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Speaker 2: You're in Washington, where I am Joe is not Today

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Speaker 2: that we heard President Biden speak from the Roosevelt Room

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Speaker 2: of the White House before he went on to an

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Speaker 2: event at North Carolina or in North Carolina today addressing

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing on college campuses and saying, in part, Joe,

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Speaker 2: there should be no place on any campus, no place

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Speaker 2: in America for anti semitism, and goes on to say,

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Speaker 2: no hate place for hate speech. And it was kind

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Speaker 2: of these ideas of hate speech and the definition of

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Speaker 2: anti semitism that was in question yesterday in the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives where they passed a bill that would get

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Speaker 2: to that definition and how the Department of Education specifically

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Speaker 2: should be dealing with it.

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Speaker 3: That's right, seeking to widen that definition in this case.

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Speaker 3: The vote was three twenty to ninety one, Kayley, so

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Speaker 3: there was overwhelming support, but a lot of progressive Democrats,

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Speaker 3: more than expected, voted against this measure on concerns that

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Speaker 3: it was encroaching potentially on First Amendment rights. But you're

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Speaker 3: correct here. This would the idea would be essentially to

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Speaker 3: set the bar for where one could pull funding federal

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Speaker 3: in Congressman Brian's style. The Republican from Wisconsin joins us

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Speaker 3: live from Capitol Hill, having voted for this measure. It's

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Speaker 3: good to see you, Congressman. How would you answer critics

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Speaker 3: of this bill who say that it does encroach on

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Speaker 3: First Amendment rights.

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Speaker 4: There's always a balance between individual's First Amendment rights in

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Speaker 4: on campuses. We've seen protests that have breached from First

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Speaker 4: in my home state Wisconsin. We've seen it in campuses

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Speaker 2: Well, Congressman, certainly we heard a message from President Biden

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Speaker 2: What more would you like to see the President do domestically,

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Speaker 2: what exactly is the resolution in your mind here?

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Speaker 4: Part of this is standing strong with the men and

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Speaker 4: That's playing out on a regular basis on campuses across

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Speaker 4: If college campuses like Columbia or in my home state

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Speaker 3: Is this that the congressman we're told the Senate has

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Speaker 4: Well, I have a lot of concerns with the inaction

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Speaker 2: Well, there are still some things that the Senate is

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Speaker 4: I always rather see things passes single issue vehicles. That's

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Speaker 3: How about a legal framework for cannabis companies, Congressman, that

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Speaker 3: seems to be the same conversation we keep hearing. Is

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Speaker 4: The Safe Banking Act, I think is less actually in

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Speaker 4: but I think it's saying we don't want the social

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Speaker 4: individuals trying to place social policy on bank regulators. Bank

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Speaker 4: that's not how this place works. So if we can

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the workings of the place, sir, it has

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Speaker 4: Speaker Johnson's done an admirable job and incredibly difficult circumstances.

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Speaker 4: I think it would be a mistake to have that

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Speaker 4: able to table that quickly. It's really functions is a distraction,

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Speaker 4: a narrowly divided Congress. Things are difficult here. But hopefully

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Speaker 3: I know you want to support the speaker and you

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Speaker 3: will support the Speaker if this comes to the floor, Congressman,

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Speaker 3: But do you worry about the impression that it will

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Speaker 3: Does that weaken him in the long term?

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Speaker 4: I don't think it does. I think what people are

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Speaker 4: going to look at as the record, we've actually done

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Speaker 4: I think there's a long wreck of what Speaker Johnson

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Speaker 2: While we talk about the leader of your chamber, sir,

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Speaker 2: of your party overall. Because Donald Trump was in your

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Speaker 2: accept the results of the election in November. His answer, sir, was,

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Speaker 2: you have to fight for the right of the country. Congressman,

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Speaker 4: I think we got a great opportunity, not only in

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Speaker 4: The more people that vote, the better off we are.

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Speaker 4: And encouraging people to come out and vote legally is

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Speaker 3: Well, Congressman, it's not lost on us that the new

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Speaker 3: chair of the Wisconsin Republican Party actually worked for your campaign,

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Speaker 3: so your insights are meaningful there. Donald Trump has said

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Speaker 3: mail in voting. And this really got our attention because

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Speaker 3: He writes, absentee voting, early voting, and election day voting

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Speaker 3: are all good options. Republicans must make a plan, register

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Speaker 3: and vote. Does that mean, Congressman, assuming that you agree here,

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Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure you do, that, we are not

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Speaker 3: going to see people filming, for instance, dropboxes when people

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Speaker 4: I think we've got a great opportunity here to encourage

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Speaker 4: Republicans to use all legal tools to make sure that

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Speaker 4: we're getting the vote out. Low propensity voters are disproportionately

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Speaker 4: likely to favor President Trump, and so at the end

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Speaker 4: that it is safe, that it is legal to vote

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Speaker 4: by mail in a state like Wisconsin. We should encourage

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Speaker 2: All right, Congressman Brian Style, the Republican from Wisconsin, joining

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time, sir, We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've been talking a lot about election integrity here

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Speaker 5: As I said before, there's only two outcomes. I win

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Speaker 3: All right, Lincoln, Kaylee, we have a lot more to

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Speaker 2: And it's unclear whether or not that bill will base

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Speaker 3: Great to be here at World Headquarters in New York, Kylee,

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Speaker 3: this morning, Kayley, as the President chose to speak kind

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, although you can see this evidenced all across the country.

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Speaker 5: It to a substantial extent. He has already changed his

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm deeply afraid of that, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Well and Lincoln. I was reading one of your recent

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Jerry Nadler. He had quite a statement after

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Speaker 5: these right all of these Republicans have voted for this bill,

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Speaker 5: are antisemitic. I'm not saying that. I think Tom Cotton,

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Speaker 5: I think Donald Trump has used anti Semitic imagery throughout

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Speaker 5: his campaigns. I think he has surrounded himself known anti Semites.

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Speaker 5: And I've never heard a word of this about this

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Speaker 5: I'm saying this, and I will also say I have

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Speaker 5: over and over how confident they are that there's no

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Speaker 5: that is not true at all. So this is not

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Speaker 5: making a partisan point here except to say that both

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Speaker 5: parties need to look inward if they want to solve

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Speaker 5: this problem. And not make it a way just to

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Speaker 3: I'm really glad you could join us today. Lincoln Mitchell

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Speaker 3: School of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University. He

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Speaker 3: speaks to this issue firsthand, and it's great to have

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Speaker 3: you back. Lincoln. Thank you for joining us. We'd like

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Speaker 3: to keep this conversation going as we bring in Laura Davison,

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Speaker 3: of course covers our political coverage, leads our political coverage,

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Speaker 3: i should say, in Washington, and is with us now

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Speaker 3: in our Washington bureau, Laura. The stakes here are certainly

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Speaker 3: high for Joe Biden. Lincoln just outlined a scenario in

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Speaker 3: which he could lose the election on this campus protest

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Speaker 3: issue alone. Does the campaign have that same worry?

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Speaker 6: The campaign publicly is not expressing worry. They said, look,

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Speaker 6: you know, voters are focused on the economy, but privately,

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Speaker 6: there is more worry that you know that this is

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Speaker 6: becoming a much bigger issue. This has been all over

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Speaker 6: the news now for you know, going on two weeks

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Speaker 6: and sort of with the the backlash you know of

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Speaker 6: There is more sympathy on the side of the protesters here. However,

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Speaker 6: in the remarks we saw from the President today, he

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Speaker 6: said he went out these unscheduled came and said, look,

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Speaker 6: students have a right to protest if it's peaceful. When

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Speaker 6: it veers into vandalism, into going into buildings, into you know,

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Speaker 6: hate speech, things like antisemitic remarks, that's where it's a problem.

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Speaker 6: So that really tells you where the campaign is. They think,

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Speaker 6: Look that the majority of the American people are behind

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Speaker 2: So that's what he's trying to do to address the

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Speaker 2: domestic situation. In the meantime, members of his administration, like

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State Antony Blincoln, have been in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East this week, still trying to effort a ceasefire, albeit

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Speaker 2: a temporary one, between Israel and Hamas is the ceasefire

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Speaker 2: really the only thing that Biden can do to solve

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Speaker 2: not just problems abroad, but these problems here at home,

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Speaker 2: and that's not entirely in his control.

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Speaker 6: It isn't but a ceasefire. You know, we heard it

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Speaker 6: from from Blincoln earlier this week. When asked you what

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Speaker 6: if this doesn't come together, he just said it just

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Speaker 6: has to. So that's where you really see the administration

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Speaker 6: I think there's also a realization too that you know,

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Speaker 6: You know, if there's a ceasefire, that this issue really

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Speaker 6: calms down, students go home for the summer and then

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Speaker 6: it's not as much of a problem, you know, when

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Speaker 6: they're back in the fall. You know, if this were happening,

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Speaker 6: you know what's been happening the past two weeks in October,

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Speaker 6: it would be a much bigger problem for the administration

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Speaker 6: and for Biden's reelection. Right now, they're betting that this

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Speaker 6: will be, you know, a memory of the distant past,

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Speaker 6: you know, in a couple months. All right, Bloomberg Politics

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Speaker 6: Editor Laura Davison, thank you so much, and Joe, as

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Speaker 6: we talk about the summer months, does call to mind.

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Speaker 6: We have conventions coming up, including a Democratic convention in Chicago,

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Speaker 6: and a lot of people have been mentioning nineteen sixty

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Speaker 6: eight in the same sentence as convention. Lateley, it's something

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Speaker 6: to consider.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's something to consider, and you better believe that

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Speaker 3: those planning security for both conventions are well aware of

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Speaker 3: that conversation. And we'll be talking a lot more about

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Speaker 3: the preparations getting closer. We'll have more ahead on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast weekdays

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Speaker 3: We now bring you to the Senate. This is a conversation, Kaylie,

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Speaker 3: that we've been looking forward to. Senator Tammy Duckworth of

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Speaker 3: Illinois joins us as we see motion here on this

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Speaker 3: bill to reauthorize the FAA. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: it cleared its first Senate procedural hurdle just yesterday, and

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Speaker 3: Senator I want to welcome you back to Bloomberg. Will

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Speaker 3: this work get done before expiration?

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Speaker 7: Yes, it will. I'm very excited. We're going to have

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Speaker 7: the vote on them and the motion to proceed today

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Speaker 7: and then we'll vote on some amendments and final passage

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Speaker 7: by the end of next week, which will be just

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Speaker 7: in time for the May tenth deadline.

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Speaker 2: So Senator, just to be clear, you don't expect that

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Speaker 2: you will need some kind of short term reauthorization to

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Speaker 2: allow that amendment process to play out.

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Speaker 7: No, I don't expect it. This is a very bypart

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Speaker 7: of bill, and I know there's some amendments, but even

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Speaker 7: the amendments are not too egregious. We have some that

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Speaker 7: are you know, that are going to be highly contested,

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Speaker 7: but I think they'll move along fairly quickly. But this

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Speaker 7: is a really good bill we work very hard on

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Speaker 7: in a bipartisan by camera way, and it is truly

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Speaker 7: needed for the safety of our aviation system.

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Speaker 3: Well, speak to our listeners and viewers about that, Senator,

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Speaker 3: because I just want people to understand what it is

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Speaker 3: you're reauthorizing and what the risks would be to not

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Speaker 3: meet that deadline. Because people are waking up every day

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Speaker 3: to wild stories about airlines, about close calls on tarmacx

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Speaker 3: wheels falling off, planes, going off runways. To what extent

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Speaker 3: could this help to shore up safety in our aviation system?

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Speaker 7: Well, significantly, we increase by seven foot the funding available

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Speaker 7: for training pilots, mechanics, maintenance workers and air traffic controllers.

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Speaker 7: And in fact, for the first time in well over

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Speaker 7: a decade, we are funding the FAA to uh failed

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Speaker 7: their Air Traffic Controller Academy, so every seat that's available

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Speaker 7: is going to be filled. We have a shortage of

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Speaker 7: air traffic controllers right now, and that's part of the

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Speaker 7: problem as well. And then also we are funding the

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Speaker 7: FAA to an extent that it can actually hire new

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Speaker 7: people to provide those safety inspections of those manufacturers to

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Speaker 7: make sure that they are living up to the highest standards.

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Speaker 7: And so what has been happening over the years is

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Speaker 7: been falling over time when you compare it to inflation,

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Speaker 7: and we've lost a lot of experienced people, both with

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Speaker 7: the buyouts wanted by the airlines during COVID and also retirements.

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Speaker 7: Even within the FAA, we can hire replacements, and now

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Speaker 7: we're getting to a place where we're hitting the reset button.

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Speaker 7: We're going to fund the training programs are both on

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Speaker 7: sure that we have the best trained people to help

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Speaker 2: All right, Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, the Democrat, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for being with us. I wish we

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Speaker 2: had more time with you today on Bloomberg Television and radio,

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Speaker 2: but we sincerely appreciate you joining us, and just for

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Speaker 2: our DC listeners and viewers. Senator Mark Warner of Virginia

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Speaker 2: Joe tweeting DCA already extremely overcrowded. He will fight tooth

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Speaker 2: and nail to cram more to stop cramming more flights

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Speaker 2: onto the runway, but that's included in this bill.

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Speaker 3: All I know is my rafters are shaken.

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