1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: This podcast is supported by BNP Parbias as part of their 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: global commitment to tennis at all levels. BNP Parribas is 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: the world's leading tennis sponsor and the title sponsor of 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: the BNP Paribas Open. 5 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,760 Rennae Stubbs: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Rennae Stubbs Tennis Podcast. What 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,400 Rennae Stubbs: a treat I have for you all today, the one 7 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,159 Rennae Stubbs: and only now Grand Slam champion Madison Keys. If I 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Rennae Stubbs: had a clapped thingy that I could afford, I would 9 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Rennae Stubbs: have done that. But welcome my friend. Wow wow wow. 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,639 Rennae Stubbs: First of all, the first thing I want to say 11 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,400 Rennae Stubbs: to you is before the Australian Open started, Jessica Pegula 12 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,480 Rennae Stubbs: has told everybody this. I saw her in the player's 13 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Rennae Stubbs: concierge at the Australian Open, and I walked up and 14 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,600 Rennae Stubbs: I said, hey girl, great week last week, you know, 15 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,120 Rennae Stubbs: way to make it through the finals. 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,880 Madison Keys: Good start to the year. 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,120 Rennae Stubbs: And she goes, Rennae, if Madison plays anything like she 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,960 Rennae Stubbs: did against me in the third set, she's winning this tournament. 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,800 Rennae Stubbs: And I was like, okay, that's some pretty high praise 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,000 Rennae Stubbs: from you. Sure enough, she was right. So I'm just 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Rennae Stubbs: gonna give Jess all the credit here. No none to you. 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,840 Madison Keys: She texted me after a match. I mean we traveled 23 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Madison Keys: together as well, but she texted me like, I got 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,479 Madison Keys: this long message as we're like meeting at each other 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,319 Madison Keys: at the airport, and she was like, no, you don't understand. 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,240 Madison Keys: You're playing unreal. Like She's like no, no, no, but 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,560 Madison Keys: but you don't get it. It's like unreal tennis. Like 28 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Madison Keys: just just do that again, Like I can't. She's like, 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,520 Madison Keys: I'm not even like sad that I last, because like 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,560 Madison Keys: that was insane. 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,400 Rennae Stubbs: I mean, you know, I've got so many questions when 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,520 Rennae Stubbs: I ask you, but did that did that resonate in 33 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,120 Rennae Stubbs: you at all? Like hearing it from someone who knows 34 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,240 Rennae Stubbs: you so well, also knows how you can play, but 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,640 Rennae Stubbs: also as being in the latter part of grand slams, 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,959 Rennae Stubbs: particularly the last one at the US Open. 37 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Madison Keys: I mean, yes and no. I think it's one of 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Madison Keys: those things where I definitely felt like I was playing 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,679 Madison Keys: really well. I feel like I almost played better in 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Madison Keys: Adelaide than I did in Melbourne. I was playing just 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,480 Madison Keys: unreal tennis. Everything just kind of was coming together really 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,720 Madison Keys: easily and just kind of worked my way through the 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,880 Madison Keys: draw fairly simply. But you know, those weeks where you 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,960 Madison Keys: kind of are just like, yeah, like this is just 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Madison Keys: kind of my week. So it was just one of 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,440 Madison Keys: those things where I was like thanks, like, yeah, I've 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,600 Madison Keys: been working hard, but like it was a good week. 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Madison Keys: But it's funny. After I won, she was like, I 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,320 Madison Keys: feel like I'm very happy for you, but I feel 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Madison Keys: she was like, I feel like everyone else is just 51 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Madison Keys: catching up to where I've been for two weeks. So 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Madison Keys: she's like, I'm not surprised. I'm not like I just 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,920 Madison Keys: expected this to happen. 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,320 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah. I will give Casey Dellacqua a lot of credit 55 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Rennae Stubbs: to because she picked you as well because she saw 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,639 Rennae Stubbs: you play a lot in Adelaide. So before we get 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,840 Rennae Stubbs: to the match and all of the things that I 58 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,760 Rennae Stubbs: want to talk to you about, what's the last few 59 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,640 Rennae Stubbs: weeks been like for you? And I just want you 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,360 Rennae Stubbs: to tell people what the moments were like, as in 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Rennae Stubbs: the hours after you won the tournament, like what are 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Rennae Stubbs: the things that people have no idea? Yeah, it looks 63 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,639 Rennae Stubbs: all glamorous, you get this big check, you get a trophy, 64 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,960 Rennae Stubbs: and they think you just walk away. Nah, can you 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,280 Rennae Stubbs: tell people what you've what you had to do immediately 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Rennae Stubbs: after the match and then subsequently after. 67 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,920 Madison Keys: That, Yeah, it's been it's been kind of crazy, and 68 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,000 Madison Keys: even being a player, I had no idea like the 69 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Madison Keys: hours that go into it. Immediately from the court I 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,360 Madison Keys: went and I did. I think we did like six 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Madison Keys: live TV interviews all in a row, hadn't even showered yet, 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Madison Keys: had no food. Literally at I was like, I'm so thirsty, 73 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Madison Keys: Like I haven't had a drink of water. It's been 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,480 Madison Keys: like an hour. So did that, and then finally had 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Madison Keys: like twenty minutes, had drug testing that I had to do. Yeah, yeah, 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Madison Keys: finally took a shower, shoveled food in my face because 77 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Madison Keys: I was like, oh, I'm already late, and then probably 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,360 Madison Keys: did another like two hours of media. So I think 79 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,240 Madison Keys: we got back to the hotel at almost three. It 80 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,919 Madison Keys: was like two thirty. And of course then I'm like 81 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Madison Keys: I can't sleep, so I don't think. I don't think 82 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,440 Madison Keys: I even partially fell asleep until like five am, and 83 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,280 Madison Keys: then I think it was like eight o'clock. I had 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,599 Madison Keys: to wake up in the morning and had like more media, 85 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,320 Madison Keys: more stuff, did that for the morning, and then finally 86 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,520 Madison Keys: around like I think it was probably around noon or 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Madison Keys: one o'clock, we were finally like done for the day. 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Madison Keys: And then I had to pack. I was just a zombie. 89 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,360 Madison Keys: I was like so happy, but also it was like 90 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,120 Madison Keys: I hadn't even taken a breath and absorbed anything that happened. 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,280 Madison Keys: And then we had to fly. We flew back to 92 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,039 Madison Keys: the States. I went to New York. I had like 93 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,719 Madison Keys: an entire day of press in New York. Got back 94 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,400 Madison Keys: like Tuesday night, I think, got back to Florida Tuesday night, 95 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,480 Madison Keys: and before the season had even started, we had agreed 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,200 Madison Keys: to do. One of the commitments that I had to 97 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Madison Keys: do was for like that Wednesday. So I literally landed 98 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,680 Madison Keys: and had to go back in and do more stuff 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Madison Keys: the next day. And then it's like the just kind 100 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Madison Keys: of the follow up, last minute interviews and everything, and 101 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Madison Keys: I think it was probably I think it was like 102 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,680 Madison Keys: Thursday night, and I finally said to my agent. I 103 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,200 Madison Keys: was like, I'm done, Like I can't. I'm gonna put 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,279 Madison Keys: my phone in a drawer. I can't talk, Like I'm 105 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Madison Keys: I cannot talk to anyone else. I can't be on 106 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Madison Keys: my phone. It's going in a drawer. If anyone needs me, 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,480 Madison Keys: caled Yarn, I will talk to everyone on Monday. 108 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, So I don't I really wanted you to tell 109 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Rennae Stubbs: people that because I want people to understand what it's 110 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Rennae Stubbs: like to you know, and I'm sure you have such 111 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,920 Rennae Stubbs: respect now for people that do this all the time, 112 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,480 Rennae Stubbs: that have won, you know ten twenty plus Grand Slams. 113 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,119 Rennae Stubbs: It's like, this is the way it is, and clearly 114 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,640 Rennae Stubbs: they're used to it, so they know what's coming. But 115 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,280 Rennae Stubbs: I wanted people to understand that it's not just all 116 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,920 Rennae Stubbs: these roses. It's a lot of work, you know, and 117 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,760 Rennae Stubbs: you can't say no to that kind of thing. So 118 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,920 Rennae Stubbs: I want to know. There's moments like I'm not putting 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,440 Rennae Stubbs: myself any even remotely close to winning a singles Grand Slam. 120 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Rennae Stubbs: But I remember first time I won a Grand Slam, 121 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,120 Rennae Stubbs: and I got into the shower after the match, and 122 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,240 Rennae Stubbs: it was the first time I felt like I was alone. 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,440 Rennae Stubbs: Was there a moment where you were alone where it 124 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,400 Rennae Stubbs: all hit you that you had just won. 125 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,440 Madison Keys: I think it was probably like it was kind of 126 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,240 Madison Keys: after all of the interviews and everything were done, because 127 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,200 Madison Keys: it felt like I was finally able to sit with 128 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:10,040 Madison Keys: my own thoughts. And I think I was just kind 129 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,400 Madison Keys: of like sitting at home and going through like just 130 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,560 Madison Keys: the normal routine of you're back home, you're making coffee 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,280 Madison Keys: or whatever. And I think this was back in Florida. 132 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Madison Keys: It was like days later. It was like days later, 133 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,320 Madison Keys: and I finally just sat there. I was like, holy crap, 134 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,520 Madison Keys: I did that. Like that actually it actually happened, And 135 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,560 Madison Keys: and it's it's a it's a weird thing when something 136 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Madison Keys: that you've been like dreaming of and working towards since 137 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Madison Keys: you were a little kid and then you finally do it, 138 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Madison Keys: the like mental and emotional shift that happens where you're like, wait, 139 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,680 Madison Keys: I actually did it, yeah, and then you kind of 140 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,880 Madison Keys: were sitting there and you go, wait, what do I 141 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:02,520 Madison Keys: do now? Like, oh wait, like what's next? Like I've 142 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,360 Madison Keys: I've spent almost thirty years of my life essentially like 143 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,280 Madison Keys: working towards this thing, and it's always felt like it was, 144 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,040 Madison Keys: you know, just a little bit far away and like 145 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Madison Keys: I had to still keep working for it, and then 146 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,240 Madison Keys: I did it, and now I have to like totally, 147 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,880 Madison Keys: I feel like I'm like shifting as a person. Yeah, 148 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,880 Madison Keys: And it's I think it's also weird because it's like 149 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,680 Madison Keys: I think when when it's still a dream and it's 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,720 Madison Keys: still a goal, you kind of have like all these 151 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,440 Madison Keys: bows and rainbows around it and you're like it's going 152 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,440 Madison Keys: to be the greatest moment of my entire life, and 153 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,640 Madison Keys: then it happens and you're like, Okay, that was really 154 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,840 Madison Keys: really great and I really loved it and I'd love 155 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Madison Keys: to do that again. But also, that's not really what 156 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,560 Madison Keys: I thought it was going to be, Like. 157 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, that's interesting in what way? In what way? Like 158 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,319 Rennae Stubbs: it is it because you're like, oh, well, what's next. 159 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,240 Madison Keys: I think there's a little bit of that, And part 160 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,800 Madison Keys: of that, actually, as a tennis player, kind of annoys 161 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,040 Madison Keys: me that that's like the first thought because every other 162 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Madison Keys: sport they have like their thing and then they have 163 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Madison Keys: all this off time and they get to enjoy it, 164 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Madison Keys: and for us it's like, oh, there's another tournament two 165 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:19,560 Madison Keys: days later. 166 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,960 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't have an office like four months. 167 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,200 Madison Keys: No. So I think that's part of it. But I 168 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,800 Madison Keys: think the other thing was I think for a really 169 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Madison Keys: long time for me, I had this kind of thought 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Madison Keys: around winning a Grand Slam and what it would mean 171 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,840 Madison Keys: and what it would do, and I think in my 172 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,680 Madison Keys: brain it was like it would be like this life changing, 173 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,840 Madison Keys: insane thing that I finally felt validated in all this, 174 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,880 Madison Keys: and then I think I finally got to the point 175 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,439 Madison Keys: in my career where I was like, Okay, I don't 176 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,640 Madison Keys: really need to win a Grand Slam to feel like 177 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,480 Madison Keys: I've achieved a lot in my career. So I think 178 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,680 Madison Keys: I kind of stopped thinking about what it would be like, 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Madison Keys: and then it kind of just all happened in my 180 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,480 Madison Keys: brain quickly, and so it was just kind of it 181 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,360 Madison Keys: just it was like my brain had to actually get 182 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,559 Madison Keys: on track with like everything that had happened so quickly. 183 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Rennae Stubbs: So I always talk about I've talked about many times 184 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,520 Rennae Stubbs: on my podcast or just in general terms, and I 185 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,640 Rennae Stubbs: always talk about the subconscious and conscious minds, And so 186 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,559 Rennae Stubbs: for me, it's like your conscious mind is always has 187 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Rennae Stubbs: always said to you, you're good enough to win this, 188 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,600 Rennae Stubbs: and yes, you know, when you made your first Grand 189 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,680 Rennae Stubbs: Slam final, You're like, yeah, I'm going to win this match. 190 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,680 Rennae Stubbs: But there's this little, tiny, little tiny Madison Keys in 191 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,560 Rennae Stubbs: the back of the This is how I describe it. 192 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,000 Rennae Stubbs: It's like the little one that's in the back of 193 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Rennae Stubbs: the mind going no, you're not, You're really not You're 194 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,079 Rennae Stubbs: really not, You're really not ready. Idon't know if you're 195 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Rennae Stubbs: good enough. Is it a little bit like you talked 196 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,720 Rennae Stubbs: about already, You've always said you felt like was maybe 197 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,120 Rennae Stubbs: a little bit an attainable thing. You weren't quite sure 198 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,600 Rennae Stubbs: if you could get there, so well, I want to 199 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,000 Rennae Stubbs: know then, like after Adelaide and going into the Aussie 200 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,240 Rennae Stubbs: and having an extraordinarily bad, tough draw like you had 201 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,800 Rennae Stubbs: the you had arguably the hardest draw in the tournament, 202 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Rennae Stubbs: which maybe was a good thing for you. I don't know, 203 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Rennae Stubbs: but do you was when you played, particularly the Semis 204 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,160 Rennae Stubbs: and the final against arguably the two best players in 205 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,920 Rennae Stubbs: the world, were your subconscious and conscious minds a little 206 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,680 Rennae Stubbs: bit more aligned, better than they've ever been, Like, was 207 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,120 Rennae Stubbs: that little madisone sort of being shut down a little 208 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:33,560 Rennae Stubbs: bit more? 209 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,240 Madison Keys: I think I think there was definitely there's I mean, 210 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,200 Madison Keys: I think there was still moments of doubt, I think, 211 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,160 Madison Keys: but I think that's the one thing that I'm kind 212 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,680 Madison Keys: of coming to terms with is that there's always going 213 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,960 Madison Keys: to be doubt. It's it's a normal reaction feeling. It's 214 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Madison Keys: just life. You're never going to go through life and 215 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,720 Madison Keys: say I'm one hundred percent confident all of the time. 216 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Madison Keys: It's just it's not possible. 217 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:11,240 Rennae Stubbs: So I think not having the negative reaction towards doubt 218 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,080 Rennae Stubbs: and and wasting energy and time being mad at myself 219 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Rennae Stubbs: for having doubt and just and almost like fighting against 220 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,920 Rennae Stubbs: it and saying, well, no, I. 221 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,360 Madison Keys: Don't think that, like that's not true. I know I 222 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Madison Keys: am confident, and instead saying like, okay, like that's a 223 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,320 Madison Keys: fine feeling to have, but like you can have that 224 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Madison Keys: feeling and you can also still win this match, so 225 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,320 Madison Keys: like it doesn't have to be you don't have to 226 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,079 Madison Keys: be one hundred percent. I'm gonna win this and everything 227 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,599 Madison Keys: is gonna be perfect. So I think that's that was 228 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Madison Keys: a big shift for me. That helped a lot, just 229 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,719 Madison Keys: kind of knowing even throughout a match, there's gonna be 230 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,839 Madison Keys: ebbs and flows, and there's gonna be times when you're 231 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,120 Madison Keys: super locked in, and then there's gonna be times when 232 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,160 Madison Keys: you kind of get lost in the clouds. And I 233 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Madison Keys: think the reason that the top players are so good 234 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Madison Keys: is because when they do get lost in the clouds, 235 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,920 Madison Keys: they come back so quickly and without judgment. So I 236 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,440 Madison Keys: think that's kind of where I've gotten a lot better, 237 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,840 Madison Keys: just kind of being able to refocus and not have 238 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Madison Keys: the judgment around the negative thoughts or things or doubts 239 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,840 Madison Keys: that pop up in my head and wasting time on 240 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,960 Madison Keys: being annoyed at myself for having them. 241 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, so how much is you know? I love so 242 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,360 Rennae Stubbs: much that you talked about going to regular therapy and 243 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,640 Rennae Stubbs: not a sports psychologist, which a lot of people do. 244 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,880 Rennae Stubbs: And I'm a really big believer in. It's probably your 245 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,280 Rennae Stubbs: actual self that's the problem here, you know what I mean. 246 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,520 Rennae Stubbs: It's not necessarily how you react in a certain point, 247 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,160 Rennae Stubbs: it's how you perceive yourself. So even the way you've 248 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,320 Rennae Stubbs: just talked, now you know how much did actually just 249 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,720 Rennae Stubbs: going in to actual regular therapy and you're happy in 250 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,559 Rennae Stubbs: your life. It's not like you were fighting with your 251 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Rennae Stubbs: boyfriend at the time and like you were going in 252 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,319 Rennae Stubbs: and I need to fix my or maybe you were, 253 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,560 Rennae Stubbs: I don't know, but like I'm pretty sure you weren't, 254 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,280 Rennae Stubbs: but I haven't hear we were crying. Pretty sure, I'd 255 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,560 Rennae Stubbs: beyond be hard to argue with. But but like, who 256 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,760 Rennae Stubbs: was the catalyst that said how about this? Or was 257 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,640 Rennae Stubbs: that all you? And I got to give Petko a 258 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,120 Rennae Stubbs: lot Andrea Petkovic a lot of credit because we were 259 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Rennae Stubbs: talking about you know, your racket and beyond and the 260 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,080 Rennae Stubbs: service motion and all the things which we might get to. 261 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Rennae Stubbs: But Petko's like, yeah, but she's the one that made 262 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,880 Rennae Stubbs: that decision. She's the one that decided to go to therapy, 263 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,240 Rennae Stubbs: so I want to know how that came about. 264 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Rennae Stubbs: So it was it was kind of funny. I definitely 265 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,560 Rennae Stubbs: went originally and like sit down and I was like, 266 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,040 Rennae Stubbs: I want to make ten ofs better and I want 267 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Rennae Stubbs: to be good and I want to have fun on 268 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Rennae Stubbs: the court. And she was like okay, and then she 269 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,120 Rennae Stubbs: asked me one question about my life and I just 270 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,040 Rennae Stubbs: started like sobbing, and she was like, do we think 271 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,480 Rennae Stubbs: maybe this isn't just about tennis? And I was like, oh, 272 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:16,520 Rennae Stubbs: maybe you're onto something. But I was just to a point, 273 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Rennae Stubbs: and I think I think the reason that a lot 274 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,640 Rennae Stubbs: of things are highlighted in tennis is because it's I mean, 275 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,640 Rennae Stubbs: it's high stress. You're out there by yourself. I mean, 276 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Rennae Stubbs: it's just if you have anything going on, you put 277 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Rennae Stubbs: yourself in tennis and it's just a pressure cooker. So 278 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,640 Rennae Stubbs: everything just feels amplified. And I think off of the court, 279 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,600 Rennae Stubbs: it's a lot easier to hide from any sort of 280 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Rennae Stubbs: things that you're trying to ignore. Yeah, and then on 281 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,280 Rennae Stubbs: a tennis court, it's you double halt on breakpoint at 282 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,080 Rennae Stubbs: five all in the third and you're ready to just 283 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Rennae Stubbs: completely lose your marbles. So I think for me, I 284 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,920 Rennae Stubbs: definitely started in the thought of, like, I just want 285 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,680 Rennae Stubbs: to make tennis better. My life is great, I'm fine, 286 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,320 Rennae Stubbs: I feel great about myself. I just you know, get 287 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,240 Rennae Stubbs: really more of us storing Kinnis matches. But I was 288 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Rennae Stubbs: I was really struggling with my relationship with tennis, and 289 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,520 Rennae Stubbs: that's kind of a hard place to be when it's 290 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,640 Rennae Stubbs: not only your job, but your job basically consumes ninety 291 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Rennae Stubbs: five percent of your life. And it was really kind 292 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:36,160 Rennae Stubbs: of starting to bleed over into my personal life. And 293 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Rennae Stubbs: I think at the core of it, it was just 294 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:45,480 Rennae Stubbs: how I felt about myself, yeap. And I think that's 295 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Rennae Stubbs: the tricky part about I mean about just deeply caring 296 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:57,520 Rennae Stubbs: about your career path and what you are very passionate about, 297 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,920 Rennae Stubbs: is it's hard to separate the two things. So when 298 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,280 Rennae Stubbs: you feel some way about something that you're doing, it 299 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Rennae Stubbs: kind of it's all just one. So I was starting 300 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,840 Rennae Stubbs: to kind of just really struggle just overall. And I 301 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Rennae Stubbs: would say that it was it was just kind of 302 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,199 Rennae Stubbs: starting to become a little bit more apparent to a 303 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,680 Rennae Stubbs: lot of people that hey, I think maybe you need 304 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Rennae Stubbs: to go talk to someone, and it's obviously more obvious 305 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,040 Rennae Stubbs: on a tennis court. So it started with maybe it'll 306 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Rennae Stubbs: help the tennis and all that, and then from there 307 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,120 Rennae Stubbs: it was really, you know, Okay, I think I need 308 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Rennae Stubbs: to like work on some of my own beliefs that 309 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Rennae Stubbs: have kind of started to become pretty deep inside. 310 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,880 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah. I mean, honestly, I think it's such a phenomenal 311 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,399 Rennae Stubbs: thing that you're talking about it so openly, because I 312 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,879 Rennae Stubbs: think you'll hope so many people realize that, you know, 313 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,760 Rennae Stubbs: there's so much, especially someone as good as you, you know, 314 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,399 Rennae Stubbs: you cannot not help. But hear people say, but Madison's 315 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,720 Rennae Stubbs: so good, she hits the ball bigger than everybody. She 316 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,959 Rennae Stubbs: should be winning these matches. And at some point it 317 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Rennae Stubbs: has to start, You have to. I would imagine you 318 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Rennae Stubbs: would start thinking, well, why the fuck am I not 319 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,600 Rennae Stubbs: winning these matches? You know what I mean, And then 320 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,760 Rennae Stubbs: it starts to chip away at you just as a 321 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,879 Rennae Stubbs: human being. You know, you're just like, well, I'm just 322 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,000 Rennae Stubbs: not good enough, I guess you know. So I'm so 323 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,720 Rennae Stubbs: proud of you for doing that, because that's a huge 324 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Rennae Stubbs: step to be able to go in and like dig 325 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,520 Rennae Stubbs: really deep into into your own life. So you know, 326 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,920 Rennae Stubbs: before we get back to the match, I want to 327 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,320 Rennae Stubbs: know quickly, who was the first phone call that you 328 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,199 Rennae Stubbs: made after you won? Because I mean, the people that 329 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,080 Rennae Stubbs: you love so much that have been in your corner, 330 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Rennae Stubbs: you know, Kayla and Richard and beyond, they were there immediately, 331 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,560 Rennae Stubbs: you know, in tears and it was amazing. But who 332 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Rennae Stubbs: was the first phone call you made? 333 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Madison Keys: I called my mom? 334 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,439 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, what was her reaction? 335 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,399 Madison Keys: Honestly, it's funny. It's a lot of swear words, I 336 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Madison Keys: love you tears, followed by I'm so proud of you. 337 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,159 Madison Keys: I mean, you could do it. I mean just it 338 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,679 Madison Keys: was just it was funny. It was funny then, and 339 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,600 Madison Keys: I was like, I am I am my mother's child. 340 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,639 Rennae Stubbs: You are definitely definitely, oh mean, I love that. I 341 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Rennae Stubbs: figured it would be your mom. But you never know, 342 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,119 Rennae Stubbs: you know, Max might want you to call him first 343 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:23,760 Rennae Stubbs: for some reason. 344 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,199 Madison Keys: But you know, no, he was he was mess. He 345 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,439 Madison Keys: was like, you can't call me. I'm still weeping, Like 346 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,400 Madison Keys: I can't, I can't talk to you for a few 347 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,600 Madison Keys: days because I'm just gonna just weep. 348 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,399 Rennae Stubbs: Have you watched the match? 349 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Madison Keys: Since I've watched some highlights, I have watched match. 350 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,680 Rennae Stubbs: Just so you know, I've watched the match three times. 351 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,480 Rennae Stubbs: I swear to god, I've watched it three times. It 352 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,000 Rennae Stubbs: was such a good tennis match. 353 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,600 Madison Keys: But anyway going, I've watched some highlights, but I haven't 354 00:19:53,680 --> 00:20:00,400 Madison Keys: actually sat there and just like watched it. Fully. Yeah, 355 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,280 Madison Keys: there's definitely there are some highlights, and I feel like 356 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,040 Madison Keys: there's a few points that are just like. 357 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,320 Rennae Stubbs: On replay, which tell me which ones? 358 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Madison Keys: Honestly, the one that I still cannot believe was five 359 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:21,679 Madison Keys: all thirty all in the third. The return, and I 360 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,160 Madison Keys: have no idea, but I remember just even like how 361 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Madison Keys: I reacted after I made it, did you like fun? 362 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Madison Keys: I was like, oh, that was a big point. 363 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,480 Rennae Stubbs: Well, I have to say to you you know, clearly 364 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,119 Rennae Stubbs: I was doing the coverage court side and Mary Joe Fernandez, 365 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Rennae Stubbs: I believe, I'm not sure one hundred percent sure, but 366 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,800 Rennae Stubbs: I'm fairly certain she said, just deadpan, just went that 367 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Rennae Stubbs: is the shot of the tournament, or it might be 368 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,560 Rennae Stubbs: in the match. It was like, you couldn't say anything 369 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,080 Rennae Stubbs: other than that because you were on the edge of 370 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Rennae Stubbs: that precipice there, right, and you know, we all know 371 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,919 Rennae Stubbs: we can all talk about the US Open match, and 372 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,879 Rennae Stubbs: they were so similar the match with Sebolenka, like you 373 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,040 Rennae Stubbs: won the first set seeks love, and I was thinking, 374 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,840 Rennae Stubbs: did you think about losing a game in the first 375 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,600 Rennae Stubbs: set at the Australian Open, just so you didn't do 376 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,080 Rennae Stubbs: the same thing. 377 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,159 Madison Keys: You know. It's funny. I didn't even think of the 378 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Madison Keys: match at the US Open at all. Well, didn't even 379 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,359 Madison Keys: popp into my head. 380 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,400 Rennae Stubbs: That is remarkable because I just getting ready to talk 381 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,760 Rennae Stubbs: to you today I saw of you know, I was 382 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,359 Rennae Stubbs: wanted to go back and watch that match because I 383 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,399 Rennae Stubbs: did the match, but I couldn't really remember. I know, 384 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Rennae Stubbs: you're up a set in five to three, but I 385 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,320 Rennae Stubbs: have to say Sabalenka played off her trait from a 386 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,560 Rennae Stubbs: set in five to three. 387 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,639 Madison Keys: So I mean she played well and I think she 388 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,920 Madison Keys: played so well. And I think the thing that going 389 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,920 Madison Keys: into this final I kept saying to myself was she 390 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,440 Madison Keys: played brave. She went after her shot, she didn't back up, 391 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,640 Madison Keys: she went after everything. And I really wanted to make 392 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,560 Madison Keys: sure that I did that this match because I felt 393 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Madison Keys: like at the US Open, I let my foot off 394 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Madison Keys: the gas pedal one hundred and gave her more opportunities 395 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,400 Madison Keys: than she already is capable of creating by herself. 396 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Rennae Stubbs: I actually wrote down here five three, fifteen thirty lazy legs. Yeah, 397 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Rennae Stubbs: because you at fifteen thirty went had a chance to 398 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,639 Rennae Stubbs: maybe win the match at five to three in the 399 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,399 Rennae Stubbs: second set. You had a ball that was kind of 400 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,480 Rennae Stubbs: like mid range. It was like one of those ones 401 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,240 Rennae Stubbs: you could have got around and hit your beforehand, and 402 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,000 Rennae Stubbs: you chose to hit a backhand and you missed it. 403 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,119 Rennae Stubbs: And I remember thinking, if that was the stray and 404 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,760 Rennae Stubbs: Open this year, you would have absolutely got around and 405 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,639 Rennae Stubbs: crushed an inside out for hand, which you did on 406 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,800 Rennae Stubbs: match point. So I think that's the difference, and that's 407 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,919 Rennae Stubbs: an interesting so you can learn from your losses and 408 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:47,919 Rennae Stubbs: you do. What was the conversation with Bjorn after the 409 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,439 Rennae Stubbs: first set? I saw you go over. You had a 410 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,600 Rennae Stubbs: bit of a laugh. Actually she went off the court, 411 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,480 Rennae Stubbs: I think, and I think he might have been given 412 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240 Rennae Stubbs: you a bit of crap about your slice backhand because 413 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,240 Rennae Stubbs: you went into a little bit of negative slice back 414 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,800 Rennae Stubbs: and maybe it was after the second set, but you guys, like, 415 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,399 Rennae Stubbs: what was the conversation that you were primary? That was 416 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,359 Rennae Stubbs: the primary thing that he was trying to get across 417 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,440 Rennae Stubbs: to you most of the time, particularly at the end. 418 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Madison Keys: I think it was really just trying to get on 419 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:21,359 Madison Keys: the offense before she did, and I think that that 420 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,479 Madison Keys: was kind of the key, and I think the biggest 421 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,320 Madison Keys: thing in the second set. I thought she started doing 422 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,840 Madison Keys: a really great job of mixing things up. She started 423 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,280 Madison Keys: using her drop shot so well. And I think I 424 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,719 Madison Keys: don't even really remember what exactly we were talking about, 425 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,520 Madison Keys: but it was really just trying to try to stay 426 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Madison Keys: on offense so that she can't do that as much, 427 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,720 Madison Keys: and just keep trying to stay close in the match 428 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,119 Madison Keys: and then just try to sink your teeth into it. 429 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,000 Madison Keys: And I remember before we switched sides, he kind of 430 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Madison Keys: just said, like, it's fine, like you're going into a 431 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,600 Madison Keys: tiebreaker if you lose this game, Like go after some 432 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,119 Madison Keys: of the turns a little bit, just because I was 433 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,360 Madison Keys: kind of making some but they weren't good enough that 434 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,280 Madison Keys: she was usually either hitting a winner or getting on 435 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Madison Keys: offense on her first ball. So he was like, fine, 436 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,120 Madison Keys: just like go after a little bit more like take 437 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,959 Madison Keys: a step back and take full cuts. 438 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:47,000 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah. I looked at the stats today of the match, 439 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,399 Rennae Stubbs: and you hit two return winners in the entire match. 440 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,199 Rennae Stubbs: And you hit one in the third set and it 441 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,960 Rennae Stubbs: was the love fifteen and I was sitting next to 442 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,200 Rennae Stubbs: as you know, Laura Robson, who's one of your best friends, 443 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,320 Rennae Stubbs: and I hit her on the arm and I was like, 444 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,040 Rennae Stubbs: holy shit, she she's gonna win this match. And it 445 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Rennae Stubbs: was just like, I want you to talk a little 446 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Rennae Stubbs: bit about I always talk about the slope at this 447 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Rennae Stubbs: train Open. There's a little bit of a slope, the 448 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,400 Rennae Stubbs: downhill slope from the President's end down. How much did 449 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,399 Rennae Stubbs: that help, like in the last game, because in the 450 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,760 Rennae Stubbs: game before you gestured to be on because he wanted 451 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,480 Rennae Stubbs: you to step up on the return and you said, 452 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Rennae Stubbs: I can't. I don't know exact words, but you are 453 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,680 Rennae Stubbs: basically like. I can't really do it. Tell people how 454 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Rennae Stubbs: at home, how the slope is a little bit difficult 455 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Rennae Stubbs: at this train Open, and how being down one end 456 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,719 Rennae Stubbs: to the other is very difficult on return, and so well, 457 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,360 Rennae Stubbs: I think. 458 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,560 Madison Keys: It's a little bit of the slope. And it's also 459 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,359 Madison Keys: if there's any sort of breeze. It always comes from 460 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Madison Keys: the end. 461 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,800 Rennae Stubbs: It's not in my opinion, it's not super typical, especially 462 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,920 Rennae Stubbs: on a big stadium, for it to be from one 463 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,920 Rennae Stubbs: baseline to the other. You usually have some sort of crosswind, 464 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Rennae Stubbs: but this one is pretty strong from directly behind you. 465 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,479 Rennae Stubbs: So I think that along with the slope that one 466 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,800 Rennae Stubbs: side is it's easier to return and it's harder to serve. 467 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,679 Madison Keys: Oh it's not of the serve with the wind and 468 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,320 Madison Keys: the slope. 469 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,600 Rennae Stubbs: No. No, if you're on the other side, and I'm 470 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,200 Rennae Stubbs: saying if the wind is behind you or the wind 471 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,639 Rennae Stubbs: is in front of you, when the wind is in 472 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,320 Rennae Stubbs: your face and you're serving uphill, you can feel you 473 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Rennae Stubbs: can feel the difference, and you kind of feel like 474 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,560 Rennae Stubbs: you're It's like, okay, usually my serve is like supposed 475 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,200 Rennae Stubbs: to help me, and all of a sudden, I feel 476 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,080 Rennae Stubbs: like I'm like behind somehow. So I think I kind 477 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,600 Rennae Stubbs: of I kind of knew that was there, and I 478 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,439 Rennae Stubbs: I just kind of was like, Okay, well, I'm just 479 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,399 Rennae Stubbs: gonna try to go a little bit extra on these, 480 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Rennae Stubbs: just because at least the wind's not going to be 481 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,800 Rennae Stubbs: pushing it into me. Yeah, And for I mean, for 482 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,679 Rennae Stubbs: whatever reason, I just was like way more locked in 483 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,240 Rennae Stubbs: that game. Yeah, I mean it was so impressive, But 484 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080 Rennae Stubbs: take me to the match point. When you got to 485 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,320 Rennae Stubbs: match point fifteen forty, which is a little bit of 486 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,040 Rennae Stubbs: a buffer, but also at the same time, it's kind 487 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,879 Rennae Stubbs: of like it almost makes you more nervous because you're like, 488 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,480 Rennae Stubbs: oh my god, I've. Got to You're like, oh my god, 489 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,600 Rennae Stubbs: if I lose this one, it's forty thirty, and then 490 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,200 Rennae Stubbs: if I lose that one, then it's duece. We hate 491 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,240 Rennae Stubbs: to tell people, but that is exactly what goes through 492 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,359 Rennae Stubbs: the mind. So what went through your mind at fifteen 493 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Rennae Stubbs: forty because you played a phenomenal point to get to fifteen forty, 494 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,280 Rennae Stubbs: you got a couple of balls back that maybe people 495 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,080 Rennae Stubbs: thought you weren't going to get back, you speedy little devil. 496 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,359 Madison Keys: I think at forty fifteen it was just I just 497 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,159 Madison Keys: kind of kept thinking, like, she's probably gonna hit a 498 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,879 Madison Keys: great serve because I feel like whenever you back her 499 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,000 Madison Keys: into a corner is when she plays her best. So 500 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,080 Madison Keys: it was, you know, just expect it. Obviously hit a 501 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,639 Madison Keys: great serve, couldn't do anything about it, walked over to 502 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,080 Madison Keys: the other side, and I think all I really said 503 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,720 Madison Keys: to myself before the point was just try to have 504 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,280 Madison Keys: a good like deep middle return, just to try to 505 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,760 Madison Keys: be neutral, like I just don't want to be on 506 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,359 Madison Keys: defense right away. And I did and I think I 507 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,439 Madison Keys: actually hit it better than I thought. And the first 508 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,639 Madison Keys: ball came in the first forehand I hit, I didn't 509 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080 Madison Keys: hit it clean and I wanted it to go more 510 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,040 Madison Keys: off the court and it went up the middle and 511 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,399 Madison Keys: I remember thinking, oh shit, like she might do something 512 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,119 Madison Keys: with that. And then she did it and it kind 513 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,680 Madison Keys: of came back to me and I was like, well, 514 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,880 Madison Keys: it's sour and never you might as well just go 515 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,400 Madison Keys: for it. 516 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Rennae Stubbs: So really, that's when the ball came back to you. 517 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,800 Rennae Stubbs: You were a little bit sort of semi surprised at 518 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640 Rennae Stubbs: old shit, she didn't do something with a lesser shot 519 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,920 Rennae Stubbs: of mules, and you said, fuck it, I'm going for it. 520 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,760 Madison Keys: Yeah, because I really wanted to. I mean, the whole 521 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,440 Madison Keys: point in the whole game plan for the match was 522 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,640 Madison Keys: to try to be on offense as quickly as possible. 523 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,480 Madison Keys: So as I kind of mishit it, I was a 524 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,480 Madison Keys: little annoy at myself because I was like, I should 525 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,040 Madison Keys: have done something better with the ball that I got. Yeah, 526 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Madison Keys: And so the ball that came back, I was like, Okay, 527 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,240 Madison Keys: I can definitely do something with this, and I don't. 528 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,880 Madison Keys: I want to make sure I do more in the 529 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320 Madison Keys: ball that I just hit or else. I'm definitely not 530 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,320 Madison Keys: getting another opportunity. 531 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,000 Rennae Stubbs: When it came off your racquet, did you know as 532 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,120 Rennae Stubbs: a stride winner because she was leaning for. 533 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,800 Madison Keys: No. I think I was still like creating for something 534 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,240 Madison Keys: to come back, because I feel like it is funny. 535 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Madison Keys: I feel like watching the replays and watching the highlights, 536 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080 Madison Keys: it's like it takes me a second to actually be like, 537 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,240 Madison Keys: oh shit, I did win. It's over. 538 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,600 Rennae Stubbs: You know, there were crazy stats in the third sit, 539 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,960 Rennae Stubbs: and I wrote a couple of them down and I 540 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,960 Rennae Stubbs: have no idea if you looked at the stats, probably not, 541 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,840 Rennae Stubbs: But you were getting crushed on your second serve in 542 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,959 Rennae Stubbs: the third set, and she was winning eighty two percent 543 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,040 Rennae Stubbs: on her second serve and you were winning fifty four percent. 544 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,360 Rennae Stubbs: She only won sixty eight percent of her first serf 545 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,959 Rennae Stubbs: and you won eighty five. So the difference with her 546 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,440 Rennae Stubbs: hitting first serfs, you were actually better off hitting her 547 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,480 Rennae Stubbs: first serf. Is that not a crazy stat? In the 548 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:16,960 Rennae Stubbs: third set? 549 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880 Madison Keys: That is kind of crazy. Yeah. 550 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,240 Rennae Stubbs: I couldn't believe that stat when I saw it. And 551 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Rennae Stubbs: you guys, there was one point that separated you in 552 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,320 Rennae Stubbs: the match and one point that separated you in the 553 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Rennae Stubbs: third set. That's how close the match was overall. 554 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,600 Madison Keys: I mean it was I felt like it was one 555 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,440 Madison Keys: of those matches where her level wasn't amazing at the start. 556 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,520 Madison Keys: Mine was pretty good, and I think she really raised 557 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,160 Madison Keys: her level in the second set, and I hadn't quite 558 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Madison Keys: cut up yet, and then I felt like the third 559 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Madison Keys: set was just dogfight, really high level tennis on bull sides. 560 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,640 Rennae Stubbs: No, it was incredible third set, which is why I 561 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,520 Rennae Stubbs: think it's so fascinating that you didn't think about the 562 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400 Rennae Stubbs: US Open because they were so similar in so many 563 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,805 Rennae Stubbs: ways other than the fact that you were well ahead 564 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,040 Rennae Stubbs: at the US Open, I felt like there was so 565 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,160 Rennae Stubbs: when I've watched it since, there was very similar. So 566 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,240 Rennae Stubbs: I'm pretty impressed that you didn't think about the US 567 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480 Rennae Stubbs: Open in that match is probably what helped you get 568 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,040 Rennae Stubbs: through it, to be quite honest, is that you didn't 569 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,360 Rennae Stubbs: think about it. So after you when you know, there's 570 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,280 Rennae Stubbs: this tears, it's just such a great moment. Everybody, so 571 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Rennae Stubbs: many people were so happy for you, Madi, including me. 572 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,520 Rennae Stubbs: I mean, there was a lot of tears. Mary Joe 573 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,360 Rennae Stubbs: Fernandez was having a hard time in the in the booth, 574 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,120 Rennae Stubbs: I was having a hard time. I was trying to 575 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Rennae Stubbs: get through my last little bit about you. The thing 576 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,240 Rennae Stubbs: that impressed me the most is that you won that match. 577 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,480 Rennae Stubbs: She did not lose. That you won that match, which 578 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,880 Rennae Stubbs: is such a great feeling. But also talking about what everybody, 579 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Rennae Stubbs: what you said about what you had to do in 580 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,200 Rennae Stubbs: the days after, is why I'm so happy that you 581 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,479 Rennae Stubbs: didn't go to the Middle East. What discussion was that, 582 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,800 Rennae Stubbs: Like with Beyond, I had a discussion with him actually 583 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,240 Rennae Stubbs: when I saw him that night, and I was like 584 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,479 Rennae Stubbs: don't let her go to the Middle East. I was like, 585 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Rennae Stubbs: because one thing Sam Stosur said after the match, I 586 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,880 Rennae Stubbs: did a recap with her on my podcast and she said, 587 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,280 Rennae Stubbs: the one regret I have after winning the ucycle was 588 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,080 Rennae Stubbs: going to Asia because I didn't give myself the time 589 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,440 Rennae Stubbs: to take it all in and enjoy it. So what 590 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080 Rennae Stubbs: was the reasoning behind not going to the Middle East 591 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,320 Rennae Stubbs: and what's the thought process now going into Indian wells? 592 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,440 Madison Keys: Well, there was a lot of back and forth on it, 593 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,480 Madison Keys: and I had obviously, I mean I obviously played the 594 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,600 Madison Keys: whole tournament with my leg taped up as well, which 595 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,560 Madison Keys: it wasn't ever really a hindrance, but it was also 596 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440 Madison Keys: still something that I was like, it's obviously not one 597 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,960 Madison Keys: hundred percent, so that was obviously also part of it, 598 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,160 Madison Keys: was also a factor in it, but it was I 599 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,920 Madison Keys: think by the time I got home and had actually 600 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,320 Madison Keys: like finally had just a day at home where I 601 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Madison Keys: didn't have to do anything, I think I would have 602 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,240 Madison Keys: had to have got I think it was like eight 603 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,280 Madison Keys: or eight days, and I was gonna have to travel again. Yeah, 604 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,440 Madison Keys: And obviously the flight home is it's over. It's over. 605 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,200 Madison Keys: It's like a twenty eight hour day of travel, and 606 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,560 Madison Keys: so I was thinking, Okay, eight days later, I'm gonna 607 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:20,080 Madison Keys: have to do another twenty hour plus travel day play 608 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,760 Madison Keys: two weeks, fly all the way to the last coast, 609 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,840 Madison Keys: so then go to the east coast, and then you 610 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,719 Madison Keys: have a few weeks and then you go back to Europe. 611 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,760 Madison Keys: And I just I was like, Okay, there's no way 612 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,080 Madison Keys: I can get on a plane in eight days. Yeah, 613 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,480 Madison Keys: and I just I'm still I was so even the 614 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,080 Madison Keys: week that I started hitting. I think I started hitting 615 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480 Madison Keys: like the Monday after we got home, so I had 616 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,200 Madison Keys: four or five days off, and even then I was 617 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:58,479 Madison Keys: still exhausted, just mentally, emotionally, just so tired, and I 618 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,160 Madison Keys: kept kind of thinking like maybe we still just do Dubai. 619 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,560 Madison Keys: But then it's also like it's so far for one tournament, 620 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,719 Madison Keys: and it just it was just kind of like the 621 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,759 Madison Keys: pros and cons of do you go all that way, 622 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,759 Madison Keys: maybe have a good tournament, maybe not, And it just 623 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,319 Madison Keys: it felt so rushed, and I still it took me 624 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120 Madison Keys: like a full week of practice to finally feel like 625 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,480 Madison Keys: I was back to myself. And so I was like, 626 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,040 Madison Keys: why am I going to go put myself in a 627 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Madison Keys: bad situation where I'm finally feeling better on the court, 628 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,560 Madison Keys: I'm finally feeling like myself again. Why am I going 629 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,680 Madison Keys: to try to like rush and put myself in this 630 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,520 Madison Keys: situation where I don't feel ready because I'm not. I 631 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,439 Madison Keys: haven't had enough time to fully recover. Why why would 632 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,879 Madison Keys: I do that to myself? 633 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,719 Rennae Stubbs: I think that's called maturity, and I think, and I'm 634 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,520 Rennae Stubbs: serious when I tell you this, Like it was the 635 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,840 Rennae Stubbs: one thing that Sam said in the pod. She's like, 636 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,480 Rennae Stubbs: I hope she doesn't I said, I have a feeling 637 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,840 Rennae Stubbs: she probably won't go, but he goes. I hope she 638 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759 Rennae Stubbs: doesn't go because it's the one regret that I have 639 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600 Rennae Stubbs: because it's so overwhelming what you've just gone through and 640 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,080 Rennae Stubbs: you have to take it in right. And one of 641 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,120 Rennae Stubbs: the things that Sam said is you also have to 642 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,240 Rennae Stubbs: always remember just because you won the ustrae and Open, 643 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,960 Rennae Stubbs: or in Sam's case, the US Open, doesn't mean you're 644 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,799 Rennae Stubbs: going to win the next match, you know, so you 645 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,680 Rennae Stubbs: have to be willing to be prepared to, you know, 646 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,640 Rennae Stubbs: go through the hard work again and deal with that because, 647 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,000 Rennae Stubbs: as you already pointed out, tennis is really hard. You 648 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,359 Rennae Stubbs: don't have an off season to enjoy this big win. 649 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Rennae Stubbs: So how has everything been like preparing now and getting 650 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,040 Rennae Stubbs: yourself ready for an Indian Wells? Where do you feel 651 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,920 Rennae Stubbs: like you are emotionally and mentally? 652 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,040 Madison Keys: I feel like it's it's been a good amount of 653 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,520 Madison Keys: time for me to be back on court, and I 654 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,799 Madison Keys: feel like, I mean, like I said, it felt like 655 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,360 Madison Keys: it took seven to ten days to finally find my 656 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,560 Madison Keys: feet again. And I think the other thing that's really 657 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,239 Madison Keys: funny is I'm sure Sam experienced as well as now, 658 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640 Madison Keys: all of a sudden you're dealing with your own expectations 659 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:18,160 Madison Keys: all of a sudden dramatically changing. So what But I 660 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,440 Madison Keys: think I've had to be really honest with myself and 661 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640 Madison Keys: know that that's going to be something that I'm going 662 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,880 Madison Keys: to have to work through because it's a totally normal 663 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,360 Madison Keys: thing to happen. But it's also like no one really 664 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,279 Madison Keys: thrives when you're going out and thinking like I have 665 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,239 Madison Keys: to win everything now. So I think that's going to 666 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,000 Madison Keys: be I mean, that's going to be my new challenge. 667 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,760 Madison Keys: And obviously it's it's a really good place to obviously 668 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,680 Madison Keys: be in to have to like learn how to deal 669 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,160 Madison Keys: with that pressure because it means that you've done some 670 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,960 Madison Keys: really big things. But it's definitely something new that I'm 671 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,640 Madison Keys: going to have to figure out how to whether the 672 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,360 Madison Keys: storm that I'm creating. 673 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,080 Rennae Stubbs: Especially like, yeah, especially in the US. 674 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,680 Madison Keys: And I think that's It's also been a good amount 675 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,600 Madison Keys: of time for me to get to the point of 676 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,960 Madison Keys: realization because at first I was like, yeah, no, I'm 677 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,839 Madison Keys: totally cool, Like I'm just gonna think this exact same 678 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,040 Madison Keys: way and everything will be fine. And I was like, Okay, well, 679 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,160 Madison Keys: you're lying to yourself. So once we get to the 680 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,880 Madison Keys: point of like honesty, then we can move forward and 681 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,439 Madison Keys: we can work that way. 682 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480 Rennae Stubbs: So have you been back to your therapist? 683 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Madison Keys: Multiple times? 684 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,960 Rennae Stubbs: Okay, so great, I'm glad you said that. What was 685 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,319 Rennae Stubbs: the first conversation. What was what was the first like 686 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080 Rennae Stubbs: one two minutes, like when you walked in the door 687 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,600 Rennae Stubbs: to see her or him. 688 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,000 Madison Keys: Just like immediately tears. I was like, I'm so happy, 689 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,520 Madison Keys: I'm so happy. But then it was it was really 690 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,920 Madison Keys: good because even after my match, I got the assign 691 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,560 Madison Keys: to do a lot of writing and just make sure 692 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,879 Madison Keys: that you put all of it out there and really 693 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,040 Madison Keys: kind of live in all of the moments. And there 694 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,040 Madison Keys: was definitely a little bit like I had already kind 695 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,880 Madison Keys: of gone into okay, but what next? And she was 696 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,560 Madison Keys: very quick to be like, hmm, let's like, let's let's 697 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,759 Madison Keys: take this win. Let's like live in the wind a 698 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,319 Madison Keys: little bit longer. Yeah, just to just really like just 699 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,680 Madison Keys: appreciate it. It's just like you work so hard for it. 700 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,760 Madison Keys: It's it would be such a shame to not actually 701 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,840 Madison Keys: enjoy it and just immediately shift into Okay, there's a 702 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,640 Madison Keys: new tournament next week, like gotta go do that. 703 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,680 Rennae Stubbs: Does it get to be a little bit more like 704 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,879 Rennae Stubbs: exciting what you now know that you're capable of doing 705 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,680 Rennae Stubbs: under the most incredible duress. I mean, as I said, 706 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440 Rennae Stubbs: you know, for people that don't know your drawl was 707 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,880 Rennae Stubbs: insane and you beat some of the best, if not 708 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,640 Rennae Stubbs: arguably the best players in the world are at the 709 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,239 Rennae Stubbs: Grand Slam. You know, you beat Eager, you beat Rybakina, 710 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,319 Rennae Stubbs: you beat Sabalenka. It's like you beat Switzerland, who's been 711 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,160 Rennae Stubbs: there a million times. Like you beat Danielle Collins, Like 712 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,880 Rennae Stubbs: you beat so many people in that tournament that know 713 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,760 Rennae Stubbs: what it's like to be deep into a Grand Slam 714 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:27,319 Rennae Stubbs: and to win them. I also now know watch out 715 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,560 Rennae Stubbs: people because Madison knows now how to win the big matches. 716 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,000 Rennae Stubbs: And so how much does that actually excite you going forward? 717 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,640 Madison Keys: It's been really exciting, and I think that I think 718 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,279 Madison Keys: I feel really grounded as well. I think I have 719 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,560 Madison Keys: a really have just some of the best people around me, 720 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,200 Madison Keys: and it's probably the most honest that I've been just 721 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,000 Madison Keys: where I'm at and what's going on in my brain. 722 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,719 Madison Keys: And I feel like they have helped me navigate so 723 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,799 Madison Keys: many moments. And even before before I played Iga in 724 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,520 Madison Keys: the Semis, my fitness trainer just looked at me and said, 725 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,200 Madison Keys: you know that, like you're worthy of this, like you 726 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:23,480 Madison Keys: can do it, and just like immediate tears. And then 727 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,880 Madison Keys: he made me say it back to him and I 728 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,000 Madison Keys: was like I can't, Like I actually can't say it, 729 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,200 Madison Keys: and he's like, no, no, no, like you're gonna say it. 730 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,120 Madison Keys: And it's I mean, it's it's little things like that 731 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,640 Madison Keys: that I don't think people like saying that. I don't 732 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,560 Madison Keys: think people really understand like how much of an impact 733 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560 Madison Keys: that makes. Yeah, but it makes a huge impact. And 734 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,680 Madison Keys: it's just that little bit that you know deep in 735 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,360 Madison Keys: the third that you have something to hang on to. 736 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,640 Madison Keys: So I think I'm really excited about obviously what I 737 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,480 Madison Keys: can do, but I think I'm more excited just with 738 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,439 Madison Keys: the people that are around me and getting to have, 739 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,919 Madison Keys: you know, hopefully a really good season, but just I mean, 740 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,520 Madison Keys: I've just been so happy to be at this point 741 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,040 Madison Keys: in my career and have the people that I have. 742 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,799 Madison Keys: It's just it's honestly just kind of like icing on 743 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,160 Madison Keys: the cake. 744 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,319 Rennae Stubbs: I think that's why we saw all the tears from 745 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,480 Rennae Stubbs: your team. We knew we were going to get tears 746 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,719 Rennae Stubbs: from beyond, but to see Kaylor, to see Richard like 747 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,640 Rennae Stubbs: just to see them because they know how much and 748 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,840 Rennae Stubbs: we know we see you guys together all the time. 749 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,800 Rennae Stubbs: We know what you guys have been through, and particularly 750 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,799 Rennae Stubbs: with your ill you know your injuries and everything that 751 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,600 Rennae Stubbs: you've had. I mean Wimbledon last year, I thought you 752 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,799 Rennae Stubbs: were playing unbelievable. But does that give you a lot 753 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,960 Rennae Stubbs: of hope knowing that if physically you can stand up 754 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,200 Rennae Stubbs: to it now mentally you know you can. How much 755 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,120 Rennae Stubbs: does that help you? Because I can tell you I've 756 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,080 Rennae Stubbs: said this to people. I'm not putting any pressure on you, 757 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000 Rennae Stubbs: but you are good enough to win every single Grand 758 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,480 Rennae Stubbs: Slam because you can play on every surface. So you 759 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,600 Rennae Stubbs: know not to put pressure on you know, not to 760 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,239 Rennae Stubbs: do it to yourself, but you know, I want you 761 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,399 Rennae Stubbs: to feel that way like when you go into those 762 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,239 Rennae Stubbs: slams now, that's where your head should be. You are 763 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,840 Rennae Stubbs: worthy of that. Do you feel that? 764 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:14,919 Madison Keys: Yeah, well that I definitely feel like I've It's kind 765 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,839 Madison Keys: of like it's like, Okay, you finally you finally knock 766 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,200 Madison Keys: the wall down that you had been struggling against. And 767 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:28,160 Madison Keys: I think now it's such a it's such a exciting 768 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,560 Madison Keys: place to be because you know how you knock the 769 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,359 Madison Keys: wall down and you know that you can. You have 770 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,239 Madison Keys: people also there that can help support you through that, 771 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,000 Madison Keys: and I think there's just I mean, there's so many 772 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,120 Madison Keys: weeks of the year that you can that we can 773 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,759 Madison Keys: do really, you know, great things. And I feel like 774 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:55,200 Madison Keys: it's I feel like I'm finally like probably the most 775 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,880 Madison Keys: me and the most connected to myself that I've ever been. Yeah, 776 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,720 Madison Keys: and I feel like that's how me just so much 777 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,200 Madison Keys: on the court. 778 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,840 Rennae Stubbs: So I didn't ask you. I asked you about the 779 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,120 Rennae Stubbs: first moment where you had by yourself where you like 780 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,200 Rennae Stubbs: sunk in. But was there a moment when you were 781 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,640 Rennae Stubbs: like with beyond I don't know, lying in bed or 782 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,480 Rennae Stubbs: waking up in the morning and you just looked at 783 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,279 Rennae Stubbs: each other and went, oh, my fucking god, we did it. 784 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,720 Madison Keys: I think it was that moment actually happened pretty quickly. 785 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,400 Madison Keys: But we got back to the room and it was 786 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:32,080 Madison Keys: like literally like almost three am, both so delirious and tired, 787 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,600 Madison Keys: but just I'm cloud dying and he just looked at 788 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,719 Madison Keys: me and he was like, holy shit, like you just 789 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,400 Madison Keys: you just won the Australian Oup. It like that that 790 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:50,520 Madison Keys: actually happened. I know, it's crazy, but it's been really 791 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:56,520 Madison Keys: cool too. I mean, I think it's it's fairly rare 792 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,040 Madison Keys: in the sport to be able to have your significant 793 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,840 Madison Keys: other when you win the big moments, but to really 794 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,080 Madison Keys: like do it together. Yeah, it's been. I mean it's 795 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,880 Madison Keys: it's honestly one of the coolest things. 796 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,719 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, I mean, we know we've talked about the service change, which, 797 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,319 Rennae Stubbs: by the way, I thought you should have done years 798 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,000 Rennae Stubbs: ago as well, just so I was like, why doesn't 799 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,840 Rennae Stubbs: she step up on a serve? I don't get it. 800 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,719 Rennae Stubbs: You're serving the ball so much harder now. You hit 801 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,600 Rennae Stubbs: zero double faults in the final zero, which is unbelievable 802 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,719 Rennae Stubbs: considering I know that you were struggling a little bit 803 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,759 Rennae Stubbs: with getting the timing on the second serve because it 804 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,960 Rennae Stubbs: felt a little bit different. But that also shows to 805 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,040 Rennae Stubbs: people at home, like it doesn't matter how old you are, 806 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,480 Rennae Stubbs: you know, and relatively you're still so young, but at 807 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,920 Rennae Stubbs: thirty you kind of like, well, I've been playing professional 808 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,560 Rennae Stubbs: tennis now for fifteen years, Like really, I'm going to 809 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,040 Rennae Stubbs: change my service motion and I changed my racket, I'm 810 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,040 Rennae Stubbs: going to change all my strings, like this is crazy. 811 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,560 Rennae Stubbs: But also it shows you and Petko said, that also 812 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,640 Rennae Stubbs: shows how gutsy you were to do that, because there's 813 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,759 Rennae Stubbs: been some people that have changed rackets and changed this 814 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,320 Rennae Stubbs: and changed that, and they've gone downhill real fast. 815 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,839 Rennae Stubbs: You know. I think about Radwanska when she changed the racket. 816 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,880 Rennae Stubbs: She couldn't win a match after that. So it's like 817 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,160 Rennae Stubbs: that was gutsy of you and the belief and the 818 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,319 Rennae Stubbs: trust that you obviously have and beyond and his just 819 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,920 Rennae Stubbs: his tennis nerdy brain. It's just awesome to see. I 820 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,520 Rennae Stubbs: just like him, so I love him so much. Who 821 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,360 Rennae Stubbs: was the coolest person that reached out to you the 822 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,879 Rennae Stubbs: text or the call and you were like. 823 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,920 Madison Keys: Little Wayne DMed me. We had like a back and 824 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,680 Madison Keys: forth which was very funny, but it was funny. I 825 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,720 Madison Keys: was making breakfast one morning and I got a phone 826 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,160 Madison Keys: call and I didn't have the number saved, and I 827 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,040 Madison Keys: was I just answered. I don't know why, but I 828 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,960 Madison Keys: was like hello, and she's like, Madi, it's Kim. I 829 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,239 Madison Keys: was like she's like, yeah, it's Kim. And I was like, 830 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,120 Madison Keys: oh my god, thanks Kim talking about yes And it 831 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,960 Madison Keys: meant the world to me because after I lost in 832 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,960 Madison Keys: after I lost you an open final, I saw her 833 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,240 Madison Keys: right after the match and she gave me the biggest 834 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,000 Madison Keys: hug and the biggest kiss on the cheek and said 835 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,680 Madison Keys: it's okay. I've been there, You're gonna do it like 836 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,840 Madison Keys: it'll be okay, I promise. But I mean it just 837 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,920 Madison Keys: was like so full circle that that was probably my favorite. 838 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,560 Rennae Stubbs: I think that's so interesting because everyone thinks, oh, you 839 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,480 Rennae Stubbs: know this person or that person, but it just shows 840 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,239 Rennae Stubbs: you that you go back to being a little kid, 841 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,240 Rennae Stubbs: right And you know, Kim Clijsters was like your idol 842 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,480 Rennae Stubbs: and you played so you played so similarly to her. 843 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,120 Rennae Stubbs: She just wishes she had yourself. But anyway, all right, 844 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,719 Rennae Stubbs: I'm gonna ask you just a couple more questions. Is 845 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,919 Rennae Stubbs: You've been so great to spend a lot of time, 846 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,040 Rennae Stubbs: but I did put out a question to social media 847 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,640 Rennae Stubbs: and I wanted, you know, my listeners to like throw 848 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,160 Rennae Stubbs: in some questions to you, and one of them was 849 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,880 Rennae Stubbs: how do you balance the work and home life dynamics 850 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,399 Rennae Stubbs: with your husband beyond. 851 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,680 Madison Keys: You know what's funny everyone asked us that, and I 852 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,920 Madison Keys: feel like it's not really something that we struggle with. 853 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,879 Madison Keys: I think partially because since we both played already, we 854 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,439 Madison Keys: were so good at being tennis court life and it's 855 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,080 Madison Keys: I don't even know if we necessarily ever really like 856 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,160 Madison Keys: switch on or switch off. It's just so a part 857 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,279 Madison Keys: of our life that I mean, in the middle of 858 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,840 Madison Keys: dinner and again, like you said, he's like the biggest 859 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,680 Madison Keys: tennis nerd on the planet, and I swear to god, 860 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,920 Madison Keys: Wh'll wake up at like five am sometimes and like 861 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,479 Madison Keys: be thinking of just the most like absurd, random thing 862 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,680 Madison Keys: and then all of a sudden he's like on YouTube. 863 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,160 Madison Keys: It's like five point thirty in the morning and he's 864 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,960 Madison Keys: on YouTube like looking something up because he like wanted 865 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,520 Madison Keys: to see something. But but it'll just happen like at 866 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,440 Madison Keys: breakfast where he's you know, I've been struggling on something 867 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,960 Madison Keys: in practice, and all of a sudden it'll click for 868 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,480 Madison Keys: him and he was like, oh, I know who hit 869 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,239 Madison Keys: this ball amazingly well, and then he's like searching some 870 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,759 Madison Keys: player literally from any era, which is always the thing 871 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,080 Madison Keys: that blows my mind. And he's like, okay, so you 872 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,239 Madison Keys: see how they do that, and like, you guys have 873 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,280 Madison Keys: similar grips, and like, so it's that'll happen at breakfast 874 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,440 Madison Keys: or at dinner or whatever, or in the middle of practice, 875 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,359 Madison Keys: like something will pop into my head where I'm like, 876 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,600 Madison Keys: oh shit, like someone's coming to the house tomorrow at 877 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,239 Madison Keys: this time, Like I totally forgot you need to like 878 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,680 Madison Keys: put that in your phone so that you know when 879 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,640 Madison Keys: someone's at the house. So it's just I mean, we're 880 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,640 Madison Keys: really good at just kind of bouncing in and out, 881 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:38,360 Madison Keys: and he's very good about as much as it keeps 882 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,200 Madison Keys: him awake at night, you know. Yeah, Like there's times 883 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,440 Madison Keys: when if I'm on the couch watching HGTV while scrolling TikTok, 884 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,719 Madison Keys: like it's not the time to try to bring up Hey, 885 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,800 Madison Keys: So in practice tomorrow. 886 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,480 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, yeah, that's good. That would be that would be 887 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,840 Rennae Stubbs: that would be interesting. You guys are such a good relationship, 888 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,920 Rennae Stubbs: were able to be like top to the hand not 889 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,680 Rennae Stubbs: now all right, this was a great question. This is 890 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,520 Rennae Stubbs: the last one from social because I'd said I don't 891 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200 Rennae Stubbs: asked one or two. So a lot of the answers 892 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080 Rennae Stubbs: you've already given have been questions that people have asked. 893 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,279 Rennae Stubbs: But based on her experience, what advice would she give 894 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,440 Rennae Stubbs: to an aspiring champion to let go of the weight 895 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,239 Rennae Stubbs: of expectation and help them reach their full potential. Was 896 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,640 Rennae Stubbs: there a key aspect in your mental work that triggered 897 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,200 Rennae Stubbs: that mindset shift and that was a feely I think 898 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,360 Rennae Stubbs: I got that name right. But that was a great question. 899 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,920 Madison Keys: I thought, that's a very good question. I think, I mean, 900 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,640 Madison Keys: I think it'd be hard to just give you a 901 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,399 Madison Keys: blanket answer that would just everyone would feel the same, 902 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,120 Madison Keys: because obviously everyone's very different. I know for me that 903 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,800 Madison Keys: it took a lot of kind of talking through things, 904 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,319 Madison Keys: and I think as I started talking about more things, 905 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,360 Madison Keys: I started learning things about myself, kind of discovering things 906 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,440 Madison Keys: that I thought about myself that I didn't even know 907 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,560 Madison Keys: that was really there. But one day, one day we 908 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,040 Madison Keys: were talking and I was saying something, and I remember 909 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,120 Madison Keys: saying the statement. It was something along the lines of 910 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,000 Madison Keys: I've I don't think that I have played to my 911 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,279 Madison Keys: potential because I was supposed to be great and I 912 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:30,520 Madison Keys: haven't reached that yet. And saying that out loud for 913 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,359 Madison Keys: the first time, I like, I really didn't think that 914 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:41,880 Madison Keys: was something that I felt about myself, and I had 915 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,560 Madison Keys: to really deal with feeling like I had failed and 916 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,799 Madison Keys: getting over the hurdle of if I never went a 917 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,320 Madison Keys: grand slam, I'm not a failure. That's not the blanket. 918 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,719 Madison Keys: That's not like the line of you've had a successful 919 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,680 Madison Keys: career or you have it, and I think it's really 920 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,720 Madison Keys: hard kind of place to live as a tennis player 921 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,240 Madison Keys: because that kind of is what a lot of people 922 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,440 Madison Keys: make as success. And you look around and you say, like, 923 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,880 Madison Keys: Svitolina has had a phenomenal career, phenomenal like in no 924 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,640 Madison Keys: world where anyone would say that she was a failure. 925 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,240 Madison Keys: Yes, ever yeah. And she never won a Grand Slam. 926 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,920 Madison Keys: But like, and I think that was it was a 927 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,239 Madison Keys: hard thing for me because I would look at other 928 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,920 Madison Keys: people and I'd be like, no, they're they've had phenomenal careers, 929 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,560 Madison Keys: like they're not a failure, and all I had to 930 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,680 Madison Keys: turn that back on myself and say, well, wait, no, 931 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,359 Madison Keys: like I've I've done some pretty good things, Like I've 932 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,879 Madison Keys: had a pretty successful career, Like I would definitely if 933 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,840 Madison Keys: you told me, at you know, ten years old, the 934 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,919 Madison Keys: achievements that I have, I would take like, I would 935 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,800 Madison Keys: say that was a really good career. So that was 936 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,680 Madison Keys: kind of my That was kind of my struggle to 937 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,960 Madison Keys: work through. And it really just all came back to 938 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:19,720 Madison Keys: not having won a Slam. It felt like I needed 939 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,040 Madison Keys: it in order to have any sort of validation for 940 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,120 Madison Keys: my career, and I needed to figure out how to 941 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,759 Madison Keys: find my own validation, not in the trophies that I 942 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,640 Madison Keys: had or I didn't have. Yeah. 943 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,920 Rennae Stubbs: Yeah, And you don't have to worry about ever saying 944 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,040 Rennae Stubbs: that to yourself, even though you realize even if you 945 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,560 Rennae Stubbs: hadn't wont it, your life would not and your career 946 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,279 Rennae Stubbs: would not have been a failure because you've, as you said, 947 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,520 Rennae Stubbs: you've achieved some incredible things. Is there a part of you 948 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,439 Rennae Stubbs: that thinks this I'm I'm going to keep striving for more. 949 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,840 Rennae Stubbs: Like you know, I know that you can improve your 950 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,640 Rennae Stubbs: full hand drop shot. That's a joke, but let's face it, 951 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,920 Rennae Stubbs: if you have that on clay Madi, you're gonna kill it. 952 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,840 Rennae Stubbs: You're gonna kill it. Everyone's gonna be running back and 953 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,440 Rennae Stubbs: you can just get that little dropper might be good 954 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,640 Rennae Stubbs: at Indian Wells and just say it the volley's listen. 955 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,560 Rennae Stubbs: I know Beyond appreciates like helping you with things. I 956 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,720 Rennae Stubbs: can help you with that little inside out back in volley, 957 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,920 Rennae Stubbs: that's my go to. Can I can help you with 958 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,279 Rennae Stubbs: that one? 959 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,000 Madison Keys: I mean, yeah, I definitely think that. I'm I feel 960 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,840 Madison Keys: like at this point, the kind of the sky is 961 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,839 Madison Keys: the limit. I know that. It's funny because you know, 962 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,040 Madison Keys: when you're thirty in sports, it's like, oh, it's a miracle. 963 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,280 Madison Keys: She's not up there. 964 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,920 Rennae Stubbs: You're peaking. You're just at the start of the peak. 965 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:56,160 Madison Keys: But it's like, I feel like, as long as as 966 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,160 Madison Keys: long as my body can hold up and as long 967 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,400 Madison Keys: as I can stay healthy, I feel like there's just 968 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,120 Madison Keys: still so much room to improve. And I feel I mean, 969 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,920 Madison Keys: I feel like the best physically that I have felt 970 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,120 Madison Keys: in many, many years. So I feel like there's just 971 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,799 Madison Keys: still so much opportunity. 972 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,400 Rennae Stubbs: Well, I just got excited thinking about it, because you 973 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,279 Rennae Stubbs: know how much I love you, you know how much 974 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,600 Rennae Stubbs: I believe in you. So I'm just saying, clay, that's 975 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,759 Rennae Stubbs: your jam too. Grass. We know you can play well 976 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,480 Rennae Stubbs: on grass. And now that you're serving with the feed up, 977 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,799 Rennae Stubbs: you know, and you get a little bit more pop 978 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,759 Rennae Stubbs: on that serve, even more free points. And the US Open, 979 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,240 Rennae Stubbs: we know how well you played there, so no pressure. 980 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,200 Rennae Stubbs: I just think, you know, why not go for a 981 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,520 Rennae Stubbs: career Grand Slam in one year? 982 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:43,200 Madison Keys: Let's go. 983 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,759 Rennae Stubbs: Talk to the little Madi down there. I'm sure, I'm 984 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,840 Rennae Stubbs: sure a little Madi I'll agree, right, now. But anyway, Madi, 985 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,200 Rennae Stubbs: I love you so much. I'm so freaking freaking proud 986 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,880 Rennae Stubbs: of you. I got to see you coming out of 987 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,920 Rennae Stubbs: your press I was leaving to go get transportation and 988 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,880 Rennae Stubbs: you walk down from all your media, which was like 989 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,319 Rennae Stubbs: two thirty in the morning, and I was leaving and 990 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,040 Rennae Stubbs: I just looked at you and I'm just so incredibly 991 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,440 Rennae Stubbs: I know how much you've gone through. We've seen each 992 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,440 Rennae Stubbs: other in a lot of hallways and locker rooms, a 993 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,359 Rennae Stubbs: lot of tears, and it was just great to see 994 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,120 Rennae Stubbs: you crying, knowing that you finally did something that we 995 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,320 Rennae Stubbs: all know you were capable of, and you did it 996 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:23,040 Rennae Stubbs: so well. 997 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:23,880 Madison Keys: Thank you. 998 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,279 Rennae Stubbs: I'll see you in Indian Wells. I'll come and watch 999 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,000 Rennae Stubbs: your first match, and I can't wait for it. Madi Keys, 1000 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,879 Rennae Stubbs: thank you so much for it, for joining me today. 1001 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,400 Madison Keys: Thank you