1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose sitting in for John Cobelt today. Good to 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 3: have you along with us. It's New Year's Eve and 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: the rain is falling in Los Angeles, so stay tuned 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: to KFI for all the latest on traffic and weather conditions, 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: and stay tuned. 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: All right, Well, you heard it there at the top 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: of the air news cast. This is the deadline, and. 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 3: The report is that millions of Americans are facing healthcare 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: premium prices to go up. Even though the House and 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: the Senate are planning to negotiate a new CR in January, 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: but it will be too late now for these healthcare 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: premiums to go up. ABC News Deputy Political director Ben 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: Siegl is with us in Washington. Is there concern that 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: the premiums are going to go up or is there 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: a sense that. 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: This will be fixed in the next CR. 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: I think there is concern, you know, from both parties 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 4: in different ways. I think Republicans are recognizing that this 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 4: is becoming a growing political problem for them. After Democrats 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 4: managed to make a lot of their messaging around the 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 4: government shut down, the preservation of these Affordable Care Act 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: tax credits that are expiring this year, and you know 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: tomorrow will you know, be the measure of that when 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 4: people start to see their rates go up and their 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: premiums go up because these because these tax credits are expiring. 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: And at the same time, it's also a challenge for 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: Democrats because uh, you know, healthcare is one of the 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 4: thorniest issues in Washington between both parties. You know, for 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 4: years the Republicans tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act. 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: Uh, Democrats were. 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: Barely able to pass it themselves during President Obama's administration. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: So even when with everybody agreeing that there's a problem, 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: there's still a thousand and one different ways to find 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: a solution and to bring down the cost of healthcare. 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 4: Despite and thin that broad acknowledgement that this is a 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 4: concern for everybody. 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: It is a concern for everybody. 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: Also because I've been reading a lot about this and 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: the amount of individuals that are enrolled. Many come from 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 3: red states in red districts. 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: And that was one of the concerns. 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: That is it former Congress from and Margie Taylor Green 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: yet or she's gone in a couple of days. But 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: one of the reasons that she was so livid during 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: the government shutdown was that her constituents, in a sixty 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: five percent Republican you know, congressional win that she won 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: reelection in, we're still going to be impacted if government 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: did nothing. 51 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: And so that's probably a. 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: Good thing, right, It's probably a good thing that it's 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: bipartisan in the anger that this has not been resolved. 54 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 4: I think it's I think the fact that the whole country, 55 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: Democrats and Republicans, people from red states and blue states, 56 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: are all feeling the pain on the same issue, I 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 4: think is an acknowledgement that this is an issue that 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: has to be addressed by both parties, and I think 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: that is the place to start. But I think it's 60 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: also notable that, you know, for that and other criticisms 61 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: that she's made of the president, Congressman Martin Taylor, Green 62 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: is despectively pushed out of her party to the point 63 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: where she's not even going to finish out this term, 64 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, So for even even speaking, you know, 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: making public the fact that this is the problem. The 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 4: president has this problem. He said he would fix this, 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: and it's hurting people in my state, and people who 68 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 4: support him. You know, that had earned her really a 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 4: scarlet letter from the President, and she is now persona 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: on Grada and in the Republican Party. So that just 71 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: speaks to even if if if there's an acknowledgment of 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 4: the problem being the same, and that it really affects 73 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: everybody in all kinds of states, especially because so many 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: people started using these marketplaces because these tax credits made 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: it more affordable to get healthcare. This way, the pain 76 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: is going to be felt in in in different ways 77 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 4: politically and personally, and it's also going to impact people 78 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: to her point, the President's base, we're already feeling the 79 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: compounding effects of this affordability crisis that we're seeing across 80 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: the country when it comes to justs inflation and the 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: costs of many goods and groceries going up, the way 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: that tariffs are hurting some small businesses. Although gas prices 83 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 4: have come down, so that has some good news for people, 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: but it's just another thing that will add to people's 85 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: pocketbooks and their obligations next year. And really the seeds 86 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: are really settling in for some political anger to be 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: directed at Washington in the coming year. 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: I've been listening to. 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: The calls for Social Security reform. For it like my 90 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 3: entire life and as an adult working in politics, right, 91 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: Medicare reform, social Security reform. Well, social Security was implemented 92 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: in the Roosevelt administration, Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act was 93 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: implemented during the Obama administration, and Obama is still here. 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: So it frustrates me that they don't Republicans politically don't 95 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: point the finger of blame at the the party and 96 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: that president, a former president that was responsible for it, 97 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: and say to them, hey, Speaker Pelosi or Speaker. 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: Polosy, you were speaker when this thing was signed. 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: You come up with a solution. Former President Obama you 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: signed it. You come up with a solution. 101 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: Dick Derbot, you were in the Senate, you know you're 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: still here. You come up with a solution. 103 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm wondering why, just politically, Republicans don't use 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: this as an opportunity to say, hey, this was a 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: Democrat idea. As you mentioned, they barely passed it. It 106 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: wasn't bipartisan, So throw it back on them to come 107 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: up with a solution. 108 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 5: Yeah. 109 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 4: I think that's the challenge for the Republican Party, is 110 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 4: that for so long the party has really been animated 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: by wholesale opposition to the Affordable Care Act, to the 112 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: point where, you know, dozens and dozens of votes were 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 4: taken to just repeal the Act. And you know, fast 114 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: forward to today, despite the unpopularity of these provisions and 115 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 4: some of the ways that this is implemented, there's more 116 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: of a widespread recon that this is not going anywhere, 117 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: and why don't we spend our energy on ways to 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: fix the system? It's been it's a challenge for the 119 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: party that's spent so long defining itself around this idea 120 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: of repealing, uh, you know, from branch and root uprooting 121 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: the Affordable Care Act system. 122 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: Uh. 123 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 4: So, it's become a challenge for Republicans to really find 124 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: another message that sticks on healthcare, that resonates with people. 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 4: And it's got to be particularly pressured for this president, 126 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: who has been so successful at really selling his ideas 127 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: to the American public, cutting through the noise, finding the 128 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: logan snap, you know, snappy ways to brand his politics, 129 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 4: that he really can't figure this out. The latest ideas 130 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 4: that he's been talking about is giving people money directly, 131 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: uh to pay for health care. Expenses instead of giving 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 4: it to the insurance companies. There's not really a clear 133 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: plan behind that, and it's not clear that the government 134 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: really has the ability uh to give every American a 135 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 4: payment that would help defraud the fray the costs of 136 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: health care in the way that you know, he is seeking. 137 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 4: So there's still a lot of a lot of workshopping. 138 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: What is the Republican plan, what is the best way 139 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: to do this? And it's you know, colliding with this 140 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: political reality in some ways that it has been. They 141 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: have been unsuccessful as a party in changing the discussion 142 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: away from Obamacare and and repealing it, you know, wholesale, 143 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: and it will. 144 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: Be the first order of business come January and the 145 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: number one discussion. Ben Siegel, ABC News Deputy Political Director, 146 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: thank you so much. Happy New Year to you, and 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: we will talk to you in the new year. 148 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: Happy new year. 149 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: Thanks. 150 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: All right, when we get back, I want to break 151 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: this down a little bit. I worked in Congress for 152 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: a Republican member of Congress during the Obama administration. I 153 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: watched this entire Affordable Care Acting go from a crazy 154 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: idea to a crazy bill to effectively a crazy law. 155 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: And it's no surprise to me or anybody else that 156 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: lived it, that this was not going to work, and 157 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: now it doesn't work. So how how do we get 158 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: through it? Can't get around, it can't get over. It 159 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: got to work our way through it. And I have 160 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: recommendations for Republicans on how to handle this politically. 161 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: We'll do that next. 162 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose Info John Cobelt on The John Cobelt Show 163 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 164 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 165 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 6: six forty. 166 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose info John Cobelt on the John coblt Show. 167 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: So the story is starting January. 168 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: First, the Enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies expire. 169 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: What that means is the Affordable Care Act wasn't affordable, 170 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: it didn't work. It required government subsidies. So it appeared 171 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: to the person that enrolled in the Affordable Care Act Obamacare, 172 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: that wow, this is a lot cheaper, This is great. 173 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: This isn't anything near what Blue Cross is charging. This 174 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: isn't like Kaiser. This is much cheap. 175 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: It isn't cheaper. 176 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: It's only appears cheaper because the other taxpayers, me you 177 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: are subsidizing it, and that was not supposed to be 178 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: the plan forever. 179 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: So I worked for. 180 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: Three members of Congress during a number of administrations, including 181 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: the full two terms of the Obama administration, and it 182 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: was clear to almost everybody on the Hill that Obama 183 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: promised this and really wanted to deliver something, just something. 184 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: I think what he really wanted was an expansion of 185 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: Medicare and. 186 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: Couldn't get it. 187 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: See, the original plan was Medicare for all and which 188 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: is also subsidized, but it's not a whole new platform, and. 189 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: He could not get it. 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: So he had to come up with some new system 191 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: that he knew wasn't going to work, but it would 192 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: work until he was out of office, and then the 193 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 3: subsidi were expiring, and then the next. 194 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: Administration would have to work it out. 195 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: But the goal was, and this is very typical of Democrats, 196 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: the goal was the people that were enrolled would get 197 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: used to having healthcare at a subsidized rate, and politically, 198 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: it would be impossible to claw back that welfare, which 199 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: is effectively what it is. 200 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: It's healthcare welfare. 201 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: And it's a strategy that was used a lot by 202 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: President Obama, basically ruining things. 203 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: In the long term by making it look like it 204 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: pencils out in the short term. 205 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: And it was very frustrating to a lot of members 206 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: of Congress, including like the business Republicans. Like Republicans have 207 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: different kinds of members. 208 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: In the party. 209 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: There are the social Conservatives. These are the religious nuts 210 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: from the southeast. Then you got the worldview Republicans that 211 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: just want to go to war all day and spread 212 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: the democracy around the globe. That's the Dick Cheney crowd. 213 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: And then you have the business Republicans that want to 214 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: run America efficiently, that want to lower taxes and expand 215 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: prosperity and come from the world of business and really 216 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: just apply a businessman's overlay to democracy. And I worked 217 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: for one of those guys, and let me tell you, 218 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 3: it was driving him nuts. He was a certified public 219 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: accountant by trade and one of the few CPAs in 220 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 3: the House of Representatives, which is shocking. I think at 221 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: the time there were four CPAs in the entire House 222 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: of Representatives, four hundred and thirty five members of congressman 223 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: members of Congress, only four CPAs. The rest attorneys. He 224 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: called it a fair fight, but it was definitely frustrating. 225 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: So Obama, well knew this day was coming. The way 226 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: they pencil these things out is they do them on 227 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: a ten year plan and they continue the subsidies for 228 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: ten years out and then dura. So it actually was 229 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: set to expire, I think in twenty twenty, and that 230 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: fell right in the middle of the Biden or right 231 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: in the Biden administration's budget year. And of course COVID 232 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 3: was going on and President Biden couldn't spend money fast 233 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: enough and they exploded the deficit, and of course extended 234 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: the Obamacare subsidies for another six years. Well here we are, 235 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty six, and it's the day of reckoning. 236 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 3: We cannot continue to subsidize other people's healthcare premiums with 237 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 3: our tax dollars because they haven't gotten off of the. 238 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act. Two things that were wrong with the 239 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act. 240 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: One it didn't pencil out, and two it didn't there 241 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: was no premiums. 242 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: There was no warrants to cause people to move off it. 243 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: The goal wasn't to cover all Americans under the Affordable 244 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: Care Act. The goal was to have an Affordable Care 245 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 3: Act so people that in the course of life were 246 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: in a position where they had no access to health 247 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: insurance and really couldn't afford the market based price of 248 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: health insurance. They could have something, but people are staying 249 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: on it for I mean, Obama was done in twenty sixteen, 250 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty six Can't stay on a subsidized healthcare system. 251 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Got to move on, work harder. 252 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: And this is really the messaging that's so challenging for 253 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: Republicans because Republicans can't go to Americans that are on 254 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: the Affordable Care Act and say, you know, time's up. 255 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: Why haven't you made more money so that you can 256 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: buy normal health care like the rest of us. Well, 257 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: it's very expensive. I know we're working on that in 258 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: DC to try and bring down the cost by deregulating 259 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: the industry. But the rest of America are paying for healthcare? 260 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: Why aren't you? And that's the challenge for Republicans that 261 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: they don't know how to deliver that message. 262 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: And I think if you're not. 263 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: Willing to say, look, stop being a lazy ass and 264 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: get off the Affordable Care Act and go figure out 265 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: a way to provide yourself with health insurance like the 266 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: rest of us do, if. 267 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: You don't have the guts to do that. 268 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: Then stay away from it all together, like don't answer 269 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: the phone when CNN calls, don't engage in the conversation. 270 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: This is where Marjorie Taylor Green was wrong. Don't bring 271 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: it up. President Trump is right, stop talking about it. 272 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: This is a Democrat problem. This is not a Republican problem. 273 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: Republicans know very well that government cannot reduce the cost 274 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: of premiums for health insurance. 275 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: Health insurance is a marketplace. 276 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: It is a market based system, and it is very 277 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: very very simple to understand. 278 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: And when government really. 279 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: Dilutes and also distorts the marketplace, it becomes very confusing. 280 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: And of course the. 281 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: Insurance companies are going to raise the premiums because of uncertainty. 282 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: If it's unclear whether or not the federal government is 283 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: going to subsidize these insurance premiums, of course the insurance 284 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: company is going to raise the price of the premiums. 285 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: They're not going to be left holding the bag. So 286 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: for all you people whining about your insurance premiums going 287 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: up because mean Republicans won't continue to subsidize your health insurance, 288 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: look at it from the point of view of the 289 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: insurance companies, what should they do lose? Insurance companies want 290 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: more people carrying insurance. The more people that have insurance, 291 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: the better off it is for everybody, because not everybody 292 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: is going to get sick, not everybody is going to 293 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: have a tragedy, every is going to break their leg, 294 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: but everybody will pay a lower premium. So the insurance 295 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: companies are not the bad guy here. The bad guy 296 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: is Barack Obama. So here's what my recommendation is to Republicans. Say, hey, 297 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: don't ask me. We told you people not to vote 298 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: for this. We warned you, we told you it wasn't 299 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: going to work. Don't say this is a Republican problem. 300 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: Don't let it become a Republican problem, and be strong 301 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: and don't fall into the trap. 302 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: Oh you're being heartless. Heartless. Obama was heartless. 303 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: He set people up only to have their fake insurance 304 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: expire on New Year's Eve of twenty twenty five. 305 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: So this is a Democrat problem to solve. 306 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: If I was a Speaker of the House, I would 307 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: hold a press conference and I would say, regarding these 308 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: Obamacare subsidies, yeah we're not doing that anymore. With We're 309 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: not giving out welfare to insurance companies because President Obama 310 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: set it up that way. So I invite the former 311 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: President of the United States and whoever he wants to 312 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: join him to draft up a solution to Obamacare that 313 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: does not cost the taxpayer a dime and submit it 314 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: to us and we'll take a look at it. Next question. 315 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose sitting in for John Cobelt on The John 316 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: Cobelt Show on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on 317 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app. 318 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM six. 319 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: Loke Penrose in for John Cobelt on the John coblt Show. 320 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: The big story The Affordable Care Act subsidies expire tomorrow 321 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: and everybody's upset because Obamacare doesn't work and Republicans won't. 322 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Extend the subsidies. 323 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: Democrats proposed a three year extension of the subsidies. Republicans rejected, 324 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: Thank goodness, three years. No, this has got to come 325 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: to an end. I say, let it expire. There's no 326 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: other way. 327 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: We have to force the issue. 328 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: As a Republican who worked in Congress during the Obama years, 329 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: I told you so. I really can't handle hearing the 330 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: complaints that the Affordable Care Act sold by the president 331 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: that you reelected sucks and now nobody wants to subsidize 332 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: your healthcare premiums. 333 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: And by the way, you're not losing health care. 334 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: Your premiums are just going up, you know, like the 335 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: rest of ours. 336 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 7: Dude, are you retarded? The solution was the original bill 337 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 7: in the first place. Just because the Republicans didn't like 338 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 7: it doesn't mean the Democrats have to come back and 339 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 7: come up with something new that the Republicans would like. No, 340 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 7: the whole point was the Democrats came up with the 341 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 7: solution in the first place. 342 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, Yeah, maybe you should pray to Jesus and 343 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 3: ask Jesus for a subsidy. Have Jesus subsidize your health premium. 344 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't subsidize my health premium, my healthcare premium. 345 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 8: What do you mean? 346 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 3: The solution was the bill in the first place. It's collapsing, 347 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: it's about to collapse. I think what are we saying 348 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: now that twenty million Americans are enrolled in the Affordable 349 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: Care Act and they're going to see their premiums expand 350 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 3: or increase, which means they'll be shopping, they'll be dumping Obamacare, 351 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: because Obamacare sucks and they'll be going out into the marketplace, 352 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: and if they're gonna pay more, they might as well 353 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: pay more. 354 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: For real insurance like the rest of us. 355 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: So no, I say, Republicans stay far away from this one. 356 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: There is no solution that a Republican lawmaker can offer, 357 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: and there's no solution that any government can offer that 358 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 3: can beat the promise of socialism, So you'll never win. 359 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: Democrats want to give everything away for free and use 360 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: hardworking people's tax dollars to pay for it. Republicans can't 361 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: compete with that, and they are doing a very bad job. 362 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: Of explaining it. Let me explain it for you. 363 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: Things cost money. Somebody's got to pay the doctor in 364 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: the er. Somebody's got to pay the pharmaceutical company for 365 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: manufacturing the medicine. Somebody's got to pay the nurse peep 366 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: up to pay for the hospitals. Right, you don't get 367 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: these things for free, and subsidizing them just to storts 368 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: the marketplace and spooks the insurance companies because you never know, 369 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: maybe Republicans will win and they will not extend the subsidies, 370 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: so they have to raise their premiums. So get out 371 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: of the whole government run health care system all together 372 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 3: and let the marketplace decide. See, Republicans know that government 373 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: cannot bring down the cost of health insurance. Competition is 374 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: the only thing that can bring down the cost of 375 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: health insurance. 376 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Government can deregulate. 377 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: The industry and let the industry compete, but there's no 378 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: guarantee that it will bring down the cost. 379 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: That's just life. 380 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: The expectation is more competition in the marketplace will allow 381 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: more people to offer coverage, and that will create more competition, 382 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 3: which will bring down costs. 383 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: It's the only thing that can happen. 384 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: That's the only promise a Republican can make, and they're 385 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: too afraid to make it because they don't want to 386 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: come across looking like we don't care about the little 387 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 3: old lady. And of course Democrats are offering it for 388 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: free or as close to free as possible. 389 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: How do you compete with that? So don't even engage. 390 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: Don't engage. 391 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: Point point to President Obama, say he's the problem, CNN, 392 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: he's the problem. 393 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: MAYBC news. 394 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: Hey, George Stephanopolis, have on former President Obama, ask him 395 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 3: what the plan was when the subsidies expire. 396 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: Blame do not talk. The Republicans can't blame the Democrats 397 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: for Obama Care because their constituents benefit so much from it. 398 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: It may be flawed, but they like that flaw. Yeah, well, 399 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 3: of course anybody. It doesn't matter if you're a Republican, 400 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: Democrat or independent. If something shows up less expensive, you're 401 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: going to go for it. That's human nature. That isn't 402 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 3: Republican constituents taking advantage. 403 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: Of the Affordable Care Act. 404 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: And guess what, there are Republicans that need to grow 405 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: up as well. Look, this is this is reckoning. This 406 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 3: is what real change looks like. Remember, President Trump and 407 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: his administration are not the welcome wagon. We are the 408 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: cleanup crew. And real change requires real change. And this 409 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: is what real change looks like. Let this thing crash 410 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 3: and burn once and for all. Let the chips fall 411 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 3: what they may, Let all the crying and all the 412 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: wailing and won't last long. And let Democrats hold the 413 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: blame for creating this ridiculous system. 414 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 9: Hey, I'm a Republican and I need that subsidy. And 415 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 9: I'm not lazy at all or work my butt off. 416 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 9: I just have a high mortgage and water bills high. 417 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 9: Everything's high. Everything car insurance. So I need that insurance 418 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 9: to stay around for a while. 419 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: That's too bad. 420 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: What do you think you know, mortgage payments are for 421 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: the rest of us that are subsidizing you. What do 422 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 3: you think car insurance payments are for the rest of 423 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: us that are subsidizing you. 424 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: What do you think costs are for the rest. 425 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: Of us that are subsidizing you. Now, this is the 426 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: only way to handle this Obamacare discussion, and that is 427 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: point to Democrats and let it, let it fail, and 428 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: then get to work deregulating the industry and expanding competition 429 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: in the insurance marketplace like any other business, and let 430 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: the price settle wherever the supply and demand curb calls 431 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: for it to settle. 432 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose, if. 433 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: A John Cobelt on KFI AM six forty live everywhere 434 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio app. 435 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI six. 436 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose in for John Coblt on the John coblt 437 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: Show on New Year's Eve coming up following the news 438 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: at two. So there is federal band going into effect 439 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 3: on Chinese technology in drones and police and firefighters use 440 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: Chinese made drones and they're scrambling to figure out where 441 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: they're going to get drones from a good country or 442 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: a country that isn't a sworn enemy of the United States. 443 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: But the Trump administration is concerned about the drone use, 444 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: particularly with the upcoming Olympics other international events that will 445 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: be taking place on US soil. 446 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: What kinds of data collection or spying the Chinese will do. 447 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 3: So we'll get the latest from Alex Stone from ABC 448 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 3: News on that one right now, talking about the looming 449 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: ending of Obamacare, and that's really what this is. 450 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: This will end Obamacare the hard way. 451 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: We wanted to end Obamacare, the easy way that was 452 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 3: repeal and replace, right, and then Republicans campaigned on repeal 453 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: and replace. And then when President Trump got elected, all 454 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: of a sudden, John McCain hemmed and hawd. 455 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, I don't know. 456 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: And he was a sore loser and didn't like President 457 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: Trump and voted to keep Obamacare. And then they extended 458 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 3: the subsidies, which is why it is affordable. 459 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: It's not affordable. 460 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: Affordability is a it isn't even an economic concept. It 461 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: just means that you liked the price. The reason you 462 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: liked the price of the insurance premium is because it's 463 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: being subsidized by your fellow taxpayer, no other reason. The 464 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: tax credits go to the insurance companies. That's good for them, 465 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: and they lowered the It's just I mean, it's a scam. 466 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: It's a Ponzi scheme, and everybody knew it. 467 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: So I don't want to hear any crying and belly 468 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 3: aching that now the subsidies are rending, which case, the 469 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: insurance companies are raising the premiums to the right level 470 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: for the person that is insured. And why are people 471 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: complaining that Republicans need to solve this. 472 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: Republicans don't need to solve this. I told you so. 473 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 3: You need to go talk to Speaker Pelosi. Former Speaker Pelosi. 474 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: You should go talk to Dick Durbin. You should go 475 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 3: talk to Chuck Schumer. You should go talk to Barack Obama. 476 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: He's around, ask him. 477 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: Call your Democrat National Committee and say let's have a 478 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: conference call. And why did President Obama set these things 479 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: to expire? Right, it's the Democrat problem to solve, not 480 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 3: the Republican problem to solve. 481 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 8: Hey man, you should just think of it this way. 482 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 8: If everybody is writing the wagon who's going to pull 483 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 8: the wagon. Nobody thinks about that, but sure, all right, man, 484 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 8: they should give your own show. 485 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: Ye, I appreciate the call. I do think about that. 486 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 10: You're making me nuts about all this with Obamacare and 487 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 10: how it sucks, because honestly, it was great insurance when 488 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 10: I had it, and at an affordable price. And I 489 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 10: don't think you remember that prior to Obamacare, the US 490 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 10: government subsidized sixty percent of what is it Cobra payments, 491 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 10: so either way, the government is paying. 492 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that you loved it. I'm glad that 493 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 3: you found the price quite affordable. Do you want to 494 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: thank me now or when do you want to thank 495 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 3: the rest of us that work to pay for your subsidy? 496 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: This is incredible to me. Cobra, what are you kidding me? 497 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: That's the worst product out there. Nobody can afford Cobra. 498 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: That was ridiculous. You go to the poorhouse. 499 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: Cobra was for people that were really in dire straits 500 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: and we're willing to sell their second car to be 501 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: able to afford and Cobra expired. This was never designed 502 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: to be a lifestyle. This was never designed to be 503 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 3: and by the way, It didn't pencil out to be 504 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: that way. It was for people that were in a 505 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: position where they couldn't afford real insurance like normal people. 506 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 3: And it's been ten years, so it's time you figured 507 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: out how to live like the rest of us. 508 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 5: To the moron just called you retarded because you didn't 509 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 5: support Obamacare. I had free healthcare insurance before Obamacare, and 510 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 5: it went up and up and up. My employer provided 511 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 5: it couldn't afford it anymore, and it screwed everybody else 512 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: that was getting their insurance through work, like we've been 513 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: doing for the last century or so. Get a grip 514 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 5: and get a clue. 515 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, and that's right. He was a 516 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 3: moron who called me retalking. A lot of name calling 517 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: going on on New Year's Eat. 518 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 11: There is affordable health care, there's faith based insurance. I 519 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 11: have a three thousand dollars deductible. My payments are three 520 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 11: hundred dollars a month. But I do what most people 521 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 11: are not willing to do. I'm not fat, I do 522 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 11: not smoke, I do not drink, I do not do drugs. 523 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 11: I exercise. I take care of myself first. Therefore my 524 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 11: health is good. People need to be responsible for their 525 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 11: health more than they are. And there is good healthcare 526 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 11: out there. 527 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: There you go. She sounds like, uh, looking for date. 528 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 12: Hey, lou love it when you fill in. You're great 529 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 12: at this. I this health care debate and this whole thing. 530 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 12: It's in the Declaration of Independence, not the US Constitution, 531 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 12: as you know. But we have the right to life, 532 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 12: liberty in the pursuit of happiness. Is health care included 533 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 12: in that pursuit of happiness in that liberty in that life? 534 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 12: And if it is, then yeah, government should be helping 535 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 12: with like a lot of socialist country. If not, that's 536 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 12: the debate, and we haven't really resolved it. 537 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: Oh I disagree. I have resolved the debate. You have 538 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: no right to discounted. 539 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: Health insurance premiums zero and twenty million Americans are about 540 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 3: to experience that reality tomorrow. See, we don't have a 541 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: healthcare problem in the United States. 542 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: We don't. 543 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: You fall off your motorcycle, they take it to the 544 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: er and they'll patch up. 545 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: Right, you cut your thumb on the Christmas ham and 546 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: it's bleeding and you need to go to urgent care. 547 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: They'll patch you up. Your kid gets RSV or whatever. 548 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: They'll take you down, you know, you take them down 549 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: and they'll take care of them. They'll bring down the fever. 550 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: We don't have a health care issue in the United States. 551 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: There's hospitals everywhere, there's urgent care centers everywhere, there are 552 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: doctors everywhere. The problem is who pays for it after 553 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: the bleeding stops. 554 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: It is an issue, There's no question about it. 555 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: The costs are higher here in the United States than 556 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: in other countries. Even when government provides, it's still higher 557 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 3: here in the United States. 558 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting challenge, right. 559 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: You know what else is more expensive here in the 560 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: United States than other places. The cost of private education, 561 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: Private dentistry very expensive here. 562 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Dentistry a lot cheaper in Tijuana. 563 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: Now you can go to Tijuana and have your teeth pulled, 564 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: or you can go to a normal dentist here in 565 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: southern California that graduated from USC. That's up to you, 566 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: and we're lucky that you have the choice and it's 567 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: only an hour's drive. 568 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: Right. The question is who's paying for it? 569 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: So when I hear these litterbal maniacs talk about healthcare 570 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: being a human right, the question that I have is 571 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: is the er doctor that works three twelve hour shifts 572 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 3: in a row during the Christmas break? Does he have 573 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: a human right to be paid? Do the nurses have 574 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: a right to be paid? To the hospital administrators have 575 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: a right to be paid? You have a human right. 576 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: I have a human right to have health care. Okay, 577 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 3: but you're not paying for it. So where do the 578 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: people that are providing you the health care? Where do 579 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: they go to get paid? Well, that's why the government 580 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: should do it, all right, Well, who's the government? The 581 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: government doesn't have money. We have money. We give the 582 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: money to the government. So if the government doesn't have 583 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: enough money to subsidize your god given right to go 584 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: to any emergency room you want, all day, every day, 585 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 3: then you don't get to have it in which proves 586 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 3: the point that you'd never have the right in the 587 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: first place, because if there's no money there, there's no 588 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: hospital there. 589 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: And if there's no hospital there, you're up a creek. 590 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: So that's the way you figure out the riddle of 591 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: do I life liberty and pursuit of happiness? Well, does 592 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: health care insurance fall under pursuit of happiness? And the 593 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 3: answer is no, because if there's no money, then there's 594 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: no subsidies. And if there's no subsidies, there's no place 595 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: to go with your subsidized healthcare premium because no doctor 596 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: will be there, no hospital will be there, no urgent care. 597 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: So that's how you unravel that riddle. 598 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 3: You only have a right to life and liberty and 599 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: the personal pursuit of happiness. Everything else comes with a price, 600 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: and you have to work to pay the cost of 601 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: where it is you want. 602 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: Now, I get it, there are. 603 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: Benefits to you know, safety nets and all of that, 604 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: but this is not what we're talking about. We're talking 605 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 3: about twenty million people that have been subsidized and their 606 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: subsidies are about to come to an end. And that's 607 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: reality in twenty twenty six, and it's going to quit 608 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 3: hit them quite hard. 609 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: But they're not losing their health insurance, just they're paying. 610 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: It's going to go up. It's not that big of 611 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: a deal. No crying, no whining. Lou Penrose on KFI 612 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 613 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 614 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 615 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: six forty from one to four pm every Monday, through Friday, 616 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.