WEBVTT - I Choose ... Truth Over Headlines with Amy Robach

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to I Choose Me, the podcast about the choices we

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<v Speaker 1>make to redefine what it means to evolve and thrive

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<v Speaker 1>on our own terms. From reluctantly agreeing to an on

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<v Speaker 1>air mammogram that ultimately saved her life, to weathering a

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<v Speaker 1>very public departure from network television to finding love and partnership.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Robach exemplifies what it means to be a role

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<v Speaker 1>model for choosing Me, I'm so thrilled to have her

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<v Speaker 1>with me today. Hi, hello, beautiful. When's the last time

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<v Speaker 1>I saw you? Was it jingle Balls?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it? I feel like we saw you for a

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<v Speaker 2>fleeting boat. Yes, but it was like and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>we would see you again and then we never did.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was literally a drive by.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so funny. You are beautiful, you are glowing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, oh, love looks great on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I was thinking life changes so much and

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<v Speaker 1>love looks so different at our age, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>when we're eighty two. What does love and connection look

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<v Speaker 1>like at this stage for you compared to when you

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<v Speaker 1>were younger?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I understand it now. I think I did

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<v Speaker 2>not know what love was. I was in love with

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<v Speaker 2>my career, I was in love with ambition. I really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't focus on giving and actually loving someone until I

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<v Speaker 2>found the right person. And it's amazing when you realize

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't know what you didn't know until you actually

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<v Speaker 2>find it. And for me, love is about respect, It

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<v Speaker 2>is about trust, and it is about friendship and compatibility,

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<v Speaker 2>and just for me, it's just so beautiful to want

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<v Speaker 2>to be with someone and never wanting to leave their side.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's I've never had this experience before, so

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<v Speaker 2>this has been it's I saved the best for last.

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<v Speaker 1>Well speaking and not leaving each other's side. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>are always together, your life partners, your business partners, you

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<v Speaker 1>do the podcast together.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people pull it unhealthy. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>We spent eight years being each other's really really good friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd say the last two years of that were

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<v Speaker 2>being each other's best friend and missing each other and

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<v Speaker 2>always wanting to try to hang out and just chill

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<v Speaker 2>and go do our thing, and never being able to

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<v Speaker 2>actually figure it out until we ended up in our

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<v Speaker 2>romantic relationship. And now it's kind of like almost if

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<v Speaker 2>we're making up for lost time.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We have fun almost every day. We try to make

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<v Speaker 2>it a priority.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so aside from work, how do you guys find

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<v Speaker 1>a couple time?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? It sounds funny because we already gethered

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to seven, and yet we will look at

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<v Speaker 2>each other and say I miss you, and we have

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<v Speaker 2>tried to. We have our spots. On the weekends, we

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<v Speaker 2>always try to go to a brunch just the two

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<v Speaker 2>of us, and we try to make a rule no

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<v Speaker 2>talk about work, and I'm usually guilty. I'll start saying

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<v Speaker 2>something like it is hard and we have to make

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<v Speaker 2>an effort. So we usually go to any big horror

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<v Speaker 2>movie that's coming out. That's like a date afternoon for

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<v Speaker 2>us because we get up really early, so date nights

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<v Speaker 2>are like date late afternoons for us.

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<v Speaker 1>And wait, did you say horror movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we're obsessed with horror movies. Okay, any horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, that was initially in terms of our friendship,

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<v Speaker 2>something that connected us immediately because we didn't know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other people who liked them, and when we

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<v Speaker 2>found that we both loved I mean upset why why?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you obsessed with them? Since I was in

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<v Speaker 2>second grade and sneaked to my neighbor's house and saw Poltergeist,

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<v Speaker 2>I have been hooked thrill. I think what it is

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<v Speaker 2>is you get to experience heart pounding fear and like

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<v Speaker 2>a thrill, a high and adrenaline rush without actually being

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<v Speaker 2>in danger. And I don't think I knew that initially

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<v Speaker 2>what attracted me to horror movies, but I do think

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<v Speaker 2>it's this excitement and this you get to experience fear

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<v Speaker 2>without being threatened. Actually, and there's this, I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get excitement about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you guys connected over your love of horror.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies one hundred percent. That was one of our I

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<v Speaker 2>think the first thing were like you two, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we just started listing like like deep cuts and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if someone is a true horror fan, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're legit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely wouldn't connect with somebody based on my horror

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<v Speaker 1>film knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>I get scared. So yes we are. We're slightly strange,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've been judged for our love of horror movies.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, we had that in common.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I don't want to who's going to judge you

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<v Speaker 1>for what kind of movie you like my mom?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh why in the mom? Well would you get like

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of pleasure out of that? I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you said before you were driven by work and

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<v Speaker 1>by achieving. Where did that come from? Did that come

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<v Speaker 1>from your upbringing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, my parents were. My dad was cut off from

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<v Speaker 2>his family financially, and not that they had a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of money. And my mom came from nothing that in Harbor, Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>one of nine children, and my grandfather I think made

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen thousand dollars a year as a home builder, not

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<v Speaker 2>college educated, and the children of immigrants. So yes, they

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<v Speaker 2>came from nothing. And then my mom got pregnant with

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<v Speaker 2>me at eighteen and had two kids by twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>They were on food stamps and built themselves up slowly

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<v Speaker 2>but surely. But I saw the struggle. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a household where we were always worried about money, and

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<v Speaker 2>my mom and dad really invested in my brother and

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<v Speaker 2>I in our education and not they actually couldn't afford college,

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<v Speaker 2>but invested in the support of getting good grades and

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<v Speaker 2>accomplishing and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. And so

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<v Speaker 2>they sat as sound and said, we have no money

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<v Speaker 2>for college, so you got to get all you got.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to get an academic scholarship or you'll, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have to take out loans. And so it was motivating.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I just think that mindset of I got

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<v Speaker 2>a hustle, I got to make this happen, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just it moved me. It stayed with me, it's never

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<v Speaker 2>left me. And that my dad. I watch my dad

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<v Speaker 2>get his master's degree, become an amazing microbiologist. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw people because they were so young when they

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<v Speaker 2>had me. We grew up together, all right. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>my parents were empty nesters at thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that sounds amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>My friends were having children at forty two, forty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's just so

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<v Speaker 2>funny because my grandmother was a grandma at forty.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds amazing because I mean I had kids young too.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I was twenty three, I had my first daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>so and I love loved every second of being a

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<v Speaker 1>young mom. And like you said, I fully just grew

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<v Speaker 1>up with my kids along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>So that you know, I think seeing them struggle and

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<v Speaker 2>seeing them work their way out of struggle was a

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<v Speaker 2>lesson that didn't have to be talked to me because

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<v Speaker 2>I witnessed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right at fifty I know you're at the same age

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<v Speaker 1>as me. At fifty three, I'll say my age, but

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<v Speaker 1>I won't say your age.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm oh, I just turned fifty three. I forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to like say it if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>say it. Yeah, So at fifty three, do you ever

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<v Speaker 1>step back and be like I just I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 1>the hustle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, but the cool thing is right now, I

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<v Speaker 2>teach and I are, we're our own bosses, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we're hustling for us, and we're hustling in a different way.

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<v Speaker 2>Initially it was rebuilding what we had lost, not just

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<v Speaker 2>financially or but like credibility wise, like rebuilding our our

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<v Speaker 2>trust and ourselves are our audience that we had built

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<v Speaker 2>and spent three decades building almost. I mean, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>I had been in the business for twenty seven years, hustling, hustling, hustling,

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<v Speaker 2>and you feel like in one one fell swoop unfairly

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, and everything you work for just crumbled.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're fighting for your reputation, your credibility, and now

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<v Speaker 2>we feel like we've built up a really cool audience

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<v Speaker 2>where we get to tell the news with our perspective

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<v Speaker 2>and give folks updates. We've kind of created this little

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<v Speaker 2>mini news network here out of our apartment, in our

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<v Speaker 2>podcast room, and it's fun because the hustle now is

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<v Speaker 2>for us. It's not for someone else, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>proving anything to anyone else. Now, we're actually just doing

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<v Speaker 2>what we love. When we get to do it together, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes a big difference.

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<v Speaker 2>It does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't imagine what that must have been like when.

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<v Speaker 2>It was hell. It was worse than it was, worse

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<v Speaker 2>than cancer. It was the hardest, hardest year of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think anyone who has had who's been misunderstood,

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<v Speaker 2>who's had a who's been judged off a false narrative

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<v Speaker 2>that you can never reclaim, I've learned even though I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the business of communication and certainly in the

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<v Speaker 2>business of media, I did not realize what it was

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<v Speaker 2>like once someone else tells your story, once it's already

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<v Speaker 2>out there, you can never you lose control, you lose

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<v Speaker 2>your narrative, and you'll never get it back. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>this acceptance that has to follow. That is really hard,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a part of what we all have to

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<v Speaker 2>learn in life that we actually don't have control. And

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<v Speaker 2>as long as we're so obsessed with making sure other

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<v Speaker 2>people look at us the way we want them to

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<v Speaker 2>or see us the way we think we should be seen,

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<v Speaker 2>we're always going to be frustrated and angry because it's

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<v Speaker 2>never gonna happen. You have to let it go. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to know who you are, respect you are, love

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<v Speaker 2>who you are, and just be okay with that and

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<v Speaker 2>have that be enough. Because if you're constantly seeking approval,

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<v Speaker 2>which I have done for my entire life, I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>on it, but I'm all of this pain that I

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<v Speaker 2>have been through over the last several years has just

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<v Speaker 2>broken me open in the most incredible way. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>been painful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, growth is painful, that's for sure. When you when

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<v Speaker 1>that all happened, did you kind of like lose a

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<v Speaker 1>sense inside yourself of who amy was like or what

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<v Speaker 1>what like? Did you did the negative voices that you

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<v Speaker 1>heard outside or even in your own head? Did they

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<v Speaker 1>convince you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, of like bad messages?

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent? Yes. Oh, I'm telling you I had

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<v Speaker 2>to go into therapy and I had. I had been

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<v Speaker 2>in it actually after both of my divorces, so it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a foreign concept to me. But I am still

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<v Speaker 2>actually in therapy just because I was so scared of

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<v Speaker 2>I'm somebody who is a very positive person. I'm just naturally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've got maybe even an annoying amount of

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<v Speaker 2>positive energy that I was just born with. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to bring me down, it really is. I had never

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<v Speaker 2>had any sort of negative thoughts about myself, not wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to get up in the morning, not wanting to live,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to have another day of pain and doubt, and

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like I was being chased. We were both being

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<v Speaker 2>chased by the paparazzi every day for a year, like unrelenting,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just became to a point where you actually

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you just wanted to go away, You just

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<v Speaker 2>want pain to end. And those thoughts scared me. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never had them before in my life. But I started

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<v Speaker 2>feeling incredible anxiety, and it was I had to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And I think what happens is so many

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<v Speaker 2>times your value and your sense of self is wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>up in all the things that it shouldn't and it

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<v Speaker 2>was wrapped up in my career, and wrapped up in

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<v Speaker 2>my title, and wrapped up in what I thought people

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<v Speaker 2>thought of me, my status that I thought I had

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<v Speaker 2>in my career, in my profession, in my life, in

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<v Speaker 2>my friend group, all of that just blew completely open

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to actually recognize that I was putting

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<v Speaker 2>my worth in something that was completely worthless.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to start at the bottom and work your

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<v Speaker 1>way back up.

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<v Speaker 2>In a way, and I thought I had done that

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<v Speaker 2>work when I had breast cancer. I had a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a year of hell of surgeries and chemo

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<v Speaker 2>and uncertainty, and then all the years that follow you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're always worried about remission, sorry about recurrence when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in permission, And so I thought that was that was

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<v Speaker 2>my rock bottom. That's where I learned. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>just when you think you've you've did it, life will

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<v Speaker 2>remind you that you can still go lower things. Life

0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.720
<v Speaker 2>course things can and I and I actually know that

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that it's almost freeing because when when, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>if you could ask me what the worst possible thing

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<v Speaker 2>would have been like to go through a divorce, to

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<v Speaker 2>go through it publicly, to be publicly humiliated, shamed to

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<v Speaker 2>have your face plastered across tabloids with the scarlet letter

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<v Speaker 2>over you, having your teenage daughter see it all and

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<v Speaker 2>have to live with it among their friends, losing your

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<v Speaker 2>crew job, losing your career. It all happened at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time. It was about short of losing someone you love,

0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.320
<v Speaker 2>and of course you could always go short of having

0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.800
<v Speaker 2>something happened to a family member. It was like the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect storm where everything that could have happened short of

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<v Speaker 2>death happened. Isn't that interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>I can kind of relate to that because after my

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<v Speaker 1>divorce my dad died, or just before my divorce, my

0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.200
<v Speaker 1>dad died and my daughter got really sick. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>she was dying, like it all poured down like a

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<v Speaker 1>torrential rainstorm. And I honestly, I've had other times since

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<v Speaker 1>then that have been challenging and have been, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not great, but that made me kind of realize, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can survive pretty much anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's short.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's short of like losing a child. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, that is every time and every time I

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<v Speaker 2>see a story and I've covered obviously of those moments

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<v Speaker 2>and had to speak to parents and grandparents who've just

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<v Speaker 2>experienced it thin well, and I did. That perspective has

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<v Speaker 2>always stayed with me. I always appreciated that part of

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<v Speaker 2>my job because it was always the ultimate perspective of

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<v Speaker 2>at least my children are healthy, like I get that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Honestly, my children were what kept me saying

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<v Speaker 2>because I knew, no matter how horrible I felt and

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<v Speaker 2>how weak I felt, and how much I wanted the

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<v Speaker 2>pain to stop, I knew I had to figure this

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<v Speaker 2>out for them because I had to show them. I

0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.520
<v Speaker 2>had to show them that you're stronger than you think.

0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.240
<v Speaker 2>I had to walk the walk that I had been talking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my cancer diagnosis. This is the biggest irony, Jenny.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually giving a motivational speech. It was Breast

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<v Speaker 2>cancer Awareness Month. I was standing at a podium in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. Talking to I don't know, five hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and fifty people, giving them advice, telling them

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<v Speaker 2>how to live better, when that tabloid was publishing those

0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.040
<v Speaker 2>photos that were completely misleading. Because I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>say here and now, and I've said it publicly. TG

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<v Speaker 2>and I both have, but we had been out of

0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.880
<v Speaker 2>our marriages for many, many months. We both had our

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<v Speaker 2>own places, we had divorce attorneys. Mine was actually close

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<v Speaker 2>to being wrapped up when those when we were followed,

0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.960
<v Speaker 2>when those pictures were taken, we just weren't public with

0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.480
<v Speaker 2>our relationship yet. But this was not what it was

0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.360
<v Speaker 2>sold to be. This was just them catching us in

0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.320
<v Speaker 2>a relationship. It was not catching us in an affair.

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<v Speaker 2>But it didn't matter because that's how it was sold.

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<v Speaker 2>So here I am standing at this podium and my

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<v Speaker 2>phone starts just ringing, ringing, and I'm just like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is going on? And I were walking out of there,

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<v Speaker 2>like just everyone I'm handing taking pictures with people, and

0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I walk out of there and I I couldn't have

0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.600
<v Speaker 2>known at that point, but my entire world just completely collapsed.

0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 2>And oh the irony of me telling people how to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with adversity. I had no idea what I was

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<v Speaker 2>about to just actually have to deal with for the

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<v Speaker 2>next you know, two solid years. It was just one

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<v Speaker 2>of those watershed moments that you will need.

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<v Speaker 1>Please explain to me how a false story can lose

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<v Speaker 1>you your job, Like, how couldn't how can that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I would like to know the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 2>As well. I didn't think it could. Again. I think

0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.000
<v Speaker 2>it was just an unbelievable confluence of events. But the

0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.399
<v Speaker 2>problem was, we of course wanted to keep our jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we were just like, please, this is

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<v Speaker 2>We knew we did nothing wrong. We knew we didn't

0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:53.159
<v Speaker 2>violate any any ethical boundary. In fact, I my parents,

0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.159
<v Speaker 2>my family, they had all known that I was in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of a divorce. But I just I really

0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.760
<v Speaker 2>did feel and I know TJ did too, that once

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<v Speaker 2>the truth came out, it was fine and we had

0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.439
<v Speaker 2>I hate receipts, but we did. DJ's like, here's my

0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.600
<v Speaker 2>new apartment. I've been here, I've been paying on it

0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.119
<v Speaker 2>for three months, and you know, same for me. I

0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, my marriage was over in the summer. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about why is it there?

0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't problem. I did exactly, And we had

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<v Speaker 2>every intention of going after the holidays. We were just

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<v Speaker 2>going to get our family, our kids comfortable with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to go to ABC. We had

0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.000
<v Speaker 2>our plan in place, and look, we were threatened. We've

0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.960
<v Speaker 2>talked about this. We were threatened. We won't get into

0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.199
<v Speaker 2>who it was, but someone wanted it to make it

0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.840
<v Speaker 2>look the way they made it look. And once that happens,

0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and we're talking to our our bosses and our network,

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're telling us. We had a statement prepared to say,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the middle of divorces, you know, all of

0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 2>what we wanted the world to know. When those pictures

0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.040
<v Speaker 2>came out and we were told that we could not

0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.920
<v Speaker 2>put out a story, they didn't want us to say anything.

0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 2>They said, if you put out a statement, there'll be

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<v Speaker 2>more stories. And so we did what we were told.

0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.159
<v Speaker 2>We did what we were asked to do, and we

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>did not put out a story. The problem, we have

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 2>learned now the hard way, is that when you don't

0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 2>tell the story, someone else tells it for you, and

0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.960
<v Speaker 2>then it just builds and it builds and it builds,

0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and once you've lost that narrative, you cannot get it back.

0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.199
<v Speaker 2>It was excruciating not to be able to speak, not

0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to be able to tell our side, not to be

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.080
<v Speaker 2>able to say, is this a joke? And we actually

0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 2>believed and trusted that ABC would do the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because once they did their investigation, they knew that they

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing. So you know, we got fully paid. It

0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.399
<v Speaker 2>wasn't you know, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry to keep asking you questions about this, but I'm

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 1>actually so interested, Like what happened between them saying don't

0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.639
<v Speaker 1>put out a statement and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>They let us back on the air for several days. Yea,

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<v Speaker 2>and the weekend happened and I was getting ready for

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<v Speaker 2>work on Monday, and they something happened over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone made a decision and they just said we're going

0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.320
<v Speaker 2>and I just said, please don't do this. If you

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<v Speaker 2>take us off beer, this is now going to become

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<v Speaker 2>because by the way, at that point, only a couple

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.720
<v Speaker 2>of tabloids were covering it. But when they removed us

0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>from the air, then it became just a juggernaut of

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the story that we couldn't shake. And then they told

0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>us we were a distraction. They made it a distraction

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 2>by taking us off the air. If they had just

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.280
<v Speaker 2>said we've done We've looked into it. Both Amy and

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 2>TJ were clearly in the middle of divorces. We actually

0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.480
<v Speaker 2>have proof of that, which we had and we support them,

0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.919
<v Speaker 2>and you know, this is their private life. We support them.

0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.560
<v Speaker 2>We hope you can wish them well. We certainly do.

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<v Speaker 2>And if that had happened, you know, everything would have

0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.639
<v Speaker 2>been different. But you know what, I would just say, Clearly,

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 2>there were lessons that I needed to learn. Clearly, I

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.360
<v Speaker 2>needed to go through this, and it's hard to acknowledge

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.680
<v Speaker 2>that in the middle of it, but I actually I

0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.280
<v Speaker 2>knew it in the back of my head. I was like,

0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.520
<v Speaker 2>this is happening for a reason. It was unthinkable, it

0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>was overwhelming, it was devastating, but I kept telling myself,

0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I know that this is happening for a reason, and

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<v Speaker 2>I am a completely different person because of it, and

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want it any other way. What do you

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.080
<v Speaker 2>think The reason was that I needed I needed to

0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 2>reassess what was important in life. I needed to understand

0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:20.640
<v Speaker 2>where I needed to grow, who I needed to become,

0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.119
<v Speaker 2>and what I needed to let go of. There were

0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.440
<v Speaker 2>things I needed to let go of that I wasn't

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 2>going to let go of. They had to kind of

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 2>be ripped from my clutches. And when they were gone

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.359
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like I couldn't breathe, I had to

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:40.120
<v Speaker 2>realize I'm okay. I'm still okay, and I didn't think

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I would be, and I was, and I am, and

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm better than ever before. I am so happy, I

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 2>am so in love with my best friend, and I

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.720
<v Speaker 2>get to wake up with him every day, I get

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:59.080
<v Speaker 2>to work with him every day. And when we kind

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:00.639
<v Speaker 2>of take a step back, we both looked at each

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 2>other all the time, say, I still can't believe we're together.

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's not how we wanted it to happen. It's

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 2>not when we wanted it to happen, but here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's incredible. So that all happened about the same

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>time you found out you had breast cancer or was

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<v Speaker 1>that before?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I thought so I had gone through

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 2>breast cancer in twenty thirteen. So I when I met

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.919
<v Speaker 2>Tej just as a friend, it was twenty fourteen. It

0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 2>was a year I had very short hair, my hair

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.959
<v Speaker 2>was growing back. I had just come out of I

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<v Speaker 2>think I just started my drug therapy. I'd been out

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 2>of Keemo for a couple months, but I met him

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:49.760
<v Speaker 2>for the first time. So, No, that was a journey

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 2>I took with just and that was a tough That

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.679
<v Speaker 2>was a really tough part of my life. And I

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 2>went into kind of like hyper prove myself mode after that.

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.520
<v Speaker 2>So I started to climbing mountains Kiliman Jarrow and like

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.640
<v Speaker 2>literally like oh, I literally climbed two of the seven summits.

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I've run seven marathons all. I basically when I recovered,

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<v Speaker 2>I just went into hyper mode of live like you're dying,

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>live like you're in a country music. I surrounded myself

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:24.679
<v Speaker 2>with just a huge swath of friends, just was living

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>out loud and also avoiding the relationship I was in.

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>So I was just putting myself into accomplishments even more

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:33.920
<v Speaker 2>than I already had at work. Now I was doing

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 2>it every free second I had. I was training for

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 2>a marathon. I was training for climbing Coziosko, climbing Mont Blanc,

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.959
<v Speaker 2>climbing Mount Baker. I had my kids climbing glaciers. We

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>were doing technical climbs in the French Alps. I was, yeah,

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I was running away. I was running away from the

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.120
<v Speaker 2>relationship I was in. I was running away from having

0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:01.200
<v Speaker 2>to deal with any actual self reflection. I distracting myself

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 2>from fear. And I can look back now and it

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>was all cool and fun and amazing, and I don't

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>regret any of it, but I can see it for

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>what it was now. Yeah. Mom used to always say,

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>can't you just be still? And there's a reason why

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I was never able to be still because I was

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.640
<v Speaker 2>just searching for something outside of me, and every time

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I found it, it ended up disappointing me, and I

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>had to Actually, it sounds so cheesy, but I actually

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:35.120
<v Speaker 2>had to start just being quiet and being still with TJ. Yes,

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 2>we travel against we have fun, but I am so

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>still I am and it's hard for me still sometimes.

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 2>But this has been the most beautiful, reflective, incredible amount

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.919
<v Speaker 2>of like spiritual growth and self growth I've had in

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:49.879
<v Speaker 2>my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so beautiful how the things that challenge us the

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<v Speaker 1>most end up teaching us the most about ourselves.

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 2>You only learn when you're uncomfortable. If everything's great, you're

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 2>not going to change. In fact, you might be a

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.360
<v Speaker 2>little cocky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talking about your breast cancer situation. You initially felt

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<v Speaker 1>really resistant to doing that on air, mammogram I read that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you did it anyway because they asked you to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, looking back, how do you process the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that a moment of professional obligation essentially saved your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And honestly, I've always said I can never I

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<v Speaker 2>can never be mad at ABC News or regret being

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<v Speaker 2>in the profession. I'm in because it absolutely saved my life. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I was not going to get a mammogram at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the recommendation was fifty. I was. I had

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<v Speaker 2>just turned forty. My mom is one of nine, my

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<v Speaker 2>dad is one of six. I have so many and

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<v Speaker 2>so many I actually cannot even tell you how many

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>first cousins I have. And at the time, I had

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<v Speaker 2>all my grandparents alive. So I always kind of was.

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<v Speaker 2>I prided myself on our good genes and I no

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<v Speaker 2>one had breast cancer. It just was not even on

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<v Speaker 2>my radar. And so when they asked me to get

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<v Speaker 2>a mammogram, I was. I just said, this is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the right person. I have no connection, no one

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<v Speaker 2>has cancer in my family. I'm really healthy. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not your girl. And that's when Robin Roberts told me,

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<v Speaker 2>you're exactly the person who should do this because you

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<v Speaker 2>think you don't need it. And she's like, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're fine, But she was like, if you walk

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<v Speaker 2>into that mammogram or the Mammo van that they had

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<v Speaker 2>in times.

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<v Speaker 1>Realy one Mammo Van live.

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<v Speaker 2>In the middle of the show of Good Morning America,

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, if you walk into that, Mamma Van

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<v Speaker 2>and you get a mammogram on live national television. I

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee you you will save well life. Some woman will

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<v Speaker 2>make her appointment, she will go and she will find

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<v Speaker 2>her cancer because of you. That was impossible for me

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<v Speaker 2>to say no to. At that point, I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do it. I just know. I was sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>telling Robin I have no connection to the disease, and

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:57.159
<v Speaker 2>meantime I have. I have two malignant tumors in my

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>right breast. I have a positive note and I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here telling her I don't want to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just say thank god I did, because yes, that

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<v Speaker 2>led to a stage two breast cancer diagnosis and I

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<v Speaker 2>had a double mistectomy. I had to do six rounds

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<v Speaker 2>of chemo. My auncle score came back moderate for recurrence.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was on the opposite of hormone replacement therapy

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<v Speaker 2>for eight years. I was on tmoxifen, which is a

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>rapidly aging drug. Yeah, at forty I went into menopause.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that's I know people go they hate their

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 2>period and they complain about their period. But I have

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>to tell you when it's taken from you. At forty

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>and you're told you cannot have children. You know you're done.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. That wasn't the scary. That wasn't the worst part, obviously,

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 2>just being afraid and concerned about having cancer and recurrence.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just another layer of just it part of

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<v Speaker 2>your womanhood, your feminine way. It's a lot to take

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<v Speaker 2>on at any age. But you know, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>a really good your friend who was diagnosed at twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>She's one of my best friends. She's Stage four for

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<v Speaker 2>seven years now. That is static thirty five, dealing with

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 2>stuff that most young women never could imagine, and so

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<v Speaker 2>is she is an absolute inspiration to me every day

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 2>and constant perspective. We complain about all the little things

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>in life. Guess what, people every day out there are

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<v Speaker 2>fighting for their lives to get one more day, to

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<v Speaker 2>get one more week, one more moment with the people

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<v Speaker 2>they love.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so helpful for you to put that in perspective

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>for people, because we forget, Oh what I forget? Yeah,

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>we forget. We start complaining about things and not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>leading with gratitude and get caught up in the all

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the day to day minutia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yup, we all do it. And I'm telling you, even

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 2>as a cancer survivor who is constantly reminded. You know,

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>when you've had a double misectomy and you've got scars,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got these like hard rocks, you have no feeling

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>like you're I feel like I have two foreign objects

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>like sewn onto me, Like your chest never feels the same.

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.959
<v Speaker 2>It's the strange sensation. So in a way, like just

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>from that sensation of the double mistectomy, you it's always

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>on the back of your mind. You know that you're

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a cancer survivor and it and you'd think that that

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>would just always put me like in a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a mood where I'm not going to complain about someone

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>cutting me off, or it's raining, when I want son

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>or son, sonny or whatever, I forget. I have to

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 2>remind myself that, hey, I'm here, I woke up. It's good.

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, Okay, So from that diagnosis, you learned how to

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<v Speaker 1>let go of control, and you actually wrote a book

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>about it Better I did. It's called Better What does control? What?

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>What does?

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<v Speaker 2>Do?

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<v Speaker 1>You still feel like you've let go of control?

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<v Speaker 2>I still struggle with it every day. So it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the line on my book because I did. You.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to let go of control when you have

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>a cancer diagnosis, because when you start being invested in

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the outcome, and that's all you're thinking about is the outcome.

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Will I live? Will I die well? And then you

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>have to kind of get to a point where saying, yeah,

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna die, We're all gonna die. I don't know

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going to die of breast cancer or if

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to die of something else, but accepting that

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and recognizing that you actually can't control ninety nine percent

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>of what happens to you. And so that did start

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>me on that path. But Jenny, I am still having

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to let go of control every day

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>in little moments, Arguments with TJ, arguments with my daughters. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>why do I need to win right now? Let them

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I actually love. I don't know if you've read s

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Mel Robbins, but yeah, definitely, I tell myself that let them,

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>let be, let it be what it is. So I'm

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>on the journey. I hope I can get to a

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>point where I can say that I have totally let

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<v Speaker 2>go of control. I'm I'm still working on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think you need to worry about that

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<v Speaker 1>being the end goal for you. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stop controlling if you can let go of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, is not going to control myself to not control anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Amy Roebuck. Before I let you go, what

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<v Speaker 1>was your last I Choose me moment?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say my therapy session I had a week ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeling I was feeling anxiety, I was feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like I didn't have my shit together, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm going to I'm going to talk to my therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I walked out of that room. I do

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<v Speaker 2>it on zoom, and I felt lighter. I felt, I

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 2>felt relaxed. I felt because I felt I was. I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm on the path I need to be on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know I'm not always going to stay on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to fall off it, but I know I

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<v Speaker 2>how to get back on it. And so yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>chose me in that moment because it wasn't what I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, but I knew it was an investment

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>in who I want to become. And so yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was my last I choose me a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. That's a beautiful moment. Good for you,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully somebody out there listening will yes listen to that

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and it'll resonate with them. Well, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy we got to chat today, like actually

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<v Speaker 1>talk without TJ and Dave around.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, Jenny, thank you. I loved it

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>talking with you two, and I love your podcast. I

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>love how empowering it is.

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Wait, we didn't talk about that we have a podcast together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do part two.

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<v Speaker 1>I do part two.

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't because we don't get it right the first

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>time a lot of us Nope, but the second time.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the second time fingers crossed for the third time

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>for both of us, that's the job. Thanks Samy, Thanks Jenny,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. I'm very excited to share that my book

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<v Speaker 1>I Use Me Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose and Embracing Reinvention

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<v Speaker 1>is coming April fourteenth, and it would mean the world

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>to me if you would pre order a copy or

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the audiobook wherever you get your books. And yes, I

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>am definitely narrating the audiobook. So it's going to be

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>so fun.