1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week are Beyond Contact. 12 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: We'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: the newest cases. 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 4: As we talk with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact, 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: I Captain Ron, and today I have the pleasure of 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 4: speaking with filmmaker Dean Alioto. Dean is an award winning 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: director and writer who is credited with the creation of 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: the found footage genre with his cult hit The McPherson 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 4: Tape and also the highly credited Paramount TV movie alien 21 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: abduction incident in Lake County. We are absolutely thrilled to 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: have Dean joining us and presenting the world premiere of 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: part two of his docuseries The Alien Perspective, a new 24 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 4: viewpoint on the UFO and alien phenomenon at this year's 25 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: contact in the Desert. It's going to be very exciting 26 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: today we're going to be discussing with Dean part one 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: of that series. This should prove to be a very 28 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: thought provoking discussion, as his film certainly is. Hey Dean, 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: so great to see you man, and congrats on the documentary. 30 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: I think it's fantastic. 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: Ron Thank you so much. I really really appreciate it, 32 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 5: and I'm excited to be on your show here. 33 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: I got to say, I really did like the film. 34 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: I think it's a thinking man's documentary on this topic. 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: Unlike most of the films in this genre, it really 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: does provoke you to think outside the box, and it 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: leaves the human hubris aside for a moment, and it 38 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: allows you to truly contemplate some of these ideas from 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: a rational headspace. I think you even called it a 40 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: science documentary, not a UFO documentary. 41 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 5: Why is that what we're dealing with here is technology, right, 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 5: the crafts themselves, and even with the experiencers abductees, they're 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 5: dealing with some technology. And so for me, I felt 44 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 5: like this in its best shape is going to be 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 5: a science documentary. We're going to be looking at the 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 5: science and then reverse engineering backing into the phenomenon. And 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 5: so I wanted to do that in Ructure and Everything, 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 5: because that's what my background was documentaries for Bravo A 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 5: and E Discovery, and so I felt like I really 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: wanted to present this in a way where not just 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 5: us in the UFO community, but those who are by 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 5: UFO curious could come and take a look at this 53 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 5: and everything. But again to deal with empirical evidence. So 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 5: if I'm showing you things, I'm never going to say 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: unless I can prove it this is one hundred percent, 56 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 5: I'm going to say, let's take a look at this, 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 5: let's kick the tires. 58 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: You know. This first alien perspective section part one does 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: look at the phenomenon from possible alien viewpoints, but it 60 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: also takes so many other perspectives and angles as well, 61 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 4: which was very insightful to me. You brought in so 62 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: many incredible, well respected people that are credentialed to give 63 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: their various perspectives on different aspects of this topic. You know, 64 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: it's a bit atypical for this genre to look at 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: it from so many different directions. Was that the goal 66 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: when you started? 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, for the longest time I had gone to 68 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 5: because then me back up a little bit, because I 69 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 5: had done these UFO found footage films years ago, and 70 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 5: they all of a sudden came back in vogue. I 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 5: like to say they had finally ripened because it was 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 5: dealing with abductions, not just found footage. And there's a 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 5: whole other subsect of a cult audience that I have 74 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 5: for that in the horror found footage. But my heart 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 5: lies with fellow Eupolians. You know. When I'd gone, I'd 76 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 5: been invited to go to where the original film was 77 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 5: shown without credits in the nineties and was believed to 78 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 5: be real because it's a found footage thing that had 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 5: no credits. I was invited to come back, and so 80 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 5: I got really introduced to the UFO community up up 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: close and personal, and I kept meeting so many amazing 82 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 5: minds that were looking at this from different perspectives, and 83 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 5: I couldn't decide which one one would I do, because 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: there's these facets here that that feel like they're just 85 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 5: as potent as the other one. And then what you 86 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 5: do sometimes is like when I'm making a film, because 87 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 5: I make traditional independent films, I've been Westerns and horror, 88 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: sci fi, et cetera, is you want to sometimes in 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 5: order to distance yourself from that, you will literally look 90 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 5: at what everyone is doing and you'll go, you run 91 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 5: the opposite way. And that's what I decided to do 92 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 5: with this, Where every single other documentary is looking at 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: this phenomenon from the human's perspective, which makes sense. I 94 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 5: wanted to see, as a hypothetical, what would that look 95 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 5: like if we did it like on the many crime 96 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 5: shows that I worked on, and we looked at it 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 5: from the perpetrator's point of view, And so that got 98 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 5: folded into it. And once I had that and had 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 5: the title in my brain, which was the alien perspective, 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 5: that was it. And then it became that was our 101 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 5: gateway drug into all these other theories looking at this 102 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 5: and then considering that, and you know, we had talked 103 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 5: before about doctor Nick Bostrom out of Oxford, who created 104 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 5: the simulated reality hypothesis that we're living in that, and 105 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 5: so I don't necessarily want to go to someone who 106 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 5: knows of this. I want to go to the actual 107 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 5: person and get him. 108 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: And it's natural to look at these things. We look 109 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 4: at everything from a human perspective, of course. You know, 110 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: even when we try to look at things from an 111 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: alien perspective, we still are assigning human characteristics to that perspective. 112 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: You know, not only human characteristics, but human beliefs and motivations, 113 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: as well as where we are in our technological development 114 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: and our current understanding of how the world works. You 115 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: can imagine ten thousand years ago people believing that they 116 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: angered the gods because the volcano went off, you know, 117 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: And it's the same sort of thing in today's world. 118 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: We look at these issues through the lenses of our time, 119 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: don't you think. 120 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely we are on a weird precipice man, 121 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: and I kind of I guess I do believe that 122 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: we decide when we come and that is its own 123 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 5: freak out in the brain, like, wow, we really decided 124 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 5: to come here when this is Yeah, because AI and 125 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 5: everything is radically going to change everything. And then you know, 126 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 5: the big question is are we mature enough to deal 127 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 5: with the evolution that is coming hard and fast. That 128 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 5: isn't a physical evolution, but it is not really particularly 129 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 5: a mental one. It is a technical one. Where we're 130 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: seated right now is kind of I mean, amazing and 131 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 5: crazy stuff is going to happen. That's not debatable. So 132 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 5: you know, the best advice I heard was, you know, 133 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 5: buckle up and grab the popcorn. 134 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: Right, That's about right, man. You know, you can imagine 135 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: how our beliefs may change in just one hundred years 136 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: from now, as AI continues to advance exponentially, We're going 137 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: to be uploading ourselves to computers. You can imagine, you know, 138 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: some form of immortality that it's already being a ten. 139 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: Did you know? We can have an entirely new way 140 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: of thinking with regard to our lives and how we 141 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: interconnect with aliens or other forms of non human intelligences. 142 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: We even think of human reasons for why they may 143 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: be coming here, like to invade us, or to take 144 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 4: our resources, or scientific curiosity. But all of those are 145 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: indeed human motivations as well, you know, And that's what 146 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: we would choose why we might go out into the universe. 147 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: But it very well may be something completely different altogether 148 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: that we can't even fathom with our little human brain. Right. 149 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 5: Well, that's it one hundred percent. When I started out, 150 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 5: I had some ideas and I had some notions, and 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 5: I thought, well, I'm going to get those confirmed. You know, 152 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 5: I had the hubrisk that doctor John Mack had, you know, 153 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 5: where although I'm going to figure out this morose season, 154 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 5: I might even call it the John Mack syndrome, and 155 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 5: then you get into it and you go, oh, okay, 156 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 5: well that's it didn't work. Let me try applying this 157 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 5: now that doesn't work. And then it would move and 158 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 5: and wouldn't hold still, and so it becomes a moving target, 159 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 5: which is what the phenomenon is. And so it's kind 160 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 5: of you know, it's kind of like the Beatles. You know, 161 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 5: which flavor do you want of of UFO theory? You know, 162 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 5: do you want the Paul McCartney, the Lennon, the Ringo, 163 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 5: the George and all them? Maybe might be right? All 164 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 5: them that might be And so you know, depending on 165 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 5: the mood or the information that we get on the daily, 166 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 5: you know, that can change. One of the things that 167 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed was was Mike Masters interviewing him and 168 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 5: talking about this, and I kind of heard that before. 169 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: You know that they could be us from the future. 170 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 5: And so the only the only uh, you know, benchmarks 171 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 5: that we have, the only signposts that we have is 172 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 5: again as you were saying, from the alien's perspective, is 173 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 5: we have to project out what we would do. And 174 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 5: the fact of the matter is we are going to 175 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 5: be start trekking this universe. We are going to get there, 176 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 5: and time travel is going to happen. Einstein said, yes, 177 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 5: he allowed for that, and there was also spooky physics 178 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 5: and stuff. We are going to do that, and so 179 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 5: what would we do. We would come back. But if 180 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 5: it's not us from the future, we are going to 181 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 5: be going to other dimensions as well. And again what 182 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 5: we have to look at is in one hand, we 183 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 5: have to hold we are going to be able to 184 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 5: do that. Technology wise, we will figure that out and 185 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 5: it'll be a whole new physics, and it might even 186 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 5: be something beyond, like a whole new category we don't 187 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 5: even call physics anymore. And so we are going to 188 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 5: get there. But what are we going to be like 189 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 5: in the brain when we do get there? What is 190 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 5: going to be important to us. It isn't going to 191 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 5: be Netflix, It isn't going to be you know, our 192 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: new car or whatever. It's going to be something much 193 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 5: more profound. 194 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 4: We beyond probably we can even conceive right now at 195 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: this point. When we come back, we're going to talk 196 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: to Dean Moore about an even deeper look at these 197 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: things from the alien personspective. Of course, you're listening to 198 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 199 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. We're 200 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 4: speaking with Dean Aliato and we are talking about the 201 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 4: alien perspective. You know, there's this great quote that we 202 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: know in this community from Jacques Vala that you put 203 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: into your film, where he says, I'm going to be 204 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 4: very disappointed if UFOs turn out to be nothing more 205 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: than visitors from another planet. I don't like the word 206 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 4: disappointed in there. I mean, I like, maybe shocked or surprised, 207 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: but you know, as we realize how intricate and you know, 208 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: this intelligent might in fact be. But I don't like 209 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: disappointed because I think that would still be pretty cool 210 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: if that's what it was. You know, clearly he's speaking 211 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 4: to the complexities of the phenomenon, and I do agree 212 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 4: that there must be at least there's more likely that 213 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: it's going to be much more complex than simply beings 214 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: from another race who built a ship and flew here. 215 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: It must be interconnected with these other paranormal ideas and 216 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 4: possibly even the afterlife, which we hear about. People claim 217 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: in these you know, in their experiences, how do you 218 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: see it? 219 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 5: Well, I agree with that, but it also underscores the 220 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 5: playfulness of it. He's going to be bummed if the 221 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 5: sandbox only has you know, sand castles and doesn't have 222 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 5: other things in it. So again, and he is an 223 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 5: amazing mind, and again, as a scientist is you know, 224 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: looking at everything, and he has to be open to everything. 225 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 5: And so I look at this and I think, you know, 226 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 5: when I started out, there are two things that I 227 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: got from doing these documentaries, spending seven years, sixty six 228 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 5: interviews and four continents. What I got was I learned 229 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: what I don't know, and then I also learned that 230 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 5: it could be none of the above and it could 231 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 5: be all the above. I'm tending to think it's all 232 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 5: the above. If interdimension can happen, travel that's going to happen, 233 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 5: right period. If you can do it, they're going to 234 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 5: do it. It's like a movie where if you show 235 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 5: the gun in the first act, you're going to use 236 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 5: it in the third act. 237 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: Right. 238 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 5: I look at that and I go, okay, well, you know, 239 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 5: if there time travelers yet, we're going to get that 240 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 5: bending time and or bending space and being able to 241 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 5: go from one section of space, whether it's through a 242 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 5: wormhole or whatever. If that can happen, which already we 243 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: see little you know, sci fi writers have been writing 244 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 5: about it forever that we are going to have those 245 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 5: physics to be able to do that. Eventually, we are 246 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 5: going to do that. So why wouldn't it be all 247 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 5: the above? And so then the next question becomes, how 248 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 5: are all these different visitors which again visitors sat I 249 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 5: kind of don't like that because they're from here. They're 250 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: from the existence that all life has come from, right, 251 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 5: so maybe they're neighbors. But the congestion of that, I mean, 252 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 5: we talk about triangle crafts, tic tech crafts, flying saucers, 253 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 5: ors that come in so many different shapes and sizes 254 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 5: and then they morph. It's just this, It is that 255 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: playful thing. 256 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: It's an enigma that you keep chasing. 257 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, and by design, by design, they don't want us 258 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 5: to know. They're just giving us enough. It's kind of 259 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 5: like the Star Trek Prime directive where they'll do a 260 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: little poking. There's definitely some poking going on. 261 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: And will it take us a thousand years to get 262 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 4: these technologies to master either traveling in space or traveling 263 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 4: in dimensions or traveling through time? Or is it ten 264 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: thousand years or is it one hundred thousand years before 265 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: we could master those technologies? And will we survive long 266 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: enough to develop those technologies? You know, we may not. 267 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: We could easily blow ourselves up. They could, and by 268 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: the time we got able to meet with them, they're gone, 269 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: and there's going to be another civilization somewhere. I think 270 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: this is, you know, a very fluid situation. You know, 271 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: there's great moments in your film, like asking the NASA scientists, Hey, 272 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: what happens when we find intelligent life and make contact? 273 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 4: And she doesn't know they're looking for intelligent life, and 274 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 4: yet in some ways they may not really be prepared 275 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 4: for when they officially find it. 276 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 5: Right, they are not prepared. I can't believe that no 277 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 5: one asked that question. I mean, this is a deputy 278 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 5: NASA in charge of the test program, which came up 279 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: before James Webb, and it is an act of satellite. 280 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 5: It isn't just you know, a mapping satellite. It's been 281 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 5: out there for a while. And she got the giggles answered. 282 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 5: Then she goes, oh my god. Yeah, we're always focusing 283 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 5: on the technology again, that's the underscore here, right, focusing 284 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: on that and not what happens. And then so you know, 285 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: she's like, well, I think you need to go here, 286 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 5: and so then I go to another organization and then 287 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 5: they leave me somewhere and it becomes this kind of 288 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 5: you know, you become a detective. A lot of times 289 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 5: I feel like a detective, you know, doing these things. 290 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 5: But they're going to tell me where to go. I'm 291 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 5: not going to engineer where that is. I've got to 292 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 5: you know, be open. But it definitely is that. It's 293 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 5: people aren't prepared, man, they are They're not prepared. And mean, 294 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 5: you say, you know, what is the date? Are they 295 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 5: going to be one hundred years? Are they a thousand years? 296 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked, because let me pull up my 297 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 5: calendar and I'm gonna tell you the exact dates. 298 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 4: Put it out there. 299 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, Mitchya kal Ku says in the 300 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 5: dock that they may not you know, they may not 301 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 5: only be a few years, a few hundred years, and 302 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: maybe thousand years millions. We're late to the game. You know, 303 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 5: there are billions of years where there are planets like 304 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 5: ours that existed, So we could be looking at intelligent 305 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 5: non human forms that are a billion years old. So 306 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 5: the question again, when are we going to get there? Well, 307 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 5: we've got a lot of work to do on ourselves, 308 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 5: you know, a lot of work. Astronauts will talk about 309 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 5: the overview effect where they look at our planet and 310 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 5: they see, wow, this is just one big thing that 311 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 5: we're all on and we're all part of it. You know. 312 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 5: We've got the little borders and you're a little OCD 313 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 5: as a species. You know, this fits in here, and 314 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: the Google map does this, and we have it all outlined. 315 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 5: But the reality is that we own all of the planet, 316 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 5: all of it's ours, all of it's the universe. You know, 317 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 5: the idea of having passports and member as a kid, 318 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 5: I had a real bump with that. I'm like, what 319 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 5: if I want to go somewhere. I'm want to go somewhere. 320 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 5: I want to explore and and I want to do 321 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 5: that in space as well. AI is definitely going to 322 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 5: accelerate things, But is it going to push us, you know, 323 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: into that dark space before we come out? And are 324 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 5: we going to be the species that survives and that 325 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 5: is able to to get to that technology? You know? 326 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 5: Is there going to be another one that comes in here. 327 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 5: I'm rooting for us to be the one that evolves 328 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 5: and gets to that place. I don't want us to 329 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 5: get wiped out and have some someone else come in 330 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 5: here and go, you know, the new the new guys 331 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 5: are in town, the new kid on the block. I 332 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 5: want us to get their own, can't well. 333 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 4: I want us too as well. But don't you think 334 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: that that's putting a lot of faith in humanity and 335 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 4: and the way we're so war mongering and everything. I 336 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 4: don't know that we're going to last that long. 337 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 5: You're right, it's total. I don't know. 338 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: I was talking seriously. I mean, it's going to be tough, right, 339 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I think. 340 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: I know what. Here's the thing I was I was 341 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 5: talking to Chris leto Letto, and uh, happened, uh to 342 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: connect with him and and I and I thought, you know, 343 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 5: the thing that's that's really weird is that I said 344 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 5: to him this. I said, look, you study to become 345 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 5: a pilot, a jet pilot, and you teach that. And 346 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 5: I you know, buddy of mine wrote the movie. He 347 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 5: did Ghost, but he also wrote Brainstorm, which the conceit 348 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 5: there of that movie, the sci fi movie is a 349 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 5: great movie. At Christopher Walk and Natalie Wood's last film. 350 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 5: He puts this helmet on and he experiences these things 351 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 5: and then he passes it to someone else. So like 352 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 5: Natalie Wood puts it on, she can play the piano. 353 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 5: She gives him the helmet he puts on, and he 354 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 5: can play the piano instantaneously. And so I said, if 355 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 5: someone said to you, we can put this helmet on 356 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 5: and you can fly a jet, would you want that? 357 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 5: Or would you want all those moments that you learned 358 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: by flying and how it affected you and how you 359 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 5: grew as a person. And you challenge yourself and you 360 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 5: create these grooves in your brain, you know, in these 361 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 5: muscular instincts, and plus just the experience of mastering something. 362 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 5: Would you give up all that just to have this 363 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 5: instant thing. And he said, absolutely not. I want to 364 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 5: go through that journey. 365 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: And I said, yes, that yes, But ask an eighteen 366 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: year old that today and they would all say, go 367 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 4: right to the helmet. I'm not going to take the 368 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: time to learn it. I think it's a different world 369 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 4: and I think that's changing, and I don't think that 370 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: that's how kids today feel. I think they want the helmet. 371 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk more with 372 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: Dean about his new documentary series called The Alien Perspective 373 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: and this idea of we could be living in a simulation. 374 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio and Coast 375 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on 376 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. We're talking to Dean here. 377 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 5: Here we go with some more. 378 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: Heady cerebral ideas, and that being the notion that we 379 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: could be living in a simulation. And you know in 380 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: the film you have David Chalmers who points out how 381 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: in the seventeenth century, Renee de Karte posited that how 382 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 4: do we know that we're not being fooled by some 383 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 4: evil genius like a demon that is stimulating our sensory 384 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 4: systems to produce the senses of the world around us. 385 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: It's an incredible idea that he would have, you know, 386 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: that long ago. It's crazy that I feel that way, 387 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: but I feel like my God to have this thought 388 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: hundreds of years ago is amazing. And you know, in 389 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 4: a way it was sort of an early version of 390 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: this modern idea that we might be living in a 391 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: computer simulation by some higher power or alien civilization or 392 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: some form of higher consciousness. 393 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, simulation reality hypothesis. How just kind of 394 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 5: the chase, How does that affect us? Well, we still 395 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 5: have to pay bills, we still have loved ones that 396 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 5: we want to take care of, we still have things 397 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 5: that we can enjoy. It doesn't preclude us from having 398 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 5: the life that we do have, the physical life where 399 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 5: we feel pain in everything. So if we are puppets, 400 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 5: we are given a lot of sensory exposure and sensory 401 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 5: God a century intake that that is still real. And 402 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: that's what Nick Bostrom, and that's what Dave Chalmers says. 403 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if it's simulated or not. It is 404 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 5: still real for us in this plane on this. 405 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 4: They call that a reality which is really difficult for 406 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 4: me because it feels too precarious somehow, like it sounds 407 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 4: like it could just be erased or wiped out. You know, 408 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: it's hard for me to think of it in those terms. 409 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 5: Well, I know that Dave Poli and I we were 410 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 5: both kind of discovering simulate reality hypothesis at the same time. 411 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 5: And it was for David was very profound. He's an 412 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 5: amazing mind, and he was talking about it and it 413 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: was you know, we both kind of got into a 414 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: little groove or rut of Oh, that's kind of the 415 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 5: you know. 416 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 4: What's interesting is Dean, There's there's famous physicists I think 417 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 4: Plank and a few others. I know, Russell Targa has 418 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: set it to my face that these guys believe consciousness 419 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 4: survives death. And these are hard science guys. I mean, 420 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 4: you know, renowned physicists. You know, Dean, I want to 421 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 4: get into something else here. You know, humanity's ego is 422 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: always so overinflated. You know, even at the end of 423 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 4: the nineteenth century, there's that other physicist, uh and scientist 424 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: Lord Kelvin and Uh, he's the guy who said there's 425 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 4: nothing new to be discovered in physics. Now All that 426 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 4: remains is just more precise measurements. Do you think we're 427 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: any better now at recognizing how primitive we really are? 428 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 5: Now? Because of the hubris of mankind, we're we're the 429 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 5: the you know, the s h you know, I we 430 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: feel that way, and we certainly have pride, some of 431 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 5: it's unearned. But we have so much more to use 432 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 5: a football analogy, so much more yardage ahead of us 433 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 5: to go. And and you know again, we've got to 434 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: enjoy the journey, not the destination. No, we're not God, 435 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 5: We're a fraction. I mean, we haven't been here that 436 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 5: long on this planet, you know. 437 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 4: And so. 438 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 5: I it depends what your measuring stick is. You know, 439 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 5: what are you looking at as far as what we've achieved, 440 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: Because what we've achieved right now, we've built a lot 441 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 5: of things, a lot of buildings, a lot of structures, 442 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 5: and now we're going to be creating things technology wise, 443 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 5: it's going to be pretty amazing. But are those things 444 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 5: that show that we're evolved or is it just look 445 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 5: at what we can do? Looked at I can do 446 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 5: a cartwheel. 447 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 4: You can imagine how before this computer age and the 448 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: dawn of AI and the technologies that you're referring to. 449 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 4: How we got to the point where we try to 450 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: explain our existence. We probably spoken more spiritual astral terms, 451 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 4: and you know, the ancient idea of us having souls 452 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 4: and the Michael Newton idea of the journey of souls 453 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 4: and you repeat these lives and reincarnate all over the place, 454 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 4: like you were just talking about. It is only in 455 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 4: today's time that we even have something like simulations theory, 456 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: because we have computers now and we have video games 457 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: with simulators to even conceive of these ideas, you know, 458 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 4: it just seems to keep building on itself. 459 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: That's that's the thing. We are slowly having the wizard's 460 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 5: curtain drawn back, and when you see just one part 461 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 5: of it, you go, oh, it's all about that, and 462 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 5: you're like, hold on, we're gonna pull some more back. 463 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: Oh oh wow, look it's this, and so uh, you know, 464 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 5: we need we need to enjoy that. We need to 465 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 5: enjoy learning more, discovering more. And I think we kind 466 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 5: of it's an insecurity that we want to be able 467 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 5: to say, oh, we know everything, we know this. I 468 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 5: love Michael Newton. I'm a big fan of doctor Brian Weiss. 469 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 5: You know, when you have things like xeno glossy, which 470 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 5: has been well studied, which is when a child can 471 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 5: speak a language that they shouldn't speak because of a 472 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 5: past life. I mean, this is like a medical term. 473 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 5: And now you've got the telepathy tapes, which I forgot 474 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 5: who sent me. 475 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: That, But. 476 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: The Diana Powell stuff, Yeah, yeah, Alian and I were 477 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 5: just tearing through it and and I saw Russ Cothalt 478 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 5: is now all over it. It's I'm not surprised by that, 479 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 5: because any deficiency that people perceive as a disability or 480 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 5: are something that is a is a negative. With with 481 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 5: comparing ourselves to other quote unquote healthy humans, there's going 482 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 5: to be benefits there. And so the fact that that, 483 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 5: you know, just to let the listeners know, telepathy tapes 484 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 5: are about autistic, severely autistic, neuro non speaking, none speaking, 485 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 5: and that they're actually able to actually communicate and they 486 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 5: have been and do it through telepathy and with loved ones. 487 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,239 Speaker 5: And this this uh, this brilliant mind doctor Powell who 488 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 5: is coming and speaking at Contact in the desert. 489 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 4: Absolutely she's going to be there and. 490 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 5: Talking more about it. And this is real. She's from Harvard, 491 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: you know, this is this is some serious stuff. And 492 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 5: so again we are headed there, and so we're getting 493 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 5: little glimpses. These are teasers, these are trailers for what's 494 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 5: to come. But we should all be communicating telepathically. I mean, 495 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 5: we're still on training. 496 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 4: That we possibly did that one hundred thousand years ago. 497 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I ask you again. When you rely on technology, 498 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 5: you become lazy. 499 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: You know, I want to say something else here. 500 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 5: You know. 501 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 4: It's funny how I think that you feel almost agnostic 502 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: about this phenomenon, and I feel sort of close to 503 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 4: that feeling myself. But yet your work, this film makes 504 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 4: me more compelled to believe in it. I do know 505 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: that there is more happening than is acknowledged. You know, 506 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 4: as you explore this topic and speak to people firsthand, 507 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: I find it very compelling, and I can't help but 508 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: feel that there is more to our world than Newtonian 509 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 4: face value physics. And at the very least, I always 510 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: like to say there's enough UFO information here to justify 511 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: more scientific inquiry as a minimum. However, I still have 512 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 4: absolutely no idea of what's really happening. You know, the 513 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: more you dig into these type of projects, I feel, 514 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: the more I dig into this, the more complex and 515 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 4: elusive it be comes. Do you feel doing this project 516 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: get you closer to an understanding of what's happening? 517 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 5: Yes, and some of it. The biggest leaps that I've 518 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 5: made is by taking stuff off my plate where I 519 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 5: had beliefs that beliefs and error that were incorrect and 520 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 5: didn't math out, and so I could take those off 521 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 5: and so it became sharper of what I knew or 522 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 5: what I didn't know. Again, it's like a Lego set. 523 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 5: You want to put it all together, but you have 524 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 5: to make sure all the pieces fit and everything, and 525 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 5: sometimes you have to abandon you know, like I've got 526 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 5: a Lego set through work of Jaws because this is 527 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 5: the Jaws fiftieth anniversary coming up, so I got some 528 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: jawswag going. And sometimes you have to work on the 529 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 5: bow of the ship, you know that the orca the boat, 530 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 5: and then sometimes you have to do the stern. Sometimes 531 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 5: you're going to do the figurines, and then it because 532 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 5: you get a certain point, you go okay, I can't 533 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 5: go further. I don't know where this goes next, and 534 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 5: then you start. It's like that, and so it is. 535 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 5: It is fun and I'm glad to hear that. In 536 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 5: the documentary, you feel like the ideas that are put 537 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 5: out there are thought out enough that you go, Okay, well, 538 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 5: this does feel real because each of these concepts are real. 539 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: We need to take a break there, Dean. When we 540 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk to you more about 541 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 4: the alien perspective and keep this deep thought thing going, 542 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: and we'll even touch on part two of this series. 543 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 544 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 545 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Dean about 546 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: all things alien. You know, Dean, I've read recently that 547 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: one of the fears of AI is if it does 548 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 4: become smarter than us, we may not even be able 549 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 4: to tell that it is manipulating us for its own 550 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: purpose and we wouldn't even realize it. What do you 551 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 4: think about that idea? 552 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 5: To an extent, it's already happening. But again, what people 553 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 5: don't kind of get. And I've read Ray Kerr'swhile The 554 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 5: Age of the Spiritual Machine and all the other you know, 555 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 5: books on this, but ultimately, machines or machines. They're dumb. 556 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 5: They don't do anything until we program them and tell 557 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 5: them what to do. And so when we talk about 558 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 5: you know, sky nets where they you know, go rogue 559 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 5: and everything, they go rogue because they were given that information, 560 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 5: they were given that programming that led them to that conclusion. 561 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 5: So it's not like it is a separate intelligent species. 562 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 5: It works off of that. And so, you know, I 563 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 5: feel like what we're going to end up doing with 564 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 5: this technology is is not great, and so again we're 565 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 5: going to abuse. I just listened to this great making 566 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 5: of of two thousand and one Space Odyssey, and you've 567 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 5: got one of the greatest minds, Arthur C. Clark, and 568 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 5: you know, Kubrick goes out and gets this guy and says, 569 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 5: I want to hijack this guy's mind and come out 570 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 5: and do a really, really great sci fi movie, because 571 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 5: up into that point they've been like a couple of 572 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 5: these there. Urst would still stuff like that, but that's it. 573 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 5: He's like, we're going to totally like blow the doors off. 574 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 5: And so you know, his idea was that you create 575 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 5: this thing and then at some point you you you know, 576 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 5: give it life and you try to have it be 577 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 5: imbued again, it's ego imbued with qualities that we have. 578 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 5: We want Suri to say, hey, how are you, how 579 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 5: is your day? You know, take care of you and everything. Oh, 580 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 5: and it will do that. And we're going to have 581 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 5: robot you know, companions, stuff like that. Well, what happens, 582 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 5: especially when we get to that point where we are 583 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 5: talking about you know, almost cyborgs and stuff like that, 584 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 5: the technology is we are going to have the opposite 585 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 5: of the population over population. It's already happening, it's already decreasing. 586 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 5: And so when that happens, we are screwed because if 587 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 5: we don't have enough gene pool, you know, people go 588 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 5: all the Neanderthals. What was that all about, Well, there 589 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 5: were several other species beforehand. They were the last real 590 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 5: significant ones that had such a divergence of our own, 591 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 5: even though they were all the same, that it gave 592 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 5: us a rich, healthy gene pool. And then it's kind 593 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 5: of served its purpose. 594 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 4: You know. 595 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 5: I happen to believe that we probably took them out, 596 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 5: you know, because they look different, because we're really good 597 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 5: with doing that. We like everything were the same, right, 598 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 5: So I worry about that. I worry that people are 599 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 5: going to seek companionship and not someone else. But in 600 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 5: this technology that's going to tell you everything that you 601 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 5: want to hear. So it's kind of like it's dangerous. 602 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 5: You want you want to have your cake and eat 603 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 5: it too. 604 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 4: We want it, but it is dangerous. That's an excellent point. 605 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 4: I think you're on the money there, Dean. Did you 606 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 4: discover anything new surprises when you were doing this, Like 607 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 4: when you had such a diverse cast of incredible speakers, 608 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 4: did they ever shock you with what they had to say? 609 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, sixty six interviews. I think only three of 610 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 5: those didn't make it into the show. And maybe it'll 611 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 5: be something down the road. Yeah, I mean, certainly my masters. 612 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 5: We had some fun with that. Some things that didn't 613 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 5: end up that may end up in if we do 614 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 5: a Blu ray or DVD thing. But every single section, 615 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 5: the stuff we talk about NASA, that was, you know, fantastic. 616 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 5: And also talking to Jim Peniston, that to me was 617 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 5: really for me because I've done these crime shows and stuff. 618 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 5: When I interview witnesses, I want to take them back, 619 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 5: you know, to that moment. I want to recreate what 620 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 5: that is because I want to glean new stuff that 621 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 5: we've not heard before. If I'm going to interview Jim 622 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 5: Peniston and I'm going to go out to get him, which, 623 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 5: by the way, all these interviews are very challenging to 624 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 5: go out and get, especially when there are different continents, 625 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 5: because I'll show up sometimes and they'll blow me off, 626 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 5: you know, and it's like, okay, now what do I do? 627 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 5: So with Peniston, I said, tell take me back to 628 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 5: the forest. What does that look like? I want you 629 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 5: it's got to be. It's late at night. I almost 630 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 5: I am you're in it? What does that feel like? 631 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 5: What is the temper like? Temperature like? Was it? And 632 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 5: all of a sudden he goes in this like fugue 633 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 5: state and just kind of looks off and I go, 634 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 5: what's going on? And he says, well, I'm there, and 635 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 5: I go good, and he goes, no, Dean, I am there. 636 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 5: I tell you. I can draw the grooves of the 637 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 5: bark on the tree that's immediately to my left, I 638 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 5: see the dew on the leaves and it just comes 639 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 5: over him and I go, take me there. And so 640 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 5: he's telling things and divulges things that he's not said before, 641 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 5: because we are going back in a way time traveling 642 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 5: and going back to that moment and reliving it. And 643 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 5: so the Pensen story and same with the tic Tac 644 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 5: story where we interview some of the main players of 645 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 5: that that to me, there are themes in there. I'm 646 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 5: also a little dyslexic, and so like when I see 647 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 5: the tic Tac videos, I think of Pong. I'm dating myself, 648 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 5: but I think of Atari Pong. You've got that little right, 649 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 5: little hashmark that's moving. It just goes out a frame. 650 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 5: It's black and white. Let's just like it. I'm not 651 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 5: in the cockpit with Commander Dave Fraverer jet when he 652 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 5: sees the tic Tac. That's why I went and I got, 653 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 5: you know, this Academy of Award winning them illustrator Ana 654 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 5: Maryah illustrator to come out and to recreate it and 655 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 5: put the audience in the cockpit, to put them in 656 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 5: the tic Tac looking at Dave Fravor. That's never been 657 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 5: done before. So for the first time we can actually 658 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 5: see what that looks like. And when you do animation, 659 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 5: what's great about that is I can recreate Jim Peniston 660 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 5: what he looked like when he was twenty four years old. 661 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 5: Seeing this not get an actor who kind of looks 662 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 5: like him, So there is some exactitude that you that 663 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 5: you get from doing that, and. 664 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 4: That was it was very cool, and it's better than 665 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 4: doing the recreations. It's harder to pull that off. I 666 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 4: think this gave it a nice, nice flavor. You know, 667 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 4: Part two of the document Part two of the documentary 668 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 4: series is going to world premiere at this year's Contact 669 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 4: in the Desert event, and I honestly can't wait. That's 670 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 4: the only thing I don't like about this first part 671 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 4: is I don't get to see the second part for 672 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 4: three more months. So I've heard there's a lot of 673 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 4: great moments and some mic drop moments in this next section, 674 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 4: you know. To be honest, the first one really impressed me. 675 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 4: So it's this type of thought provoking film that I 676 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 4: think it was very much needed. I think as soon 677 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 4: as this debuted, the cannabis sales in La went up triple. 678 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it's just this at least art provoking 679 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 4: thing and it's fantastic. 680 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 5: You know. 681 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 4: One more question for you is I do need to 682 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 4: ask you how many Jeff Goldblum impersonation contests have you won? 683 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 5: I wish I would have known you were going to 684 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 5: ask that because I would pull up a picture with 685 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 5: Jeff Golbelm and I, oh, you have a oh my god. Yeah. 686 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 5: The first time I heard that was in the nineties. 687 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: I'm working on this Stephen J. Cannell crime series and 688 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 5: the one of the writers who was we shared a 689 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 5: wall between us. He kept coming around and going, you're 690 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 5: doing it again. I go, doing what and he goes, 691 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 5: Jeff Goblum, you sound just like Jeff Goeblam And then 692 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 5: I would get that and I'm Italian, so I top 693 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 5: with my hands and Goldblum's very much doing that. So yeah. 694 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 5: So anyway, I ended up meeting him because his wife 695 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 5: was on this yoga retreat that we were on, so 696 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 5: we went to see him form in Las an amazing 697 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 5: jazz musician, and we took a picture of our side 698 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 5: by side. So that's I take that as a as 699 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 5: a as a compliment. 700 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more of your voice and even some of 701 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 4: your you know, the way you speak sometimes is very 702 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 4: reminiscent of him. I find it very funny. Hey, listen, guys. 703 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 4: You can find more about Dean at deanalatodirector dot com. 704 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 4: You can find more about the Alien Perspective documentary at 705 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 4: Alien perspectivemovie dot com. Please check out this film. It's 706 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 4: on Apple and Amazon, and obviously I highly recommend it. 707 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 4: Dean's a wonderfully skilled filmmaker and he has made a fascinating, 708 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 4: thought provoking film here. So thank you Dean for coming 709 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 4: on and sharing your insights. I really really appreciate it. Man, 710 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 4: it was a lot of fun. Thank you, Ron, I 711 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 4: really enjoyed the questions for less thought provoking ideas. 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