WEBVTT - Closing Strong

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<v Speaker 1>This crowd rises to its being what Carl slam it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh car left wing ball perfect? They have blocked the

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<v Speaker 1>shot at the rim, how with the left hand and

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<v Speaker 1>of fowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Chasetown Podcast, part of the Caves Media family.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm your host Justin Rohan.

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<v Speaker 2>Cavaliers ended the road trip with a w in Portland,

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<v Speaker 2>No Donovan Mitchell, no problem, and no overtime. Last time

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<v Speaker 2>the Cavs played the Blazers, overtime was necessary. This time

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<v Speaker 2>they closed them out in the fourth quarter. Big performances

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<v Speaker 2>from Darius Garland, Evan Mobley looking like defensive player of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, Jared Allen having a strong fourth quarter, and

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<v Speaker 2>someone who always brings as best as my co host,

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<v Speaker 2>Carter Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 3>Carter, how you doing, buddy?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. You know, don't all that

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<v Speaker 1>you know? I yeah, I'm doing good. It was nice

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<v Speaker 1>to see the Calves win. And I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>it at a weird angle to start. We didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this at all yet, we haven't talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>game almost at all, even even privately. And I my

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<v Speaker 1>weird angle here is I think it's good that the

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<v Speaker 1>Calves only took twenty seven threes. Okay, uh, not because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm someone who's you know, in perpetual freak out mode

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, the state of the three point game

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<v Speaker 1>and being two relying on threes. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>it was nice that the team collectively said, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't been hitting at a crazy high rate. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to the paint. We've got we've got We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a team that that plays a lot of pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. But if we get past them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be, you know, facing a deep dropping

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan Klinging for the most part, or a not crazy

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<v Speaker 1>mobile do op wreath for our forty eight minutes of action.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're fine with that. We're fine. We can get

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<v Speaker 1>into the teeth of this defense. We can we can

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<v Speaker 1>get consistent buckets and we don't need to get up

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<v Speaker 1>forty three pointers to have a good offensive rating, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's like the be all end all,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think it's a nice reminder for them, like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have a dominant game without needing to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>the cover off the ball. And they did shoot very

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<v Speaker 1>well in their limited attempts. Part of me is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of also part of it, right, like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you you really took mostly the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>were really, really clean and the ones that really were

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<v Speaker 1>in great rhythm that you just couldn't turn down. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like they either, they even turned down

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous amount of threes either. I think they I

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<v Speaker 1>just I really liked their offensive game plan in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not often that you see a team takes

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five threes more than the Cavs do in a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for the Calves to put up twenty seven and

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<v Speaker 2>for the Blazers to put up fifty two.

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<v Speaker 3>That's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were stretches where it felt like, man, the

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<v Speaker 2>Blazers are just so hot. When Mattis Thaibeley is hitting

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<v Speaker 2>a career high in three pointers made, you're like, is

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<v Speaker 2>this another one of those bad kind of shooting variant games?

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<v Speaker 2>That the Calves just can't seem to find any luck

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<v Speaker 2>on this trip. But what ended up happening was they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually hit that many of them. They just happened

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<v Speaker 2>to have taken fifty two. So you notice the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that they made, and I was a little surprised that

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to get into the interior at will,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with no Donovan Mitchell. You expected a heavy dose

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<v Speaker 2>of Kamara on Darius, which you got, and Kamara is honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at what he's done over the season,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got an all defensive case like he is that

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<v Speaker 2>level of defender, even if he doesn't get recognized from

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<v Speaker 2>it for it because they're not a playoff team, I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that he is that level of a defender.

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<v Speaker 2>So for Darius to go up against a very long,

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<v Speaker 2>terrific point of attack defender, someone we've seen give him

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<v Speaker 2>trouble at times as well. If you think back to

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<v Speaker 2>that first game against Portland, for him to navigate and

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<v Speaker 2>basically have the freedom of movement that he did, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was really impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It also makes me think back to our conversation on

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<v Speaker 2>the last podcast where we're saying, how would.

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<v Speaker 3>We like to see them win.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're looking at this stretch where they continue to have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so much travel, not a lot of rest,

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell it's having an effect on these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And for them to have a not great defensive first quarter,

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<v Speaker 2>start to crank up the effort on that end of

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<v Speaker 2>the floor as the game progressed, but continue to hunt

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<v Speaker 2>for good shots, not settle for the three pointers as

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<v Speaker 2>they had at times throughout this road trip. I just

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<v Speaker 2>really I felt that their process was so much healthier,

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<v Speaker 2>and I came away from that game feeling really good

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<v Speaker 2>about their effort.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I will acknowledge it's easy to feel good

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<v Speaker 1>about the process when they shoot forty four percent from three. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if they had an eight of twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>night and this is a much closer game or a loss,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, maybe me and you were like, go,

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<v Speaker 1>the offense is in trouble. You know, those those four

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<v Speaker 1>to three extra threees can be the difference between those

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<v Speaker 1>two reactions. But to your point, I just felt like

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<v Speaker 1>they were back to getting you know, I think what

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<v Speaker 1>the hallmark of the beginning of the season for me

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<v Speaker 1>and what really the vast majority of the season till

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<v Speaker 1>March and maybe a little bit, with the exception of January,

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<v Speaker 1>which was their other cold shooting month, which no surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>was their other worst month of the year from a

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<v Speaker 1>win loss record perspective. But the hallmark of the season

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<v Speaker 1>is that I felt like they've gotten to whatever look

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<v Speaker 1>they've wanted hmmm, and they have dictated the terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the game offensively. I think that's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>that when they've played Boston I have gotten grumpy with

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<v Speaker 1>their starts, is because I felt like they've not done that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in some of those matchups. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>feel like at some point in this march, with everyone

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<v Speaker 1>pressing and you know, the three guards that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the three lead ball handlers on the team all in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mired in pretty rough shooting slumps. It just

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<v Speaker 1>felt like the rhythm was gone, the imposition of the

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<v Speaker 1>offense was wasn't there for them, And I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they definitely brought that in this game. They had

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<v Speaker 1>a real clarity of purpose. Each possession felt worthwhile to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, it wasn't a perfect game by

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<v Speaker 2>Miami stretch. I thought Jared really struggled the first few quarters.

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<v Speaker 2>I was impressed with him in the fourth quarter. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like he was a big, big part of

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<v Speaker 2>those last seven minutes where I believe it was the

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<v Speaker 2>last seven minutes that the Cavs did not allow a

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<v Speaker 2>madefield goal. The only points Portland got it came out

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<v Speaker 2>the free throw line. It was a very physical game.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like the refs basically made a decision that hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna let a lot go and we want to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're letting you we're playing this game basically with a

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<v Speaker 2>running clock.

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<v Speaker 1>And think those boys had a red eye.

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<v Speaker 2>No blood, no foul, like, you know, we were going

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of here at an appropriate time.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a stretch where there were four straight possessions

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<v Speaker 1>on either side of the ball where a guy got

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely decked in that fourth core. Yeah, it was, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I liked it. To be clear, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not being critical. I like a little physicality. I like

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<v Speaker 1>a little rough play being allowed to go, especially like

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<v Speaker 1>especially like if we're gonna be people who complain about

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<v Speaker 1>the grifters getting rewarded, we definitely have got to be

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<v Speaker 1>okay with, you know, a little roughness getting a getting

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<v Speaker 1>getting let go.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, it's my preferred style, Like, I think it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely notable that they wanted it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I I think the ideal spot

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<v Speaker 2>is a well officiated FEBA game. I think sometimes we

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<v Speaker 2>get a little too uh, you know, caught up with

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<v Speaker 2>glorifying FEBA officiating when sometimes it's just, hey, these refs

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<v Speaker 2>aren't as good and they're like missing a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>A well officiated FEBA game where you're allowing physicality. What

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<v Speaker 2>I like about it is it just clarifies what a

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<v Speaker 2>foul actually is. When you're allowing a higher baseline of foul,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no longer that interpretation of Okay, well, why does

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<v Speaker 2>he get a little TICKI tac call while you know

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's drawing blood. You don't have that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>liked how it was officiated. Again, I thought Darius was

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<v Speaker 2>a big, big part of setting the tone in this

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<v Speaker 2>game and for it to be a very physical game

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<v Speaker 2>against a team that's been playing very well defensively, that's

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<v Speaker 2>had some impressive wins over this stretch. As trying to

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<v Speaker 2>rally around this end to the season and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>solidify on identity as a team that they can build

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<v Speaker 2>off of in the future. I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>quality win, particularly the last game of a long road

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<v Speaker 2>trip that's a tough one to get with no Donovan Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Darius at the tone, it was great to

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<v Speaker 2>see the floater going in at the rate that it did.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that he was able to leverage that in

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<v Speaker 2>between game and the floater to create opportunities at the rim,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was great. Really making Donovan Klingon commit and

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions in space and then punishing those decisions. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he did a terrific job of that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>of course when Darius is creating those types of opportunities,

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<v Speaker 2>that just opens up things for everybody else and you

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<v Speaker 2>see the great big to big passing, you see, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the secondary play making from guys like Max Strus, Sam

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<v Speaker 2>merril Ty Jerome all come into play, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt it was a very very healthy game from the Cavs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean to the Darius point, you wondered at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning in the first you know, he has a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of turnovers in that first quarter, in in that

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<v Speaker 1>first half, and you're like, uh, oh, you know, is

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<v Speaker 1>this gonna be one of those sloppy games where they're

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<v Speaker 1>just not sharp. But like I do feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>really did, like button it up obviously took over the

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<v Speaker 1>game down the stretch. The floater being back is really

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<v Speaker 1>really important and so much with Darius. I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's getting to the right spot for the floater.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he tried that fifteen footer with like four

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<v Speaker 1>or five minutes left. It's like, brother, that's a really

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<v Speaker 1>hard shot. Like like that's like I get it. I

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<v Speaker 1>get that he's comfortable taking it, but like that's like

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<v Speaker 1>probably a thirty percent type of floater, whereas a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the floaters he was hitting, he was using that

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<v Speaker 1>misdirection he was using clinging in the deep drop and

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<v Speaker 1>making him commit before he went up, or confusing and

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<v Speaker 1>freezing him in his shoes and just getting what basically

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<v Speaker 1>was an open layup like no one was on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I feel like, you know, I always

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<v Speaker 1>felt like Darius is a Steph Curry type of finisher,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's the leveraging of the panic elsewhere that he

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<v Speaker 1>does so good at at his best that gets his

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<v Speaker 1>percentages up at the rim at you know, up to

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<v Speaker 1>where they've been this year. I don't think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>Kyrie type of finisher, and you know, he and he's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not one of these big, strong physical guards who

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<v Speaker 1>can create angles using his body. A lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>is using that freeze game, using the psychological game, using

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<v Speaker 1>the fear of the pull up and the jumper to

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<v Speaker 1>give himself a big ass runway on the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the hoop. And I felt like he did a very

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<v Speaker 1>very good job of manipulating Portland's defense in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I continue to like seeing him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>attack the glass, get a bunch of rebounds, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>five rebounds in this game. I think he had eight

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<v Speaker 2>against Utah. Chipping in in those different ways, it's nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good sign of his overall health that, hey, he's getting

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<v Speaker 2>to his spots, he's getting into the paint, he's contributing

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<v Speaker 2>on the glass, he's getting steels. All of that kind

0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.040
<v Speaker 2>of stuff just goes to show, hey, he's in a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good spot physically right now, and the worst of

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<v Speaker 2>the slump seems to be behind us. You look at

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the last five games that he's played.

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<v Speaker 2>He's shooting forty seven percent from the field, thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>percent from three. So maybe that's you know, the one

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<v Speaker 2>area that you kind of look at, but that thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three percent is more of like a regular ebbs and

0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.680
<v Speaker 2>flows of three point shooting rather than, Hey, why is

0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Darius's percentages like thirty five percent from the field, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>percent from three like the kind of horror ific splits there,

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<v Speaker 2>and hey, ninety one percent from the free throw line too,

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<v Speaker 2>So even that's bouncing back. I feel very good about

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<v Speaker 2>the way that he's playing, and it's nice to see

0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.360
<v Speaker 2>him bounce back. I continue to keep an eye on Jared.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks tired out there. It was nice to see

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<v Speaker 2>him dig deep and have a good fourth quarter. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>encouraged by the fact that it seems like the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of games he's been playing without the hand wrap,

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<v Speaker 2>so obviously that has kind of progressed. I don't think

0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.480
<v Speaker 2>he'd be playing without it if it hasn't progressed, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good sign. But I know he's got the

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<v Speaker 2>goal of playing eighty two games. But I'm also I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I'm hopeful that, Hey, if that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>your goal to play eighty two games, it'd be nice

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<v Speaker 2>if we could put some games away so you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to play fourth quarters and get yourself some rest here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and in fairness, he really played twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight minutes in this game, and Evan being there is

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<v Speaker 1>very very helpful for that. He's out against the Spurs

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<v Speaker 1>for a rest game, so, you know, no rest for

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<v Speaker 1>the weary for mister Allen. I think jareded like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's a physical tired or a mental

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<v Speaker 1>tired from him, because you know, a couple of the

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<v Speaker 1>mental mistakes have been pretty jarring too. You know, some

0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:21.600
<v Speaker 1>really audacious passes that like have no shot, you know,

0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.320
<v Speaker 1>throwing it right to the opposition because he just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>see him. I just I think he'd probably tell you

0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.360
<v Speaker 1>he's not playing his best ball the season, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit of a survival stretch for lack of

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<v Speaker 1>a better word. I still feel like the finishing is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good, and you know, when he's catching the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in the move. I do think it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the soft stuff that isn't great for him right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's the being a step late, It's trying

0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.080
<v Speaker 1>to fight for a rebound but already being dug out

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<v Speaker 1>of position before you get there. I mean, boy, was

0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.800
<v Speaker 1>he wrestling some bears on this West Coast trip, though

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not sure you have much of a

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<v Speaker 1>tougher stretch than uh physically. Then Orlando up and down

0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the roster, then Zooboch Valanchunis.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Klingon, who might be the largest human in

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA, Like I know, Wemby's taller, but Klingon is

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<v Speaker 2>like seven three and five hundred pounds that many.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had like great touch, he'd be unstoppable, but

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully he doesn't. Phoenix is your one respite, and then

0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.160
<v Speaker 1>you Walker Kestler and the Donovan Klingon like that is

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<v Speaker 1>just like five out of six just Mondo dudes that

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<v Speaker 1>you got to wrestle with, and even in the game

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<v Speaker 1>before that is Zach Edie, who's a big guy, not

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<v Speaker 1>quite as physically imposing, I feel as as the other

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<v Speaker 1>guys in terms of like the fight that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have and you go up against him, but like so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I definitely think you're seeing that wear on

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<v Speaker 1>him a little bit, and you know, part of that's

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<v Speaker 1>just his job. In fairness, don't want to pretend like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna like I can already hear skeptics being like,

0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.840
<v Speaker 1>oh boohoo, the sinner has to guard other sinners who

0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.040
<v Speaker 1>are famously big and strong. Like, I get it, but

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<v Speaker 1>like it is quite the run of tough dudes that

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<v Speaker 1>are like kind of not Jarret's preferred dudes to play

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<v Speaker 1>against in the first place. Yeah, you know, I think

0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:22.680
<v Speaker 1>we can acknowledge that, like he'd much rather play another, uh,

0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, a different archetype of player than these than

0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.600
<v Speaker 1>these you who just beat him up for forty eight minutes.

0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And I thought his battle was fine. Uh and uh

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<v Speaker 1>I do I do like that he answered in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter with a really really strong fourth quarter and

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<v Speaker 1>uh at this point, you know, only time will tell

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<v Speaker 1>on the playing all of these two. I think you know,

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<v Speaker 1>most you know, most folks that we talked to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like most of us are like, it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>okay if you said yeah, but but you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>also get why you would set that goal for yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, if you're this close and you're and you're

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and you know, I mean, the real question is

0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>if he takes one game off, is he going to

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<v Speaker 1>be meaningfully better rested for the postseason when he's not hurt.

0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Like that's where like me wanting him to rest like

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<v Speaker 1>and then actually thinking through like the positive implications of it.

0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.639
<v Speaker 1>It feels pretty flimsy to ask him to give up

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<v Speaker 1>on this goal just so I could be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least you got a Wednesday off in late March. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's gonna matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of, you know, the Darius conversation when

0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.560
<v Speaker 2>he was in you know, the bottom of the slump here,

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<v Speaker 2>where we're like, if he's fine physically, it's basically just

0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.840
<v Speaker 2>us feeling better and feeling like we have some control

0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.480
<v Speaker 2>over the situation where it's get him a day off,

0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.359
<v Speaker 2>where you know, having a day off in a back

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.280
<v Speaker 2>to back or something like that, it's it's not giving

0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.600
<v Speaker 2>you a whole lot more rest than you have normally.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think if he and if you were nursing

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.359
<v Speaker 1>soft tissue injury like a hammy or something like that,

0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>this conversation is very different, right, but like all intents

0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and purposes, doesn't seem like he's hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think some of this ties into what

0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.480
<v Speaker 2>we talked about before, which is that when things don't

0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.400
<v Speaker 2>go well, we lean back on our priors. Like I've

0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.199
<v Speaker 2>seen a lot of people freaking out about giving up

0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.200
<v Speaker 2>offensive rebounds in playing against these big, physical, you know centers,

0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:33.280
<v Speaker 2>and it just brings back unpleasant memories some Nicks PTSD there.

0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.240
<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is, you know, people will say, well,

0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.000
<v Speaker 2>we need to go get ourselves a seven to four

0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.360
<v Speaker 2>giant to come in off the bench and deal with that.

0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Most of the time when we are playing a Donovan

0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Klingen or a Walker Kestler or Jonas Valentunis, like, we

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.240
<v Speaker 2>won the Jonas minutes by seventeen, we won the Kessler

0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.960
<v Speaker 2>minutes by forty, we won the Klingon minutes. We won

0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.560
<v Speaker 2>the minutes against Zubac, even though we got blown out

0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.240
<v Speaker 2>in that game, we won those minutes. But because it

0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.760
<v Speaker 2>ties into you know, how that Knick series felt, it

0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.320
<v Speaker 2>gives people the easiest scapegoat. We can just say, oh,

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they got an offensive rebound here and

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a putback and that's why we lost. Where in reality,

0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of those kind of plotting bigs that play

0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 2>a style that they just want to go right through,

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what, they aren't great at defending in space,

0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and usually when you're playing the Calves, even when the

0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Calves aren't playing their best offensively, that's something that we

0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.080
<v Speaker 2>can exploit at a level much higher than they can

0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.280
<v Speaker 2>exploit on the offensive glass Darius Cooking, Donovan Klingen or

0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Walker Kessler in space. That is a trade off I'm

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.000
<v Speaker 2>willing to make. That's why we won the Yonus minutes

0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.520
<v Speaker 2>by seventeen. That's why we swept the Raptors every single

0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.680
<v Speaker 2>time we played in them, because we're like, well, guess

0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.520
<v Speaker 2>what we're going to do. We're going to make Yonas

0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Valentunas defend in space. The formula was the exact damn same.

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.520
<v Speaker 2>So I understand why it's frustrating, And I think I

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 2>want to get into the whole rebounding thing a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit later, because I do think there's some meat on

0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 2>that bone. I think there's things worth discussing. But I

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.960
<v Speaker 2>do find that too frequently Jarrett gets kind of put

0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, he ends up being the whipping boy there,

0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and too much of the blame gets assigned to him

0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.520
<v Speaker 2>when it's a more kind of comprehensive issue and something

0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that you know, the points of failure usually go beyond

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<v Speaker 2>just the center position, like it was two years ago,

0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, or was it two years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, two years ago. It is always more complicated I'm

0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:34.720
<v Speaker 1>glad you want to talk about rebounding because I was

0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.399
<v Speaker 1>pulling up some stets while you're talking about it. But

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.280
<v Speaker 1>we'll get there. We'll get there, brother man. I got

0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to ask just in general. You know, we left that

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Utah game and we podcasted after, and I was kind

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of expecting like a more like a more positive podcast,

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, coming out of that Utah game, like, hey,

0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 1>we won, we got off the snod great news, and

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 1>we were still pretty critical. Like, I don't think we

0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:01.640
<v Speaker 1>felt like that Utah game represented as big of a

0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:06.000
<v Speaker 1>shift in the team's play because maybe we wanted you know,

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I think. I mean, I'll speak for me. You can

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.760
<v Speaker 1>confirm or deny this. I felt like they played okay

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and beat up a team that is not trying to

0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 1>terribly hard to win games against Utah. Do you feel

0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.159
<v Speaker 1>different about the Portland win than you felt about the

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Utah win?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I to put it gently, I don't think Utah's goals

0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 2>are aligned with winning in a significant way. I do

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like Portland is still trying to get wins right.

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.480
<v Speaker 2>They're someone that has given challenging games and had big

0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.480
<v Speaker 2>upset wins over very good teams. I think they're a

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 2>team that's able to challenge the Cavs in ways that

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.240
<v Speaker 2>are important, like their ability to throw Kamara on Darius

0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Garland in the matchup where there is no Donovan Mitchell

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 2>to take some pressure off them.

0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Seeing Darius do well in that.

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Matchup, that's an important data point, right, Like, that's one

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of those things where, yeah, we don't have a game

0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.679
<v Speaker 2>against Boston or okay, see left on the schedule, but

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.880
<v Speaker 2>you can still get some information from some of these

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.679
<v Speaker 2>individual matchups. It may not be an entire team test,

0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.640
<v Speaker 2>but individual members of the team are going to get tested.

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.199
<v Speaker 2>So to get this win, particularly with it being at

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.239
<v Speaker 2>the end of the road trip, I feel better about it,

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think you're right, Like, I just

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.119
<v Speaker 2>feel like it would be a little dishonest if we

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 2>came on here after the Utah win and we're like

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:34.639
<v Speaker 2>really like you know, houten and hollering and losing our

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 2>minds over ending the losing streak, when like, we know

0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.359
<v Speaker 2>that this team is very, very good, We know that

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 2>they are capable of getting big regular season wins, and

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.880
<v Speaker 2>we know that they've elevated the standard for themselves. We

0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 2>were trying to kind of sift through this time of

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the season, which historically does not correlate with postseason success.

0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.200
<v Speaker 2>How you kind of close out March and April well,

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 2>usually like you want to finish on the right foot,

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.080
<v Speaker 2>and you feel better as a fan when you're finishing

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 2>on the right foot and you're going into the postseason

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 2>with momentum. Typically it just doesn't tend to carry over,

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 2>particularly now where the Caves are going to get a

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.679
<v Speaker 2>week off after the season. As the playing goes on,

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>they're basically going to have a week of training camp

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.680
<v Speaker 2>positive or negative momentum. You're just not going to be

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 2>able to carry that forward. So it would feel a

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 2>little dishonest because we want to continue to see, Okay,

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 2>can Darius get back on track, Ken Donovan get out

0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 2>of his shooting slump, I can mobily continue to attack

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>some of these larger defenders and work on the counters

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 2>that are going to be so important in the postseason.

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just the result to me isn't as interesting

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:50.160
<v Speaker 2>as the process, and the process didn't feel as clean.

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>In Utah, I felt much much better about the overall

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 2>process and kind of the collective effort from the Calves

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 2>against the Blazers.

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think even when the Portland game wasn't going well,

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 1>it was primarily like making mistakes or not executing, but

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.640
<v Speaker 1>like what they were trying to do felt really really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And who knows, you know, Portland has been really really hot,

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 1>but like they're still not a great team by any means.

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>They're thirty two and forty one. This is not like

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a banner win, and maybe to some extent we are

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.640
<v Speaker 1>giving it a little bit more love than we would

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>have two months ago when the team hadn't lost four

0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>games in a row, and you know, maybe this is

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.200
<v Speaker 1>just a who hum, nice win, But like I do

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>think it felt it felt cavsy that and that's really

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 1>really good to see. So really, all I want is

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.200
<v Speaker 1>for this team to feel like they felt all year

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:53.639
<v Speaker 1>that four game losing streak was frustrating in part because

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 1>they didn't. Yeah, it always feels better when things feel familiar,

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 1>when everything's in place, all the support that you you

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>count on is there, and I just love always having

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<v Speaker 1>Zoom AI companion Noah's putting in work in the background

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>all game against the Blazers. Evan damn Mobley, that was

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>a terrific defensive performance. You know, a defensive Player of

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the Year. Reclaiming performance, one could ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing. He didn't sit on a podcast

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and complain. Apparently that matters a whole lot more than performances.

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, I'm tired of this nonsense.

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Carter Terrible, I am terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired of the shifting standards when it comes to awards.

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm particularly when it comes to Evan Mobley. I'm i

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>am still fired up over that Rookie of the Year

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>where you know, oh, winning really really matters, and then oh,

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Evan Mobley misses ten days and the Cavs slip in

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the standings, so you know they didn't win as much,

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.879
<v Speaker 2>so we have to give the award to someone else where.

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 2>In fact, losing those games is probably a pretty big

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 2>reflection of how good Evan Mobley is. But let's give

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 2>it to somebody who's part of a six man rotation

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 2>and the team is better with him on the bench

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>than he is on the court. I am still not

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 2>over that. I am completely blown away by this nonsense.

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>With Draymond Green, who is a terrific defender, Don't get

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>me wrong, when he is still locked in, when he

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>is giving effort, he is capable of playing defense at

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>a top five level, you know, as good as almost

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>anybody in the league. But from a consistency standpoint, are

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>you kidding me? Evan Mobley has been dominant defensively all year.

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>You know he's going to give you the rebounds, He's

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>going to give you the blocks, He's going to give

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 2>you the steals. When he gets a block, it's basically

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 2>like a steal because he always keeps it in play.

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>He initiates the offense. I don't know what we're doing here.

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how someone can go from a distant,

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 2>distant underdog from a betting standpoint to all the way

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>in the lead just because he asked for it on

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a podcast, and then national podcasters falling in line acting

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 2>like Evan Mobley is a defensive liability because they saw

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>one highlight one highlight of James Harden having a throwback moment,

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's enough to make you think you get hunt.

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 2>You can hunt Evan Mobley. You hunt Evan Mobley. He

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:33.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to maul you.

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Rather you. I feel better. Yeah, did you feel good

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>to get that out?

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, I feel good. Man. That that was cathartic.

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I have. I think the perfect way to explain it

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>would be a tweet. When I complained about this on

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Twitter ninety nine overall, Calvin said, if I had a

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>dollar for every time I swore Mobley had an award

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 1>locked and then someone random entered the conversation and Martin

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>stole it, I would have two dollars. But it's weird.

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>It's happened twice.

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, like I understood the odds would close because

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:16.679
<v Speaker 2>you know Wemby's not there, Jaron Jackson, you know misses time,

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>so naturally the person in second place is going to

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 2>move up in the odds because you know it's never

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>just one person in the race. Come on, man, Evan Mobley,

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>particularly this year where it is so apparent that you

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>know it's not the numbers in the past, you could

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>make the argument, Hey, Evan Mobley's defensive numbers are not

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>as strong when Jared Allen isn't out there, so who's

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 2>really anchoring the defense?

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 3>He's playing as a power forward.

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the time, does he have the same

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>defensive impact as some of these true defensive anchors.

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 3>That's not the case this year.

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>The solo mobile numbers defensively are phenomenal. It's been honestly

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the driving force of that of a Mitchell Evan Mobley

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>pairing when when Darius and Jared go to the bench,

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>it's been the defense that has really carry that lineup.

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it is pretty jarring, pretty surprising to

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>see that it's even in question. I hope it's a

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>brief blip. Maxico in the chat it says, maybe you

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 1>guys should ask for a million dollars since whatever you

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>ask for on a podcast you can get, you know

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>what we're trying every day and it still hasn't happened yet,

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>So maybe that's an NBA privilege, player privilege only. But yeah,

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's pretty crazy to me, and I

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>do think just in general, it feels to me like

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>this last six games or so has represented one of

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the sneakiest little Evan Mobley leaps that we ever did see. Like,

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's been other than that one the

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>game against the Clippers, where I thought he was really

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty rough. Like he's been phenomenal on both sides of

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>the floor and really dominating in like a takeover kind

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of sense. You know, took over late against uh gosh,

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:22.719
<v Speaker 1>who was it? Against the Suns. You know, had a

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>few huge moments on offense and defense against Portland where

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you know it, you know, he bulldozed through Denny Abdia

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and for that dunk. Like he's having such loud splash

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>plays over this last five or six games, and I

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's kind of just gone under the radar

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>because the team hasn't been playing particularly well. But man,

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>when everything else comes together, if he keeps this up,

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's curtains for a lot of teams. Yeah, And

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you look at those solo defensive numbers, they have a

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>defensive rating below one ten one. It's just Evan Mobley

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and no Jared Allen. And like, honestly, what he is

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>capable of doing defensively blows my mind. Like his ability

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>to defend.

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 2>In space, the rebounding the steels, doing so without fouling

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 2>is at such a high, high level, and I continue

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>to think back to you know, Rudy Gobert and the

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Defensive Player of the Year awards and all the accolades

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that he's earned as a defensive player. Having somebody at

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>that level defensively that is also capable of running offense

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.959
<v Speaker 2>the way that Evan Mobley is that that is able

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>to go out there and give you, you know, twenty

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>one points, twelve rebounds for assist, four blocks like that

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>is the that's the path man like Evan Mobley. I

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 2>have never felt more confident that Evan Mobley has like

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 2>a ceiling of being a top five player. I absolutely

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 2>believe that when you have someone that is defensive player

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Year caliber that is also able to produce

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 2>offensively at this level, that has taken you know, such

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>a a dramatic leap at twenty three years old. Yeah,

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that's the path. That's the That's the damn path to

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 2>a top five player. And to me, the most fascinating

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 2>thing about talking about this cav team currently, they are

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>without a doubt, a contender. They are a team that

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>can win a championship this season. Winning a championship when

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>your two best players are you know, six three, six

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>to one, Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland. You need to

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 2>have a high level impact from Evan Mobley. You have

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>to win as a collective. We're gonna need DeAndre Hunter

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>to play at a high level, we need Jared to

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 2>step up. But it's possible, it's possible to win with

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>this configuration. But when you forecast down the road Evan

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Mobley continuing to close that gap and potentially ascending to

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 2>a top five player, that just completely changes the map.

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>That opens up your contending window even wider, because now

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you have a more traditional way to go out and

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>win a championship. And you know, if if he's going

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>to get short changed in the awards voting, which let's

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>be clear here, like I like to represent both sides,

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.479
<v Speaker 2>I like to hedge my bets. I like to be

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 2>fair as I'm being biased as hell. If he doesn't

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>win Defensive Player of the Year, he's robbed. Like he

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>absolutely deserves to win damn Defensive Player of the Year,

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and nothing short of robbery would stop that this year.

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>If he doesn't win that, hopefully that that's fuel. Hopefully

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 2>that's continued motivation because it's it's absurd to you know,

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>harken back to that tweet he just pulled up. It

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.719
<v Speaker 2>happening twice where he loses out on a warding gets robbed,

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>particularly due to podcast opinions. First time around, it was

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Zach Low giving his award voting and everyone's cheating off

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>his notes. This time Draymond Green asking for it himself.

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>To me, I find that to be absurd.

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Draymond just pulled up fandel Is minus one

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>thirty five. He has moved into even more of a

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>favorite than he was.

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Two days ago, even though he ill cooked by Bam.

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know, man, I just I don't know.

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what people are seeing. I don't know

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>where this where this momentum came from, other than from

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the least legitimate source for this to come from. And

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>it would be very, very disappointing. But you know, the

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:23.479
<v Speaker 1>nice thing for us as Cavs fans is we kind

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>of win either way because either Mobley gets appropriately recognized

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 1>for being the best defensive player in the league this year,

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>or Mobley's furious that he wasn't recognized for being the

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 1>best defensive player in the league this year. I mean

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>look at how thoroughly Mobley has throttled Scottie Barnes in

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 1>the games following that award being taken from him at

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the eleventh hour, Like and apply that to the entire league.

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean we smoke the Wars by forty five.

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Know if he needed more motivation to smoke Dreamlond but

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, who knows, maybe he'll get that. You know,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it just drives me nuts where you know, you see

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 2>on a national level people that cover a beat that

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>really are close it and plugged in on teams, they'll

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>really advocate for those guys. I feel like we don't

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 2>have those homers in the media. Like, you know, Brian

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Windhors gets accused of that on The Hoop Collective, which

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I think is absurd. I think his analysis is much

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>more fair and not homerrific. But then he's talking about

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Mobile getting hunted defensively because of that hard and play,

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Like that's not homer talk. That's you know, that's trying

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 2>to give a bounds view or whatever you want to

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>call it. But bon Tempsen mcmahonor are so low on

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the team that by comparison, he gets called a homer.

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Guess who's going to be a homer me, Carter, I'm

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>going to be the homer. I'm your Huckleberry, all right,

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to step up here. I'm going to be

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>that homer that that's necessary. And we don't have the

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 2>reach to influence awards ballots, but I'm going to be here,

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>yap in a way talking Evan Mobley deserves to be

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Defensive Player of the Year.

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>He absolutely does, and and I just be Yeah, I

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.240
<v Speaker 1>thought I really did think I was post caring about awards,

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 1>but like it just feels like such nasty work, this

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 1>whole thing.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, we've been We've been so good this year. Man.

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Like as much as I'm complaining about some national coverage,

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I think in general it's been awesome.

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 3>It's been very.

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Very positive coverage. And I do think part of me

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>wonders here, here's an actual honest question. How much do

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 1>you think the fact that the Calves offense has been

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>so loudly their driver this year is playing into some

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>of this because their defense, like per one hundred, is

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty much the same as last year's in the year before,

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like their defense has not slipped. But the thing that

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>makes them, you know that that an outsider perspective would

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>say is making them special as their offense. You know,

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't know, did Sean Marion ever win

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Defensive Player of the Year. I don't think he did.

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he did.

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Know and as and I always kind of felt that

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>way about the Marion on those Suns teams, is like, yeah,

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>he's phenomenal, but they're not going to give it to

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a team that is known for their offense. And I

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>wonder if that's part of what is playing against him

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>this year, whereas like Golden State's defense is much better

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>than Golden State's offense this year.

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think maybe that's a factor. And you know, maybe.

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>That's not a good factor. To be clear, that's not

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>a smart an analytical factor. I just wonder if that's

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>part of the perception.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the continuous issues that you deal

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>with when you talk about awards is that people aren't

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>putting a lot of effort into it. I don't think

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>they dive into the data. Yeah, the defense is the

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>same as it was last year, But what's different than

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>last year is there is a drop off this year

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>when you're going from Mobiley to Jared Right, some of

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that has been three point variants. Some of it has

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 2>been a field goal percentage at the rim. Evan Mobley

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>is the reason why him his number is being so

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.800
<v Speaker 2>much better defensively, is the reason why the team's overall

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>defense is in the same spot that it was, you know,

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the year prior. So you know, who knows. Maybe it's

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the ebbs and flows of award voting and you know,

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the shifting nods or just to drive action or whatever

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 2>the case may be. Well, we'll see what it ultimately is.

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the good thing is accolades do non impact results,

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think that there's much There's not a

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that I can think of. There's not

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of players I can think that impact results

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.319
<v Speaker 2>more than Evan Mobley. When you look at basically what

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 2>he's done since he was drafted to a lottery team,

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 2>you look at the winning percentage of when he plays

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 2>as a Cleveland Cavalier, we're at a fifty three win

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 2>pace for his career. When Evan Mobley is in the lineup.

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>That is a guy that impacts winning. His defense has

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 2>been the primary driver of impacting that winning. But now

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.800
<v Speaker 2>he's becoming a well rounded player and that's what's helping

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>elevate him to that top ten level.

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Man, Let's hope, let's hope they finish the season strong,

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.919
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we can flip some of these narratives back.

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, let's go get that wins record. Why not,

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, go get that wins record. They got to

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>finish nine and one to get it. Justin how the.

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Hell are they getting a back to back? When they

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.359
<v Speaker 2>returned from their road trip, I was listening to Chris

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Feeder's podcast, he mentioned that they got home to Cleveland

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>like with the time change, flying back for over on

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Portland at seven thirty in the morning, and then they

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>have a back to back. Evan Mobley will be out

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 2>for the game against home road back to back. It's

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>not even a home home back to back.

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Absurd.

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least it's a short flight to Detroit.

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>But man, like it's just constant, constant travel. Mobley is

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 2>out for Rest against the Spurs. Ti Jerome is questionable.

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought Ti Jerome and DeAndre Hunter deserve a shap

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 2>off for that Portland game. Both of them were fantastic

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 2>coming in there. I found it interesting, Carter, this probably

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 2>isn't a surprise, particularly with Hunter coming in off the

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 2>bench and Harris LeVert going out in the DeAndrea Hunter trade.

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 2>But DeAndre Hunter's played more minutes with Tie than anyone

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.760
<v Speaker 2>else on the team, two hundred and sixty three minutes

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 2>together with Ty Jerome one twenty four point five offensive

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>rating plus ten point three nets. They've been awesome together,

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know, them providing that kind of joint scoring

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>punch was a big part of that win against the Blazers.

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Longo just jumped into the YouTube chat and said

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>he got into his house at eight thirty in the morning.

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Shouts to Jimmy if you're in the everyone else in

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the chat, please please give some love to Jimmy. Every

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>beautiful pick, almost every beautiful picture you see the Cavs

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>sweet out, a lot of them are coming from Jemmy,

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>So big, big shouts to big shouts to Jimmy. Happy

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to see him in the chat. Can't believe he's not

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>in a coma right now after that roach trip.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>He's trying to stay awake so that he can fall

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 2>asleep tonight at a normal time and start getting that

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 2>internal clock back on track.

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy says who says, I'm not in a coma. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you can do that. You can lay you can you

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>can be listening to the podcast laying down.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's been reflected in our review sometimes,

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>where people say they listen to us and they feel

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 2>like they're.

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>In a coma. But yeah, I mean to get us

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>back on topic, Ty and DeAndre uh definitely were very good.

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I messaged you during the game yesterday. I was just like,

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 1>what is DeAndre kind of the mid range prince that

0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>was promised that you know, we wanted from Caris, you know,

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>because even when Karis were as best, I always I

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>never really felt like we got that the the MIDI

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>king that we thought we were getting. We thought we're

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>going to get the tough shot seventeen footer guy. And

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I always felt like Carris's best games were when he

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>was killing it at the rim and from three, and like,

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that. I mean, that's almost always going to

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>be the case with your best games. But it feels

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>like DeAndre is able to use that extra height, that

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>extra size to take the bump, get set and have

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 1>a really clean look at the rim on some of

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 1>these midies.

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think it's a real benefit to have

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 2>someone that's that long and capable of getting that shot off,

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 2>because that's that's a playoff shot like that, that mid

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>range kind of pull up. You need to be able

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>to have someone that can take and make those because

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 2>often that's what the defense is giving you. And thinking

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>back to those finals teams that we had with the Cavs,

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 2>that was a big part of, you know, the shot

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 2>diet for Kyrie. Kyrie being that mid range assassin helped

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>reopen up the paint, It helped open up the perimeter.

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>And having someone that has the length that DeAndre Hunter

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>has to hit those tough shots, that is something that

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 2>gives me confidence heading into the playoffs. That's something that

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 2>we haven't had in the past where you know, you

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 2>really were relying on two shorter guards to generate all

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>of the offense. And you know, if Mobiley was being

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>passive or Jared wasn't having a good game, he just

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't have that front court initiation. So to have DeAndre

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.919
<v Speaker 2>Hunter capable of doing that and then Ti Jerome who's

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.359
<v Speaker 2>just going to take shots no matter what, like that's

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>those those are two archetypes that when I think back

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 2>to teams that have won the championship, that have contended

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 2>for championships. Those are really really important archetypes. Those are

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 2>things that I can point back to. I can think of,

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, Jason Terry having those Ti Jerome type games,

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and you know the fact that he's done it for

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the entirety of this regular season with you know, a

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>few shooting lalls, but the continued confidence throughout. I think

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 2>that that's a really really encouraging sign.

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Brother.

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what A significantly tougher shot diet for

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Ty Jerome looks like like he's like I remember earlier

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:04.320
<v Speaker 1>in the year he was in ninety ninth percentile for

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>like difficulty of his shots, and like it looks like it. Yep,

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>numbers match doesn't feel easy, Nope. And one thing I'll

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 1>say on DeAndre just a reminder, just because we haven't

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>really talked about it since the trade, he has been

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 1>a playoff riser, you know, which is the kind of

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>guy you really want. He's averaged sixteen points in five

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>boards in his playoff career, slashing a forty eight and

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>forty eight from the field and forty from three. Like,

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 1>he is a player who has done well in that

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>setting in tough matchups. So really excited to see how

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>he kind of fits in to this rotation as they

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>move into the kind of end of the postseason.

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I am very curious about you know. I

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:51.359
<v Speaker 2>continue to keep an eye on how he's fitting into

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the rotation because the one thing that's really surprised me

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 2>is that he is playing primarily as a power forward,

0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:59.879
<v Speaker 2>even with him coming in off the bench. I kind

0:44:59.920 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 2>of expected a little more even if he's coming off

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the bench that it would be with Dean Wade. Right, Okay,

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 2>we're going to have them as our three to four.

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 2>We're going to play a more versatile defensive lineup, but

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 2>we're still going to maintain size. And one thing that

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Kenny has been talking about in the post games is

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>that he wants to continue to have an increased emphasis

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 2>on the possession battle because so often that it is

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>one of the most important factors in the postseason. When

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 2>you go into a series against the Boston Celtics, that's

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 2>going to be something that really matters. One of the

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 2>ways that you can mitigate any talent gap that exists

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 2>or experience gap that exists, is by mitigating those mistakes

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 2>by making sure you give yourself those extra possessions. And

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the thing that I find really interesting about him playing

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>primarily as a power forward is I think that that

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>does kind of work against that rebounding goal. DeAndre Hunter

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 2>has had times where he's rebounded well, but he is

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 2>not a particularly starrong rebounder, and when he playing as

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 2>the power forward, the trickle down effect of that is

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you're playing smaller everywhere else throughout the lineup, and particularly

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 2>when you look at the fact that he's played more

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 2>minutes with Ty Jerome than anyone else. We've already talked

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 2>about how playing tie means alongside one of the guards

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>means that you know, you have two guys that are

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>susceptible to being attacked by perimeter players offensively. But with

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:27.839
<v Speaker 2>Sam continuing to play as much as he is, you're

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.839
<v Speaker 2>playing three guard lineups with the power forward that isn't

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 2>particularly strong on the defensive glass. And that gets into

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 2>what we were talking about before, where Jarrett gets a

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>disproportion amount of the blame when he's playing with a

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>power forward that is in a particularly strong defensive rebounder

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:45.720
<v Speaker 2>and three guards on the perimeter.

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, and it's a little concerning the Calves

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:57.360
<v Speaker 1>on the season are down to twenty second in defensive

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>rebound rate. Prior to the All Star Break, they were eighteenth.

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>After the All Star Break, they are twenty fifth. And

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, we went into that New York series two

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>years ago and we did say we're confident going into

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the series, but one thing that could really hurt us

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 1>is the boards. You know, you know, at that point

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.720
<v Speaker 1>New York was the best offensive rebound rate in the league,

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>in the best offensive rebound rate team in the league.

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 1>My brain just collapsed on itself. And the Cavs were

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:34.879
<v Speaker 1>after the All Star Break by a mile, the worst

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 1>defensive rebound rate team in the league.

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 3>And like they're not that.

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, the difference between twenty fifth and in seventeenth

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>or fifteenth is like a percentage point or two. So

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not like disaster town. But you know, you look

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 1>at their peers post All Star Break in terms of

0:47:56.080 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 1>bad defensive rebound rate, Philly, Washington, in San Antonio, Brooklyn, Portland,

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:10.760
<v Speaker 1>or Lando, Atlanta, New Orleans, Charlotte, those are their peers

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.440
<v Speaker 1>in the defensive rebound Those are the people around them

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>in the defensive rebound rate. So like this is I

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>think I'm willing to say it is like a real concern,

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>not a death knell, you know, burn it all down,

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 1>we're screwed. But it is a thing that you really

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>want to see them figure out a way to address,

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 1>whether it's in the lineups they're playing to your point

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 1>or just playing better.

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And to me, the primary concern is that I like,

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 2>when I look at the most likely opponents, that's not

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.480
<v Speaker 2>a strength for any of them, right, Like the New

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 2>York Knicks are not a big offensive rebounding team like

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 2>they used to be, even with the return of Mitchell Robinson.

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Boston Celtics are in particular really strong there. The Oklahoma

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>City Thunder aren't going to make you pay there, So

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's going to materialize in the same way.

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 2>But the concern to me is I do believe that

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>this is something that can be changed with personnel decisions

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 2>by playing a different lineup. I think DeAndre at the

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:20.800
<v Speaker 2>three and mor Dean at the four does feel like

0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the if you had to do a one sentence solution,

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 2>it's probably that, right, yeah, right, And even if you're

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about all right, well, we're going to play some

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 2>hunter at the four. But we're going to have Icycle

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Corra out there, and we're going to have Maxters out there,

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 2>right the guys that are high energy guys. I've loved

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>how Ocoro has been hitting the glass. That's different than

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:46.239
<v Speaker 2>playing that three guard lineup. And I do think, you know,

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 2>the tension point here continues to be Sam Merrill, who

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you know. Kenny Atkinson inserted him in the starting lineup

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>against Portland. I thought it was very similar to what

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>he did with Wade in the starting lineup against Sacramento,

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 2>where Wade had been in a bit of a slump.

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Sam has been in a slump lately and that really

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 2>got them going. And the tough thing is, boy was

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Sam good?

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 3>By the way? Sam?

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Sam was terrific. And you know, the

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 2>tension point is at someone that deserves minutes. That's someone

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 2>that's been playing really well. When you look at the

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 2>lineup data, like as much as I'll say, you know

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 2>from a theory, from a theory standpoint, and how it

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 2>feels on paper, the three guard lineups, I don't love it.

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 2>When you look at the actual lineup data, terrific. Defensively,

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>the numbers with tiderome are phenomenal. I look at the

0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.919
<v Speaker 2>offensive rebounds allowed with Sam Merrill at the two versus

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Sam Merrill at the three, and it's a less than

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 2>one percent difference. It's not like that has been kind

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.319
<v Speaker 2>of the thing that's driving it. If I look at

0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:49.680
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hunter at the three with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley,

0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it's very small sample. It's under one hundred possessions, but

0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 2>they're in the zero percentile in terms of offensive rebound rate.

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 3>They give up a lot of them. If I add

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Dean Wade to the.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.839
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hunter minutes, it's two hundred and ten possessions. It's

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 2>only in the eleven, sorry, the seventh percentile in offensive

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 2>rebound rate. It's not like Dean automatically fixes that issue.

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.839
<v Speaker 2>But my issue truly is that I just don't think

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that we have a lot of minutes with these guys.

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I think that we can play different styles. I think,

0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:28.680
<v Speaker 2>particularly when it comes to things like defense, understanding rebounding assignments,

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 2>those sorts of things, you need to have familiarity, you

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 2>have to have continuity. It requires communication, and without the

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>necessary reps in the regular season, I don't think you

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 2>can necessarily build that and you're just running low on games,

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 2>so you're stuck in a tough situation where, you know,

0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:53.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't envy Kenny Atkinson. You're dealing with someone that's

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 2>very deserving of minutes. Where the lineup data is all

0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.440
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal when it comes to Sam Merrill, but then when

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:04.320
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to anticipate potential pain points in the playoffs,

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:08.240
<v Speaker 2>it may necessitate going into a different direction with the rotation.

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a really really tough thing to balance here.

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 3>They're I.

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 2>The case seems very very easy on paper. In reality,

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.919
<v Speaker 2>and particularly when you're talking about a coaching staff that does,

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, value the data. The data makes it so

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.839
<v Speaker 2>much harder because it just works every other way.

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's almost so I think it's almost one

0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of the spots where the Cabs are a little punished

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:42.240
<v Speaker 1>by how easy this season's been. Yeah, where it's really

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>really hard to find high minute lineups that get their

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 1>ass kicked. Yeah, on either end of the floor. Like

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 1>even like, oh, that offensive that lineup isn't so good.

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 1>They only posted a one fourteen offensive rating, and if

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 1>they'd made two more threes it would be one seventeen

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 1>offensive ratings. You know, like so like everything kind of

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.359
<v Speaker 1>flattens out. You know, I've talked a lot about how,

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's easier to analyze things from this seat,

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and probably from a coach's seat too, when you lose

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 1>because you have a dead body to autopsy. It's a

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 1>lot harder when all these lineups have been serving you

0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:25.080
<v Speaker 1>really really well this year. So it's funny, we've we've

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:29.680
<v Speaker 1>had so much fun justin extolling the virtues of our

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>forty eight minutes of hell and how it sucks to

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>play us because every lineup we play is good.

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Now when we're starting to get really really playoff focused,

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>we don't have good data to make to base our

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 1>opinions on or or we don't have different data. It's

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:49.919
<v Speaker 1>not to say the data is not good just because

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not what aligns with us, but it's really really

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>hard to to, you know, to you know, try to

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like split the hairs on on these opinions when the

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>data set is so samey.

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 3>And here's the other tricky thing.

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 2>When we're talking about trying different things right, whether it's

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.160
<v Speaker 2>moving DeAndre Hunter to the starting lineup, which you know,

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I continue to talk about how good the Max Strus

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:20.319
<v Speaker 2>lineup is but just to get minutes with DeAndre Hunter

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and the core four like that seems to be the

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 2>only way you can go with it. Whether it's that

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 2>as an example, whether it is changing up the rotation

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>to give icycle choral more minutes, or plane Dean Wade

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>along with DeAndre Hunter so that you have more size

0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 2>in the front court. Anytime you're talking about one of

0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 2>those changes, you're talking about moving away from a lineup

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 2>combination that's worked really well, that yields consistently good results

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 2>at a time where the team overall is struggling, where

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell have been going

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>through slumps, and you know the things that you can

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:02.360
<v Speaker 2>traditionally count on to work are no longer you know,

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 2>supporting you as a backbone. So you're saying make or

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:09.960
<v Speaker 2>we're saying, make these adjustments, make you these tweaks experiment

0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:14.479
<v Speaker 2>for the postseason at a time where hey, this canoe

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 2>is starting to leak a little bit of water here

0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 2>and we're tired.

0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.400
<v Speaker 3>We're not I'm not in the mood to experiment.

0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's let's stick with some bread and butter here.

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's make it through the cold hard winner. And then

0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:28.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, when when when you have the postseason, let's

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.000
<v Speaker 2>let's mess around in the first round. We have a

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 2>warm up series basically that we we can you know,

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 2>go through and maybe make some of these tweaks. It's

0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a tough, tough ask, and I just

0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 2>want to communicate that I understand it's a tough, tough ask.

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.640
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that this stuff is as straightforward

0:55:47.680 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 2>as it feels even in my own head.

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I do wonder now that they have given

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:58.400
<v Speaker 1>up ground that will likely be hard to reclaim, and

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the overall ones race, and you know, obviously, and Boston's

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>right on their heels, all of a sudden, they're they're

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 1>they're five games back. Thank god, the haves won to

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 1>get them back to five games. And I looked at

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that stands as I saw four and a half, I

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my gosh, because it just felt so

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>over in. Still really should be. It would be really

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.160
<v Speaker 1>really bad to be to be caught. But I do

0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>wonder if once the one seed is confirmed, you know,

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 1>let's say they go win their next three games or

0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:34.160
<v Speaker 1>something like, and and Boston loses one, and it's like

0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 1>all but done. I wonder if that's where we see

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 1>an actual change in their strategy the rest of the year,

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 1>or if they're just still trying to win games and

0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>just get through see if they're trying to get to

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that wins record and all that stuff. I just I

0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 1>wonder where their priorities are going to lie now that

0:56:56.640 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 1>one piece of the puzzle, which is the number one

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.839
<v Speaker 1>overall seed, feels pretty out of reach.

0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's going to be really interesting, right, Like, I

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 2>think this falls into the category of us continuing to

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:12.719
<v Speaker 2>learn more about Kenny Atkinson, and you know, I continue

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to really really appreciate how transparent he is in these

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 2>postgame availabilities because we're not only learning about Kenny Atkinson,

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.800
<v Speaker 2>we're learning what he's learning, right, Like, he's really communicating, Hey,

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:27.120
<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm trying to accomplish, this is you know,

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 2>this is the thought process behind what I'm doing. I

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 2>just really really appreciate that insight. And you know that

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to DeAndre Hunter, yes, I'd love to

0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 2>see him start, just because I want to get those

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>reps with the starters. The limited sample that we have

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:46.600
<v Speaker 2>on that is great, but you know, it's fifty three possessions.

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not even really worth you know, discussing the results

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to that. We do have some you know,

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 2>continued data on how it's working in the staggered pairings,

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 2>because obviously with him coming off the bench, he's playing

0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of minutes with Darius, He's playing a lot

0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 2>of minutes with Donovan. That lineup with with Darius, Jared

0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and DeAndre is kind of the core three. There has

0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 2>a one to twenty six point six offensive rating plus

0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 2>fifteen point five and two hundred and sixty three possessions,

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:16.160
<v Speaker 2>so a pretty healthy sample there, with Donovan and Evan

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 2>not as good on eight point three offensive rating and

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:22.520
<v Speaker 2>only a plus one point four net, so the defense

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.480
<v Speaker 2>is really struggling in those minutes in two hundred and

0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 2>twelve possessions. You know in theory that that combination of

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Donovan and Evan has been phenomenal defensively this year. It's

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 2>been you know, considerably better on the defensive end than

0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:43.120
<v Speaker 2>the Darius and Evan or sorry, jaredt one. So adding

0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:45.919
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Hunter shin't make it worse defensively. So I think

0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:50.040
<v Speaker 2>that's probably a shooting variants kind of thing. But you know,

0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.520
<v Speaker 2>DeAndre is someone that you can plug into a whole

0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:56.680
<v Speaker 2>bunch of lineups, and I think continuing to go to

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 2>that well of playing him with ty Jerome has been

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that they can really count on,

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 2>particularly in a time where the starters haven't been as

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 2>consistent as they have or as they were earlier in

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the season.

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, it's uh, it's gonna be a fun end

0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 1>of the year. Man. I think I went from uh,

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I've gone through quite an emotional game, and I feel

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.320
<v Speaker 1>like the last couple of weeks of like, everything's great,

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing less left to learn too, Oh crap,

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Like are we are we falling off in a way

0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that is meaningful or is this just a we're not

0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in the good you know, we're just not in the

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:39.240
<v Speaker 1>right headspace kind of slump. And now it's like, I'm

0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:42.200
<v Speaker 1>just looking for playoff indicators wherever I can, you know,

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 1>looking looking for any canaries in the coal mine that

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:49.000
<v Speaker 1>will tell me something about this team three four weeks

0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 1>from now, and you know, time will tell. I still

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:56.560
<v Speaker 1>would love to see them go for that wins record,

0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, for the franchise record, but I think it's

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.920
<v Speaker 1>probably more important that they that they're healthy whole and

1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, generally trending up on the way in.

1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally agree.

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:13.720
<v Speaker 2>It's it's remarkable, man, Like it's the season's kind of

1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:17.120
<v Speaker 2>flown by. You know, maybe time flies when you're having fun.

1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:19.920
<v Speaker 2>But it's crazy that there's only ten games left and

1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.880
<v Speaker 2>by the next time we podcast only be seven games left.

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Man.

1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:27.760
<v Speaker 2>We got three games and four nights all over again, man,

1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and travel between all of them. I again, I can't

1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:35.600
<v Speaker 2>believe that after this road trip we have a travel

1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:38.640
<v Speaker 2>back to back, and not only that, after the travel

1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:41.320
<v Speaker 2>back to back, you have an afternoon Mattine game on

1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.080
<v Speaker 2>a Sunday against the Clippers.

1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:45.280
<v Speaker 1>What have we done us?

1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Adam Adamm Silver? What have we done to you? Why?

1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Why do you do this to us? I want to know,

1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:52.720
<v Speaker 3>I really really want to know.

1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:56.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, when we talk about the wins record, if

1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:59.320
<v Speaker 2>we go three and ozero over this stretch, I'm going

1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:01.560
<v Speaker 2>to feel a lot better about what we're capable of

1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:04.680
<v Speaker 2>pulling off those last seven games. So hopefully they can

1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:05.680
<v Speaker 2>get the win again.

1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:08.480
<v Speaker 1>First, for what, for what is worth? Before I know

1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:10.920
<v Speaker 1>you're getting ready to wrap us, But for what is sworth?

1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:14.680
<v Speaker 1>On the Evan Mobley agenda. He got one, two, three,

1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:19.800
<v Speaker 1>four national games left in these final ten. You know,

1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:22.040
<v Speaker 1>these are going to be the kind of things that

1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>can turn the tide. Like we saw Mobiley move from

1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:29.479
<v Speaker 1>second behind JJJ to a definitive favorite for Defensive Player

1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:32.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Year after he sunned him on National TV.

1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:37.440
<v Speaker 1>They're going to have a marquee matchup with the Knicks

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<v Speaker 1>on April second. I don't know if Brunston will be

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<v Speaker 1>back by then, but uh but uh yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great, great opportunity for the for these guys

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<v Speaker 1>to put one final stamp on what's been one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best seasons in the history of the of the franchise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know the sweet thing about the awards

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<v Speaker 2>race when it comes to then Mobley winning Defensive Player

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<v Speaker 2>or really any as awards is you know, you just

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<v Speaker 2>know that the Cavs have to work five times harder

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<v Speaker 2>to win any of those awards. If Evan Mobley has

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<v Speaker 2>one bad defensive play in any of those National TV games,

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to get held against them.

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<v Speaker 3>That that. You know, Draymond can.

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<v Speaker 2>Get cooked for a game against BAM out of bio,

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<v Speaker 2>he can get cooked in any game. But all it

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<v Speaker 2>takes is one play for for the odds to shift

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<v Speaker 2>in a big way. You know what, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>real takeaway though, Carter Evan Mobley, come on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>because apparently complaining on the podcast is all you need

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<v Speaker 2>to do to win an award.

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<v Speaker 1>To see you herev come on over.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe maybe I should be advocating for podcast awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I should be complaining more about that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and speaking that into existence, getting us some awards, Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>Our accolades, God, we need them, yeah, really do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my my my ego is totally in check

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<v Speaker 2>as is so I'm baby. I'm sure it would stay

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<v Speaker 2>in a healthy, healthy place if we ever did win

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<v Speaker 2>an award.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, so, no problem, very very true.

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