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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. In this episode number sixty seven,

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Speaker 1: tay the show, we're talking all things trail cameras and

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Speaker 1: we're joined by terriffic guest Don Higgins. All Right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast. We've got a good

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Speaker 1: one for you today is we're talking trail cameras and

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Speaker 1: joining us as a repeat guest, Mr Don Higgins. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you missed first episode with Don back in December

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Speaker 1: of last year, two fourteen, I highly recommend listening to

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Speaker 1: that one. But if you did miss that, to catch

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Speaker 1: you up just a little bit, Don is a really

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Speaker 1: serious Illinois whitetail hunter, an outdoor writer for magazines like

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Speaker 1: North American White Tail and others, and an author of

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Speaker 1: a couple of great deer hunting books. He's a guy

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Speaker 1: that have learned a tremendous amount of um from when

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Speaker 1: it comes to hunting big mature bucks in especially high

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Speaker 1: pressure areas. So I'm excited that Don's with us today.

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Speaker 1: He's going to share with us some really great insights

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Speaker 1: when it comes to trail cameras, and our plan is

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Speaker 1: to just grow him on all things. Trail cameras is

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Speaker 1: something we haven't taught. We've talked a little bit about

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Speaker 1: with a bunch of different people, we've never dove deep

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Speaker 1: on it with a guest. So I'm excited to do

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Speaker 1: that with Don here. And it's, you know, of course,

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Speaker 1: very timely since it's the summertime and if you're like me,

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Speaker 1: you're obsessing over trail cameras right now. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, I need to trash talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: with the man, the myth, the co host, Dan Johnson,

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Speaker 1: also known as Dallas fort Worth. Dan, this is the

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Speaker 1: last podcast. This is the last podcast of the summer

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Speaker 1: in which you will have the upper hand on me. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: So bring the trash talk. I'm waiting for it. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get a booner this weekend. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: a booner on trail camera and I'm gonna smoke you

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Speaker 1: in the trail camera. Bet. I'm That's all there is

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Speaker 1: to it. It's gonna happen. Well, you know, I hope

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Speaker 1: you do, Mark, And if you know, if you need

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Speaker 1: that to be successful in life. Then if you need

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Speaker 1: this one, you know, you can have it. But I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about this beat, right, So my question to

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Speaker 1: you is we we discussed we discussed total number of inches, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what happens if you get some giant booner twelve pointer, right,

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Speaker 1: and I have let's say that it's like one seventy

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Speaker 1: be Is this scale gonna be weighted at all? I

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Speaker 1: think it gets too subjective if you start getting at

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Speaker 1: least I mean personally, I think he's got to keep

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Speaker 1: it simple with inches. That's the only real way we

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Speaker 1: can really, you know, accurately quantify score, because if you

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Speaker 1: start saying, well, how much is an eight pointer worth?

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Speaker 1: Then it gets weird. Nope, I just figured, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I've seen some pretty big eight pointers on my

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Speaker 1: you can trash talk me all you want. Um, you

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Speaker 1: can win if you want. But you know, I have

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Speaker 1: what's on that one that's by an egg field? And um,

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Speaker 1: there and you know, maybe put one last extra try

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Speaker 1: if that what's that Glenn? He's the biggest one? Is

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Speaker 1: But what you get this time of year doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: It's very true. This is this is really more just

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Speaker 1: He probably wouldn't be to ten this year. He'll probably

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Speaker 1: I don't get your hopes up for that. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: him last year. He just wanted to show up October seven,

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Speaker 1: the first time he was on my trail camera. He's

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Speaker 1: and you could have the chance of bumping anything, But

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Speaker 1: that's what I'll do, the maintenance and check on things

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Speaker 1: they chew the seats out of them. Yeah. I have

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Speaker 1: Actually been from HUNTERA is coming to fill me and

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Speaker 1: And I just love doing these kind of things, especially

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Speaker 1: Benny said the same thing. I'm jealous. You guys are

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Speaker 1: can get to do that. But me and Corey will

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Speaker 1: Corey is still trying to steal your sheds from you? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a story for another day. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: he's laying there, his mouth's open, he's sprawled out, and

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Speaker 1: so for like fifteen minutes we just took different pictures

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Speaker 1: of him and texted to all of our buddies and uh,

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Speaker 1: we would try to wake him up or poke him,

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Speaker 1: and he he doesn't wake So he's one of the

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Speaker 1: he's yeah, hey, Corey, he's gonna call me after listening

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Speaker 1: to this piste. What he gets talking about before. That's

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Speaker 1: how I'd like to pretend he talks. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he really does, but that's my character of him. Well

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Speaker 1: have much more useful stuff to talk about when it

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Speaker 1: comes to trail cameras than than you and me right now.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's time to give down a call.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my plan, Dan is that we just

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Speaker 1: ask Don every question we've ever had about trail cameras.

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Speaker 1: He's been using them for a long time. He uses

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Speaker 1: them a lot, and I think he's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of interesting insights you can share about them. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious what his kind of playing throughout the season

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Speaker 1: or the entire year compared to what I currently do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too, So I'd say, let's let's give down a ring.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, here goes, But quickly before we

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Speaker 1: is Don Higgins. Welcome back to the show. Done. Thanks

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Speaker 1: gonna anomaly. Some deer don't stick to this, But if

428
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: you average everything out, the largest jumps from one and

429
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: a half to two and a half actually where they

430
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: go from on average about thirty of the potential growth

431
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: to their potential growth by two and a half. That's

432
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: the largest on average. And then from two to three

433
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: on average they jump up by So at three and

434
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: a half, most average deer have reached eight of growth

435
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: um and then it just slowly goes up from there.

436
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: So to your point down after three and a half,

437
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: there's not a huge jump. It kind of slowly goes

438
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: for the average dear um. So between five and seven

439
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: is when the average buck will peak. So interesting little

440
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: bit of insight there from from researchers. Yeah, and I

441
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: think we as hunters don't tend to give the bucks

442
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: enough credit as for being individuals. It's uh to put

443
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: it in human terms. You know, we all went to

444
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: school with those guys that we're in junior high we're

445
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: shaving and who are already built like man, you know,

446
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: and the other guys that didn't mature until you know,

447
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: you go back for your ten year reunion. In that

448
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: little runt that was in your class, he's the biggest

449
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: guy there. I'm still waiting for that. Well, but me too.

450
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: But uh, I've just watched, you know, over the years,

451
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: like this summer, for example, I've got twenty one bucks

452
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,239
Speaker 1: here in research pans that that i'm watching mature or

453
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 1: grow grow out the racks. And I've been doing this

454
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: for over twenty years. So in that twenty years time,

455
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: I've watched hundreds of bucks grow that I absolutely know

456
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: without a doubt what their age is. And that kind

457
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: of brings up a pet peeve of mind. I see

458
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: all these articles and this stuff on the internet, you

459
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: know about age, this buck ag just buck, and I'm

460
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: telling you that it's about impossible to do their Their

461
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: bodies are different and their racks are definitely different. Um.

462
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've got deer and pens of people would

463
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: say are are five years old, they're two years old,

464
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: and vice versa. You know, I've got older bucks that

465
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: look young. It's just, you know, it's kind of the

466
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: same way with people. I mean, there's people that are

467
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: fifty that look like they're thirty, and there's people that

468
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: are fifty look like they're eighty. So, uh, I think

469
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to pick on Quality Deer Management Association,

470
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: but we've kind of done a disservice to deer on

471
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: hers thinking that we can judge a deer by a

472
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: picture or even you know, visually, because it's just about

473
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: impossible to age in that way. And if I ever

474
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: mentioned a buck's age and article or seminar or anything,

475
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: it's a buck that I've watched grow up. If I

476
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: start getting a picture of a buck on a trail

477
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: camera and I know he's a year later, I know

478
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: he's a two year old, and and then I can

479
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: go back and look at past you know, uh year's

480
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: photos of that same buck. You know, I'm pretty pretty

481
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: certain whenever I mentioned a buck's age. Um, But you know,

482
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: I think we've tried to to make ourselves a little

483
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: smarter than what we really are in that regards. Anyway,

484
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: it's definitely tricky. There's, like you said, there's so many

485
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: intricacies and anomalies where it'll be dear that just don't

486
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: fit the mold. So and with average deer, you know,

487
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: just like with people. You know, the average guys gonna

488
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: look a certain way when he graduates high school, and

489
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, a certain way at thirty years old and

490
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: forty years old and on down the line. But there's

491
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna be some individual variants within that as well. Yeah, yeah,

492
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: so true. So it sounds like it's just just based

493
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: on what we've been talking about already. It sounds like

494
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of experience with trail cameras. Um,

495
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: But how long have you been running trail cameras and

496
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: how many do you usually run? I'm curious. Uh, I

497
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: can't remember when I got my first one. I know

498
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four when I shot my big Buck,

499
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: I had one trail camera at that time, and I

500
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: tried my darn just to get a picture of him.

501
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: I never did. Um, But today I've got some of

502
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: them between fifteen and twenty of them. Um, I run,

503
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: I'm extensively on properties and I'm gonna hunt or have

504
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: permission to hunt, or very close to those properties. Um,

505
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: there's a couple of situations where I've got permission to

506
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: hang cameras where I don't have permission to hunt, but

507
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: I hunt nearby. So I just kind of try to

508
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: inventory the buck herd in the area. And i hunt

509
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: primarily in three different counties, So I've got those cameras

510
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: continually being rotated within those three counties and multiple properties.

511
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Gives me a pretty good feel for the bucks that

512
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: I've I can select from that to go after in

513
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: the fall. Yeah, yeah, I imagine that's that's pretty unique.

514
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: I've I've never thought about asking permission to hang a

515
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: trail camera on a neighboring property that I don't have

516
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: permission to hunt. That's that's kind of put a spark

517
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: in my head. It's good. Yeah, I'm always looking for

518
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: an angle, you know. Well, I just kind of maturity

519
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: the hunter to the point where, you know, shooting a

520
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: hundred deer and doesn't really do it for me anymore.

521
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: And it used to be that. Just the other day,

522
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: I was counting up how many properties I've got access

523
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: to this fall, And I counted twelve properties that I've

524
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: got permission to be on this fall in those three counties.

525
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is I will probably

526
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: spend time on only half of those properties. In other words,

527
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: half of the properties I've got permission to hunt. I

528
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: won't spend us single day hunting just because although I

529
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: will have a trail camera and every one of them

530
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season, which I'll monitor. But you know,

531
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: if you want to shoot a hundred seventy inch bigger deer,

532
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: you've got to go where they are at. You can't

533
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: just go where you've got PERMISSI and hope one will

534
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: show up. And you have. The biggest revolution in deer

535
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: hunting since I started back in the nine seventies is

536
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: trail cameras. They just uh. It used to be the

537
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: only way you knew if a buck was there is

538
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: a personal sighting or find a ship antler. You really

539
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: couldn't take anybody else's word for it, because what's huge

540
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: to one guy is, you know, not much to another.

541
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: So these trail cameras have just allowed me to be

542
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: scouting properties twenty four hours a day, almost three hundred

543
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: sixty five days a year. I'll put my trail cameras

544
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: out about the first of July and then i'll pull

545
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: them once the bucks of shed antlers usually in March,

546
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: so I'm always just I'm looking for the next giant

547
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: buck to go after. And uh, if I got to

548
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: go to a spot that's close to where one of

549
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: my properties are, but where I know, I'll never get permission.

550
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: A lot of landowners will will give you permission to

551
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: hang a trail camera because they want to see what's

552
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: there too. Most of the time they'll say, yeah, would

553
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: you show me your pictures as you get them, or

554
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: email me the pictures or whatever. Stopped by and show me.

555
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: And I've done that a lot. But one thing exactly,

556
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: I made that mistake years ago. This is no joke.

557
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Years ago. I got a giant buck on this little

558
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: property and got pictures, I mean excellent pictures of this

559
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: buck hitting the mock scrape that I made. And I

560
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: was telling the landowner about and his wife, and the

561
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: wife wanted to see the pictures. So I thought I'd

562
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: be nice and I went and had an eight by

563
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: ten blowed up and made for him, and the very

564
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: very next year, there was a tree standard. I told

565
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: him where I got the picture too, right in the

566
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: exact corner. The very next year, there was a tree

567
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: stand in that corner right where I told him somebody

568
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: else permission to hunt and that's some family member, you know,

569
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: and told him where I got the picture. I'll never

570
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: make that mistake again. So what's the biggest buck you've

571
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: ever got on trail camera? Don mm hmmm, Probably, Oh,

572
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a couple that we're probably the

573
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: one eighties nice big boys. Yeah, two of the biggest bucks.

574
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: The big buck I shot, I never got a picture

575
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: of him. And then the very following year there's another

576
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: big one in that same area that I was after,

577
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine ended up shooting shooting the

578
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: buck during gun season and uh, I think he scored one,

579
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: and I did not get a picture of that one either.

580
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Those the biggest of bucks there are tough to find,

581
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: whether it be during hunting season or in trail camera.

582
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, you gotta throw something different. I'm just

583
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of like hunting them almost you know, the first

584
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: time in your stand is the best time to kill

585
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: a big buck, and it's almost that way with trail cameras.

586
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: You need to the first time you set it out.

587
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, you can't be stomping back and forth, just

588
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: like you don't go hunt your stand, same stand every day.

589
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: You can't put a camera out and then stomped back

590
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: in three times a week to check it. I'll put

591
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: them up and in wait. At least the most. I

592
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: will check the cameras every two weeks. And there's there's

593
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: some properties that I won't even check them once a month.

594
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: Is that just during the hunting season or is that

595
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: during the summer or hunting season? How does that How

596
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: does your your intervals between checking change between those two

597
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: times a year. Well, during uh, this time in the year,

598
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm trying to get bucks in Velvet,

599
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: it's about every two weeks um. Then I will shift

600
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: those cameras basically from soydbean fields back into the woods.

601
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: About the time bucks are shed in Velvet, I'll check

602
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: those cameras and that's about the first September. And I'll

603
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: check cameras around the first October. I had to see,

604
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, how the bucks have shifted their range, what

605
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: what bucks might have moved on to the property, and

606
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: also which ones have moved off. Uh, and then uh,

607
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: A lot of those those cameras when I check them

608
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: in the first October, I don't check them again until

609
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, around the end of October one and November,

610
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: the bucks start and running looking for those things, mostly

611
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: at night. But most of the pictures of big bucks

612
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: are taking at night. So um. But what's really interesting

613
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: is that the information that I gather from these different bucks,

614
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: most of the time, it's not utilized to kill a

615
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: buck until at least a year down the road, if

616
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: not more. Yeah, that was something I was going to

617
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna be I was gonna ask you about. Um. So,

618
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: so I guess let's let's jump to that since we're

619
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Since we're on that right now, tell us about what

620
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: you I guess two things. Number one, what are you

621
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: learning from deer or from trail camera pictures right now

622
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: in the summer? So what are the main things the

623
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: goals you've had for your summer trailcra pictures? And then next,

624
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: what are your main goals than for the pictures you're

625
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: taking during hunting season? And you kind of alluded to

626
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: it there, but I'd like to hear more about both. Okay, well,

627
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: this time of the year. I'm basically looking for bucks

628
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: that that I was watching a year before, see which

629
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: one survived and what kind of growth they put on

630
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: from last year's rack. Basically trying to find that one

631
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: giant buck to go after for this season. And then

632
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: once I do, you know, then the trail cameras come

633
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: out in fource around you know, within a mile radius

634
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: of where he's at, where you know, finding But if

635
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: there's one thing that anyone picks up from this whole interview,

636
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: this is it, then I hope they really pay attention

637
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: a buck hasn't. We talked about patterning bucks, and I

638
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: think most people get the wrong idea. They think that, well,

639
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: I see this buck coming to this bean field, you know,

640
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: every evening and at three, at five o'clock or whatever,

641
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: and so that's the pattern that they're trying to or

642
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: that's what they think when they think of patterning a bush.

643
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: But the one pattern that is consistent that I've seen

644
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: over the years is a buck's annual pattern. If a

645
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: buck shows up on your property, say at you know,

646
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, say September, you can almost mark on

647
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: your calendar that same buck is going to show up

648
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: on your property in September every year that he's alive

649
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: and the buck I was, the six year old buck

650
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to you about earlier, that that that's

651
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: still alive here that may or may not go after.

652
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, he has just kind of reinforced that because

653
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: where I get his pictures in Velvet in the summer

654
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: is not where I get his pictures in November. But

655
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: I can go back to my files. I use Reconnix Cameras,

656
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: which has some great software where I love the better

657
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: photos by location where they came from and when I

658
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: when I see it buck, I can go back and

659
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: look at the previous year's photos from that very same location,

660
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you that buck's there, if he's if

661
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: he's an older deer, and you know, it kind of

662
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: hit me well. In two thousand three, I wrote an

663
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: article for North American Whitetail titled Same Time, Same Place,

664
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: And that's when I started hitting on the s and

665
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: it's just kind of reinforces itself. Every year, if I

666
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: see a mature buck or even a bucket I may

667
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: want to go after in the future during hunting season,

668
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I remember exactly that the time and the place because

669
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: he is going to be back at that same time,

670
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: same place next year. And like I said, if there's

671
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: one thing that you pick up from this whole interview,

672
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: this is it. If you see a mature buck in

673
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: in a certain place at a certain time, marking on

674
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: your calendar, because next year he's gonna be there, and

675
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: if you want to kill him, you be there first,

676
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: be waiting on him, have your stands ready, set um,

677
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: don't wait till till that time to move in and

678
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: make your move. Be set up ahead of time, knowing

679
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: that he's going to be there. This buck, the six

680
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: by six that I was just talking about, that the

681
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: six year old the last too, well actually since since

682
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: I've been watching him, but since he's been mature, is

683
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: a four year old and a five year old. The

684
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: last two seasons, he showed up in that draw behind

685
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: the barn um around the sixth of the seventh of

686
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: November each year, and I get his photos of up

687
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: and on from then until about and then he's gone.

688
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: He's only there during that period, and I know he's

689
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: only there because of them does that are there. But anyway,

690
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I know that if I'm going to kill that buck

691
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: on that property between the about the fifth to the November.

692
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: I need to spend as much time as I can

693
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: in that draw because he is going to be there,

694
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: and you just got to have faith in that pattern.

695
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: If there's ever a pattern that holds true with white

696
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: tail bucks, that's it. It's an annual pattern rather than

697
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, the pattern that comes to mind when we

698
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: talk about patterning bucks. So how tight do you think

699
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: that these bucks hold to that pattern? I mean, do

700
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: you ever look? Do you do you ever get a

701
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 1: daylight picture of a buck on the sixth and then

702
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, go back in the next year on the

703
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: sixth at the same time with an expectation that there's

704
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: a good chance he'll be there on that date. Or

705
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: is it more like, you know, within a couple of

706
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: weeks of this period, It's not a couple of weeks,

707
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: it's a couple of days. I may not get his

708
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: picture on the sixth, but I bet I get it

709
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: on the fifth of the seventh. And you know, the

710
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: older these bucks get, the more they stick to It's

711
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: like they've they've developed a year round routine. They spend

712
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: their summers at a certain location. When they disperse or move,

713
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: some of them don't actually don't disperse or move at all.

714
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: When they shave the developed they'll stay right there close.

715
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: They spend almost the entire year in a in a

716
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: small area. But those bucks that shift their range throughout

717
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: the season, they're making that same shift and they're on

718
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: what they're making it during the same week each year,

719
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: whether you know it be the last week August, first

720
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: week of September, maybe they wait till October to shift.

721
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Whenever it is, they're gonna follow that pattern. So you know,

722
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: if you've got old trail camera photos to go through

723
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: and there's a buck the here after that you think

724
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: still alive, just just look where he was that last

725
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: year and use those old trail camera photos too to

726
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: tell you where to be this year. Do you ever

727
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: look back on those on those trail camera pictures and

728
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: then do research on the weather pattern? So maybe there

729
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: was a consistent weather pattern for the past year, previous

730
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: years that was making this buck b at that location

731
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: at that time or like because recently on the podcast,

732
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about what dear, What is

733
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: making dear move like like wind direction, weather pressure, high

734
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: pressure systems, precipitation, and so on. Are you seeing anything

735
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: consistent there. You know, I've never really uh tried to

736
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: correlate the weather with the trail camera photos. But I

737
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: gotta say I listened to the podcast you guys did

738
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: with Mark drewy or recently, and that's one of the

739
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: best ones I've ever heard. That was just excellent, And

740
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: a couple of things he said that really caught my attention.

741
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: One was he talked about bucks moving on sunny days. Well,

742
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: I've always been told, you know, that the overcast days

743
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: are better hunting, But I noticed myself years ago those

744
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: sunny days seem to get the bucks on their feet.

745
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: Excuse me, but you know, Mark brought that up about

746
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: the sunny days. The big buck, the two fourteen buck

747
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: I shot. I saw that buck four times, three of

748
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: those times one bright sunny days. There was only one

749
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: day where it was overcast. I saw that buck. But

750
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: but whether it's the biggest pack or what biggest factor,

751
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, as far as buck movement, there's definitely a

752
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: lot to dig into. If you you know, you know,

753
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: it's easy to dig into those things. And one of

754
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: the things that me and Dan talked about is the

755
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: fact that there's so many fascinating correlations potentially between weather, moon, pressure,

756
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: et cetera, like we talked about with with Marjuri. At

757
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: the same time, it also can get a little overwhelming

758
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: if you try to look at all those things and

759
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: then you know, start over analyzing. It seems it's kind

760
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: of a fine line you have to walk between taking

761
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: those into a versus you know, just getting overwhelmed and

762
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, getting paralysis by analysis. I guess, Yeah. And

763
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: then another thing that I noted with Mark's interview was

764
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: that he said that, you know, at a certain point

765
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: in late late October, he starts hunting every day and

766
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: he does through November, so it really doesn't matter what

767
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: the weather pattern is, he's gonna be in the woods.

768
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: And I'm the same way. It's just that, you know,

769
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: for the guy that doesn't that can't go every day,

770
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: like we can try to pinpoint it down when your

771
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: best time to be there is. Yeah, And I think

772
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: also one of the things that I looked at too,

773
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: is you know when those when those ideal conditions are

774
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: maybe that's when you push into one of your better

775
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: stam locations versus one of your maybe slightly you know,

776
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: less optimal ones. Is one way I thought I could

777
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: use that, Yeah, definitely all right. Now, before we move

778
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: on to our next question for done, we need to

779
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: take one more brief break from the action for a

780
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor of this podcast up, so, the

781
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,399
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782
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: white Tail Institute food plot seas just over five years

783
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Speaker 1: ago when I first started planning food plots in What

784
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: really struck me as impressive about these guys was that

785
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: if I ever had a question, and I had many

786
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: about food plots, anything really at all, I could call

787
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Speaker 1: white Tail Institute up on the phone and instantly be

788
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: on the line with someone who could help me. And

789
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: that's actually still the case now. So recently I gave

790
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: white Tail Institute a call and got on the line

791
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: with the vice president of the company, Steve Scott, and

792
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: I asked him this, Steve, if you had just a

793
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: two acre patch of ground that you could plant a

794
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: food plot on, and you can only choose one single

795
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: food plot variety for the rest of your life to

796
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: plant there, what would it be? That's not fair? That's uh,

797
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: I would you know? I guess I'm I'm going I'm

798
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: going to all the round that I'm gonna cheat, I'm

799
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna tell you I'm only going to use one product,

800
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: but I'm actually going to use too and if if

801
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: it's only two acres, half of it would be Imperial

802
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: white tailed clover, which is, you know, no doubt the

803
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: gold standard for food blots. Uh. And the reason being

804
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: is it's extremely high protein, which is crucial for you know,

805
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: ancler development, you know, uh uh phone development, you know,

806
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: do lactation. But also the dear love it. So it's

807
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: great to hunt over. But I'm gonna do that in

808
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: one acre, and in the other acre, I'm gonna plant

809
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: one of our fallowing winter annuals uh, simply for variety

810
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: and also you know, you know, especially something like our

811
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: winter greens product because when you know, we don't have

812
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: a lot of snow down here, but when it gets really,

813
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: really really cold, you know that they're just hammer the

814
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: winter green. So I know I didn't answer your question fairly. Uh,

815
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: but but it's hard to say, you know, just just

816
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: one particular product. But uh uh you know, I think

817
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: most people that are you know, very familiar with it.

818
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: You know, the the Imperial white tail clover. Uh. If

819
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: a guy has good soul that holds moisture, Imperial white

820
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: took low. We can't be beat. Well, you did cheat,

821
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: but it was a good answer, so I'll let it slide. Steve.

822
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I started to split

823
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: the field up at about for different things, but I

824
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: thought I wouldn't go there. All right, Well, if you

825
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826
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828
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829
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about here, you know,

830
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: the goals for the cameras, the fact that during the

831
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: hunting season you're looking more so at patterns that can

832
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: be applied to the future year. Um. Taking a step back,

833
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: can we talk about placement a little bit of our cameras.

834
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: So during the summer you mentioned you're putting them on

835
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: bean fields, um or things like that. Can you elaborate

836
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more on you know, specifically what you

837
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: know how you're trying to find the right spot in

838
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: the summer and then once you go into the hunting season.

839
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned pushing into the woods, but can

840
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: you give us more detail you know, specifically how you're

841
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: picking these places, Why you're picking these places on the

842
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: bean fields. Basically, I've just I found the places where

843
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: the bucks like to spend the summers, and the cross

844
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: rotation will shift each year, but there there's usually a

845
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: specific location where bucks like this summer and when there's

846
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: a bean field, they're they're always gonna be hitting the

847
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: bean fields. Um generally, I just their experience. I figure

848
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: out which corner or where they're going to enter that

849
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: bean field at. And it's been trial and air more

850
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: than anything. I just because in Illinois, you know, we

851
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: can't bait or anything. You can't have minerals legs out.

852
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: So I try to catch those bucks where they're gonna

853
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: enter those bean fields. And through trial on air, I've

854
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: located some spots where I can I know where to

855
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: put just you know, get a picture of every bucket's

856
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: using that location as a season opens up. One of

857
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: my favorite tricks is, uh, I hang a piece of

858
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: rope from a tree, um like a one ent nylon rope,

859
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: and I'll go in. I'll do it in the summertime,

860
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: hanging from that tree, and then I'll spray with I'll

861
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: just take a little hand sprayer with some round up

862
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: in it, and I'll spread the vegetation under it. And

863
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: you know how bucks like to rub their face on

864
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: grape vines and things like that, Well they'll do the

865
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: same thing with a piece of rope. And uh, you

866
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: put a little bit of buckler on on that rope,

867
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: trail camera on it. You can get a picture of

868
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: every buckets in the area. And I'll actually send you

869
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: a couple. I'll email you a couple of those trail

870
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: camera pictures with the rope hanging there and the buck

871
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: rubbing their face on it for your website to add

872
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: with this podcast to show people what I'm talking about.

873
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: But you know, with Illinois and some of the regulations

874
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: we got where I live, well you've got to kind

875
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: of be invent of of ways to get pictures. You're

876
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: not allowed to bait at any time during the year,

877
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: not allowed to use salt or anything like that. So

878
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: I've turned the sense more than anything, uh, to get

879
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: those bucks in front of the camera. And then also

880
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: funnel areas. But a lot of times the funnel areas

881
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: are where I want my tree stand and I don't

882
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: want the trail cameras where my tree stand is gonna be. Yeah,

883
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: So do you do you believe then that those those cameras,

884
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: if you were to put a camera by your stand location,

885
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: you're worried about the risk of that camera spooking deer, right,

886
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: And it goes back to individual deer. Some deer they're

887
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna bother at all. They'll stay on there in front

888
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: of the camera and just look at it, and you know,

889
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: take three dozen pictures, and the other deer you get

890
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: one picture and you're never seeing him in front of

891
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: that camera again ever at that location. So the individual

892
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: deer are different. I just don't want to take a

893
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: chance on the one arm after being the bucket spooks

894
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: want to see seeing that camera one time? Yeah. Do

895
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: you do anything to try to minimize the potential spooking deer? Um?

896
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard some people talk about putting their

897
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: camera and a certain height or doing different things to

898
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: hide the camera. Do you do anything at all like that?

899
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: More than anything, what I do is I try to

900
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: time when I visit the camera at which was right

901
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: before rain if I see you know we're supposed to

902
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: it's supposed to rain tonight. Well, today I'm out checking

903
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: off my cameras hoping that it does rain and horses

904
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: on my sin away. I also tried to visit those

905
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: cameras in midday rather than you know, early morning, late

906
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: evening when the deer are going to be active. Um,

907
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: and I have from you know, especially at fence crossings

908
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: and things like that. I put them a little higher

909
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: in the tree, aiming downward. Uh, But you know, I'm

910
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: more interested in making sure I get the bucks picture.

911
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: And if I spook him, it's not gonna be a

912
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: location real close to a tree stand. So I don't

913
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get them to totally leave a property

914
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: because trail camera flashed in his face once, But he

915
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: might avoid that spot, that's for sure. Yeah. Do you

916
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: use Do you have a preference between flash cameras versus

917
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: infrared and how you think those deer affected or I

918
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: definitely liked the infrared. I just don't see the deer

919
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: spook in the way I used to. And you know,

920
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: in years past, I've used about every branded trail camera

921
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: out there, and the flash cameras definitely spooked more deer.

922
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: But again, some didn't mind at all, others did, But

923
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a higher percentage of them that did.

924
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: We had a guest on earlier this summer who talked

925
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: about the fact that he had seen the greatest amount

926
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: of deer being spooked by cameras being when a trail

927
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: camera was right on a scrape like the tree that

928
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: the deer is, you know, using the licking branch on.

929
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: Have you noticed anything like that that a lot of

930
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: the deer react differently when the cameras on scrape or

931
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: maybe in your case, you know that mock scrape set up?

932
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Uh not really actually, um. One thing I try to

933
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: avoid is is putting the camera too close to where

934
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: I expect that buck to be. You know, when I

935
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: hang that rope from the tree and put the sin on,

936
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: and I'll moving my camera back at least twenty Okay.

937
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: Is that your typical distance for all your truck camera setups? Yeah?

938
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Pretty much. Okay, now you're doing the rope essentially mock scrape.

939
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: Deal do you create you know, traditional mock scrapes with

940
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: a with a regular lioking branch and then just kick

941
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: opening an opening underneath it or anything that? Very seldom

942
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: if I do. One trick that I learned years ago

943
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: is I'll take a piece of like cotton cord. Yeah,

944
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: I'll take a piece, and I usually have a few

945
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: of them in my family pack or my backpack that

946
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: I cut about I say, eighteen inches long. I'll put

947
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: them in a I'll do everything I can to keep

948
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: human sin off of. Usually I'll hang them in a

949
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: tree outside somewhere for a couple of weeks, and then

950
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: when I go gather them, I'll wear rubber gloves and

951
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: I will put up in a ziplock bag, and then

952
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: I'll put some kind of deer scent. The one I

953
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: like is Smoky's, and I like something that the local

954
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: hunters can't just go to the supermartin and buy something

955
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: that they've got to order, you know. It's a little

956
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: a little more rare. I don't want the buck to

957
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: smell something on my rope that he smelled last week

958
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: and something some guy was hunting at, you know. But anyway,

959
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: I'll take that piece of cord that's been in that

960
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: ziplock bag with the buck scent, and I'll tie it

961
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: on the overhead branch and that that cotton rope or

962
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: or cord will hold that scent real well. And it

963
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: just seems to drive the bucks nuts. Yeah, it seems like,

964
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: at least from everything I've seen those scrape locations or

965
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: mock scrape locations are one of the best places during

966
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: the hunting season to get pictures of a lot of bucks,

967
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: at least when you're trying to get inventory during the season.

968
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: Is that same Have you seen the same thing? Absolutely? Uh,

969
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: the first or actually the last week October, first part

970
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: of November. On these ropes, I'll get a picture of

971
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: every buckets on the property, no doubt about it. Yeah,

972
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: they will visit at some point. So you said earlier

973
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: that you don't like to put your cameras by tree

974
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: stand locations. But what happens if you've got maybe one

975
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: of these mock scrapes set ups, and at the end

976
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: of October you get a bunch of daylight pictures of

977
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: a buck right by that camera. Will you ever move

978
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: a tree stand into that area because of those daily pictures? Well,

979
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: I've never ran into that situation. But I should back

980
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: up just a little bit because a lot of times

981
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: I'll use these same rope scrapes um to narrow down

982
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: a travel corridor by one of my stands. In other words,

983
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: if I've if the bucks are traveling through a hundred

984
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: yard wide area and I can only shoot their yards

985
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: in my bow. You know, I need to get all

986
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 1: that as much of that traffic as possible within thirty

987
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: yards of my tree stand, and I'll use them rope

988
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: scrapes to do that. I'll put a rope scrape yards

989
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: from my tree, and most of the bucks traveling that

990
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: wide corridor will slip over and and check that scrape

991
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: once they've that rope, once they've discovered this there. And occasionally,

992
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, I will put a camera there right in

993
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: front of the span, but most of the time I don't.

994
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: It's just it just depends on the individual property and

995
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: what options are available. If there's other other options, and

996
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: I definitely keep my away from the stands. Now, are

997
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: your Are your trill camera replacements permanent, so like you

998
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: put them up once the season starts and leave them there,

999
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: or are you continuously moving them? For for example, what

1000
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: I do is, okay, I see a big butt from

1001
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: a stand location, or I have them on trail camera

1002
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: at a particular trail, you know, a scrape, and then

1003
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: I move other trail cameras in the area to try

1004
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: to narrow down his travel pattern. Is that something you're doing?

1005
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: Where are you leaving your your trail cameras in the

1006
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: same spot for the most part, you know, I've got

1007
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: summer locations and then fall locations fall winter locations, and

1008
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: I make that shift sometime in September from one to

1009
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: the other. And then for the most part, once i've

1010
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: I've shifted them to their fall locations, I pretty much

1011
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: narrowed down on each property. I've been doing this for

1012
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: a while, so it's not like a new guy going

1013
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: out to do it. Uh So I pretty much narrowed

1014
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: down with that camera and needs to be uh from

1015
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: several years of experience on the property. And now I'll

1016
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: also have cameras, you know, at home ready to go.

1017
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: Where if I find a location where think I need

1018
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: to stick a camera, yeah, it doesn't matter if it's

1019
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of the the run or what if I

1020
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: run across some something that you know I want to see,

1021
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, say I find a series of big rubs

1022
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: or something and I want to see the buckets making them,

1023
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: and I'll grab a camera and slip in and and

1024
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: and put it in place. But for the most part,

1025
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: most of them are already are there, and then they

1026
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: stay there through the season. So have you have you

1027
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: ever had a situation where something you saw on a

1028
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: trail camera, lad to you killing the buck that year?

1029
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: Or has it always been things that end up being

1030
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: a year to take to actually take action on Most

1031
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: of the way, I use trail cameras more than anything

1032
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: as the inventory of the bucks that are on the property.

1033
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't really use them to for stand placement, but

1034
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: it kind of it helps me. It helps me to

1035
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: use my hunting time more wisely. You know, I'm spending

1036
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: it all in the area, whether there's a buck I

1037
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: want to shoot. I'm not spending out on an observation

1038
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: stand or on a property whether there's not something that

1039
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely know I want to shoot. So I'm not

1040
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: using the trail cameras to place my stand. Um, you know,

1041
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm using scouting and experience for that. I'm using the

1042
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: trail cameras to monitor the bucks that are on the property, gotcha.

1043
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: So it's more so try to understand, you know, when

1044
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: is this buck using this area or this property, and

1045
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: then once the trail cameras tell you that, you know,

1046
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 1: to focus there or if the year before you knew

1047
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: that buck, you know, Joe, the buck shows up the

1048
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: middle of November, you know, to be in that area

1049
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of November because of what the annual

1050
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: pattern is. That makes sense exactly. That's that's a nice

1051
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: summary that that that clicks for me. Um. I'm curious Dan,

1052
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: now that you're hearing this and you've heard you know,

1053
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: Mark Jurie has something similar to a are you going

1054
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: to be taking this into account with no show Jones,

1055
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: which is a buck that you mentioned that you had seen,

1056
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, last year he showed up at a certain

1057
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: time frame on camera. Are you gonna try to apply

1058
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: this this year and try to take advantage of the

1059
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: annual pattern? Right? Um? I really think I had I

1060
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: had already planned this because let's see, not this this

1061
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: past year, but the previous year we had an encounter

1062
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: with him and he started hitting some scrapes um on

1063
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: one particular part of the property. This year he was

1064
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: showing up again. Or this past year he was showing

1065
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: up again on that same piece. This year, I will

1066
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: have more trail cameras in that area to try to

1067
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: find because his particular scrapes and travel corridors were, to

1068
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: be honest with you, almost perfect. Where if I decided

1069
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: to place a tree stand in a specific pinch point

1070
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: on a certain wind, he was going to be coming

1071
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: through that way to where that wind would benefit him

1072
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: very very greatly. So what I'm gonna do this year?

1073
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: He used those trail cameras to go further back to

1074
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: where he might expose himself on a specific wind direction

1075
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: on that same type of travel pattern. If that makes sense,

1076
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: I got you. And then but but to answer your question, yes,

1077
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: I will be in a stand location in some of

1078
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: those specific dates. I'm excited to see how that goes. Now,

1079
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: while you're while you're mentioned that, Dan made me think

1080
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: of another question for you done. You know, when you're

1081
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: trying to understand if this deer is in the area

1082
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: at a given time, how many trail cameras do you

1083
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: need to really get an accurate idea that? Do you

1084
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: do like one camera per hundred acres or is it

1085
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, on that type of scale? How many cameras

1086
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: in a given area do we need to figure this out? Well?

1087
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: A lot of that depends on the property. A lot

1088
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: of the properties that hun are small properties where I

1089
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: might only have one or two tree stands on the

1090
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: entire property. Um I've had, you know, I don't know

1091
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: up to probably five or six acre property cameras and

1092
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: then I've had one on other properties the same size

1093
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: are bigger if you've got some good pinch points, if

1094
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: you've got ideal locations, you've got one of these ropes

1095
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: where the bucks that are hitting it, you can get

1096
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: every every buck picture on one of them ropes. I mean,

1097
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: I promise you once they start hitting it and find it.

1098
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: The thing of it is, you leave that rope up

1099
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: so it's their year after year after year, and those

1100
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: bucks will be hitting it every year coming into October

1101
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: one November and you won't have to work. Wonder if

1102
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: the buck hereafters is on the property that that rope

1103
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: is going to tell you. So do you have you

1104
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: seen that these ropes scrapes set ups? Do you think

1105
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: that actually works better than putting a camera on a

1106
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: real wild scrape? It works every bit as well. It

1107
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: probably does work better. I'm just a little bit hasn't

1108
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: to say that, but not much. I guarantee it works

1109
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: as well. Okay, But the thing about it is is

1110
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: they a lot of times the mock scrape works a

1111
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: whole lot better on a field edge or something like

1112
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: that than it does back in the cover. But these

1113
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: ropes work so much better back in the cover. Interesting,

1114
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: Any idea why that is? I have no idea off

1115
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: top of head of them thinking about that. Is it

1116
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: just because maybe it holds scent better the rope the fabric?

1117
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: Do you think or what I think that the bucks

1118
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: from the pictures I get they like to rub their

1119
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: face on that that rope. And you want the biggest

1120
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: rope you can find, I mean at least a one

1121
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,479
Speaker 1: inch rope. What I do is I take that rope

1122
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: and tie a knot on the top end and uh,

1123
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, attach that to the tree branch so it's

1124
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: hanging down, and then on the other end I will

1125
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: pray that so I hold the scent better. It makes

1126
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: sense and keeping about three feet off the ground works

1127
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: pretty well. And you're using You said that Smokey's preorbital lure,

1128
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? That's my favorite by far. I've

1129
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: heard good things about it. Yeah, But what I really

1130
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: like about it is that the local guy can't just

1131
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: go down to the store by it. So if the

1132
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: buck comes by and smells it on my rope, he's

1133
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: probably never smelled that before anywhere else. Right If I'm wrong,

1134
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: but I think that scent is supposed to mimic the

1135
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: the scent that comes out of the preorbital gland, which

1136
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: is one of those glands I think up near the

1137
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: forehead area on a deer. Right. Yeah, and well smoke

1138
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: he's actually got I don't know how many different kinds

1139
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: now he sends me some each year. But he also

1140
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: he eats these, testing new stuff all the time. I

1141
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: usually get a couple of bottles of test sent to

1142
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: tell you what. He'd be a good guy for your

1143
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: podcast too, because when it comes to sense in wildlife,

1144
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: he's an expert. But his man, I mean it, drawson man.

1145
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: You get them coming to that rope, and I'm telling

1146
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: you you will get a picture of every buck on

1147
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: the property. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm curious to try that now. Yeah,

1148
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: I'll send you some trail camera pictures and here by

1149
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: email on if you want to use them on your

1150
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: website or whatever. Feel free. Yeah, I'd like to see that.

1151
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: Um so, so damn, do you have any more questions

1152
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: for Don related to how he's using cameras during the

1153
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: hunting season or anything, because I've got another topic, but

1154
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of a little bit off topic. So before

1155
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: we move to that, anything else that you need to

1156
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: know on this one, No, because I actually the question

1157
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: that I have for him is off topic as well.

1158
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: Oh right, so get interesting. Yeah you really never know, Dan,

1159
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: it could be real weird. So but before we get

1160
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: to that, I'll let you close things out, Dan. Um.

1161
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago down we were emailing back and

1162
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: forth about you know, a different aspect of trail cameras,

1163
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: and that being you know, the different trends that you

1164
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: can see or uh, things that might be going on

1165
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: within a dear population that you might be able predict

1166
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: or see based on you know, what the camera pictures

1167
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: are telling you. Um, can you tell can you tell

1168
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: us a little bit about you know, how you've done

1169
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: that in the past, what things you've been able to

1170
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: learn through your trail cameras that that maybe relate to

1171
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: a larger population issue. Um, And then well, I guess

1172
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: tell us about that. And then I'm curious to see

1173
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: if there's anything you've been seeing recently. Okay, Yeah, in

1174
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: the past, I've noticed things like fawn recruitment. Uh. I

1175
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand twelve year the h D

1176
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: hit that summer. Even before h D hit through the

1177
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: Midwest here real hard. I was seeing lots of mature

1178
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: does that never had fawns with them. I was seeing

1179
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: groups of mature doughes, four or five dolls at a time,

1180
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: coming out to feed in fields and there not be

1181
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: a fawn with them. And I'm talking late in the

1182
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: summer when the fawns should have been following them. And

1183
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was making the comments of friends, you

1184
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: know that the fawns are not there, We're gonna have

1185
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: a very poor fawn recruit And I wasn't seeing anything

1186
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: on on the website and magazines or anything like that

1187
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: at that time. And then you know, eventually I started

1188
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: seeing a little bit about it. I was also seen, uh,

1189
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: there was one property in particular where I was seeing

1190
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: a lot of coyotes. The predator population was was really high,

1191
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that was and it was

1192
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: at the same time that the fawn recruitment was so low.

1193
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know if the to are related or

1194
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: what it was, but those are the kind of trends,

1195
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: you know that having lots of trail cameras over a

1196
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: wide geographic area rather than just don't want or two properties,

1197
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: you can note things like that, and do you sorry,

1198
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, Well, I was just gonna move on to

1199
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: the second part of your question, so real quick before

1200
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: you do that. Then, Um, since you've seen these types

1201
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: of trends show up in your pictures in past years,

1202
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,479
Speaker 1: when you're looking through your pictures every time you pull card,

1203
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: are you actively paying attention to every dough fa on

1204
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: every dear because you're trying to look for these types

1205
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: of trends? Um, Because I, you know, in all honesty

1206
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: and maybe I shouldn't do this, but I get pretty

1207
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: distracted just you know, flipping through these pictures as quickly

1208
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: as I can just to try to see a shooter buck.

1209
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: And I probably miss out on some of these trends

1210
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: because I'm not paying enough attention to everything. Do you

1211
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: actively look for that? You know? At first I didn't.

1212
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: I was just like you. I was looking for the

1213
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: next shooter buck. I didn't the faun picture. I was

1214
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: just flipping through it to get to the next buck picture.

1215
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: And but then once you know that was probably that

1216
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: fall and recruitment back in two thousand and twelve and

1217
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: the high predator population at the same time, it was

1218
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: so obvious that you know, I didn't have to look

1219
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: that hard. To see it. I mean in the summertime,

1220
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: you just don't see five does come out into a

1221
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: field of feed and there ain't a faun with them,

1222
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: but they're hanging together and you're seeing their pictures as

1223
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: a group day after day after day. Uh. You know,

1224
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: the does typically go off alone to have their fond

1225
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: and it's some time before they grew up again, usually

1226
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: later in the fall. So that one kind of jumped

1227
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: out at me. But after that point then I started

1228
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: looking for things and you know the one that I've

1229
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: seen here recently. And I'll make a bold prediction here

1230
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: and I may look look bad down the road and

1231
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: have egg on my face or whatever. But one thing

1232
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: that really hit me last fall in November was the

1233
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: weather pattern. And Terry or Mark Durry, you know, hit

1234
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: on that whenever he was talking to you as well.

1235
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: But the weather last November was the best as far

1236
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: as hunting conditions that I've ever seen in my life.

1237
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: And like I said, I started deering in the nineteen

1238
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: seventies and I've never seen a November where you know,

1239
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: in central Illinois where I'm at, it hardly ever snows

1240
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: in November. Maybe towards Thanksgiving you might get a dusting,

1241
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: but there was about three or four times, but we

1242
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: had snow on the ground in November and it just

1243
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: stayed cold. And you know, as I opened my Facebook

1244
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: pay every day, I mean, there was just buck after

1245
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: the buck after bucket. Guys were killing right and left,

1246
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: and uh one thing that happened with the bucks that

1247
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: I was taking inventory or you know, we're on my

1248
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: list that I was keeping track of bucks up and comers.

1249
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 1: You know that weren't quite old enough for big enough

1250
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: that I wanted to shoot. Yet a lot more of

1251
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: them got killed last year than any time that I've

1252
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: since I've been running trail cameras, and I thought, quarterback

1253
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: in New High November, this is not good. You know,

1254
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: we just had a couple of bad years of e

1255
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: h D in two thousand, twelve and thirteen, and the

1256
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: herd is starting to rebuild just a hair and then

1257
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: the two thousand and fourteen we have this perfect weather

1258
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: and where the bucks just get slaughtered right and left.

1259
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: And so going into this summer, I thought, I'm going

1260
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: to keep a real close eye on what I'm seeing

1261
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: as far as the bucks on my trail cameras because

1262
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: I was expecting not to see the numbers of bucks

1263
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: that I had in the past summers, and that's exactly

1264
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: what I've seen. I think that the weather was still

1265
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: perfect last fall, that we killed a lot of bucks

1266
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: that normally would have lived. Uh typically in November, you know,

1267
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: you have warm periods and you will get cold for

1268
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: two or three days, you have some good hunting and

1269
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: a warm back up, and I just didn't happen, and

1270
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: those bucks just continued to fall, and we shot bucks

1271
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: that normally would have made it to this year. And

1272
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that on my trail camera pictures, and my

1273
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: prediction is that the buck harvest and a lot of

1274
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: Midwestern states is gonna be down now. I am seeing

1275
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of young bucks a year and

1276
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: a half olds, and I'm seeing several of the older

1277
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: bucks that it's almost like the two and three year

1278
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: olds are are missing age groups. There's just not near

1279
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: as many of them. And I think those were the

1280
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: bucks that were probably the most vulnerable last fall when

1281
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: they were a year younger, and a lot of those

1282
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: got killed. So there's gonna be some great bucks killed

1283
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: this fall, There's no doubt about it. I've got trail

1284
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: camera pictures of probably as many old older age class blocks,

1285
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, four and a half and older as I've

1286
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: ever had, but there and plenty of year lanes as well,

1287
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: But it's those two and three and some four year

1288
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: olds had just done quite there as they have been

1289
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: in past years. And I attributed it to last November's weather.

1290
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 1: Is it makes it makes a lot of logical sense.

1291
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: I never thought about that, but you're so right that

1292
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: there probably were a lot more bucks taken than usual,

1293
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: especially like you said, there's two and three year olds

1294
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: that will really get moving on those cold days because

1295
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: that weather was so ideal, Dan, Dan, have you seen

1296
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: when when you when you hear this, if you noticed

1297
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: anything in your cameras that kind of coincides with what

1298
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: he said? Yeah, I'll tell you what. It's funny to

1299
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: say that, because was it two years ago? All I

1300
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: was two or three years ago, I was seeing a

1301
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: gap like not a lot of three year olds, but

1302
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: I was seeing an upper age class in a lower

1303
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: a lower age class, not right in the middle. Yep.

1304
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: And and then this year you know, now later on

1305
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: the line, I am hardly getting any pictures of that.

1306
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: Those are one I'm getting some, but not as much

1307
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: as I used to have those one twenties, those you know,

1308
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: those those two and those two year olds. I want

1309
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: to say, tons of spikes, but no two year olds

1310
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: for some reason. Hmm yea. And the interesting or the

1311
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: I guess, and it's not really interesting. It's kind of unfortunate,

1312
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: is that the deer herds in the Midwest were really

1313
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: hammered with the h D in in two thousand, twelve

1314
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: and thirteen, and then two thousand and fourteen we didn't

1315
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: have it as bad, and they were herds were starting

1316
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: to recover just a little at least in the areas

1317
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: that I hunt, and then the perfect weather comes along

1318
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: and it allows hunters to drop them right and left,

1319
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: and I think it it drove harvest figures up just

1320
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: a little bit more. In it it may the herd

1321
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: looked just a little bit better for the state biologists

1322
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: than it really was because the weather was so non typical,

1323
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: if you will, during the peak of the rut. Yeah.

1324
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: I hope that we don't see a big drop again.

1325
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: That was, you know, overinflated because of the significant harvest

1326
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: we had last year due to weather. Um. That is

1327
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: a scary thing to think about now that you mention it.

1328
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: I hope it's not the case, but you you make

1329
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. The good thing, if there is

1330
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: a good thing about it, is that I have seen

1331
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: as many mature bucks or got pictures of as many

1332
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: mature bucks this summers I probably ever have. It's just

1333
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: the middle aged bucks are the ones that are hurting,

1334
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: which is gonna affect us a couple of years down

1335
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: the road. Yeah. Well, one of the things I always thought,

1336
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, after the big h D outbreak of two

1337
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: thousand twelve and then thirteen a little bit more, my

1338
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: assumption was that you know, we lost significant portions of

1339
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: the year her during this time periods. The deer population

1340
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: went way down, But for the bucks that did survive,

1341
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: with the fact there's so much less competition for food,

1342
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: my assumption was that you get a lot of deer

1343
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: really reaching their potential because there was no lack of

1344
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: nutrition for them. They weren't competing with tons and tons

1345
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: of the other deer. I figured in those couple of

1346
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: years after twelve thirteen, you know, I figured fourteen and fifteen,

1347
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: you'd start seeing some of these bucks that got to

1348
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: take advantage of that extra food in some places that

1349
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: maybe in past years they wouldn't have. I don't know

1350
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: now if this is gonna you know, if there wasn't

1351
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: any truth to that, I wonder if this might you know,

1352
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: negate that anyways. Yeah, and there's also the social aspect there,

1353
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: uh as a social animal. But my experience with captive deer,

1354
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, you start crowding them into a pan or

1355
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: even wild once you get too many in the in

1356
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: a for the habitat, and it's stressful of them and

1357
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: they're just not near as productive in terms of antler

1358
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 1: growth and PAM production as when their numbers are damned.

1359
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: So I mean this summer, I've seen lots of fonds

1360
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: and lots of twins, even some triplets, and it's almost

1361
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: like mother nature knows that, you know, the habitat can

1362
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: withstand it. Let's craig at the production on these animals,

1363
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: and and that's what happens. Yeah, nature has a way. Yeah,

1364
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: I I think that what you just mentioned is exactly

1365
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: what's happening on one of my main farms I hunt

1366
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: in Michigan, where where the dope population has just gotten

1367
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: out of control. I've tried, but I've not done enough

1368
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: to to control that dope population I don't think my

1369
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: neighbors are at all. And um, you know, for a

1370
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: few years, I was seeing more mature bucks every year,

1371
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: and then the last two years it's just it's gone

1372
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: way downhill. There's no old deer, um, you know, one

1373
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: or two three year olds. Maybe it's just it just

1374
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: seems like, as far as I can tell, unless there's

1375
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: a new hunters around here that are shooting everything in

1376
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: the world. Um, my best guess is that this dope

1377
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: population has just gotten way too dense to the point

1378
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: where it is we're crowding those bucks and you know,

1379
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: making them stressed, not as much food available, and they're

1380
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: moving to places where they've got a little more breathing room.

1381
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: I think social stress on bucks is real. I don't

1382
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 1: know how much an effect it has on antler growth

1383
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: and things, but social stress is is definitely real. Yeah,

1384
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: I got my work cut out for me this year

1385
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: filling some dough tex, that's for sure. So Dan, any

1386
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: other questions for Don on that topic or whatever off

1387
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: the wall thing you might have in your head. It's

1388
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: not too off the wall, but my my question is,

1389
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: and it's completely out of nowhere. You mentioned a little

1390
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: bit about you know, wearing rubber gloves when you do

1391
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: that rope thing. And I'm just curious on what your

1392
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: scent control regiment is for actually hunting while you're in

1393
01:14:55,640 --> 01:15:02,839
Speaker 1: the tree stand. It's probably, uh, my scent control regiment

1394
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: is probably the least of anyone you've ever talked to.

1395
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: I used the wind. I mean, don't get me wrong.

1396
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 1: I try to keep my clothes clean. Put him in

1397
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: a tub. I put them on when I get to

1398
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: my hunting area and all that. I don't spray down

1399
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: with sprays. I don't wear the similimination clothing. The wind

1400
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: is the key. And the last time we spoke back

1401
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: in December, you know, I talked about this thing too.

1402
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: Buck he wants to move when he's only gonna move him.

1403
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: But your buck is only gonna move when he thinks

1404
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: he's safe. Um, And that's when the wind conditions are

1405
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: in his favor. The direction from where he's at where

1406
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: he wants to go, there's a wind direction that we're

1407
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: allowing him to do that safely, and that's when he's

1408
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I've just learned to play the wind,

1409
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: and the wind is my scent control. So this is

1410
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: the topic that has been increasingly fascinating to me, and

1411
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a big part of the jump for

1412
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: people when they start going from just you know, trying

1413
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: to shoot any of your to trying to shoot a

1414
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: mature buck. Is understanding the fact that mature bucks want

1415
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: to move with the wind in their favor in some way,

1416
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: but specifically, can you explain to us, you know, what

1417
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: you've found to be the case given your experience when

1418
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: it comes to how a buck wants to enter a

1419
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: feeding area and then how buck wants to enter a

1420
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: betting area. How does he like the wind in both

1421
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: of those two situations. Typically from what you've seen, well

1422
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: in the morning, when a buck's coming back to bed,

1423
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: they love to to uh enter the betting area with

1424
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: a cross wind, and what they'll do is they'll walk

1425
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: the down the wind edge of the of the betting area.

1426
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: What's even more ideal than a cross wind is a

1427
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: quartering wind where the winds quartering out of the betting

1428
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: area into his nose. And so what they mature buck

1429
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: does a lot of times is he'll walk that down

1430
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: wind the edge with the wind quartering into his was

1431
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: out of out of the cover where he's gonna bed.

1432
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: He walked almost the entire edge of that cover, and

1433
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,560
Speaker 1: then he will jay hook right back into it. And

1434
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: when he jay hooks back into it, a lot of

1435
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: times a guy, if a hunter sees him, didn't realize

1436
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 1: what's happened once he's made that turn, and that wind's

1437
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: not quartering into his nose, it's quartering into his butt

1438
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: and it's almost like he's got a tail wind coming in.

1439
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: But what everybody seems to miss is that before that

1440
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 1: buck ever entered with a tail wind, he had already

1441
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: sent check it with the perfect wind conditions for him

1442
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: to do so. And that's how they like to bed

1443
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: And there is no better stand site in early November

1444
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: before the ruts really going for the dozeer and heat.

1445
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: When those bucks are in the seeking phase, you get

1446
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: on the dead down wind edge of bedding cover and

1447
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: those bucks will run that all day long because they

1448
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: can run that edge and they can send check any

1449
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: hot does that are in there at the same time

1450
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: they can send check for cover. So that's how they

1451
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: like to do it. When they're coming back to bed

1452
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: and in the even things, you know, if he's headed

1453
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: towards that that feeding area, he wants that that wind

1454
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 1: at least quartering into his nose, so as he's going

1455
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: from feeding to betting, and that wind's quartering into his nose.

1456
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: If you're on the right side of the trail, then

1457
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: then your sense is going to be blown off to

1458
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: the side of him instead of at him. If you're

1459
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the trail, and then he's

1460
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: gonna pick you off. Yeah, yeah, it does. I have

1461
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: to I have to. I have to draw this down

1462
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: anything on a piece of paper to make sure I'm

1463
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: getting it all right, mad, But it does make sense.

1464
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: And what about when they actually bed? From what I've

1465
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: always understood, when they actually get in their bed, they

1466
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: typically like to be able to watch in front of

1467
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: them and then have the wind come over their back

1468
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,919
Speaker 1: so they can smell what's behind them. Is that consistent

1469
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,440
Speaker 1: with what you've what you believe or what you've seen, Yeah, definitely, okay.

1470
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is when the buck comes

1471
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: into bed. You know, you you might have say, twenty

1472
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: acres of betting cover, but I believe that an individual

1473
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: buck has a specific location within that twenty acres that

1474
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: he wants to bed when the winds in a certain directions,

1475
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: and he might have a totally different location to bed

1476
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: if the winds in a different direction. Yeah, so does that?

1477
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: Is that a big factor? Then when you're choosing where

1478
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: to hunt on a given day or a given evening

1479
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, are you thinking, Okay, based on this wind direction,

1480
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: where will this buck most likely want to be? Is

1481
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: that something you try to figure out before the season starts. Yeah,

1482
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: and and more, let's based on past year's experience. But

1483
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: when I go on to stand first of all, the

1484
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: stand I picked for a specific hunt is all based

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01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: on the wind direction. But I'm expecting a buck to

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Speaker 1: do an exact thing. I'm expecting to be better than

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Speaker 1: an exact location, And I'm expecting him to get up

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01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: and head to a specific feeding area. And then I

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01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: give him a wind that he that will allow him

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Speaker 1: to do so and feel comfortable doing so. But yet

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Speaker 1: it's set in such a way that he can't smell me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know one phrase I've used as the winds

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01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: almost wrong for me and almost right for the buck. Yeah.

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: I just love this, like this like cat and mouse,

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01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: little chest match of just trying to get these just

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Speaker 1: in the right place based on you know, you're expecting

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Speaker 1: a buck to be in a certain place, to go

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01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: to a certain place in a certain way, and thinking

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Speaker 1: through all these pieces and trying to get yourself in

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Speaker 1: just the perfect location. Like that challenge right there is

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: what gets me so excited talking about this stuff. And

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01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: once it falls into place for you and you see

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01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: it happening, and just each each successive buck becomes easier.

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01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: And I think that most hunters, the wind is what

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: keeps most hunters from consistently killing big deer. I think

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: stand placement, most guys have that figured out. But once

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01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: they've got their stand in place, then you need to

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01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: wait for the right wind conditions to hunt. And I

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01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: think most guys go in that they've hung their stand

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01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 1: in the right location, but then they come back before

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01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: the wind is right. They just come back whenever it's

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01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: convenient for them. You know that I don't have to

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: work Saturday, so Saturday morning, I'm gonna go hunt the stand.

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01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: And they have no idea what the wind is going

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01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: to be Saturday morning. Most of the time, they don't

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01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: even have any idea what the wind direction is once

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01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: they're sitting there, And you know, they think that the

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01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: guys that are consistently killing mature bucks just know where

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01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 1: to put their tree stands. But I think the average

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01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: hunter really knows where to put his tree stands. I

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: think it's these little tidbits like the wind. If they

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01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: could just master the wind, then they'd be killing big

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01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: deer consistently. And I don't know that really we we

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: ever mastered I don't. I know, I haven't. I still,

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01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, every season I'm picking up you know new

1526
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: things about the wind, especially as you have new properties.

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01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: You gotta realize what the wind is doing from a

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01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 1: particular stand. You may think that it's going out of

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01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: the south and you get to your stand and it's

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01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: actually boring out of the north from from that exact

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01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: location as it swirls around, or or you know, something

1532
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: like that. Almost get the working, but you always you've

1533
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: gotta master where you're since going while you're in a stand,

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01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: and how that's going to affect the buck that you

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01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: expect to pass by. Yeah, yeah, it's um. It's not

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01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 1: something that you know you can just guess and it

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01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: will always be right. You really do. To your point,

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01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: you have to check it when you're in your stand

1539
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: and pay attention to that and and consistently try to

1540
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: learn from this every time you go out and hunt,

1541
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: because it's it's not like you said something you can

1542
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: just easily master. It's a continual learning process. But once

1543
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: you get the basics figured out, and especially once you

1544
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: get that first mature buck to walk by doing what

1545
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: you thought he would do and what you're expecting to do,

1546
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: once you see it, and then it just then it

1547
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: starts to click, and then the next buck is a

1548
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: little bit easier, and before long, you know, every buck

1549
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: you kill, you've killed him on purpose because he did

1550
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: exactly what he was expecting him to do. Yeah, it's

1551
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 1: pretty cool and it starts falling into place, that's for sure. Yeah. Well, uh,

1552
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: we as much as I would like to keep on

1553
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of picking your brain about these things, because I'm

1554
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm pretty geeked right now. I'm enjoying this. Um, we

1555
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: are coming up on time and we've got to close

1556
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: things up. But done. If people want to learn more

1557
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: from you, you know, check out your books or any

1558
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: of the other things you're doing. Where can they go

1559
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: online to find that stuff? Well, my website is Higgins

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01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: Outdoors dot com. It's h I G. G I M

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01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: S outdoors dot com And I got a couple of

1562
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: books out do some consulting work and things like that,

1563
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: So I'd be glad to answer anyone's emails or or

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01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: what have you. Awesome, Well, we will include a link

1565
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: to your website on this podcast blog posts, so if

1566
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: anyone listening, if you want to do that, which I

1567
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: highly recommend, I really recommend his books and really all

1568
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: the resources of the dons putting out there in his

1569
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: magazine articles. I mean, as you can tell after listening

1570
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: to him here for the last hour, it's top not

1571
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: She's got a lot to share, so definitely check that

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: out and U done. Good luck this season, and thank

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01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Well, I appreciate the opportunity,

1574
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: Mark and Dan, and if you could ever use me again,

1575
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: don't hesitate to get a hold on me, whether it's

1576
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: a quote for a magazine or another podcast whatever, I'd

1577
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: be glad to help you out. Absolutely well. Careful what

1578
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: you offer because I will most likely take you up

1579
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: on it. Well, that sounds great. Hope you guys both

1580
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: have a good season, all right, thanks a lout Don. Alright,

1581
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: so there you have it. Another podcast episode in the

1582
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: books and I thought this was super interesting. I love

1583
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: Don's thoughts on the wind and the different trends you

1584
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: can learn from trail cameras and some cool tricks there

1585
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: and should think like using the rope for for scrapes

1586
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I think we can all learn things or

1587
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: two here from Don. So. I hope you enjoyed the episode.

1588
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: I hope you found some things you can apply to

1589
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: the season that's upcoming, and that's coming pretty fast here,

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01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: So enjoy the coming weeks, get out there, do your

1591
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: work in the meantime. If you haven't yet, we would

1592
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: love it, love it, love it. If you could take

1593
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: a quick second to leave a rating or review on iTunes,

1594
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,320
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1595
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: also think that's a great idea and um, you know,

1596
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Speaker 1: otherwise I think we just need to shut it down here.

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Speaker 1: of North America. And of course, and most importantly, thank

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Speaker 1: you all for joining us today. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your feedback, and we appreciate the fact that

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01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: you take a little time out of your day to

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Speaker 1: hang out with us, to talk dear, to learn a

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Speaker 1: few new things, so I have a great week and

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Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt.