1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Move to six podcasts. I am Bucky 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: Brooks and I got my man standing there for DJ 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Lance there like my man. I see what's going on? 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: What's up? Buck? How's the uh? How's some are treating 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: you right now? I mean summer is good. I mean 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: we're in the middle of all sports. Everything is on 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: im prop and we've got um NBA playoffs and full 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: of fact, we're gonna talk about um some of the 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: crossover trades that we look for that we've been able 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: to see revealed in the playoffs in the NBA NHL 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: playoffs in full of eag Baseball is going so everything 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: is buzzing. We got a month before football teas up, 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: so things are good. Trying to squeezing maybe a vacation 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: or so. So how did how did you like football 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: in the spring? Um? Different different I liked it, but 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with your lands. Like my my 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: my personal calendar was all out of whack because I'm 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: not used to coaching football while doing the draft stuff, 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: so I was on fumes for a little bit. But 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: it was good. It's fun. I actually liked being able 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: to turn on the TV and see a bunch of 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: these games. Um, we saw a bunch of HBCU games. 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Dion his crew sort of swag going in full of fact. Um, 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: So I thought that stuff was good. But I am 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: ready to get back to a normal calendar because I 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: think it would be a lot easier from an evaluation 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: standpoint to kind of get back to doing what we've 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: always done. Yeah, and uh, you know, from a body 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: clock standpoint, we just are so used to the schedule 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: of football, basketball, baseball, you know, for for whatever. You know, 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: some people are hockey, some people more into college football 33 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: than the NFL, whatever the case may be. But um, 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: it is nice to get back into it. But you know, 35 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: as a house a sports talk show, so we're talking, um, 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of playoff basketball, not with the Rockets. 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: Obviously we have nothing to do with the playoffs. We're 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: all excited about the draft lottery now, like, come on, 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: please get the top four or you lose that first 40 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: trop pick. It conveys outside of the top for But 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: something that that been watching the NFL, um rather watching 42 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs right now, Bucky, is that you know, 43 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: you see a guy like Chris Paul whose mental toughness 44 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: and preparation and basketball character has was I thought it 45 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: was transformative in Houston. Well, I thought it was transformative 46 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: with the Clippers, and then with the Rockets. People forget 47 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: they had sixty five wins, they were one seed, the 48 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: best the organization has ever done. Then he made Oklahoma 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: City a playoff team. Then he comes to the Suns, 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's an interesting jump off point in 51 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, do we still I know we 52 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: talked about football character every year, but when I watched 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: basketball and football, you see that sometimes it's not always 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: as readily available. And maybe you get that working with 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: younger people that sometimes they've got a lot to contend 56 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: with other than just digging in and doing the work. 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: There's brand recognition, and there's so many different things. Let's uh, 58 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: let's talk for a second about that competitive nature that 59 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: we're seeing in the world of basketball and and the 60 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: veteran presence and and the work that's put in um 61 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: if you had a chance as a coach or as 62 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: an evaluator as a GM, where are you? Where's Bucky 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: the GM placing a football character and the grit and 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: determination and professionalism versus those explosive traits that we always 65 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: talk about. You know, toughness is everything, uh Land some 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: big believer in effort and toughness. It goes a long way. 67 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure, Like when you talk to your dad, your 68 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: dad has had those scrappio offensive lineman who probably couldn't 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: stand up straight and do all that other stuff, but 70 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: they're they're tough as nail as they find a way 71 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: to kind of get the job done. When you talk 72 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: about a guy like Chris Paul's right, you talked Chris Paul, 73 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you talked about this transformative leadership ability, I think it matters, man. 74 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I think when you look at a guy like Tom Brady, right, 75 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: tom Brady going down to Tampa, and we can say 76 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: what Tom Brady is. Tom Brady as a player is 77 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: no longer the player that he was very early in 78 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: New England. Like he doesn't have the same arm, talent, 79 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: arm strength, all of that other stuff, but what he 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: has in in in droves, he has the leadership ability. 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: He has the ability to get everyone to believe that 82 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: the team is good enough. Individually, they're good enough when 83 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: it comes to preparing and being resilient enough to win 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: games and guys buy in. And so when you look 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: at Chris Paul and what he's been able to do, 86 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: you talked about those other places, but like looking at 87 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: Phoenix Man and how they talk about in Game one 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: where he's texting his brother and his brother is barking 89 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: out UM instructions from the course side seat that he 90 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: was on, you can just tell how he's put his 91 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: his mark on the team. I think when we're evaluating 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: in normal times, you want to be able to go 93 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: to games, You want to be able to talk to 94 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: people to kind of get a feel for those blue 95 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: chip players. How do they impact the team beyond just 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: their production. Do they have some extra stuff that they 97 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: bring as leaders? Yeah, And I think from a star 98 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: potential look at UM. It doesn't have to come from 99 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: the stars. You can have impact players and leaders all 100 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: over the field, but it's so much better when it does. 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: I think having the star players as your dogs, as 102 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: your alpha's um. They don't have to be Alpha one, 103 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: they don't have to be Dog one, but when they are, 104 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna set the tone across the board. Not just 105 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: in any sport, but in any locker room. And when 106 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: you're talking about the NFL, I mean we're talking about 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: you can say there's fifty three. We know there's many, 108 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: many more than that. But Bucky talked about the component 109 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: being in a locker room. There is still an offensive 110 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: side and there is still a defensive side. How much 111 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: from an evaluation standpoint, do you have to worry about 112 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: getting leaderships on both sides? Or is it a situation 113 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: you think in locker rooms when it comes to putting 114 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: together a team that you can have one that's over 115 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: the entire locker room or two that's over the entire 116 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: locker room. Is it split up? Is there an offensive 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: team and a defensive team you have to worry about? Yeah, 118 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: the NFL locker room is so different, right because you 119 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: do have guys that are kind of on their own units. Right, 120 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: do your three units and almost operate independently. You have 121 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: your offensive, defensive, and your special teams. Um, your offensive guys, 122 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean they may or may not intermingle much with 123 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: defensive guys just because of the nature of your meetings 124 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: and everything. You're always together. Um, it's different than high school, 125 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: where you know everyone kind of plays both ways. Defensively, 126 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: you you don't pay attention to the offense, you kind 127 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: of focus on your own job and what you have 128 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: to do. But I will say this, Um, when you 129 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: get to the nuts and bolts of you get to 130 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: the preseason games, you get into the games, the offense 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: is on the field and the defensive guys maybe up 132 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: on the sideline kind of looking and seeing what's going on. 133 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: And when you have a handful of players that are 134 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: impact players, they really will I mean they're really invested 135 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: in how those guys perform and what they do. And 136 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: then when it comes to like the quarterback, the one 137 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: thing that we always talked about and this is kind 138 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: of the standard when it comes to quarterback play, does 139 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: a quarterback give you a chance? And that optimism, that 140 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: optimism comes from the fact that if the defense is 141 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: in man, if we can just get a stop, we 142 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: get the ball back, X Y and Z can bring 143 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: us back. Hey, we just need to get it. Hey, 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: we just need to get it to him in a 145 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: two minute drill. He can he can get it done. Um. 146 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: That belief is really what you're looking for when you're 147 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: evaluating and you're deciding if a guy as a franchise 148 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: quarterback or not, does he raise the level of optimism 149 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: that the team is going to win with all the chips. 150 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: So now I can I can cross over something here. 151 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: It's interesting. I was part of a group here in 152 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: Houston having a lunch and meeting with Jared Steadham, who 153 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: was at that time deciding whether or not he wanted 154 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: to come out of Auburn. Ultimately he went back and 155 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: I was in there. Um, the president of the Rockets 156 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: knows me, and he knows me from doing draft stuff. 157 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: He knows me from doing radio whatever. Uh, and that's 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: his now his his current father in law is the 159 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: former president of the Houston Rockets. So that's why we 160 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: were in there. So it's me, it's Jeff Van Gundhy. 161 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: I walk into this room and I think it's just me. Instead, 162 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick it like Atlants. I want you to 163 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: come in and talk to Jared. I'm like, cool, cool, Well, 164 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm walking into Vick and Anthony Steakhouse, getting 165 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: ready to get my steak on, and I'm gonna talk 166 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: to Jerry and tell him what's up. And then all 167 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I walk into the room and it's 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Dan Gundy, Daryl Morey, Ted Johnson. You remember Ted Johnson, 169 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: the NFL Super Bowl winner from the Patriots, and coming 170 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: in right behind me. I didn't even see him behind me, 171 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: like three seconds later Chris Paul. So Chris walks in. 172 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: We all sit down, and I'm like, damn, it was 173 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: some heavy hit. What am I doing in here? And 174 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: so the conversation is, you know, like you know, Darryl 175 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: Moorey has got his opinion, which is gonna be well 176 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: find well from the number standpoint, you start your career 177 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: now and you're earning potential starts. But Chris Paul told 178 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: him something very interesting, and I thought I just gained 179 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: so much respect from Chris just listening to him in 180 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: this meeting. He said, look, I could have left Wake 181 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: for us when I was a freshman, but I wasn't ready. 182 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: I was still looking at these NBA guys is like 183 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: I was idolizing them. I wanted to, you know, be 184 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: near them and take pictures at them. And you know, 185 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: it was that whole concept. And he said, I need. 186 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: I knew that I needed to get to a point 187 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: where I saw myself on their level. And he said, Jared, 188 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: if you are not ready to walk in and take 189 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: on the responsibility of helping a thirty one year old 190 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: player who's on the verge of being out of the 191 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: league get his last chance at a at a playoff 192 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: run or a title, or whatever the case. If you're 193 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: not ready to tell a grown man in the in 194 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: the in the year old who has been in the 195 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: league six years, ready to take a leadership role and 196 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: tell him that he's doing something wrong and he needs 197 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: to do differently on the field, or if you're not 198 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: ready to to rally the troops where they believe in 199 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: your positivity on the field, he said, then you need 200 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: to go back to college because you've gotta be ready 201 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: go have fun in college, but you've got to be 202 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: ready to lead grown men. And that is a very 203 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: difficult task. And he said, you know to this day 204 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: and eight, I mean to this time, Bucky Chris Paul 205 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: said when he has young players come up and like, hey, Chris, 206 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: can I get a picture? You are my favorite? He's like, yeah, absolutely, 207 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: because he knows he's just gonna bust him up. I know, 208 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: I know, I got him before the game. When they're 209 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: coming up taking pictures, they don't have the dog in 210 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: him yet. They don't know what it's about. And uh, 211 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting listening to his perspective because 212 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Ted Johnson talked about young Tom Brady and he said, 213 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: and the question was asked, what was Tom Brady like? 214 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: He said, we thought he was some goofy kid. He's 215 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: a six rounder out of Michigan. He's like, come on, guys, 216 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: we gotta do this, and the same thing you would 217 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: think Tom Brady would do. But then he started backing 218 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: it up with some of his play and they started 219 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: seeing flashes and he said, you know, Tom was ready 220 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: to take on that role. He wasn't ready as a 221 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: quarterback just yet physically, but he was ready as a 222 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: leader to take on that role. And I just thought 223 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: that was so interesting getting the perspective of Chris Paul 224 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: and then Ted Johnson's vantage point as a veteran, as 225 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: one of those veterans of saying, who is this young 226 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: punk quarterback trying to you know, yell at up on 227 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: the huddles? But it was real like they bought into it, 228 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: and and uh, I think what you said is right, 229 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: and you know, it turns out Tom Brady is one 230 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: of the greatest. Just like you talked about Tom Brady. 231 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers are two guys that you just don't want 232 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: them to get the ball back in the fourth quarter. 233 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: You want to have the ball last. You don't want 234 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: them to have the ball last. No, And I think 235 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: when you find a guy like that, it's it's really 236 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: really hard to move on from him, you know. And 237 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: so when I think about the Aaron Rodgers situation, and 238 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: we can talk about a lot of it, but Aaron 239 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: rodgers best leadership qualities are his performance and production. You know, 240 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: his ability to make plays when everyone knows a play 241 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: needs to be made, He's consistently delivered that. When you 242 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: started stacking those things up and you start putting those 243 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: things on the resume, you create this aura about you 244 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: that makes you a little different than everybody else in 245 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: the locker room. And I think some of the stuff 246 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: that we're seeing in Green Bay, where while maybe the 247 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: pack is it being so patient with Aaron Rodgers doing 248 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: this whatever it is that we're doing in the off season, 249 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: is because they know how specially is and they know 250 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: what he brings to the table when he does get 251 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: the ball in those critical moments, I see, I see 252 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: the window closing on them, Bucky, if they if they 253 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: were to move Aaron Rodgers, no disrespect to Jordan's love, 254 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: but that's basically your window of opportunity to win because 255 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: this year, the way I see the NFC, I still 256 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: think it's open for Green Bay to have a legitimate chance, 257 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, to go to a Super Bowl again. I 258 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: I still think that, you know, things do fall in 259 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: their favor to an extent. I do think some things 260 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: are gonna be a little different with the Rams now 261 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: potentially with the Cowboys, maybe with the Bears, so there 262 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: could be some differences. But um, I think moving Aaron Rodgers, 263 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: even if it becomes best for the team, if you 264 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: feel like that's the case, you basically closed the window 265 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: on your chance to your your window closed and it's 266 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: not going to reopen until you have a different iteration. 267 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. I mean, here's he's a tough thing 268 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: about the Packers because the packist in the last two 269 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: years or what and six during the regular season thirteen 270 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: and three, when he plays at m v P level 271 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: thirteen and three, when he doesn't play at m vv level, um, 272 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: so the team around him is solid. I would say 273 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: the reason why he played at m v P level 274 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: has something to do with him, but also more to 275 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: do with him really bowing down and accepting the structured 276 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: offense that Matt la floor was putting in because as 277 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: an older player, as an older player, you need more structured, 278 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: more support. Matt Lafleur recognizes that. And as Aaron Rodgers 279 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: being maybe the most talented quarterback they ever played in 280 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: the cinema outside of John Elway, we saw what kind 281 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: of results it can produce. Now what I would like 282 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: to see is what what's next? What's what's what's next 283 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: for them? How do they continue to expand out this offense? 284 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: Like what can they do it? Aaron Jones? What can 285 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: they do it? Developing one of these other receivers. But 286 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: it would be interesting because the team is good enough 287 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: to go. But there the city and everyone is kind 288 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: of hanging onto a thread with the Aaron Rodgers decision 289 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: and he's gonna go to Jeopardy, He's gonna do this 290 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: and that, and I don't know. It's hard for me 291 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: having played up there, having known the tradition up there 292 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: and men it's title town. Like when you look up 293 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: and you walk into stadium, Bars Starr and Rad Niskey 294 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: and Reggie White and Bret Haard. There a bunch of 295 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: great players that have played there and so the organization 296 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: has never bent for a player like that, so it'd 297 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: be interesting. Um, it's like you know what Jeopardy Like, 298 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: that's a real thing. We have to say. Now, who knows, Yeah, 299 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: we don't know. Maybe he'll end up going to Jeopardy, 300 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: Like he's not going, He's gonna, he's gonna. He's gonna 301 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: play in Green Bay. But it's funny you talked about 302 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: the toughness. Here's what I need to see. I need 303 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: to see Mad Lafloor show more toughness. When they when 304 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: they questioned about Aaron Rodgers, that need to be like, hey, 305 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, like we love to have my guy, but 306 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: we gotta get we gotta get Jordan Love ready. We 307 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: gotta be ready. You never know. I mean Aaron Rodgers 308 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: could get a cold and not be at the play. 309 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: So we gotta be able to play without number twelve. Um, 310 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: when I hear him, though, I get the woe is 311 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: me and I'm just like, come on, man, you've got 312 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: a little toughness, Like can you coach without number twelve? 313 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: And number twelve is not there? He is a hangnail anything, 314 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: So toughness more toughness from next up, next up? Um, 315 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: you know impact, You're you're talking about the different players, 316 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: you know. I think a big, big, potential part of 317 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: green based success this year, maybe even getting him over 318 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: the hump, could be a rookie and Amari Rodgers. And 319 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list, Bucky of of impact rookies 320 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: and I think Amari Rodgers one of those guys outside 321 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: the first round. He was selected in the third round, 322 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: I believe it was. He strikes me Bucky as a 323 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: guy that could be a high impact rookie. If Aaron 324 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: Rodgers is in the fold and plane, I feel like 325 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: he can take over that job that Randall Cobb had 326 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: for years and could be that that high volume rookie, 327 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: relatively high volume rookie that could end up having an 328 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: impact on the team. Could you see him as an 329 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: impact rookie. I mean, we're gonna go through a list 330 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: of some impact rookies, but here's one outside of the 331 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: first and even say around, Yeah, I like it more Rogers. 332 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: And the reason why I like him is because he 333 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: does something that they haven't had in a few years. 334 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: That's someone that could work the middle of the field. Uh. 335 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: When you think about the success that ahead and I 336 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: go back to I would say maybe the best version 337 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: of the receivers they had when they had Cob Jordy Nelson, 338 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: James Jones. Uh, you can throw it in because Rid 339 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: Jennings was in and out the lineup them. But what 340 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: they had is the ability to really work in the 341 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: middle of the field, windows one on ones, on slants 342 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: and quick things and the ball was out. Um. If 343 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: for Maria Rodgers is able to do some of that 344 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: stuff and move with the chains and maybe give me 345 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: ten eleven yards per cats, I feel really good about 346 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: them putting up big numbers like they've always done. On offense, 347 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Who do you see is the most impactful rookie running back. 348 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: I know Naja Harris is gonna be probably the de 349 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: facto number one for everyone that would make the most sense. 350 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: But I just I feel like Javonte Williams and Denver 351 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: has a real chances to get a much heavier workload 352 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: than people think. I mean, Javonte Williams is a dude. 353 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Now he runs. They're hard and just physical. Uh, This 354 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: offense is gonna give them an opportunity to get to 355 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: the second level on some some easy runs and then 356 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: you'll see if he can take a distance or break tackle. 357 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: So it's look, he's a very very difficult running back 358 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: to defend. In the offense they're really is gonna mask 359 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: it up. A lot of it depends on how good 360 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback is. If the quarterback is good enough to 361 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: remove one of the defenders of the box, he gotta field, 362 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: So it a lot of it depends on that. And 363 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: it's funny because you brought Javonte Williams up and we 364 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit about Naja Harris, but I 365 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: think Naja Harris is the one that's really gonna be 366 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: an impact layer. They haven't had a runner like this 367 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: since Levan Bill in his print, Like in terms of 368 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: a legitimate, big time running back that has receiving skills, 369 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: I would anticipate him doing all of that Levyan Bill 370 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: stuff with Matt Canada, also bringing in the stuff that 371 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: he did very very successful in Maryland and Vanderbilt in 372 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: other places. Yeah, and um, you know the thing is 373 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: living on such a good third down back. He's an 374 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: every down back. And you know, I'm wondering if Pittsburgh 375 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: goes with kind of an old school mentality here because 376 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: we've had some discussions in the past about I know, 377 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: the analytics sector, which you don't draft a running back 378 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: in the first round, but I I kind of disagree. 379 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: I think it's situational. I think once you hit the 380 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: twenties and your team like Pittsburgh that really needs a 381 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: running game to take more pressure off Ben Roethlisberger, and 382 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: you've got a three down running back, I think the 383 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: idea of having a five a potential five year deal 384 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: with a running back in his prime and then the 385 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: ability to franchise for another year and then maybe another year, 386 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: well we're talking about that's the life cycle of of 387 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: the prime for a running back. So I don't think 388 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: that's I don't think it's at Atlantish. And when you 389 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: look at Naja Harris, um, he's taken on a little 390 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: heavier workload the last two years, but I think you 391 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: should write him if you're the Pittsburgh Dealers. This guy 392 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: is in his prime right now. He can handle all 393 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: three downs, and I think you want to be smart, 394 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: you don't want to wear him out during the seventeen 395 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: game season. But Naja Harris is so much better than 396 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: anything that Pittsburgh has there on the roster now. Or 397 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: what they've had over the last few years. And to me, 398 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: at some point, you talk about being a running team, 399 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: but you gotta be about it. Don't just talk about it, 400 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: be about it. And that's what Pittsburgh. I feel like 401 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: that's what they did this year's They said, all right, 402 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna be about it now. No, I think it 403 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: is about being about it. And I made a mistake. 404 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: I misspoke when I talked about Matt Canada Baltimore, not 405 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: be not Baltimore. But he was at Maryland with the 406 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: Terror Prince. He also did the offense with Pittsburgh. Didn't 407 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: have a great time at l s U. But he 408 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: is a guy who loves to be creative, unbalanced lines, philosophy, motion. 409 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: He's gonna tap into some of that talent that they have. 410 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: As far as Naja Harris, Najah Harris to me is 411 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: the quintessential number one back. He can run it between 412 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: the twis, he can get him to firm, but he 413 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: can catch the ball out the backfield. Um. He has 414 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: some sizzle to his game in big games where he 415 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: steps up. Um, there's a lot of delight. He doesn't 416 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: have the top end of some of these kind of 417 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: parts but man, when you did that big that physically, 418 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: you don't really need to have exceptional toping. Mm hmm. 419 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: You know a guy, another guy with good top end 420 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: speed but not great top end speed but does everything 421 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: is is Elijah Moore. And actually his top end speed 422 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: was actually faster than I shouldn't even say that, because 423 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: it was faster than people expected. He can run from 424 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the slot, I think from an impact rookie standpoint. You know, 425 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: I had him as the number four wide receiver and 426 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was evident after 427 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: watching tape and and I watched him in January, and 428 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: I hadn't you know, I hadn't heard a lot about 429 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: him in terms of the draft buzz and things like that. 430 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: But once you get past Davante and Waddle and Jamaar Chase, 431 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: you know the big three. To me, this was the 432 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: guy who looked like an impactful receiver pretty much anywhere 433 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: he went. Because he can be a volume guy from 434 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: the slot. He can line up, he can take you 435 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: vertically and help you from a standpoint of of of 436 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: expanding the safeties and what they want to do, mismatching 437 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: slower nickel corners. He's got the ability to to get 438 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: you tough catches because he's super super tough. And all 439 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: I hear about him with the Jets now all I 440 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: hear Alijah more, Alijah more every day and practice is 441 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: a new day where he's just just stunting on people 442 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: and it's kind of you know, it's kind of nice 443 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: to see, all right, I jamaar Chase Davante, I get it. 444 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: But this guy was the dog on the tape that 445 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: I saw like he was super super competitive and I 446 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: counted them to Antonio Brown because the way he ran 447 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: routes and seemed to just explode out of breaks. And 448 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: it looks like he's translating very very quickly. Now, rookie quarterback, 449 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: rookie coach, a lot of situations and a lot of 450 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: guys do great and camp. How do how do you 451 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: see him impacting UM a rookie quarterback this year? You know, look, man, 452 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: I think it's really important anytime you can have a 453 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: dynamic player UM playing alongside the quarterback, a rickie quarterback, 454 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: you alleviate some of the pressure on him. And as 455 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: the rookie continues to play and operate as a game managed, 456 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: this even more important that he's able to shoulder low, 457 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: which has been able to do. Um. Uh, look, I 458 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: think it's a critical time. You gotta have him. You 459 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: gotta be able to make um the defensive at least 460 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: respect the running game and have to fear him a 461 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: little bit. Then that gives you guys an opportunity to 462 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: really cook from the pocket. Give me an impactful defender. 463 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: I like the offense so much better than the defense 464 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: this year. Who do you see on defense? Oh man, 465 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna with Michael Parsons for the Dallas Cowboys. Michael 466 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: Parsons putting on number eleven, um playing in the middle 467 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: of that defense alongside Janey Smith. Maybe l V they 468 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: find a way to get all three of them there. 469 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: But he's stout, He's aggressive, explosive, terrific. Blitzer just understands 470 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: how to do it. And he gets home and when 471 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: he gets home, he makes the splash plays. So, um, 472 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: you know it'll be tough because you don't expect. We 473 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: don't have high hosts for this guy boys defense, But 474 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: I have high hopes for Michael Parsons. Yeah. He um man, 475 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: it was like I was watching Si Kwana linebacker. I mean, 476 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: he has unbelievable those thick tree, trunk legs, the speed, 477 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: the sideline to sideline, and I think what blew me 478 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: away is I don't see this much when watching linebackers, 479 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: the ability to stop, gather balance. It's hard to kill 480 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: in the hall. It's really hard to get away from him. 481 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Once he's got you locked in, it's pretty much a rap. Uh. 482 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: He's like those nets really like that's like, uh they 483 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: you know, like they had in uh what was it 484 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: called Escape from the Plan of the Apes or whatever, 485 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: And it's a rat. Once it's over you, that's it. Um. 486 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: He's that kind of tackler like, once he's locked in 487 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: on you, it's it's all said and done. Now. The 488 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: guy that I like, obviously I love Michael Parsons over there. 489 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: I think your pick is the right pick. But I 490 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: think Jamie Davis with Washington, you got you a dangerous 491 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: front right now, and now you're gonna stick this guy 492 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: who is another guy who is an accurate tackler with 493 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: very very good speed, a good downhill instincts and mentality, 494 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: and you're gonna stick him behind a talented front like that, uh, 495 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: with Ron Rivera leading the charge at head coach, I 496 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: just think I think Jamie Davis is one of those 497 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: guys who should be a dark course Rookie of the 498 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: Year candidate this year. I think he's really gonna have 499 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: an impact on that. Why Washington's building a little baby 500 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: juggernaut over there defensively, well, they're going back to over recipe. 501 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna builded with the defense, the defense load all 502 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: those Alabama guys they have playing on their defense. Um, 503 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: and then you get another SEC guy and Jim and Davis, 504 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: Jack del Rio and Ron Rivera both get a chance 505 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: to impart their wisdom del Rio and to him. And 506 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: because former linebackers played at a high level, uh, you know, 507 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: I get a young athletic, dynamic playmaker that can make 508 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: things happen. To speed is really you see the speed 509 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: on tape. He is a blissard man. He's fun, fun 510 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: out there. Anyway, Yeah, it was um some interesting linebackers. 511 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: I really think. You know, I'm a big fan of 512 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: um Woso Carama. I think he I still think that 513 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: he could end up having as big an impact on 514 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: from this draft class as any linebacker. And we're talking 515 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: about some some pretty good linebackers. But figuring out who 516 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: he is and what he is in year one I 517 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Um, you know, I'm looking at what happened 518 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons and maybe and I remember before the 519 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: draft thinking, is this the same thing that's gonna happen 520 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: with the Wooshoo Caramol where they gotta figure out what 521 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: his home base is. I feel like it's easier to 522 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: figure out who Woosoo Caramola is right now. He's a 523 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: He's a slot. He's one of those star position guys 524 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: from college that just has to prove he can be 525 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: A will is what I think he is. With Isaiah Simmons, 526 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I truly, you know, I didn't see any linebacker instinct, 527 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: so I knew that would take a little while for 528 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: him to get used to that position. You know, I think, 529 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: I think the bigger thing and this is what we 530 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: can make the mistake of doing sometimes when we're in 531 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: the evaluation businesses, we love versatility, we love guys that 532 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: can do a lot, but there's something to be said 533 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: for the person that masters the one thing that there 534 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: has to do. So when I look at him, I 535 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: just I just think, you know, man, that he has 536 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: everything as you look for everything that you could possibly want, 537 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: uh the interest see how he plays out there. Yeah, 538 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: and then um, you know, I think in terms of 539 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: impactful rookies on the defensive side, um, at the cornerback position. 540 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: You know, there's some really talented guys. I was a 541 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: huge fan of pats Or Tan, and then of course J. C. Horn, 542 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: Greg knew some Caleb Farley. We know Farley probably will 543 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: take a little longer to come, you know, to to 544 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: to get it going. But when I look at the 545 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: top two guys and you see sir Tan and j. C. Horn, 546 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, right off the bat, j C. Horne is 547 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: has a chance to really make his mark because he's 548 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: gonna be you're facing off against guys like um and 549 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: not that he didn't do it in college and actually 550 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: did a pretty decent job of taking on Kyle Pitts. 551 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: But he's gonna have Kyle Pitts to worry about. He's 552 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: gonna have obviously Calvin Ridley to worry about. He's gonna 553 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: have those beasts over in Tampa Bay to worry about. 554 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: So he's got his hands full over there. Now. If 555 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: he if he shows out, that's Rookie of the Year 556 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: type candidate stuff. If you're able to really do a 557 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: nice job, because so many people cite these these advanced 558 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: statistics from pro football focus on other sites, um with 559 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: how guys do against top matchups. So everyone will be 560 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: aware of a guy, a guy like J. C. Hornet 561 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: and certain is in Denver. We already know Oakland is 562 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: trying to build over their wide receiver. We know what 563 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: we know what Kansas City has, we know what the 564 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: Chargers have. So those two guys stepped into a tough situation. 565 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: But that's why you're drafted. That's why people covet you 566 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: inside the top ten is because they're in tough divisions. Usually, yeah, 567 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: tough divisions. Both of these guys can play, but they're 568 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: playing a different style. When I look at Pat Search 569 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: and I believe Pastor Chan was probably the safest cornerback 570 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: to take when you watched the way that he played. Um, 571 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: not a gambler, just a technician and a tactician when 572 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: it came to being able to understand how to play 573 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: the routes, how to anticipate, how to make players on 574 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: the ball, all those things. Really good tacklers. So they 575 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: gives him a chance to be on the field every Now. Think, 576 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, who do you think is in a 577 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: better spot Jay what you know about them defensively j 578 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: C and Carolina and knowing his division or Pat Surtan 579 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: in Denver, how do you see it? I would say 580 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: Denver because I think Denver's defense is chance to be 581 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: a top ten defense. You know, here's you with the pressure. 582 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: They're gonna do some things where they forced the ball 583 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: to come out quick, so the Dps are gonna be 584 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: able to get after you, maybe more so than the 585 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. I think he is just very, very on 586 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: top of it when it comes to the way that 587 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: he approaches hash split rule, understanding down and distance, um, 588 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: trying to determine how they will play. So man, this 589 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: god such a tough one because I love short Tan, 590 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: But then when I look at the clips in Mini 591 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: camp and I just see j C. Horne breaking on 592 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: everything in the vicinity, I'm gonna go with their tam, 593 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: But I think Jay C. Horn is gonna be a 594 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: guy that is in that conversation. Yeah, it's tough one. 595 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: They're both but that's why they both went so high. 596 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: That's why they both went so high. Um. Well, I 597 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: hate to lead the conversation here, but I mean it's 598 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: just I just got off the radio talking about college football, 599 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: UM playoffs. I know, I think you guys have touched 600 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: on it a little bit with the expansion. The expansion 601 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: is going to give us more players. You know, we've 602 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: had so many players opting out of bowl games, and 603 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, we we still seen a opting out of seasons. 604 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: Which maybe that's a separate conversation for another time to 605 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: see if that's gonna end up being a big problem, 606 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: UM for NFL draft evaluators and for college football. But 607 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: what about the expansion, If you now have twelve teams, 608 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: I would think I would think that's gonna keep a 609 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: lot of the prospects that we're looking at. I think 610 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: that would give us additional games to watch on those guys. 611 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: I don't think as many of them are gonna opt 612 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: out if they know they have a chance to win 613 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: a national championship. You know, I'm all about this. I 614 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: think this is great if you're thinking about that part. 615 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: If you want to keep players, you want to keep 616 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: the star players around the game, you got to open 617 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: up the doors for more guys kind of sneak into 618 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: the postseason. UM. Taking the n C double a model, 619 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: the final four is everything, Yes, if you win a 620 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: national championship, you celebrate it. But so many guys are 621 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: so excited just to get their team into the four. Well, 622 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: now you have an opportunity to get yourself into the posting. 623 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: In playoffs, you get chance to control and dictate your 624 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: your destiny. So I think you like those things from 625 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: an evaluation to standpoint, I get a chance to see 626 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: you practice, uh, evaluate to practice, evaluate some of the 627 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: things you have going. Um, I get a chance to 628 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: see everybody, so, um, this should be good. It should 629 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to see these guys fan 630 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: because you are going to see the Blue Chippers continue 631 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: to play. And I like best on best. I mean 632 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: the thing that was difficult, Yeah, we know that there's 633 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: opt outs, so that's difficult. Michael Parsons, that's not hard. 634 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: You can watch him and that's not hard. Kayleb Farley 635 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: to me was a little more difficult. Um. But for 636 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people, he wasn't. I think a guy, 637 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, I'd obviously hurt um some other players who 638 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: opted out and fell in the draft, and some guys 639 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't hurt them at all. Um. But 640 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: I thought what was difficult was looking at certain Big 641 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: ten players, and and I'm going through watching some players 642 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: this summer. I'm starting on the center, so there's nothing 643 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: sexy there, but watching Pack twelve and Big ten players 644 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: who got started later, you know they might have had 645 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: five games, and it's not against great competition. And so 646 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, from an evaluation standpoint, when we had players 647 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: like that that we needed to look at last year, 648 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: that was really tough because a lot of cases you 649 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: didn't see good on good all the time. With this, 650 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: this is another way. And obviously we're talking purely about 651 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: evaluating for the draft here, but for evaluating for the draft, 652 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: any games that you get against good opponents across from 653 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: you really gives us a chance to better uncover who 654 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: you are as a talent. I think it. I think 655 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: it all matters. I think it matters you want to 656 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: see those games like lands going all the way back 657 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: to my days and scout the things that I look for, 658 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: robbery games, conference championship games, and anything related to the playoffs, 659 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: because that intensity, I impression and scrutiny is going to 660 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: match uh NFL regular season games. So I believe this 661 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: is great from an evaluation standpoint because you get a 662 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: chance to see these guys another year. But I don't know, man, 663 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: different disrupted. Do somebody else want to want to take 664 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: this on? Um in terms of having to deal with 665 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: all of it? And are the coaches of the teams 666 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: in the final twelve are they going to be able 667 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: to throw out those recruiting pitches to get the guys 668 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: to hang around and maybe do big things. See that's 669 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: why you know me personally, I get that everyone's for it. 670 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: Everyone wants to see playoffs and everything. Um, I just 671 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: think realistically, if you wanted to expand eight at the most, 672 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: maybe six minute more since because how often do we 673 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: look how often do we look at give me a 674 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: year where you saw, Man, I don't know, there's four 675 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: there's five really good teams. No, there's usually two and 676 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: and oftentimes three elite elite teams. And then you get 677 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: two teams. You're like, this team is gonna get rolled 678 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: and that team gets rolled. Um, So I don't you know, 679 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I having but this this this 680 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to like the old Ahtown 681 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: argument when Htown was rolling the Cougars were doing it, 682 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, hey man, we want to get into mix. 683 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: We want to see what's up. You see f uh 684 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: coast to Carolina. Some of these group of five schools, 685 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: they're like, oh man, if we get in there, we 686 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: can we can handle our business. Okay, well, let's see you. 687 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: Let's see you. We saw Cincinnati and Georgia. Georgia basically 688 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: almost playing with the JV team in the Peach Bowl, 689 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: and then they finally woke up and put their hands 690 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: on Cincinnati in the second half. And so what we 691 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: want to do is we want to see some of 692 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: these smaller teams. Uh group of five teams have a shot. 693 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: Just put one in, put two in. Let's see if 694 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: they can earn the right now, if they earned the 695 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: right to to win the first round, and then they 696 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: get a chance to play Alabama. A let Nick Saban 697 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: straighten them out, you know, straight like I mean just 698 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: you could be treated like it's it's schoolhouse rock. You know, 699 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: we can have them go see Nick and Nick and 700 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: have them right in a hundred sentences and there all 701 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: their bad behaviors will suddenly be eradicated. Yeah, it's it's 702 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: amazing how that will work out. Yeah, you want to 703 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. Until you gotta face Nick, everything 704 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: is a little bit, but I'm giving us schools a chance. 705 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: I think they've been squeezed out far too long. Me personally, 706 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it needs to go all the 707 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: way back to twelve. But let's get them all in 708 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: because I know because because what happens is are we 709 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: really watching the Bowl games anymore? Lass Like last year 710 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic was still in effect like it was on 711 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: but even then, you're like, uh, it's become a spring 712 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: ball because everyone's opting out. So they had to expand 713 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: it a little bit just to drive some eyeballs to 714 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: some of these other games before the final four. Because 715 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: if you don't incentivize fans to watch those those bowl games, 716 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: why would you, like, why would you watch? And I 717 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: think historically the bowl games, the big ball games, like 718 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: the rose Ball is always gonna be a big deal 719 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: in California. I would imagine, Man, it's always gonna be 720 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: a big deal. But it is. You know, I grew 721 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: up when my dad coach of you have h going 722 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: to copon bowl games and and that's you know, and 723 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: that's been diminished some of course with the Southwest Conference 724 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: breaking up years ago, that was going to be the case. 725 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: But I do think it does help some of those 726 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: primary bowls that can still be featured as part of 727 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: the playoff package. I think it does help them. It 728 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: retains something we know. There's a financial component. I get that, 729 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: but from a standpoint for a lot of people, they 730 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: look at it fondly from a historical standpoint, from a 731 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: traditional standpoint, and it's nice that you can still you 732 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: those bowl games can still have some tradition, but this 733 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: time inside of a playoff. So I think I think 734 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: it's very good from that standpoint, for sure. Yeah, I 735 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: think it's very good. From the standpoint I also think 736 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: it changes and raises the bar a little bit for 737 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: your teams because think about a Lance has become you, 738 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: then the Big Four, You're not like, whatever you did 739 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: over the year, it doesn't matter because you're not one 740 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: of the team, says Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia. 741 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: Like that's that's who's normally in the conversation. Don't Notre 742 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: Dame in there. Those are the six that are always 743 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: in the conversation. I think what you want to be 744 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: able to do is if I'm a team, if I'm 745 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: a coach at at one of these teams, and we 746 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: get into twelve. I want the biggest banner up there. 747 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: I want to treat it like the n C Double 748 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: a final four. A man, we're in, the players, we 749 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: made made it. We made it to the big time 750 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: because you are going to see more of the haves 751 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: and the have not kind of break out when we 752 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: tell you up all of the stuff and well, and 753 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: I think this may not be a popular thing to 754 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: talk about, but um, I think it's worth noting. I 755 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: think the n I L stuff when players are gonna 756 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: be making money, at least some players, but a lot 757 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: of them are gonna be the star players, the same 758 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: ones who may be opting out. If they're making money 759 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: off name, image, likeness in college, they're gonna be a 760 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: less a lot less likely to bolt early if they've 761 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: got a chance to you know, they've got a chance 762 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: to go play in a bowl game. Um, even if 763 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: it's inside of the top twelve, you know, a top twelve, Hey, 764 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: we're here. I got a chance to hit a bonus 765 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be you know, I'll have the sweatband 766 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: on or whatever the case. I don't know how that's 767 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 1: gonna end up working, but is going to be crazy. 768 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be crazy for those who have, uh, 769 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: who have boosters, who have deep pockets and access and um, 770 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: the ability to say, man, like, how about you put 771 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: this little Jiffy Lube wristband on that I owned fifty 772 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: of them, you know, or whatever it is, like whatever 773 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: those those those uh, the booster connections, the alumni connections. Uh, 774 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: it's really going to matter. It's gonna change the game. 775 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: But you're right, Lance, I might. I might hang around 776 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: a little bit if I got one of the nice 777 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: little kickback offers on my game. You know, I may 778 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: play another game or two and and and see what else. 779 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: If I can, I can get it, and then you 780 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: know who, who knows what's gonna happen with the sneak 781 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: awards and all of the other stuff. I mean, that's 782 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: cool to day all wearing it. But I might not 783 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,439 Speaker 1: get down like that. Like I might have a little 784 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: I might have a little side hustle. It's gonna be 785 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: a West, gonna be a wild West. And you can 786 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: only imagine the locker room when quarterback A is making 787 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: a million in the defensive end with eleven sacks. You know, 788 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: the real quiet defensive ends like Oh yeah, it's gonna 789 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: be sideways. I got something for a wing place. Come 790 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: a right, isn't right, It's it's look, it's gonna be 791 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,959 Speaker 1: a different deal. And we saw the Supreme Court case 792 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: that kind of change some of the things when it 793 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: came to the educational benefits and just more more pressure 794 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: on the n C double A to figure out a 795 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 1: way to UH make this happen. UH. Conversation is always 796 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: good when I have you on last like, you got 797 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: a chance to mix in some NBA talked about college football, 798 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs that you hate. You don't want to see twelve. 799 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: You probably trying to shut it down. You get one game, 800 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: But it's always fun. What else you up to? Man? 801 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: When we're you gonna start digging into this table, Man, 802 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm already started digging a little bit. Um. I'm working 803 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: on UH. I'm working with a company that does UH. 804 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: I may have to hit you up. Working with this 805 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: really cool player tracking company out of outside of the 806 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,959 Speaker 1: States that they're tracking players. They can track the ball data. 807 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: They're working Australian rules football. And I'm like, man, I 808 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: want to get this in the high school. I want 809 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: to I wanna be the be one of the guys. 810 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: That helps the high school teams who can't afford some 811 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: of the player track in the next gen data make 812 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: it more affordable get some of that stuff. So it's crazy. 813 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: The sports tech that's out there right now is bananas. 814 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: What we're what we see, what what Zebra does for 815 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: next gen data on a regular basis for the NFL, 816 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: It's amazing right now. But some of the other sports 817 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: tech that is being used in baseball, the way I 818 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: watch a baseball game is totally different. When broadcasters, old 819 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: school baseball people are telling me about launch angles and 820 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: spin rates. Man, you know, it's different. I'm just waiting 821 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: for I'm just waiting for somebody to talk about the 822 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: spin rate of a pass and what the velocity is 823 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: on a throw, because I'm telling you it's coming at 824 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: some point in game. Oh no, it's not only coming, 825 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 1: but I mean we talked about like teams are saying 826 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: they're not even worrying about forty times and those things 827 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: because they can get the the GPS didn't get the 828 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: miles per hour and max speed and max velocy and 829 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: those things. Uh, it's about to be a game changing, 830 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: lands gonna it's gonna change the way we do everything. 831 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: It's gonna change the way that guys work out if 832 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: they work out ahead of the draft. We see it 833 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: coming and we've seen the impact that has had on 834 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: other sports. It's only a matter of time before it 835 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: really completely. Revolution is not revolutionizes how we go about 836 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: the process on National Football League. Well, that was that 837 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: was it. That was a move the six podcast. It's 838 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: always great to have a man LZ know. Make sure 839 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: you check out all the videos at NFL dot com, 840 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: slash empt s video. Make sure you check out Lance 841 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: when he's doing his thing, Lance, Uh are you you podcast? 842 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: And you're doing other stuff? You got you got other 843 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: stuff popular radio every single day, and I'm getting ready 844 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: to start my my podcast. But I do it with 845 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: an actor friend of mine from California who's a big 846 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: USC fan, and he just got done filming Ozark season 847 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: four and UH in Atlanta in the A t L. 848 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: And so we were catch up on a lot of 849 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: college football. That's my guy. Go to him, Eric Layton. 850 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: I go to him from my USC guys. I'm like, 851 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: tell me about tell me about uh slogist, Like he's 852 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: gonna be my first scouting reports, gonna be this guy 853 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go to the tape. All right. Well, 854 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: look man, we're gonna make sure you make sure you 855 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: keep us up to date on it so we can script. Yeah. 856 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: I like it. I dig it man. So that's it. 857 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: Make sure you tune in. We'll be back on Thursday 858 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: with another episode and move six