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Speaker 1: another edition to All the Smoke. Man, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: First time all start, Long Overdue, but first time All Star.
Speaker 1: Zach Lavin Man, Welcome to the show. Broke my dogs?
Speaker 1: My dogs? What up with y'all? Man? I appreciate it. Man,
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to come on here. We appreciate you. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're notorious for how hard you work. So
Speaker 1: first of all, Man, we want to congratulate you on
Speaker 1: being the first time All Star Long Overdue. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to dunk contest championships under your belt, but
Speaker 1: to actually be able to go to the game and play.
Speaker 1: How gratifying is that? It feels good? Man, Um the breakthrough.
Speaker 1: Have your peers and your family congratulates you. It's it's
Speaker 1: an honor. You know, always credit everything the hard work,
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been playing at this level, but
Speaker 1: to you know, to finally break through in the playoff
Speaker 1: picture and you know, to see the growth I've had
Speaker 1: over these last couple of years have been big man.
Speaker 1: So it's it's gratifying. Obviously we felt it. You felt it. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you've been playing at this level for you know,
Speaker 1: at least you know, two or three years. Now. What
Speaker 1: do you think changed this season and got you over
Speaker 1: the hump? Yeah? I think the main thing was my mentality, um,
Speaker 1: you know, going out there and try and do whatever
Speaker 1: it took to, you know, just to get the wins.
Speaker 1: You know, if that was you know, assist one night,
Speaker 1: going out there, try and bust my ass on defense, um,
Speaker 1: or if I got to take over and try to
Speaker 1: get thirty forty, you know, whatever it is, just you know,
Speaker 1: try to get try and get that team and a
Speaker 1: win calling in you know, I feel like did a
Speaker 1: good job of, you know, locking in each game for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've kind of developed obviously into a star player,
Speaker 1: but also a vocal leader. Have you always been a
Speaker 1: vocal leader? A guy the lead by example? How how
Speaker 1: is your leadership role kind of UM evolved over the years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't come into at least for me. I never,
Speaker 1: you know, was in that type of role before. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously in high school, I think all of
Speaker 1: us as the man. But you go through college and
Speaker 1: you at the bottom of the total pole and then
Speaker 1: the NBA obviously go through your rookie duties and things
Speaker 1: like that. So coming to Chicago, have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be the you know, the main guy and then the leader. UM,
Speaker 1: you have to work on it. I was always a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, led by example with my work
Speaker 1: ethic and putting in the work after practice in an
Speaker 1: off season. But you know, vocally it's been it's been
Speaker 1: a you know, a process and I appreciate my vets,
Speaker 1: you know, having that on the team, Garrett Temple, guys
Speaker 1: like that, that's helped me. UM, you know, find your voice.
Speaker 1: That has to be authentic. You know, you can't be
Speaker 1: wishy washy with it. And that's the main thing I
Speaker 1: figured out. If you know, guys respect you when you're authentic,
Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta keep that maintained, that that
Speaker 1: that folks in the locker room and and keep guys
Speaker 1: involved and make sure everybody feels, you know, like they're
Speaker 1: part of the team. And um, you know, for me personally,
Speaker 1: just if I gotta go out there, put the team
Speaker 1: on my back, you know, make sure I'm locked in,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it takes to get us there. But
Speaker 1: it's been tough. There's injuries throughout the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: We've been dealing with injury the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: So it's not a lot new with us. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think we're doing it well right now.
Speaker 1: Kevin Billy come over, it's helped a lot of bring
Speaker 1: a new vibe to the to the team. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: Vet coaches that's coached you know, not just superstar players,
Speaker 1: but you know for the future first ballot Hall of famers. So, um,
Speaker 1: he's definitely brought some some insight to the team. How
Speaker 1: are the younger players progressing? Patrick Williams, Kobe White? You
Speaker 1: and Kobe just came the first teammates recently each hit
Speaker 1: eight three pointers in one game. How's the progression of them? Um?
Speaker 1: Been coming in your eyes? That was my dog man. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you go through ups and downs your first couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I was experiencing the same thing. But I'm dous
Speaker 1: as workers man. You know, passing don't be a monster
Speaker 1: in the league. Gives you those little Kawaiti vibes because
Speaker 1: you got the big hands and he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of emotion on the court. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Kobe is the same way man. He works, He works
Speaker 1: his ass off, you know, and even if he has
Speaker 1: a bad game, he comes in the next day, locked in,
Speaker 1: ready to go. And you know he does a confident man.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't back down. Born and raised in
Speaker 1: written Washington athletic family. Dad played a little bit of
Speaker 1: baseball and in the usfl uh. Mom played softball. Tell
Speaker 1: us about your upbringing, man, Uh, you know started my
Speaker 1: pops man, you know, come out the hood of Sandburn,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, moved his family out to beat
Speaker 1: with him once he made it out. I meant my
Speaker 1: mom when he was playing with the when he just
Speaker 1: got done playing with the Seahawks, and they had my
Speaker 1: life skin dad. So you know, it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was. It was. It was
Speaker 1: challenging coming you know, growing up, my dad was on
Speaker 1: me a lot. You know, I ended up moving there
Speaker 1: with my grandma for a little bit. Um and that's
Speaker 1: when you know, a lot of stuff started, you know,
Speaker 1: with my dad and me having all this ship outside
Speaker 1: working out. Um, you know, he almost tried to treat
Speaker 1: me as a pro as a as a young kid. Man.
Speaker 1: I pregame shooting, had a right down, you know, all
Speaker 1: my shots, come back home from school, get some more
Speaker 1: shots up before games, after games, so you know, even
Speaker 1: in the car, like driving the car doing interviews, asked me,
Speaker 1: hey man, how do you feel after the game and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So he was almost trying prepared me
Speaker 1: for you know what I was trying to go after.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know my mom had held it down.
Speaker 1: You know, work two jobs for seven straight years. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, missed out on some trips, you know, just
Speaker 1: to have me go to AU games and things like that.
Speaker 1: So it's, uh, you know, it's been a long time coming, man,
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's all worth it.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, because I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: dad and a coach and my kids. At any point,
Speaker 1: was it ever overwhelming for you at a young age
Speaker 1: with all the you know, your dad trying to treat
Speaker 1: you like a pro when you were still a kid.
Speaker 1: You know, it's at some point it finally clicked for
Speaker 1: me because he was pushing me hard man, and you know,
Speaker 1: as parents, you almost wanted more than your kids, um,
Speaker 1: and that's what I felt. For some reason, I felt
Speaker 1: it and I was like, it won't work. And you know,
Speaker 1: for me, I can't have my dad wanted more than me.
Speaker 1: So and that's when we became really tight, because then
Speaker 1: I will start going out there on my own and
Speaker 1: asking him to come out there and rebound. I already
Speaker 1: had my shots up by time he came home, you know,
Speaker 1: from work. So it was it was something that I understood,
Speaker 1: like I can't have him want this more than me.
Speaker 1: And then that's what it took off. What I think,
Speaker 1: it's dope. Like I said, it started as a kid,
Speaker 1: but you're still known for you mean, we check you
Speaker 1: out on Instagram. What you got a whole motherfucking look
Speaker 1: like training facility in your backyard? Is that your backyard
Speaker 1: where you guys train out in the sand and shooting
Speaker 1: and all the drills you're running. Yeah, no, that's so.
Speaker 1: You know, I think right when I sign my contract
Speaker 1: with Chicago, I got my parents at their house and
Speaker 1: that's what that is. And that was that was his idea.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like an athlete's little paradise. We
Speaker 1: called the compound. Uh, it got the sand, you got
Speaker 1: the turf field, you got the you know, got the
Speaker 1: weight room, got it got the little you know, the
Speaker 1: the jail house weight room. You know, you my dad.
Speaker 1: You know, every once in a while be getting getting
Speaker 1: shi off, a crazylist and stuff like that. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's a you know, it's a paradise up there, man.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's it works, man, it works if
Speaker 1: you guys come out there. Man, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: get put. You don't get put through some ship. We
Speaker 1: heard early on in school. Obviously your dad has been
Speaker 1: a great support system for you. That your teacher wants
Speaker 1: to ask you what you want to be, and you
Speaker 1: said at nbas Sor and your teacher told you it
Speaker 1: wasn't realistic, and your dad came up there to back
Speaker 1: you up. Tell us about that stuff. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: in class raise your hand. What do you want to be?
Speaker 1: Johnny Susan And then you know, Zach, what do you
Speaker 1: want to be? I'm gonna be the NBA player And
Speaker 1: she was like, you should probably pick something more realistic.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in like third grade, and you know,
Speaker 1: I go home and tell my dad and you know,
Speaker 1: he go back up to the schools. You know, don't
Speaker 1: ever tell my son something you can't do. You know,
Speaker 1: his as one. Uh, you know, when I got drafted,
Speaker 1: he wanted me to go back. He wanted me to
Speaker 1: go back to my elementary school and talk to her.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not that bag. What did you
Speaker 1: go root for? I was the biggest Kobe fan, so
Speaker 1: you know that was that was my guy, like my
Speaker 1: dad was my my idol and who I lucked up too.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant
Speaker 1: were the guys that I wanted to try to be like.
Speaker 1: And code was it was was my biggest inspiration, you know,
Speaker 1: wearing number and things like that. That's uh, that's one
Speaker 1: of the main reasons I were attended Ethel High School.
Speaker 1: UM as a point guard. By your junior year, you
Speaker 1: shoot up the six three primary ball handler. What do
Speaker 1: you remember most about your high school experience? You gotta
Speaker 1: got you guys got a lot of talent out there. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: so one of my best friends actually, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I called my brother he moved in with me at
Speaker 1: a rough rough childhood, ended up living with us for
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and it made us a lot better.
Speaker 1: Turned us into it like a top five, top team
Speaker 1: in the country. Another do our team named Josh Martin.
Speaker 1: We all went D one. But um, you know, we
Speaker 1: weren't really known for basketball, and you know, it was
Speaker 1: a it was a football school. But you know, we
Speaker 1: turned that thing out. Man. We ended up you know,
Speaker 1: compete never we lost in the h lost in the
Speaker 1: championship game a couple of times we never should have lost.
Speaker 1: But you know, great times. My high school coach allowed
Speaker 1: me to you know, roll the ball out and and
Speaker 1: and show some of my skill set. Um, and it
Speaker 1: helped me put you know, put myself on the map,
Speaker 1: played me at point guard. That's why I got my
Speaker 1: point guard experience. And then obviously when I shot up
Speaker 1: to six five, UM, it gave me a little bit
Speaker 1: more of my game to grow into. Who was recruiting
Speaker 1: you early on? I wasn't. I wasn't like a McDonald's
Speaker 1: All American or anything like that. UM. I was putting
Speaker 1: up twenty five thirty points a game. UM, going to
Speaker 1: the league camps. But I never I never made the McDonald's.
Speaker 1: So I had I had pretty much a lot of
Speaker 1: teams on the West coast. You know, obviously you dub
Speaker 1: U c l A Arizona, UM, I got Louisville, Texas
Speaker 1: and Baylor. But besides that, I had a lot of
Speaker 1: mid majors UM San Diego, Gonzaga, Oregon State, you know,
Speaker 1: things like that. So but when U c l A came,
Speaker 1: you know, came knocking out. I committed under Ben Allen
Speaker 1: Um and that's where and that's where I wanted to go.
Speaker 1: I committed as a junior. I think appreciate I think
Speaker 1: I committed as a junior. What was that one year
Speaker 1: under Helln Like I didn't go into Helen Oh he
Speaker 1: was gone. I was with Steve Alford, he was gone. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that when I went to U l A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that experience? Like under Offerd it was tough.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't see that a lot um. You know.
Speaker 1: I the main thing I took from it, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was coming off the bench. But the main
Speaker 1: thing I took from it, and it helped me get
Speaker 1: you know, helped me get used to coaching and playing
Speaker 1: through adversity. Um, so, you know, I always trying to
Speaker 1: turn a you know, a negative to a positive. Obviously
Speaker 1: I still was able to get drafted. I was a
Speaker 1: lot to repicked, but um, you know it helped me
Speaker 1: deal with you know, how coaching is and how if
Speaker 1: you don't see why, you still have to go out
Speaker 1: there and perform. So you know, it definitely definitely helped
Speaker 1: me for the future. You end up entering the draft
Speaker 1: after one season. You knew it was tied with that decision.
Speaker 1: You talked with your family about coaching helped you make
Speaker 1: the decision. What took you know what what what was
Speaker 1: the decided factor? And you feel like you were ready
Speaker 1: for the league at the one year. I didn't go
Speaker 1: into college thinking I was gonna be a one and
Speaker 1: done guy. You know, obviously I think I had the
Speaker 1: potential to get there. But you know at u c
Speaker 1: L A man, you know this, You do all the
Speaker 1: open runs, you get to play against the pros, you
Speaker 1: get to play against guys that you know, and I
Speaker 1: was stacking up pretty well. You know, I'm going against
Speaker 1: these guys and I'm like, hey, I'm not that you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you're not at that level, but I'm there you know,
Speaker 1: athletically I was. I was right there. Um, So that
Speaker 1: that put that in my mind. And obviously I had
Speaker 1: had a decent campaign at my freshman year. I got
Speaker 1: put on the big board. So the confidence wise, I
Speaker 1: was already there. I'm not you know, I'm not afraid
Speaker 1: of competition, so I was ready to take that jump.
Speaker 1: I felt like, pick over all other notable names, Andrew
Speaker 1: Wiggins and beide Aaron Gordon, Julius Randall. Did you have
Speaker 1: any idea where you were gonna go? Were was Minnesota
Speaker 1: supposed to pick you or someone else supposed to go?
Speaker 1: Were you surprised you win at thirteen? Man? So it
Speaker 1: was crazy the pre draft stuff. So I had like
Speaker 1: twenty five workouts, man, my, my, my, uh. My ranking
Speaker 1: was from like seven because I did three workouts with
Speaker 1: the Lakers. I thought the Lakers are gonna take me,
Speaker 1: and I was really excited about that. Um. And I
Speaker 1: my rank was from seven to the second round. So
Speaker 1: I had a ship ton of workouts, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know Minnesota's gonna take me until uh until my un
Speaker 1: tell right before you know, I worked out for pretty
Speaker 1: much every team in the top you know, the top
Speaker 1: five team, so I really didn't know. I had a
Speaker 1: hell of a workout inn so though, So any memorable
Speaker 1: stories from that night from draft night other than everybody
Speaker 1: thought I was saying fun me when I got drafted.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, that was a meeting for a
Speaker 1: little bit. I was a little you know when when
Speaker 1: my name came across the board, I was stilling. That
Speaker 1: wasn't even the you know, I was just like, fuck man,
Speaker 1: you know, I was stilling. I told my dad, you know,
Speaker 1: please don't cry, because I'm a cry But you know,
Speaker 1: it was a little misunderstanding, But I think everything worked out.
Speaker 1: The thoughts on, you know, I mentioned em Bead and
Speaker 1: Julius Randall to name a few, yourself, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like you three right there and beat on this
Speaker 1: kind of an MVP run, you and Randall being first
Speaker 1: time All Stars. I thought some guys you came into
Speaker 1: the league with kind of starting to come into their
Speaker 1: own at the same time. Yeah, because we've been playing
Speaker 1: with each other since high school, man, and it's it's
Speaker 1: great to see, especially because you grow up with these guys,
Speaker 1: you respect them, you know them. Um, it's good to see,
Speaker 1: you know, guys put the work in and keep developing
Speaker 1: their game each and every year. Um, you know, it's dope.
Speaker 1: We go out there, compete against each other and dap
Speaker 1: it up at the end of the game. So it's
Speaker 1: just it's a it's a it's a friend of your life.
Speaker 1: Let's us up. So arriving in Minnesota as an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old, I didn't realize you was that young. You
Speaker 1: know you like you just told you're going to your
Speaker 1: seventh year only twenty five. That's crazy. Um. But arriving
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, Uh, was it what you expected? I know?
Speaker 1: KG was there briefly, great vet, someone we've had on
Speaker 1: the show and definitely a fan of the program. What
Speaker 1: was it like arriving there and then also having KG
Speaker 1: in that locker room? Yeah, it's eye opener. And I
Speaker 1: told I told a lot of people that are like,
Speaker 1: what's the hardest thing about the NBA? For me, it
Speaker 1: wasn't the you know, the competition athletically, man, it was
Speaker 1: the downtime that you have, UM and the travel and
Speaker 1: that that's what really got to me. And people don't
Speaker 1: understand that. You know, you have to be able to
Speaker 1: take care of your mind and be ready to play.
Speaker 1: So um, but KG was great man Um, Daddy's young
Speaker 1: my boys on the team. Now he was on the team.
Speaker 1: And then they got traded and KG came to the team,
Speaker 1: and KG is probably the best teammate you could probably
Speaker 1: ever ask for. UM, especially for a guy like me
Speaker 1: and a young young guys you know, me Andrew Cat,
Speaker 1: we were all on the team together, and just to
Speaker 1: see him lead by example at forty years old still
Speaker 1: was incredible. Ricky Rubio was sidelined with the ankle injury
Speaker 1: and you become the starting point guard over More Williams.
Speaker 1: Was that your welcome? Was that your welcome to the
Speaker 1: NBA moment or do you have another one? I would
Speaker 1: say that was that was just you know, that was
Speaker 1: my coming out. You know. I remember talking to more
Speaker 1: Williams and Mom was like, look, you know you you
Speaker 1: you the next upcoming guy. I'm I understand my role
Speaker 1: in my position right now. You know I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: off the bench. You know, we're don't help you get
Speaker 1: through this. And you know, it was ups and downs,
Speaker 1: especially playing the position that you ain't places high school
Speaker 1: and you're going, you know, against these top nots point
Speaker 1: guards in the NBA. UM I felt like my coming
Speaker 1: out party. Though, um we we played in Golden State. UM.
Speaker 1: Obviously that team I think that was the seventy and
Speaker 1: seventy three and nine team that year. UM, and I
Speaker 1: ended up with like thirty eight or thirty nine in
Speaker 1: that game. And that's when I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is you know, this is who I can be. You
Speaker 1: guys had a nice young tree know of yourself, Wiggins
Speaker 1: and Cat, but I always kind of thought that you
Speaker 1: playing with them, you weren't really able to show who
Speaker 1: you really were because I think they were you know,
Speaker 1: Cat was the top pick, Wiggins was the top pick.
Speaker 1: They were highly talented. But to me, you were like
Speaker 1: the purest score out of those three. And I figured
Speaker 1: at some point you would probably have to make a move.
Speaker 1: But what was it like while you were there building
Speaker 1: chemistry with those young stars along with yourself? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it was. Man. You know, you you
Speaker 1: have to you know the NBA, Man, you gotta play
Speaker 1: a role that you've given sometimes and you know it's
Speaker 1: it's frustrating at times, but at the same time, you
Speaker 1: know you like it because those your friends and your
Speaker 1: boys and you you're still out there on the same
Speaker 1: team together. But you know, I just worked and way
Speaker 1: it kept my head down and just waited from my opportunity. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, playing with those guys, you build a bond
Speaker 1: and the friendship that you know, it's ever lasting. You know,
Speaker 1: the fraternity and the NBA, so you know it was great.
Speaker 1: But when I got traded to Chicago, I knew it
Speaker 1: was an opportunity I couldn't let pass up. I want
Speaker 1: to take I want to take you back a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I say these words, telling what you think. He
Speaker 1: ain't even stressed, though I remember that was I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that Dienelo Russell wearing that uh I think James camping.
Speaker 1: But Blake Griffin was throwing the ball off the wall
Speaker 1: on between the legs. Man, it was crazy. And it's
Speaker 1: crazy how you see all those players and a lot
Speaker 1: of those guys are in the NBA now, so it's
Speaker 1: it was Yeah, I remember that moment, But what was
Speaker 1: that experience? Like? What was crazy about that video? Obviously
Speaker 1: it went viral, but you guys were the young crew.
Speaker 1: I think you guys were in high school, but a
Speaker 1: handful of you guys made the league too, So what
Speaker 1: was it like being there as a youngster in all
Speaker 1: one second and then a handful of years later ship
Speaker 1: for you, maybe three years later, four years later, you're
Speaker 1: competing against these guys. It was crazy, especially going there
Speaker 1: and seeing you're in high school. Man, so these guys
Speaker 1: to you, you know, NBA players were just still your
Speaker 1: idols and being able to go out there. I think
Speaker 1: Kyrie was a rookie. I saw Kobe, I saw Lebron,
Speaker 1: you know, and just seeing these dudes that you used
Speaker 1: to see it on the TV, Blake Griffin, you just like, god, damn, man,
Speaker 1: like this is a lot differ and then what you expect.
Speaker 1: You hear the ship talking, you see the physicality, and
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it was an eye opener for
Speaker 1: us because we you know, in high school, you think
Speaker 1: you at the top of the top. Still you at
Speaker 1: the top on the camps. You really ain't even scratched
Speaker 1: the surface of what the what basketball is yet, right,
Speaker 1: We're welcome to it. Well, I want to get into
Speaker 1: to your All Star dunk contesting your accolades there. But
Speaker 1: before I do that, where did where did this bounce
Speaker 1: come from? And when did you know you could fly?
Speaker 1: Because you can really fly? In case you didn't known, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes, dog, I'm starting to get you know,
Speaker 1: a little more tired now. But here we go. It's
Speaker 1: I'm just talking. Sh I'm just talking. I'm just talking
Speaker 1: to you know. Um in high school and high school
Speaker 1: it started, man. You know, me and my dad did
Speaker 1: a lot of applying metrics. You know, we were on
Speaker 1: the Verdo Max I was doing. I was doing lunches
Speaker 1: on the football field from a hundred yard line backwards
Speaker 1: eight e backwards. I ran track a little bit rand sprints,
Speaker 1: so you know, I worked on, you know, building those
Speaker 1: muscles up. Um. And after I after I grew into
Speaker 1: my body a little bit more at like six six
Speaker 1: three six four six five, And that's when it started
Speaker 1: coming in. Right before my right before my senior year
Speaker 1: in high school. Um, you know, I was pulling off
Speaker 1: the same dunks. I was doing it the dunk contest
Speaker 1: growing up, you know, being a dunk of yourself. You know,
Speaker 1: I heard Vince was one of your guys. What tempted
Speaker 1: you or or or or prompted you to join the
Speaker 1: contest and you know, going into you can win or what? What?
Speaker 1: What was the motive any factor behind you wanted to
Speaker 1: be involved in the dunk contest? Yeah. So I grew
Speaker 1: up always you know, watched then't you know we could
Speaker 1: watch the tapes and you go outside and try you know,
Speaker 1: I watched the Michael Jordans, Kobe's and Vince's and go
Speaker 1: outside and try to do it dunks. But I want
Speaker 1: a dunk contest in high school, I think it was
Speaker 1: the Ball's Life All American Dunk Contest. Um. Now you know,
Speaker 1: going growing up, I'm like, okay, I got you. I
Speaker 1: got into NBA. I was like, I know I can
Speaker 1: win this. So I had even that Aaron Gordon dunk
Speaker 1: contest that we had, I had like I ain't dunks
Speaker 1: that I had, and I was like, there's nobody don't
Speaker 1: beat me if I make my dunks. There's nobody that's
Speaker 1: gonna beat me if I do these dunks. So, um,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go put a show on at least,
Speaker 1: you know, have that experience, especially at I think I
Speaker 1: was the second youngest besides Kobe to win the dunk contest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, that was dope. And then you became the
Speaker 1: fourth player to win back to back dunk contests. Um
Speaker 1: when you were able to take down Aaron in Toronto,
Speaker 1: talk to us about that particular dunk contest, because that
Speaker 1: one took everyone back to you know, comparances of Dominique
Speaker 1: and Jordan back before you was even born. But it
Speaker 1: was one of the best dunk contests we've seen. No,
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy and you could just tell
Speaker 1: it built up. That's something that I was gonna go
Speaker 1: down in history. Um, just the stuff that we were doing.
Speaker 1: Because I'm be honest with you, I didn't think anybody
Speaker 1: was gonna come close to me in the first dunk contest.
Speaker 1: I feel like I wiped the floor. You know, I
Speaker 1: thought it was a suite second one, you know, a
Speaker 1: g came out with the same amount of energy and
Speaker 1: confidence I had, So it was, you know, it was
Speaker 1: gonna go down to the last blow. And that's when
Speaker 1: I I was like, look, I'm either gonna make this
Speaker 1: dunk or miss it. When I tried to go from
Speaker 1: the free throw line, um, you don't think, God, I
Speaker 1: made it, but you make that should look effortless like
Speaker 1: your free through ducks. Look, motherfucking effortless. Is incredible. That
Speaker 1: last one I did was the first time I tried it.
Speaker 1: But to go through the legs though, to go through
Speaker 1: the legs from the free throw line. That was the
Speaker 1: first time I tried it. Wasn't tried it. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: first time I tried never never to that was dope.
Speaker 1: Have you have you ever talked to Aaron Gordon about that? Like,
Speaker 1: have you ever sat down? But like, man, what made
Speaker 1: you think about doing that? Wait? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Have you have had a conversation about that moment? Yeah,
Speaker 1: We're in the same agency, so we definitely talked about it.
Speaker 1: You know, We're going back and forth, like I think
Speaker 1: I got you on this one or that one. But
Speaker 1: at the end of day, I grabbed I grabbed the mic.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think people remember this. I say, Man,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think we should share
Speaker 1: this trophy. You know, we put on a show together.
Speaker 1: So instead of you know, one or one or winning,
Speaker 1: I think that was just something for the for the
Speaker 1: culture of the NBA. That was something that was special.
Speaker 1: So there's rumors now that you're hanging up your dunk
Speaker 1: contest eligibility. Is there any truth to that at the
Speaker 1: right old age or is that the last time we've
Speaker 1: seen lac Leen Man. I don't, I don't know, Man,
Speaker 1: It's yes, yes, he said. He said, he don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even in the same row. Everybody it was
Speaker 1: crazy Jack. Everybody still wants me to do it. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else I can. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else I could do. It comes
Speaker 1: a time to where you know, I'm I'm eventually doing
Speaker 1: hang it up. Obviously, I know I still got something left,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think I've passed that part in
Speaker 1: my game. Now I want to go out there and
Speaker 1: show you know, I want you know, I want to
Speaker 1: be NBA Champion. I want, you know, more, more, more
Speaker 1: refined things. You know, exactly it's time some three point contest.
Speaker 1: I can get that one. What are your thoughts, uh
Speaker 1: this year on the format? Obviously, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of guys, you know, some of the bigger stars come
Speaker 1: out and said, you know, they didn't really want to
Speaker 1: do it. They thought it should have been a time off. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, the NBA said, hey, we're gonna knock this out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it all in one day. With this
Speaker 1: being your actual first time competing in the game, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on kind of how everything has come together? Um,
Speaker 1: considering the circumstances in the pandemic. It's a totally different year,
Speaker 1: matt Um. You know, just from the standpoint that nobody's
Speaker 1: played like this before, and even next year it might change.
Speaker 1: So we might be the anominal year of you know,
Speaker 1: having no fans and in some places having fans and
Speaker 1: having games canceled and things like that. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's in the air. You know, I'm I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: I'm always for competing. We're playing games anyway, so um,
Speaker 1: as long as it's safe, you know, especially because I
Speaker 1: made the game and my family is able to come
Speaker 1: and see it, you know, I'm always for that. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm always like, as long as it's safe
Speaker 1: and the NBA knows what they're doing, So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it, with with with our start not
Speaker 1: being a normal way, you know, not having family and
Speaker 1: friends and fans and stuff like that. What that's some
Speaker 1: of your memorable moments of All Stars in the past,
Speaker 1: man Um, Just any All Star game in general, just
Speaker 1: something that, yeah, whatever, you remember the most, some of them,
Speaker 1: some moments you hold you hold close here that you
Speaker 1: remember you first think the All Star Man I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, vividly sitting in front of the
Speaker 1: TV and and Mike's Mike's last All Star game. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, him and Kobe going back and forth and
Speaker 1: then Mike hitting the uh that baseline jumper and they're
Speaker 1: supposed to win in Jamato neil foul foul cope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know I remember watching that just literally sitting
Speaker 1: in front of the TV, man um. And then also
Speaker 1: you know, just just my own personal ones obviously with
Speaker 1: the dunk contests and stuff and seeing you know, talking
Speaker 1: to the guys on the sideline and seeing their faces,
Speaker 1: you know, after we're pulling some of these dunks off
Speaker 1: and talking to them, and you know, just having that
Speaker 1: that that camaraderie is has been has been big. A
Speaker 1: lot of memories. So you signed a working extension in
Speaker 1: minnesot soda and then tear your a c L before
Speaker 1: you're traded to to the Bulls talking without your first
Speaker 1: major uh injury as a as a basketball player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was you know, that was tough, matt Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I was having a really good year. I
Speaker 1: think at the at the time, I think we had
Speaker 1: all three of us were averaging over twin points per game,
Speaker 1: all right. At twin points per game for guys that
Speaker 1: were twenty one and younger. I think we were some
Speaker 1: of the first to do that. Um it was tough, man.
Speaker 1: UM I had to switch my mentality pretty fast from
Speaker 1: like a y me or pour me to pretty much
Speaker 1: attacking it and saying fuck it, I'm gonna get better
Speaker 1: and back to you know, I'm gonna prove everybody I
Speaker 1: can be better than what I was before. You know,
Speaker 1: because the NBA is relevancy, they'll they'll write you off
Speaker 1: pretty fast. So, UM, you know I wanted to put
Speaker 1: all that to rest, and you know, I put my
Speaker 1: head down and got to work now, so you were
Speaker 1: able to overcome that. And then the trade for pretty
Speaker 1: much you for Jimmy Butler. What was going through your
Speaker 1: head at that at that time, you know, mixed feelings obviously,
Speaker 1: because you know I was hurt and they traded me
Speaker 1: while you hurt, so it's almost like they give up
Speaker 1: on you. But I saw it as an opportunity, like
Speaker 1: I said earlier, UM, you know, to go out there
Speaker 1: and showcase you know what I can and be, you know,
Speaker 1: fulfill who I want to be. You know, I put
Speaker 1: all this hard working out of you know, I work
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a number one guy and a
Speaker 1: superstar level guy. I don't work to be a French
Speaker 1: player or you know, a role player. UM. So you know,
Speaker 1: an opportunity knock, you gotta walked through that damn door.
Speaker 1: And that's that's how I saw it. You said you
Speaker 1: modeled your game after number eight cod and and and
Speaker 1: and he was a big influence on your life. Any
Speaker 1: stuff that that that you could share with us on
Speaker 1: or off the court, UM a moment to you. And Kobe.
Speaker 1: I never knew him personally. I I got a couple
Speaker 1: when I was younger. Um, and then too when I
Speaker 1: actually did get to play against him and meet him.
Speaker 1: You know, I was in sixth grade and there was
Speaker 1: a tournament. I remember we had to go watch the
Speaker 1: USA team play and I'm sitting on the sideline um
Speaker 1: of him warming up, and I remember I'm screaming at
Speaker 1: the top of my love's Kobe. Kobe. He going through
Speaker 1: his routine at like he don't hear nothing. He made
Speaker 1: about twenty five straight elbow pull up doing the same move.
Speaker 1: It was crazy to me because he didn't He's doing
Speaker 1: the exact same move hard as hell straight. I'm just
Speaker 1: screaming his name. Like then you know, he don't respond
Speaker 1: to me or anything, but he was just so locked in.
Speaker 1: And then, Um, you know, obviously I get to play
Speaker 1: against him, you know, my first two years in the league. UM,
Speaker 1: I had a really really good game. Actually to the
Speaker 1: first question, that was actually like my coming out party.
Speaker 1: That was my first big game. I played against the
Speaker 1: Lakers and at Staples Center. I came off the bench,
Speaker 1: I had like twenty five and Kobe was guarding me
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and he tapped me on the
Speaker 1: ass and said, keep going, young fella. UM. And it
Speaker 1: was big for me because I remember Kobe always used
Speaker 1: to guard the best player in the fourth quarter. UM,
Speaker 1: and you know at that point, you know, he kind
Speaker 1: of locked me down. I didn't I didn't shoot the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I shot like one or two
Speaker 1: more times. Um was being real physical with me. But
Speaker 1: you know it was just crazy, you know, like this
Speaker 1: is my idol man and he's guarding me. So it's
Speaker 1: it was it was big. That's dope. UM. During Quarantine,
Speaker 1: the last dance came out, did it hit you different
Speaker 1: watching it because you were or you are a bull
Speaker 1: currently just kind of seeing what they were like when
Speaker 1: you know, when they had to run because unfortunately, like
Speaker 1: there was, there was no social media back then, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was almost our look
Speaker 1: at the you know, the the Dynasty of the Bulls
Speaker 1: through a social media lens. Was it different for you
Speaker 1: being a bull? Yeah? And especially you know, obviously I
Speaker 1: was a huge Michael Jordan fan, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think all of us were. And just seeing you know,
Speaker 1: how how he interacted with his teammates and how he
Speaker 1: moved as a player and the way his mind worked. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, you can watch all the status you want
Speaker 1: to and all the highlights, but seeing you know, dudes
Speaker 1: and practice are having up close interviews is different. So
Speaker 1: it's uh, I thought I thought it was eye opening. Um.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, it's crazy that they were still
Speaker 1: that popular and that famous. You know him, Dennis Robbin,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're in the social media era, man,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it had been they were, they're already
Speaker 1: stars then just imagine now it would be it would
Speaker 1: be ridiculous. Oh yeah, Dennis would have been a madman
Speaker 1: in the in the social media era where you could
Speaker 1: really catch ship he was because he was already on
Speaker 1: his ship. You mean imagine like the coach saying, you
Speaker 1: know how much money he would have been had been crazy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was always with a select he had kept
Speaker 1: the bass celebrity one next to him, so that would
Speaker 1: have been crazy. Ye you uh, you know, being drafted
Speaker 1: by Minnesota and then getting opportunity to come to the Bulls.
Speaker 1: What is the difference, um, in the environment of the organizations.
Speaker 1: It's a big market, man. Obviously they've had some down
Speaker 1: years and you know, the trade pretty much with with
Speaker 1: Jimmy coming out. You know, Jimmy was still is damn
Speaker 1: your top you know, top ten, top twin players. So
Speaker 1: you know, they shot it as a you know, a
Speaker 1: rebuilding time and you know, I just wanted to do
Speaker 1: my part to try and get the Bulls back on
Speaker 1: the map and get them back to that you know,
Speaker 1: that championship era. UM, because Chicago Sports is big, man,
Speaker 1: They really they really root for you. They go after you,
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, I accepted that challenge and you
Speaker 1: know I still do and it's it's exciting. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm very humble to wear Chicago across my across my chest.
Speaker 1: Dropping forty nine as a career high and hitting threes
Speaker 1: tell us that that zone was like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: for some reason, man, I cannot get I haven't got
Speaker 1: fifty yet. I've had over forty five. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many times I have not I haven't got that
Speaker 1: fifty ball yet, but it's coming. That game was crazy, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that game was crazy. We were down the whole game, um,
Speaker 1: and I was just feeling it. Man. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of easy shots. You know, early stat You know this, man.
Speaker 1: You notice if you get easy shots early, you know
Speaker 1: when once you get in that rhythm, it's hard to
Speaker 1: get out of it. You know. I was getting open
Speaker 1: looks and then uh, gotten one of them zones that
Speaker 1: came down to the end, and you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: scared to take or miss any shot. Man. So you
Speaker 1: know we got that you and I was going for
Speaker 1: the win. When you hear your name throwing around in
Speaker 1: trade rumors, I mean, obviously you're having your first All
Speaker 1: Star season. How is it tough? Do you stay locked
Speaker 1: in feeling and it's part of the business. I know,
Speaker 1: I know that's what people want you to do, but um,
Speaker 1: how is it being you? Like I said, you're the
Speaker 1: best player on the team. But constantly hearing your name
Speaker 1: throwing around and possibly being traded. Yeah, I mean it's different.
Speaker 1: You I've been traded before and it's it's part of
Speaker 1: the business. I learned that pretty early in my career.
Speaker 1: But um, you know a lot of it is rumors.
Speaker 1: You know, if it doesn't come to me personally, you know,
Speaker 1: with my age, Rolf, I talked to the front office.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't come to me personally, I don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Um, you know, I also take it as
Speaker 1: you know, if there is other teams looking for you,
Speaker 1: you know, that means you're wanted. You know, you you
Speaker 1: looked as you looked at as a bonus, as a
Speaker 1: piece that can really help, or somebody's trying to you know,
Speaker 1: rebuild around you. So um, you know you're taking in stride, man.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, until that happens,
Speaker 1: I worry about my team and you know how I
Speaker 1: can help affect, you know, the team at hand. So
Speaker 1: you guys are right in the mix, um for the
Speaker 1: playoffs this year? What is your guys? You know, your
Speaker 1: ongoing message every day you know, obviously the goal is
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs and it really makes some noise
Speaker 1: in it. This is gonna be new for this young
Speaker 1: group that you guys have. But what what is your
Speaker 1: message daily in and out with your teammates. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not just me, it's you know, the coaching staff. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Billy's done a great job that Garrett always
Speaker 1: talk to me. Um. You know, you you can always
Speaker 1: have a goal in and going. You gotta strive for that,
Speaker 1: but we gotta go one game at that time because
Speaker 1: that that you know, at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: that's not doing come sooner. Um, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: take it one game at a time and then let
Speaker 1: the chips forward. May so take care of business each
Speaker 1: and every day, you know, get your work in and practice. Um,
Speaker 1: And that's cute. You know, still strive for that goal
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. You're playing a legendary
Speaker 1: position for historical franchise. You're playing the two guard for
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls. Have you got a chance to ever
Speaker 1: meet Mike or talk to Mike about what you got
Speaker 1: going on right now? And you playing the position he
Speaker 1: he made very famous over there. Yeah, I met I
Speaker 1: met him. I haven't talked to him, you know, and
Speaker 1: along I met him. Actually my rookie year. Um, I
Speaker 1: did a workout for Charlotte, and uh, he walked in
Speaker 1: like early into the workout, and you know all of
Speaker 1: us are hyped, you know, especially because he's in there,
Speaker 1: so now you're trying to show out and went over
Speaker 1: and shook his hand. His hand was so goddamn big,
Speaker 1: he wrapped my forearm, so um, you know that's when
Speaker 1: I met him. But you know, it's it's it's crazy, man,
Speaker 1: especially the stats that you see in you here, and
Speaker 1: there was one that was crazy that came out this
Speaker 1: this month. Because I think I'm averaging thirty this month
Speaker 1: and I'm tired for the thirty first best Month's crazy, right,
Speaker 1: it's my big How good this motherfucker? The stats he has,
Speaker 1: It's just like wow, that's you know, I couldn't I
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine. You know, we always wish we could have
Speaker 1: played against him. It's just like, that's this. I was
Speaker 1: a bad motherfucker. Man. Before we get out of here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit you with some quickly. But before that,
Speaker 1: there's something about Seattle. You guys, breed hoopers. You guys
Speaker 1: have had a ton that made it, but a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that didn't make it. That definitely should have
Speaker 1: made it. What is it about basketball out there and
Speaker 1: kind of that community and fraternity of Hoopers? What you nate,
Speaker 1: you know, Jamal, the list goes on Hoopers. I mean
Speaker 1: Seattle Hoopers have been on the bat for a minute.
Speaker 1: What is it is it in the water out there?
Speaker 1: What is it out there to get everybody? Seems like
Speaker 1: to the league out there? Man, I don't know. And
Speaker 1: you got you you name so many guys you almost
Speaker 1: forget about something, you know, and it's it goes back
Speaker 1: a while, you know, dudes like Doug Christie, you know,
Speaker 1: Jason Terry, Um, you know, we got we got Marvin Williams.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just so many dudes, Isaiah, Tom, it's
Speaker 1: every brother. You know. You don't want to you know,
Speaker 1: miss An, you know, but it's you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's a hot bed man um. And especially now with
Speaker 1: no team being there. Um, you know, guys are really
Speaker 1: out there trying to you know, trying to make it
Speaker 1: out and um, it's always been a great community. The
Speaker 1: pros give back, you know, and you just fall right
Speaker 1: in line. I remember me in high school and jam
Speaker 1: All taking me under his wing and going to the
Speaker 1: pro runs and watching them and then you know, me
Speaker 1: trying to do the same thing now with dudes like
Speaker 1: Jayden and Jalen Um and and going from there as
Speaker 1: a young guy coming up, Paulo, Benchyrold, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: off the charts in this couple of years. So it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a fraternity and we just you know,
Speaker 1: we keep the cycle going. Talk to us a little
Speaker 1: bit about Jamal's summer league because you guys obviously super competitive,
Speaker 1: but the ability to also draw other stars to come
Speaker 1: to your home, you know, basically to you guys at
Speaker 1: hometown and home turf and play. He has one of
Speaker 1: the best summer leagues around. Yeah, and that's all. That's all,
Speaker 1: mall Man. You know, he's such a loved, you know
Speaker 1: guy in the basketball league. You know, everybody knows how
Speaker 1: great of a guy is and teammate. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: this dude is still you know, still going out there.
Speaker 1: I think Mams forty right now, he's playing like he's
Speaker 1: twenty five. I'm just playing with him this last summer,
Speaker 1: Matt and this this dude still go. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell you he'll be a Hooper for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life. Jamal never love the game. He doesn't such
Speaker 1: a great job of bringing guys in, and you know,
Speaker 1: the proem is pretty much like the Sonics. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the only pros that you get to see right now.
Speaker 1: You know, hopefully the Sonics come back and you get
Speaker 1: a team in Seattle. They need it, so but until then,
Speaker 1: Jamal is doing, you know, such a fantastic job of
Speaker 1: keeping that basketball culture alive out there. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously being happy where you're at being a Chicago Bull.
Speaker 1: If if if a Seattle organization did ever come back,
Speaker 1: would that be a dream or a goal of yours
Speaker 1: that play in your hometown. I think it always is,
Speaker 1: especially because we haven't been there so long, and you know,
Speaker 1: before the end of my career, I would love to
Speaker 1: at least be able to have a chance to go
Speaker 1: do that. Alright, quick hitters, Jack, you want to start
Speaker 1: him off? All time best five Chicago Bulls who all
Speaker 1: time best starting They don't. Hey, don't be scared to
Speaker 1: throw yourself in there either, and I did. I did
Speaker 1: that on a I think Mark Spears told me the
Speaker 1: same thing. I'm not afraid of it. People don't give
Speaker 1: you backlash for whatever you say. Anyway. I don't give
Speaker 1: a damn. You know, of course I want I want
Speaker 1: to play with him, So I would say, uh, I
Speaker 1: say Derrick Rose, Michael Jordan's um put me in there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna slide to the three. I'll play the two
Speaker 1: or the three. Put Scottie Pippen and and Joe Kim Noah.
Speaker 1: There's so many different combos you can do. Man, there's
Speaker 1: so many different combos with the boards you can do. Though.
Speaker 1: You know, if you could be name dropped by any
Speaker 1: artists in the music game present or in the past,
Speaker 1: who would it be present or past? Wow? You know
Speaker 1: I'm a big I'm a big West Coast guy. Watch
Speaker 1: a lot um, you know. I like I like the
Speaker 1: common rappers, like future stuff, Chief Key, I like Chief keeps.
Speaker 1: Chief Keief is always been one of my favorite rappers
Speaker 1: at Chicago. So I'll say those three top three songs
Speaker 1: on your pregame playlist, Top three songs, top three songs
Speaker 1: right now? Damn? Can I look go ahead your pre
Speaker 1: game playlist? I can't lift the phone. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we got the phone set up. I can't look top
Speaker 1: three something. You know. Sometimes I go with I go
Speaker 1: with the old school stuff. Man, I'd be listening to
Speaker 1: some old Score and Beach. Yeah. That's my that's my lay,
Speaker 1: that's as Yeah. You know I was listening to Uh.
Speaker 1: I was listening to Joe before the game the other day.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I was listening to John B
Speaker 1: a couple of times. But then I go, I still,
Speaker 1: I go, I go listen to Future. You know, I
Speaker 1: listen to twenty one, Savage, Little Dirk, things like that, Pops,
Speaker 1: I pop smoke a lot right now. You know there's
Speaker 1: a piece of pop smoke. He has some he has something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has some Beggars that first album with some Ship. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you can create an all time dunk contest, including yourself,
Speaker 1: who are for other people you put into dunk against?
Speaker 1: Vince gotta be in there. Of course. I want to
Speaker 1: see that. I want to see that in person. Um me, Vince, Um,
Speaker 1: you know I'm putting it. I'm putting Lebron in there.
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron never done. Dunk contest is high school.
Speaker 1: But I want to see Lebron in it. Um how
Speaker 1: many people four or five? You got? You got two more? Yeah? Five?
Speaker 1: So me Vince, Braun, m J and UH who's the
Speaker 1: guy people wouldn't really think about. That's crazy. Um. It
Speaker 1: was one of the most athletic dudes I remember watching
Speaker 1: and growing up was andre Igdollar when he was younger. Man,
Speaker 1: he was you know, you gotta help us with his
Speaker 1: answer to this question. Okay, okay, who do you want
Speaker 1: to see on All the Smoke? Who you want to
Speaker 1: see on All the Smoke? Man? Yeah, it is because
Speaker 1: it's always I've always wanted to be on here. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got I got next in line? Has
Speaker 1: has that? Has? Have you guys been on it with
Speaker 1: Dame yet? Nah? No, We've been trying. We've been on
Speaker 1: and all. It's funny because we just didn't see j
Speaker 1: McCullum too, and and and we've been definitely definitely being
Speaker 1: watching with Dame. H else you watch on Dame Dame?
Speaker 1: Is it? What else? The guys really? I think Dames
Speaker 1: will go. I want to see an old you know,
Speaker 1: older dude KG. I think KG was the best one
Speaker 1: you had because he can give you stories. I mean
Speaker 1: I could throw something of your away, like a Jamal
Speaker 1: Crawford or Brandon Roy. Then the people basically put mall
Speaker 1: would mall would be mall would be mall would be great. Roy.
Speaker 1: Roy has a lot of stories. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: t would be great. Tool. You got a healthy journey man.
Speaker 1: That's what I'll pick them for. Shore was zach Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Best of luck in the All
Speaker 1: Star Game, and happy Early Birthday. Me and Jack are
Speaker 1: gonna be in Tuloom during the same time because my
Speaker 1: birthday is the day before years, so I'm the ninth
Speaker 1: You're the tenth man. Good luck in the Star Happy
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