1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,159 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and Stefan ever told 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: your production of I Heart Radio. Before we get started 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: into this, but I just want to share a very 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: important fact. Samantha and I are wearing the exact same 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: T shirt, and we may or may not both not 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: be wearing bras. Yes, that's also true. I have. I've 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: been slashing my U as I stand up. Flashing might 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: not be the best choice of words. Okay, that's true. Okay, 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: so I'm still closed. I'm nothing. It's just what I 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: stand up. Is this very obvious? I'm not wearing a bra? Yes, yes, yes, 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: um yeah, we're wearing our Atlanta Peachtree road Race shirts, which, 12 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: thanks to covid M, was rescheduled into to November and 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: then turned into a virtual race. But we both got 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: our shirts and we're matching today and I will not 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: be actually running. This is my celebration. Are you gonna 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: pretending like I would have? So you're not even gonna 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: like try? I'm not. But look, we know last year's 18 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: experience and which I gave up in general decide I 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: would just make it a celebration already. Yeah, I can't 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: do that this year, And I'm like no, so what 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: I may do is take pictures for a walk, but 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: it definitely is not gonna be a tin. K. Yeah. 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: I like how it also came with a this packet 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: came with a waffle House coupon. It always does, it 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: always does. But on the coupon it said something like, 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: I swear that you run it are or else house. Look, 27 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: we paid for it. Stop it. Yeah it's true, that's true. Um. Yeah, 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: so we are becoming one as podcasters, slowly but sure 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: of course. And then my question for you today is 30 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: was there like a Disney movie or particular fairy tale 31 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: that you read as a kid that wasn't necessarily meant 32 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: to be scary but it really freaked you out? That's 33 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: a good question. Well, you know what anything The Sleeping Beauty, 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: uh definitely got me a because she's not only in 35 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: a coma, but it took somewhat stranger of kissing her 36 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: to wake her up, which, by the way, what stop it? 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: And then the which was so scary to me, like 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: her puzzles, was so scary in the area like green 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: or that would be around her when she's trying to 40 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: do spells that scared me. Mm hmm. I I remember 41 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: going through I was kind of a oddly coward when 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: it came to Disney movies because I went through a 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: period where snow White really scared me. Um, do you 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: ean to be scared me? Uh, Cinderella scared me. In 45 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: Wonderland was kind of freaking crush our cat really freak 46 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: me out. Yeah. No, I actually didn't rewatch Alison Wonderland 47 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: because it scared me so badly until recently, and I 48 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: actually really liked it. I had some funny jokes, but 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: it was still disturbing. I can see why definitely is dark. Yeah. Yeah. 50 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: When I got to middle school, I was really into 51 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: fairy tales, and um, for my birthday, my dad got 52 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: me this like really beautifully printed, like gold page book 53 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: of fairy Tales and it was, you know, the original 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: fairy Tales. And I remember reading those and being horrified, like, 55 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. They put on these feet, these shoes, 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: and the mother has to dance until she burns to death. 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: This is terrifying. Yeah. Yes, Um, so we are talking 58 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: about some terrifying takes on fairy tales today. Before we 59 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: get into that, I would like to say and apologies 60 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: because neither of us had read this first. Um, so 61 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: I would say not great for kids. I think that's 62 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: probably obvious, but I'll put that out there, and this 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: episode maybe also listen to you before kids listen to it, 64 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: and also probably not safe for work. Um in the 65 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: book in general is in that category, right, And of 66 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: course when we talk about old fairy tales, just to 67 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: put that out there, there is some mention of abuse 68 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: and assault when you think on it and you're like, oh, so, 69 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: not that we go to detailed, but the book in 70 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: itself does have something so you have to kind of 71 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: pause and be like what what just oh, yeah, there 72 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: are some upsetting themes and I actually really like how 73 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: it made me think about things like abuse and assault 74 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: that are sort of not they're sort of just played 75 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: off as this is how it is in original fairy 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: tales that you might have read as a kid, and 77 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: I didn't think about it right, and this made me 78 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: be like, oh, that was pretty messed up, was right? Yeah. 79 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: So for today's book Club, we are discussing Angela Carter's 80 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: work The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories. It's an an 81 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: anthology of ten short stories of widely varying length, like 82 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: some of them or pages one is one page. Um 83 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: the most disturbing to me. That one is very very upsetting. Yeah. 84 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: So the stories are The Bloody Chamber, the Courtship of 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Mr Lyon, the Tiger's Bride, Puss in Boots, the Earl King, 86 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: the Snow Child, the Lady of the House of Love, 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: the Werewolf, the Company of Wolves, and wolf Alice. Many 88 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: of these stories are closely related to fairy tales, and 89 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: and some of them you'll be like, oh, I know 90 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: this this fairy tale. Maybe not this version of it, 91 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: but I know like the inspiration Um. When it was 92 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: first published in the UK, it won the Cheltenham Festival 93 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: Literary Prize. Apologies if I mispronounced the Carter had written 94 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: seven books previous to this one, but none of them 95 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: had really received that much attention. Now, while these often 96 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: these fairy tales in this anthology often get described as 97 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: feminist retellings of fairy tales, Carter described to them this way. 98 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: My intention was not to do versions or, as the 99 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: American edition of the book said, horribly adult fairy tales, 100 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: but to extract the latent content from the traditional stories 101 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: and to use it as beginnings of new ones. So 102 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: these stories do have a largely Gothic vibe, which we 103 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: talked about a lot in our women writing horror UM. 104 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Many are highly sexual and erotic, detailing dark desires and impulses. 105 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: Most are told through a heterosexual um female protagonist. Many 106 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: are of these protagonists are are vicious, smart, dangerous, and cunning. 107 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: These stories often feel like a condemnation of the passivity 108 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: of women and many of our fairy tales equating passivity 109 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: with death. Um there, they are visceral and very very 110 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: descriptive and imaginative, and often surreal and symbolic. She drew 111 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot of inspiration from nineteenth century poetry and twentieth 112 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: century French writers who deployed struct realism and surrealism in 113 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: their works. Many of these short stories lead into each other, 114 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: or at least I felt like they did, especially like 115 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: towards the end when it's all about wolves. Yeah, very 116 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: like it seemed like they were retelling the same story 117 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: in different content. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. UM. 118 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: And I like how you said bleed into each other 119 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: because that's also a big theme here, and we'll talk 120 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: that later. So this book cause and continues to cause shock. 121 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: I will attest to that, and Carter knew this. She 122 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: once said, quote, I was taking the latent content of 123 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: this traditional story and using that, and the latent content 124 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: is violently sexual. Yes, yes, very much so. Many critics 125 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: and literary analysis comment on how she used fairy tales 126 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: to couch real world ideas and make them more palatable 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: to a wider audience. In a letter to a friend 128 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: of hers, Carter wrote, I really do believe that a fiction, 129 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: absolutely self conscious of itself as a different form of 130 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: human experience than reality, that is not a log book events, 131 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: can help to transform reality itself. Yeah. Um yeah, So 132 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: let's let's go. We're gonna do brief rundowns of these stories, 133 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: um starting with the Bloody Chamber. This story is reminiscent 134 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 1: of the blue Beard fairy tale by French author Charles Barral, 135 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: which followed a newlywed wife breaking her husband's rule. Who's 136 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: like one rule about absolutely not entering a certain room 137 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: in the mansion, and when she does, she discovers the 138 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: bodies of his past wives. We've talked about this show 139 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: on the show multiple times because it is very telling 140 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: of certain things, um Like, it is a tale of 141 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: a woman's curiosity and the punishment for that curiosity that follows. 142 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Like the story of Eve, the keys of the mansion 143 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: are the keys to paradise, and the forbidden room is 144 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: the forbidden fruit. One of the pornographic works that the 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: narrator finds in Carter's work is called a reproof of 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Curiosity and depicts a naked girl crying as she is 147 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: whipped by mass men with knives, so being punished for 148 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: her curiosity. Others believe the room represents the dangers of 149 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: giving birth at the time, a bloody womb, claiming past 150 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: wives or wives dying in childbirth. In Carter's story, an 151 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: unnamed young and quote innocent. That word is used a 152 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: lot of female protagonist marries a man much older than 153 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: her who is almost certainly inspired by Marquis de Sade, 154 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,239 Speaker 1: where sadism comes from. Uh. If you want to know that, actually, 155 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Mike tell you how this goes. Uh. The Marquis represents 156 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: everything the narrator doesn't have, money, luxury, sex, but there 157 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: are a sign immediately and throughout UH that all of 158 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: this comes at a price, like the ruby choker he 159 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: gives her that is described as like a slit throat 160 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: around her neck um, the mark he wines and dines here, 161 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: takes her to fancy opera shows, and they are married, 162 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: despite the reservations of her mother, the narrator's mother, who 163 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: has lived the dang life. I gotta say so one 164 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: of the quotes that might tell you a bit about 165 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: this Marquis, I saw him watching me in the gilded 166 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: mirrors with the assessing eye of a connoisseur. I'd never 167 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: seen the sheer colonel avarice of lust. And Yeah, the 168 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: marquis has had many past wives, all of whom had 169 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: artistic and or feminine talents. He sort of collects women 170 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: of talent and beauty. It seems. The narrator herself is 171 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: an excellent pianist. The newlyweds make their way to the 172 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: marquis mansion, where the narrator nervously awaits their first time 173 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: having sex. She does find this book on sado masochism, 174 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: and when the Marquis walks in on her kind of 175 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: being appalled by this, it turns him on. He views 176 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: her as something innocent to corrupt. He pretty much says 177 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: that to her. Um So he takes them to their bedroom, 178 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: which is essentially it has like a wall of twelve mirrors, 179 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and they have sex, which is very much described in 180 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: these violent terms like impaling, taking virginity, all. All of this, 181 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: despite the protestations of the narrator that it's daylight, he says, 182 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: all the better to see you, with which we recognize 183 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: from fairy tales. Then the Marquis has called away for months, 184 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: and he gives Harry the keys to his mansion, with 185 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: strict instructions not to enter one specific room. But of 186 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: course she enters it, of course, and give her the key. 187 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Um, of course she does, and she finds 188 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: the bodies of the marquees previous wives, and various implements 189 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: of torture, dead um, iron maidens racks um. She drops 190 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: the key in blood and is unable to remove the 191 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: stain from the key, and she touches it to her 192 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: head and it leaves this red mark that she is 193 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: also unable to remove. In her fear, she speaks with 194 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: a young man, gen Eves, who came to tune the 195 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: piano and stayed to to listen to her play, and 196 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: it's like immediately clear that, oh that so they're a 197 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: better match, I see, um, So he returns early. The 198 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: Marquis comes like as if he sensed what she's done, 199 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: or it's been a trap that he's just waiting for 200 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: her to fall in. He comes back discovers that she 201 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: disobeyed Uh. He decrees that she is to be executed 202 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: by beheading. John Eves, powerless to help her, stays the 203 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: night with her before her scheduled execution. Uh. The marquis 204 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: forces her to put on the ruby choker and he 205 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: removes her clothes, preparing to decapitate her with a sword. Now, 206 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: in the blue Beard fairy tale, the bride's brothers come 207 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: to her rescue, but in the blood chamber is her 208 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: pistol toting mother came to her daughter's aid after hearing 209 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: her daughter's distressed on the phone and embracing this feminine 210 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: intuition and maternal instinct that told her something was wrong. 211 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: The narrator and Johnny Eves get married and they make 212 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: use of the marquise wealth that was left to her. Um. 213 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: They give a lot of their money to charities. They 214 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: turned that castle into a school for the blind, and 215 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: she opens a music school, but the red mark remains. Yeah, 216 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: this story is um definitely look at the dark side 217 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: of s and m and all consuming dangerous passion. And 218 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: it's deadly hyper masculinity in this sense, the male gaze 219 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: represented and amplified by the twelve mirrors in the bedroom. 220 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: He chooses her clothes, he controls when they have sex, 221 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: like the male gaze almost a character to itself in 222 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: this right, and everything is definitely a trap. Um. I 223 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: will say the mother, it reminded me of our episode 224 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: of Nora John the Empress that killed the Tiger, because 225 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: they mentioned the daughter mentions how her mom was so 226 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: brave that she had killed tigers and and it was 227 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: a known hunter for that, and so seeing her right 228 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: up in uh the horse reminded her of her how 229 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: did what does she call it? Indo China? Something like 230 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: that era? And so I was like, wow, that's a 231 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: wonder If that had anything to influence Carter's character of 232 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: his mother, I wouldn't be surprised, um, because I was 233 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: looking at the inspirations for behind all of these fairy tales, 234 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: because most of them I recognized, but some of them 235 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: I didn't. Right, I have no idea about this. When 236 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: you had to tell me, I was like, what was that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 237 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: I think I've only heard of this one because of 238 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: this show, because it is one that comes up a 239 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: lot of like feminist discussion about that fairy tale. But 240 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the fairy tales were inspired by um 241 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: Indian fairy tales, so it would make sense to me absolutely, 242 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: but I thought that too. And then the next story 243 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: is the courtship of Mr Lion, which is very reminiscent 244 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: of Beauty and the Beast. After Beauty's father not only 245 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: fails to get her the single white Rose, he also 246 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: suffers car troubles in the snow. He trudged out to 247 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: this huge gothic mansion, and when he goes to claim 248 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: the knocker in the shape of a lion's head, of course, 249 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: and that should have been kind of like, oh wait, 250 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: hold on, but the door opens for him. Seriously again, 251 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: oh wait, hold on. Um. He makes himself at home, 252 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: putting his coat and hat away because you know who 253 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: doesn't do that in a strange immediately was like, of course, 254 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: this is what it's supposed to happen. And a big 255 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: dog greets him, and he eats some sandwiches that just 256 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: laid out, drink some drinks and is able to call 257 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: for some help with his car and feeling super at home. 258 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: Obviously he's feel very comfortable and certain that the owner 259 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: of the house must be kind and won't mind because sure, uh, 260 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: he takes the last beautiful white rose. Uh not so good. No, 261 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: oh no. The owner of the house reveals himself and 262 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: enraged and lying asque figure. He's furious this man took 263 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: advantage of his hospitality and tried to steal from him, 264 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: and in a panic, the man tries to explain that 265 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: he just wanted this rose for his precious beauty and 266 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: shows the beast a picture of her. Of course, the 267 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: beast relents, agreeing to let the man go on the 268 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: condition Beauty has dinner with him. Obviously, so, of course 269 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: Beauty does, and the beast aids her father and acquiring 270 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: the wealth he lost after the death of his wife. 271 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Beauty is largely left alone during the day, hanging out 272 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: with the dog, which yes, we hear about the dog 273 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: a lot, reading books, but gradually she built a relationship 274 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: with the beast, who one night, after they speak for hours, 275 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: he kisses her hand on a whim and is terrified 276 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: he allows her to leave. She's been allowed to leave 277 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: after the first dinner, but stay while her father was away, 278 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: and she returns to London with her father promising he's 279 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: making a promise that he she would return before winter 280 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: is over. However, she kind of forgets because she's living 281 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: that life, that glamorous life, and and looking in the mirror, 282 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: she all of a sudden remembers because she doesn't recognize 283 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: the self who is overly confident and maybe a little 284 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: bit egocentric because she has now gotten accustomed to this wealth. 285 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the dog returns and pays 286 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: her a visit, begging her to return to Mr. Lyon, 287 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: and she does so, realizing she broke that promise, and 288 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: finds him dying from heartbreak. Of course, they professor lost 289 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: each other, and all of a sudden he's a human 290 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: yea happily ever after. Yeah, yeah, I really liked this 291 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: story and I think purposefully it did annoy me that 292 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: her dad was like, she should have dinner with you, 293 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: like she doesn't get anything in this thing, like the pieces, 294 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: like only if as though she's property, which at that time, 295 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: so yeah, but there is. The next one is another 296 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: take on Beauty and the Beast. It's called The Tiger's Bride, 297 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: So after the narrators, the female narrators father, who is 298 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: this drunken gambler wages his daughter to a mysterious mass 299 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: man known as my Lord or the Beast Uh and loses. 300 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: She is understandably furious. She's real mad. She destroys the 301 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: white Rose her father gives her with a sort of like, sorry, 302 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: I bet you and lost, honey, She's like. She is 303 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: transported to his pilazzo, the beast Pilazzo, and he requests 304 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: her presence. The mass Beast claims he will allow her 305 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: to leave with enough treasure to make up for everything 306 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: her father lost if she strips herself naked. She laughed 307 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: in his face and counter offers she will pull up 308 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: her skirts in a dark room and gently cover the 309 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: top half of her body and give him a window 310 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: of time, and then she will leave Um. He seems 311 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: hurt by her assumption and refuses this. She is tended 312 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: to buy a valet and a robot that looks like her, 313 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: and eventually discovers after the valet demands she's you the 314 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: Beast naked that he is a Tigerman, similar to the 315 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: stories she heard growing up. Uh emboldened when she realizes 316 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: the Beast is more terrified of her than she is 317 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: of him, she willingly takes off her clothes for him, 318 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: something she'd never done in front of a man. The 319 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: valet and then informs her she was free to go, 320 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: but the narrator decides to stay and sends the robot 321 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: in her place. Uh. She and the beast undress and 322 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: he laps away her skin and transforms her into a 323 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: tiger woman. So yeah, he licks her skin and like 324 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: sloughs it off and reveals like this tiger for underneath, 325 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: sort of a switchero on the original beauty and the 326 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: beast ending were familiar with. We'll say that kind of 327 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: disturbed me, the whole idea of someone licking off skin. 328 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: So it's just I believe it was probably meant to 329 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: be disturbed. Yea. And I will say this next door 330 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: kind of threw me off because it didn't fit in 331 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: to me with the other But maybe it's just me. Uh. 332 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: So the next story is Puss in Boots. Uh, and 333 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: this one is told from the point of view a figura, 334 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: who is this raunchy feline trying to best service master. Uh. 335 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: They live a pretty care free life, making their money 336 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: cheating at cars. That all changes when the young man 337 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: his master falls in love with a woman kept in 338 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: a tower by a greeny old man who views her 339 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: as just another thing he owns, which seems to be 340 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: again a theme throughout. He's usually hidden in a veil 341 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: and heavy dress, and she's often accompanied by an old 342 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: woman who acts as her keeper, which, by the way, 343 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: is also another thing. There's a lot of keepers throughout 344 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: Um and figure out, believing this whole love thing would 345 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: pass and their lives could go back to what they 346 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: were if his master got some satisfaction quote unquote uh, 347 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: he arranges for them to meet up in the tower 348 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: by posing as an exterminator, and the woman in the 349 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: tower and the man have sex nice. However, the men 350 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: is only mor smitten and much too Figurer's annoyance. How however, 351 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: he also finds love with the tabby cat that lives 352 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: at the tower, and they all arranged for the miser's death. 353 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: The man poses as the doctor and pronounces him dead, 354 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: and when the old woman returns with a corner to 355 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: find him and the maiden having sex, the maiden banishes 356 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: the old woman after giving her what was left to 357 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: her in the will, which was satisfactory, and there you 358 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: go another happy heavily ever after except for the miser 359 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: I suppose, I guess, so he had what was coming 360 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: into Yeah, yeah, I mean the thing that makes this 361 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: one so different than the rest of them is told 362 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: from the point of view of a very raunchy cat, 363 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: So the tone is suddenly like whoa right, You're like, 364 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: what is happening? What is happening? Yeah? Yeah yeah. Um. 365 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: After that is the Earl King. This one is based 366 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: on old folk tales around a sort of forest goblin 367 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: or forest spirit. A woman ventures into the woods and 368 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: becomes enamored with the Earl King, who seems to be 369 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: the forest personified. His hair's like leaves, leaves fall out 370 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: of it. He lives off the bounty of the forest, 371 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: and he has cages of birds. Eventually, the woman realizes 372 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: he plans to transform her into a bird and cage her, 373 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: so she strangles him with his own hair. And it 374 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: doesn't really say but her plan is to free the 375 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: other birds fright cages. You don't actually know if she 376 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: does that this is her plan. And then she has 377 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: also realized all these other birds for other women that 378 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: have been transformed into birds, and that a lot of 379 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: them had died. Yeah. Yeah, this is one where I love. 380 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: This happens to be a lot when I watched horror 381 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: movies where after it ends, I'm like, wait a minute, 382 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: I need to look up like Wikipedia to see I 383 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: understood that she's gonna turn into a bird. O're good, 384 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. Part of the things like, 385 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: is all of this metaphor, like is she talking about 386 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: a man? Or is she talking about an idea of 387 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: a man? I'm very confused. Well, and I like that's 388 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: another theme that comes up throughout is this idea of 389 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: like the caged bird and can the songbird learn another song? Um, 390 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: which I do think is uh telling kind of commenting 391 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: on women in these stories? Can women learn another song? 392 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: Can the caged bird be free? I have these and 393 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: other thoughts at the end, But okay, that's we're about 394 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: halfway through. So we're gonna pause here for a quick 395 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank 396 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you sponsor, and we're gonna talk about This is the 397 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: story that I think DI sturred me the most. I 398 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: think this is the point after my initial what is 399 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: happening with this book? I don't understand this first fairy 400 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: tale was what the hell is this book? And what 401 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: did I just read or what did I just here? 402 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: So this is the Snow Child and it is the 403 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: shortest of the stories within the book. And um, I 404 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: might add again, disturbing. Yeah, it's disturbing. It is disturbing, 405 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: which maybe a very loose version of snow white according 406 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: to the research that I found. UM. And here we 407 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: have a tale of account and countess who went on 408 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: a winter outing, came upon a pull of blood and 409 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: a raven in the snow, and the count wishes for 410 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: a child as white as snow. And then we see 411 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: a young woman who appears in the exact description of 412 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: what the count wanted within the story, he didn't start 413 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: giving the young girl, Um, the young lady different items 414 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: off of the countess, who is not pleased to be 415 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: losing all of her fancy items to this young girl. UM. 416 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: And then coming across some flowers, a countess requests for 417 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: the young girl to pick a rose for her UM, 418 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: in which he's like, yes, of course, I'm gonna give 419 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: you this one. Since I am taking everything away from you, 420 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: I can't deny you this request, he says. UM. And 421 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: then when the young girl goes to pick the rose, 422 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: she dies because she touches the thorns, I guess she 423 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: turns into blood. The liquid melt like kills her. She dies, 424 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: and at this point the Count jumps off the horse, 425 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: has sex with the corpse, and the body turns to 426 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: a pull of blood and a feather on a rose 427 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: and yep, it's a page. This all happens in a page, everybody, 428 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: so I was like, what is happening? And of course 429 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: this is also one of the moments when they call 430 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 1: him say the word member, his member, and I'm like, 431 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: oh god, there it is. Yeah. I mean, it's such 432 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: an interesting take on like because it's like the Disney 433 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: version we all know, you have the the evil queen 434 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: who is like I don't want to lose all this 435 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: stuff to a younger, prettier version of me, I don't 436 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: want to lose the power. I don't want to lose 437 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: all of this, And this was like a much more condensed, violent, 438 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: disturbing version, right. It was kind of one of those 439 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: moments of like, because I think it does end with 440 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: the Count is just kind of looking and I imagine 441 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: her having a smart and that was the end of 442 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: the storey. Yeah, yeah, that seems about right, I mean, 443 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: and again, stuff like this does make me be like, 444 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, maybe the original version wasn't as 445 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: disturbing as that, but he was still pretty messed up. Again. Yes, 446 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: for sure, she had to run away from someone and 447 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: love with seven estrangement. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And 448 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: I mean her stepmom tried to kill her with an apple. 449 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: It's all. Also the sleeping kiss, that's a thing. Yeah. Um. 450 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: After that was the Lady of the House of Love. 451 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: I loved this one too. This tale came from a 452 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: fairy tale Sleeping Beauty and a radio program called Vampirella. 453 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: Here we have a new non serratu um the narrator, 454 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and she is a sad girl who just wants to love. 455 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: And she and her mute as they say in the story, um, 456 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: there is some outdated language. Um. I lived together in 457 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: an abandoned, deserted village and when travelers come through, the 458 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: servant lures them to her home so she can feast 459 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: on them. Enter an English virgin soldier who is biking 460 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: through the town, which, by the way, this is happening 461 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: during like World War One. I think, um, he is 462 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: Lord in and we see that he has called some 463 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: conflict in the vampires. Poor deadheart when she pricks herself 464 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: with a rose, shocked by the side of her own 465 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: blood she'd never seen. The soldier kisses her wounds and 466 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: she has found dead the next day and he kind 467 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: of leaves. I'm sure of what went down there? Uh, 468 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: And he goes back to war and is presumed did so. 469 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: I guess he remained a virgin the entire time and died. Yeah, 470 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: that's what I'm assuming. Is like this one virginal character 471 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: as a man who goes off to war to die, 472 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: and then it's kind of like, oh, yeah, I just 473 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: liked this one for like how melancholy and lonely the 474 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: vampire was and kind of just like looking at all 475 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: of her past vampires and yeah, just not she wanted 476 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: something more, right, she was sad about having to eat everything. 477 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: I will say that I think one of the best 478 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: parts about the story was a that she had killed 479 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: the original sparat To and became that herself, which I 480 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: have not heard that as a version um. And then 481 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that they talked about how 482 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: everything looks glamorous in the dark, but when the morning 483 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: came it was all fake m hm. And I was like, oh, interesting, Yeah, yeah, 484 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: and like the description of her from the English soldier's 485 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: perspective too is interesting because she's kind of like this 486 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: mismatch of like looking really young and innocent except for 487 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: her like her mouth and her eyes like it was 488 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: I like dead dead dead. Um. So the last few 489 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: stories are actually a variation of Little Red Riding Hood, 490 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: and yes, they all involved wolves and werewolves. In this 491 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: story is called the Werewolf um. And this story is 492 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: a nice little tell of a well prepared young girl 493 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: who's off to take her alien grandmother some oatcates and traits, which, 494 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: by the way, when they kept saying oatcates and jam, 495 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: I was like, have I ever had that? That sounds 496 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: really good? Because I hear this throughout the story. That's 497 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: a fairy tale type thing. It really is. It really 498 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: is with her trusty hunting knife, and you will hear 499 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: throughout the story or you will read throughout the story. 500 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: I listened to this, by the way, um how she 501 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: knew how to use it and was well prepared to 502 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: use it. Um. She goes into the dangerous woods to 503 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: see her grandmother. Here she encounters a wolf, which she 504 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: quickly handles with her again trusty hunting knife and takes 505 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: off the wolf's hand, which later turns into an old 506 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: human hand with a ring on it. When she arrives 507 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: to her grandmother's home, she finds her grandmother in bed 508 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of pain. And when she uncovers her grandmother, 509 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: we are told she no longer has one of her hands. 510 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, at which time the talents people come through, 511 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: realizing that the grandmother is evil and take her out 512 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: and enjoy um and while the young girl and here's 513 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: all the grandmother's belongings. Then hole man is she's really 514 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: happy and rich? But was it true? But was it true? 515 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: You may never know? Um. And then the next one 516 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: is the company of wolves. So this is another variation, 517 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: but this time it is a love story and a 518 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: tale is in a tale fairy tale inception. Um. We 519 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: begin at the story with the story of a witch 520 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: cursing a wedding party to become wolves and having them 521 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: come to her cabin to soothe her with their house. 522 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: And then we have another quick tale about a woman 523 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: and her husband on her wedding night, he goes outside 524 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: to relieve himself, it doesn't return, so she marries another man, 525 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: this one who was not too embarrassed to use the 526 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: chamber pot. She says to pee inside. Basically. Uh. She 527 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: has a couple of children with him, and they suddenly 528 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: discover the old husband when he comes back, and he's 529 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: furious that she remarried, so mad that he choose on 530 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: her son's leg, and the new husband kills that man, 531 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: and when she cries for the dead husband, he beats her. 532 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: Completely normal, Completely normal in these fairytale worlds, I guess so. Um. 533 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: Then we move on to a young girl who was 534 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: traveling to see her grandmother. She also has a hunting knife, um, 535 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: and she meets a handsome young man who makes a 536 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: bet with her to see you can get to her 537 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: grandmother's house first, him with his fancy compass or her 538 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: and her usual route, and the winner gets a kiss, 539 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: which I'm like, whatever, um, anyway, that's me, Uh what 540 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: you fast forward? He beats her. There turns out he's 541 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: a wolf, surprised and eats the grandmother and all, yeah, 542 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: all the infamous lines are in this one. What big 543 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: guys you have? What big teeth? All that stuff, and 544 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: he hides in the bed waiting for the young girl. 545 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: The young girl arrives. Um. She walked as slowly as 546 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: she could so he would win, and finds a bit 547 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: of the bloody remains and the fire and the young 548 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: man in the bed. She then hear's hot howling around her, 549 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: in which he says, those are the voices of my 550 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: brother's darling. Um. He moves forward and instead of eating her, 551 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: the story ends with them sleeping together. This one also 552 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: has one of my favorite lines when she's like she 553 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: laughs in his face and it was like, you will 554 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: not make meat out of me? Yeah, get it girl, yes, um. 555 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: And then we come to the last story, Wolf Alice, 556 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: and this is actually a very loose variation a little 557 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Red riding Hood, but also a take of Alice in 558 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: Wonderland or more precisely through the Looking class. Um and y'all. 559 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: This one has it all wolf parents, a vampire, me, nuns, 560 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: and a woman who was first raised by wolves and 561 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: brought into quote civilized society, where we have a tell 562 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: of a young girl who was discovered in the woods 563 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: after her wolf mother i mean a literal wolf is 564 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: shot and they bring her into a convent where the 565 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: nuns try to teach our social norms. When she's not 566 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: very receptive, they decided to dump her at the stoorstep 567 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: of the scary duke who prowsed that night eating corpses. 568 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: So uh. And she grows up there learning a bit 569 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: more about humans and stays at the home where she 570 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: takes care of the duke. And while there she discovers 571 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: her own reflection in the mirror, and she soon discovers 572 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: a new friend, so she makes friends with this mirror image. 573 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: Later we see she learns that it is her in 574 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: the mirror, and after finding a bride's dress, I think 575 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: it's behind the mirror, which, what, by the way, was 576 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: one of the corpses that the duke ate, she puts 577 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: it on and has a revelation of her feminine identity. Uh. 578 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: And later we see a mob that included the husband 579 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: of the bride coming to kill the duke, but sees 580 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: the young girl and mistakes her further ghost of the 581 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 1: bride and decides to leave the duke and the young 582 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: girl alone and they reside happily ever after. We can 583 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: assume hard hard to say. I will also say this 584 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: one features a lot about administruation and her getting her 585 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: first period yes the mini yeah, and figuring that out, 586 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: so you know, throw that into the ring with our 587 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: scary administruation stories because she cried and thought she was 588 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: dying and she was trying to find all the cloth 589 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: to clean herself up. Yep, yep. Um. So that was 590 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: a whirl rind adventure of the ten stories in this book. Um. 591 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: But we do have some discussion about themes, but first 592 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: we have one more cup break for word from our 593 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back, Thank you sponsor. So obviously one 594 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: of big themes in these stories is sex and desire, 595 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: particularly for women. Um, women's pleasure and ye like taboo 596 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: areas a lot, but also like I was thinking about this, 597 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: and it's sort of the prism of what it can 598 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: be and what it often is like because a lot 599 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: of it is framed as something that's very violent and 600 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: painful for women, and it's all about the man, all 601 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: about the male gaze. But then some of it is 602 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: absolutely like you know what, werewolf, dude, I do want 603 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: to have sex with you, are tiger dude. I do 604 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: want to take my clothes off and I feel empowered. 605 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: And so it's interesting because you do see just these 606 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: different takes and angles on women's sexuality and desire and 607 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: what it can look like and the expectations of it 608 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: and what we see as taboo when it comes to it. 609 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: For sure, I think that she does a good job 610 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: of also calling it what it is instead of just 611 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: saying they had a night together. They had She's like, no, 612 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: he either she enjoyed it or she didn't like it, 613 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: and it was this and it was a force, and 614 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't that she didn't just kind of men's words. 615 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: She just said what it was and then moved on, 616 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: but made sure you understood exactly what happened. Yeah, And 617 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: I think, um, the Bloody Chamber, I really appreciated how 618 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: it painted it as this thing that the narrator, who 619 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: was very young I had never had sex, and she 620 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: was nervous about it but looking forward to it, but 621 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: was afraid to like admit she was looking forward to it, 622 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: but also was like genuinely not sure what this was 623 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: going to be. And the marquis who is I mean, 624 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: he's it's all about him and his pleasure, and he 625 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: doesn't care what pain comes from that, and probably that 626 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: would make him get off even more. Is pain? Um? 627 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: Like one of the quotes from that as they had 628 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: sex for the first time is a dozen husbands and 629 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: paled a dozen brides while the mewing gulls swung on 630 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: invisible trapiezes in the empty air outside, and it wasn't 631 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: a pleasurable experience for her, And just the way it 632 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: was kind of discussed in terms of she was this 633 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: innocent thing for him to corrupt. She was like a 634 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: piece of property to him, and even her kind of 635 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: recognizing that, right, is she understanding that? I also thought 636 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: it was interesting was again the usage of the word 637 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: member again, as well as the fact in the company 638 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: of Wool's story where they described when he addresses and 639 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: reveals himself. But she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, they didn't 640 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: say the member here, but they sure did mentioned that 641 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,479 Speaker 1: he was beast quote unquote um And yeah. I thought 642 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: it was really kind of funny. I was like, all right, 643 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,919 Speaker 1: that's an interesting take on all of this. I guess 644 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: it's kind of very romance novel esque. Yeah, and that 645 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: too of like again, the original inspiration for these, which 646 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: a lot of the versions were familiar with, have been 647 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: very sanitized. But like she says, like Carter says, there 648 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: is this latent sexuality that you know, as kids you 649 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: might not pick up on, but it's just always there 650 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: that it's a love story and you know it might 651 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: be with a piece, um, and as a kid, you're 652 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: not thinking about like the sex or like what does 653 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 1: the woman want when it comes to that. But seeing 654 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: it laid out this way, it did make me appreciate, um, 655 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: just how especially that message of property which comes up 656 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: a lot of like women being viewed as property and 657 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: being passive, which again she was really like, I think 658 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: that it is death for women in these stories. Um. 659 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: There is also a lot of discussion of virginity. Like 660 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: I almost everyone probably has something about like virginal innocent 661 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:54,879 Speaker 1: character who either gets corrupted in heavy quotes or never 662 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,959 Speaker 1: does and goes off to dieing more. But I'm gonna 663 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: say it was a nice little flip for the lady 664 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: of the house of I don't know if I've heard 665 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: many stories of the virginal man who came and disarmed 666 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: the monster. M Um. Yeah, and I think that was, 667 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, just a commentary to you on We've talked 668 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: about this a lot, but for the way we treat 669 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: virginity historically and currently is so messed up, especially for well, 670 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: I know, I want to say for everybody, but young 671 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: girls like it. It makes them more valuable in this 672 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: idea of property, right, or like wanting to be in 673 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: a relationship with someone, and you have these in these stories, 674 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: these beast um wanting to be with them for that purpose, right. 675 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the only thing that goes 676 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: with the idea of ownership for sure, Like no one 677 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: can really own you until they have put their dicking you, 678 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: I guess essentially, And that's kind of the whole because 679 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: that's when when we look at the old traditions of 680 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: young brides and being sold off for whatever property, inheritance, 681 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: whatever what not. Um they often say are you often 682 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,919 Speaker 1: hear the mentioning of oh, she's still intact, so she's 683 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: never been owned before. She's completely yours and pure. It's 684 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: just kind of like oh yeah, yeah. I mean in 685 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these threes too, you see, like because 686 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: the father prior to that is seen as the owner. 687 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: And so many times I was like, what jerk dad 688 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: is just like yeah, a dinner, beast, have dinner with 689 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: my daughter, she'll or you're gonna let me. Yeah. I 690 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: will say, we perhaps didn't categorize that super well. I 691 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: mean it was like on a plate that said eat 692 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: me and drink me, which I personally would have been 693 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: like no, thanks, right, you know, yeah, that that was 694 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: something that I would just like get outraged at and 695 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm like this, I know this is what does this 696 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: and it's supposed to make me mad, but I'm mad 697 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: this is um. And then yeah, there's a lot of 698 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: talk of menstruation, uh, and and yeah, tying it to 699 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: wear wolves specifically, which we did talk about with like 700 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: ginger snaps and sort of that whole you know, once 701 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: a month, the full noon, the curse, the curse. Yeah yeah, yeah, 702 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And again I do love their blood tails 703 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: and the minsties being mentioned specifically to wolf Alice and 704 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: her becoming a woman, and it does definitely have this 705 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: whole like transformation. But the terrified, uh confusion about what's 706 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: happening to her as no one will tell her, no 707 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: one talks to her um, and so it's kind of like, huh, 708 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: that's an interesting look at her fear about why she 709 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: thinks she might be dying. And then also because in 710 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: her solitude she's not really understanding what's happening, but she 711 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: measures her minstis by the moon. I didn't note that, 712 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,479 Speaker 1: and I was like, that is very interesting. Sing yeah, 713 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: and I mean, I love the whole it's sad, but 714 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: that she falls, she has friends with her reflection, and 715 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: I was like, is this, you know, a message about 716 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, we need to befriend ourselves, we need to 717 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: learn from ourselves, and you know, care about ourselves. I 718 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: don't know, a little more appreciate ourselves. Yeah. Um, maybe 719 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: that's me just reading too much into it. I don't know, 720 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: but that's that's kind of our thing here, so I'm 721 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: gonna go with it. Um. Then there's a lot of 722 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: stuff about marriage. Uh. One quote from the Bloody Chamber, 723 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: My husband, who was so much love filled my bedroom 724 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: with lilies until it looked like an embalming parlor. Um. 725 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: So in this story there's a lot of symbolism, with 726 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: the lilies representing death, rebirth, and sex another object fetishized 727 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: by the male gaze. Uh. And yeah, this was just 728 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: another instance of me being I've always thought it was 729 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: weird how quickly people get married in these fairy tales, 730 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: but the way it was painted, specifically in the Bloody 731 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: Chamber of just almost like death. Yeah for her, Yeah, 732 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: it's spelled out death. Yeah. And talking about flowers, I 733 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: think about the rose, the white Rose, which is mentioned 734 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: all the story as well. But it's kind of like 735 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: the gift. It's like my the representation of my love 736 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: or for forgiveness, asking for forgiveness somehow, And it's like, 737 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: that's interesting. It has to be a white rose. It 738 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: has to be pure. You can't be but thorns on 739 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: It may kill you the thorns. Watch out for those thorns. 740 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: Stop and smell the roses, but don't touch them. Yeah. 741 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: I love in the Tiger the Tiger Van when she 742 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: like rips apart is rose, She's like, you give me 743 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: a rose to forgive the fact that you gambled me away. No, see, 744 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm getting mad all over good. So I will say 745 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: in the story, you don't really see a lot of 746 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: conversations of anger, but in that story that's so within 747 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,760 Speaker 1: all the rest of the book. But in that story 748 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 1: you hear her anger talking about how angry she is 749 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: about what her father has done and seeing him in 750 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: visions and such, from being like confused about whether she 751 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: is seeing him for real and celebrating his new a 752 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: found riches because he sold me away essentially, and then 753 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: at the same time like being bitter at not only 754 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: him but at the beasts himself, right right, Yeah, because 755 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: she kind of has that like mirror thing, right, Yeah, 756 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: that's right. Um. Then there's a lot especially in the 757 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: Bloody Chamber, which I think is the longest one. Yeah, 758 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: it has a lot of kind of religious iconography and 759 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: like so I mean the Virgin Mary, the whole idea 760 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: of innocence right there, um, and kind of mocking that 761 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,720 Speaker 1: or corrupting that, or like he when the marquis finds 762 00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: her sort of horrified reading this porn um, he says, 763 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: like who the nun has found that the Bible like 764 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,720 Speaker 1: the Holy Books or whatever, the scripture and him seeing 765 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: it as sort of like his right. He is God 766 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: in this her world and it is his right to 767 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: do with her as he pleases. Um, there's a lot 768 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff going on. Yes, I was 769 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: great creeped up by that. Um. And obviously the patriarchy 770 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: and women's property, which is the same thing as the ownership. Yeah, 771 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: we hear that throughout as what they talk about the 772 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: father and the husband and the male suit is referring 773 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: to women as property, which is again like even in 774 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: that whole story where the dude when she weeps over 775 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: her ex husband who just got killed or first husband, 776 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: I guess because that was next, and then he beats 777 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: her because you know, how dare you moren something? How 778 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: dare you failed feelings? Um? I thought that was very 779 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: telling of the story. Of course that she she continues 780 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: to bring that up as well as she flips it, 781 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: oftentimes by having ownership chains from I owe my own 782 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: body like giving I'm giving it to you kind of 783 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: mentality as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember in The Tiger, 784 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: the Tigerman one where she was like, no, I want this, 785 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: like she didn't ask her to take off her clothes. 786 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: She was like, no, I'm empowered here. He's the scared one, 787 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, things like that, um and yeah, just 788 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: the words used like I remember in The Beauty and 789 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: the Beast the Courtship of Mr. Lion one, how he 790 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: refers to her as my beauty like the dad does, 791 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,240 Speaker 1: and he does which weirded me out. Um yeah, waging 792 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: the daughter away, offering the daughter for dinner. And you know, 793 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: it's takes on these because then the woman in these 794 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 1: stories does have agency and does make her choices, but 795 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: that's still there, the element of will. Yeah, he truly 796 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: gave our permission, like well, you'll like it. It's kind 797 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: of that weird um. And then you have the fairy 798 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: tales and feminism, which specifically talked about within these stories 799 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: as well, because it is a flipping of an idea 800 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,919 Speaker 1: or you know, uh, mockery of traditions, um, turning past 801 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: fairy tales in their depiction as a passive damsel in 802 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: distress and then pushing that away. I will say that 803 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: one in which we see at the beginning the werewolf 804 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: and the grandmother versus the daughter, and the conversation of 805 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: the question was the grandmother versus the granddaughter that the 806 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: question was was she actually a wolf? Or did the 807 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: granddaughter just make this up to get her tail? So 808 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: it's kind of like this weird taking on of the 809 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: story is not she If she did, she definitely had 810 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: a play in and she definitely got her to wish 811 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: she got old Grandma kaled she got her money's yeah, 812 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean I read that one. It's like I read 813 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: some people's interpretation was that was the tale of like 814 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: women's ambition and getting ahead, because that's the only way 815 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: she could have got ahead in this world. Probably not 816 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: the only way. It's very adequay, but it was one 817 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: of the only avenues available for her. Um. But speaking 818 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: of something else people have pointed out is that these 819 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: a lot of these stories do have generations of women 820 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: in them, and uh, that's pretty rare, all you know. 821 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: And a lot of times they are like the keeper 822 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: versus the young maiden, or the grandmother versus the granddaughter. 823 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: And I can see that as calling it to attention 824 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: again that women are pitted against each other time and 825 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,919 Speaker 1: time time tailor as old as time. And it's also 826 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 1: the conversation of who's worth moore the younger generation? Yeah, yeah, 827 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,439 Speaker 1: and then yes, my whole idea about Kenna Bird learned 828 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: a new song? Which that that line is from, uh 829 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: Lady of the House of Love, the vampire one, um. 830 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: And I read a lot of essays on that of 831 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: like can women learn to be something other than what 832 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: society deems appropriate for them in these store w Can 833 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: women be more than the passive damsel in distress? Can 834 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: women learn a new song? Right? And according to the 835 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,479 Speaker 1: Lady of the household Love, if you do learn something 836 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: new people and love, you die. So there's that, I mean, 837 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: that's the danger, right, looks like the awakening You swim too, 838 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: fur out that water you're not coming back, ladies. Then 839 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: the whole idea of transformation of corruption from young girl 840 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,360 Speaker 1: into sexual object of the male gaze with the ruby 841 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: choker and the bloody chamber. Um, turning into a tiger, 842 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: a bird, ohf a snow too girl like all these things, um, 843 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: and how that often has to do with sex. Yes, well, 844 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,720 Speaker 1: the very the innocent, more innocent one with wolf Alice 845 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,280 Speaker 1: is she becomes a woman and these like she comes 846 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 1: from being a complete beast to a young woman and 847 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: then trying finding that transformation and herself and trying to 848 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: figure that out because the dude really has nothing to 849 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: do with it, He's just the fast round. I at 850 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 1: first I was kind of like, what happened to that guy? 851 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: I to reread something like paragraphs like oh okay um. 852 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: And that is a big theme too throughout, is like 853 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: animal versus human. There are wolves, there's tigers, there's lions, 854 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: and then sex with those animals and becoming those animals 855 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:26,280 Speaker 1: and having sex and sort of this question of sort 856 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: of taboo things and desire and sexuality, but also what 857 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,399 Speaker 1: separates us from the animals and what happens when you're 858 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: in nature you become a bird, m m you can 859 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: attack by nature. I love this because fairy tales at 860 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: their hearts are moral tales, and I love that you're 861 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: mean rightfully. So you're takeaways like stay inside forever literally, 862 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: don't go into the woods, don't eat strange people's things, 863 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: don't assume their property, and don't make deals with people. 864 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, some of that's like really good advice though, 865 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,959 Speaker 1: So if that's the message you took, I'm I think 866 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,440 Speaker 1: the work here is done to learn my lessons. Yeah. 867 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: So that was our discussion on on the Bloody Chamber 868 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: and other stories, um, which was it was really good 869 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: for alloy and I gotta say, uh, and I did 870 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: enjoy it. I did want to add in here because 871 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 1: I recently I was texting Samantha and I uncovered two 872 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: more movies for our administration horror episode that I forgot. 873 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,759 Speaker 1: One is Veronica, which some of you might remember. It 874 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: took Netflix by storm a couple of years ago. It 875 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: was a Spanish movie. It was called by some like 876 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: the scariest movie of all time, which is a heavy label. 877 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't go in expecting that, but it was really 878 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: good in its part of the plot does center on 879 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,399 Speaker 1: Veronica getting her period for the first time. Um, it's 880 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: a kind of a poultr Geist haunting tale. And then 881 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: the other Lamb, which I had heard be like the 882 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: more feminist version of it Tomar, which again is a 883 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: heavy label, but it's about like this cult of all 884 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,839 Speaker 1: women that's led by this dude who uh where where? 885 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: The period as painted as something impure key like monitors 886 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: when they have their periods, and you won't have sex 887 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: with you if you're on your period. Um. Anyway, it's 888 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: a really big part of the story. So if you're 889 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: interested in any more administration supernatural horror, there's two more 890 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: for you. Me. A lot of people did right and 891 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: say I didn't know this was a thing, So oh 892 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: it's absolutely a thing. Um. And if we've missed any 893 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 1: of them, oh my gosh, please send them our away. 894 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: Our email is Stuff Medium mom Stuff at i heeart 895 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 1: media dot com. You can find us on Instagram at 896 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 1: Stuff I've Never Told You or on Twitter at mom 897 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: Stuff Podcast. 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