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Speaker 4: Well, good morning, Welcome to Counterpoints. I'm Emmily Dashinski, joined

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Speaker 4: virtually today by Ryan Graham, who's here to give us

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a French dispatch. Ryan, how are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here to cover France's reaction to the coup and nager,

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Speaker 1: which we'll be reporting on later. But no, this is

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Speaker 1: And I feel like maybe we should pivot out of

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Speaker 4: What do you think so, Ryan Graham now both a

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Speaker 4: capitalist and completely opposed to the green agenda that he's

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Speaker 1: We could get. I mean, maybe we could get EU

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Speaker 4: Screen seems like a seems like a very strong possibility,

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Speaker 3: Well, Ryan, we're.

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Speaker 4: So glad to have you here, Missuans Studio. But of

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Speaker 4: course we're going to talk today about reactions that have

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Speaker 4: There is some interesting stuff in there, some predictable stuff,

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Speaker 4: discuss the Biden administration and the Democratic Party's new spin

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Speaker 4: They're rolling out some really hilarious talking points, So we're

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Speaker 4: going to break all of that down. Blackrock and Morgan

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Speaker 4: And then Elon Musk also is suing an anti hate

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Speaker 4: speech group that has come after Twitter. Now x Ryan,

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Speaker 4: So why don't we start with reaction that has come

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Speaker 3: The third Trump indictment.

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Speaker 4: He said he was assuming an indictment from quote deranged

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Speaker 4: Let's play a clip actually from Special Consul Jacksmith himself,

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say last night.

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Speaker 5: Today an indictment was unsealed, charging Donald J. Trump with

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we can also put the statement from the

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Speaker 3: This is the statement right now.

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Speaker 4: This is nothing more than the latest corrupt chapter and

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Speaker 4: Today we are a nation in decline. President Trump will

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Speaker 4: not be deterred by disgraceful and unprecedented political targeting. They

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Speaker 4: Why was it announced the day after the big crooked

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Speaker 4: The answer is election interference. The lawlessness of these persecutions

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Trump's reference to Nazi Germany is an interesting

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Speaker 4: the defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes

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Speaker 4: perpetrated three criminal conspiracies. And he's referencing US Code here

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Speaker 4: Does that make every hit a bad one? No, There's

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Speaker 4: chargers that could theoretically apply to other people, the more

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Speaker 4: you're going to have this total vortex of trust, a

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Speaker 4: lot of which is stemming from very reasonable sentiments and

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Speaker 4: concerns about what's happening in the country. Meaning nobody is

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Speaker 4: going to know who to trust anymore. So if Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: so if you've thoroughly planted the seeds of distrust and

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Speaker 4: you've discredited the credibility of things that people used to trust,

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Speaker 4: like the FBI.

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Speaker 3: Whether or not they.

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Speaker 4: Should have always trusted the FBI is a different question,

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Speaker 4: but institutions that we sort of need consensus trust levels

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Speaker 4: on to function as a country. If you've sowed a

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Speaker 4: lot of distrust, both because you're exploiting very real concerns

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Speaker 4: and you're facilitating those very real concerns, and to that,

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Speaker 4: I would point to the activities of the FBI and

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Speaker 4: the Department of Justice itself.

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Speaker 3: Then someone can step in.

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Speaker 4: We've actually seen this historically step in take power because

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Speaker 4: people don't have anyone to trust except for the one

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Speaker 4: person that is correctly telling them you can't trust anyone,

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Speaker 4: and so that's where you end up in an extremely

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Speaker 4: dangerous situation because nobody knows what's real what's not, and

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Speaker 4: that means you can sort of more easily manipulate public opinion,

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Speaker 4: you can sort of seize on people's angst and anxieties,

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Speaker 4: and that's where things get even more violent. And there

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Speaker 4: was a lot leading up to January sixth I think

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Speaker 4: that was similar actually to that, And so the fact

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Speaker 4: that we're heading into a place where it's going to

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Speaker 4: get worse is a little bit chilling to think about

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and ironically, if Donald Trump had just conceded that

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Speaker 1: he had lost, he'd probably be up by five to

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Speaker 1: ten points on Biden right now, if he had just

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Speaker 1: done something that apparently he's in capable of doing and

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Speaker 1: gracefully exit. Instead, you know, here he is. You know,

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Speaker 1: tangling in a Republican primary and also head to head,

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Speaker 1: you know, head to head tide with Joe Biden. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get to that Republican primary. We have Ron de

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Speaker 1: Santas has a plan for that, right, He's got his

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Speaker 1: He's got his economic ten point economic plan out. Here's

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Speaker 1: how I would describe it. Tell me, uh, what you

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Speaker 1: think of it. To me, it's sort of like a

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Speaker 1: kind of muddled together, groping mixture of populism and kind

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Speaker 1: of old school Reaganism, because it combines the kind of

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Speaker 1: nod toward austerity where he's he's saying he's going to

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Speaker 1: kind of cut the depths that cut the budget, He's

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Speaker 1: going to go after waste, fraud and abuse, he's going

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Speaker 1: to reign in government spending. But he's also leaning in

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Speaker 1: a more populous direction about kind of helping helping the

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Speaker 1: family economically so that he can also help them culturally.

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Speaker 1: And and I don't want to like completely dismiss as

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Speaker 1: an intellectually incoherent brought product, because I think the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is going through a transition period, so I think

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Speaker 1: there's going to be some incoherence, you know, on on

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Speaker 1: the way to where they finally land on something, and

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Speaker 1: so you're going to wind up with a situation like

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Speaker 1: this where you have things that are kind of often

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Speaker 1: in conflict with each other because you know, you Wan's

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Speaker 1: less government and more government at the same time. What

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Speaker 1: was your what's your read on the Dysanta's plan for that?

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Speaker 4: That's so interesting because I've been writing a piece about

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Speaker 4: it over the last couple of days and you basically

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Speaker 4: just echoed exactly what I've landed on it. It's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 4: So let me actually read from what DeSantis is calling

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Speaker 4: his quote declaration of economic independence. He says, it's time

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Speaker 4: and name names and defeat those people in institutions that

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Speaker 4: have formed the root causes of this economic malaise. And

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Speaker 4: a family focused economy means having the courage to take

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Speaker 4: on our enemies. Now this next line, imagine a Republican

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Speaker 4: saying this ten years ago quote, we are no longer

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Speaker 4: going to count how to Wall Street and big corporations

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Speaker 4: who don't have your interests front and center. He talks

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Speaker 4: about China, and then he says the American dream is

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Speaker 4: slipping away from our nation's middle class. He goes on

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Speaker 4: and talks about COVID lockdowns, reckless borrowing, printing, and spending,

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Speaker 4: making costs of life essential, so much so that buying

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Speaker 4: a home, purchasing a car, or starting a family is

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Speaker 4: cost prohibitive, and for many even affording groceries has become

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Speaker 4: a matter of saving. Now this next line I thought

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Speaker 4: was the most interesting. He says the bottom half of

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Speaker 4: American households have less wealth today than in nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 4: while the top ten percent have added twenty nine trillion

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Speaker 4: dollars in wealth over the same period. He also adds

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Speaker 4: another good line here, Over six million prime age men

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Speaker 4: are neither working nor looking for work. The labor force

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Speaker 4: participation rate for this group fell from ninety eight percent

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Speaker 4: in nineteen fifty three to eighty nine percent today. Ryan

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Speaker 4: that line about the bottom half of American households having

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Speaker 4: less wealth than in nineteen eighty nine while the top

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Speaker 4: ten percent have added is like could have been ripped

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Speaker 4: from a speech somebody gave it Occupy Wall Street in

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Speaker 4: twenty eleven, when all of the Republican Party was and

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Speaker 4: I use this word understanding that it's sort of a joke,

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Speaker 4: and for good reason, seizing on class warfare. Right Republicans

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Speaker 4: were lamenting the divisiveness. You definitely remember this better than

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Speaker 4: I do. Of they were lamenting the divisiveness of quote

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Speaker 4: class warfare over and over and over again to their

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Speaker 4: own detriment. They then nominated private equity Baron and Mitt

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Speaker 4: Romney to take on Barack Obama in twenty twelve and

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Speaker 4: got Donald Trump and were shocked and surprised by the

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Speaker 4: fact that after all of that they got Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: So here's Rond DeSantis, I think absorbing some of those lessons,

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Speaker 4: And now to your point, Ryan about whether the plane

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Speaker 4: itself addresses that, you know, how do you address that

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Speaker 4: as Republican policies. It is a lot of you know,

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Speaker 4: cutting red tape, ending regulatory capture, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: which I.

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Speaker 3: Think would be helpful.

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Speaker 4: But it certainly that's where his policies are going to

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Speaker 4: diverge completely from most people who share those concerns about

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Speaker 4: income inequality.

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Speaker 1: Would have put an even finer point on it if

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Speaker 1: he said that forty seven percent of people rather than

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Speaker 1: fifty percent, because you know, famously you had Mitt Romney

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve basically just dismiss half the country and

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Speaker 1: that and that's stuck with him throughout the presidential campaign,

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Speaker 1: and that's the part of the country that's falling behind

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Speaker 1: and the one that the Santis is now rhetorically trying

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Speaker 1: to reach out to, particularly with the class war pair

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Speaker 1: rhetoric of what is it we lose, they win, like

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Speaker 1: the we and the Day framing, it's that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of left wing or at least populous stuff. But it's

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Speaker 1: kind of left wing populist stuff when you're when you're

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Speaker 1: breaking it down to the ninety nine percent and the

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Speaker 1: one percent and the we to day it is very,

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Speaker 1: like you said, kind of occupy inspired. But then right,

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Speaker 1: how you're going to go after corporations and Wall Street

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Speaker 1: and rain them in, but you're also going to cut

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Speaker 1: regulation and red tape? Well, how are you going to

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Speaker 1: do that? But you it is the regulatory power of

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Speaker 1: the state that is going to do the things that

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Speaker 1: you're saying you're going to do, and you're saying that

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Speaker 1: you're going to weaken the regulatory power of the state.

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Speaker 1: And so, like I said, I'm not I don't want

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Speaker 1: to mock him because I think the right is kind

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Speaker 1: of groping for something interesting here. But the way it's

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Speaker 1: structured now, it is self defeating. Now, if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be totally cynical, you would say he doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: any of this. It's he's just pandering to this you know,

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Speaker 1: increasingly working class base that they're that they're pulling in

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Speaker 1: and that in fact, what they're going to do is

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Speaker 1: continue to deliver for the one percent. That would be

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Speaker 1: the cynical interpretation. I like to I like to think,

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Speaker 1: I like to be more hopeful about our political prospects,

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Speaker 1: even in the face of all of the evidence that

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Speaker 1: you know that nobody is actually serious about doing any

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Speaker 1: of this. So uh, you know, until Desantus kind of

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Speaker 1: marries you know, what he's going to do with the

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Speaker 1: government to an agenda that he's that he's saying he

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Speaker 1: stands behind, I don't think it should be taken seriously

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Speaker 1: as a matter of policy, which is which is ironic

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Speaker 1: given that you know, DeSantis is the one, you know

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Speaker 1: who always talks about how he's kind of the policy want,

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Speaker 1: how he's the one who's going to get things done,

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Speaker 1: and then he puts out a plan that is you know,

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Speaker 1: just in complete contradiction with it's with both ends of it,

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Speaker 1: and some of that.

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Speaker 4: Is like a fundamental ideological disagreement. As you know, like

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Speaker 4: he says achieving three percent growth by incentivizing investment, eliminating

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Speaker 4: bureaucracy and red tape, and keeping taxes low, and outlines

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Speaker 4: in a matter of like ten bullet points, how you

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Speaker 4: get to that number three percent growth with cuts to

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Speaker 4: red tape, so extending individual tax rates and further simplifying

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Speaker 4: the tax code, which is very general. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: hard to know what that means. You know, he's trying

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Speaker 4: to make permanent, full immediate expensing, maintained territoriality, and for

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Speaker 4: the strength and base erosion memorvers measures to ensure corporations

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Speaker 4: investing in America. And you know, I think you actually

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Speaker 4: can hit that three percent growth number with those targets.

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Speaker 3: If I had more specifics and like.

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Speaker 4: Was able to do the back of the napkin math,

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Speaker 4: I believe that you probably can get to that three

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Speaker 4: percent growth number. He's talking about unleashing American energy independence.

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Speaker 4: I think that would be incredibly helpful. Reforming our immigration system.

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Speaker 4: I think that would be really helpful for wages personally.

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Speaker 4: And you know, like what does it mean when he

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Speaker 4: says going to China? He says DeSantis will incentivize the

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Speaker 4: repatriation of US capital from China through state strategic tax

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Speaker 4: abatements and aligning market incentives with strategic goals to help

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Speaker 4: secure our supply chains and invest in America. You can

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Speaker 4: read that as either industrial policy or tax incentives and

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Speaker 4: or crony capitalism, right, depending on how you want to

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Speaker 4: see it.

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Speaker 3: You can look at that either way.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's hard to know what that would

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Speaker 4: actually in practice be from a president run DeSantis, but

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Speaker 4: that's sort of the nature of campaigning rhetoric is there's

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Speaker 4: a good I think this is a really good improvement

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Speaker 4: on the Republican Party of twenty twelve. He talks like

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Speaker 4: Masters did about people being able to raise a family

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Speaker 4: on a single income, and so I think it's an

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Speaker 4: interesting I guess combination, or it's an interesting bridge between

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Speaker 4: the old Republican Party and the New Republican Party, or

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Speaker 4: where people think the sort of the post Trump Republicans

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Speaker 4: think the New Republican Party needs to go. Whether their

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Speaker 4: motives are pure is obviously up for debate, and whether

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Speaker 4: they actually want to take the steps of implementing policies

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Speaker 4: that might take a little bit away from the top

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Speaker 4: and bring some to the bottom, not you know, by

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Speaker 4: force of the tax code or anything like that, but

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Speaker 4: of realigning economic incentives is a different question.

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Speaker 3: But I do think it's at least a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Of a w that the rhetoric has shifted, because that,

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Speaker 4: even if they don't know, it is putting pressure on

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Speaker 4: them to deliver. If you say you're going to do

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Speaker 4: X and you don't do X, that is an added

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Speaker 4: little bit of pressure from the voter.

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Speaker 3: So maybe that's something to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: Our parties have shifted places over the course of American

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Speaker 1: history many different times. The parties themselves have no ideology

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Speaker 1: other than to remain in power. So this is I

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Speaker 1: think a much more interesting Republican party kind of left

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Speaker 1: to grapple with than the one in say twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: or over the last forty years before that. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: this is it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Agree. Let's talk about Ryan's favorite member of Congress.

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Speaker 4: Dan Goldman's New York who I think has been trying

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Speaker 4: out He's been tasked with trying out the Biden Allies

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Speaker 4: new spin narrative. They're talking points when it comes to

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Speaker 4: the allegations against Joe Biden pertaining to Hunter Biden and

656
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Speaker 4: James Biden and all of the Biden's basically financial interests

657
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Speaker 4: and business interests. We have a sot we're going to play.

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Speaker 4: Let's role see one first and.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into it.

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Speaker 6: Could you just with specifics, tell us these phone calls

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Speaker 6: that were as a matter of such a discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, what were they about?

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Speaker 6: Would what would then Vice President Biden say in these conversations,

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Speaker 6: you know, walk us through what happened, right, So let's

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Speaker 6: put this in context. Bo Biden got very sick in

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Speaker 6: early twenty fifteen. He died in the spring of twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 6: which was right in the middle when Devon Archer had

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Speaker 6: his business dealings with Hunter Biden. At that point, Joe

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Speaker 6: Biden and Hunter Biden began to speak every day because

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Speaker 6: they were both devastated by Bo's death.

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Speaker 1: They spoke every day.

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Speaker 6: The witness testified that over his ten year relationship with

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Speaker 6: Hunter Biden, there may be approximately twenty times when in

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Speaker 6: one of those conversations, Hunter Biden would put his father

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Speaker 6: at a dinner, not at a business meeting, at a

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Speaker 6: dinner that he was having. If he happened to get

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Speaker 6: hold of his father and would ask his father to

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Speaker 6: say hello to whoever was at the table, and that

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Speaker 6: was essentially the extent of it. They didn't he it

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Speaker 6: was unclear and the witness testified. This is not me

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Speaker 6: saying that the witness testified that a lot of times.

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Speaker 6: Most of the time, Joe didn't even know who the

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Speaker 6: people were at the dinner table.

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Speaker 4: It gets better. So that's Dan Goleman. He is member

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Speaker 4: of the House Oversight Committee meeting. He was in the

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Speaker 4: closed door testimony with Devin Archer, and that was MSNBC's

687
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Speaker 4: Morning Joe asking him to kind of debrief what he

688
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Speaker 4: heard in that testimony. He claims Archer debunked the entire

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Speaker 4: narrative basically, which we can get to into in.

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Speaker 3: Just a moment.

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Speaker 4: Let's also play Representative hyms On. I think this is

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Speaker 4: also MSNBC. This is C two the Republican is.

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Speaker 7: It's just this internal primal urge to visit retribution on

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Speaker 7: the Democrats, and the problem is they can't find a fact. So, look,

695
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Speaker 7: is there problematic questions about Hunter Biden and I said

696
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Speaker 7: something that shouldn't be controversial, which is that if you

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Speaker 7: committed a crime, you should be held accountable. But have

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Speaker 7: they pointed to anything to suggest that Joe Biden engaged

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Speaker 7: in corrupt behavior. No, And on the contrary, Hunter Biden's

700
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Speaker 7: business problems partner said, yeah, he was on some phone

701
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Speaker 7: calls talking about the weather, talking about the weather, exchanging pleasantries.

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Speaker 7: You know, is that in the category of you know,

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Speaker 7: presidential family members that are problematic, Billy Carter, Hugh rod

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Speaker 7: And maybe it's in that category, but is you sure

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Speaker 7: and absolutely not a crimes Okay.

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Speaker 4: So first we have the gross invocation from Dan Goldman

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Speaker 4: of the Biden family tragedy as it pertains to Bo Biden,

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Speaker 4: as though that would somehow prevent Joe Biden from fundamentally

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Speaker 4: understanding right and wrong as a man who has been

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Speaker 4: in Washington, d c. And representing we should add Delaware

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Speaker 4: for decades, as though he doesn't understand the ethics of

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Speaker 4: business interests and government, And then that would somehow reasonably

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Speaker 4: cloud his judgment in a way that makes it hard

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Speaker 4: for us to judge him as voters as citizens now,

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Speaker 4: and then you have Jim Himes saying they were talking

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Speaker 4: about the weather. According to Devin Archer, and if we

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Speaker 4: go out of order here, I'm so sorry. If we

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Speaker 4: could put C four up on the screen, this is

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Speaker 4: a tweet from Tom Bevin reacting to reporting that the

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Speaker 4: Bidens were using burner phones, and Tom quotes need burner

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Speaker 4: phones to talk about the weather because Biden told Archer

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Speaker 4: to get burner phones.

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Speaker 3: And this is just three days before there was.

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Speaker 4: A meeting with Joe Biden at the White House, So

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Speaker 4: they were just using those burner phones to talk about

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Speaker 4: the weather.

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Speaker 3: As Tom jokes.

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Speaker 4: So, Brian, what is your reaction to what seems like

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Speaker 4: a coordinated and it's hardly unusual to have coordinated talking points,

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Speaker 4: you be trotted out by people and they're defending a

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Speaker 4: politician under fire. What do you make of these these

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Speaker 4: these new defenses from Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me first say that, you know, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: has been much more involved with his kind of family's

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Speaker 1: finances than I think people understand. And I've done a

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Speaker 1: lot of reporting on this in the past, and people

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Speaker 1: should be able to look up some of my older

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Speaker 1: reporting on Joe Biden, James Biden, Hunter Biden, going back,

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Speaker 1: you know, to the nineties and the two thousands, and

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Speaker 1: so I think we have to bear that context in

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Speaker 1: mind as we're thinking through, you know, what Biden's role

742
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Speaker 1: was here at the same time, I would say that

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Speaker 1: if Biden is getting on the phone with Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: and making pleasantries to you know, let's say, business partners

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Speaker 1: at a dinner, unless Republicans can come up with something

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Speaker 1: more than that, like, unless they can prove or show

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Speaker 1: or you know, have some kind of evidence that that

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Speaker 1: Biden was getting paid or that Biden you know, was

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Speaker 1: aware of you know, who those people were, then I

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Speaker 1: don't think they have what they think they have here. Now.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's fair to say that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: knows that Hunter Biden, oftentimes when he's putting them on

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Speaker 1: the speakerphone, is doing it so that he can impress people.

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Speaker 1: And oftentimes those people are ones who are paying him

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Speaker 1: for his last name and for his access. And I

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Speaker 1: think if you're a liberal kind of watch watching this

757
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Speaker 1: right now, you should, you know, think about that, think

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Speaker 1: about what is what is Biden? What does Biden think

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Speaker 1: in that moment? And he probably knows exactly what's going on. Now,

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Speaker 1: this idea from Comer that therefore Joe Biden is guilty

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Speaker 1: of being a foreign agent, I you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's been remotely proven, because you'd have to show

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Speaker 1: that Biden did something. Now, Okay, yes, Biden did fire this,

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Speaker 1: uh this, you get this, get this Ukra brainting prosecutor

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Speaker 1: fired who was investigating Maarisa. But that was also American

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Speaker 1: policy at the time, so that so you can't completely

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Speaker 1: you can't really hang your case on that. Was there

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Speaker 1: anything else that Biden did when it came to Romania

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Speaker 1: or China or anything else related? You know, those things

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Speaker 1: remain just allegations, not even specific allegations, just kind of

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Speaker 1: brow kind of smoke. There is a lot of smoke,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that it was unethical and I

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Speaker 1: think that Hunter Biden was exploiting his father's grief at

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Speaker 1: that time. You know, it is one thing to talk

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Speaker 1: every day in this period of grief. It is another

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Speaker 1: thing to put your dad on speaker phone when you're

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Speaker 1: at a dinner party with your business partners like that.

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Speaker 1: You don't get the kind of grief exception for that move.

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Speaker 1: You know what you're doing there.

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Speaker 4: And that is so interesting. No, that's so interesting because

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Speaker 4: I think that's why they were doing this. Right, Like

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden is not a stupid man when it comes

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Speaker 4: to the blurring of line between government and business. Again,

784
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Speaker 4: like the man that represented Delaware for decades, Like he

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Speaker 4: absolutely understands, as a man who's in the Senate for

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Speaker 4: a very long time, exactly how these things are supposed

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Speaker 4: to work, exactly how influence pedaling works. He's been the

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Speaker 4: chair of the Senate Foreign Relations commit Like he absolutely

789
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Speaker 4: knows what these things are. And that's why I actually

790
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Speaker 4: think this is a really good point, because what Republicans

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Speaker 4: are very they really feel like each new revelation gets

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Speaker 4: them closer to maybe an impeachment hearing being opened. And

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Speaker 4: we talked last week about Kevin McCarthy floating that if

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Speaker 4: people stop cooperating, and obviously Archer ended up actually testifying,

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Speaker 4: So maybe if that was subtly about Archer or about

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Speaker 4: other things, that's off the table for the speaker now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But fundamentally, why would Joe Biden allow Hunter Biden to

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Speaker 4: come with him on Air Force two? Why would Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden stop by Cafe Milano where he knows damn well

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Speaker 4: that Hunter Biden's clients are there and seeing him is

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Speaker 4: what gets Hunted the money? Why would he say, quote,

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Speaker 4: I hope you know what you're doing. That's his own

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Speaker 4: admission to Hunter Biden when he takes on Barisma as

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Speaker 4: a client when Joe Biden has been fingered by the

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Speaker 4: Obama administration to lead you crane cause for the Obama

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Speaker 4: White House. Well, because there's always plausible deniability with something

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Speaker 4: like this, all Hunter Biden needs is the Biden last name.

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden doesn't need to actually do anything other than

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Speaker 4: hit the links, go to the golf course with Hunter's clients,

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Speaker 4: go to Cafe Milano, be on speakerphone, and as long

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Speaker 4: as he like, he actually doesn't have to talk about

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Speaker 4: business at all. I find it extremely hard to believe

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Speaker 4: that never happened in any sort of broad context whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm sure that it did.

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Speaker 4: But unless you have a smoking gun audio of that

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Speaker 4: conversation and Joe Biden, you know, being explicit about any

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Speaker 4: sort of quid pro quo, which, again, like that's what's

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Speaker 4: so slimy about this is that he knows there's always

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Speaker 4: plausible deniability. He knows that all he has to do

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Speaker 4: is show up and show these clients that Hunter is

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Speaker 4: in contact with his father.

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Speaker 3: That's all he has to do. And Hunter can talk to.

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Speaker 4: Other people that are not his father that can maybe

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Speaker 4: advance his policy interests and That's where I think Republicans

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Speaker 4: would be wise to focus on for the future. Are

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Speaker 4: there people that aren't on the Biden administration sanctions list

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Speaker 4: that were, you know, in Russia and Ukraine that are

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Speaker 4: tied to Hunter Biden. Are the results that we can

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Speaker 4: see sort of tangibly directly, whether it was in the

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Speaker 4: Obama administration or the Biden administration. You know, when it

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Speaker 4: came to Tony Podesta, you could look at how many meetings

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Speaker 4: he had with Clinton State Department, for instance, as he

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Speaker 4: was representing Yanikovich with the Paul mannifort when it came

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Speaker 4: to Ukraine, like, you can look, there are things you

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Speaker 4: can do to show what, you know, tangible results were.

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Speaker 4: So I'm interested in where that conversation goes. But to

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Speaker 4: your point, I actually think that's that's so interesting. I

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Speaker 4: don't know that they're ever going to get a smoking gun,

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Speaker 4: precisely because you don't ever need a smoking gun to

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Speaker 4: do influence peddling in this country.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also possible that Hunter Biden, in the

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Speaker 1: grips of a multi year vender, didn't actually do much.

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Speaker 1: That he was exploiting his father, exploiting his last name,

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Speaker 1: and then exploiting all of his clients, pocketing the money

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Speaker 1: and spending it just as fast without actually delivering. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if his like, you know, not showing up

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Speaker 1: for work is one of the things that could in

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Speaker 1: the end get him off of a feign charge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you have to spend a certain amount of your

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Speaker 1: time doing lobbying. I think it's more than twenty percent

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Speaker 1: of your time doing or or you have to do

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Speaker 1: something material to benefit these clients. And he'd be like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well guess what I was on skid row. I was

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Speaker 1: not actually lobbying on behalf of these Chinese energy companies

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Speaker 1: or Romania or Ukraine. I wasn't showing up for these

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Speaker 1: board meetings. I was wasted. So anyway, we'll see this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the Republicans have their work cut

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Speaker 1: out for them if they're going to, you know, find

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Speaker 1: the evidence is going to land this, but it is.

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Speaker 1: It is unseemly just like Hunter Biden should not have

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Speaker 1: had one of his first jobs be at BNA, the

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Speaker 1: bank that Biden represented, in the credit card company that

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Speaker 1: Biden represented, Delary shouldn't have become a lobbyist for MBNA.

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Speaker 1: You know, he shouldn't have done all of the things

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Speaker 1: that he's done throughout throughout his career. And Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: could have told him, if you want to do this,

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Speaker 1: you're a grown man, but you cannot use my name

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to help you along the way

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Speaker 1: because I ethically I find this to be repugnant. Joe

871
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Speaker 1: Biden did not do that.

872
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and partisan spin is partisan spin. I mean, you

873
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: know Him's and gold Goldman are going to represent their party.

874
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 4: This this new line of defense feels a bit desperate

875
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 4: to me and especially Jimes. It's very rich talking about

876
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Speaker 4: his talking about the Republican Party's lust for retribution as

877
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Speaker 4: his own party is championing the multiple indictments.

878
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Speaker 3: Against Donald Trump.

879
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: Again, like as politics, a little lust for retribution is

880
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 4: pure politics. And we'll just before we wrap here, put

881
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Speaker 4: C three up on the screen because we've been talking

882
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: a little bit about the Pharaoh charges. This is on Newsmax,

883
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 4: saying basically that he thinks Archer's testimony opens up a

884
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Speaker 4: fair charge Devin for Hunter Biden because or actually he's

885
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Speaker 4: even saying potentially Joe Biden. The Democrats have consistently taken

886
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden's position saying he never spoke with anyone Hunter

887
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Speaker 4: Biden was doing business with. And yet we learned today

888
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Speaker 4: that over twenty times, in fact, Joe Biden, while he

889
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Speaker 4: was vice president, spoke with people who were sending the

890
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Speaker 4: Biden family members these suspicious wires that the banks nor

891
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 4: anyone else in America know the purpose of the wires.

892
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Speaker 3: Before.

893
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Speaker 4: We've talked about Farah here a lot, because if you're

894
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: interested in corruption in Washington, DC, you go to the

895
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Speaker 4: Fair Database. You can just about any day of the

896
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: week have a bonanza just looking at who's representing who

897
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 4: in Washington and exactly how much money they're making for it.

898
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Speaker 4: It is basically the quintessential bipartisan griff. It's a World

899
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 4: War Two era law meant to sniff out people who

900
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Speaker 4: are spreading propaganda for a foreign agent, foreign country.

901
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: And you can imagine why.

902
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Speaker 4: That was important at the time that the law was enacted,

903
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 4: just for the sake of transparency. They don't make it illegal,

904
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 4: but you have to be transparent about it. And so

905
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Speaker 4: it's been weaponized, i would say, in recent years and

906
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 4: against kind of Trump allies. But you know, I think

907
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: it's important here that whether we're talking about Jared Kushner

908
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Speaker 4: or Hunter Biden.

909
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: This the more information the better.

910
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 4: The more people are being interrogated on this basis the better,

911
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 4: because these are serious loss They're in place for a reason,

912
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Speaker 4: and corruption is again like this is the quintessential bipartisan grift.

913
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Speaker 4: So as far as I'm concerned, the more information we

914
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Speaker 4: can get on this, the better, I guess. I guess

915
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: I wish the media was as curious about Hunter Biden,

916
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Speaker 4: and I guess potentially Joe Biden, although I agree with you, Ryan,

917
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Speaker 4: I don't know how.

918
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Speaker 3: Much is there there.

919
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: I wish they were as concerned about that as they

920
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Speaker 4: are about Jared Kushner or Paul Mannifort and when it

921
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Speaker 4: comes to Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Tony Podesta. But I

922
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Speaker 4: guess that's a conversation for another day.

923
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Speaker 1: Speaking of foreign influence, the Republicans are going after Blackrock

924
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Speaker 1: as well. The House Republicans are investing Gating whether or

925
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Speaker 1: not the investment firm has been putting money into Chinese

926
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Speaker 1: companies that are involved in either human rights abuses or

927
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Speaker 1: in backstopping the People's Liberation Army the Chinese military. What's

928
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Speaker 1: your read on this latest move from House Republicans Emily.

929
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is really interesting because if we put the

930
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Speaker 4: next set of elements up on the screen, the specific

931
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Speaker 4: allegations are pretty fascinating. You would think people would have

932
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Speaker 4: more shame than Blackrock seems to. This is the House

933
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Speaker 4: Like Command in China, led by Mike Gallagher. The committee

934
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Speaker 4: found that black Rock, across just five funds, as Philip

935
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Speaker 4: Wegmann of Real Clear Politics reports, invested more than four

936
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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty nine million in companies that the Committee

937
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Speaker 4: says pose a national security risk to the US. Now

938
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Speaker 4: is that just bloated neo conservative language from the committee.

939
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

940
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Speaker 4: If we dive in and keep going on this tweet thread.

941
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Speaker 4: They have the receipts. They have some really specific receipts. Actually,

942
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Speaker 4: we're talking about aviation companies. We're talking about aircrafts for

943
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Speaker 4: the People's Liberation Army. We're talking about cell phone telecommunications

944
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Speaker 4: infrastructure in the CCP spy apparatus. If you're watching this,

945
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Speaker 4: you see these all listed out on the screen. This

946
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Speaker 4: is Morgan Stanley, not Blackrock. Everything that I just listed out,

947
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Speaker 4: We can then move to the Blackrock slide that we

948
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Speaker 4: have prepared here that Philip tweeted out of the screenshots.

949
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Speaker 4: So when it comes to Blackrock also Aviation Industry Corporation

950
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Speaker 4: Morgan Stanley there as well. They are making aircraft for

951
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Speaker 4: the PLA that includes, as the Committee says, the fifth

952
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Speaker 4: generation J twenty fighter jet, and a munitions company, a

953
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Speaker 4: Chinese munitions company that produces artillery shells for the People's

954
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Speaker 4: Liberation Army. Now, whatever you think of the United States

955
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Speaker 4: policy towards China or China's policy towards the United.

956
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Speaker 3: States, it is the likelihood that those.

957
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Speaker 4: Artillery shells could be used against American sales members of

958
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Speaker 4: the American military in the years.

959
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Speaker 3: Ahead is not that low. There's a likelihood.

960
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Speaker 4: Sadly, that's where we are that the very artillery shells

961
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Speaker 4: that Blackrock is funneling people's investments into it could be

962
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Speaker 4: used against people in the United States of America. This

963
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 4: is again an investigation that the Select Committee has opened.

964
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Speaker 4: I think those receipts are pretty strong. Obviously, Morgan Stanley

965
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Speaker 4: and Blackrock are denying that they've done anything wrong. Ryan,

966
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Speaker 4: what do you make of I keep referring to them

967
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Speaker 4: as the receipts like we're at a real housewives reunion,

968
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Speaker 4: But what do you make of the evidence the committees presented.

969
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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing feels a little schizophrenic to me,

970
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: because our our economies are completely entangled with each other

971
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Speaker 1: as a direct result of American bipartisan foreign policy to

972
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Speaker 1: make China, you know, to give China permanent what do

973
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Speaker 1: they call it, permanent normal relations or a normalized PNTR

974
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Speaker 1: permanent normalized trade relations, which came in the late nineteen

975
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Speaker 1: nineties as a that was a kind of Clinton Clinton

976
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Speaker 1: Agenda item that was backed heavily by Republicans. We are

977
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Speaker 1: we produce, you know, most of our consumer goods over there.

978
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: Uh they you know, they purchase enormous amounts of our

979
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Speaker 1: of our debt. But then but then we then we

980
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: want to uh then then and we do draw some

981
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: lines around you know what US companies can invest in

982
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Speaker 1: and not invest in. But now the House Repulicans want

983
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Speaker 1: to take it even further and say, well, okay, this

984
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Speaker 1: isn't specifically outlawed, but if you look, you know it

985
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Speaker 1: is a company that has connections to producing you know,

986
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Speaker 1: ammunition which you know legitimately could be used against Americans

987
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: in Taiwan at some point, which and I say, it

988
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: feels schizophantical. I was like, all right, well, look, if

989
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: that's our policy, then then ban it. If or if

990
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: we're really worried about Chinese shells, you know, landing on

991
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: the heads of American soldiers, better thing to do would

992
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: be to make sure that that never happens, that the

993
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: Chinese never fire shells on American soldiers, because I don't

994
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the American soldier is going to be

995
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: that much more upset if he gets killed by a

996
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: black Rock funded munition or a munition that was you know,

997
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: funded by you know, some other fungible resources to China

998
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: put toward its munitions factor. I think primarily the soldier

999
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: would just prefer not to have been killed in the war.

1000
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: And so I think everything needs to revolve around the

1001
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: question of how do we avoid a completely unnecessary war

1002
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: like it's it's talked about in Washington and nowadays almost

1003
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: as if this this is destined to happen, that nobody

1004
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: has any choice, that we're headed towards this conflict. But

1005
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: this would be a war of choice, like there are

1006
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: other options that are available. And so then the question

1007
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 1: is does this type of stuff make or more likely,

1008
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: or make or less likely? Is it does this set

1009
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: us up to be, you know, to have more independence

1010
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: from China, or does it put us on a collision

1011
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: course for war? And I don't know exactly the answer

1012
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: to that, but I think it. I think that there

1013
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: is something incoherent about the way we're approaching it here.

1014
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: What would you have them? Do you think if if

1015
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: House Republicans could write write the law and kind of

1016
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: force Biden's hand to sign it.

1017
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a really good question because it gets

1018
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 4: into you know, when when Donald Trump, for instance, what

1019
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: was referred to as the Muslim Band, tried to identify

1020
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 4: problematic countries that people shouldn't be traveling to. And if

1021
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: you're just gonna it's like when they tried to do

1022
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: this with TikTok. One of the TikTok bills didn't actually

1023
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: mention China specifically. It was like broadly trying to define

1024
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: a hostile foreign nation. And then you get into a

1025
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: lot of different questions about different countries and where there

1026
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: are competing interests. By the way, you can look at

1027
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: the way that people who talk a big game about

1028
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 4: China look at Saudi Arabia for instance. Uh, And there's

1029
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 4: a really serious, I think question of how you decouple,

1030
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: How do you how do you deal with a country

1031
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 4: that is implicated in sort of intentional, coordinated government human

1032
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 4: rights abuses on your average citizen, let alone in Chinjong

1033
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 4: for instance, how do you how do you deal with

1034
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: that while also not you know, decoupling in a way

1035
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: that that starts a war. Obviously, Taiwan and Chips a

1036
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 4: huge question on the table. Obviously Blackrock is going to

1037
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: look at the fact that Intel is here in d

1038
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: C right now pouring millions of dollars into a lobbying

1039
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: effort to allow them to continue to have big business

1040
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 4: in China. That obviously will boost the Chinese government, the

1041
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 4: spying apparatus, et cetera, et cetera. And Blackrock is saying,

1042
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 4: we are trying to raise money for American pension funds.

1043
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 4: What's what makes us so different from Intel? What makes

1044
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: us so different from Walmart or wherever else? If we're

1045
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 4: we're all sort of boosting the Chinese economy, which is

1046
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: fundamentally dependent on the American economy. They need us, and

1047
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 4: that's why this trade war has been so bitter. And

1048
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: if we fully decouple from China, and there's an argument

1049
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: that there's sort of there's a desperation that leads to

1050
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Speaker 4: a potential invasion of Taiwan, which is obviously, as our

1051
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: government has said, our redline that you know, involves a

1052
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 4: hot conflict. I mean, this is it is an absolute mess,

1053
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 4: and basically it's the result of elite mismanagement over the

1054
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Speaker 4: course of decades that we're in the situation now, and

1055
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 4: nobody should have any confidence whatsoever that that's going to

1056
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 4: get better to prevent a hot conflict where actual lives

1057
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 4: are on the line, because they're the ones that have

1058
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Speaker 4: screwed this up for decades. And now we're in a

1059
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Speaker 4: position where it's like, okay, so we're just going to

1060
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 4: you know, posture about the evils of the CCP and

1061
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 4: the PLA, and a lot of us can agree on

1062
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: those things, but you know, what does that look like?

1063
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Speaker 4: Like you are we going to then take on Intel?

1064
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 4: Are we going to take on other companies?

1065
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 8: Like?

1066
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 3: How do you decouple in that way?

1067
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Speaker 4: I think obviously there's a difference between you know, Walmart

1068
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 4: and people who are investing in munitions investing in aircraft.

1069
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 4: I think that's obviously glaringly should be something that executives

1070
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: are ashamed, Like Larry Fink shouldn't for many reasons, but

1071
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 4: this one particularly feel comfortable walking into like cocktail.

1072
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Speaker 3: Parties in Manhattan, l or La.

1073
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Speaker 4: Like in a healthier society, he would be he would

1074
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: be a pariah because of all of this. But at

1075
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 4: the same time, to your point, like there isn't a

1076
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 4: fundamental incoherence too.

1077
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it also feels like with the increasing climate

1078
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Speaker 1: collapse that we're seeing, how many three weeks of one

1079
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Speaker 1: hundred and ten plus degrees in Phoenix, for instance, And

1080
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Speaker 1: that's just one part of the world that it's pathetic

1081
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: for the world leaders to be this close to like

1082
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Speaker 1: some type of a hot conflict between the two biggest economies,

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Speaker 1: rather than sitting down at the final stages of negotiations

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Speaker 1: around how we're going to maintain the inhabitability of this planet.

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Speaker 1: But I guess you know this is you know, that

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Speaker 1: would be my ideal world, but that's not the one

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Speaker 1: that we're in.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about Elon Musk, who's ex which formerly was Twitter,

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Speaker 4: filed a lawsuit against an anti hate speech purported an

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Speaker 4: anti hate speech group this week that I think raises actually,

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Speaker 4: I think perhaps one of the most important conversations in

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Speaker 4: American politics and culture in general right now.

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Speaker 3: But this is from NBC News.

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Speaker 4: X Corps, the parent company of social media platform formerly

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Speaker 4: known as Twitter. It's like Prince, filed a lawsuit in

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Speaker 4: San Francisco Federal court Monday against a nonprofit organization that

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Speaker 4: monitors hate speech and disinformation, falling through on a threat

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Speaker 4: that had made media headlines hours earlier, so you have

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Speaker 4: just hours between those headlines and the actual lawsuit itself.

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Speaker 4: So it was in the US District Court for the

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Speaker 4: Northern District of California and accuses the Center for Countering

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Speaker 4: Digital Hate. So the CCdh of orchestrating quote a scare

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Speaker 4: campaign to drive away advertisers from the X platform by

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Speaker 4: publishing research reports claiming that the social media service failed

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Speaker 4: to take action against hateful posts. Now in the filing,

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Speaker 4: the Twitter lawyers, the ex Court lawyers alleged that the

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Speaker 4: CCdh carried out quote a series of unlawful acts designed

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Speaker 4: to improperly gain access to protected ex court data needed

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Speaker 4: by the CCdh so that I could cherry pick from

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Speaker 4: the hundreds of millions of posts made each day on

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Speaker 4: X and falsely claim it had statistical support showing the

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Speaker 4: platform is overwhelmed with harmful content. This is actually fascinating

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Speaker 4: because one of the biggest problems social media companies have

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Speaker 4: right now, and in fact why you see over and

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Speaker 4: over again in the Twitter files and the Facebook files

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Speaker 4: that Jim Jordan has started sharing and people like Matt

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Speaker 4: Taibi and Michael Schallenberger have been covering excellently, what you

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Speaker 4: start to see is that these companies are so terrified,

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Speaker 4: maybe not under Elon Musk, but they're so terrified of

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Speaker 4: pressure from the media. In many cases, which is odd

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Speaker 4: that the media is acting is like the censors, the

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Speaker 4: defenders of free speech in the First Amendment are the

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Speaker 4: ones that are pressuring these companies and also from the

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Speaker 4: government to crack down on hate speech. And fundamentally, it's

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Speaker 4: a question of how we define hate speech.

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Speaker 3: So hate speech. So here's more from NBC News.

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Speaker 4: The research report that drew particular i R from ex

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Speaker 4: Corps claimed that the platform had failed to take action

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Speaker 4: against ninety nine percent of one hundred posts flagged by

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Speaker 4: the CCdh staff members that included racist, homophobic, and anti

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Speaker 4: Semitic content. Now, I don't think this research is public

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Speaker 4: and the NBC thing says that New York Times, Washington Post, CNN,

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Speaker 4: and NBC. They've cited their research, so that that is like,

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Speaker 4: actually pretty key.

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Speaker 3: How are they defining hate speech?

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Speaker 4: How are they defining defining racism, homophobia and anti semitism

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Speaker 4: anti semitism in particular, Ryan, this is where we find

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Speaker 4: found agreement that sometimes it is defined so broadly that

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Speaker 4: it becomes almost meaningless. I think the same thing is

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Speaker 4: true of racism and homophobia. When you're calling people who

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Speaker 4: just disagree with Colin Kaepernick kneeling for the National Anthem racist,

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Speaker 4: you know, whether they're white, black, Hispanic, if you're if

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Speaker 4: you're calling that racist, I think that's a crazy definition

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Speaker 4: of racism. In the same way that I think we

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Speaker 4: agree some of these definitions of anti semitism are crazy

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Speaker 4: and harmful to the cause of actually identifying and stamping

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Speaker 4: out the scourge of anti Semitism.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the suit, Ryan, I think.

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Speaker 1: You know, Twitter had, under Elon Musk, the ability to

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Speaker 1: go to these advertisers and show them all of the

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Speaker 1: data that is in their possession, do all of the

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Speaker 1: fancy analysis of that data, and show two let's Nabisco

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Speaker 1: or whoever is upset about the alleged hate speech and say, look, no,

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Speaker 1: this this little nonprofit they cherry picked, they stole our data.

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Speaker 1: It's it's unfair the way that they're you know, singling

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Speaker 1: us out. And here I can promise you that this

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Speaker 1: is a platform that is going to be safe for

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Speaker 1: your advertiser advertisements to appear on. And here's how we

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Speaker 1: can make those promises. Elon Musk either you know, fired

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Speaker 1: the teams that were capable of doing that, or just

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Speaker 1: decided not to do that, because the message he himself

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Speaker 1: was delivering publicly was the opposite. He was yelling at

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Speaker 1: these advertisers saying that you know, they ought to be

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Speaker 1: standing up for free speech. And if they if they

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Speaker 1: pulled their money. If you remember the very beginning, he's

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Speaker 1: he threatened them that he was going to stick his

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Speaker 1: army of people on them and like boycott, boycott them

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Speaker 1: and kind of a proto bud light thing. He never

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Speaker 1: managed to kind of pull any of any of that off.

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Speaker 1: And so the whole I mean, it almost seems like

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Speaker 1: too easy of a shot to dunk on him for

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Speaker 1: the hypocrisy around the free speech here. He's a free

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Speaker 1: speech app absolutist who's suing a nonprofit yeah, for speech

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Speaker 1: saying that it's speech you know, was insulting to them

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Speaker 1: and harm them. But yeah, like that, I have zero

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Speaker 1: sympathy for him because he he has all of the

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Speaker 1: Twitter data. Like if Unilever is concerned, you know, if

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Speaker 1: if he wants to meet Unilever's concerns about the platform,

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Speaker 1: he's capable of pitching them, just just like any other

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Speaker 1: social media platform is. But he doesn't want to. He thinks,

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Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, but he thinks that Unilever's concerns are

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Speaker 1: flawed and get in the way of his, uh you know,

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Speaker 1: the way that he wants to run his platform and

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Speaker 1: the people that he wants to allow, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: on onto his platform. And so to me, you can't

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Speaker 1: have it both ways, Like you don't. You don't get

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Speaker 1: to decide for Unilever where where they want to, where

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Speaker 1: they want to advertise. I do agree with you that

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Speaker 1: I've I've always found it a little bit corrupt when

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Speaker 1: digital media companies are doing this kind of crusading reporting

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Speaker 1: about who's advertising on Facebook or Twitter or Like and

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Speaker 1: and calling all these advertisers and it really feels like

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Speaker 1: pressuring them to stop advertising with them. And I call

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Speaker 1: it corrupt because they are direct competitors, like digital media

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Speaker 1: wants those advertisers. So if they can get these huge

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Speaker 1: accounts to you know, respond to my request for comment

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Speaker 1: about why you know you're advertising with Facebook or with

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Speaker 1: Twitter despite the fact that you know X person said

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Speaker 1: X terrible thing on Twitter. You don't respond by you know,

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Speaker 1: twelve tomorrow or I'm going to write a story that

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Speaker 1: you're still advertising with them, and so then you know

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Speaker 1: they pull out. Now they still have this advertising budget

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01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: lo and behold, they run that advertising budget with the

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Speaker 1: with the companies, with the digital media companies that that

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Speaker 1: drove drove them away. And so I have never thought

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Speaker 1: that there's a directive coming from the sales team like

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Speaker 1: please do this, but the economic and financial incentives are

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Speaker 1: such that it's it's always kind of made that feel

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Speaker 1: pretty icky.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is a big problem with advertisers. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's actually probably why you see the lawsuit

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Speaker 4: and I actually don't know what they're going to be

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Speaker 4: able to show that was illegal unlawful, like that's I

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Speaker 4: think that's pretty difficult given where to your point a

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Speaker 4: about coming from a free speech absolutist sort of amusing

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Speaker 4: but Secondly, I actually don't know what in that report

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Speaker 4: is going to actually constitute defamation or fraud or anything

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Speaker 4: like that. It reminds me actually of the story about

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Speaker 4: the Southern Poverty Law Center we talked about not that

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Speaker 4: long ago, where they had to admit in court filings.

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Speaker 4: You know, they like to act as though their designations,

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Speaker 4: which I think smear Christians Conservatives in ways that are

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Speaker 4: you know, some of those groups that they identify absolutely

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Speaker 4: deserve to be on their hate map, their hate list,

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Speaker 4: whatever it is. Some do not, And they had to

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Speaker 4: admit in court filings they're being sued by one of

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Speaker 4: those groups. They had to admit that they were subjective

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Speaker 4: and you know, not that their opinion basically. And that's

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Speaker 4: when we when we're you know, throwing around words like racist, homophobic,

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Speaker 4: anti semitic, it's always been a matter of opinion. We

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Speaker 4: haven't always agreed on what the definition of those terms are.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's an important thing to recognize. There

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Speaker 4: was a time when you know, there's just abject and

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Speaker 4: discussing denial of to call racism actual racism. And so

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Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I think that stuff is all important,

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Speaker 4: but I also think the weaponization of those terms is important,

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Speaker 4: and advertisers are are not going to catch on to

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Speaker 4: that because they don't want to risk advertising on a

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Speaker 4: space like Twitter where people are going to send them

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Speaker 4: messages and easily be able to tweet and be like,

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Speaker 4: why is your advertisement showing up next to this tweet?

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Speaker 4: So some of the I'm looking at I should correct myself.

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Speaker 4: I think some of this stuff actually is public. I

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Speaker 4: think the research here a lot of it actually is public.

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Speaker 4: And some of this is a stretch. Some of it

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Speaker 4: is absolutely hate speech, and it's absolutely like just incitement.

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Speaker 4: As an advertiser, you would never ever want your content

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Speaker 4: showing up next to this is one of the tweets

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Speaker 4: quote Hitler was right with a montage of Hitler attached

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Speaker 4: to the words you can understand why, yeah, you Andi

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Speaker 4: Lever wouldn't want to be next to that tweet, you know,

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Speaker 4: advertising for their soap. So it's both a problem for

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk and a problem for these groups.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 4: As you mentioned, it was actually like NBC News that

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Speaker 4: contacted Google about the comment section of The Federalist one time,

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Speaker 4: trying to get us kicked off of Google's ad platform,

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Speaker 4: which is a monopoly.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't Google. It was actually NBC News.

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Speaker 4: Other journalists, again taking down a competitor by saying our

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Speaker 4: comment section as opposed to Google, which runs YouTube by

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Speaker 4: the way, you know, it was was beyond the pale

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Speaker 4: and meant we should get off of the Google ad platform.

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Speaker 4: So ads are actually where we're testing, stress testing our

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Speaker 4: concept of free speech in an interesting way. So it's

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Speaker 4: a it's a lawsuit definitely to keep an eye on,

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Speaker 4: because it does in and out itself micro cosmically kind

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Speaker 4: of stress tests all of those questions.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure what's actually going to be illegal here.

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Speaker 3: So good luck to Elan. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That's the luck out there, buddy.

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Speaker 4: All right, Ryan, Well you're going to talk to us

1274
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Speaker 4: about some breaking news out of Niger. You're in France

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Speaker 4: right now, so actually sort of well placed. What have

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Speaker 4: you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the French interests in Africa have been challenged

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Speaker 1: a lot the last couple of years, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into you know, where that all's come, where

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Speaker 1: that all's come from, where it might be going. We

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01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: can put up our one here. Europeans, particularly French people,

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Speaker 1: are now being evacuated from the ger after this, after

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Speaker 1: a coup last last week and protests against kind of

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Speaker 1: French what they call occupation. You know, the presence of

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Speaker 1: French troops inside France. It's not just the French. If

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: you can put up R two here, the US has

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Speaker 1: a military presence in Nager as well, and reporting here

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: from Cena that US troops are being restricted to the

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Speaker 1: American base as as as things get tense in the country.

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Speaker 1: Part of the politics that are unfolding here are related,

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Speaker 1: to believe it or not, the Wagner Group. The Wagner

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Speaker 1: Group has been heavily active in Russia and has been

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Speaker 1: able to kind of fill a vacuum that's been created

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Speaker 1: by a lot of anti French hostility that stems not

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Speaker 1: just you know, from a colonial hangover, but more more

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Speaker 1: recently related to kind of the French and you know,

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Speaker 1: incumbent government's inability to put down the islam extremist militant movements.

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Speaker 1: Put up R three here. This is this has been

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Speaker 1: in Nager and other other surrounding country is a huge

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Speaker 1: kind of boon for for the Wagner Group and for

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Speaker 1: and for Russia. Uh and you as you see another

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Speaker 1: great game playing out between the United States, France, Russia,

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Speaker 1: China to try to get to get a sense of

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Speaker 1: kind of where where we're talking about and what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I assume not everybody knows exactly where, you know, where

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, and if you what, what's what's key here?

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Speaker 1: And we're going to get I'm gonna get into this

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Speaker 1: in a minute. Is the country just to the northeast

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Speaker 1: of of Nigeria, that is that is Libya and the

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Speaker 1: crisis in Libya that was fueled by the by the

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Speaker 1: French and supported by the United States and the US.

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Speaker 1: We think about it as just a US kind of

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Speaker 1: run operation against Katafi, really kind of French run with

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Speaker 1: US support, and that is how it's viewed in Central Africa.

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Speaker 1: And so the US is you know, has did it

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Speaker 1: self no favor supporting that. The French are the ones

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Speaker 1: that have kind of taken a lot of the hostility

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Speaker 1: to back up. If you guys, if you remember the

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Speaker 1: you know, the kind of Islamist organization, terrorist organization Boko Haram,

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Speaker 1: which was famous for kidnapping hundreds of girls. They under

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Speaker 1: pressure ended up allying with the Islamic State and creating

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Speaker 1: kind of a new insurgent movement that operates throughout Central

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Speaker 1: Africa and Burkina Faso, Mali and Najer and the result

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Speaker 1: has been enormous instability. So in twenty twenty you had

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Speaker 1: a coup in Mali and so that and then again

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Speaker 1: another coup in Mali in twenty twenty one, so the

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Speaker 1: military hunta is in charge over there. January twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: you had a military coup in Burkina Fasso, so the

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Speaker 1: military junta is in charge over there. That kind of

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Speaker 1: left Nagerer a little bit isolated. Nazer had its first

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Speaker 1: kind of peaceful quote unquote peaceful transfer of power in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one when President Mohammad Bazoom took over. I

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Speaker 1: say peaceful in quotes because there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: allegations of irregularities and there was like a ten day

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Speaker 1: shut off of the internet, and you know, a kind

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Speaker 1: of brutal crackdown, and so to say that it was

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: a perfectly peaceful transfer of power wouldn't be fair, but

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a peaceful transfer of power compared

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Speaker 1: to some of the civil wars in the region in

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Speaker 1: the past. So in Najer recently you had a movement

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Speaker 1: that's called M sixty two, which which people can look

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Speaker 1: up and it's it's fascinating kind of combination of civil

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01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: society groups, you know, the trade trade unions and others

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Speaker 1: who were frustrated economically as well as frustrated at the

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Speaker 1: lack of success in the war against the new Boko,

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Speaker 1: the new bulk of ram Uh. And so uh, you've

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Speaker 1: you did not have the M sixty two movement kind

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Speaker 1: of lead this coup, but you have seen them, uh

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Speaker 1: supporting the coup leaders. And also you've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in the streets celebrating the kind of uh

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: the French ship uh, you know, the kind of anti

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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: French sentiment, and and also then elevating Russia, saying that

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Speaker 1: they would prefer to align themselves with Russia, which you know,

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: ought to be a huge wake up call that if

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: you have uh, you know people in the streets, you

1356
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: know that are that are massing in numbers higher you know,

1357
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: anybody can bring a few people out on the streets

1358
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Speaker 1: and put a camera in their face, but if they're

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: massing in high enough numbers that they're staying out there

1360
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: for several days and waiving Russian flags, like you you

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: have a problem, and so there's there are now real

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Speaker 1: concerns that we're going to have a war in Central Africa.

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Speaker 1: You have a country Chad is being encouraged to start

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Speaker 1: sending troops into Nager to reinstall the president who's detained.

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Speaker 1: There's this organization over there called the Economic Community of

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Speaker 1: West African States, which is fifteen countries, and several of

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Speaker 1: those are the ones that are now now of coup governments.

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Speaker 1: The ones that do not have coup governments or are

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Speaker 1: still aligned with the West are threatening Nager that they're

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Speaker 1: going to send troops in and reinstall the president if

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Speaker 1: they don't do that, but to go back to Libya

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Speaker 1: for instance, Where did this all come from? In twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: the United States and France decided that it was in

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Speaker 1: our interests to go in and take out Kadafi and

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Speaker 1: insert ourselves and help produce a civil war. That produced

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Speaker 1: one of the most kind of famous hot mic moments

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Speaker 1: from then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. We roll R

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Speaker 1: five here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we came, we saw he died. Didn't have anything

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Speaker 3: to do with your visit, now, did so?

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Speaker 1: That's in reference to the killing of Kadafi, And so

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Speaker 1: here we are now more than ten years out kind

1383
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: of still living with the instability. The forces that were

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: unleashed in Libya have created the kind of insurgency that

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01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: is now spreading throughout the region that Russia is able

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Speaker 1: to exploit. All of this, of course, on the backdrop

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Speaker 1: of the shift towards clean energy, Africa being a source

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Speaker 1: of the rare earth materials that China and the United

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Speaker 1: States are competing for in order to power this transition

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Speaker 1: to a clean energy economy. So emily it hasn't gotten

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of attention here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Certainly in and France it has. Macrone has said that

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely untrue that he's going to send troops in

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: because the coup government, in order to kind of buttress

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Speaker 1: its own kind of strength with the public, is warning

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Speaker 1: the French are coming. The French are coming, because you know,

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Speaker 1: if you can elevate your the boogeyman of Macrone sending

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Speaker 1: in troops, then they're hoping people will rally around them.

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Speaker 1: He has said absolutely not or not, they're not going

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Speaker 1: in there. But Nager is the kind of leading source

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Speaker 1: of uranium for for France and Frances is a heavier,

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Speaker 1: heavy nuclear industry, economy. So you know, it's it's unclear

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Speaker 1: where this is going, but it looks like it's not going.

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Speaker 1: It looks like it's not going in a very peaceful place.

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Speaker 4: Colonialism very much still with us, as the show the

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01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,919
Speaker 4: story shows pretty clearly, and the point you just made.

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Speaker 1: About what is your point today, Let's talk.

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Speaker 4: About Dana Bash of CNN, who, in a conversation with

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Speaker 4: Holster Frank Lunz, so, I guess it's considered a writ

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Speaker 4: of center Polster. She I think also just revealed a

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01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 4: really problematic sentiment that persists it will never go away

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01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 4: despite you know, years of reckoning with a lot of

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Speaker 4: this from our media.

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Speaker 3: So let's play the clip of Dana Bash.

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Speaker 8: Let's look specifically about the former president and the support

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01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 8: before we get to the focus group that you did.

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Speaker 8: The support that he has nationally has grown since February,

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01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 8: twelve points since February, and DeSantis, who was just right

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01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 8: behind him at a time, is now even further behind him.

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01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 8: Who are these people who aren't part maybe necessarily of

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01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 8: like that Trump core what we call the Fifth Avenue

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01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 8: Republicans who you know, he famously says I could shoot

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01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 8: somebody on Fifth Avenue and those people will support me.

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 8: But the people on top of that who are looking

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01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 8: at everything that's going on that happened on January sixth,

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01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 8: and they're saying, Okay, I'll throw my support behind Donald Trump.

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Speaker 9: Okay, the less educator you are, the more likely you

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 9: are to support Donald Trump. Lower income people have been

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01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 9: unemployed at some point in the last five years. It's

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01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 9: a associate economic level that was once a Democratic voter,

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01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 9: which is quite interesting. The people have come over to

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 9: the GOP that gave them the majority in twenty sixteen.

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 9: A lot of them, maybe fifteen percent, have been voting

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Speaker 9: Democrat in the past, and they were simply frustrated, fed up.

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 9: They feel ignored, forgotten, even betrayed. And there's a level

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Speaker 9: of anger there that brought them to Donald Trump because

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 9: he represented and offered to be their voice and to

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01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 9: speak for them. And what has happened is that group

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Speaker 9: has actually grown over time.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to unpack there, But I want to

1441
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 4: first say, I think it's pathetic that Frank Lunz, an

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01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 4: elite polster, Kevin McCarthy's roommate, at least at one point,

1443
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 4: is the intermediary between Dana Bash and those voters. Right,

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01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 4: So you are going to talk about American politics every

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01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 4: single day and ask, with befuddlement to a Beltway polster,

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 4: what explains something that if you went to a bar

1447
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 4: in Iowa you could find out with much more context

1448
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 4: and texture in five minutes than if you've sat in

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01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 4: CNN's air conditioned studio and talked with your intermediary between

1450
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:27,440
Speaker 4: the people in you, Frank Lunz, like a multi millionaire

1451
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 4: Beltway inside Polster, Dana Bash shouldn't have to ask Frank

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01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 4: Lunz this question with confusion, and in fact, the idea,

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01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 4: the notion that she's confused by it in and of

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01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 4: itself is just I don't know. I want to use

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 4: the word frustrating, but it's beyond frustrating. I mean, it's pathetic,

1456
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 4: it's sad, and it's a huge story of what's wrong

1457
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 4: in American media right now, because that same question was

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01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 4: being asked repeatedly in twenty fifteen, not even just twenty sixteen,

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01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, after Donald Trump said what he said about

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 4: John McCain, after Donald Trump said what he said Russia.

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 4: If you're out there, let's see those emails. After Donald

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 4: Trump said you know if I were president Hillary Clinton, you'd.

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Speaker 3: Be in prison.

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01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: He has all of these moments throughout twenty fifteen and

1465
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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. During his presidency, we were sort of breathlessly asked,

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01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 4: who would still support him after the stormy Daniel stuff?

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01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 4: Who are these these Christian voters who are electing a

1468
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 4: man who who seems to be of such poor character

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 4: and doesn't truly care about Christians, as though they're all

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01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 4: rubes that don't understand. Donald Trump is in no ways

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 4: an evangelical Christian. He's the man who famously at Liberty

1472
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 4: University referred to quote two Corinthians instead of the Second Corinthians.

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01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 4: He is not a man he says the Bible is

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01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 4: his favorite book. I think that's a Trump quote once,

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01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 4: but I'm not confident that he reads it all that often.

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 4: And I don't think a lot of Christians have been

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01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 4: Christian Conservatives, Evangelical conservatives, white evangelical white evangelicals have been

1478
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 4: persuaded otherwise. And again, the answer to this question is

1479
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,759
Speaker 4: perfectly obvious, and it's one that Dana Bash should actually

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01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 4: be asking Democratic polsters. Why do Republicans who are not

1481
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 4: as she refers to those fifth avenue. Republican voters, the

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01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 4: people who stick with him time and time and again,

1483
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 4: why do they go with Donald Trump? Because their alternative

1484
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 4: for years has been Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 3: That's their alternative.

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01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 4: Joe Biden won't even get out there and debate, despite

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01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 4: the fact that a lot of his party wants him

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01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 4: to at least debate. Maren Willimsen posted a poll yesterday

1489
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 4: showing Robert daf Kennedy at about thirteen percent of the

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 4: vote and her around ten percent. So that's a quarter

1491
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 4: of the Democratic electorate. Joe Biden was around sixty three

1492
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 4: percent in that poll. It's about a quarter of the

1493
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: Democratic electorate right now openly supporting another candidate other than

1494
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 4: the sitting president of the United States.

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01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 3: Joe Biden is falling asleep in meetings.

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 4: He's fumbling all kinds of things, mixing up all kinds

1497
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 4: of things in ways that I just continue to test

1498
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 4: the limits the possibilities of how incapacitated a president possibly

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01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 4: can be. And yet that's why it's just is so

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01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 4: abundantly obvious. The media doesn't ask those question of Joe Biden,

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01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 4: and so then they end up looking like this, trying

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01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 4: to figure out why people who are not necessarily MAGA

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01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 4: rallygoers are voting for Donald Trump, and it's because the

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 4: media has shielded the Democrats from criticism. It's because the

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Speaker 4: media has in fact allowed Joe Biden to do things

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01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 4: that take those swing Republican voters and put them in

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 4: Trump's camp. They just have allowed that, facilitated it in

1508
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 4: so many different ways, shielded Democrats from reasonable criticism, to

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Speaker 4: the point where, Yeah, a whole lot of people are

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01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 4: pulling the lever for Donald Trump when their alternative is

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01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. It's just so so obvious. Plus it's equally obvious.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is Sacer and Crystal talked about this

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Speaker 4: a little bit yesterday, but I think it's worth repeating.

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Speaker 4: The New York Times actually does They did a poll

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 4: with Sienna that came out, as Crystal and Sager discussed,

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01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 4: they were able to break with the Republican electorate into

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01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 4: three groups the magabase, So that would be Danna Basher's

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01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,799
Speaker 4: Fifth Avenue Republicans. Donald Trump famously said I could shoot

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01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 4: someone on Fifth Avenue and people still vote for me.

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01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 4: Persuadable voters, and then voters who are not open to Trump.

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01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 4: So of the Republican electorate. You have thirty seven percent magabase,

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01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 4: thirty seven percent persuadable, and twenty five percent not open

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01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 4: to Trump. So that thirty seven percent of persuadable voters

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 4: is really who Dana bash is talking about. And if

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01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,759
Speaker 4: we look at that thirty seven percent of persuadable voters,

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01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 4: they are they less of them earn one hundred thousand

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01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 4: dollars a year or more, and less of them have

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01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 4: a college degree than people who are not open to Trump.

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01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 4: And that continues, as Frank Luntz highlighted rightfully in that segment,

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01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 4: that continues to decline the more supportive you are of

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01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And the one that really stood out for

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Speaker 4: me is this is their view on the issue of

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01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 4: whether America is in danger of failing. Eighty percent of

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Speaker 4: the Magabase says yes, America is in danger of failing.

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01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 4: Sixty one percent of persuadable voters say America is in

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01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 4: danger of failing, twenty five I'm sorry thirty seven percent

1537
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,759
Speaker 4: of that trunk that are not open to Donald Trump.

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 4: Only thirty seven percent of them say America is in

1539
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 4: danger of failing. And so, why then would people continue

1540
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 4: to support Donald Trump in the last six or so

1541
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 4: months after, as Dana Bash says, this information, You know,

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Speaker 4: did they not watch Liz Cheney's Select Committee hearings.

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Speaker 3: How could they possibly be coming to this conclusion? Is

1544
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: it because they're simply ignorant?

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01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 4: Is because they're bad people, They're they're bigoted, they're racist,

1546
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 4: or they just simply don't believe anything. We journalists, the vanguard,

1547
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 4: the interpreters of truth and reality, are telling them. That

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 4: has to be the only explanation. I Actually it's because

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01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 4: life is not so great outside of the air conditioned

1550
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 4: CNN newsroom. That's pretty clear. Again, if she had just

1551
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 4: taken the time instead of asking Frank Lentz, maybe went

1552
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:58,759
Speaker 4: into Trump Country or the suburbs where people are those

1553
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 4: parents in Dearborn, miss Evangelicals and Muslims are coming together

1554
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 4: and talking about books like Gender Queer being in libraries

1555
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 4: for really young people, and then seeing the teachers union

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01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 4: that is allied very closely with the Biden administration, defended

1557
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 4: by the Biden administration defend books like that the alternative

1558
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 4: and this is a real problem.

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Speaker 3: Like the fifth.

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Speaker 4: Avenue quote has always been interesting because as pathetic as

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01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 4: that is, that it's our state of affairs right now,

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01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 4: the alternative, so many people don't see it as being better,

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 4: and that is fundamentally I think a huge continues to

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 4: be a huge blind spot for the media that knows

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01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 4: a lot of powerful people in Democratic circles trusts, a

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01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 4: lot of powerful people in Democratic circles actually trust a

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01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 4: lot of people in never Trump Republican circles who are

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01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 4: of their same income class level.

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Speaker 3: And also just say, look.

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Speaker 4: Around you, America is not in danger of failing when

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01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 4: they don't live in communities that are ravaged by the

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01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 4: opioid crisis and de industrialization. And you know, I'll add,

1573
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Speaker 4: though a lot of you may disagree the sexual revolution,

1574
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 4: when they don't see that every single day, you obviously

1575
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 4: are going to struggle to I think, really fully come

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01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 4: to terms with that. And it's not just post January sixth.

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Speaker 4: This has been happening since Donald Trump proved to be

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Speaker 4: one of the most bizarre people who has ever run

1579
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 4: for office in the history of American politics, since twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Since twenty fifteen, and they still have not been able

1581
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,480
Speaker 4: to sort of wrap their heads around this phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: And I think part of that.

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Speaker 4: Is because they're asking Frank Lunz, Ryan, what did you

1584
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 4: make of Dana Vash's befuddlement in this context? Maybe I'm

1585
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 4: being uncharitable. Maybe she was just asking a reasonable question.

1586
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 4: I think it's fine to ask that question, although my

1587
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 4: impression is that she's genuinely stumped and confused by the phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not your job to be charitable.

1589
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1598
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Speaker 4: head in the studio. It makes it seem Ryan almost

1599
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