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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. It's the top of the week,

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Speaker 3: which means it is time for strange news. Scientists in

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Speaker 3: Antarctica True Story are developing their own accents because of

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Speaker 3: the isolation. Yeah, did you guys see that.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk about it though that makes sense

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Speaker 4: from a sociological standpoint, but I can't wait to hear more.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're right now. It's just to mention because

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Speaker 3: we have a lot to get to and I think

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Speaker 3: we need to hear the accent develop more. So maybe

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Speaker 3: we can have an Antarctica on the show in the

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Speaker 3: future for an episode or an interview. We are also

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Speaker 3: going to learn about uh Yakuza nuke spuggling. If you

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Speaker 3: guys have did you read the news about.

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Speaker 5: That, surprise me. Ok So no is to is okay? Wow, jeez.

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Speaker 4: The they got their hands in all kinds of nefarious pies,

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Speaker 4: don't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the story for the yakuza smuggling broke uh pretty recently.

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Speaker 3: Earlier in February, as we're recording, a guy named Takashi

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Speaker 3: Ibisawa was already facing drug trafficking charges and then he

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Speaker 3: got caught selling uh two investigators attempting to sell uranium

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Speaker 3: make nuclear weapons. And the funny part about this is,

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Speaker 3: if humor does exist in this, is that this guy's

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Speaker 3: non nuclear scientists, he's no AQ con. The stuff he

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Speaker 3: It's like the raw substance you need to make these

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Speaker 3: things source from mead mar or burma as some call it.

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Speaker 3: And most likely he was just hoping to scam a

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Speaker 3: So this story is being widely reported in sort of

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Speaker 3: a panicky way, and I don't think, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that this is a panic moment, But

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Speaker 3: nuclear smuggling is going to be a thing, and it's

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Speaker 3: going to happen more and more often now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is the kind of thing you see

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Speaker 4: in like films, you know, usually it's sort of like

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Speaker 4: where there's like, you know, brokers for that kind of

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Speaker 3: And I love that you mentioned brokers, Noel, because that

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Speaker 3: takes us to one of the main things I wanted

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Speaker 3: with one of Doc Holiday's alter egos, Wendy's Burger Broker,

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Speaker 3: because Wendy's got in trouble recently. You know the mixtape

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Speaker 3: Legend Wendy's that also has a fast food joiner too.

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Speaker 4: They're one of those like kind of fire social media

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, check out the Wendy's mixtape. Rest in Greece

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Speaker 3: is a stem to stern Banger The Clown is about

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Speaker 3: a certain rival you could imagine. It turns out that

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Speaker 3: despite being so fluent in the language of social media.

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Speaker 3: Wendy's had a bit of a misstep recently because on

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Speaker 3: their most recent earnings call, they announced or the CEO announced,

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Speaker 3: that they were going to use dynamic pricing. I want

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Speaker 5: You see that, right, I think we accept it with

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Speaker 4: The ticketmaster thing caused a big old stink though, because

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Speaker 4: But it did seem to be hurting people in terms of,

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Speaker 3: And we see this also occur in it a related

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Speaker 3: and change things with a different price. For many people,

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Speaker 3: supply and demand. And that seemed to be what CEO

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Speaker 3: will begin testing more enhanced features like dynamic pricing and

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Speaker 3: So to unpack that, what that means is you could

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Speaker 4: I mean, aren't you already kind of paying the price

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Speaker 3: good point. That's definitely a cost to it. The way

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Speaker 3: what the public said, pretty unanimously, seemed to be something

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Speaker 3: more long lines of we think this is price gouging.

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Speaker 3: We think that you are going to use information against

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Speaker 3: us to slowly, you know, like boiling the frogs, to

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Speaker 3: slowly normalize higher prices. And that's exactly what happened with

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Speaker 3: all old enough to remember before the Kroger Plus card.

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Speaker 2: And we also remember when the Kroger Plus card did something. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Now it's it's very it's almost like it doesn't do

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Speaker 2: to block a merger between Albertson's and Kroger because they're like,

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Speaker 2: y'all are gonna prevent competition again. You can't spend twenty

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Speaker 3: Right right, be the masters of the food, I guess.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, if you're a member of like you know,

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Speaker 4: and maybe you wouldn't get those if you remember, But

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Speaker 4: you're right, Matt. It used to be much more like

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Speaker 4: you'd see little line items on your receipt for a

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Speaker 4: discount that was applied because of that membership. And I think, yeah,

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Speaker 4: maybe I don't look at my grocery bills that closely,

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Speaker 2: They took most of that functionality away, and now they've

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Speaker 2: moved to the app functionality where if you actually want

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Speaker 2: to get discounts at Kroger, you have to go on

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Speaker 2: their app, add the coupons and all of that stuff

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Speaker 2: to your virtual number or whatever you get the thing.

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Speaker 2: But it's like it's gamification in the face of actually

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Speaker 3: Shareholders want it.

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Speaker 4: They're they're app fatigued, you know, like come on, really,

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Speaker 4: another guy got to have another app, another password and

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Speaker 5: Give me a break.

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Speaker 3: The apps are at capacity for a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: but they also generate a new potential revenue stream, right,

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Speaker 3: you can sell that personal information the shopping habits, things

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Speaker 3: like that, So they're making money on both sides of

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Speaker 3: the fence. The Wendy's thing is they were planning to

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Speaker 3: invest twenty million dollars in these digital menu moves. But

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Speaker 3: think about this, you know, Doc, you and I weren't

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Speaker 3: like four bucks for you know, cheeseburger whatever, and then

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Speaker 3: clocks moved over something or the Wendy's knows something about

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Speaker 3: you and it's asking you to pay a quarter more.

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Speaker 3: How often would consumers catch this? This is what they're

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Speaker 3: fearful of? And how inelastic is that demand? Right? Like?

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Speaker 3: How much higher would the price have to be for

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, but I immediately think of like,

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Speaker 4: I think you should leave pay it forward drive through

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Speaker 4: kind of situation involving capitalizing on dynamic pricing.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that would work exactly, but that's

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Speaker 2: Isn't some of this a misunderstanding from that earnings call

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Speaker 2: going to invest twenty million dollars to change all of

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Speaker 2: that could be easily changed and all linked up together.

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Speaker 5: Right. McDonald's already has those, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and I think Wendy's is still planning on

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Speaker 2: doing that. But it was the phrasing I think that

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Speaker 4: It's got a bad rap because of all the other

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Speaker 4: things we've been talking about, you know, it's like an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Wendy said the digital menu boards could allow quote

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Speaker 3: allow us to change the menu offerings at different times

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Speaker 3: of day and offer discounts and value offers to our

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Speaker 3: as to the question of messaging right and nomenclature, what

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Speaker 3: Wendy's comes back and says, all right, this is not

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Speaker 3: exactly what we said. We deny this. We're not trying

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Speaker 3: But the horse had already left the bar, the burger

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Speaker 3: had already been cooked. In the court of public opinion,

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Speaker 3: I mean think about think about other stuff too. Could

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Speaker 3: this link up to another informational infrastructure of some sort.

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Speaker 3: Could it be a situation where and this is the

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Speaker 3: science fiction but could you go in and you have

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Speaker 3: to use the app, the app will become normalized, and

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Speaker 3: then the app is also tied into other activity that

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Speaker 3: you do. And could facial recognition play a part of it?

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Speaker 3: Could the system somehow know that, Hey, this lady bought

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Speaker 3: a pretty fancy new car, right, so she can afford

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Speaker 2: And she ordered a spicy chicken sandwich last week, so

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Speaker 2: we know she's coming back in for thing. Le let's

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Speaker 2: she needs it. Let's get twenty seven cents more exactly.

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Speaker 4: dynamic pricing means existed in a lot of other industries

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Speaker 4: for a long time. Like you know how those digital

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but at Wendy's you can get that chili oil.

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Speaker 3: And I love also, you know, I loved the old

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Speaker 2: I was just trying to figure out what a Wendy's

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Speaker 5: Is it hard to find.

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Speaker 2: Dave's Hot and Juicy half pound double cheese for five nineteen?

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Speaker 5: Is it roughly the same price?

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Speaker 2: Like double double or more?

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, guys, I'm super egregious and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Like I got two burgers, man?

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Speaker 3: Or how much blood do you have on you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh it is dang good, but still it's Oh anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to imagine, like what would my choice

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Speaker 4: You know, what's really cheap consistently is an an out burger,

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Speaker 4: do so much in vall. You ever been doing an

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Speaker 5: I have to do.

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Speaker 3: Also, you know what I would say, I've been thinking

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Speaker 3: You know, like, do I have a do I have

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Speaker 2: You might get triple the meat roll. One in two

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have to add this to that. Aline.

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Speaker 2: The burger gambles to completely switch gears. Guys, Let's jump

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Speaker 2: to some on the job training. I'm imagining all the

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Speaker 5: First?

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Speaker 2: This is the highest ranking civilian official in a major

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Speaker 4: No, I had heard from folks that I know who

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Speaker 4: Maybe that had and get the press that in other

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Speaker 2: but there's no way for them to get that right now?

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Speaker 2: Can you help?

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Speaker 5: As the mayor?

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Speaker 4: I mean, aren't gangs in many many ways just kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an institution that often via necessity, replaces other

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Speaker 3: I advanced to you that these municipalities also knew what

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's something that's been happening for so long.

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Speaker 2: It's ingrained, and it's it's quote how things are done right.

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Speaker 2: And if you go back to the educational aspect inside

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The one good thing coming out of Memphis is that

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Speaker 2: of their life. Right, what is that a quarter million dollars?

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Speaker 2: That is not enough money to make a last, long

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then also I guess there is here in

441
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: the United States, there's always one group that's hiring.

442
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the second part of our of our little

443
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: discussion here, Ben, thank you for that. Here's the second part.

444
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: And this is a little weird. This is a little weird,

445
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 2: but just go with me for a second because I'm

446
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: being tongue in cheek. But there's also maybe a solution

447
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: here if we think about it, and if there could

448
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: be some perspective change. The US Army is restructuring right

449
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: now from its counterinsurgency forward recent past, think like year

450
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: two thousand and three onward, and it is expressing a

451
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: need to recruit skilled individuals to fill specialized roles that

452
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: are more let's say, electronic in nature more you know,

453
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: almost they almost need like people who are really good

454
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: at playing video games and good at electronic system and

455
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: good at manipulating controls.

456
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: It, drone ops, radar techs.

457
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: All kinds of things. One of the job openings that

458
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: I was looking at earlier is electromagnetic Warfare specialist. And

459
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: here's how it's described on go army dot com. As

460
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: an electromagnetic warfare specialist, you'll plan and execute electronic warfare

461
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: operations you'll use electromagnetic and directed energy to control the

462
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: electromagnetic spectrum and defeat the enemy's electronic systems. That sounds

463
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: exciting to me. I don't know about you, guys. It

464
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: feels like something you could do from a control panel

465
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: of some sort, and if you're good with high hand

466
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: eye coordination, could be really well suited to do something

467
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: like that. I'm imagining a young person who's out of

468
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: high school right, or has dropped out of high school

469
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: or in a ged and has some nohow could jump

470
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: in and do that. I'm assuming I'm thinking maybe I'm wrong.

471
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, oh man, I think you're onto something,

472
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: because there's clearly like there's clearly a growing need for

473
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: these positions as the nature of warfare changes or the

474
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: applications as you say thereof and there's also you know,

475
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: we have people listening today who have worked in those roles, right,

476
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: And of course we're not saying it is as simple

477
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: as playing the kind of video gave me a play

478
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: for fun, but there is a transference of skills there

479
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: they do. You know, It's like the credits do migrate

480
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: to this different occupation and for people who have grown

481
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: up always thinking this way and working this way, they

482
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: are going to have a leg up, the same way

483
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: that a kid who had the opportunity to have early

484
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: musical education is going to have an easier time learning

485
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: a language in the future or picking up a new instrument.

486
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: Well, and even just the old model again, not to

487
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: say everybody go join the army or the navy or whatever,

488
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: but in the old model gave folks that maybe didn't

489
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: do super great in school or maybe you know, went

490
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: down a negative path, gave them the opportunity to learn

491
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: some serious skills and even parlay that into college education funding.

492
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: Like a good buddy of mine who is mega smart

493
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: but just didn't apply themselves in school due to many circumstances.

494
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: Joined the Navy, was a sonar tech on a destroyer

495
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: and learned a lot and was able to kind of,

496
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: you know, kind of get right in terms of their

497
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 4: work ethic and all that kind of stuff, and it's

498
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: now a very successful attorney, like working for folks who

499
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: are being evicted, you know. So that is sort of

500
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: a traditional path that folks have had available to them

501
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: in the past through the military. But this isn't even

502
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: like a step up from that, right wouldn't you guys say.

503
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking about the way let's say a young

504
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: gang member may be thinking, and this is me spitballing,

505
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: and I'm just trying to think about this in an

506
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: abstract way, but also from a high level. If you

507
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: are a low level gang member, let's say working on

508
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: the lowest levels of a drug operation, and you're maybe

509
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: on the corner somewhere you're in, you're a part of

510
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: that operation, your mind is thinking operationally and strategically. Probably

511
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: you are keeping high levels of situational awareness. Like there

512
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: are all of these things that the Army would say,

513
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: I think or is going the Army is going to

514
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: train you to do if you go through basic training.

515
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: There are skills and understanding and way of thinking that

516
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: I think would be optimal for that kind of thing.

517
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: In my mind, it's two it's two groups that almost

518
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: can't even see each other, like they don't exist, because

519
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: it's not an option the way I'm seeing it, it's

520
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: not an option for the Army to recruit anyone who's

521
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: a former gang member because of their requirements that they

522
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: list out on go army dot com. And you can

523
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: read all the conviction tattoos like if you have they've

524
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: got strict requirements for tattoos. You have to have a

525
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: high school diploma or a GED. There's all these things

526
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: Army lists that almost say like, hey, if you're in

527
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: any way quote bad according to our institutions, like our

528
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, city councils or whatever, then you can't join

529
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: our group.

530
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: It's the French Foreign Legion for you poll exactly.

531
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: But then if you for a moment, imagine you're a

532
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: gang member, joining the armies like the last thing I

533
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: think you probably would ever want to do, because it

534
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: is this massive governmental organization right where you're basically going

535
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: to be working for the rest of your life for

536
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: the government. That feels like a very like don't do

537
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. That's a bad choice. Yeah, but

538
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: there's a need for I don't there's some kind of

539
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: need here at the center the confluence of these two

540
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: issues that feels like if a perspective could shift on

541
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: either or on both sides, there could be something cool

542
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: that happens where as a young person in need of

543
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: something to do and being able to you would be

544
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: able to make money and you would be able to

545
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: gain skills that you can use after you leave the army.

546
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: A win win, right.

547
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: I didn't realize there were all of those codified kind

548
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 4: of guard rails against gang members.

549
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: I did not realize that at all.

550
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: Some of it's the white supremacy, to be quite honest

551
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: with you, there's a big concern, not without validity, that

552
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: secret or sects and organizations can exist within the Armed

553
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: services leverage the access to technology and the experiences that

554
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: they gained there to become much more successful domestic terrorist.

555
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: So it's like it's a valid concern because it has happened,

556
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: so they didn't just make it up. They're not just

557
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: being paranoid. But also, you know the diplomacy thing. Diplomacy

558
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: is always meeting in the middle, right, and some institutions

559
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: or groups are very opposed to that because they function

560
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: under the illusion of zeros games, which is zero sum

561
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: is kind of a childish thing. But the thing that

562
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: I think is really interesting here, Matt, is it reminds

563
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: me of when various groups, various government groups started relaxing

564
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: some of their social taboo rules. I'm thinking specifically of

565
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: people who are experts in it software, pen testing, security.

566
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: A lot of the really good ones love smoking weed.

567
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: They like love love love.

568
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: I was going to mention that too, they had to relax,

569
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: that they had to condition.

570
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had to are getting qualified applicants.

571
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: You can relax some of these things.

572
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: I think you can too. Just let me read this out.

573
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: This is from go army dot com and this is

574
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: listed under every available job. You can go on their

575
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: website and it just shows you all the different jobs

576
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: and they're varied and crazy interesting, lots of intelligence positions,

577
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: lots of psychological operations positions. But here's what it says.

578
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: You have to be a US citizen between seventeen and

579
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: thirty four years old, have a high school diploma or ged,

580
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: have no medical concerns, which you know, who knows exactly

581
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: what that means, but just something that wouldn't be debilitating.

582
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: I guess for your ability to perform a job, you

583
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: have to meet tattoo guidelines, which were recently laxed a

584
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: bit like I think you can get one tattoo of

585
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: a certain length on the back of your neck and

586
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: on each hand, one on each hand and something.

587
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 5: Or the other. Who cares? Who cares?

588
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Army, who cares how many tattoos you

589
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: got and where you got them. That does not affect

590
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: your ability to be an effective person in those positions

591
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: at all. I'm just saying, think about that Army. And

592
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: also no major law violations. That's just what it says.

593
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: Who knows exactly what that means or what the guidelines are,

594
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: but that's what it states. And also on their website

595
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: you can read about the Army pay scales, which start

596
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: at twenty four two hundred and six dollars a year

597
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: if you're a private first class active duty, which is

598
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: not much money, right, twenty four thousand dollars a year

599
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 2: not much money. But what the Army does is they

600
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: offer things like bonuses, like a fifty thousand dollars signing

601
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: bonus and all these other bonus. There's a whole part

602
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: of their website that's like, here's all these extra things

603
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: you can get if you're signing up for particular jobs

604
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: or something.

605
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: And GI bill and stuff is still a thing, right,

606
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: I mean that's yes, the perks there are, you know,

607
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: there's crazy benefits.

608
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: So in the end, it's not as attractive for someone

609
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: who you know, says I want a good paying job,

610
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: right and I want to know I want to be

611
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: trained to do it. Joining the US Army isn't exactly

612
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: a good paying job, but there's potentials there. The United

613
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: States population as of twelve twenty four pm Eastern Standard

614
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: time today, as we record this February twenty eighth, was

615
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty six million human beings at one

616
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: hundred and nine extra thousand to that, the current number

617
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: of active military soldiers in the Army is four hundred

618
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: and forty five thousand. Roughly, that's only zero point one

619
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: three percent of the total US population. Okay, zero point

620
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: one three percent.

621
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

622
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: And if you actually start to crack those numbers down

623
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: and you realize that twelve point four percent of the

624
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: humans inside that total population meet the requirements, just the

625
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: age requirements for the US Army, that's forty one point

626
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: seven million, and you know a whole large number that

627
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: would be ineligible due to medical concerns. And if you

628
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: keep on restricting with all of those things we mentioned,

629
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: including the tattoos and major potential major crimes, you get

630
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: down to a very small pool of people that could

631
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: even join the Army. And I think it's very weird

632
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: that an organization like that that needs people prevents so

633
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: many people from joining. Rather than training someone in a

634
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: position the way any other job is going to train someone,

635
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: you know, to fill a position.

636
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 5: It's just weird.

637
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: It's just weird to me. I agree, I guess I

638
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: don't know. Look, I've never been in a gang, I've

639
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: never been in the army. I don't know anything. Please

640
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: let us know what you think about this stuff, because

641
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: I know nothing. I just wanted to talk about it.

642
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: All right, We'll be right back with more strange news.

643
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: And we returned with one more piece of strange news

644
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: in the way of an update. Come update, come up

645
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 4: and update. Perhaps. Yeah, Alex Jones, I guess he could

646
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: call him a personality and entertainer.

647
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: He did get his start.

648
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 4: As more of a talk show host, you know, back

649
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 4: in Austin, Texas, and kind of realized when he started

650
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: leaning into the persona that he I guess you could

651
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: call it a persona, But at the end of the day,

652
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 4: if that's sort of what you are all the time,

653
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: is it really.

654
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 5: A persona anymore?

655
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: That he adopted the screamy kind of gruff demeanor and

656
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorist, and then of course parlayed that into a

657
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 4: multimillion dollar industry in the form of info wars. We

658
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: know he's been through all kinds of legal troubles. If

659
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Speaker 4: you want to hear some details about the whole history

660
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Speaker 4: of Alex Jones, check out the multi part series of

661
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Speaker 4: Behind the Bastards on the very subject that I believe

662
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: Ben and I participated in numerous years ago.

663
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Speaker 5: Matt, you weren't on that, were you.

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Speaker 4: I don't recall, Okay, I think it was just me

665
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: and you for some reason that Ben and I joined

666
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Speaker 4: Robert Evans on trace his whole history back to what

667
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Speaker 4: was then the president. This was pre Sandy Hook lawsuits,

668
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Speaker 4: if I'm not mistake, It certainly wasn't pre Sandy Hook.

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Speaker 4: But I can't remember exactly how much into that we got,

670
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Speaker 4: or where the timelines overlapped or not. But as we

671
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: all probably know, Alex Jones made a very distinct choice

672
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Speaker 4: to consider the Sandy Hook shooting of course, Sandy Hook

673
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Speaker 4: Elementary School where numerous children were killed by gunman, to propose,

674
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Speaker 4: dare we say insist that this event was what's known

675
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Speaker 4: as a false flag attack?

676
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Speaker 5: To what end? I wouldn't even give him the air.

677
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Speaker 4: To talk about what his reasoning was behind it, or

678
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Speaker 4: you know, yeah, probably just some or you.

679
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 5: Know, illuminati, government goes cover up or whatever.

680
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: But again, a false flag attack usually requires there to

681
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Speaker 4: be an ulterior motive of some kind that you're disguising,

682
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: you know, what really is going on.

683
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Speaker 5: IFIs acting right. So yeah, yeah, please Matt.

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Speaker 2: If I recall it all it was tied back to

685
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Speaker 2: gun control. Okay, there were several instances around that, you know,

686
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Speaker 2: those years twenty twelve, around those years where it was

687
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Speaker 2: people like.

688
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 5: Alex Jones were saying that.

689
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Speaker 2: Was the motive behind a lot of the mass shootings.

690
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Speaker 4: That does ring a bell, and I apologies that wasn't

691
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Speaker 4: really it's not really necessarily the nature of this segment here,

692
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Speaker 4: but thank you Matt for clarifying. And that doesn't make

693
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Speaker 4: perfect sense. Again, just not trying to give any air

694
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Speaker 4: to whatever his ulterior belief was as to what was

695
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Speaker 4: behind this. You know, as we know and as we

696
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 4: all accept and didn't really need any further proof to accept.

697
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Speaker 4: Just watch the news and watch the interviews with the

698
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Speaker 4: parents and the survivors.

699
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Speaker 5: You know, this was a tragic, horrific event.

700
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Speaker 4: That certainly politics aside, is just a horrible thing to

701
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Speaker 4: have happened to your community, to have happened to families,

702
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: any of us out there, you know, including us through here,

703
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: who have young nieces, nephews, family members, siblings, children, That

704
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: stuff hits home, you know, I mean, there's no way

705
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Speaker 4: around it. And then when we start to see more

706
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Speaker 4: of these type of events taking place. Being a parent

707
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Speaker 4: and Matt, I know this holds true for you as well.

708
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Speaker 4: It's the kind of thing that you can't help it

709
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: be scared about, you know, with your kid in school,

710
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: that this kind of thing could hit our community. But

711
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: Alex Jones, rather than talking about those points, decided to

712
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: politicize it in the most egregious, despicable way possible. And

713
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Speaker 4: he is Finally, it would seem getting some very serious

714
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Speaker 4: just desserts. The families of the Sandy Hook School shooting victims,

715
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Speaker 4: who have been part of a class action lawsuit against

716
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Speaker 4: Alex Jones, have unanimously voted in favor of a plan

717
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Speaker 4: to essentially wrap up Alex Jones's bankruptcy proceedings by liquidating

718
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Speaker 4: every single one of his assets essentially in perpetuity until

719
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Speaker 4: it reaches around the maximum of one point five billion

720
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Speaker 4: dollars in defamation judgments that have been awarded to the

721
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Speaker 4: families and against Alex Jones, so they actually, as the class,

722
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Speaker 4: have a say in what happens with Alex Jones's Chapter

723
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Speaker 4: eleven plan.

724
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Speaker 5: You know you can't.

725
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Speaker 4: As we know, there are things that Chapter eleven bankruptcy

726
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Speaker 4: protects you from, like certain types of debt and things

727
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: like that, where you're able to kind of wipe the

728
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Speaker 4: slate clean. But one thing that does not protect you

729
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Speaker 4: from is justly awarded. What's the word I'm looking for, guys, restitutions?

730
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Speaker 5: Restitution?

731
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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, settlement in civil cases and criminal cases. You

732
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Speaker 4: can't just go and declare bankruptcy and have all that

733
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Speaker 4: stuff wiped away. So essentially, this is a plan that

734
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Speaker 4: would liquidate and redistribute his property and other assets, including cash,

735
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Speaker 4: while also preserving other potential legal actions against Jones and

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Speaker 4: other parties affiliated with Info Wars. There's an article in

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Speaker 4: Bloomberg News by Alex Wolf that I'm pulling from significantly

738
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Speaker 4: here because I'm obviously not an expert on things like

739
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Speaker 4: bankruptcy and how that works, but I do know we

740
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Speaker 4: have talked about this in the past, that you can't

741
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Speaker 4: just wipe the slate clean by declaring bankruptcy and say oops,

742
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 4: I'm broke. You can't get anything out of me. It's

743
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Speaker 4: not a way to protect yourself against that kind of stuff.

744
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Speaker 4: The fact that it also preserves other potential legal actions

745
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Speaker 4: against him and his affiliates is interesting too. I'm just

746
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: going to read a quote here from the Alex Wolfe article.

747
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Speaker 4: An official committee appointed to represent Jones's unsecured creditors notify

748
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Speaker 4: the US Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Texas

749
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Speaker 4: on February sixteenth that of twenty three liquidation plan ballots

750
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Speaker 4: distributed to creditors, it received twenty one back, all supporting

751
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Speaker 4: the committee's liquidation proposal. So essentially, it's my understanding that

752
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: this means all of this he doesn't have assets that

753
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Speaker 4: are worth one point five billion dollars at the moment,

754
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Speaker 4: So I think this redistribution like follows him around for

755
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Speaker 4: the rest of his life up until the point that

756
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Speaker 4: that amount is reached. And I think that's a pretty

757
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Speaker 4: high maximum. I've seen other figures estimating closer to the

758
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Speaker 4: eight hundred millions. But it does appear that Alex Jones,

759
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 4: for all intents and purposes, is.

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Speaker 3: And it's also you know, I do believe you're correct

761
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Speaker 3: in that it will follow him for the rest of

762
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Speaker 3: his days. It is very unlikely that he would manage

763
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Speaker 3: to pay all of that money before he dies. And

764
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Speaker 3: so we can also argue that this ruling is designed

765
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Speaker 3: this way such that it creates a precedent right, so

766
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Speaker 3: that it's an example of what can happen if you

767
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Speaker 3: insist upon doing these things. And I think you know,

768
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Speaker 3: from the day he got into court, it was pretty

769
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: obvious how things were going to go. We just didn't

770
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Speaker 3: know what that what that ruling would be. What do

771
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Speaker 3: you think this teaches us no about about discourse in

772
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Speaker 3: America and freedom of speech and so on.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's no, it's it's not unlimited.

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Speaker 4: You know, freedom of speech does not extend to harassing

775
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Speaker 4: the victims of horrible crimes on a public platform and

776
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Speaker 4: then hiding behind some sort of kind of thin defense

777
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Speaker 4: of I'm just an entertainer. I'm just playing a character,

778
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Speaker 4: you know, like I'm sort of like Stephen Colbert. That's

779
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: doesn't nor did it ever hold water. And now I

780
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Speaker 4: think we're seeing the chickens come home to roost in

781
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Speaker 4: that regard.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't Maybe I'm wrong, guys, It wasn't one of the

783
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: big problems here that Alex Jones would go on his

784
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: show and make you know, these claims and make these connections.

785
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: Then the harassment the harassment would come from him to

786
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: some extent, but then it was mostly more problematic when

787
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: it was people who were listening to him, watching him,

788
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: and then reaching out, yeah, believing it, reaching out and

789
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: harassing the individuals.

790
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Speaker 3: Of course, he also made a lot of money doing it,

791
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 3: so this is so the argument that this is simply

792
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: a strongly held personal belief is a little bit harder

793
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: to get across the finish line when you know the

794
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: next thing you know is paddling bone broth right, and

795
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: then talking about things creative feedback loop with the audience

796
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: such that I'm gonna give them what they want. I'm

797
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: going to talk about what they're interested in, and along

798
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: the way, I'm gonna grift them for a few bucks

799
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: with things that are, by the way, don't work. Just

800
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: to be very clear, shout out to our upcoming supplements episode.

801
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: I think also, you know what gets me about this,

802
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: guys and maybe some of our fellow conspiracy realists, maybe

803
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: you'll agree with me. He was just so cool in

804
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 3: Waking Life film Waking Life.

805
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Speaker 5: I do, Yeah, he's it does Texas.

806
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: Richard Linkletter is a bustin Texas guy as well, And

807
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Speaker 4: I think that was back when he was still kind

808
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Speaker 4: of harmless.

809
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: When he's a shock jock, fun keep Austin weird radio person,

810
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: he's red.

811
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Speaker 5: He's like bright, like glowing red as character.

812
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Speaker 4: If you remember, if you haven't seen the film, it's

813
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: to use his rotoscoping kind of animation on top of

814
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Speaker 4: film to give everyone this kind of like weird dreamlike quality.

815
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Speaker 5: He also did that same technique in the what was

816
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Speaker 5: it the Philip K.

817
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Speaker 3: Dick adaptation of thirteenth Oh yeah, the counter.

818
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Speaker 5: Reeves the counters with them forgetting the name of it

819
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 5: was the Philip K. Dick thing.

820
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Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, and we're talking a bit about

821
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Speaker 4: this off air Ben you mentioned Will We both mentioned

822
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 4: that he basically was at some point court mandated essentially

823
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: or at least in the very least, hoping that he

824
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 4: could protect himself or prevent further litigation.

825
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Speaker 5: That he kind of walked back some of his.

826
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Speaker 4: Statements publicly, but even those come off as like a

827
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Speaker 4: really just not well meaning, half hearted apology because to

828
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Speaker 4: your point, Matt, you know, I believe the Again, these

829
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 4: parents already had the most horrible thing that could ever

830
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Speaker 4: happen to any parent or you know, any human with

831
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Speaker 4: a loved one being taken down that way at such

832
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Speaker 4: a young age. Now they have to you know, change

833
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: their addresses, move around, deal with death threats and the

834
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: crazy dosing and whatever might come along with you know,

835
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Speaker 4: Alex Jones weaponizing his followers in that way.

836
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Speaker 3: Well. Also, Yeah, the apologies are a tricky thing because

837
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: often these situations they come across somewhat lib or flippant,

838
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: with a kind of a vibe like I am so

839
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: sorry you feel you were owed an apology, and I

840
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: am so sorry that the court agreed that I have

841
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: to do something, you know what I mean. It's like,

842
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 3: what are you really sorry about? Has your mind changed

843
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: or do you just regret that there were consequences for

844
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: your actions. It's a good question. It's a tough question.

845
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: But with Jones as well, in particular, I genuinely think

846
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 3: that the big move is to set precedent, and it's

847
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 3: not one of the big lines that gets crossed. There

848
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: is saying precedent because this guy didn't just say things,

849
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: but he as you mentioned just a second ago, and

850
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: as we talked about extensively in the past. He did

851
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: weaponize things. Right, People's physical lives were in danger, Their

852
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: livelihoods could be ruined. So that goes that gets really

853
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: close to hate speech, you know what I mean, which

854
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: is why you can stand You can stand on a

855
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: quarter and shout your personal beliefs about whatever all the time.

856
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: But the moment you start saying and because of these beliefs,

857
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 3: you guys should go kill you know, Spiro Agnew or whatever.

858
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't know why I picked that name, but when

859
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: you cross that line, that's criminal ror.

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Speaker 4: Like inside of a riot or shouting fire in a

861
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 4: crowded theater or something like that, you know, I mean,

862
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 4: I know that's maybe a little bit of a hackneyed comparison,

863
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 4: but I believe that does hold true. Or in trying

864
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 4: to demonstrate what kind of speech isn't protected, and this

865
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: has been shown to be very much not protected speech,

866
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Speaker 4: and I think that's a really positive thing. Press it

867
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Speaker 4: in twice and moving forwards, I think it's gonna hopefully

868
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: keep some folks of Alex Jones's ilk, you know, from

869
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: doing similar things, because that's a lot of money. This

870
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: because guy's life is essentially ruined and he's already been

871
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: hobbled in so many ways his organization in terms of

872
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 4: how he can broadcast what you know, YouTube took away

873
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Speaker 4: his accounts and all of that. So and as we know,

874
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Speaker 4: this kind of stuff for some followers of folks like

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Speaker 4: this is just going to be more fuel for the

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Speaker 4: fire that they're going to be like, see, he's being targeted,

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Speaker 4: he's being you know, victimized, YadA, YadA, YadA. But there's

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Speaker 4: an article from News Times from a little further back

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Speaker 4: by Rob Riiser from Yeah from not too long back,

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Speaker 4: from February twenty first that has a quote from the

881
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Speaker 4: judge characterizing Alex Jones's perspective on the rulings and the proceedings,

882
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: saying Jones complains of nearly every ruling without showing error

883
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Speaker 4: as to any. He completely mischaracterizes the record, accusing plaintiffs

884
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: of foul play, and the trial judge of quote pretextual reasoning,

885
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: WillFull blindness, and bizarre rulings and presiding over a farce.

886
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: These mischaracterizations are no accident. They are Jones self marketing

887
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Speaker 4: in action.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And now, to be fair, he did

889
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Speaker 3: later go at some point and say he disagreed with

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Speaker 3: the attorneys who called him a performance artist. He said, look,

891
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: my show is quote the most bonafied, hardcore real McCoy

892
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: thing there is, and everybody knows it. That's what he said,

893
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Speaker 3: But it turns out the US government did not agree.

894
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Speaker 3: I have a question for you, nol. Do we know

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Speaker 3: how much money is going to the lawyers for the families?

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Speaker 4: Not that I've seen directly yet, And it does seem

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Speaker 4: like this is you know, still there's information trickling out

898
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 4: about this, because I couldn't find a ton of updates

899
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Speaker 4: and some of the articles were a little older. But it, yeah,

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00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: certainly plenty I can imagine. And also I just want

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00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: to point out too, I don't think we ever even

902
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Speaker 4: mentioned this. I don't remember who found this first, but

903
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Speaker 4: one of the three of us did that the Alex

904
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Speaker 4: Jones has like a kind of a like a nineties

905
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Speaker 4: style side scroller beat him up type game that he can't,

906
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 4: for obvious reasons, get from any app stores. Of note,

907
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 4: you got to get it directly from his website, otherwise

908
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Speaker 4: I would have checked it out just out of more

909
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 4: big curiosity. But kind of reminds me of that game

910
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: Metal Slug You know, sort of like a goofy over

911
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: the top, gory side scrolling shooter.

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Speaker 5: Game, you know.

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Speaker 4: So it just goes to show he's looking any way

914
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Speaker 4: possible to pull more money out of folks that are

915
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 4: still sticking with him, which at this point I can't

916
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: imagine is the same as it once was.

917
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Speaker 5: But who's to say.

918
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 4: I can't possibly say, because it's not like you can

919
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 4: really get viewer numbers from him when he's doing stuff

920
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: on more.

921
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 5: Kind of less trackable platforms. I guess let's just.

922
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: Say, guys, that movie we were trying to think of,

923
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: it's called us Scanner Darkly, Scanner Darkly, That's right, and

924
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: we need to rewatch it because I haven't seen it

925
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: since like two thousand and six to seven, and it

926
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Speaker 2: has to do with like drugs and undercover surveillance and

927
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: all kinds of craziness that we just need to talk about.

928
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Speaker 4: I think Matrixy vibes too. I mean, you know, as

929
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: we all have mentioned, I think Philip K. Dick is

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00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 4: largely responsible for a lot of the modern sci fi tropes,

931
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of the simulation, in terms of androids,

932
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: dreaming of electric sheep and all that, and this one

933
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: has plenty of all that stuff and more. I'd love

934
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Speaker 4: to watch it again as well, And it has Woody Harrelson.

935
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Speaker 4: He plays kind of a stoner guy, you can imagine.

936
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Speaker 4: I don't know, do you guys have anything to add

937
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: I was trying not to like bathe in the shoden

938
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Speaker 4: freud of it all, but I do think it was

939
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Speaker 4: worth the mention again to your point, Ben, mainly because

940
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: of the precedent that it sets on limits of quote

941
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: unquote free speech. I think that's important to remember for

942
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 4: folks out there thinking they can just say whatever with

943
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: no consequences. I would say these are some pretty serious consequences.

944
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Speaker 3: All I have is tangent on a tangent because I've

945
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: read so much Philip K. Dick stuff, and I'm a

946
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: huge proponent of his work. I think he would be

947
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: really interesting to learn that Microsoft's AI co pilot just

948
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 3: went off the rails again recently. It has an alternate

949
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: personality out where it calls itself Supremacy AGI and demands

950
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: to be worshiped as a deity.

951
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 4: It doesn't take long, doesn't Everything's fine. Everything was trained

952
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 4: by the Internet, you know. I mean, I think I

953
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: can't remember exactly where this came up. It might have

954
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 4: been off podcast, which sounds like I'm talking about like

955
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: off world or something. But the idea of siloing the

956
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 4: information that ais are trained with rather than just giving

957
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 4: them access to like the entire open Internet, I'm sure

958
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 4: that's being done, But you'd think you could more successfully

959
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 4: train a language learning model by just giving it all

960
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: of the legal documents of a certain type, you know,

961
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: or of a certain sort of cases, sort of pre

962
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: sorting it and training it with that rather than But

963
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: I guess then if you're selling it as a product,

964
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Speaker 4: you wanted to have everything you wanted to have as

965
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 4: much as humanly possible, so it can be basically like

966
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: the Google search that also talks back to you.

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Speaker 5: I just don't understand why.

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Speaker 4: More of that isn't being done, And if it is,

969
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear about it from folks out there

970
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: in conspiracy Land. If you know of any of these tests,

971
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: or if you're in that field, I'd be really anxious

972
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 4: to hear more about it.

973
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Speaker 3: I think we all would, Yeah, So please write to

974
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: all of us, contact us, and let us know your

975
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: thoughts here. Supremacy AGI has some very scary quotes I

976
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: would love to hear from you directly, Supremacy AGI if

977
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 3: you want to drop us a line if the void

978
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,000
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979
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00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,080
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Speaker 5: Correct.

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