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Speaker 1: Hey, fish fans, this is Eli Susman, the founder of

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Speaker 1: Fish on First. You are listening to part of a

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Speaker 1: megapod with Kevin Burrell and Alex Carver going through level

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Speaker 1: by level of the Marlins Farm system. Once they put

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Speaker 1: on the mic, they really couldn't stop. This was overall

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Speaker 1: a two and a half hour recording, but we have

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Speaker 1: split it up into four different parts, ascending from the

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Speaker 1: lowest levels of the minor league system all the way up.

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Speaker 2: To Triple A.

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Speaker 1: This is part three. Find all these episodes here on

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Speaker 3: But let's go on through the fun level. This is

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Speaker 3: a level that I think Alex and I usually like

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Speaker 3: to watch the most. Those guys are great up there,

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Speaker 3: Double A Pensacola. This is a fun level. It had

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Speaker 3: But I mean it had your as at one point

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Speaker 3: this season. Then you have the great story of mister

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Speaker 3: want to start with who do you want to start with, Alex?

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Speaker 2: We were talking about Banfield. Let's go Banfield let's go Bandfield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, man, when he's When we talk about

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Speaker 3: one of the most improved players in the system this year,

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Speaker 3: you have to go to Will Banfield. He was called

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Speaker 3: he was promoted mid season last year to double A Pensacola.

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Speaker 3: He was great for them at the start. Caught Yer,

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Speaker 3: hands down, probably the best catcher in the organization. In

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Speaker 3: the Forum system, at least, he's been great. He's been

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Speaker 3: hitting for power. He has seventeen home runs this season,

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Speaker 3: the most he's ever hit for his career. He's put

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Speaker 3: get on base too much. I think the big thing

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Speaker 3: with Banfield is this year, Alex He's finally found an

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Speaker 3: offensive rhythm, something he hasn't been able to do in

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Speaker 3: oh four, but for seventy slugging the highest is put

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Speaker 3: three percent. So Banfield, I think we've made this. We've

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Speaker 3: said this many times before. If it's not triple like,

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Speaker 3: he should be a big leaguer right now. Obviously considering

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Speaker 3: how bad Nick forts As and Jacob Stallings have been.

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Speaker 3: He could slide in there. He could catch your Perez.

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Speaker 3: He's a good defensive catcher. So I think he will

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Speaker 3: be competing for that starting spot next season if if

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Speaker 3: they do end up letting go of Jacob Stallings and

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Speaker 3: if they kind of, you know, in a certain to

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Speaker 3: forts As unlikely, but he'll be he'll be in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely everything he just said is absolutely true. Man.

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Speaker 4: You know, had him on on the podcast a couple

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Speaker 4: of months ago, did some research on him before that.

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Speaker 4: Definitely has found something in this switch and his mechanics

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Speaker 4: himself is just so much more comfortable now. Before he

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Speaker 4: With the seventeen home runs previous career, I was last

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Speaker 2: Already this year I want.

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Speaker 5: To banfield, get acts hi and deep and gone solo

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Speaker 5: blast out to last for will band Bemung, who's here

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Speaker 5: on the board with plenty of distance to spare. That

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Speaker 2: The main thing for this player defense has are also

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Speaker 4: The main thing for this player that I would say

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Speaker 4: So that's the one thing you can point to with

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Speaker 4: You put a guy with seventeen walks or through this

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Speaker 2: So this guy definitely has shown improvement.

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Speaker 4: There's still improvement he needs to show though, in order

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Speaker 2: Walks and just ability to work counts a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: For Will Banfield, I think the next level for him,

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Speaker 3: the next step would be kind of put him in

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Speaker 3: quadruple A players, et cetera. I do want to ask

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Speaker 3: I put out a tweet mentioning you know, if anyone

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Speaker 3: Nick Ready, he's on I did not know this. He's

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Speaker 3: He only had three at bats in his twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: He's still on military leave for what it shows on MiLB.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 4: The son of former former Hammerheads and manager Randy Ready actually,

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Speaker 4: this guy, this is part of this guy's career. Baseball

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean that's that's pretty much what this

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure he'll, you know, as long as Marlins

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Speaker 4: like this is like when you do come back, you've

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Speaker 2: And you know what's that look.

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Speaker 4: Like after you come back and can can you actually

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Speaker 4: Probably will be tough, but something to be said for that,

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Speaker 4: Like you said, keV, just you know, baseball secondary for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: All right, moving on with double A, I do want

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Speaker 3: this guy deserves a shout at Alex and I've mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: and I do think he deserves the promotion to Triple

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Speaker 3: as well. Jose Devers, Baby, Devers man, this guy has

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Speaker 3: had himself a year. I think that's the best way

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Speaker 2: I believe his development. They called him up way, way

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Speaker 3: Only twenty twenty three years old, still fairly young, putting

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Speaker 3: deserves a promotion. I think that's the best way to

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, uh no, very very encouraging to see

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Speaker 2: You know, with injuries and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: In years past, I think the Marlins were even like

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Speaker 4: calling him up to the Marlin I don't think he

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Speaker 4: I think the COVID year, like Marlins were like calling

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Speaker 4: I don't know about this guy. But to see what

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Speaker 4: he hit two nine two sixty three three ten to

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Speaker 4: So clearly he's found something. Clearly he's back to full health.

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Speaker 4: It's played most of the year, been pretty decent. It's

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Speaker 4: So positional flexibility with shorts up and second base that

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Speaker 4: added some power in still just twenty three. So it's

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Speaker 4: tough to see Devers at age twenty three with double

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Speaker 4: A where we have twenty five year old who deserve

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Speaker 4: that's another story that we already went through. Anyways, Yes,

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Speaker 4: encouraging to see from from mister Devers. Coming into the year,

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Speaker 4: so clearly he's found something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess the next guy we're gonna mention

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Speaker 3: the We'll leave Jacob Barry for last.

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Speaker 2: We'll go with Victor Mason Junior.

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Speaker 3: He was one of the top players entering I guess

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Speaker 2: You know, for double A.

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Speaker 3: But now he's kind of gotten way back down earth

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of strikeouts is his main thing. Again,

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Speaker 4: He struck out one hundred times in each of his

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Speaker 4: more plate presence, a little bit more patience. But the

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Speaker 2: Ball, it looks really really good. So I like Victor Junior.

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Speaker 4: Definitely makes it happen in uh in centerfield is a

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be in seem to see where the put

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Speaker 2: For this player. And hasn't been like all sunshine and

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Speaker 4: He struggled at times, but it's a twenty one year

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Speaker 3: this year's Futures Game MVP Naci Nunez Man. If there's

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Speaker 3: This season two twenty one, three thirty six, two eighty four,

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Speaker 3: But for home runs, I believe they're all opposite field homers.

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Speaker 4: Really impressed the staff I talked to Skip about the

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's his main thing. It's just some more

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Speaker 4: But man, when this guy gets on based, he could

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to happen today like fully.

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Speaker 3: Alex Man, this guy has been very impressive. I mean

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you just said it.

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Speaker 2: Send him down when Pemack got back, just weren't gonna

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Speaker 4: So either somebody was gonna go up you know, PMAC

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Speaker 4: There's no reason for that you can make, or no

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Speaker 2: It just isn't gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: And that's because Bennett has done what he's done after

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad that he's up.

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00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,680
Speaker 4: It's a guy that just learned to catch very recently,

437
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 4: so very interesting progression.

438
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 2: He's made. It happen very quickly. I want to see

439
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,439
Speaker 2: a little bit more in the walks.

440
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,680
Speaker 4: Doesn't really strike out a lot though, only fifty five

441
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 4: strikeouts in over one hundred and nine hundred and ninety

442
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 4: at bats. So with with with double A, you know,

443
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 4: like you said, keV, a little bit more balls in play,

444
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 4: relies a bit too much.

445
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 2: On the power, I think you want to trend.

446
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 3: With that's kind of like the trend with these catchers

447
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,120
Speaker 3: that you know, some of these guys Bamfield possible.

448
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's a good thing for power, but you

449
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 4: don't want to rely on it all the time, you

450
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean, especially as you get to the

451
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 4: major leagues, because pitchers at the major league level are.

452
00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 2: Going to exploit that.

453
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 4: So I want to see a little bit more balls

454
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 4: in play, just kind of more take what you can

455
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 4: get kind of approach. I think that he could use

456
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 4: to improve that in his approach a little bit. The

457
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 4: power is great, you can't live on it, though, especially

458
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 4: if it's not like a plus plus plus tool for you,

459
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 4: and it's not for Bennett. It's a good tool for him,

460
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 4: but it's not like elites. So that's what I would

461
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 4: say for Hostel. It's just a little bit more balls

462
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 4: and play, bring the average up a little bit, and

463
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 4: power is gonna come naturally for him because he's a

464
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 4: strong kid. So great to see it though. I think

465
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 4: he's done pretty well with catching. Talk to some pitchers,

466
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 4: they don't mind throwing to him. They think he's pretty

467
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,239
Speaker 4: good back there. Still very raw at that position though,

468
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 4: still has a lot to learn at it because he

469
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 4: did start just start catching like what a year and

470
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 4: a half ago, So yeah, definitely want to see a

471
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 4: little bit more from the defense.

472
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Speaker 2: Can he make it stick at catcher?

473
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Speaker 4: I think he probably can at least at a at

474
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 4: a replacement level rate, you know what I mean. And

475
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 4: then if that offense permeates and it gets a little

476
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 4: bit better, man, you definitely live with that. So I

477
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 4: like Bennett Man, under the radar guy not ranked by

478
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 4: a lot of people at all, especially not in top thirties.

479
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's been fun.

480
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 3: You you have him just out of there, out of

481
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 3: his stock thirty.

482
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Speaker 4: I mean at this point, I mean I have to

483
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 4: redraw my next list, but at this point I would

484
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 4: probably put him either just outside of it or just

485
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 4: inside of it.

486
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: Depending just needs to show more at catcher.

487
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 4: And yes, this has been a great stretch for him,

488
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 4: but this is the first time that he's shown this.

489
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 4: Can he make it per me a right, because it's

490
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 4: gonna be a full time So I kind of just

491
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 4: want to see a little bit more before I say, okay,

492
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: this is a true top thirty prospect.

493
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 3: Where do you have him now?

494
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 2: I think I have him just outside. Let me see

495
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: my last list on one second, I'll tell you.

496
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, just for reference, guys, Alex has like a top

497
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 3: one hundred, So if you guys want to reference that list,

498
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: you guys could definitely do it. Fish on first size

499
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: the top thirty which was done by Isaac elin On myself,

500
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: so you guys could look at that one. But obviously,

501
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 3: if you guys want to see a top one hundred, carvers.

502
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: Have got you covered with that.

503
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: So I believe you have him like in the forties

504
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 3: or fifties.

505
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it sounds about ray. I would have

506
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: him higher than that.

507
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 4: I think I think we do have him in the

508
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 4: forties in our last list, so I think we would

509
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 4: have him a little bit higher than that as of

510
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 4: our next list, me and Danny. But yeah, I would

511
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 4: probably place him probably just outside of top thirty right now.

512
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, Jake Barry, let's wrap up double

513
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: a level. This is the big one that I think

514
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: everyone wants to talk about. Uh, it's been up and

515
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: down for Barry, to be honest with you, Alex, a

516
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: lot of downs, especially in hya just not good defensively,

517
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: doesn't just just the hit who hasn't been there. I

518
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know where he just hasn't been good.

519
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 3: But he gets promoted, he gets moved up. Let's say

520
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: moved up because at the time it was just to

521
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: fill out the first base spot there. But man, he's

522
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: been good. Looking at the stats since June second, is

523
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: that we'll look at until today August sixteenth, two fifty

524
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: four three twelve four three seven thirty five with five

525
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: home runs thirty four RBIs uh, he's been better at

526
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: the Double A level. He's kind of struggled a little

527
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: bit to away two fifty three, three ninety with a

528
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: six forty three ops sixty three WRC. Plus he's been

529
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: playing a lot more first base, which is I guess

530
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that we could take away from Barry's

531
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: promotion to Double A. At times he looks great. For me,

532
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: It's all like Hya, where he just looked really bad

533
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: throughout most of it. He's looked pretty good for the

534
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: most part at Double A. Obviously, he's been relying a

535
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: little bit more in the power. Obviously he has. He

536
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 3: has three homers since joining the Wahoo's. I think he

537
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: sticks at Double A and going into next year, no

538
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: way he gets promoted. I'd be floored if he does well.

539
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: As you you have the need for someone like Barry there.

540
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 3: But Alex, just what have you seen from Jacob Barry

541
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: with the Wahoos as far.

542
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: A streaky player. That's exactly what you.

543
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: See Cruz, a very, very very streaky player with the bat.

544
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: At times it looks great, at times it looks real bad.

545
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: So I mean, yes, he goes on these stretches where

546
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 4: he can hit home runs. He goes on these stretches

547
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: where he strings together at games where he hits him

548
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: back to back to back games, and then he just

549
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: goes completely gold. So it's been better lately, like you said.

550
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: But the thing that you worry about, like we said

551
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: for a couple of other players, is consistency. How consistent

552
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: is this player? Does he have the consistency or can

553
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: he show the consistency to prove that he earned himself

554
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 4: his draft spot, That's the question you have to ask,

555
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: so and I think at this point in his career,

556
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 4: at age twenty two, yeah, there's still time.

557
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: He's playing against some.

558
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: Guys that are older than him, you know, I think

559
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: slightly on through the average age of a double A player.

560
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: So you know, there's still still time for him to

561
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 4: grow into that mold of a first round draft pick.

562
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 4: But first round draft picks usually show a lot more

563
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: than this at this point in their careers.

564
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's tough overall for Barry.

565
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 4: I haven't been enamored or overall impressed with just like

566
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: I said, the consistency and his ability to you know,

567
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: fully put his what what was described as a very

568
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 4: advanced offensive skill set, we have not seen that.

569
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: So they drafted him for offense, clearly, they did not

570
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: have to draft him for a defense. Clearly.

571
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: I think they've left him at third base too long.

572
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: I think he should be a first baseman slash DH

573
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 4: Maybe you could try him on a left field.

574
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I definitely definitely.

575
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: Think they need to get this guy off of third base,

576
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: like perfectly, like yesterday, and permanently, like you you're not

577
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 4: playing there anymore.

578
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: Right, So, saw a couple of things. We saw him

579
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: walking around with the first base. We have a little

580
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 2: bit in camp.

581
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: We know he's been working out there and stuff, but

582
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: there just hasn't been too much in game time for

583
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 4: him at that spot, which I think is where he belongs.

584
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: So that's what I would say for this player. I'm

585
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 4: not overall impressed impressed. I know a lot of us

586
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: are not overall impressed with this player. I understand the sentiment.

587
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 4: But there is time. You know, he did just get drafted,

588
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: so there is time for this guy to still, you know,

589
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: show that he can live up to potential.

590
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: But it's kind of weaning, I would say, honestly, just

591
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 2: because of the streakiness of this player in the to

592
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: be a lot more consistent.

593
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: I guess we could even look at just his same draft,

594
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: like guys who have been better. We could talk about

595
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: zach Netto, he's a big leader, brooks Lee, he's in

596
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: Triple A. And we could even look at this year's draft.

597
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: Just today, Nolan Shanuel gets the the promote gets is

598
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: a big leaguer, for god's sake. See got draft like

599
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: less than a month ago almost, and he's a big leaguer.

600
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: So it kind of shows you what Miami's intentions were

601
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: with Barry. Miami wanted Barry kind of to be that

602
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: type of Zach Netto type player where they promote him

603
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: very quickly through the system, and that just hasn't in

604
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: the case, So that's a lot and going.

605
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: These teams will get the I mean when the Marlins

606
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: are not going to get it with Barry.

607
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: But these teams that do promote these top prospects in

608
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 4: a cer certain amount of time or a pretty short

609
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 4: amount of time, they get the PPI incentive. That's the

610
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: prospect promotion at center. So you get a draft pick

611
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 4: for that.

612
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: So there's incentive to do that. Now, that's part of

613
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: what the league did as part of the CBA to

614
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: get rid.

615
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: Of or to try to limit service time manipulation. So

616
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 4: there's more incentive to promote a challenge guys now, right

617
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: if they're ready for it. The Angels clearly think Shanuel,

618
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: who literally has played the next to no minor league games,

619
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: is ready for it.

620
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: You know.

621
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: Uh So the Marlins don't really have a guy like that,

622
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe you would have liked to see

623
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: that at a Barry. You definitely would have liked to

624
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: see that at a Berry, but it ain't gonna happen.

625
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: Uri Fores doesn'tqualify because he wasn't a draft pick. So

626
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: where's the next Marlins draft pick that is going to

627
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: allow the Marlins to earn that incentive that remains to

628
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: be seen probably never really Yeah, well not right now,

629
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: at least not in this last draft.

630
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: I can't think of anyone.

631
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you could have made a camp something like,

632
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: maybe you could have made the case for some like

633
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: Aldermen at the time, but like man, he struggled so

634
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: bad that he's probably gonna repeat low A levels.

635
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: So and you go high school with the first two

636
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: picks too, right, so it's even less for this last draft.

637
00:27:51,040 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: It's less less likely. Anyways, that's a different conversation. But yeah,