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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast Network. We welcome Walk Bovaro to the Giants Huddle.

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Speaker 1: As part of the thirtieth anniversary of the nineteen World

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Speaker 1: Championship season. Please check Giants dot Com for details of

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Speaker 1: MSG classics re airing of Super Bowl. It's a game

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Speaker 1: that will always mean the world to Bovaro. Championships are rare,

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Speaker 1: you know. I know they happen every year, but not

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Speaker 1: the same people don't always get them every year. Uh.

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Speaker 1: To play in the NFL, um, it's the epitome of

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Speaker 1: your your goals. I mean, I don't believe that guys

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Speaker 1: come into the league looking for personal glory. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's true in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: I think what happens is guys end up settling for

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Speaker 1: personal glory because they don't get what they really want,

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Speaker 1: and that's championships. Uh. You know, some guys would get

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Speaker 1: stuck on a team where there's just no future, especially

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Speaker 1: back in my day before free agency, you got stuck

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Speaker 1: no I got no chance in how to ever win

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl. So then they start thinking about maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, their personal stats, the personal records, the personal glory.

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Speaker 1: But I think if every if you ask any football

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Speaker 1: they had their druthers, but they'd rather have personals and

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Speaker 1: answer all the time because there's there's nothing like it.

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Speaker 1: You work your whole life to get that way, you know,

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Speaker 1: so when it happens, it's it's indescribable, to be honest

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Speaker 1: far it. So, I mean, it's hard to describe what

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Speaker 1: the ultimate. It's the ultimate. And I wouldn't trade that

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Speaker 1: from eighty six and ninety every time over anything. How

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Speaker 1: different is the eighty six championship compared to the ninety

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Speaker 1: it was different because six we kind of had a

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Speaker 1: and a lot of folks were starting to write this

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Speaker 1: And it's it's amazing that they did. I mean because

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Speaker 1: You know, new players come in, new teams come in,

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Speaker 1: You remember my teammates, who remembers, you know, the trophies

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Speaker 1: if they were too young, if they were too young,

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Speaker 1: nobody even can probably can't name a lot of people

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Speaker 1: What are you doing these days? Is you just try

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Speaker 1: They have this great um memorabilio type thing, like it's

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta see it to understand what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But people can check it out at try delics dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm having fun. I'm enjoying that, and I'm at home

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Speaker 1: a lot with my new granddaughter, um and I'm playing

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Speaker 1: Everything's good. I'm in great help my shoulder, my knee, back,

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Speaker 1: things are good. Good. I haven't felt as good in

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty is. So life's good right now. We wish

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Speaker 1: you the best luck with all of that, and we

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Speaker 1: hope to see you back at the Giants camp sometime soon,

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Speaker 1: because it is always a pleasure to welcome eighty nine

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Speaker 1: back to the home base. Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: It's always good to come back. And it's like like

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Speaker 1: Mr Miri said, you know, I want the giant of

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Speaker 1: the Giants. That's that's really been proven to be true.

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Speaker 1: That's Giants legend Mark Bavaro and don't forget. You can

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Speaker 1: check Giants dot com for thirty anniversary information of MSG

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Speaker 1: classics reairing of Super Bowl twenty five. You can always

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Speaker 1: find the Giants Huddle on the website and your favorite

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Speaker 1: podcast platforms. Until next time, I'm Paul Totino. So long, everybody,