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Speaker 1: Ron An Anian.

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Speaker 2: It's something that they're just going to put a factory

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Speaker 2: read man unit in. And I see a lot of

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Speaker 2: trans shops doing that. Now, you know, transmissions have gotten

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Speaker 2: to the point of complication and expense to build them

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Speaker 2: in the field. Is it's impractical?

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Speaker 3: It isn't any sticking a drag scene.

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Speaker 2: The Car Doctor. If you power break it just a touch,

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Speaker 2: does the noise go away? Sometimes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it never does it neutral only.

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Speaker 3: In the drive.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian, the

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car

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Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on

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Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal,

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Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage doors

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Speaker 1: are open.

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Speaker 2: But I am here to take your calls at eighty

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Speaker 2: five five five six nine hundred and now pee.

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Speaker 1: Running.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about culture. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about the word car culture. Okay, the phrase, the expression what.

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Speaker 3: Does it mean?

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Speaker 2: You know, whether you realize it or not, you are

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Speaker 2: immersed in a culture of cars. You are you are living, breathing, eating, walking,

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Speaker 2: talking in this moment of what it means to be

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Speaker 2: either driving a car, owning a car, repairing a car,

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Speaker 2: associated with cars. There is a culture to this, There

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Speaker 2: is a whole persona of what it is, and we're

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Speaker 2: passing right through it. Right we're living through this history

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Speaker 2: at this moment, and some of us have lived through

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Speaker 2: a little more of it, those of us that are older.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can say I live through the culture

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Speaker 2: of the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, good god, the

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Speaker 2: two thousands. You know, it just it just goes on

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Speaker 2: and on. Rick Lorenzen, who was from southern California, past

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Speaker 2: away two weeks ago at the age of eighty two,

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Speaker 2: and he started the Lions Automobilia Foundation, a museum, and

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Speaker 2: he was able to create a museum about the car

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Speaker 2: culture of southern California in the fifties, sixties, and seventies,

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Speaker 2: that time period that he grew up in. It's a microcosm.

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Speaker 2: It's a slice of time. And you read the news article.

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Speaker 2: It was a news article put out recently by Mark

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Speaker 2: Vaughan upon car life, and it talks about what it

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Speaker 2: was like for him to grow up in that time period.

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Speaker 2: And you read the article and you say that this

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Speaker 2: really happened. It's like you're reading a story about something

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Speaker 2: from Mars, like it couldn't have been it's just so crazy,

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Speaker 2: but it was. It was that slice of history. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I think is missing from today's cars. That's

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Speaker 2: what's different about today's cars. Nobody's going to build a

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Speaker 2: museum that talks about a twenty twenty four vehicle. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: going to talk about hot ritting a Hellcat Chrysler. It's

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Speaker 2: just not going to be. There's something different about it.

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Speaker 2: I can't quite put my finger on it. You know,

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Speaker 2: the car has changed to us, right, the autobile has

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Speaker 2: changed to us. We we I don't think we appreciated

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Speaker 2: in the numbers that we did thirty forty fifty years ago.

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Speaker 3: You don't see.

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Speaker 2: People washing their cars anymore. You ever notice that it

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Speaker 2: used to be a big thing. Saturday morning, you'd be

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Speaker 2: out there in the driveway washing your car. Now, I

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Speaker 2: know you can't work on it like you once did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's obvious, right, We've got to all agree

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Speaker 2: to that. That the the you know, it's it's just

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Speaker 2: it's complicated. It's involved the computer, the technology, and working

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Speaker 2: be there are just such garbage that you're constantly reinventing

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Speaker 2: You know, it becomes it becomes a mission, it becomes

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Speaker 2: undertow of we can get this done working on an

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Speaker 2: older car. I brought the shop to a standstill yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna tell you the story, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I brought the shop to a standstill yesterday. Unintentionally, I

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Speaker 2: I got the cruise on and headers open the whole way,

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Speaker 2: at it, the right rear tail lamp was out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And I want to know if GM's going to warranty this,

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Speaker 2: in the car that's almost seventy years old. The way

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Speaker 2: General Motors cast the tail lamp in nineteen fifty four

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Speaker 2: when they were making the fifty fives, they put the

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the process is. I think they

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Speaker 2: just soldered it in there. I think it was just

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Speaker 2: up over time, and it was preventing the tail light

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Speaker 2: that we could have a good ground Now. It was

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Speaker 2: just so at this moment, all right, to compound the

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Speaker 2: story even further, and to make it more kind of hilarious,

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Speaker 2: that my illustrious chief engineers showed up for service on

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Speaker 2: his four hundred thousand miles four to escape. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: the illustrious Tom Ray, So, Danny, I and Tom, three

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Speaker 2: of us. We just we stopped the shop. We're going

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Speaker 2: to fix this tail light. We're going to figure out what's.

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Speaker 3: Wrong with this?

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Speaker 2: And we, you know, took a meter. We went across

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Speaker 2: something and you know, okay, we've got corrosion.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it was just fourteen olms, was it?

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Speaker 2: Fourteen holms? Which is enough that vultage to cause grief, right,

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Speaker 2: And we said, okay, we've got to come up with

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Speaker 2: because there's that parts problem again, right, And the culture

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Speaker 2: you saw three guys with no ego. No, I can

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Speaker 2: do this better than you know. Hey, you know this

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Speaker 2: is boring. Everybody dived in head first and got creative.

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Speaker 2: How are we going to do this? How are we

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Speaker 2: going to fix this tail lamp? We took a ground

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Speaker 2: we ground away a little of the surface coating that

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Speaker 2: which is kind of ironic because the corrosion built up

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Speaker 2: the fourteen homes of resistance such that the ball wouldn't

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Speaker 2: work anymore. And we took a wire, flattened it, and

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Speaker 2: and you splay your fingers out. We splayed the wire

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Speaker 2: into the crack, soldered it all right, and then cut

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Speaker 2: that wire, found a reasonably close fact similar to an islet,

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Speaker 2: something that would have looked like from nineteen fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Roughed it up a little bit, because you know, black

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Speaker 2: has to always look like she's from fifty five. It's

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Speaker 2: and you'll never find you'll never find what we did,

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Speaker 2: all right. We took the unless you really take the

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Speaker 2: tail imp apart, we took the islet, we connected it together.

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Speaker 2: Then we took a self tapping screw and went from

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Speaker 2: the back of the housing and we just drilled the

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Speaker 2: the top of the screw and painted the inside of

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Speaker 2: have painted it and fifty five or should have painted

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Speaker 2: it in fifty five, I'd paint the inside of my

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Speaker 2: tail lamp's white to give greater luminosity, more reflection. And

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Speaker 2: it was fixed and it works great, and it works

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Speaker 2: just like it was intended to work. There's a culture

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Speaker 2: to repairing cars, new or old. There's a mindset, there's

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Speaker 2: a mentality if you appreciate cars for what they are

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Speaker 2: and what they can do. You know, it was like, God,

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Speaker 2: I got home last night and the wife said, gee,

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Speaker 2: how was worked? That was great?

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Speaker 3: What'd you do?

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Speaker 2: I worked on the hot rod? It just it just

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Speaker 2: cleared my mind out of to get away from all

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Speaker 2: the other stuff that just makes no sense. And we

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Speaker 2: had this stuff that makes no sense this week. The

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Speaker 2: parts that we can't get of, parts that came wrong

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Speaker 2: of You look at things and think how idiotic this

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Speaker 2: is the way it's designed. It was a simple tail lamp.

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Speaker 2: It had corrosion. We bypassed the corrosion. We fixed the

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Speaker 2: problem that GM designed into that car sixty nine years ago,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy, right. You know, they made

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Speaker 2: mistakes back then too, just like they make mistakes now,

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Speaker 2: not just GM, all car companies. There's a culture to cars.

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Speaker 2: There's this moment in history that we're living through, which

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Speaker 2: is just what we're going to see be recorded for

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Speaker 2: what it is. Rick Lorenzen did. If you ever let

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Speaker 2: down Southern California Way, you can visit the museum. It's

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Speaker 2: dedicated to you know, and it's down in San Gabriel,

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Speaker 2: all right, and it's dedicated to that time period of Lions,

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Speaker 2: dragstrip and the car culture and hot rods and people

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Speaker 2: being I like to think of them as being mechanically

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Speaker 2: creative because they're resolving problems that that knowingly or unknowingly

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Speaker 2: a car company or an engineer instilled in a vehicle,

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Speaker 2: and they're making it better. And that's what hot rotters

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Speaker 2: really are, all right. And I got to stress the

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Speaker 2: fact that I think whether you're modifying a new vehicle

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Speaker 2: or an old vehicle, you're still a hot rodder at heart.

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Speaker 2: You're making an improvement, you're creating the culture for that

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Speaker 2: time period of which you which of wish you wish

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Speaker 2: to dedicate your passion? Something to think about car culture?

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Speaker 2: Are you living it to your fullest? Come on back

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it some more. At eight five

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Speaker 2: five five six oh ninety nine hundred. I'm ronnin eighty

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Speaker 2: in the Car Doctor, and I'll be here waiting for you.

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Speaker 2: Don't go away, You'll have done.

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Speaker 4: What's more fun than listening to Ron an Ay in

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Speaker 4: the Car Doctor and getting that car fixed? Right?

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Speaker 2: Eight five to five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 2: Give on a call.

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Speaker 4: Now back to Ron.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's wander over to Billion Colorado Billy. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the Car Doctor. At eight five, five hundred, Let's talk

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Speaker 2: about Euro six hond Acord. How can I help.

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Ron, Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, so it's an

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Speaker 4: six Accord V six hybrid. Came to me with a

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Speaker 4: check engine light. I pulled a P four fifty seven

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Speaker 4: for a large EVAP leak, okay, and before breaking into

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Speaker 4: it to smoke it, I ran the EVAPP monitor actuation

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Speaker 4: test on the scanner and as it was going through

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Speaker 4: the tests, I saw that most of the time the

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Speaker 2: Okay, So so the four or five seven is gone? Yes,

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Speaker 4: You wonder I thought it was very strange.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you wonder what you wonder what that's about.

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Speaker 4: So you know, listen, let's say it might have been

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Speaker 2: then then why the four five won? But you know

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Speaker 2: else as information is. It's just a three wire sensor, right,

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Speaker 2: it off two and a half vaults on the scan tool.

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Speaker 2: Are you seeing that on the scan too? You seeing

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: And if you take the guess cap off, does it change?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you apply vacuum, they what You've got the

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Speaker 4: I have it out of the out of the canister now, yes,

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Speaker 2: Okay. So we've got to say then that the sensors

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Speaker 4: I supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna see, you know, you're going to see

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Speaker 2: and you're going to see it go up as vacuum exists.

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Speaker 2: If I recall correctly, all right, your.

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Speaker 4: Scale the opposite actually bolt, yeah, Okay, voltage goes down

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Speaker 2: Okay, So but it sweeps in one direction and then

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Speaker 4: I was wondering about that. It had the second fitting,

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Speaker 2: Right. You know, if you take that sensor and hold

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Speaker 2: that won't work either. And then where did the four

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Speaker 2: the sweep of it. It's it's saying that the range

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Speaker 2: see it? Right?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So you're going to.

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Speaker 4: See two point four nine, and I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, ten percent, all right, ten

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Speaker 2: if it's if they're failing that off a one tenth

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's right, it's one hundredth of a vault.

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Speaker 2: That's you know. I wonder if it has to do

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Speaker 2: The other question I've got is can we check this

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Speaker 2: You know, can we backprobe it and just verify the

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Speaker 2: does a meter match what the scan what the what

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Speaker 2: what if somebody is lying to us? Okay, right, what

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Speaker 2: if it's what if it's a made up value? All right?

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Speaker 2: I don't think Honda did that back in two thousand

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Speaker 2: want to verify it every which way I can, you know,

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Speaker 2: now does it look like the original sensor in the car?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Is?

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Speaker 4: This thing's never been down. It doesn't look like that

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Speaker 2: Did you have to take the tank down to get

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Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's it's off the canister, not the

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Speaker 2: Right. Six? Okay? Okay, So but yet when you do

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Speaker 4: No, it fails. I want to get the four to

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Speaker 2: That's our that's I wonder what's wrong with the canister?

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Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder if something in the canister.

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Speaker 4: So like what I was wondering is you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: Was bad, But then we would see a change, right,

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Speaker 2: But we wouldn't see we wouldn't see a change in

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Speaker 4: Right. Well, I mean, how are.

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Speaker 2: You how are Let's back up a second. Something just

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Speaker 2: occurred to me. How are you sweep testing the sensor?

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Speaker 2: You're you're letting the car test itself.

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Speaker 4: So I'm doing a manual test. I've got with the

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Speaker 4: pressure a vacuum and making sure that it sweeps. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sit tight, Bill, I want to come back to this.

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Speaker 2: I've got an idea in my head. I think our

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Speaker 2: problems in the canister and I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: that O ring sealed too. So don't go anywhere. I'm

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Speaker 2: ronning Amy in the car.

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Speaker 4: Doctor.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Ronnie in the car. Doctor. Bill, you're still there.

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Speaker 2: I am, okay. It occurred to me while we were

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Speaker 2: sitting here waiting. How are you testing that? Did you

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Speaker 2: you looking at it on a vault meter?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, right now, just a scan I can back

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Speaker 2: That's what we want to do, because the scan tool

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing labscope. I don't know why that's on me,

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Speaker 2: but that sensor signal changes so fast. The reason it's

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Speaker 2: setting the fault because I'm thinking about why the PCM

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Speaker 2: what quality or what level of scan tool are you using.

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Speaker 4: It's basically the app on the phone, right, okay, it

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Speaker 2: Okay. I would be curious if you compared that to

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Speaker 2: when I say a vault meter, you know a fluke

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Speaker 2: And keep in mind, I've actually seen this. I can

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Speaker 2: I think you want to test this using a meter,

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Speaker 2: and I bet you're going to find that that that

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's one of three things, right, It's it's

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Speaker 2: I can't see it being the PCM. They don't. The

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Speaker 2: failure rate is probably one percent. Okay, sensors are more likely,

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Speaker 2: and then we've got to get into wiring and connections.

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Speaker 2: The fact that it came in with it was sold

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Speaker 2: my mind, I'm thinking somebody was picking at this for

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it wasn't sold to me. This is my

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh okay, gotcha. All right, so you're doing you're

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Speaker 2: at let's look at this with a vault meter. Don't

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Speaker 2: to get codes. It's okay, way to read sensor values.

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Speaker 2: But for example, I can hook up an OBD two

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Speaker 2: They the speed of the processors and how the CPUs

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Speaker 2: work within those tools varies a great deal. So what

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Speaker 4: I just have a digital one, but I can get

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Speaker 4: an analog if you can go to be good or I.

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Speaker 2: Can get the digital one. Is fine. Just as long

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Speaker 2: way to do a graph? To read a graph? Do

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Speaker 2: you every way to read a graph on the scan tool?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I can graft the values on the scan tool.

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Speaker 2: I was going to start with that when you when

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Speaker 2: use just put up the FTP value and nothing else

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Speaker 2: more than one. All you need to do is read

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Speaker 2: voltage because more than one, more than one PID will

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Speaker 2: slow the tool down. Right, all right, but keep that

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Speaker 2: number in your head. It's seeing. The reason the code

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Speaker 2: of an inch of vacuum if I recall the number correctly.

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Speaker 2: So it's looking for a pimple on the flies behind.

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Speaker 4: So that's so if it sees changes of a tenth

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So basically, it's seeing too many changes, right, too many updates.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's not seeing smooth it's not seeing it's not

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for spikes, right, you're.

437
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: Looking for spikes, all right, it's not seeing a smooth transition.

438
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: It's not seeing a smooth graph. Got to remember, the

439
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: computer can't The computer can only interpret things electrically. It

440
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: can't see what we can see as far as far

441
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: as the O ring is concerned. You know, I could

442
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: see the O ring contributing if it thought there was

443
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Speaker 2: a leak here. But typically an O ring will create

444
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: not a four fifty seven, it'll be a smaller leak.

445
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: It'll be less than the twenty thousands of an inch vacuum.

446
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: You know, and you're smoking.

447
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Speaker 4: This, I haven't yet.

448
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: Okay, Remember, smoke creates what do you got to smoke machine?

449
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Speaker 2: Half a psi?

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that.

451
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sometimes smoke expands the O ring. How about we

452
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Speaker 2: take it. How about we take a little bit of

453
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Speaker 2: yellow grease on? Everybody else calls it white grease, To me,

454
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: it's yellow grease. Howbout we take a little yellow grease,

455
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Speaker 2: just mush it around the O ring and just use

456
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Speaker 2: that to seal it and see if that makes any

457
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Speaker 2: change in how the system operates.

458
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll only smoke it if the four

459
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Speaker 4: fifty seven comes back right, well, when it goes back.

460
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Speaker 2: In, yeah, just to see does that make a change?

461
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Speaker 2: All right? And then I just I don't think this

462
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: is anything related to anything you're doing. But do we

463
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Speaker 2: have any cobwebs in that canister creating any problems? You know?

464
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Speaker 2: Can we look? Can we look? And yeah? Can we

465
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Speaker 2: look inside? And just think about spiders and bugs and

466
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: slugs and you know, it would be interesting if you

467
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Speaker 2: ran the test. Can you run the test? Sure you could,

468
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Speaker 2: you could run the f Did you run the FTP

469
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Speaker 2: test out of the canister? But you can't because then

470
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Speaker 2: the canister is not sealed right, and there's nothing and

471
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Speaker 2: there's nothing pulling on it. I wonder what happened if

472
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Speaker 2: you ran the sensor out of the canister? How it

473
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Speaker 2: would fail? Right?

474
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Speaker 4: Well? I don't know what test to run at that point.

475
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Speaker 4: I mean, the the test is is opening closing valves

476
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Speaker 4: and then checking the resulting pressure on the FTP right

477
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Speaker 4: right right, So when it opened the purge valve, I

478
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Speaker 4: saw the pressure drop on the FTP.

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Speaker 3: Okay, went to a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking in the back of my head, I

481
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Speaker 2: wonder if I can lie to the computer. I want

482
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Speaker 2: to see at the computer. I wonder what the computer

483
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Speaker 2: would do, what it would set if you left the

484
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Speaker 2: FTP out of the canister and ran the test anyway,

485
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't see any change. At least we'd prove the

486
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Speaker 2: rationality of that, right.

487
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Speaker 4: But it would it would probably throw ELAK code since

488
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Speaker 4: the cannister's open.

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Speaker 2: Right it should, and it would show.

490
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it would show no response from the FTP

491
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Speaker 4: when it applied vacuum to it.

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Speaker 2: Right correct. At least you could put your finger over

493
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Speaker 2: that hole where the FTP wasn't do you feel vacuum there?

494
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Speaker 4: Okay?

495
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Speaker 2: Right? In other words, in other words, we're going to

496
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Speaker 2: use We're going to use the computer against itself and

497
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Speaker 2: test every think, test everything else's functionality. We know it

498
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Speaker 2: should set some sort of an FTP fault. We know

499
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Speaker 2: what should apply vacuum there, right, We're we're ensuring everything

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Speaker 2: else in the system works, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, remembering what it did and it did. It did

502
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Speaker 4: apply vacuum, and it did drop the voltage on me

503
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Speaker 4: on the ITTP when it did. So there was a response.

504
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Speaker 2: Right, I'm trying to get us back to tell me

505
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Speaker 2: what's good. I'll tell you what's bad. At least. I

506
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: just want to see everything else work, because it's still

507
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Speaker 2: weird that you had the four fifty seven and now

508
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: you've got a four to fifty one. It's so weird, right,

509
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: So there's no there's no there's no rationale there.

510
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Speaker 4: That's why I was thinking about the O ring because

511
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Speaker 4: that could cause.

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Speaker 2: Both, right, but it would have to be A four

513
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Speaker 2: to fifty seven is a large leak. It's a forty

514
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Speaker 2: thousands of an inch leak. That's a that's a guess.

515
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: That's it's still soft. Yeah, the O ring is still soft.

516
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Speaker 2: An O ring is typically a twenty thousand. It's leak,

517
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: you know. For that matter, take the guest cap off

518
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: and run the EVAP test. Will it create will it

519
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: create a four to fifty seven? Make the system?

520
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 4: You know, I should suspect that's where the four fifty

521
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Speaker 4: seven came from. Know why I didn't get a four

522
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Speaker 4: to fifty one when I first checked it?

523
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Speaker 2: Right, try and duplicate it. Well, there's an order and

524
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: I got to go. But there's a priority of failure, right, Bill,

525
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of all right. You know there's

526
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Speaker 2: a priority of failure. If it sees a four to

527
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Speaker 2: fifty seven, it's not going to run a test for

528
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: four to fifty one or anything else. Right, there's a

529
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Speaker 2: sequential that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Though the owner had the gas cap loose, it ran

531
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Speaker 4: itself test right and dumped the four fifty one because

532
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: it couldn't get past the four fifty seven.

533
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Right, Right, Everything is sequential sense, right, there's there's there's

534
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: always you know, if you hurt your ankle playing street hockey,

535
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: but yet your knee swells up. First you go to

536
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: the doctor. He says, yeah, your your ankle's cock eyed,

537
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: but we're gonna fix your knee first. There's always a

538
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: sequence of events of how a car tests itself. Also,

539
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: your body works the same way. Call me back, let

540
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: me know what you find. We'll figure it out. We'll

541
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Speaker 2: do all right, Bill, be well, you're welcome. Thanks, you're welcome.

542
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car doctor. I'll be back

543
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: right after this. Welcome back, run an inny in the

544
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: car doctor. It's important in a diagnosis. My mistake there

545
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: with Bill was, you know, I'm hearing labscope in my

546
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: head and it's not it's as I sat here thinking

547
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: through it. We've got to get on the same page.

548
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: And this is the problem with technology, right. We're hampered

549
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: by sometimes lack of tools or different tools and different speeds.

550
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: You know, I think about the class where we actually

551
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: make could display and you're the I. You know, if

552
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: you're not looking at it on a lab scope and

553
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: then looking back at a pre recorded function of it,

554
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: your eye won't see the change, but the scope will.

555
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: The scope is faster than the eye if you're using

556
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: a good one. And the same can be said about

557
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: your voltmeter. So it's just it's just really super important

558
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: the equipment you're using for the record. I'm not a

559
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: fan of phone apps as far as for scan tools,

560
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: because you're limited by the CPU process or speed of

561
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: the phone itself. So you know, it's okay to pull

562
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: codes for data and data stream got to have a

563
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: handheld er. You got to have a PC based scan

564
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: tool not running any virus software. That's just a more

565
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: or less a standalone item all by itself. So just

566
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Speaker 2: just just be aware of that. So, but Billy, if

567
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: you're still listening, call me back. Let me know what

568
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: you find. I think you're going to find that there's

569
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: a glitch in that sensor or it's going to be

570
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: related to that gas cap fault, and we'll figure out

571
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: the strategy from there. Quick piece of email from Bill

572
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Speaker 2: in New Jersey. Hey, Ron, Bill from New Jersey. Okay,

573
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Speaker 2: changing my ninety five Chevrolet Cavalier oil the other day

574
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Speaker 2: after having returned from an antique car tour to Virginia

575
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Speaker 2: for the last eleven days shake down run for driving

576
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: to Wyoming on another antique car tour in July. I

577
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: use ten thirty full synthetic with the car having fifty

578
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: seven thousand miles on it. I changed my other regular

579
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Speaker 2: cars and antique ones. Yearly is a ninety five Chevy

580
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: Cavalier and antique Now wait a minute, how can that be?

581
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Speaker 2: I guess it is wow and antique ones Yearly. Antiques

582
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Speaker 2: not used much in regulars around three to five thousand

583
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Speaker 2: miles times a year, and I've always used conventional filters.

584
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Speaker 2: I use synthetic usually ten W thirty appropriate weight. I

585
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: do notice that a lot of the quality filters Napo,

586
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Speaker 2: Wix Pure later that are the first lowest cost in

587
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Speaker 2: their line, and that meat always specs say they are

588
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Speaker 2: they are for conventional oils. With the frequency of my

589
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Speaker 2: oil changes, I do not see the need for synthetic

590
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Speaker 2: filters and feel they should work fine. I wonder what

591
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: your opinion is, Bill, I agree hundred percent. I don't

592
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: see the value or the point of synthetic filters, you know,

593
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: not unless we're going super long distance. I think it's

594
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: more important to use a good quality oil obvious that

595
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: meets manufacturer spec and change that on a regular basis.

596
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: I think a good filter that's you know, meeting manufacturer spec.

597
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: The synthetic filters, you know. My understanding is they're trying

598
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: to go for distance in mileage. But again, you know,

599
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: we can have that conversation from now until next week

600
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: as far as what I think about these extended oil

601
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Speaker 2: change intervals, because I still see that's where the problems are.

602
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Even though people won't agree with me. But from the

603
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: guy in the bay that sees the engine failures and

604
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: sees the cost of engine repair. I still think an

605
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: oil change done in a timely manner, done correctly. So

606
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: I think a conventional oil filter for what you're doing

607
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: in the in the five thousand mile range, in the

608
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: six seven thousand mile range, I think you're fine. I

609
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: always go back to this, think of how many cars

610
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Speaker 2: are on the road in the country at any given time,

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Speaker 2: and how many cars are driven, and the oil changes

612
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: are done in that five to seven thousand mile interval.

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00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: Conventional filters oil that meets manufacturer specs and you don't

614
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Speaker 2: see engine fails. How many miles are they being driven

615
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: and you don't see engine failures. I think some of

616
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: the oil filter stuff is hype. I think they're creating

617
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Speaker 2: a spot in the market to sell stuff that I'm

618
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: not saying you don't need. But I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: as big a help as people make it out to be, because,

620
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Speaker 2: you know, order repair to me and maintenance to me

621
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Speaker 2: is a balance. It's it's looking at everything, considering everything

622
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: and trying to be equal. Don't focus solely on the

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Speaker 2: engine and ignore the transmission and the rest of the

624
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: drive line. Fluids. You know, you've got to look at

625
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: the entire car and consider the entire car by a

626
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: conventional filter. Let it meet o respect, make it good quality.

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Speaker 2: You're done. Eight five five five six ninetynine hundred. I'm

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Speaker 2: running any in the car doctor. I'll be back right

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Speaker 2: after this. Welcome back. I'm running eating of the car doctor.

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Speaker 2: Here five six zero nine nine zero Zero's the phone

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Speaker 2: little bit about I want to go in the shop

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Speaker 2: with your courtesy of autos on today and talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eleven Mazda that we had this week in the shop.

647
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Speaker 2: We had a CX seven in the shop, three liter

648
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Speaker 2: V six that was sitting a P zero one one six.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this car and then talking to

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Speaker 2: Bill this hour from Colorado. You know about information, and

651
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Speaker 2: sometimes information gets jumbled around, and I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: this Mazda at the same time, because that's what happened

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Speaker 2: with this car. We had a twenty eleven, as I said,

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Speaker 2: Mazda CX seven with a P zero one one six,

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Speaker 2: which was a variable valve timing solenoid fault. But if

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Speaker 2: you read the description, it's variable valve timing solenoid actuator,

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Speaker 2: which some of these sources of information call it. They

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Speaker 2: call it a solenoid actuator. Some call it a solenoid.

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Speaker 2: And it's difficult, right because you're trying to, you know,

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Speaker 2: in order repair. Auto repair is it's like a common

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Speaker 2: language mismanaged by too many people in that you know,

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Speaker 2: they call it one thing, but they mean for it

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Speaker 2: to be another. And there's some you know, there's some

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Speaker 2: intersection there where all of a sudden, nothing makes any sense. Well,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you need to see a picture. And I went

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Speaker 2: out to my autozonepro dot com website, and I was

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Speaker 2: able to look up there at AutoZone pro dot com

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Speaker 2: and look at a picture of the solenoid and realize

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Speaker 2: it's a solenoid, not an actuator. What the fault is.

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Speaker 2: I also went and looked at a wiring diagram and

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Speaker 2: I was able to discern and sort it out. But

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes a parts store gives you information, not

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Speaker 2: necessarily parts, but the information that gives you helps you

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Speaker 2: figure out what the parts are that you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Autozonepro dot com. I'm running any in the card doctor,

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Speaker 2: reminding you till the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 2: they're priceless. See you