebackers in the most difficult spots with these

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Speaker 1: running quarterbacks too. Right, there are so many things these

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Speaker 1: linebackers have to do and to figure out whether or

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00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: not they can based on very specific things are asked

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Speaker 1: to do in college and maybe not others. I just

719
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Speaker 1: think it's really really difficult. Yeah, you've got to make

720
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Speaker 1: sure you're getting somebody that fits what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a bit of why we've seen

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Speaker 1: a devaluation of the linebacker position. Offenses are doing so

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Speaker 1: many things with different personnel groupings to make it really

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Speaker 1: difficult to to have three linebackers on the field. That's

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Speaker 1: like hardly ever a thing that we see anymore. We

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Speaker 1: almost see more one linebacker than we see three linebackers

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Speaker 1: at this point, so um, it's not a position that

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Speaker 1: teams are emphasizing on their depth chart. And I think

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Speaker 1: really as we see the development of the league, the

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Speaker 1: more positionless you can be when you're playing, when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about your safeties, your overhanging players, your linebackers, the

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Speaker 1: more positionless you can be, the more of us of

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Speaker 1: a space you're gonna have in the modern NFL, because

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Speaker 1: unless you are that sort of position list player, offenses

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Speaker 1: can find a way to pick on you. And that's

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Speaker 1: Matt Matt a Charian, former NFL scot Vice president Football

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Speaker 1: and Research at Sports Information Solutions. Uh, Matt, let's go

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Speaker 1: back to the offensive side of the ball. Uh. The

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00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Giants probably are not going to pick a wide receiver early,

746
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Speaker 1: but I do want to ask you about one of

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Speaker 1: your early rankings here and wide receiver. You guys have

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00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: trail On Burke's at the top of your wide receiver rankings.

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, was maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: more popular a little bit earlier in the draft process

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00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: and not so much. Now. What do you guys love

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00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: so much about Trailon Barks that he's your wide receiver

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00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: number one? Yeah. Well, the good thing about our board

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: is that it's not going to change based on the combine.

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00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be based on on what we saw on

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00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: the film, UM, and what and what the advanced analytics

757
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: that that we're basing off that film study show. UM.

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00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: What we love about him is that this is a

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00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: guy who is when he's not open, he's still open.

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00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: He's got the sort of hands, the sort of catch

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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: radius UM and the ability to um make plays where

762
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: where like it's it's almost Deebo Samuel Light in a way. Um,

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00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: this is somebody who can can make plays on the

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00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: ball even even when he's completely covered. So we've seen

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Speaker 1: the production the way that he was used in that

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Speaker 1: Arkansas offense. You know, it's one thing to see these

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00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Alabama guys performing with the quarterbackers during them the ball

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Speaker 1: in the offense. This is somebody who completely transformed the

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Speaker 1: way the Arkansas offense was run. When he was on

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Speaker 1: the field. They were a different offense in every way

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00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: than they were without him. UM. And he's somebody that

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Speaker 1: the defense really had to account for with multiple people

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00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: UM all the time because the run after the catch

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Speaker 1: ability is so good. So he was at the top

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Speaker 1: of our total points rating in terms of what he

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Speaker 1: did is from a production standpoint as a receiver this year, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think that UM, he's somebody that it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: really hard to to press against him be because he's

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00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: just got so much size and strength built to him.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day. His contested catch

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00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: ability is there is the trait that stands out more

782
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: than anything else. Um, even when he's not open, he's open.

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Speaker 1: That's that's legitimately what I think you're talking about with

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Speaker 1: this guy. So I think he got some Mike Williams

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00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: to him. I think he got some of that UM

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00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: and we like him. Same tide is the same grade

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Speaker 1: I think with with with Jamison. If I if I

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Speaker 1: have my memory serves right. But the number one in

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Speaker 1: the ranking, yeah, you guys have him six point nine

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Speaker 1: on both guys, Jamison Williams is my number one. Why

791
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I love Jamison Williams by that guy is I mean,

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00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: he's so explosives. I'll tell you what though, when I

793
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: watched when I was watching film on Evan Neil, I

794
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: kept getting distracted by Bryce Young and Jamison Williams. Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young makes some downright distracting plays in a good way

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00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: where you're watching you're like, man, this guy can do

797
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: some things. Jamison Williams has, like I don't know if

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00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: you remember Ted Ginn was like when he was coming

799
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Speaker 1: out of Ohio State, but he would have these explosive

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00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: place he would do things you never saw before. Um,

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00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: just seemed like he was toying with the defense sometimes

802
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: and then he would also do some stuff that would

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00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: just drive your nuts, like how are you gonna drop

804
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: that ball? Like why are you running out? Why are

805
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: you running out of bounds over there? Like what what

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00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: happened to you? You're the turf monster, come and get

807
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: you on this play? Like what happened there? Um, So

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00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: he reminds me of that, and uh again, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a loaded comparison because he had such a bizarre

810
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: and long winding career. But Jamison Williams is one of

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Speaker 1: these guys where it's like the explosiveness and the upside,

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00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: it's it's enticing. Um, it's gonna need to see some

813
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, some seasoning. I think it's fair to say, yeah,

814
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: but I let me tell you, man, it's it's when

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Speaker 1: you put in the sec and you're by far the

816
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: best athlete on the field every time you play, and

817
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: it's not close that that's saying. So I think so

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00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: a couple of a couple of you know, you guys

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: have a deep wide receiver board here. It's gonna be

820
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: like this every year now, right with seven on seven

821
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Three guys that you seem to like

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00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more than others. Tell me why, and

823
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: we even talked about about him a bunch on these shows.

824
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Speaker 1: I'd love to get your take George Pickens, who I love,

825
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: who I think it could be a steel for the giants.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the second round you have him

827
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Speaker 1: even had a Drake London on on on your chart here,

828
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Speaker 1: which I think is is really interesting and I trust me,

829
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Speaker 1: I understand why when you watch him he's excellent and um.

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Speaker 1: Then a couple of other guys that you have here

831
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Speaker 1: that you also really like. I'll get to those in

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Speaker 1: the second but first I want you to focus a

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00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: little bit on Pickens and why you guys are so

834
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Speaker 1: high on him. Yeah. So, unfortunately was injured and so

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Speaker 1: missed a lot of this past year, um, which which

836
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: made him a little bit of a tougher evail. But

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Speaker 1: this is a guy that when he's been on the

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Speaker 1: field over the course of East each of the last

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Speaker 1: three years, he's been just an unbelievable big play threat

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00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: from one of these big body type receivers. So that's

841
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: where I think you get the interesting combination of skills

842
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: with him. He's not the like elite, elite contested catch

843
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: guy like we just talked about before, but he's he's

844
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: just one notch down from that. You're talking about a

845
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: six three guy, lots of lots of uh length and

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00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: and a and a big catch radius. But also know

847
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: he can run and when the ball is in the

848
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: air down the field, he has a really innate ability

849
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: to track the ball and win the ball at the catchpoint.

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00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: So that's the that's the trait that we look for

851
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: where we say, um, not the run after the catch.

852
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: So more so much as this guy is just a

853
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: problem running down the field on deep rats, and he's

854
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: somebody that that you can you can really trust in

855
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: those situations to have strong hands, to be able to

856
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: to do some things to get open in those situations. Uh.

857
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Not talking about the fastest guy in the world, but

858
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: certainly has enough speed and um, the the abilities that

859
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: he show are are valuable enough. And then if he

860
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: can kind of develop his route tree out and show

861
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: the ability to kind of be able to do a

862
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: little bit more things there, then I think there's gonna

863
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 1: become a sort of limitless potential in terms of where

864
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: you can use him and what he what he can

865
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: become in terms of a run after the catch guy,

866
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: a possession guy in addition to having that most important ability, UM,

867
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the big body, the speed and and the and the

868
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: tracking ability to go and get the ball down the field. Um.

869
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: That that's huge. In today's NFL, talk about another guy

870
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: that's had to overcome injuries. Justin Ross had a clums in.

871
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: You guys have him right, there's your forty best player,

872
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: which I think is probably a lot higher than most others.

873
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: Why why do we have Justin Ross rated higher than

874
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: other people? I have to I have to figure out

875
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: why those other people have him rated uh so much

876
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: lower than um. But he's he's at that six point

877
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: seven grade range. Right. I mentioned there are about forty

878
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: players that that we would say that are in that

879
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: in that strong starter plus range. We think that you know,

880
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: when you get that six point seven, that's an indication

881
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: that we're saying, if this guy is your number two receiver,

882
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: then you've got a really good receiver room. Um. He's

883
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: a guy again like these first couple that we've talked about,

884
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: can win the contested catches. Big body guy at six

885
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: ft four UM. The combination of size and athleticism that

886
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: that he can contribute. He has had the injury history,

887
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: so the injury concerns are something that are was gonna

888
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: bring people down. And I'll remind again we're showing that

889
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: he's forty overall. That's not considering the injury risk. We

890
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: let we let doctors and other people worry about that. Um,

891
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: but a guy that when he's been out there, he's

892
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: been a really consistent producer for them. UM not somebody

893
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: who's like an incredible separator. And that's why I think

894
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: we separate him from being a number one guy in

895
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: the way that some of these other guys are. But UM,

896
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: like we said, when if he's your number two, he's

897
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: doing some some really spectacular things, showing the ability to

898
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: kind of go up above people make some catches. Um

899
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: got some twitch in his sort of route running ability,

900
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: and even without having a good quarterback play and dealing

901
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: with the the injury that he dealt with throughout this

902
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: past year, we think that he's a starting level receiver

903
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: who can kind of do some things ideally lining up

904
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: on the outside, but also could potentially become like a

905
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: big slot candidate as well if the Giants want to

906
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: try to find you know, just an average NFL starting

907
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: tight end that you can plug in feel good about him,

908
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, end the day to beginning a day three.

909
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys you like that can

910
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe do a little bit of everything? Um interesting position.

911
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna find him like an

912
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: ideal um starter that that kind of has like the

913
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: all around ability, But there are some exciting players and

914
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: the and the first guy, the top guy on our board,

915
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: and the guy that I'm most excited about is Isaiah Likely.

916
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: He's coming out of Coastal Carolina, so a little bit

917
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: off the beaten path there. But this dude is just

918
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: an athlete. Uh. He's talked about somebody who was productive

919
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: as a receiver this year. He's like a borderline slot

920
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: receiver in kind of the way that he's used. Like

921
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: if you think about like a like a Mike Kasecki

922
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: type of thing. He's He's an h not somebody that

923
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna want lining up in a three point stance,

924
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: even though he does have that that frame at six

925
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: ft five, He's not somebody who's gonna sustain blocks. You'd

926
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: be choosing a guy who's a difference maker in the

927
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: past team and not somebody who's gonna be a difference

928
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: maker in the run game here, but the size and

929
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: sort of mismatchability that he brings with him. Um, the

930
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: way that he ranks so well in terms of his

931
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: ability to create can miss tackles after the catch. Um.

932
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: And like I mentioned before, his production as a receiver. Yes,

933
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: it's at Coastal Carolina, but this guy is fun to

934
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: watch as a receiver when you flip the film on.

935
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Very good. All right, let's as we closed here, the

936
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: Giants need to fix our offensive line mat and that's

937
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a big focus. Then we talked about your

938
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: tackles at the top of the class. If you're looking

939
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: at the top around two round three, let's do offensive

940
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: tackles first. Is this a deep enough class where you

941
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: might be able to find somebody in those areas that

942
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: can come in and you know, be okay in year

943
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: one and develop into something a little bit more. Yeah,

944
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: I think you've got some. You've got some solid candidates there,

945
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: probably in the day to range. Um. At this point,

946
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: it's looking like Trevor Penning is gonna come off in

947
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: in round one. Um, But a couple of guys that

948
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I look at kind of right after him on the

949
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: board there, Tyler Smith. If he's available in the second round,

950
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a huge value play right there. Um,

951
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: this is somebody who's a young prospect, but he's got

952
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: the body, the frame, the strength, UM, the athletic upside

953
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: that you look forward to be a high level tackle

954
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: in the league and could really grow into a plus player.

955
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Do you have to start him a guard you thing

956
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: man and then move him outside? If the can start

957
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: year one a tackle, I think he can start year

958
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: one a tackle. I think you'd be dealing with some

959
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: growing pain certainly when you talk about um starting him

960
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: out there. But I do think he's somebody that that

961
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: projects best as a right tackle UM, and I think

962
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: he's got enough length to be there on the outside

963
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: where like I mentioned before, sometimes just moving guys inside

964
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: can make things. Uh, things can move really quickly in there,

965
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: and for a guy with less experience like him, I'd

966
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: be more keen to kind of keep him where he's

967
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: already comfortable. But I do think that if he starts

968
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: struggling in space out there, if he's if if you

969
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: see some of the grabbiness he has had, uh, you know,

970
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: some issues in that regard through his career so far.

971
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: That could be an option that you end up moving

972
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: him inside. But but I'd be hesitant in that regard. Um,

973
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: he's been left tackle. I I wouldn't feel comfortable comfortable

974
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: starting him there right away. But I do think he

975
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: can be a right tackle. And he's a guy that

976
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: that showed out pretty well in terms of UMM bringing

977
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: things on the field this year. All right, then let's

978
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: go inside. Let's look at guards, centers. Maybe who's some

979
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: of the guys you like again? Round two, Round three? Um,

980
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a super deep class based on

981
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: your board here and in some of your grades that

982
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: you can plug and play. Bring him in. Feel good

983
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: about this guy being a guard or center for you

984
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: on day two? Yeah, on day two, I think that's tough.

985
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Linder bombs the center that that you know everybody knows

986
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: about that we really like there. There are a couple

987
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: of guys that, um, if they're available there. You know,

988
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: you never know where guys will get drafted and where

989
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: guys will fall. Um, but I do think that that's

990
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: accurate that after you get past probably the top well

991
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: let's say four prospects in the draft, three four guys. Um,

992
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: there is a bit of a drop off, and you

993
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: start to talk about guys that, um, maybe you can

994
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: slide them in his guard and if you have somebody

995
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: really good playing next to them, you can get by

996
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: with them in there. But not not a lot of

997
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: people that have both the athletic upside and the polish

998
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: in their game where they're gonna walk onto the field

999
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: and and be really ideal players there. So UM, I

1000
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: think that Um, for all the depth that you see

1001
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: at corner at edge in this year's draft, it's harder

1002
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: to say the same thing about the interior offensive lineman. Matt.

1003
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how great this website is before

1004
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I get your prediction for the Giants here, just tell

1005
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: the volks one more time where they can find your

1006
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: guys rankings at Sports Information Solutions and and anything else

1007
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: you guys want to put out there, because I'm I've

1008
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: been going through it while as we doing this interview,

1009
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: and the profiles and the board and and just the

1010
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: slickness of it is is really really nice. Yeah, well,

1011
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: I should direct you over to the Giants team page

1012
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: because that's a cool place to check out. To recite,

1013
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: the site is NFL Draft dot sports in post solutions

1014
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: dot com, so NFL Draft dot Sports Info solutions dot com.

1015
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: If you can't remember that, hit us up on the

1016
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: Twitter page search for it. I'm sure. I'm sure it

1017
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: won't be too hard. But what you get there you

1018
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: get all the stuff that makes you The g M

1019
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: player pages where you have all the stats, all the analytics,

1020
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: along with the NFL style scatting reports for each of

1021
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: these players. You can see things ranked out in the

1022
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: big board as we've been talking about. You can also

1023
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: see leaderboards of all the different advanced stats at each position. UM.

1024
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: And one really cool thing that I want to draw

1025
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: your attention to is if you click over on the

1026
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: NFL teams dropped down, you drop into the Giants page.

1027
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: You can see all sort of different information about them. Um.

1028
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: You can see even though they won four games last year,

1029
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: our s I s war metric would have expected them

1030
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: to only win two games last year. Uh. If you

1031
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: can see that they ranked twenty seven out of thirty

1032
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: second in terms of their decision making. That's like fourth

1033
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: down decision makings and things like that, which I'm sure

1034
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: surprises you because twenty seven sounds way too high. Um,

1035
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: but on the on the sonar depth chart, that's the

1036
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: feature that I think is the coolest. You can look

1037
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: at the Giants roster as it's ends now and you

1038
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: can see a color coded depth chart where you can see, Okay,

1039
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: we are a little bit stronger at wide receiver, we

1040
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: feel good about one of the quarter cornerback slots, we

1041
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: feel good about one of the linebacker slots, but a

1042
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of the rest of the positions, a lot of

1043
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: weakness on the offensive line, obviously not feeling great about

1044
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, needs some upgrades on the defensive line.

1045
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: You can see all of that there. You can click

1046
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: around on the different players, and you can get a

1047
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: sense of what the death books like at each position

1048
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: there um, and you can use that to help guide

1049
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: you in terms of I'm never gonna be a proponent

1050
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: of need based drafting, but you can get a better

1051
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: understanding at least of what your team is doing now,

1052
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: so you can understand a little bit more um where

1053
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: you where you want to improve, and where you're hoping

1054
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: to get better. And Matt I said, I was gonna

1055
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: ask you about the gihnt's predictions, but I forgot I

1056
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: gotta ask you about the quarterbacks real quick. You don't

1057
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: have anyone in your top thirty two here, right, I

1058
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: mean I see a couple of six points six grades

1059
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: bellies apps, the six point three um. Just give you

1060
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: an old quick overview of of the quarterback class. And

1061
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: when you think one of these guys should go, not

1062
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: necessarily when they will go. Yep. Our number one quarterback

1063
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: is Malik Willis. He's a lot of people's number one quarterbacks.

1064
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: We've got him at the same grade range as a

1065
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, even though they're very different prospects. Uh, this

1066
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: is a tough year for quarterbacks because there's really the

1067
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Speaker 1: one guy, I think, Malik Willis, who has the physical

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Speaker 1: ability and upside that gets you really excited. But the

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Speaker 1: film is very messy right now. This is not somebody

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00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: who's who's near ready to come in as a passer.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna need much more polish even than Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: did coming in as a passer. Um to give a

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00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: comparison there, but you know, he's about the only person

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Speaker 1: I'd feel putting in the same sentence with Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: is from a from an athleticism standpoint, like Malik Willis

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Speaker 1: has some athletic traits that there reminds me of Michael

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Speaker 1: Vick in some ways, because he's he's got some really

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Speaker 1: good athletic ability as a runner, and he's got that

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Speaker 1: armed talent where he could just fire an absolute cannon

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Speaker 1: on the run. Um. So the the armed talent and

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00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: the and the special traits, I think, um, he gets

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Speaker 1: helped by the fact that players like Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes have come in and so quickly become some

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Speaker 1: of the best players in the NFL. They were guys

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Speaker 1: that came in maybe with some question marks that developed

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00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: really well into high end players. So sort of the

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Speaker 1: ability to to kind of teach accuracy, which is starting

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00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: to become more of a thing than it ever was

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Speaker 1: back when I was coming up as a scout. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's what I think plays into Malik Willis and is

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Speaker 1: the reason why there's a team that's going to talk

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Speaker 1: themselves into drafting him very high. I think, um, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you know, somewhere around the number ten pick range, I

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Speaker 1: think we see him plus or minus there end up

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Speaker 1: going even though he's just, like you said, the top

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Speaker 1: quarterback on our board, but just the forty second ranked

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Speaker 1: player on our board. We have some running backs that

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Speaker 1: we have ranked above him, uh to blasphem the the

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Speaker 1: analytics community. Besides that, there's guys can he Pickett. I

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Speaker 1: think he's pretty ready made. I think he can come

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Speaker 1: in and be a sort of decent uh like like

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Speaker 1: a replacement level NFL starter right now. But I think, um,

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Speaker 1: it's it. You'd be hard pressed to find a high

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00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: upside with him. And going back to what I was

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00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: just talking about, when you're looking at Mahomes play against

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00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: Josh allen in in the in the championship game, how

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00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: am I going to compete with those guys? When I'm

1108
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: just bringing it, Kenn, you think it to the equation

1109
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: um similar things. You know, Sam Howell, he really gets

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00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: hurt because this guy's like Baker Mayfield. Let you watch him,

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00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: and it's hard not to see Baker Mayfield and Baker

1112
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: had you know, the worst season of his career, and

1113
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: the stock has never been lower on him. Uh. He

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00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: drops a little bit there. Desmond Ritters a guy that

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00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: I was the primary email on. UM. I think he's

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00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: got you know, really nice, polished He's a great decision maker.

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Speaker 1: He kind of is everything that I love about a quarterback.

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00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: He does. He does really well, but the arm talent,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's there. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: has the accuracy or arm strength to be uh an

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00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. You know, the release is inconsistent, the ball

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00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: comes out differently. Maybe he's one of these guys that

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00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: can learn that trade, like we've talked about with some

1124
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: players in the past. But but but I'd be surprised there.

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Speaker 1: I see him more as an ideal backup than somebody

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00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: that that I've been on in that regard. So, uh,

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00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, Matt Correll another guy where we gotta

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Speaker 1: see what he looks like coming out of that that

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Speaker 1: old miss system and actually getting into a real NFL offense.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be the big test with him. Good athlete,

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00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: not not a Malik Willis athlete, but but somebody that

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Speaker 1: can play in there. These guys are on the mix.

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00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: These guys are all I think are Day two guys.

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00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: I think in an ideal world. But um, the way

1135
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: things go. You know, we know quarterbacks rightfully are the

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00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: most valued position, and so you're going to value them

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00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: a little bit higher and they're gonna get They're gonna

1138
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Speaker 1: get pushed up the draft board. For that reason, UM,

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time with the upside for any

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00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: of them too to be super Bowl level contending quarterbacks. Um,

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00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: with the exception of Malik Willis, who who has the

1142
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: lowest floor to to go along with it? No, man,

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Speaker 1: I think you're analysis is the right spot on. All right,

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00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: real quick before we say goodbye, UM, give me the

1145
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: ideal situation. If you're trying to set the Giants up

1146
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: here for future success, walk away from five and seven,

1147
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: where are you going to be really happy? Well, I

1148
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta start off by saying anytime that you have a

1149
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: trade down possibility and you can collect even more. That

1150
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: was one thing good old, good old Dave was good

1151
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: about actually, um gathering some extra picks there. So I'm

1152
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: always a fan of that. But UM, I do think

1153
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: that the draft shakes out where at number five, if

1154
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: you can grab any of those top three prospects that

1155
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: I've talked about, any of those blue chippers are available,

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00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that I reach out for and

1157
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: grab um. And then secondly, I think you'll feel really good,

1158
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: uh kind of knowing that if you want to go

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00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: tackle there. Evan Neil Charles Cross Ecan mcgwenney. One of

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00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: them is going to be available, maybe multiple of them

1161
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: are going to be available. UM. So I think that

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00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: would be a really strong pick. On the other side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. Uh, we talked about a couple of corners,

1164
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about a couple of edge players. I

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00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: think those are the value positions where you want to

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00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: go as well. So who's dropping to me? Uh? You know,

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00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: is it? Is it Stingley? Is it? Uh? My guard? Uh? Okay,

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00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy with those guys at corner. If it's a

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00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux, I think that's that's maybe an ideal scenario, UM,

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00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: to be able to get somebody with that kind of

1171
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: upside that could come in and help your pass rush.

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Speaker 1: So UM, I think you feel really good about sitting

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00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: tight right where you are guaranteeing yourself two of the

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00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: top seven players in the draft, um, and maybe two

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00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: of the top five players on your board. As things

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00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: tend to tend to shake out, UM. But then, like

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Speaker 1: I said, if there's anybody that's you know, if we

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00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: start to see uh, Kyle Hamilton's drop and all of

1179
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: a sudden he's there at number seven, and then there's

1180
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: somebody coming calling you up at number eleven, saying hey,

1181
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: we want to move up and give you our number

1182
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: one pick next year. Two. Then that's the gift that

1183
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: keeps on giving. So I'm always I'm always listening when

1184
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Speaker 1: that's the when that's the offer, Matt, I'm with you.

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00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: I agree, Matt. Matt, Matt Matti charian at Matt Mannow

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Vice president Football and Reacharchs and Sports Information Solutions.

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Speaker 1: Go check it out, folks, Just go back, get the

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Speaker 1: link Matt talked about. It's fantastic, Matt. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You always spend about an hour with us before every draft.

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Speaker 1: It's great information. Thanks so much for the time, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. That's NFL Draft dot sports in post

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Speaker 1: Solutions dot com. Yeah. Check it out, folks. It really

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Speaker 1: is fantastic. From Madam John Schmilk. We'll see you next

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