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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and lazarn O. Everybody nailed it. Joined has always

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Speaker 2: by power. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. What

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to do with this game is find a

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Speaker 2: path for Denver to win the game. But the Patriots

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Speaker 2: turned the ball over four times, and yeah, Denver could

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Speaker 1: But that that's the path even if it was Bonnix.

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Speaker 1: I say this with no disrespect to bo Nicks. I

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Speaker 1: says no disrespect to Jared hit him. But the reality

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Speaker 1: always going to be a team carried by their defense.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way it's built, that's the way they

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Speaker 1: Jared Stidham thing obviously makes it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a.

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Speaker 1: Factor, it's an impact, especially those gotta have it. I

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Speaker 1: think the individual plays. The overall big picture of it, though,

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Speaker 2: Was starting, all right, well, the Patriots are going to

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl, Barth, they are and so are we.

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Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool. The Patriots are going to the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl. It is pretty cool. All of it is

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Speaker 2: pretty cool. And uh, you know, yesterday I'm unfiltered reopened

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Speaker 2: Alex with just sitting there for ten minutes in disbelief

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Speaker 1: And I'm still kind I still don't.

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Speaker 2: Really it still hasn't really fully set in. I don't

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Speaker 2: think I think, you know, Sunday night, it certainly had

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's it's really remarkable what this team

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Speaker 2: has done and where this team is headed. And they

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Speaker 2: deserve all the flowers for that, all of the praise

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Speaker 2: for that. This is truly in my time covering this team,

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Speaker 2: covering the NFL, I really can't think of a better

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Speaker 2: coaching job than what we've seen from Mike Rabel this season.

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Speaker 2: It's not just the fact that they've won what's seventeen

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Speaker 2: and three now at this point, it's also just the

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Speaker 2: think of a guy that's galvanized the troops quite like

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel has. And then also, you know, the individual

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Speaker 2: improvement of even some of the players that were here

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Speaker 2: have improved from this year to la compared to last

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Speaker 2: you know, that won four games. So Mike Rabel hell

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Speaker 2: of a job. The Patriots defense hell of a job

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Speaker 2: once again against a you know, a backup quarterback, but

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Speaker 2: they dominated a backup quarterback, which is what you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to do, yes, and they thoroughly did. You know, early

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Speaker 2: on in this game, Denver had some scripted plays that worked,

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Speaker 2: and you know, obviously the bomb to Mims was one

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Speaker 1: Kind of figured with Sean Payton, we talked about this, Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's one drive that they'll have and they'll get their punch,

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Speaker 1: and they got their punch and after that nothing, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, you know, it was it was one

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Speaker 2: of their defensive line. The Patriots defensive line has been

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Speaker 2: against two of the worst offensive lines in football. The

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Speaker 2: Flat out dominated that game for four quarters in the trenches.

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Speaker 2: the second hour of the show. All that said, all

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Speaker 2: the Patriots offense is in a rut. They're in a slump.

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Speaker 2: They've only scored eighteen points a game through three playoff games.

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Speaker 2: You know, we have to point out that this has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the weather's a part of it. The

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Speaker 1: You know, they do need to be better. You're right,

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Speaker 1: The second half of that game, the x's and o's

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Speaker 1: To the final twenty twenty five minutes, the nine minute

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Speaker 2: The conditions were fine.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, right, I agreed.

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Speaker 1: So for the beginning of the game, because people pointed to,

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Speaker 1: I thought the offensive line is better.

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Speaker 2: The offensive line I mean maybe, I mean they didn't better.

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Speaker 2: I thought they would be able to run the ball better.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever like that in a game

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Speaker 2: that's a true team sport. I don't think Drake May

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Speaker 2: when I you know, watched the tape, it's like two

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Speaker 2: he's not playing at that level. And there's a lot

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Speaker 2: A lot of Christianellis blitzer and things like that. So

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00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: it's not all these like cooked up, like crazy schemes.

434
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: Some of it's just let's get five into the pass

435
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: rush so that they can be five on five across

436
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: the board and get those one on one matchups. But still,

437
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 2: it's it's been very noticeable how much more they've blitzed

438
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: and how effective some of their blitzes have been since

439
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: you know, they the playoffs. Really you know, man coverage blitzes.

440
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 2: That's kind of been the story of the playoffs so

441
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: far for the Patriots defense is turning the dial up

442
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: on both of those things has really flipped this script here.

443
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: So I mentioned the defensive line, you know, just a

444
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: couple of other notes on that. You know, I really

445
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 2: just thought across the board, they just keep getting contributions.

446
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: You know, Milton Williams and Kylevon chase On and Christian

447
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: Barmore are clearly the s tier players on that line.

448
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have some great conversations. I don't

449
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: know if today's the day about Kleon chase On and

450
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: what you do with him. He's a free agent. I'm

451
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: getting to the point and I know he's gonna get

452
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: the Milton Williams treatment of you had a great playoff,

453
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: so you're probably gonna get the bag right and free agent. See.

454
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: But I think it might be worth it in some

455
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: ways for this Patriots team because they're gonna end up

456
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: creating two holes on the edge if they let Kylevon

457
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: Chase on walk because I don't know what you're gonna

458
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: get out of Harold Landry.

459
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big unknown.

460
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: And so when you have you're basically going to be

461
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: down to starting edge rushers if Kylevon Chased On walks.

462
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 2: So I think that there's a chance that they do

463
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: try to re sign.

464
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, franchise tag candidate, he could.

465
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: He could be, or at least, you know, maybe like

466
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: a transition tag or like some sort of team control

467
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: on it. But you know, bar Moore, Williams Chase on

468
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: Ponder even beat Garrett Bowles.

469
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: A couple of game.

470
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: Yep.

471
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: He should have a bigger role next year. Maybe it's

472
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: not replacing kale On Chase on, but he should have

473
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: a bigger role.

474
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that he's you know, he's primed to

475
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: be the third or fourth rusher, you know, situational pass rusher. Uh,

476
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: Cairos Tanga a big tackle for loss that before the

477
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: blocked field goal that pushed them back a little bit. Uh,

478
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: just like continues to do the journey work court dirt rules.

479
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in terms of the kind of out not

480
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: just that he's like a good player and what a

481
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: fine by them. Yeah, in terms of the kind of

482
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: player that he is. Just mean, nasty, violent, talks a

483
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: lot of trash like he Every every defense needs a

484
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: couple of those guys like tone setter. And I've had

485
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: a ton of fun, a ton of fun watching him.

486
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: Extremely strong, like you bought him one on one. He's

487
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: moving that that block, he's reset in the line of scrimmager.

488
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: He's pushing that player back into the quarterback. You know,

489
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings had another solid game on Sunday. You know

490
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: the numbers PFF.

491
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Fact, you know, I don't know that you got one more.

492
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: Who did they miss?

493
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Leonard Taylor?

494
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he bought the field goal. We'll get to that, okay. Yeah.

495
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: The the PFF numbers were friendly, really friendly. They had

496
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: it with over a fifty percent pressure eight in this game.

497
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: They had Milton Williams with eight pressures. Saw that it

498
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: was a little much why catching it back. Personally, you know,

499
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: I think that it was very good. I don't know

500
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: if it was fifty one percent pressure rate with you

501
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: know Milton with eight, I don't know about that, but

502
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: it was really good. I you know, next Gen had

503
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: it at thirty five point one percent pressure rate. So

504
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: if you want to split the baby and say it

505
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: was somewhere around forty, you know, it's still really good.

506
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: But I thought the other thing that was really key

507
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: in this game, other than just the pressure on Stidham,

508
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: was you know, their ability to stop the run game.

509
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: And I thought they would be able to stop the run.

510
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't too worried about the Broncos running the ball,

511
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: but holding them to just over three yards per carry on,

512
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, running back runs, not Stidham scrambles or Stidham

513
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: keeps a forest. Jared Sidham to drop back thirty seven

514
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: times in this game, with the second half being played

515
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: in the Blizzard like, I don't think that was the

516
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: plan for Denver. That was not their path. Their path

517
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: was not a thirty seven drop back game for Jared Stidham.

518
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: Their path was not to be in a lot of

519
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: third downs where the Patriots you know, pass rush Katie

520
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 2: off and they could get into their blitz package. That

521
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: was not a recipe for success for the Broncos. So

522
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: being able to stop the run, taking away some of

523
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: their balance, enforcing this game into Jared Sidham's hands is

524
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: why we're talking about going to the Super Bowl. That

525
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: was That was the game. The last couple of things

526
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: on defense, and we'll get to some of the other

527
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: some of the highlights on offense. I thought there were

528
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: some good things. Craig Woodson. I just keep on banging

529
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: the drum for Craig Woodson deserves a lot more love.

530
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: I want to give him that love. I mean, played

531
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: more defensive snaps than any Patriots player on defense this

532
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: season as a fourth round rookie and has played extremely well.

533
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: If you go watch that fourth and one play again,

534
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: it's him in the flat that takes away the running

535
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: back in the flat. It's a fast the flat play

536
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: where they're going to boot the quarterback out, They're going

537
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 2: to run the running back in the flat and they

538
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: run a little pick route, you know, little joy and

539
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Humphy's trying to pick the man that's on R. J.

540
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: Harvey in the flat and Craig Woodson sees the pick

541
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: and falls off little Jordan Humphrey and sit days in

542
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: the flat. Like if he gets picked off on that play,

543
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: even with Milton Williams is pressure, then the play is

544
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: still going to have a chance to pick up a yard.

545
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: So Craig Woodson switches off there, makes a great play

546
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: to do that and basically saves the play as well.

547
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: Like I think he deserves as much credit as Milton

548
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: Williams does on the play forgetting that stop. Also had

549
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: to run stuff, took away a deep shot before halftime.

550
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just been terrific for a guy that

551
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: is a fourth round rookie to be playing as much

552
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: as he is and to have the playoff run that

553
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: he's had. They got a real player here with Craig Woodson.

554
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: I think this is a trending towards being a real

555
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: hit for this personnel staff in the fourth round, which

556
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: is not easy to do.

557
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: No, it's not. He's been He's been excellent.

558
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: So a couple more things defensively, Like I said, I thought,

559
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: you know, man coverage why I thought the corners were

560
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: really really good. Now, the Broncos were short handed at receiver,

561
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: which definitely helped, but against manton Man in this game,

562
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: Jared Sidham six to fifteen for just thirty six yards

563
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: with an interception. So when they went to manton Man

564
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: and we'll get to some of the zone stuff, which

565
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: I thought was a little shaky later, but when they

566
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: got when they were in manton Man, they were really good.

567
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: I mean they were. It looked like they were basically

568
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: unfazed by whether it was Sutton Mims, whoever was out there.

569
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 2: It really just kind of looked like a walk in

570
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: the park for Christian Zales and Carlon Davis and Marcus Jones,

571
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: like they really looked unfazed by any of those guys,

572
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: especially once Gonza was like all right, Mims, like you

573
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: got you got by me once, you know, I'm not

574
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: gonna let that happen again. This was pretty dominant from

575
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: that point onto the game.

576
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you mentioned, it was against a lesser group,

577
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: but kind of like you said, with the you know,

578
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: the defense as the hole against the backup quarterback, this

579
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: is what you want to see. They made them look

580
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: like back it's gonna be a lot a lot tougher.

581
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

582
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: Next week in San Francis, US go against these Seattle receivers.

583
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: But I felt throughout the playoffs the and maybe this

584
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: is because they're playing more man And we talked about

585
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: this all season. Why are they playing so much zone

586
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: when they have the man personnel. The part of the

587
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: reason I think the pass rush has been better is

588
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: they have more time. Yeah, because these corners have really

589
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: been locked down and they're giving the pass rush more

590
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: time to get to the quarterback. It allows you more

591
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: freedom to blitz as well because you trust these guys

592
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: in one on one coverage. Again, whole other level when

593
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: we get to JSN Rashichi Eat and Cooper Cup. But

594
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: so far that the secondary has really been locked down

595
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and it's opened things up for Zach

596
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: Korr and the defensive front.

597
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's definitely your point about feeling good

598
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: about blitzing because you know those guys can hold up.

599
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Is definitely part of it, a huge part of it.

600
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: And then I think then it starts to marry it

601
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: start it, Yeah, and then it starts to marry you

602
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: know where like the blitzers are getting home, which are

603
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: causing throws to be a little off or a little early.

604
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: He threw one to Courtland Sutton that Courtland Sutton kind

605
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: of got a little bit of separation at the top

606
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: of the round on the one behind. Yeah, but it's

607
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: behind and it's low because Christnellis is right in his face,

608
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: you know, on the blitz. There was another one later

609
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: on where a little Jordan Humphrey didn't even turn around

610
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: yet and the ball is whizzing by his head because

611
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: again the blitz gets home and it's early, you know,

612
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: he has to throw it early before court, before little

613
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Humphrey is ready, you know, to catch the football.

614
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: So it all kind of marries up at that point

615
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: where the initial stages of the route, these corners are

616
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: shutting guys down to give the pass rush that time

617
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: to get home, and the pass rush is getting home,

618
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: which is then affecting the throw right, And that's what

619
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: you want to see. That that's the good marriage that

620
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: you want to see. So let's move over to the offense,

621
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: because I do think there was a few good things

622
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: on offense that we're promising. You know, I kind of

623
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: split Drake made the passer and Drake made the runner.

624
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: He was really good with his legs in this game,

625
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: really kind of kept the offensive float on a day

626
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: where the offense struggled, you know, six or ten for

627
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: sixty five with the touchdown obviously, twenty eight yard scramble,

628
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: sixteen yard scrambled, thirteen yard scramble, a quarterback draw touchdown

629
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: which was a really nice call by Josh McDaniels, and

630
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: of course the boot to end it. It was a

631
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: big part of the reason why some of the advanced

632
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: metrics in this game. Alex didn't absolutely hate Drake May's performance,

633
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: you know, because he was able to impact the game

634
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: with his legs. Specifically, I thought the twenty eight yard

635
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: scramble was a really good run to get out and

636
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: then he makes the safety miss and get an extra

637
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen yards there in the open field. And

638
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: of course the naked at the end is just you know,

639
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: that's going to go down in Patriot's history, especially if

640
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: they finish this off. So Drake made the runner really good,

641
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna have some opportunities against Seattle

642
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: because they tend to be aggressive with all those stunting

643
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: and the four man rushes that they run. They tend

644
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: to be aggressive with their way the way that they

645
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: pass rush. And when you play a guy like Matthew Stafford,

646
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: you can be aggressive because he can't move so right now,

647
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: hopefully Drake May is going to be able to get

648
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: out of the pocket and make some plays with his legs.

649
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: But I thought that Drake May at least made some

650
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: plays with his legs to give them some semblance of

651
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: offense in this game.

652
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the value in it. You know. Again,

653
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who just said I'd rather him run less

654
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: than more and just you know, keep him healthy and

655
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: things like that. But it's a great card to have

656
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: when you need it, and especially as the conditions deteriorated. Yeah,

657
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if they win the game without his legs,

658
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: so it was great to see him do that. Hopefully

659
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: he could be more of a difference maker as a

660
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: thrower against Seattle, but just that threat, just having shown it,

661
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: it's now something they have to respect and it's going

662
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: to make them play defense differently.

663
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Last one on offense, and then we'll get to your boy,

664
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: Lenny T. I just thought again, even though this was

665
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: not a great box score game for him, ramondre Stevenson,

666
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: I thought was nails in this game, you know, just really,

667
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, we'll talk about the blitz pick up here

668
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: in a sect. Some of the blitz pickups he had

669
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: in this game were just phenomenal. But even some of

670
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: the dirty yards that he gained in the run game

671
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: when Denver really was not moving very much, he just

672
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: kind of carved out some eleven twelve yard runs, some

673
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: five yard runs that probably should have been you know,

674
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: no gain or one yard, and he's just fine increases

675
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: and you know, hitting the hole and pushing piles and

676
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: things like that. There's some really tough dirty running in

677
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: this game from rmondre Stevenson and then the blitz pick ups.

678
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: The blitz pick up. If you guys haven't seen this,

679
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: go back and watch ramondre Stevenson on the flee flicker.

680
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: That is one of the best blocks I've seen all year.

681
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: You know, he pitches the ball back to Drake May,

682
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: Alex Singleton blitzes right through the gap. He pitches the

683
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: ball back to Drake May, turns around, absorbs the contact

684
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: from Alex Singleton and saves the play. Like Drake May

685
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: probably should have been on his butt if it wasn't

686
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: for ramondre Stevenson and standing up Alex Singleton. There I wanted,

687
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: like I said, one of the best blocks I've seen

688
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: all year on tape from a running back, especially given

689
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: the fact that he had to you know, plea flicker

690
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 2: it back to Drake May. It wasn't like his eyes

691
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: were upfield the whole time. And he turns back around

692
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: and just you know, sits down and anchors and absorbs

693
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: the contact. He also on the twenty eight yard scramble,

694
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 2: which was one of their biggest plays in this game,

695
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: they run a little stunt on the left hand side

696
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: of the Patriots offensive line and ramondre Stevenson gets switched

697
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: on to Zack Allen somehow, and he bought Zach Allen. Yeah,

698
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: like he didn't he he died slowly, which is all

699
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: you need you ask for it. He won running back

700
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: in that situation. Drake May doesn't get out of the

701
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: pocket and pick up twenty eight yards on that scramble,

702
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: if ramondre Stevenson doesn't do that and pick up Zach

703
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: Allen and all Pro defensive tackle against a running back

704
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: and ramondre Stevenson survived down like that is an incredible

705
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: play by a running back. So looking ahead again a

706
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: little bit with Seattle, I mentioned all the gaming or

707
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: the stunting that they do up front. My Rabel mentioned

708
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: it yesterday. I would not be surprised one bit if

709
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: m Andre Stevenson's basically a sixth offensive lineman in a

710
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: lot of this game.

711
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I go back to, do you remember in that draft

712
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: I some maybe it was you who said this. Somebody

713
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: said this that, like coming away from the Senior Bowl,

714
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson is like having an extra tackle on the field.

715
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible.

716
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Somebody said that if you want. But you're really starting

717
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: to see that.

718
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: Especially on the interior. You know, they'll put him up

719
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: like in the line of scrimmage, like kind of right

720
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: in the in the.

721
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: A gap there a full back.

722
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they what they're doing is like they're sliding

723
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: the line a particular way, and if somebody hits that gap,

724
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: then they just know Remondre Stevenson's there to pick it up.

725
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what happened. Was Zach Allen like

726
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: looping around. I just can't. I can't. It's stress enough

727
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: how ridiculous it is to want as a running back.

728
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: I think they've done this a couple of times, but

729
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: like eventually they're gonna have one of those looks because

730
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: you know it's a tell once he goes up and

731
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: stands right behind it usually stands in the gap in

732
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: the a gap, right Yeah, Yeah, you're like, okay, it's

733
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: a pass play because Drake May is essentially now alone

734
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: in the shotgun that the check and release on that

735
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: that they hit eventually is going to go for a

736
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: big game.

737
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they and he'll He'll do that like if they

738
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: don't scheme the rush, if they don't blitz or they

739
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: don't stunt, like he'll kind of leak out late into

740
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: the pattern as a checkdown option there. I just think

741
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 2: that he's just been nails. I mean he's just been

742
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: really really good throughout this this entire playoff run, really

743
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: for the last like second.

744
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Half since he was a toe injury, right yeah, ever

745
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: since he came back from that toe injury, he's playing

746
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the best football of his life.

747
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been impressive. Last thing here on the good

748
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: list is, of course, the blocked field goal. Not not

749
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: really like anything super sexy about how they got it blocked,

750
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: but they just overloaded the left side of the protection there.

751
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: They put six guys on one side, which is the

752
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: maximum that you can put on one side of the

753
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: long snapper and they were able to two on one

754
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: the blocker there with Dirten and let Taylor and Leonard

755
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: Taylor ends up being the one. You know, Dirtan kind

756
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: of like took him out, you know, he kind of

757
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: went low. Leonard Taylor goes high and h leaps up

758
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: and gets the ball. What a story, you know, a

759
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: guy that's a practice squad elevation cut by the Jets,

760
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: picked up by the Patriots on the practice squad and

761
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: might have saved the season. He might have saved the season.

762
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: Isn't that? And I know that you have practice squad

763
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: elevations back then, but isn't that so textbook like Patriots

764
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Dynasty that Yes, here's this defensive tackle that Bill. And

765
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: by the way we are I've seen some people in

766
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: YouTube wondering we are going to talk about Bill. Oh yeah,

767
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: we'll get to that's second our topic. But yeah, like

768
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Bill fin the Jets cut this guy. Bill finds him

769
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: and he's just this gritty player and earns this little

770
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: role and carves it out and boom there he is

771
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: one of the biggest moments of the year making a

772
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: great play that that just feels so og Patriots Dynasty.

773
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: So credit to the credit to Leonard Taylor, great play.

774
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely credit to him. Loved some of his quotes after

775
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, he was feeling that I was. I

776
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: asked him, like, was there anything that you guys saw

777
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: on film with their protection that you guys exploited or

778
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: anything like that. He was like, Nope, we just knocked

779
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: the dudes over. Like it wasn't anything fancy at all.

780
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, you know, oh we knew the the

781
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: you know, snapper, the holder had this tail or. No,

782
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: it was literally just we were more physical at the

783
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: point of attack than they were. So really cool. So

784
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: there was, you know, plenty of of good things I

785
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: thought from the offense and the last one out. Did

786
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: I mention matc Collins? I didn't mention him yet. No.

787
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: I had last one Macs and it.

788
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Has the two biggest pass plays of the game, you know,

789
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: the thirty one yard flee flicker and the twenty yard

790
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: incut that he had on third down. I thought the

791
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: twenty both those were Drake May's best throws of the game.

792
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: They were both to maccollins.

793
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

794
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: The incut to him on third down was like, oh

795
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: mac collins is back right, Like that's like the mccollins around,

796
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, so that was really good to see. I

797
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: thought his balking was a little bit rusty, but you know, overall,

798
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: it was good to see him back making big plays

799
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: for them in the passing game. The flee flicker was

800
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: a beauty. It was a really nice throw in a

801
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: good route, a good sell. This is a player that's

802
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: important to this offense, I think, you know, as we

803
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: move forward here a big picture with Drake May having

804
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: a six foot four you know, I like to call

805
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: him accuracy erasers, where like the ballplacement doesn't have to

806
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: be perfect because they have great catch radiuses. Although the

807
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: flea flicker was perfect, but in general you don't have

808
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: to have, you know, the most perfect accuracy because of

809
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: his catch radius and his size. Those seem to be

810
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: the type of guys that Drake May likes throwing too.

811
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: As you know, these big size, speed guys like Matt Collins.

812
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: So I would love to see them, you know, continue

813
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: with Matt Collins, of course, but you know, maybe try

814
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: to target some of those guys moving forward in the

815
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: draft or free agency or whatever. So good to see

816
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: Matt Collins back.

817
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done a little little peaking at the Senior Bowl.

818
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: Seems like there's some good size at receiver. It feels weird,

819
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: like that snuck up? Did it sneak up on you?

820
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: This year? I haven't paid a second of attention I.

821
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Got, which is kind of it was so funny because

822
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: this has obviously been like a huge week for us

823
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: the last couple of years.

824
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've been there.

825
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: I've been in day at noon, I get an ESPN

826
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: alert like intrigue, get the Senior Bowl prospects to watch

827
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: for him, Like yeah, oh that's it's It is kind

828
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: of funny, just like how full circles thing has come.

829
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, I mean I like to catch up

830
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: on it.

831
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: It's been fun I'm not like complaining about either. The

832
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: last couple of years. You know, we were in the

833
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl together. My first year working for the team

834
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: was at twenty twenty two, right twenty.

835
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Three, twenty I think twenty three going into twenty three

836
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: February twenty three, and.

837
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Then we were I've been at the Senior Bowl the

838
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: last two years since then, so I've been at all

839
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: these college all star games and things like that. And

840
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: when we were already onto the draft at this point,

841
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: and we've been doing it for It's going to be

842
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: a sprint this year. I know I'm all worried about it.

843
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna We'll have time to catch up, all right,

844
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: that's a tomorrow problem. That's like a two weeks or

845
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: going to the bads here. We already kind of talked

846
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: about the REP. Yeah, I didn't mean to do it

847
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: like that. I kind of talked about the receiver separation

848
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: stuff in the past protection, which were two of the

849
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: things I highlighted just really quickly though. I thought they

850
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: you know, Stevenson did sneak out of the backfield with

851
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: Benito falling out of the rush on him on one play,

852
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: and that was like the one time that the scheme

853
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 2: kind of got the Patriots there on the left side.

854
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: Uh.

855
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: And now those are the reps that you don't want

856
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: to see. I you're gonna lose one on one against

857
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: good pass rushers. It's gonna happen.

858
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: You know.

859
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Benito is gonna win a Rep. Zach Allen's gonna win

860
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: a Rep. Franklin Myers is gonna Rep win a Rep.

861
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: Cooper is gonna win a Rep. Those guys are good.

862
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: They're gonna win reps. You know, same thing with Seattle's

863
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: pass rush when they get one on ones. I don't

864
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 2: like seeing like scheme mental errors, right Like, I don't

865
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: like that. That That to me is where I have

866
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: a little bit of anxiousness about it. They had Ramandra

867
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: Stevenson on that deep corner route They've run it a

868
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: million times called scissors, you know most of the time,

869
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: where you have the vertical on the back side that

870
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: clears it out, and then Remandre just releases vertically out

871
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: of the backfield on like a little corner route, and

872
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: they got Benino to drop out of the rush off

873
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: the edge on him. It's the same exact throw that

874
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: Drake May made against the Jets for a touchdown pass

875
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: to Stevenson, same play, and they got it again. They

876
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: got the look again. Obviously, this one was covered a

877
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: little bit better because it's the Broncos and the APS

878
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: Championship game and not the Jets. But the throw was there,

879
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: and it was there, and they got confused there on

880
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: the left side Campbell and Wilson, and they left Roach.

881
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: Malcolm Roach, one of the biggest guys on their defensive line,

882
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: just came through unblocked and it blew up the play.

883
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: If that plays blocked, well, touchdown, I think you know,

884
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: I've seen Drake may make that throw in his sleep.

885
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: So that one was a little bit troubling. But we

886
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: kind of already talked about all that and one other

887
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: thing on the that I had just from a defensive perspective,

888
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: they were not great in zone coverage in this game

889
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: at times, especially not great in quarters. And the reason

890
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: why I bring this up is not to hammer the

891
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: defense after they just gave up seven points in the

892
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: ADS Championship game. I bring it up because against these

893
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: West Coast offenses that they're going to face in the

894
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl of Seattle, quarters is usually the kryptonite for

895
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: that So if you want to play whether it's Shanahan McVeigh,

896
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, super Bowl fifty three, it's like quarters three buzzes,

897
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: like the game plan for the Patriots. I expect them

898
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: to want to play a lot of quarters in the

899
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: game in Super Bowl sixty. It's just the way that

900
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: that system kind of plays out. And we can talk

901
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: about next week or later today why that is. But

902
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: in this game, Jared Sidham four for five sixty nine

903
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: yards passing, including the fifty two yard bomb to Marvin

904
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: Mims all came against quarters, so he was it was

905
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: his most successful. They gave up a third down play

906
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: in quarters to Lil Jordan Humphrey where they didn't play

907
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: the flat very well. They didn't exchange the flat very

908
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: well there with Marcus Jones and Carlton Davis. The bomb

909
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: was on quarters on the bomb is really quickly to

910
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: the one on Mims. I know Jalen Hawkins is catching

911
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: some heat for that play. I don't think that that's

912
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: on Jalen Hawkins. It looks to me like they're playing

913
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: what's called poach, which is a match quarters call where

914
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: the backside safety or the weak safety there, which is Hawkins,

915
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: He's got his eyes and his body open to the

916
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: three receiver side. It's a three by one check to quarters.

917
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: So he's looking at number three to the passing straight

918
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: meaning the inside slot receiver to that side of the field.

919
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: When that slot receiver, which he does, he runs a

920
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: vertical across the field, it's Jalen Hawkins's job to match

921
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: that route, so he's not helped to Christian Gonzalez. Christian

922
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: Gonzalez on the backsides one on one with Marvin Mims.

923
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: So what I think happened is that when they motioned,

924
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: they motioned at the last second right before the snap

925
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: Denver did and they motioned the receiver from two by

926
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: two to three by one, And when they motioned to

927
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: three by one, it seemed like Jalen Hawkins kind of

928
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: checked in his head into into Poach into the quarters check,

929
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: and Christian Gonzales might not have gotten the message that

930
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: they were checking into Poacher straight quarters there. So I

931
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: think it might have been a little bit of a

932
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: miscommunication in terms of where Gonzales thought his help was

933
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: coming from. But at the end of the day, wants

934
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: to play kind of was ball snapped and the play unfolded,

935
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, he just got beat like he just the

936
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: guy just ran by him, you know, Mams just beat

937
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: him over the top. So I just wanted to kind

938
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: of explain that because I know that a lot of

939
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: people think he was passing the route off to Jalen Hawkins,

940
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: which just based off the coverage and the look that

941
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins was the technique I should say that he

942
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: was playing. It just didn't really make much sense that

943
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: would have been the case. So I think they have

944
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: to kind of go into the lab a little bit

945
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: here in the next ten days and just make sure

946
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: that they're really buttoned up in their quarters looks, because

947
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna have to call a decent amount

948
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: of split safety zone, whether it's cover two or quarters

949
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: against the Seattle offense. The stuff that gets you beat.

950
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: I had one thing on here. It's just Drake made

951
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: the passer, you know, whatever it is, shoulder fatigue, just

952
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: good defense, bad weather, like whatever doll Is chocked up

953
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: to me, got throw the ball better exactly. You know

954
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: that that's really what it is. You know, I had

955
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: five throws in this game that I thought were arerant,

956
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, inaccurate passes. You could argue six. And then

957
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: I also had to turnover worthy play where he put

958
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: threw the ball to Ufunga, And yeah, he was fooled

959
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: on that one. That wasn't necessarily like a bad throw.

960
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: That was you know, he got he got beat us

961
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: schematically with that throw. But you know, he short armed

962
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: to check down to Remondre in the flat, which wasn't

963
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: going to be a first down, but it was just

964
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: he's still short armed it. You know, he I thought

965
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: he was kind of and high to pop Douglas on

966
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: that whole shot.

967
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually automatic.

968
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Later in the game, the dig route to Booty

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 2: before halftime short armed it threw him a dirt ball.

970
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: He also missed a load of Booty again on that

971
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: glance route off to play action play that the ball

972
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: just went straight down. And then he sprayed an out

973
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: to Booty as well on a drive that they ended

974
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: up not scoring on I think right or kicking a

975
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 2: field goal there isn't. I think it was the nine

976
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: minute drive. So all of these throws just uncharacteristic misses,

977
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, Hunter Henry dropped one, But I also thought

978
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: that one was like kind of like a mini spray,

979
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: where like it wasn't really on the body, it was

980
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: kind of outside his frame. Probably still should have caught it.

981
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: But overall, you know, he's just got to throw the

982
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: ball better. Like if they're gonna be in Seattle, this

983
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 2: is not gonna get be good enough.

984
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll add one more that gets you beat Yep, Bryce

985
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: Behinger needs to be better. That was altitude.

986
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

987
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I even before the snow, he was struggling the kickers,

988
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: I give more of a break. They were both struggling.

989
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: That was a tough day to kick. Also another really

990
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: good reminder right out of Vin Terry should have been

991
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer because that's.

992
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: Not We'll get to that, we'll get to to.

993
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, just too many, like multiple shanks from Bearinger

994
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: and you saw their punter kicking while on the same conditions.

995
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I was watching the game in the

996
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: press box with no socks who you you know as well,

997
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: and no socks. It was me, no socks, Fred, you

998
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: know up there in the press box. And obviously we

999
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: were talking about Bearinger's struggles. But the last punt that

1000
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: he had, I want to say it was the last one,

1001
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: or maybe it was the one out of the end zone.

1002
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: I think it was the last one because it was

1003
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: a little it was a little bit further out. It

1004
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: wasn't out of the end zone. It was like thirty

1005
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: something yards and everybody was killing them obviously for the punt.

1006
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say in his defense, the one

1007
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: thing that I thought in the moment was you cannot

1008
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: let Marvinie touch.

1009
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: But I do think there was an element.

1010
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: Of Marvin Mims was the only way that they were

1011
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: going to score.

1012
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: I do think there was an element of kicking away

1013
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: from Marvin Mims had to have that might have been

1014
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, I factor that into him struggling, but also

1015
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: like he's got such a strong leg, that's his trait,

1016
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: get it as far as you can and out of bounds,

1017
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: So that kind of thing instead of just doing the

1018
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: pop up fair enough.

1019
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: Now, the other thing I would mention is that at

1020
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 2: that point in the game, they were kicking into the wind.

1021
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the wind was this This is more of

1022
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: the whole game. This isn't just just the he had

1023
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: other ones earlier.

1024
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to, you know, tell the whole picture here.

1025
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you that it was not a good game.

1026
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: I do I do like I do think party was

1027
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: kicking away from Mims.

1028
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: You absolutely like they're the only thing. And it kind

1029
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: of gave me flashbacks to that Jets Patriots game when

1030
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones house the punt return to win the game. Yea,

1031
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: the only way the Patriots were going to give up

1032
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: a touchdown in that game was Marvin Mims hunt housing

1033
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 2: a punt return like it was the only way.

1034
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: No. I think we talked about I talked about on

1035
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: some previous kickoffs too. I said, kick the ball out

1036
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: of the end zone. Don't let mim right and there

1037
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: by the way, it's gonna be a thing again with Rashichi.

1038
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, we do have another coaching opening field. Uh oh,

1039
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: you want to update on that. The Cleveland Browns have

1040
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: hired Todd Monk.

1041
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that's out of nowhere. I didn't like. I knew

1042
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: he was kind of a hot after Lamar's MVP season, but.

1043
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had trouble following the interviews. But so he

1044
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: stays in the AFC North.

1045
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of a out of left field.

1046
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: One is that, like, the candidate we want is in here,

1047
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: so we're gonna hire this old guy for a couple

1048
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: of years and.

1049
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: Probably like that feels like one that maybe would have

1050
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: made more sense last year after Lamar won MVP or

1051
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: had the season he had. He didn't famously didn't win MVP.

1052
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: Sorry I should have won MVP, but you know, after

1053
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: Lamar's MVP caliber season put it to you that way.

1054
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: But interesting, Yeah, and they are.

1055
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz is still under contract and quote the team

1056
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: wants him to stay, according to Schefter.

1057
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: Interesting that one is on my mind a little bit

1058
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: with Jim Schwartz if he needs like a gap year

1059
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: stop with his relationship with Mike rabel as sort of

1060
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: like a senior defensive assistant, just to help a young

1061
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: coordinator like Zach Kor out. It would be interesting some

1062
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: of the coaching stuffs on my list of second hour

1063
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: topics as well, because we got to talk a little

1064
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: bit about the Bills, and I also want to like

1065
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: really talk like really briefly about Tanner ex Strand and

1066
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: with the Jets wait so long to I thought he

1067
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: was like the only good thing about that Jets team

1068
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: watching their film twice, which was painful. The only thing

1069
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: that I thought that the Jets did well last year

1070
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: is I thought their scheme offensively was pretty solid. Yeah yeah,

1071
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: and then like even with justin fields like they got,

1072
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: they they did what they could with a limited quarterback,

1073
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, likecos Yeah, I mean Week one against Pittsburgh,

1074
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: like that was a legitimately good film from an offensive coordinator.

1075
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: So I thought that that was weird. So we'll get

1076
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: to all that in the second hour, and of course

1077
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Speaker 2: All right, we are back here for the second hour

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Speaker 2: some of these news and notes, do a little Seattle preview.

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00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: We're going to also open the calls and the emails.

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Speaker 2: Has got a bunch of emails coming in. Uh eight

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Speaker 2: five to five pats five hundred is the phone number.

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Speaker 2: I feel like some people have now caught on that

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Speaker 2: we don't do calls. The first hour of the show,

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Speaker 2: which I really appreciate. So if you want to call

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Speaker 2: it now, then go right ahead and we'll get you

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Speaker 2: on the air. But before we open it up, Alex,

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Speaker 2: I just want to clear the floor here a little

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00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: bit for us to talk about Bill Belichick getting snubbed

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00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: as a first ballot Hall of Famer. This is something

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00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: that frankly, I I want to be measured with because

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00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: I get fired up about it.

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00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: All Right, if you want to stay measured, to go

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00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: for it, I won't be.

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00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: I get measured. I got I get fired up about

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00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: this because I'm not usually the guy that's as everybody

1139
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 2: hates the Patriots and y'all like, and.

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00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: You're also you're such a Blair history of the game, and.

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00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: That's not usually my angle, And that's why I think it,

1142
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: you know, even more like I feel like this is

1143
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: kind of has more credence because I feel so strongly

1144
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: that the Pro Football Hall of Fame for years now

1145
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: has had this anti Patriots bias towards the dynasty that

1146
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 2: I just can't really understand. And it's one thing to

1147
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: drag Rodney Harrison through the mud. It's one thing to

1148
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: leave Adam Vin Terry who is a place kicker off

1149
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: the first bat. No, just relax. It's one thing to

1150
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: do all that kind of stuff, because you know what

1151
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: I it's it should be hard to get into the

1152
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. All those types of things

1153
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: I have bothered me, but nothing, Nothing has bothered me

1154
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: more than hearing this news about Bill Belichick. This is

1155
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: embarrassing for the Hall of Fame, flat out, and there's

1156
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: absolutely no good argument for it. It's out of pettiness,

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00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: is what it is. It's out of some disdain for

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00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 2: the man, either because he dominated your favorite team, or

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: he wasn't nice to you at you know, the owner's

1160
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: meetings or something like that. This has nothing to do

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00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: with his resume, has nothing to do with what he's

1162
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: accomplished on the field. This is all political that he

1163
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: is not being put into the Hall of Fame on

1164
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: the first ballot. And I personally feel and this is

1165
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: not Gary Myers because I want to publicly shame these

1166
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: people or you know, their house, I think, is what

1167
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: he said. This is because there needs to be accountability

1168
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: for this process because time and time again, this voting

1169
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: body has left people that are Locke Hall of Famers

1170
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: out of the Hall of Fame for reasons that are

1171
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: not football related, and it's not just Patriots, but it's

1172
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: happening a lot with Patriots, with mister Kraft, with Bill Belichick,

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00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: with Adam van Terry, which I don't know what you

1174
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: have against Adam van Ry, Like, I don't understand that

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00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: one at all. But even you know, this voting body

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00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: is the same voting body that took three years to

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00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: put Terrell Owens in the Hall of Fame, that last

1178
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: year did not have Luke Keighley on the Hall of

1179
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: Fame ballot. You know this is not just Patriots. So

1180
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: at this point to the Hall of Fame voters, the

1181
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: reason why we want names is because you've lost the

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00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: trust of the public to get this right. That's what

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00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: it is. It's not because we want to publicly shame

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00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: you for getting it wrong. It's because you no longer

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00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: have the trust of the public that you are going

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00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: to vote correctly, and so you've lost that, You've lost

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: that privilege of animity. It's so much easy you're to

1188
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: hide behind that. And so this I think the one

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: solace that I have in all of this, because there's

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00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: not very much because this is a sad day yesterday

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00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: Sad day for the sport.

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00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: The one thing that I would say that gives me

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00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: some hope is no one has argued the other side

1195
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: that means anything, Like I'm not talking about some random

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00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: guy on Twitter. I'm talking about the outpouring support of

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00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: how did this happen? Has been pretty remarkable, Like it's

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00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: really been unanimous.

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Speaker 1: For somebody who like pissed off a lot of the league. Yeah,

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: but he did it because he was great. And at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, as much as they hate

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00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cutch off you find this, but as

1203
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: much as they hated him, and yeah, other teams had

1204
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: a right hate Bill Belichick and kick their ass up

1205
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: and down, right, but they respect They recognized and respected

1206
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: how great he was what he did, and that's what

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00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: it's a It's about respect.

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00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is not This is not a This

1209
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: is not like a small thing. This is the most

1210
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: prestigious honor in the sport and for a guy, this

1211
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: is not a small thing.

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00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: You because I got a hole.

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00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: It's okay, Yeah, I'll let you go in a second.

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00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: This is not this is not a small thing that

1215
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: you're voting on here, you need to This is not, uh,

1216
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, the the jelly of the month club that

1217
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: he's getting voted into. This is the Pro Football Hall

1218
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: of Fame, and my opinion is the most prestigious honor

1219
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: that any player or coach could be given in the sport.

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: It is not and that's exactly what it is. And

1221
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: it is not your opportunities a voter to settle a score, right,

1222
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: are you go ahead? So you called it embarrassment, it is.

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00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: It's disqualifying. As far as I'm concerned, today pro football

1224
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: has no Hall of Fame.

1225
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Speaker 2: I love it.

1226
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: Because if that guy's look. Part of the reason historically

1227
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame was good is it

1228
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: had a higher bar than baseball in basketball, I admittedly

1229
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: don't know a ton about the hockey Hall of Fame,

1230
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: but it had a higher bar. But if that is

1231
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: so high that Bill Belichick, oh, you cannot get in,

1232
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: it's disqualifying. And credit to the voters who voted for him,

1233
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: who have come out, who have broken the protocol and

1234
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: said they did and called out their fellow voters who

1235
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: didn't appreciate you. But that entire body right now has

1236
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: a massive black mark on it. Bill Belichick is the

1237
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: biggest snub from any Hall of Fame in all of sports.

1238
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I believe he is bigger than Bonds. I believe he

1239
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: is bigger than Rose. I know some people that's not

1240
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: technically a snub, whatever, he is the biggest Hall of

1241
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: Fame snub in all of sports. Even if he gets

1242
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: in next year, he will never be a first ballot

1243
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, And that is wrong. It is the

1244
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: job of that voting body in that institution to be

1245
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: stewards for the history of this sport as a hallowed responsibility.

1246
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: And there is no bigger historian of this sport, no

1247
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: bigger history appreciator of the history of the sport than

1248
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick.

1249
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: They have and that part of it too. Like the

1250
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: guy that you know did the NFL one hundred and

1251
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: it was part of the centennial team selection. And I

1252
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: remember a couple of years ago when they played the

1253
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: Browns in Cleveland, and part of his speech after the

1254
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: game was it was the Bailey Zappy game in Cleveland.

1255
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: He talked about Jim Brown.

1256
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: So he told the players first, he told the players

1257
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: that they should go out and look at the Ring

1258
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: of Honor in Cleveland because of all of the big

1259
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: games that are up there. Then when we left the

1260
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: left the stadium, they stopped the buses outside the Jim

1261
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 2: Brown statue and had everybody get off the buses, the

1262
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: players and stuff, to go look at the Jim Brown statue.

1263
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: This is a man that loves the history of the game. Yeah,

1264
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: and cares deeply about the history of the game. And

1265
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: if there's anybody that deserves to be into the Pro

1266
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame, I don't know anybody more deserving

1267
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: than Bill bobichel accomplishment and just on the history, his

1268
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: impact on the history of the game.

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: I always kind of wondered that we always sort of

1270
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: did the thing when Bill Belichick retires, what's he gonna do?

1271
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: Is he gonna go coach high school across? Is he

1272
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna do this or that?

1273
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I always part of.

1274
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: Me always thought he'd go run the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

1275
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: he's probably the most qualified person to do it, right,

1276
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: But they won't put him in. And I've I've longstanding

1277
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: had an issue with this body in this voting body exactly.

1278
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, this is their most egregious for a few years.

1279
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: I think they can't sink lower than this. They can't

1280
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: possibly I forget, if I can swear on the show,

1281
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: they can't possibly f up worse than this sink. And

1282
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: you know what I say this half jokingly, Evan, is

1283
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: Tom Brady gonna get in on the first ballot?

1284
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the fact that we even

1285
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: have to ask that, the fact that qualifying they've held

1286
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: it against mister Kraft, They've held it against Bill, so like,

1287
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: how could how could they not? Right? Like, the only

1288
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: way that you don't is that the difference is that

1289
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: he's a player, right, Like it's in most of the time,

1290
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: the player aspect of it changes it like that, That is,

1291
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: they have a little bit more of a different milk.

1292
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that, Like, it's almost like

1293
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: you can't put him in first ballot now because it

1294
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: just makes this one look even worse.

1295
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: Well, I would just say that on top of all

1296
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: the things that we've said. Yeah, the other part of

1297
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: this that I think is also disappointing is that now

1298
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: this whole process moving forward, including the candidates that do

1299
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: get in next week, it's all it's all tainted, tainted,

1300
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: it's all the Hall of the Pro Football Hall of.

1301
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: Fame as it stands today is tainted, right, and that's no.

1302
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: And it's going to be anybody five or six guys

1303
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: that get in next week.

1304
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: Can be unfair. Not that it's going to fix anything.

1305
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: I know this isn't exactly how the voting works, but

1306
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: last year they the by rules which are broken in

1307
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: their own right. And part of this is the broken system.

1308
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: But if you're the voters, push to fix the system,

1309
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: they have to put in between four and eight people

1310
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: each year. If it's less than eight this year and

1311
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: there's an empty spot when Bill Belichick didn't get in,

1312
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: holy crap. They what a horrible a cherry on top

1313
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: of the absolute s Sunday that this is. And to

1314
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: go back to your point, Adam n Arry not getting

1315
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: in I thought was a new low. The all time

1316
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: leader in the history of sport, the great. I don't

1317
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: care what his position is. He's the greatest ever to

1318
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: do it. And kicking in the snow ain't easy. Yeah,

1319
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: and playing football for twenty something years ain't easy, and

1320
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: he did that. And I don't want to just make

1321
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: this Patriots thing because it's not. Everybody should be upset

1322
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: about this. You mentioned Luke Keighley Luke Keighley. Yeah, he

1323
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: played because the Hall. It's all these personal agendas about well,

1324
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: longevity should matter. I didn't like this team or I

1325
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: didn't like this player. Sure, Luke Keigley had a little

1326
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: bit short of her career than the most seven years.

1327
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: He was an All Pro all seven years.

1328
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

1329
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: Whatever, they're moving out there, And I keep going back

1330
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: to this saying Evan, when I think about this, I

1331
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: know what I say saw. We as fans know what

1332
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: we saw. I watched Louke Keigley. That's a Hall If

1333
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: that's not a Hall of Fame player, I don't know

1334
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: what is. What's the point you mentioned Terrell Owens earlier,

1335
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: significantly significant, probably might be a top five receiver all time.

1336
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: Left off took him three years, took them.

1337
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: Three years, Marvin Harrison with lesser numbers, but he was

1338
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: on those Darling Golds teams right, gets in first bats.

1339
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: So you know I'm big on that.

1340
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: That's want to ask something on Owen's real quick? Yeah,

1341
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: I actually I'd forgotten about this until last night when

1342
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: I was looking this up. Terrell Owens didn't go to

1343
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: the induction. Terrell Owens was so upset and angry that

1344
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: he didn't get in. He went back to Chattanooga instead,

1345
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: where he played his college football. Yeah, and gave a

1346
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: speech there, and he said at the time, this is

1347
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: not about not being inducted on the first or second ballot.

1348
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: It's about the process in which guys are nominated and

1349
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: ultimately inducted. There was a flaw in that system. So

1350
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: this is not only about me, but it's about the

1351
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: guys that went before me that's going to come after me.

1352
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: And I can make a stand for those guys so

1353
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: they won't have to go through the situation now ten

1354
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: years ago. About ten years ago, I for things that

1355
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: here is about ten years He is exactly right, and

1356
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: this thing has been flawed for a long time and

1357
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: it should never have come to this. But it should

1358
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: not get past this. There should be major reform. This

1359
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: is a you know how I am about the history

1360
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: of the sport and how cannot get romantic about football

1361
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: all that. This is a black eye on the game

1362
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: itself and the voter should be ashamed.

1363
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree with that. I mean, you said, I

1364
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 2: think it's really I've I've had this like personal thing

1365
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: with the Pro Football Hall of Fame for a while

1366
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: because I think for me, and I'm gonna sound a

1367
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: little bit obnoxious per usual here, but for me it's twofold.

1368
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: One of it is the lack of transparency from the

1369
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: voting body is extremely annoying and frustrating because they put

1370
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 2: their nose up to some of the greats of the

1371
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: game like Bill Belichie, like Terrell Owens, like Adam Vinitaria,

1372
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: like Luke Keekley, and they do it on the with

1373
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: the ability to hide from the public and not have

1374
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: to own their vote, which I think is a big

1375
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: reason why you get like this, like petty nonsense like

1376
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: we got with Bill Belichick, because they don't need to

1377
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: answer to anybody for this, so they don't vote based

1378
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: off of an impartial, unbiased view. They vote based off

1379
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: of emotion and personal vendettas because they don't need to

1380
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: disclose their vote, so no one's going to call them

1381
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: out for it because they can hide. Okay, that's one thing.

1382
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: The other thing, and now is gonna sound obnoxious, and

1383
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: I get that. The other thing that I have an

1384
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: issue with the Pro Football Hall of Fame within the

1385
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: voting body is that, yes, a lot of the people

1386
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: that are part of the community that vote or the

1387
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: committee that vote, have a good historical perspective on the game.

1388
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: Because most of them are old as dirt, they have

1389
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: a good historical perspective. I strongly question their football acumen

1390
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 2: and they are actual.

1391
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: Football put on the tape.

1392
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I understand that you've covered the game for generations,

1393
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: and you understand how to compare players from eras and

1394
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: all that, and all that deserves a spot in the process,

1395
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: and that's why there are media members in the process.

1396
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 2: But to sit here and vote on some of the

1397
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: best players of their generation for Hall of Fame candidacies

1398
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: or coaches and not really fully understand what the job

1399
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 2: of that individual player or coach is is a problem,

1400
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 2: which is why there needs to be more people, in

1401
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: my opinion, that played or coached the game. Not Bill

1402
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: Pollian's of the world, by the way, but people that

1403
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: can be impartial about it, because frankly, like if you

1404
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: if you can't break down cover two, then I don't

1405
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: really care about what your football opinion is.

1406
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: It's a great point, and this is obviously not a

1407
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,919
Speaker 1: Belichick issue, but it's impacted some of the other Patriots

1408
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of other players. The Hall has free

1409
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: over a decade now. It's very much the traditional definition

1410
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: of positions, looking at the box score and how we're used, right,

1411
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: So that's why it took so long to get like

1412
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: a Richard Seymour Randall.

1413
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: That's why Vince will Fork is not up for consideration.

1414
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: Like if you know ball, you know how valuable Vince

1415
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: Wilfork was to the entire operation for.

1416
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: The It's but it's not even just the positional value

1417
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: thing like with will Fork or Vina Terry. If you

1418
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: play wide receiver, the Hall of Fame is looking for

1419
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: six foot three winds up at the X, you know,

1420
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: eighty catches, one thousand yards fifteen yards of catch. They

1421
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: because that's the only way that position was played for

1422
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: years and years and years. And as we come fifteen

1423
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: years removed now from that Arab specialization that kicked off

1424
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: midway through the two thousands, they'll look at even Wes Welker,

1425
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: who's a great slot receiver, they don't look at that

1426
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: as a separate position. They just see him as a

1427
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: guy that wasn't a textbook wide receiver, so he's not

1428
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: in I've been a long proponent of Larry centers, and

1429
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: that might go over some people's heads. Larry Centers wasn't

1430
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: that great. Go look at the historical context of Larry

1431
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: Centers as a pass catcher. He was catching one hundred

1432
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: passes in a season, a decade before any other running

1433
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: back did it. Like you look at the list of

1434
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: pass catching running backs, the truly elite ones. It's Tomlinson

1435
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I think we all agree. McCaffrey is

1436
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: Thompson in yet is he eligible? Okay, McCaffrey's going to

1437
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: get in. Matt Forte is on the bubble, but like

1438
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: ten years before them, is Larry Centers. But he's a

1439
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: fullback and it's not a running back's job to catch

1440
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: passes because it's nineteen eighty five, and so he's not in.

1441
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: When we get to like Devin Hester right away to year,

1442
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: but because he wasn't a great corner receiver, because returner

1443
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: is not a real position. When we get to Matthew Slater,

1444
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: we're going to do this again too.

1445
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,839
Speaker 2: I mean, good luck. They can't even get Bill Belichick

1446
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame or mister Kraft, We're not

1447
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: going to get Matthew Slater.

1448
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: But like this has been a big problem the way

1449
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: I feel like the vote. And again this isn't all,

1450
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: but it's enough to excuse the results. They and this

1451
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: is separate from Belichick, but well, we're on it. Let's

1452
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: do it. They use a dated view of the game

1453
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: and it coming out of the age of specialization. Is

1454
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: so damaging to do that.

1455
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, last point here on the Hall of Fame

1456
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 2: and then and then we'll move on unless you guys

1457
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: bring it up. The other thing that might bring it up,

1458
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: that always goes gets under my skin. And I've done

1459
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: this research and I have these numbers at the ready

1460
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: for things like this is when you look at the

1461
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 2: great dynasties of the modern era. I'm not going I'm sorry,

1462
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm not going back to autogram or a bart star

1463
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: in Vince Lambard.

1464
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: The super bowler is perfectly fair.

1465
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not.

1466
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: But I think those Packers teams do support your argument.

1467
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: So from nineteen seventy on is where I'm at. AFL,

1468
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: NFL merger, post merger, nineteen seventy Steelers, the freaking ball

1469
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: boys in the Hall of Fame for that team, they

1470
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: have ten Hall of Famers, ten Hall.

1471
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: Of Fame players plus coach and owners ten right, Yes, so.

1472
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: Ten Hall of Famers ten on that nineteen seventies Steelers team.

1473
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: That is insane. Ten. The Patriots have two from the dynasty,

1474
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: and the way that we're going right now, it's probably

1475
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: just gonna be Brady and maybe Gronk.

1476
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: Right like that, that and Seymour and law.

1477
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that the two that they currently have the nineteen

1478
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: seventies Steelers.

1479
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: We don't even know if will get it.

1480
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what doing right. I said that last

1481
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: night to I was like, I don't know.

1482
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, Frankly, if Kikley doesn't get it, and

1483
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 1: how much longer did Gronk play the day ten.

1484
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Famers players? Les is in the Hall of Fame?

1485
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 2: Aren't Rooney is in the Hall of Fame? Okay?

1486
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: And I understand I don't. It's not I don't want

1487
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 1: to speak for you.

1488
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 4: Like.

1489
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: That's not to say that some of those guys don't

1490
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: deserve me.

1491
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 2: Most of them do. Most of them do. But my

1492
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 2: point is is that they are the Patriots. They are

1493
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: being recognized for their their dominance in that decade of

1494
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 2: the NFL. Okay, and the Patriots had two decades worth

1495
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 2: of dominance and can barely get their coach into the

1496
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. So this seventy Steelers had ten you know,

1497
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: the players, plus coach plus owner. You'd know that one

1498
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: goes right up my backside. It has for years. The

1499
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: fry cook in the kitchen of the Pittsburgh Steelers facility

1500
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy probably could get into the Hall of

1501
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: Fame before Bill Belichick. It is ridiculous, ridiculous. And let's

1502
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: also just mention with the seventies Steelers, the one guy

1503
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: that always comes up is Lin Swan, right, who did

1504
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 2: not have great numbers in the regular season, had some

1505
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: really really big playoff moments and is in the Hall

1506
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: of Fame. I could say the same exact thing for

1507
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: William mcgi who's the all time playoff leader in sacks.

1508
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: I could say the same exact thing for Julian Edelman,

1509
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: who has a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah right, all those guys.

1510
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: Edelman especially has comparable statistics to Lynn Swan, has the

1511
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: playoff performance that Lynn Swan had, and is not even

1512
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: going to come close to sniffing the Hall of Fame.

1513
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 2: And don't I don't think Edelman's a Hall of Famer.

1514
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: But the point is if you let those guys in

1515
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: because they played for Pittsburgh. Then you have to have

1516
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: the same criteria for the Patriots players. It's not that

1517
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 2: I think Edelman or williamc. Ginnis should be in the

1518
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. It's that it's not equal between teams.

1519
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: I also looked at the nineteen eighties San Francisco forty

1520
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: nine Ers. They have six players plus Bill Walsh, plus

1521
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: their owner during that time period who bought the team

1522
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: in the I think nineteen eighty or nineteen seventy nine

1523
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 2: or something like that. All of them are in the Hall,

1524
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: all of them. All of them are in the Hall

1525
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: of Fame. The nineteen nineties Cowboys six plays plus coach

1526
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson plus owner Jerry Jones. Right, so all of

1527
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 2: these teams, all these dynastic teams of the modern era

1528
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: in the NFL, they're like slam dunk Hall of Famers

1529
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: are slam dunk Hall of Famers. Like that was not

1530
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: a situation like we're seeing with the Patriots.

1531
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: By the way, shout out Jimmy Johnson, who's been pounding

1532
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: the tablechick like a.

1533
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: Guy like for example, you know, just to you know,

1534
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: give another example, a guy like Rodney Harrison. If you

1535
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: played for the nineteen seventy Steelers, probably would have been

1536
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: like a first round second, right like that. That's the point,

1537
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: And this is I don't know, I don't I'm not

1538
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 2: inside these people's heads. But at this point, with Bill

1539
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: getting snubbed, it's just the only our explanation is some

1540
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: sort of Patriots bias or some sort of weird holding

1541
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: on to things that like Spygate and things like that

1542
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: that are just you need to just get over it, okay,

1543
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: like it didn't by any means. The guy's got eight

1544
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,879
Speaker 2: super Bowl rings between being a coordinator in a head he's.

1545
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: Coached in twenty percent of them, right, so just get

1546
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: over yourself. The little line that everybody uses, and I

1547
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 1: think this is valid to a point of you know,

1548
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: what's the measure of Hall of Famer? Well, can you

1549
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: tell the story of the sport without this person? There

1550
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: may be no one single individual because football doesn't really

1551
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 1: have an ABN or double day, like it was kind

1552
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: of founded by different people and came together. You know

1553
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, is there a single I'm asking this seriously,

1554
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm forgetting somebody. He's Bill's definitely

1555
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: top five is there a single individual who you cannot

1556
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: tell the story of the NFL without more than Bill Belichick?

1557
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: How do you tell the story of this sport without

1558
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's It simply cannot be done. And by the way,

1559
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: also the guy they could probably tell it than anybody. Yeah,

1560
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: and it's it's a shame the Hall of Fame as

1561
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: it sits today. I hate saying it because of the

1562
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: guys that are in and that have that honor and

1563
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: that will get that honor. It's illegitimate, plain and simple.

1564
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: It's illegitimate. And even I'm sure Bill will get in

1565
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: next year, and you know, great, he won't have been

1566
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer and that I don't

1567
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: want him to get in next year. And everybody say, oh,

1568
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: the committee finally got it right. No, no, because being

1569
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: a first being a first ballot Hall of Famer means

1570
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: something beyond just getting in. That's the apex of the apex,

1571
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: and it will, at least until they overhaul the voting

1572
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: and change the format. It should remain a stain. It

1573
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: should remain a black mark as long as the current

1574
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: format holds.

1575
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay, last thing on this, and then we got to

1576
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: move on the on Sunday night after.

1577
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: The game or more the Invanitary doesn't get in this year.

1578
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: That's where. So we were hanging out after the game

1579
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: on Sunday night and I got to meet Adam Vanentary,

1580
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 2: which I will fully admit I nerd it out. I was.

1581
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: I was the biggest fullo about not going to Denver.

1582
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't the game. It was Adam being in the

1583
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: building with Adavanentari when they're trying to kick field goals

1584
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: in the snow, Like, come on, I.

1585
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: Fan boyd hard. I introduced myself, you know, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1586
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: And I after I saw this build news, I was like,

1587
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: don't you do it. Don't you freaking leave Adam Vanentary

1588
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: out again, because if you leave Adam Vanentary out again, uh,

1589
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 2: then Patriotizations is gonna You're gonna have some splannet to do. Well,

1590
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 2: Like you just don't do it. Just don't you if

1591
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: you already you know, all these votes are already cast

1592
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, so it's too late whether he's

1593
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: in or out. But just don't do it. I'm telling

1594
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 2: you now, because uh, this Belichick thing is already ridiculous

1595
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 2: and embarrassing. Uh, that will just add fuel to it.

1596
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 2: And I'd also add that, you know, mister Craft of course,

1597
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 2: is up for nomination to be inducted as well. Uh

1598
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 2: so you better tread lightly Hall of Fame, like you

1599
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 2: better be careful here, because if you're leaving all these

1600
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 2: guys out, it's not gonna look good for you. It's

1601
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 2: not gonna look let's.

1602
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: Do you know how we all and we were just

1603
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: joking about how it's going to be quicker with the

1604
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: draft this year. We're gonna not have as much time

1605
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: to fill in the off seas we always do the offseason.

1606
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm here, I said this last night as a joke,

1607
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: and like, I'm seriously considering it. We should have a

1608
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: catch twenty two Pro Football Hall of Fame. And like

1609
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: each week on the show in the offseason he killed

1610
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: ten minutes, we each present a player or a coach

1611
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: or somebody that we thinks deserving of being in it,

1612
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: let's build our own. It would have just as much

1613
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: legitimacy as the one that can't know Io as far

1614
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:33,879
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned.

1615
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's take some of these calls and emails

1616
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: and let's talk a little bit of Seattle. I think

1617
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: we got enough off for a chest on.

1618
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: On that I will I will continue talking.

1619
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: Patty is an Akawa. What's up, Patty?

1620
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 6: Hey, good morning. Jents. Got a few things to go over,

1621
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 6: so I'll try and make it quick. Regarding the Hall

1622
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 6: of Fame, I said this yesterday. When I read it,

1623
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 6: it's clear to me now it's a popularity contrast contest.

1624
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 6: It's no longer. It's not a meritocracy, which it should be.

1625
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 6: That's all I have to say about that. Regarding the game,

1626
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 6: I got five things, guys. Yes we do these five

1627
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 6: things we win, and all lined with a question too,

1628
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 6: and I'll, like I said, I'll make it quick. Number

1629
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 6: one is you gotta win the line of scrimmage. In

1630
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 6: my forty year history of watching the Super Bowls, I

1631
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 6: cannot give you any team that lost the line of

1632
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 6: scrimmage on both sides that ended up winning the game.

1633
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 6: This is especially important on defense. After what we did

1634
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 6: to the Broncos offensive line, I have a little bit

1635
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 6: more confidence. Number two, you gotta stop Kenneth Walker. Number three,

1636
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 6: we have to come out of this game saying that

1637
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 6: the passing game was clinical. Our passing game. Number four,

1638
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 6: don't kick the Shaheed punt or kickoff seems pretty simple.

1639
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 6: Just kick it out of the end zone, Alex, like

1640
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 6: you are what one of you guys. I remember saying

1641
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 6: that last week regarding mins. Just kick the ball right

1642
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 6: out of the end zone. Don't even give them a

1643
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 6: chance to return the ball. I was twenty years old

1644
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 6: for Super Bowl thirty one. I still have PTSD from

1645
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 6: Desmond Howard. And I think the X factor in this game.

1646
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 6: I thought last week we would have to uh it

1647
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 6: would be it would have to be a big Remondery game.

1648
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 6: I think with the speed of the Seattle defense, I

1649
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 6: think Tradon Henderson could end up becoming the X factor

1650
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 6: this game for both sides. And I wanted to get

1651
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 6: your guys possible. If you don't want to do it,

1652
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 6: that's fine to wait till next week. Who are your

1653
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 6: dark horse MVP candidates? Mine on offense would be Matt

1654
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 6: Collins and on defense would be Christian Ellis.

1655
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 2: That's all I got, Thanks, Patty.

1656
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm going to be able to

1657
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 6: call in next week because you guys are doing it

1658
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 6: so late, but if I can't, I will love you guys.

1659
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,640
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty, Thanks for the call. Appreciate it so to

1660
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: a few of those points, I would just say the

1661
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: Henderson thing. I you know, I think a lot of us,

1662
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: and some of us have taken some flak for just

1663
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: pointing out and being objective about it. You know, he

1664
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: has not the film has not been great for him

1665
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 2: at times. This year. He's had some really big runs

1666
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: and he's had some really big games where he's broken

1667
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of you know, home runs, and

1668
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: that's that kind of helps. And you know, I think

1669
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,520
Speaker 2: he's still got a bright future. But in the playoffs,

1670
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: you know, the details are important. You know, reading out

1671
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: runs correctly, you know, knowing where the open lanes are,

1672
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 2: you know how when to cut back, when not to

1673
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: cut back. You know, also understanding blitz, pick up and

1674
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: pass protection and pass game rules like all this kind

1675
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: of stuff gets exposed to the tenth degree in the

1676
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: playoffs by good teams and good defenses. This Seattle defense,

1677
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: the way that they blitz, in the way that they

1678
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: play games up front, this is not the type of

1679
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 2: game that you put a rookie who has you know,

1680
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: is still kind of learning the mental side of the

1681
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: game in for a lot of snaps. It's just not

1682
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: that kind of game now. But that being said, I

1683
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: do feel as though him returning kickoffs again should be

1684
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: in play. It's the Super Bowl. If he knock on what,

1685
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: he doesn't. But if he gets hurt, he gets hurt,

1686
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 2: well empty the bag, yes, right, So I was a

1687
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 2: little surprised, and they didn't do that last week, especially

1688
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: with the way the game was unfolding. They didn't have

1689
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 2: very many kickoffs to guard.

1690
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: They didn't have so they needed somebody.

1691
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 2: Right, So I was a little surprised. He didn't see

1692
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,879
Speaker 2: that last week, yep, but they own Trey Von Henderson

1693
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: played four total snaps in this game. Yeah, I just don't.

1694
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a big volume

1695
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: game for him.

1696
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't, but like his quick strike ability is needed.

1697
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 2: They need to find away once or twice a game. Similarly,

1698
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 2: how honestly, the Seahawks use Shaheed like sah Heat's not

1699
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,879
Speaker 2: a volume guy by any means, but he's on kickoff,

1700
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: he's on punt return, and then once a game they

1701
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 2: give him a fly sweep or a vertical route or

1702
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: something like that and they try to get him loose

1703
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 2: and he's got that game breaking speed. I feel the

1704
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: same way about Henderson, but the turnaround hand, the ball

1705
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: off traditional sense of running back. I just don't know,

1706
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: if you know, I don't think he's the answer. Now.

1707
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: The other thing that he said about stopping Kenneth Walker,

1708
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: I think is one of my early keys to the

1709
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 2: game as well as good as Sam Darnold has been

1710
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: in this little career renaissance that he's had the last

1711
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,799
Speaker 2: couple of years, when you really look, you know, deeper

1712
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: into it, the play action stuff is really driving his

1713
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 2: efficiency through the roof. Like he is a very good

1714
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: passer off play action. He's mobile enough to run their

1715
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: bootleg concepts off their stretch runs, and his you know

1716
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: EPA on non play action you know, traditional dropbacks is

1717
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: like league average is EPA on play action dropbacks is

1718
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: top five in the league. Yeah, so what does that mean.

1719
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 2: It means that you need to find a way to

1720
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: win first down, right, The run game needs to be

1721
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 2: put to bed. You need to get him into second

1722
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: and third and long, and you need to present opportunities

1723
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 2: for him to have to drop that pass a lot,

1724
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 2: like you've done with all these quarterbacks all playoffs long.

1725
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: So if you can stop the run, if you can

1726
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 2: get them out of run, play action sequencing on early

1727
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: downs and you can get them into third and long

1728
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 2: like that's where you can get Donald to make some mistakes.

1729
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 2: They've turned the ball over, not in the playoffs, but

1730
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: they turned the ball over a lot in the regular season.

1731
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 2: He still has games where he looks like the jet

1732
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold at times, and that is because basically, in

1733
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 2: my opinion, when the game has on his shoulders and

1734
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 2: it gets heavy, that that's when he can start to

1735
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: kind of have those seeing ghost moments again. So that's

1736
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 2: where the game is gonna be one and lost. In

1737
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 2: the trenches like always. Like in this Patriots defensive line,

1738
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 2: dominate first down, get them into second and third and long,

1739
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: and put Donald into drop back passing situations. If he

1740
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: beats you drop him back like he did against the Right,

1741
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: you tip your cap and I ortually that's how it goes.

1742
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: It's a super Bowl, You're playing a good team, right,

1743
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: It's not going to be as simple as you know,

1744
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: make them play. There's a lot of things they do well,

1745
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: but like you said, you put the ball in Sam

1746
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: Darnold's hands. Was one of the most turnover prone quarterbacks

1747
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL this year. You force him to have

1748
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: to be Superman and win the game. And like you said,

1749
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: if he does, he tip your cap. But that feels

1750
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: like the best way to attack this thing.

1751
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was my big thing, I think on

1752
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 2: the on the offensive side of the ball. Just looking

1753
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 2: at a few of my notes here in terms of

1754
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: initial thoughts on the Seahawks, you know, they during the

1755
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: regular season, this was the one of the lowest pass

1756
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 2: right teams in the league in terms of pure pass right.

1757
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 2: They were lowest in the NFL fifty one point three

1758
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 2: percent in terms of neutral pass which you know, just

1759
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: looking at you know, not blowout running right because that

1760
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: obviously will skew it because they were in some blowouts.

1761
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 2: As a good team, they were twenty ninth in the

1762
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: league in neutral pass. So like they don't throw the

1763
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: ball with the high volume, they drive up efficiency with

1764
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 2: play action and they are, you know, a team that

1765
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: stays out a third and long with that toward sort

1766
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 2: of approach. So Clint Kubiak, their offensive coordinator, is the

1767
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: son of Gary Kubiak, who you probably know from the Broncos. Uh.

1768
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: It is a Shanahan Tree offense, that is it. You know,

1769
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Kubiak's ties er to Shanahan. Mike Shanahan mostly with the

1770
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: Denver Broncos. This is another one of those Shanahan West

1771
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: Coast outside zone bootleg play action. Uh, you know West

1772
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: Coast drop back concepts on third down. You know that

1773
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: that's the way that they play offensively. Now, it doesn't

1774
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 2: it's not Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shannon and Sean McVay level

1775
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: of motion. They don't use quite as much motion as

1776
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 2: those teams do, but they will use it.

1777
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

1778
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: Some of the things that I think stand out to

1779
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: just some of the nitty gritty. Uh. They are a big,

1780
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 2: heavy personnel team. They play a lot of two tights.

1781
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: They have Robbie Oots our guy to play full backs.

1782
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 2: They don't play a ton of three wide receiver So

1783
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the time it's JSN Cooper Cup and

1784
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 2: big boys, you know, big bodies like that. That's sort

1785
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 2: of their offense that that's been a bulk of it

1786
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 2: at least, So that's sort of what they do offensively. Defensively,

1787
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's one of the best. He's one of the

1788
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: best in the game. He has been really going back

1789
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 2: to his days in Baltimore. I think what makes his

1790
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: scheme tick is. They are very very good when they

1791
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: do pressure, but they don't pressure at a high volume,

1792
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 2: So he's very good at picking his spots as to

1793
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 2: when to cook up pressure. Most of the time it's

1794
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 2: obviously on third down, third, medium, third and long. But

1795
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 2: when they blitz, they have the number one EPA per

1796
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 2: drop back in the league when they blitz by a

1797
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: wide margin. So it's not a high volume blitz team,

1798
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 2: but it's a very impactful blitz team. They're very good

1799
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: at it. They're yeah, they're very good up front in

1800
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: terms of you know, games and stunts, and their blitz

1801
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 2: schemes are core needed. So they're gonna blitz and they're

1802
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 2: also gonna twist at the same time. Right, So it's

1803
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: not gonna just be we're gonna send five guys straight

1804
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: at you. It's gonna they're gonna spin the dial.

1805
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: With the uh Dennis Robin clip from the Last Dances.

1806
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Guy's coming here, and then this guy comes here, and

1807
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: this guy goes over there, and guys there, and.

1808
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,520
Speaker 2: Yep, uh that's a big part of it. Uh. Their secondary,

1809
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 2: their their coverage is pretty structured and basic. They only

1810
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: run like three real standard coverages. You know, there are one, two,

1811
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 2: and three team. They're Cover three and Cover two are

1812
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: their most prevalent, prevalent excuse me, coverages in terms of

1813
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: zone defense. And then they play some man, and they

1814
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: played more man in the playoffs, and they played man

1815
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 2: in the regular season, so we might see more man

1816
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,919
Speaker 2: in the super Bowl and typical, uh, what you would expect.

1817
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 2: So when I watch their tape, though, what stands out

1818
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: to me is just how terrific McDonald is at scheming

1819
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 2: pressure and how he not only does he threaten pressure

1820
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 2: rules in terms of understanding past perti and how to

1821
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:05,440
Speaker 2: expose the way that teams pass protect, he's also extremely

1822
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: good at you know, they run a lot of their

1823
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 2: stunts are like more like pick plays than like pure stunts.

1824
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 2: So it's like almost like a pick and roll in basketball,

1825
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,560
Speaker 2: where like one guy literally car crashes into an offensive

1826
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 2: lineman to get the other guy free, and oftentimes what

1827
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 2: happens is is the guy that's setting the pick is

1828
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 2: the one that ends up coming free because you'll loop,

1829
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 2: like you'll switch it as an offensive line. But then

1830
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,799
Speaker 2: the guy that was supposed to pick up the looper

1831
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 2: is like, you know, falling down because he just got

1832
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: ear hold by the guy next to him, right, So

1833
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,679
Speaker 2: there's a lot of moving parts up front. It's very sound.

1834
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 2: It's a great defense. It's a it's a really great defense.

1835
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 2: And you know this tree, whether it's Jesse Minter who's

1836
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 2: now the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens, it's McDonald

1837
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 2: like they this is now like kind of like I

1838
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 2: would say, along with Vic Fangio, these are the schemes

1839
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL, Like everybody is watching what Seattle is

1840
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 2: cooking up defensively and trying to copy Seattle, like that's

1841
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: this is what yeah. And I would say the last

1842
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: thing with Seattle's defense, they have waves and waves of

1843
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 2: depth that pass rusher. Like this is not a team

1844
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: that necessarily has like a Will Anderson or a Nick Benino.

1845
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: You say Nascar defense. They have no Patriots. Fans aren't

1846
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna love to hear that.

1847
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: They have like seven or eight guys that can rush

1848
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 2: the passer and they cycle through all of them and

1849
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 2: they keep them all fresh. You know, Dexter Lawrence and

1850
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 2: Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy Nuosu like those are the

1851
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 2: big names. That's like kind of their core four. But

1852
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 2: they like, you know, we talked a little bit at

1853
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 2: one point about Bowie Mafi like being on the trade block,

1854
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 2: Like that guy should start for like thirty teams and

1855
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 2: he doesn't even start in Seattle. You know, like they

1856
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:55,719
Speaker 2: have depth. They're all good. But I'd say the biggest

1857
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: thing that gives me a little bit of hope about

1858
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: the way that they rush the pass is that they

1859
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 2: don't have a like I want to like be careful

1860
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: how I say, they don't win one on one as

1861
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 2: much as some of the other defense.

1862
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: Very much like winning on scheme organized scheming receivers over.

1863
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not as much like Will Anderson's just an

1864
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 2: alien and we can't block him, right, It's much more

1865
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: of the scheme stuff that gives offensive lines problems. So

1866
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 2: when they do rush for standard four man rush, they

1867
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 2: do picking game a lot. But if they just have

1868
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 2: kind of like a straight action standard four man rush,

1869
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: you do see some clean pockets on tape with that

1870
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but they just don't do very often.

1871
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 2: You know, they stunt twenty five percent of the time,

1872
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 2: they blitz thirty percent of the time. So they're coming

1873
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: after you. They they are gonna come after Drake May

1874
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 2: in this game. But the one kind of thing that

1875
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 2: I would say that maybe Drake may could do. And

1876
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into way more of this next week.

1877
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 2: But if they're gonna stunt and they're gonna run all

1878
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 2: these games up front, it can be undisciplined. You know,

1879
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 2: they can get out of gaps, they can be you know,

1880
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 2: pin their ears back. Yeah, So if he can get

1881
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: out of the pocket, if he can find those openings,

1882
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 2: you know, I would like to see him in this game,

1883
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more now that the weather is

1884
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: hopefully going to be better. Knock on wood and all

1885
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 2: that stuff, but be a thrower for longer, uh in

1886
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 2: those instances I think would really give Seattle uh some problems.

1887
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: If he can play, you know, make plays out of

1888
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: structure as a thrower, I think that they could land

1889
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 2: some haymakers against this defense that way. Because they play

1890
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 2: a lot of zone, You're gonna ask them to kind

1891
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 2: of plaster down the field against those zone coverages. If

1892
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 2: he gets out of the pocket, he's gonna have some

1893
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: opportunities to either run or make plays with his arm

1894
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: on the move. So that's when I look at their film,

1895
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, I think that there's a couple of games

1896
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: that defensively I've watched, you know, the the Niners games

1897
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 2: are just yikes, you know, like that's domination by Seattle defense.

1898
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: The NFC Championship game against the Rams, Yeah, good luck,

1899
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 2: like good luck emulating DeVante Adams and Pukinikua mossing people

1900
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 2: down the field like that to me is like not

1901
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: necessarily indicative. I know Stafford threw for a lot of

1902
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 2: like deep air yards in that game. I think he

1903
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 2: had like over two hundred yards on throws, you know,

1904
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 2: more than twenty yards down the field. Like they kind

1905
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 2: of got them with explosives in that game, but a

1906
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 2: lot of it was either big time throws by Stafford

1907
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 2: or Poka nikuah mossing people, right, And I don't know

1908
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 2: if that's necessarily what you want to count on in

1909
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 2: a game like this. The first the second matchup, I

1910
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 2: guess I should say technically the Week sixteen regular season matchup.

1911
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 2: If you watch that film, there's a lot more McVeigh

1912
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: magic on that film, scheming guys open and guys are

1913
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 2: just running wide open through zones and things like that.

1914
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,480
Speaker 2: So my guess is that the Patriots and Josh McDaniels

1915
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: will watch a lot of that Week sixteen game where

1916
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 2: they add some open receivers in that game that was

1917
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 2: uncharacteristic of what Seattle usually looks like coverage wise. So

1918
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 2: that's my little primer on the Seahawks. Like obviously, next

1919
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 2: week's show in Santa Clara will be all Seahawks preview

1920
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 2: and we'll get really into it. But I think we've

1921
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: got you know, that's kind of the skinny of it.

1922
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 2: You know, we mentioned Shaheit a couple of times. Special

1923
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 2: Team's gonna be big in this game.

1924
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: Huge.

1925
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 2: You know, covering kicks is gonna be big in this game.

1926
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 2: You know that he's a momentum flipper. You know, he's

1927
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 2: a guy you know, against San Francisco, takes a kickoff

1928
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 2: ninety five yards to the house and that kind of

1929
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 2: got them rolling and it was blouses. You know, it

1930
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 2: was a blowout. So they have to be careful with

1931
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: those types of things with Shahid. All right, let's get

1932
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 2: back to the calls. We got some callers and some

1933
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 2: emails here that I'll read Brady is in Connecticut. What's up, Brady?

1934
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, I'm just tuning in here, so sorry if

1935
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 7: this was covered in the first half, but I just

1936
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 7: wanted to speak a little bit to our defensive performance

1937
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,640
Speaker 7: this playoff run. Obviously we got some guys healthy at

1938
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 7: the right time, but you know, putting up you know,

1939
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 7: four sacks averaging four sacks a game, a ton of turnovers,

1940
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 7: not really allowing much with on the ground, you know,

1941
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 7: really limiting the passing game. So I guess just my

1942
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 7: first off is, uh, you know, when we're watching this,

1943
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 7: how do we know whether to attribute it to you know,

1944
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 7: a lot of people are talking about like bad opposing

1945
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 7: QB play versus you know, Zach zach kor you know,

1946
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 7: spinning the dial with his play calling. Obviously some great

1947
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 7: execution by the players we've seen, you know, some some

1948
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 7: great you know picks by Marcus Jones and Carlton Davis

1949
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,679
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, big plays on the defensive line

1950
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 7: as well. So that's that's really my question I'm putting

1951
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 7: out there. And then last day just wanted to shout

1952
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 7: out the front office an incredible defensive rebuild. This offseason

1953
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 7: feels like pretty much every person is hit, you know,

1954
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 7: whether it's looking at free agency or with the you know,

1955
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 7: with the deeper draft picks that we that we've taken

1956
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 7: with the you know, Woodson playing out of his mind

1957
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 7: right now. So I'll leave it there.

1958
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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Brandy, thanks for the call. So I would

1959
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 2: say that to the first thing, just you know, how

1960
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 2: do you tell the difference? I would say in this game,

1961
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 2: you know, you just look at the line of scrimmage, like,

1962
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 2: that's a really good Broncos offensive line they went against.

1963
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 2: It was fully healthy. They had their center back in

1964
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 2: the game. That's no, that's no fluke.

1965
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: No, that was the real deal.

1966
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 2: Jared Stidham and did he or didn't he hit a

1967
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 2: throw here? And like that. I can see why people

1968
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 2: would say that's a little bit more in the you know,

1969
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 2: the fluky category.

1970
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Or Elijah here's the thing, Elijah ponderbeats gart Poles one

1971
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: on one, pont Gearpoles went on what the quarterback back

1972
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: there doesn't really, That's what I'm saying. Change that. You know,

1973
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: the overall numbers, yeah, probably, but there's enough you go

1974
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: watch the individual matchups. Christian Barmore throwing Quinn Minors to

1975
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,759
Speaker 1: the side. Yeah, you know exactly.

1976
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 2: Those are the things that I look at and say

1977
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 2: that that's legit, that's real. You know, like you said,

1978
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,919
Speaker 2: you could probably do a deep dive into the numbers

1979
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 2: of how good they played in this game and make

1980
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 2: it look like it was like the best Championship game

1981
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 2: performance ever. Right, But I would say that because of

1982
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 2: the quarterback. But in terms of the offensive line versus

1983
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 2: defensive line, you know that's Quinn Minors is an All

1984
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 2: first team All Pro this year. Garrett, Yeah, Garrett Bowles

1985
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 2: is an All team first team All Pro at left tackle,

1986
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: the first team All Pro at left.

1987
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: Tackle, left tackle, the best left tackle in the NFL.

1988
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Mcglinchy and Wantenberg got votes to actually think power did

1989
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: all five of them get votes?

1990
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 2: McGlinchey had a really solid year. And one of the

1991
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 2: things that the Patriots did in this game that I

1992
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 2: forgot to mention with Chase On is they actually had

1993
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 2: Chase On rush over the right tackle a bunch in

1994
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 2: this one to get him away from Garrett Bowles, which

1995
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 2: was a nice change up. Usually he he rushes on

1996
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 2: the on the blind side. Excuse me, but in this game,

1997
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 2: most of.

1998
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: You think just having the injury opened up the door

1999
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: for that.

2000
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that they are now viewing Chase

2001
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 2: On as a matchup piece, a chess piece that is

2002
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 2: having the type of playoffs, he's hasing, So let's go

2003
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: pick on the on the ourst matchup there. All right,

2004
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 2: this is Reno in North Carolina. What's up, Reno?

2005
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call, No problem. I

2006
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 8: wanted to touch on two things, and you hit on

2007
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 8: it a bit. But Seattle can create explosive plays in

2008
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,759
Speaker 8: their special teams, and I just wanted to ask about,

2009
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 8: with Henderson's snap count going down, why not considering putting

2010
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 8: him back on kick return potentially trying to get an

2011
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 8: explosive play, putting him back there with Kyle Williams and

2012
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 8: trying to flip field positions. And my second thing is

2013
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 8: it's a travesty that Rodney Harrison isn't in the Hall

2014
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 8: of Fame.

2015
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 9: And that's a similar indictment.

2016
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Speaker 8: On the process and voters as with coach Belichick.

2017
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Speaker 2: So thanks, yeah, agreed.

2018
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Speaker 1: One, How is Rodney Harrison become the third biggest Hall

2019
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: of Fame stuff for the payta? I was so ready

2020
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: to be done with Harrison because he got in and

2021
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: then was gonna be all attention on Matthew Slater. I

2022
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: didn't think we'd go the other direction where his case

2023
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 1: got like all respect to Rodney Harrison. I consider Vinitaria big,

2024
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: bigger stup obviously, Bill, So yeah, all three should be in.

2025
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: All three, Will Fork and Mankins. Those are probably the

2026
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 1: guys that are eligible right now. I apologize if I'm

2027
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,679
Speaker 1: missing somebody, but those guys that are Eli Welker, those

2028
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: are the guys that are eligible right now that I

2029
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: would say, like, have a legit. There's a couple of

2030
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: other guys that are. You know, Corey Dillon's kind of borderline.

2031
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: But if you look, like again, I know what I saw.

2032
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: Corey Dyllan was Hall of Fame caliber running back. But

2033
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: oddly enough, also Patriots Fred Taylor, Stephen Jackson not in,

2034
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 1: have been eligible, very similar careers. So like, okay, if

2035
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna be consistent and tell me that guy's not in,

2036
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't agree, but like, okay, that players not in.

2037
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: They're very stingy with running backs. Fine, you look at

2038
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: the other coaches that are in and that got in

2039
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 1: first ballot. Bill Belichick's not in. You look at the

2040
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 1: other safeties or defensive players that are in where Harrison's

2041
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: not in. Like, that's where you Vinitaria great. There's no

2042
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: comp for vinitary because there's nobody better that's where you

2043
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: lose me.

2044
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: So on especially. Yeah, we're all in agreement that maybe

2045
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 2: giving Trevon Henderson some opportunities to return kickoffs.

2046
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: Should be Also, I've been saying to all playoffs, and

2047
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for us to pay off. There's only one

2048
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 1: more chance. It feels like so many of these Patriots

2049
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: super Bowl runs have a big plan upunt return. Yeah,

2050
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm waiting for Marcus Jones to have

2051
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: that moment on one of them. I thought he did,

2052
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: and he cut.

2053
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why he cut outside.

2054
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if there was like a footing issue or

2055
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: something that he cut the way he did. But like

2056
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: I feel it, it's getting close. So I'm gonna say

2057
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:27,879
Speaker 1: it again, Marcus Jones.

2058
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 2: I thought that on I don't know why he didn't

2059
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 2: just go immediately up feed. I yeah, it was. It

2060
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 2: was a weird read for him, Like that was really weird.

2061
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Like he's normally dynamic.

2062
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: I wondered, because that's when the footing was starting to

2063
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of get shaky.

2064
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 2: But like what would the footing is, Like what difference

2065
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 2: would be He's he's.

2066
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: Just overthinking it, maybe because he's he's trying to plan

2067
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 1: I think like a cut or two ahead, right.

2068
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, maybe, but yeah, that that one, uh yeah,

2069
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 2: definitely was something that stood out. Eric in Connecticut. What's up, Eric, eric.

2070
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: Hey, long time listener.

2071
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've

2072
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 9: done this year.

2073
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2074
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 9: I don't really have a question. I just wanted to

2075
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 9: bring something full circle that you brought up earlier in

2076
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 9: the show. You said that you were at the Senior

2077
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 9: Bowl last year. I remember the show that you guys

2078
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 9: were at the Senior Bowl and you brought up how

2079
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,719
Speaker 9: you looked at the teams that were in the Super

2080
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 9: Bowl and they were like, we don't even they're just

2081
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 9: they're just chilling. They're they're here for like a complimentary

2082
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 9: guard or like a maybe an edge rusher to add

2083
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 9: to like the rotation. I remember you guys chopping it

2084
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 9: up back last year about that, and it just feels

2085
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 9: nice that we're the team now. Now that now we're

2086
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 9: that team. Yeah thing, we don't need holes plugged, but

2087
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 9: it's a nice bull circle moment. I agree with you.

2088
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 9: The Senior Bowl just snuck up on me like this.

2089
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 9: I didn't even realize that the Senior Bowl was this week.

2090
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 9: That's helped into the Patriots. I've been in this year. Again,

2091
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 9: don't really have a question. I just wanted to thank

2092
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 9: you guys for everything, and I hope you have a

2093
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 9: good time with the Super Bowl.

2094
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 2: Thanks, Eric, appreciate that. Yeah. So the Patriots do have

2095
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 2: their contingents down at the Senior Bowl right now on Mobile.

2096
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,440
Speaker 2: So all the scouts you know, are already focused.

2097
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: On their said the other day they went from the

2098
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl to the Senior Bowl.

2099
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what they normally do. Elliot Wolf and

2100
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:14,879
Speaker 2: Ryan Katten went from Denver to Mobile.

2101
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2102
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 2: So they Patriots have people and surely have people that

2103
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 2: are already full steam ahead on the draft in the

2104
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 2: off season. And don't worry like it's not like the

2105
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: coaching staff isn't there yet, but the scouting department is

2106
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 2: absolutely there. Seven more minutes. Let's let's talk a little

2107
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: bit about some of the news around the league. There's

2108
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: some interesting AFC East news that we can end the

2109
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 2: show with, the biggest one being that the Bills have

2110
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 2: promoted Joe Brady from offensive coordinator to head coach. I

2111
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 2: was shocked by this one. I really was. Yes, I

2112
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:50,599
Speaker 2: thought it.

2113
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I think it's a good decision enough, but

2114
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: you were honestly surprised.

2115
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:55,719
Speaker 2: I was surprised it did I was surprised it didn't

2116
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 2: hire Brian Dable. I think the Brian Dables offensive minded,

2117
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 2: just like Joe Brady has head coaching experience. Granted, got fired,

2118
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 2: but a lot of people got fired from their first job.

2119
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: And that was I think more of the GM than him.

2120
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 2: All the gms right there, Mike Rabel got fired from

2121
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 2: his first job, and here we are, so Bill Belichick

2122
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 2: got fired from his first So you know, my point being,

2123
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 2: I just thought that the experience for Dable as a

2124
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 2: head coach was gonna trump Joe Brady's institutional standing, you know,

2125
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. I also just saw

2126
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 2: it come across that Bobby Babbage, their defensive coordinator, has left.

2127
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:39,520
Speaker 2: He's going elsewhere, to Green Bay. So that really surprises

2128
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 2: me as well, because I actually I know that they

2129
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 2: their defense kind of took some heat for the loss

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Speaker 2: against the Broncos in the playoffs, but it's been a

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01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 2: really good defense. It's a good system. Yeah, but Babbage

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01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 2: has taken over play calling and has done a nice job.

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Speaker 2: I thought that if I was Joe Brady. I would

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01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 2: have tried to work really hard, kind of like Drawd

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01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 2: Mayo trying to keep Steve Belichick right, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: to keep some continuity there. I I don't know how

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Speaker 2: this is gonna work out. I like Joe Brady as

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01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 2: an offensive mine, you know, like every offensive coordinator. He

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01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 2: has some nitpicks, and he has some things that are flawed,

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Speaker 2: but their run game has been really good with him.

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Speaker 2: I think that they do some things schematically that are

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01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 2: are cool and challenging to defend. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: what kind of head coach he's going to be. This

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01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 2: to me, screams Josh Allen. Continuity. They wanted to keep

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01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 2: it the same for Alan Get a little bit younger,

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01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 2: more innovative, you know, tight pants kind of guy as

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01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: the head coach, and they had one in house, and

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01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 2: so instead of going out and hiring another one from outside,

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01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 2: they just promoted their guy. But last thing, and then

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Speaker 2: you can give your take. Yeah, the history, especially the

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01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:52,839
Speaker 2: recent history of firing your head coach and then promoting

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01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 2: a coordinator, the recent history is not good, not good.

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01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 2: It's not good. So I'm interested to see how this

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01:45:59,120 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 2: works out.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting.

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01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you are.

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01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: There was I don't know because I'm not room, but

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01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: there was a report at the time where like the

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01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: Bills fired McDermott without they they have a plan. Yeah,

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01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: they fired McDermott to fire McDermott, Okay, like we're gonna

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Speaker 1: figure it out from here, which should never fire coach

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01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 1: that way you should have at least and whether or

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01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: not the plan works out, you should have some sort

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01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: of idea. This feels to me like the safe space

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Speaker 1: between keeping Sean McDermott and hiring Brian Daball, which we're

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Speaker 1: probably like part of me wonders whether it was internal

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01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: or external, But the blowback to firing McDermott, which clearly

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01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: was a sudden move, freaked them out and they said, okay, well,

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01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,640
Speaker 1: how do we appease some of those and all right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep the guy that's been here because okay,

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01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you like McDermott, here's the guy that was here. That

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01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's the same as we saw it with

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01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: John Mayl.

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Speaker 2: It just is so sorry to cut you off, but

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01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 2: it's just so shocking to me that the fall from

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01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 2: grace of that because of how they handled the McDermott situation.

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Speaker 1: To you, this a couple of weeks ago is not

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Speaker 1: going to be an attractive job.

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Speaker 2: But that the fact that it's not an attractive job

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01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 2: is all of their own doing. Yes, because it should

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01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 2: be one of the most attractive jobs to get to

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01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 2: coach the reigning MVP, who's, whether you want to admit

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01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 2: it or not, is at least a top five quarterback

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01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 2: in the NFL. And to have that opportunity to coach

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01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 2: Josh Allen in his prime, similar to have the opportunity

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01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 2: to coach Lamar Jackson in his prime in Baltimore, like

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01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 2: that should be a hugely uh you know, big job opening.

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01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 2: And look at like the Chargers landed Jim Harbough Justin

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01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 2: Herbert like, and Justin Herbert hasn't accomplished as much as as.

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01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 1: Josh Allen ha accomplished about the same.

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01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 2: No, it hasn't. He doesn't want an MVP. But this

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01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,240
Speaker 2: is what I was trying to tell you, Like for

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01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 2: all that, but this is about This is about ownership,

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01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 2: This is about decision making. This is about Brandon Beans.

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01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: Still be Brandon Bean's not there. Do you think they

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01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,639
Speaker 1: have a better yeah, like a coach? Yeah, yeah, Look

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01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: I thought they should have moved on from both. I

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01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: thought that the clock had destruck midnight on that on

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Speaker 1: that org, and it was like restart before Josh Allen

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01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: gets too old or ass out. I want to get

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Speaker 1: into that in a second, but only firing one and

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01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 1: the wrong one if I had to keep one. But

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01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 1: it's tough to keep the coach, not the GM, because

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01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: the GM wants his coach. But like, look at what

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01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 1: that roster is. You can't keep being and then the

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01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 1: press conference and throwing coaches under the bus and things

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01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,640
Speaker 1: like that, like it's it's not surprised they became a

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01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: big job.

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Speaker 2: They made it an unattractive job, so it was an

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Speaker 2: attractive job.

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Speaker 1: Well, and they made it. I don't think any team,

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01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't think any coaching jobs unattractive for reasons other

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01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: than organizational stability.

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01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the jobs not I guess it's a

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01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 2: chicken or the egg thing. Yeah, like if the rosters

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01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,280
Speaker 2: in shambles then most of the time, but like I

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01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 2: didn't think, you know, like like here, like like this

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01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 2: is not an unstable or anything like close to that.

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01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 2: And the roster, if you look at the twenty twenty

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01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 2: four roster, you probably would have thought the roster was.

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01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: Bad, your boy stable organization. They got the top coach

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Speaker 1: on the market. Yeah, even when there wasn't much there

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01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: for the roster. Now this becomes a thing and you're

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01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:21,640
Speaker 1: gonna roll your eyes And a lot of people have

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01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: rolled their eyes at me for this take, but this

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01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: this is real. Yeah, sure you have Josh Allen. Buffalo's

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01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: now in a second coach, Lamar Jackson, and Baltimore is

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01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,640
Speaker 1: now in a second coach Zach Taylor somehow still holding on.

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01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know how long is Zach gona lost?

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01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: And we know Joe Burrow on our sub level of

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01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: dissatisfaction with that organization. Yeah, all three of those guys

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01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 1: have to be looking at Matthew Stafford and saying.

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Speaker 2: You were already going there. Yeah not this year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna do it this year, but

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Speaker 1: the Lions, historically dysfunctional, historically have not been winners. He

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01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: had to get out of there to win.

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01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 2: At what point?

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Speaker 1: Point to Alan burrowin Mahomes and maybe maybe the coaching

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Speaker 1: hire's work.

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Speaker 2: I think I think Lamar is a lot closer to that,

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Speaker 2: So it.

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01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: Can be I can be Dan Marino stay here not win.

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01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: I can be John Elways hope I win down the road,

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01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: or do I be Matthew Stafford and go somewhere that's

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01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna give me a chance to win? Right now? And

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01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: all three of those organizations you mentioned, the higher maybe

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01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,560
Speaker 1: being about appeasing Josh Allen, all three of those organizations

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01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 1: have to be cognizant of their quarterbacks. Used to not leave.

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01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: Brady left Rogers left the doors open to these guys.

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Speaker 1: Now you cannot let that door open for those guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, we gotta wrap it up. Patriot's Unfiltered. It'll

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Speaker 2: be on in ten minutes and we'll talk more about

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Speaker 2: all of this. I'm sure we'll talk some Belichick as well.

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Speaker 2: I just want to give you another reminder before we

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Speaker 2: sign off next week in San Francisco on Radio Row

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Speaker 2: seven to nine Eastern seven O five catch twenty two

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Speaker 2: live from the super Bowl. We're really looking forward to that,

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01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 2: definitely excited. Can't wait. Are you going Sunday? I'm going

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01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 2: Sunday as well. That's the plan, right storm, But we'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys then, can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Hey, this is Alex.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot,