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Speaker 1: This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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Speaker 2: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on

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Speaker 2: these people.

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Speaker 1: You've not got a free shot.

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Speaker 3: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 4: I know you don't like hearing that.

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Speaker 1: I know you've tried to do everything in the world.

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Speaker 5: To stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

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Speaker 6: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 7: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 7: big line?

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Speaker 1: Mega media?

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Speaker 8: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 8: these people had a conscience.

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Speaker 5: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 9: If that answer is to save my country, this country.

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Speaker 1: Will be saved. Or use your host Stephen K.

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Speaker 2: Ba Hey, everyone, I want to talk about something important

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Speaker 2: today because it's time to get back to our roots

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Speaker 2: around free expression on Facebook and Instagram. I started building

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Speaker 2: social media to give people a voice. I gave a

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Speaker 2: speech at Georgetown five years ago about the importance of

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Speaker 2: protecting free expression and I still believe this today. But

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Speaker 2: a lot has happened over the last several years. But

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Speaker 2: the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes. Even

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Speaker 2: if they accidentally censored just one percent of posts. That's

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Speaker 2: millions of people, and we've reached a point where it's

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Speaker 2: just too many mistakes in too much censorship. More specifically,

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Speaker 2: here's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 7: First.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get rid of fact checkers and replace

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Speaker 2: them with community notes similar to X starting in the US.

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Speaker 2: The reality is that this is a trade off. It

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Speaker 2: means we're going to catch less bad stuff, but will

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Speaker 2: also reduce the number of innocent people's posts and accounts

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Speaker 2: that we accidentally take down. China has sensored our apps

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Speaker 2: been so difficult over the past four years. When even

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Speaker 2: the US government has pushed for censorship by going after

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Speaker 7: These people from the Biden administration would call up.

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Speaker 2: Our team and like scream at them and curse, and

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Speaker 2: it's like these documents there, it's all kind of out.

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Speaker 7: There to court any of those phone calls.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we were, but I think, oh, listen,

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Speaker 2: I mean there are emails. The emails are published, it's all,

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Speaker 2: it's all kind of out there, and they're like in.

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Speaker 7: Basic I can only handle so much of that.

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Speaker 5: It's thirteen January Monday and the year of our Lord,

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. And Mark Zuckerberg, for all the money

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Speaker 5: that you have, you need to get a better acting coach.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: The Biden regime officials, Mark, they custed at you and

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Speaker 5: your engineers. Wow. And you folded like I've never seen

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Speaker 5: anyone fold. The entire MAGA movement had what every arrow

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Speaker 7: Bannon, Peter Navarrow, Donald J.

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Speaker 5: Trump, and they stood in the breach and took it

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Speaker 5: And you folded, and you sold this country down the river,

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Speaker 5: so much so that you gave what nearly a billion

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Speaker 5: could become this country's next president. Maybe in all the

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Speaker 5: new hobbies that you're picking up in your free time,

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Speaker 5: whether it's what the jiu jitsu or the wakeboarding, whatever

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Speaker 5: you're posting to try to pretend and dupe this country

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Speaker 5: into thinking that you're a human, maybe you should start

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Speaker 5: reading history books and learn about the trials and tribulations

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Speaker 5: sir Mark Zuckerberg, have none of. Speaking of history, I'm

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Speaker 5: so glad what was it five years ago? Five years wow,

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Speaker 5: five years ago you lectured at Georgetown on free speech.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you for your contributions to humanity.

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Speaker 5: I am so embarrassed and appalled at so many people

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Speaker 7: There are so many people who have fallen for what.

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Speaker 7: It was on them.

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Speaker 5: They chose to do that, so you can accept the

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Speaker 5: I might seem super enthused or agitated right now, but

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Speaker 5: to go a little more shall we say, intellectual right

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Speaker 5: What you're witnessing right now, it shows you right in

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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, they infiltrated the White House, they infiltrated the

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Speaker 5: Now that we're actually legitimate opposition. They're pretending to be

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Speaker 5: They get the maga after what trying to spend what

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Speaker 5: four years of censoring US, deplatforming US, debanking US, throwing

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Speaker 5: don't know if you picked up in that video. It's

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Speaker 5: the fact that your website has been used to make

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Speaker 5: Its human smuggling and drug smuggling. The cartels love Facebook.

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Speaker 5: And then he has the nerve, by.

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Speaker 7: The way, I don't know about you.

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Speaker 5: I didn't hear the words sorry in any of those interviews,

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Speaker 5: our parameters were set to wide. Well, hang on, Mark,

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Speaker 7: Right, But I guess they're not very good at their job.

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Speaker 7: But it was a mistake.

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Speaker 5: Do you think it was a mistake when what everyone

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Speaker 5: The only reason that we even know about this stuff,

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Speaker 7: They were not fourth right.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure they told us they didn't even have

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Speaker 5: a little fact checking of our own because Mark Zuckerberg's says, oh, China,

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Speaker 5: a nice strong period on the sentence that you're fake

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Speaker 7: You have been spending.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know how long longer than probably I've

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Speaker 7: And the only reason that.

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Speaker 5: You're not a total sellout supplicant to them right now

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Speaker 5: is because they don't want you, because they understand the

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Speaker 5: threat of having a new tech oligarchic, monopolistic class of

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Speaker 7: So, oh, Natalie, you're being crazy. Well.

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Speaker 5: One of the stories that I broke many many years

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Speaker 5: Business Journalism School, which is an explicitly self declared Marxist

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Speaker 7: Facebook has even gone so far.

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Speaker 5: We can play the video, I don't want the sound

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Speaker 7: On the war room.

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Speaker 5: But that right there is the vice president of Facebook

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Speaker 7: But I thought Mark, I Mark said, Oh, we're going

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 5: Well, how about this, I'll read you the founding document

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Speaker 5: Our school has been actively exploring the theory and practices

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Speaker 7: And catch this.

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Speaker 5: Mark Zuckerberg as early as twenty fourteen was actually going

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Speaker 5: the courage and the convictions that every single January sixth prisoner,

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Speaker 5: And you had some weird, wacko bureaucrats say, hey, we

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Speaker 5: really think you should like censor this meme. They were

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Speaker 7: My suggestion.

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Speaker 5: All money that these tech oligarchs have donated to the inauguration,

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Speaker 7: That's not a deep fake that's real.

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Speaker 5: I will say I've tried the pro democracy flavor, not

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Speaker 5: If you think that that video is publishable something with

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Speaker 5: own Joe Rogan hubble suggestion, Normizen, Jen Rubin, not your

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Speaker 5: revolver where can they go to do all that? I

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Speaker 5: hope you don't post any videos like that or I

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Speaker 3: No, no, no democracy cooking shows, I promise Revolver dot News.

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Speaker 3: We have a big piece in the works on the

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Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at Darren Jbetty.

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Speaker 5: Darren, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have

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Speaker 5: you back soon. Thank you, Natalie, and just flagging you guys. Know,

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Speaker 5: I prety clinically watch Normalize and I think he, like

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Speaker 5: it or not, it's not a conspiracy theory. Even Meta

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Speaker 5: cannot fact check me on this. In twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 5: he acord believe it or not, I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 5: reporting the facts. Lectured in Los Angeles at the request

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Speaker 5: But you know, we're all about pattern recognition here in

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Speaker 5: the War Room. Just an interesting piece of data. The

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Speaker 5: next segment we're getting into very something. I'm very interested in,

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Speaker 5: how think tanks are all bought and paid for. But

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Speaker 7: And while you're at it, Warpath dot Coffee. You know

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Speaker 7: this short break.

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Speaker 1: Use your host, Stephen came the.

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Speaker 7: Welcome back to the War Room.

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Speaker 5: We are joined now by Ben Freeman of the Quincy Institute,

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Speaker 5: who broke news not too long ago, I think the

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Speaker 5: first time ever put up a really comprehensive sort of

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Speaker 5: think tank tracker showing how money flows whether it's from

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Speaker 5: the United States government, foreign governments, the military industrial complex, basically,

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Speaker 5: all the entities that want the policies that come out

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Speaker 5: of this great country, this capital that is just a

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Speaker 5: stone's throw away from me, don't benefit you, the American worker,

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Speaker 5: the American citizen, the American parent, the American family, whatever

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Speaker 5: you may be, but benefit them. And it seems like

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Speaker 5: the interests that they have are always at odds with

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Speaker 5: what you want. No conspiracies, no coincidences. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 5: Ben joins us. Now, Ben, I was reading through this report,

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Speaker 5: the numbers are just staggering. In the last what is

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Speaker 5: it a few years, more than one hundred and ten

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Speaker 5: million dollars to the top fifty think tanks in the

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Speaker 5: United States from foreign governments, defense companies have contributed over

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Speaker 5: thirty four point seven million, and over one point four

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Speaker 5: to nine billion from the United States government. Sort of

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Speaker 5: walk us through why you guys created this tracker, basically

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Speaker 5: presposing the idea that they are getting some form of ROI,

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Speaker 5: whether it's influencing government policy, propaganda narratives.

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Speaker 7: Why did you guys set out to do this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great question. Atlie first, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 4: We started this.

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Speaker 12: Project because we were looking at a lot of the

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Speaker 12: work that think tanks were doing, and a lot of

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Speaker 12: it seemed to indicate that maybe it was serving the

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Speaker 12: interests of some of their funders. So we did, I think,

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Speaker 12: what a lot of your viewers and you regularly do.

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Speaker 4: We decided to follow the money.

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Speaker 12: We decided to follow all of the money, and we

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Speaker 12: didn't realize how much money we were getting into. And ultimately,

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Speaker 12: as you mentioned, we dug up over one point five

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Speaker 12: billion dollars in total funding going to the top fifty

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Speaker 12: thing tanks.

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Speaker 4: In the US. And that's just over the past five years.

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Speaker 12: And to be clear, Natalie, that's just the tip of

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Speaker 12: the iceberg, because one really disturbing fact about think tank

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Speaker 12: funding is that think tanks aren't actually required to disclose

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Speaker 12: any of their funding. Whether it's from foreign government, the

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Speaker 12: US government, pentagon contractors, doesn't matter, they're not required to

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Speaker 12: disclose that information.

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Speaker 4: In fact, over a third of the thing tanks that we.

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Speaker 12: Looked at, eighteen of the fifty, disclose absolutely nothing about

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Speaker 12: their funding. And so all of these figures, as enormous

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Speaker 12: as they might be, we really think this is just

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Speaker 12: the tip of the iceberg. For the conflict of interest

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Speaker 12: going on at think tanks in.

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Speaker 5: The US, there's such a fixture of DC, right, I

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Speaker 5: think for those of us who've lived here and worked here,

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Speaker 5: they really are these sort of I think, originators of

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Speaker 5: so many of these, whether it's talking points, I'd call

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Speaker 5: it state sanctioned propaganda in some cases. But I'm just

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Speaker 5: curious because they do have the ability to you know,

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Speaker 5: AstroTurf these narratives.

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Speaker 7: Frankly, I think in some ways.

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Speaker 5: The Atlantic Councils of the World and the Brookings Institutions,

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Speaker 5: they're in some ways responsible for escalating, you know, everything

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Speaker 5: that's going on in Ukraine. They sort of created this

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Speaker 5: whole you know, democracy is dying and President Trump is

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Speaker 5: a you know, hilarian fashion like they really provided these

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Speaker 5: sort of academic muscle to back up these bogus theories.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just curious from your sort of you know,

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Speaker 5: meta bird's eye view analysis of what you think they're

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Speaker 5: looking for their ro I to be. Is this something

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Speaker 5: that's country specific, Is it issue specific in the case

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Speaker 5: of the defense contractors, is it just war? You know,

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Speaker 5: what what are they what are they looking for and

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Speaker 5: how are they trying to achieve their their you know,

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Speaker 5: stated goals. Is it by shaping political discourse the media?

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Speaker 5: How are they disseminating it?

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Speaker 12: I would say, unfortunately, it's all of the above. You know,

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Speaker 12: everything you mentioned there is absolutely spot on.

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Speaker 4: You know, at the end of the day, when when

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Speaker 4: a donor.

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Speaker 12: Gives a contribution to a think tank, these aren't really

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Speaker 12: charitable entities. You know, anybody who's been around d C

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Speaker 12: knows that folks at think tanks, you know, they're leading.

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Speaker 4: The media narratives.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're they're.

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Speaker 12: Being interviewed on you know, Fox, CNN, MSNBC two.

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Speaker 4: And they're they're.

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Speaker 12: Lobbying Congress, they're testifying before Congress. In some cases, think

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Speaker 12: tankers are even helping to write laws. So when these

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Speaker 12: foreign governments of the US government and pending on contractors

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Speaker 12: make a donation to a think tank, they're hoping to

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Speaker 12: get in on that, and they're hoping they can effectively

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Speaker 12: use think tanks at least in some level as an

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Speaker 12: influence broker for them. You know, that might mean helping

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Speaker 12: to shape a narrative in their favor in the media,

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Speaker 12: or you know, if you're a country like the United

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Speaker 12: Arab Emirates, as we found the UAE was far and

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Speaker 12: away the biggest foreign government owner to think tanks in

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Speaker 12: the US. The UAE over and over again wants us

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Speaker 12: to turn a blind eye to when to their latest

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Speaker 12: blunder in the world, whether it's in suiting in Yemen wherever,

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Speaker 12: other governments like Saudi Arabia that really eager to use

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Speaker 12: thing tanks to help the US to get into a

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Speaker 12: security pack that would be just disastrous for the US

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Speaker 12: and could start the next dayendless war. So depending on

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Speaker 12: who is giving them money, that really shapes what they

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Speaker 12: want to get back. But rest assured when there's a

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Speaker 12: donation coming to a think tank, there's always going to

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Speaker 12: be some strings attached to it.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think in the same way too with you know,

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Speaker 5: institutions of higher education academia, this loophole where they don't

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Speaker 5: have to report it. It's such a flagrant national security thread.

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Speaker 5: It's so obvious, but I guess it's sort of part

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Speaker 5: of the insider trade, the insider deal, right, They're not

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Speaker 5: going to regulate because it's their same donors and lobbyists

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Speaker 5: who are funding them. But you bring up the UAE,

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Speaker 5: obviously we focus very extensively and intensely on the Chinese

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Speaker 5: Communist Party and they're kind of influence pedaling going on town.

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Speaker 5: That was something that sort of shocked me from the

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Speaker 5: report that their numbers were sized like considerably less. But

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Speaker 5: is that more a symptom of the fact that they're

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Speaker 5: just not reporting it? It's sort of stealthy, sneakier or

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Speaker 5: who are some of the biggest shall we say, offenders

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Speaker 5: in terms of you know, the foreign countries and to

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Speaker 5: that point those two questions, but can you talk about

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Speaker 5: the United States government funding of some of these think

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Speaker 5: tanks as well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, those are wonderful questions.

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Speaker 12: You know, I'll start with the question of China because

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Speaker 12: you know, Franklin Natalie, that really shocked me too. We

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Speaker 12: found very very little funding coming from the CCP, and

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Speaker 12: I think there's a very clear reason for that. It's

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Speaker 12: that think tanks don't have to report funding from the

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Speaker 12: CCP or, as I mentioned, any foreign government for that matter,

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Speaker 12: or any donor for that matter. And because of that,

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Speaker 12: when you have a country that has a stigma on

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Speaker 12: and like the CCP does, if you are a think

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Speaker 12: tank accepting funding from them, you're just not going to

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Speaker 12: report it. You're just going to hide that you know

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Speaker 12: you're going to keep that as dark money. So again,

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Speaker 12: you know, I said this was the tip of the iceberg,

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Speaker 12: and I think if we look at that iceberg of

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Speaker 12: money that's below what we found here, I think you

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Speaker 12: would find a lot more money flowing in from the

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Speaker 12: CCP to US think tanks. But because of all these

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Speaker 12: loopholes in US laws right now, they just simply don't

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Speaker 12: have to report that. To your question about the US

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Speaker 12: government funding thing tanks, this was an important issue for

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Speaker 12: US because you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 12: you know.

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Speaker 4: I'm a taxpayer, you're a taxpayer.

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Speaker 12: I think one of the last things that we want

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Speaker 12: to see is that US taxpayer dollars going towards influencing

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Speaker 12: and you know, spreading propaganda to US taxpayers.

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Speaker 4: And yet what we documented was over a billion.

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Speaker 12: Dollars in US government funding going to the top fifty

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Speaker 12: thing tanks in the US. You know, in some cases

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Speaker 12: that goes to research that's only used within the government,

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Speaker 12: and you know, living folks might not have a problem

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Speaker 12: with that, but in other cases, you know, this is

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Speaker 12: going to very prominent thing tanks that are some of

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Speaker 12: those things tanks you mentioned, the Brookings of the World,

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Speaker 12: the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Atlanta Councils

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Speaker 12: of the World that are promoting what we would consider

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Speaker 12: a hawkish againta. You know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 12: at the Quincy Institute, we're already trying to end the

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Speaker 12: next da endless war. So when we see our taxpayer

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Speaker 12: dollars going to think tanks that are seemingly clamoring for

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Speaker 12: endless war, yeah, we're going to have a problem with that.

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Speaker 5: And I'm curious your thoughts as we you know, barrel

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Speaker 5: towards the second Trump administration. If you think the sort

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Speaker 5: of jogging around for think tanks to prop up these

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Speaker 5: you know, astroturfed narratives, whatever.

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Speaker 7: The issue may be.

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Speaker 5: I think maybe you're going to start seeing the you know,

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Speaker 5: open borders advocates and big labor they want all their

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Speaker 5: h onebs sort of come out of the would work,

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Speaker 5: although I guess maybe they never really want a way

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Speaker 5: to begin with. But how you think that this is

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Speaker 5: a force in term of again, it's not explicitly opposing Trump,

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Speaker 5: but just whoever the elected president is. In some ways

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Speaker 5: they sort of act as an unelected bureaucrat or an

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Speaker 5: unelected I think input into the policy debate. But the

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Speaker 5: to it, in the dark about who's really funding them.

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Speaker 7: Right, all these experts that.

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Speaker 5: They have, you know, testifying up on Capitol Hill, they're

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Speaker 5: not experts. They're pay for play crisis actors for whatever

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Speaker 5: the issue may be. But I'm curious your thoughts, particularly

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Speaker 5: come January twentieth, someone who has you know, been a

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Speaker 5: i would say, outspoken advocate of not continuing these unless

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Speaker 5: forever wars. If you think there's only going to be

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Speaker 5: more money plowed into these think tanks, yeah.

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Speaker 12: I really think with a new Trump administration, you know,

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Speaker 12: some of these funders might be unnotice I think towards

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Speaker 12: the tail end of the previous Trump administration, we saw

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Speaker 12: that Trump State Department issue one of the only meaningful

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Speaker 12: And then you know, Mike Pompeo State Department you know,

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Speaker 12: issued this to Cree than any anything tank that wanted

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Speaker 12: to do business with them had to fully disclose all

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Speaker 12: their foreign funders, and the Biden administration promptly abandoned that

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Speaker 12: and you know, did nothing with it. So we don't

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Speaker 12: have that level of disclosure anymore. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 12: I mean Trump two point zero here, I'm at least

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Speaker 12: hopeful that you know, you have an administration that is

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Speaker 12: concerned about this issue, cares about it, and that we're

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Speaker 12: going to see at least and efforts to bring more

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Speaker 12: transparency about foreign government funding of think tanks. So at

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Speaker 12: the end of the day, you know, somebody like President Trump,

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Speaker 12: he gets the game, you know, he know, he knows

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Speaker 12: what's going on here.

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Speaker 4: So we're very helpful that he'll help to brain this in.

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Speaker 5: And Ben, we have a very action oriented audience. They

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Speaker 5: love to be informed. If they want to use this database,

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Speaker 5: sort of look at the info that you've pulled. So

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Speaker 5: the next time they're watching hate, watching MSNBC or whatever

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Speaker 5: and they see some expert that's the probably the most

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Speaker 5: cheapened word in Washington, DC. That and maybe American citizenship.

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Speaker 5: But if they want to really look at where these

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Speaker 5: people are coming from, who's propping them up, where can

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Speaker 5: they go to do that? Is you know, how is

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Speaker 5: it operable? How can people sort of get all this information?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for asking.

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Speaker 12: You can find all of this information at think tank

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Speaker 12: fundingtracker dot org.

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Speaker 4: Everything I'd mentioned, we're given it all away.

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Speaker 12: You can look up whatever think tank you're interested in,

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Speaker 12: whatever foreign government defense contractor you want to see where

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Speaker 12: the US government's money's going. We've got it all freely

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Speaker 12: available to think tank fundingtracker dot org. If you want

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Speaker 12: a nerd like me to break it down for you,

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Speaker 12: you can check out our report on this at quincyinst

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Speaker 12: dot org. And if you want to follow me, I'm

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Speaker 12: on x at ben Premium DC.

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Speaker 5: Ben. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll have

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Speaker 5: you back on. I can only the hours that it

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Speaker 5: took to go through all of that, so thank you

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Speaker 5: for doing the hardcore work to get that out.

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Speaker 7: It's important work.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Of course, thank you to new study out today. I saw,

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Speaker 5: I think maybe the other side of the coin on

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Speaker 5: all this that I think over half of federal government

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Speaker 5: workers they were itemized as like federal government managers are

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Speaker 5: planning on resisting President Trump, whatever that may mean. And

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Speaker 5: I told you about the new group Civil Service Strong,

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Speaker 5: which of course has links to I guess newly found

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Speaker 5: stand up comedian Norm Eisen a group called Civil Service

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Speaker 5: Strong that is actively coaching federal bureaucrats on how to whistleblow,

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Speaker 5: how to file complaints, how to shall we say, throw

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Speaker 5: sand in the gears of the America First agenda. Like

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Speaker 5: I said, the real tell with that Rachel Maddow going

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Speaker 5: to broadcasting every single day of the week now I'm

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Speaker 5: sorry America, is that it's for the first one hundred

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Speaker 5: days of the Trump administration, and that they took Alex

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Speaker 5: Wagner off the beat to go and do on the

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Speaker 5: ground field reporting.

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Speaker 7: In other words, they're.

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Speaker 5: Going to want to have the sob stories of the

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Speaker 5: multi generational family that got to port. Okay, spare me.

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Speaker 5: We're about America First here, and we're not going to

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Speaker 5: fall for your what appeal to uh not logos probably

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Speaker 5: just more pathos and ethos Over at MSNBC. We're not

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Speaker 5: falling for it, and we're not falling for your transition.

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Speaker 5: Mark Zuckerberg, like I said, I've seen transgender surgeries that

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Speaker 5: are more convincing that you're a newfound maga love.

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Speaker 7: And I'm a tough critics.

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Speaker 5: You got to be checking out virtual dot com slash

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Speaker 5: a ban intertexting ban into nine eight nine eight nine

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Speaker 5: eight will be right back after the short break with

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Speaker 5: a very triggering cold open kind of cringe.

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Speaker 7: Get ready.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I put in the application for a presidential pardon

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Speaker 8: because I believe that Joe Biden has the same responsibility

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Speaker 8: to me that he had to his own son, and

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Speaker 8: I would expect that the same exact pardon that he

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Speaker 8: gave his son has to go to me and to

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Speaker 8: anybody else that's on that enemy's list, whether they want

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Speaker 8: it or not. Because I assure you solitary confinement where

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Speaker 8: I did fifty one days, sucks.

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Speaker 13: Michael Cohen, I believe wholeheartedly that the solitary confinement was

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Speaker 13: just a terrible experience for you.

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Speaker 4: And I think your point.

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Speaker 13: About the enemies of the proverbial enemies list right is.

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Speaker 1: A good one.

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Speaker 13: I wonder have you heard anything back from the administration.

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Speaker 13: It is my understanding that two things the administration. One

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Speaker 13: is not going to give a part to anybody that

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Speaker 13: doesn't want one. So folks who have prominently gone out

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Speaker 13: and said I do not want to pardon the president

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Speaker 13: is now to issue a pardon to people that don't

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Speaker 13: want one.

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Speaker 7: But two don't change you in mind.

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Speaker 8: When they're sitting behind closed doors that I can assure

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Speaker 8: you they're going to kick themselves in the backside for

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Speaker 8: that one.

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Speaker 13: I think hindsight will always be twenty twenty. I guess

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Speaker 13: my question is have you heard from the Biden administration?

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Speaker 1: And I am struck by.

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Speaker 13: Your your, your your comparing yourself and Hunter Biden. And

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Speaker 13: I wonder if, well, I'm going to tell you Michael

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Speaker 13: Causes on National TV we have a conversation. I don't

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Speaker 13: necessarily think that's your best way to go get apart.

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Speaker 13: And I mean, Hunter Biden is the president's last surviving son.

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Speaker 13: But your point, your other point, why, I do think, is.

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Speaker 1: Some product son. Also, by the way.

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Speaker 13: Agreed, you are somebody's son, but I mean to be

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Speaker 13: very clear, you're not the president's son.

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Speaker 5: Michael Cohen, do you remember when he would run around

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Speaker 5: doing the lapse in media? Mister tough guy? Right, how

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Speaker 5: times have changed, Bro. I don't think you need a pardon.

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Speaker 5: I think you need some testosterone or some TRT that

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Speaker 5: has to be I think thus far in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 5: the most embarrassing media clip that I have seen yet

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Speaker 5: grobbling on MSNBC to the point where they're mocking you,

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Speaker 5: where Simone frickin' Sanders is giving you like life advice

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Speaker 5: like in a Kumbaya trying to help you on live TV.

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Speaker 5: But it goes back to the Zuckerberg conversion stuff. All

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Speaker 5: of these men who were so tough, who celebrated the

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Speaker 5: Jan sixers going to prison, celebrated Steve Bannon going to prison,

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Speaker 5: celebrated and mocked Peter Navarro, mocked the assassination attempt, censor

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Speaker 5: the assassination attempt against President Trump on Facebook.

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Speaker 7: They were so tough, such real men, and now.

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Speaker 5: Gets a little tough because they know that the investigations

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Speaker 5: are coming and they fold like I've never seen. Compare

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Speaker 5: and contrasts that with what Stephen K. Bannon did when

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Speaker 5: I sat here for four months because he was in

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Speaker 5: a federal prison, when Peter Navarro every day was sitting

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Speaker 5: down for a misdemeanor and a felony correction center. Every

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Speaker 5: single thing that they have thrown against President Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 5: including not one, but two assassination attempts, and they'll probably

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Speaker 5: be more because they're that deranged. And these real strong

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Speaker 5: men have continued showing up and fighting for this country

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Speaker 5: just like you guys, this audience. You've been tested one

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Speaker 5: thousand times over than Michael Cohen or Mark Zuckerberg any

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Speaker 5: of these people, and you've emerged victorious, and now these

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Speaker 5: people are doing sob story CRIMEA River laps on MSNBC

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Speaker 5: groveling for preemptive blanket pardons. I mean let that sink in.

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Speaker 5: I mean, patch yourself on the back. First. Think about

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Speaker 5: how embarrassing and cringe these people are.

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Speaker 7: It's truly remarkable. And I stand by what I said.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Mark Zuckerberg too, you get a two for one

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Speaker 5: deal on some TRT and just some common sense and

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Speaker 5: I don't know, stop committing crimes so you don't need

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Speaker 5: blanket preemptive part and stop hating this country more than

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Speaker 5: you love yourselves and your globalist agendas that you're using

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Speaker 5: to destroy this country and displace American workers and start

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Speaker 5: more endless forever wars and then cry and victim blame

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Speaker 5: the American people for spreading misinformation and then euphemizing it

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Speaker 5: that you're censoring us because you care so much about democracy.

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Speaker 7: Just stop, and then.

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Speaker 5: You won't have to emasculate yourself publicly on TV for

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Speaker 5: the sake of everything. Normiz and I'll throw that cringe

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Speaker 5: video into just stop, absolutely absurd. Someone who is going

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Speaker 5: to us now, who I know is definitely not. The

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Speaker 5: master mind behind bank rolling normalizes new contrarian outlet is

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Speaker 5: the one and only Mike Lindell who joins us. Now,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you're getting excited getting ready for all the

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Speaker 11: Well, you guys, you know we all have we launched

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Speaker 11: Or called the call center. I'm in Minnesota right now.

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Speaker 11: I'm actually going to be going downstairs nally and taking

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Speaker 11: So that'll be kind of fun going back in time.

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Speaker 5: Whatever you do, don't give Mark Zuckerberg a my pillow

873
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Speaker 5: promo code as he tries to complete his maga conversion.

874
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Speaker 7: That's how you know your full maga.

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Speaker 11: It happened. What's going on there? I can't believe it.

876
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 11: I mean, he wouldn't let me use my image before

877
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Speaker 11: the twenty twenty election and on my pillow ad I

878
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Speaker 11: had to take my face out of the aird because

879
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Speaker 11: I was so branded with the president. And what a

880
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Speaker 11: shameful thing the stuff he did back then. And now

881
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Speaker 11: you're gotting you know they don't.

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Speaker 7: Call him subsolute discress.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, war room is conversion therapy for rhinos. I stand

884
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Speaker 5: by it, and Mark Zuckerberg thinks about no things. Thank

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Speaker 5: you guys for hanging with me. I'll see y'll soon

886
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Speaker 5: have a good one.