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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is ty Hildenbrandt. That fine gentleman over there, the one,

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Speaker 2: the only, still, the incomparable Dan Rubinstein. For about eight

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Speaker 1: Dan, how are you today? I'm good and I'm still

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Speaker 1: very much in that that consideration mode to make it

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Speaker 2: versus the world. Last week Ty went five and zero.

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Speaker 2: Ty is this guy right here? I'm pointing to myself,

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Speaker 2: yours truly, Come at me, Come at me this week

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Speaker 2: tonight College Football Thursdays. I want to get your picks.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your college football takes, just in general.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't have to be a contentious relationship. I just

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Speaker 2: all things college football live on Spotify. Dan, we don't

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Speaker 1: Uh, it swings by the episode, but sure in theory,

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Speaker 1: that's our goal, Dan, and time to help the week.

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Speaker 2: Week four? Yeah, whoa Week four? Already moving quick. We

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Speaker 2: like to do what we call the Saturday naming ritual.

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Speaker 1: but Baylor, Iowa State extremely big pickleball potential. Clemson Clemson Wake.

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Speaker 2: noon Eastern, eleventh Central. It is Baylor at Iowa State.

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Speaker 2: Iowa State now a three point favorite. Dan. These lines

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Speaker 1: I believe Iowa State to be the more evolved team

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Speaker 1: and still like you know that they have a couple

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm still I think a bigger believer right now

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Speaker 1: No, I think people have a wary eye on Clemson,

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Speaker 2: So the change part I think is pretty big. But hell,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: With the way that they run the slow mesh, the

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Speaker 2: Will Shipley is very very good. Will Shipley is still

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Speaker 2: This is the main thing I'm watching for. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the Tigers as well. I think they're

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Speaker 1: So my thought is basically right now. This year's version

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Speaker 2: What I like about this show every week and this

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Speaker 1: I've been very bad now I bread this year, but no,

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Speaker 2: But I think I'm with you. I think Clemson's like

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Speaker 1: So here's the other thing. Yeah, here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: his name. I apologize Clemson needed to play bigger games

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Speaker 1: And right now, by the end of September, I think

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Speaker 2: We agree two games in a row to three thirty.

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Speaker 2: The CBS game It's Florida at Tennessee is a rivalry game.

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's favored by ten and a half point. Stan, give

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Speaker 2: out the records. Oh in a ribbaly, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: The records, the.

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Speaker 2: Suppositions, the half baked conclusions, everything goes out the window

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Speaker 1: I think Tennessee covers this. I'm kind of down on

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Speaker 2: For Florida, Like a Thomas mccowski, what would you say

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Speaker 1: You know, we saw Pitt take advantage. I think Pit's

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Speaker 1: I regret using the word halt because there was nowhere

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Speaker 1: about a team's ability. If we were going to say

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Speaker 1: the biggest difference between the team is between week one

434
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Speaker 1: and week two, that just as we get closer to

435
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Speaker 1: the end of September, week one just means very little

436
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Speaker 1: to me. Great win, take it in a vacuum. It

437
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Speaker 1: was awesome that Florida was able to get it done.

438
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Speaker 1: But I just for basically every team, if they played

439
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Speaker 1: against a real opponent in week one, however good they looked,

440
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Speaker 1: if they weren't able to fully sustain it, however bad

441
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Speaker 1: they looked, and they don't look as bad. I'm just

442
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Speaker 1: I'm throwing away a lot of what I care about

443
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Speaker 1: from week one, and so I think I'm doing that

444
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Speaker 1: with Florida in this instance.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we agree again. It's three games in a row.

446
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: It's unprecedented here, unprecedented. We three thirty ESPN Texas minus

447
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Speaker 2: six and one half points. This line has gone up

448
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Speaker 2: on the road at my beloved, my ever so gumpy

449
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: Texas Tech Red Raiders. Yeah, this is one of the

450
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Speaker 2: games for Texas Tech where they are not catching an

451
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Speaker 2: opponent in a letdown spot or a look ahead spot,

452
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Speaker 2: and I factored that in. I did factor that in.

453
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Speaker 2: I am biased to It's Texas Tech, if only because

454
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Speaker 2: I've been on them all year, like all calendar year, right,

455
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Speaker 2: not just this season since like February. So where are

456
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Speaker 2: you at the Battle of Texas.

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Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, I'm feeling better about the Tim de Ruder

458
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Texas Tech defense than I'm feeling about it. It's a

459
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Speaker 1: backup quarterback situation. There's some underlying things that I like,

460
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Speaker 1: underlying things that I don't like about Tech. I'm going

461
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Speaker 1: Red Raiders here. I think there is something again if

462
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Speaker 1: maybe this is a sustainable Saturday, right, the things that

463
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Speaker 1: are not sustainable and talking about what Florida is or

464
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Speaker 1: is not able to sustain. There is something about like, well,

465
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Speaker 1: we hope Bejeon Robinson and Roshan Johnson can be literally

466
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Speaker 1: everything for us against everybody until Quinn Yours comes back.

467
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: Because of Hudson Card's health and the downturn that the

468
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Speaker 1: Texas passing game has taken since they've turned to Hudson Card,

469
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Speaker 1: that to me is worrisome. I like Texas's defense and

470
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Speaker 1: the improvement that they seem to be showing. I don't

471
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Speaker 1: specifically love anything about Texas Tech. I think they are

472
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Speaker 1: just feisty enough to be a wrong team at the

473
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Speaker 1: wrong time for Texas. Right that this is what their

474
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Speaker 1: first sellout in a few years I saw in Lubbock.

475
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Speaker 1: It's very surprising to me because that seems like a

476
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Speaker 1: community that loves Texas Tech. But who knows, it's been

477
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Speaker 1: a weird few years under Matt Wells. I just think

478
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Speaker 1: they'll catch them at a good time. Right. They were

479
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Speaker 1: close against UTSA for a half, and I just think

480
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: Tech is going to have more to throw at the Horns.

481
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: I think Texas may ultimately escape this game, but the

482
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Speaker 1: line seems odd to me.

483
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Speaker 2: I'm very conflicted here because the opponent and situation adjusted

484
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Speaker 2: numbers for whatever they're worth through three weeks, and they're

485
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Speaker 2: not everything. It's just a data point. They hate the

486
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Speaker 2: Texas past defense, hate hate, hate the Texas past defense,

487
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Speaker 2: and one would think that would pose a problem when

488
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Speaker 2: you're going up against Zach Kittley offense. Even if even

489
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Speaker 2: if they've got the their own kinks that they're working through,

490
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: they're going to throw the crap out of the ball.

491
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Speaker 2: Tech has one hundred and thirty eight passing attempts this season,

492
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Speaker 2: which is fourth in the FBS behind Purdue Mississippi State

493
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Speaker 2: and would you believe it, Northwestern.

494
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Speaker 1: Wild But yes, I do believe it now.

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Speaker 2: The Tech defense has also been pretty good this year. Yeah,

496
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Speaker 2: they profile is a solid top forty caliber team here.

497
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Speaker 2: So I remain conflicted. On one hand, I do believe

498
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Speaker 2: Texas is just better or better team. Sure, I don't

499
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Speaker 2: care what the numbers say. This is still the team

500
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Speaker 2: that almost beat Alabama two weeks ago, Like we need

501
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Speaker 2: to give them some respect in that regard.

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Speaker 1: But at the.

503
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Speaker 2: Same time, remember what I said way back when I'm

504
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Speaker 2: with a different quarterback to start the different quarterback, different quarterback. Yeah,

505
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 2: it's still a pretty good team. I also harken back

506
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Speaker 2: to something I've said. If you're going to bring up stuff,

507
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Speaker 2: old stuff from the show, I can bring up my

508
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: old rule of betting, which is, be wary of the

509
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Speaker 2: de facto national championship game. True, be warrey of the

510
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: de facto national championship game. Texas Tech might play what

511
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Speaker 2: eight other games this year? True, none of them are

512
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Speaker 2: going to mean as much as this because it's Texas.

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Speaker 1: In piggybacking and what you're saying, Texas and Oklahoma are

514
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Speaker 1: going on a bit of a blood tour right now

515
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Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. I'm not saying that they're going

516
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Speaker 1: to lose games because fan bases are upset that Texas

517
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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma are leaving for the SEC and altering the

518
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Speaker 1: landscape of the Big Twelve. Big twelve will be fine,

519
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Speaker 1: but certainly altering the landscape and making a statement they're like,

520
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: we don't believe in this conference. We believe that there

521
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Speaker 1: are greener pastures to our southeast. So I just believe

522
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Speaker 1: that if you're looking at intangible elements, that the spice

523
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Speaker 1: factor from Big Twelve home crowds when hosting Texas in

524
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma might be a little bit more pronounced. More tortilla

525
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Speaker 1: is getting thrown this week, more tortillas, just a little

526
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Speaker 1: more electricity. And so there is something about that with

527
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Speaker 1: this beginning the blood tour for Texas and Oklahoma and

528
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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve that I just think I'm factoring in.

529
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna decide wins and losses per se,

530
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: but if you're looking at factors, the spiciness is going

531
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Speaker 1: to be there in Lubbock the Yokos home dog of

532
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Speaker 1: the week. Give me Tech across the six and a

533
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Speaker 1: half that swayed you, swung you. I mean, I'm nothing

534
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Speaker 1: if not a blank slate when I come to these

535
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Speaker 1: calls with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, nothing if not a blank slate. I'm

537
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: an impressionable young mind. I come in with some supposition,

538
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: some of it is confirmed, some of it I'm talked

539
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: off the ledge, but I'm with you on Tech. We agree,

540
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: four straight games.

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Speaker 1: Now let's move on. By the way, the other thing

542
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: to point out, just in picking these games, Tech might

543
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Speaker 1: have the most accurate data of the because they've Houston

544
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: and NC State. Not a lot of teams have played two.

545
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: Legit top forty is shumes. I feel like I trusted

546
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: a little bit more with Tech now. They lost and

547
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't do much on offense DANZ State and really tried

548
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: to lose to Houston as well, to be clear, but

549
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: they won that clunker. That's something.

550
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Speaker 2: Four o'clock on Fox your Oregon Ducks minus six and

551
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: a half on the road at Wazoo. I I went

552
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: I read a lot on this game. Okay, I felt

553
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: like I read a thousand times.

554
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Speaker 1: It's like the.

555
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Speaker 2: Reporter trope of the week. You know, Pullman's a tough

556
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: place to play. Pullman's a tough place to play, and

557
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: it is a tough place to play. I don't mean

558
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: I have that scar tissue. I don't mean to throw shade.

559
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: It is a tough place to play. My supposition though,

560
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: on Wazoo is that they're not that good and that

561
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Speaker 2: this line feels low.

562
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Speaker 1: No tell me I'm wrong. I think their defense is

563
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I don't I don't know what you

564
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: feel about cam Ward at the moment in this offense.

565
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of sloppiness to this offense at

566
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: the moment. But I'm intrigued enough by their line and

567
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: intrigued enough by the upside I suppose of this offense

568
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: to not write them off as a bad team or

569
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, disappointing team. Defense is interesting. I think the

570
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: front gets after it a little bit. They're fast, a

571
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: little bit undersized, but fast. Ah Man, I am too

572
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: haunted by Pullman visits. If you remember when game Day

573
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: was there for Cardner Minshew and there were all sorts

574
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: of and they just justin Herbert came out super flat.

575
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: That was the time when like Mario Christoball teams were

576
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: just coming out super flat in first quarters, seconding first halves.

577
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Speaker 1: You know, maybe the crossover of Marcus Arroyo as the

578
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator didn't help. But there's a lot of scar

579
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: tissue there for me. Now, different coaching staff, different quarterback,

580
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: not as good as Justin Herbert, different quarterback, different general

581
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: strategy to me on both sides of the ball, and

582
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Speaker 1: to come out like they did last week as emotionally

583
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: and spiritually and whatever prepared that they show themselves to

584
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Speaker 1: be from the gun from the onset of that game. Now,

585
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: it was an Otsen, it was against the YU team

586
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: coming off of a tough game. I just I'm gonna

587
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: underthink this one and say Oregon covers. I think when

588
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: you have the ability with this offensive line to open

589
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: up the kinds of lanes that I think if they

590
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: were able to open it against BYU, I think they're

591
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna be able to open it against Wazoo. And I

592
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: think there's an opportunities in play action. The defense improved

593
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Speaker 1: against the edge. They were lining linebackers up out wide

594
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Speaker 1: to beat those those edge blocks. Whatever, I'm going to

595
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Speaker 1: Oregon to cover here, just because if I am if

596
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Speaker 1: I am picking Wazoo, I'm saying it's at Wazoo. It's

597
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: a difficult, weird place. But I don't feel strongly enough

598
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Speaker 1: about any one element. If I believe Oregon to be

599
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: a top fifteen ish team, which they're ranked right, I

600
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: think right at fifteen right now the epop pole, I think.

601
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I think the way that they can get business done

602
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: is a way that they can win this game by

603
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Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty one points.

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Speaker 2: As an Oregon fan, yeah, do you feel like after

605
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: the big loss in Week one to Georgia that a

606
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: lot of folks out there who aren't tuned into PAC

607
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: twelve slash Oregon Football wrote Oregon off just forgot about

608
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: him because they got beat as badly as they did.

609
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: I think they wrote Oregon off as like, well, they're

610
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: probably not going to go ten and two, eleven and

611
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: one and end up in a New Year six conversation.

612
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: So yes, when you do that in front of however,

613
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: many million, six seven million people watched that game and

614
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: saw the golf the forty nine to three gulf between

615
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: the two programs, I think the most optimistic Oregon fan

616
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: would say Stan Lanning's first game, there are not nobody's

617
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: in the stratosphere within the PAC twelve of Georgia, so

618
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter.

619
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Speaker 1: Now. Losing forty nine to seventeen would have been a

620
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: little more encouraging. Finding the end zone a couple times

621
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: would have been more encouraging. But I think the further

622
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: we get from that game and the way that Oregon

623
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: has responded, this is an orgon team that probably would

624
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: not have covered in a winning effort against BYU and

625
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: East even Eastern Washington didn't cover against Stonybrook last year.

626
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: So I think that the manner in which they have

627
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: bounced back is encouraging enough to the point where you

628
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: can say, yes, they lost to Georgia in that manner,

629
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: but they can still go nine and three, ten and two.

630
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Georgia is just such a funhouse mirror. Yeah,

631
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean, they make everybody look horrible, and for that

632
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: to be the lasting impression of Oregon, even even through

633
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: last week, I think is really doing them into service.

634
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: I think it's a good team, and I think the

635
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: way that Dan Lanning had that team fired up last week,

636
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: in particular, big game against a good team in BYU,

637
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: that was that was really impressive. We still don't fully

638
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: know what this team's gonna be. But I don't know,

639
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: and you have a better sense than I do. It

640
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Just it just feels to me like they're pretty good

641
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: and they're gonna hammer Wazoo and I'm gonna lock this one.

642
00:32:53,880 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Up this week. Wow, look of the week. All right, Yeah,

643
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm in on Oregon right now. I'm feeling

644
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it.

645
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: We agree five for five.

646
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: Wow. I think the kind of team other than Georgia,

647
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: the kind of team within the Pac twelve or otherwise

648
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: that can really take advantage of this Oregon team is

649
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: with a passing attack that is fully formed and can

650
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: shred you in multiple ways. Oregon was not prepared to

651
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: be tested on the edge like they were against Georgia.

652
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: But I don't, you know, between the injuries that Byu

653
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: had and Jaren Hall being a little bit skittish reading

654
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: the defense, Organ's got a great corner in Christian Zalez,

655
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: but I don't in a pretty good safety of Ben

656
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: and Williams, but I don't think they have a lot

657
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: in the way of the secondary and in the way

658
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: of a pass rush. I just don't think Wazoo's that

659
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: team to take advantage. Yeah, I agree, we agree. Five

660
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: for five.

661
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: Okay, seven pm ESPN arkansaw against Texas A and M

662
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: neutral site game in Jerry's world, Texas A and M

663
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: favored by a one and a half point swow. I

664
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: was hung up on this one for a while. Okay,

665
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how you felt about this one, but

666
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we know which team has more talent

667
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: because we've been beaten over the head with it for

668
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: the last six months Texas A and M and this

669
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: monster recruiting class. But if I ask you right now,

670
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: which team is better? Which team is better?

671
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Dan, what would you say if Arkansas performed a little

672
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: bit better against Missouri State, it wouldn't be much of

673
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: a question. The way a team beats Arkansas succeeds against

674
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Arkansas is probably taking advantage of this past defense, especially

675
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: down the field. We know a good amount about Texas

676
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: A and M now that they've played a couple of

677
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: decent teams in app State, Miami. This is not necessarily

678
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: how other beating teams going downfield successfully.

679
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: So I'm laughing because I'm with you. I'm We're we're

680
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: very much on the same train of thought this week.

681
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: And you know, The Arkansas thing is fascinating. It's a

682
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: fascinating story for me to watch because, you know, we

683
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: tend to look at projections now because the data starts

684
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: to get a little bit better, and there are any

685
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: number of different ways that you can slice and dice

686
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: the first couple weeks of the season. But Arkansas is

687
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: like a true toss up team. The variance on their

688
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: possible results moving forward it's a pretty wide spectrum. I

689
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: saw one set of projections that has them at seven

690
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: and five, but the win probability is all like forty

691
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: five to fifty five percent. A lot of games that

692
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: are a true toss up. So you know, there's an

693
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: opportunity here for really special season for Arkansas. If they

694
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: can get that pass defense sorted out, if they can

695
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: get some of these kinks that everybody's working through that

696
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: we know Arkansas has, it's an opportunity for them. I

697
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: don't know if you've got your Ryan or your Ryan

698
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: Goslings sound your opportunity at the ready, but that's how

699
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: I feel about this about this Hoggs team.

700
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: For sure.

701
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: The next four weeks of the season are going to

702
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: be very, very critical for Contexts. Arkansas won this game

703
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: twenty to ten last season. I just kept coming back

704
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: to the fact that A and M's offense has been

705
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: really bad this season. I don't have a ton of

706
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: faith in Max Johnson to make it more explosive. That's

707
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: just not the kind of player he is. And I

708
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: have a hard time believing that it's just going to

709
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: get better overnight. And so I think I'm picking Arkansas outright.

710
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm neutral field. Go with the better quarterback, you know,

711
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: if you want to underthink it, and that's kJ Jefferson.

712
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Go with the team that had seemed to have all

713
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: the answers except for one long Isaiah Spiller run last year.

714
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: Different teams totally understood Texas. A and M has just

715
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: had a very short season already of a lot of

716
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: upheaval between suspensions and injuries and quarterback changes and calls

717
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: for complete overhauls of the offense because of an app

718
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: State performance. App State, it's a fun team, not a

719
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: team that has had an incredible defense all year long.

720
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know, there's something more consistent to me

721
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: about where Arkansas is despite needing the punt reach and

722
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: that they needed against Missouri State and the Bears last week.

723
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm going Arkansas here because I think too, I think

724
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: there are more stable ground, so all things being relatively equal, Yeah, whoopig.

725
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Six in a row, You and I have picked the same.

726
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: This might be unprecedented crazy.

727
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time around each other.

728
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: Seven point thirty ABC. It is Wisconsin on the road

729
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. Is a big point spread eighteen and

730
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: a half points. These teams have not played since the

731
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen Big Ten Championship Game. A lot's changed since then.

732
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: For Ohio State, of course, Wisconsin basically the same, though.

733
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: They kind of the same. They haven't been a lot

734
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: of big many Big Ten Championship teams that they've been

735
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: DIA kind of the same but with worse players, right,

736
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: kind of the same. So I'm curious about the matchup

737
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: because I think it'll be an interesting data point. Again,

738
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about trying to get something. We

739
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: can sink our teeth in two and figure out what

740
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: these teams are. I don't think Wisconsin poses a real

741
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: threat here to Ohio State, and I'm going to rue

742
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: the day that I say that, not just about Wisconsin,

743
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: but about the random team that challenges Ohio State this year,

744
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: because Ohio State always has a random team that challenges them.

745
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: Well, Ohio State last season had trouble, trouble, excuse me,

746
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: with physical opponents. Clearly this was an area of focus

747
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: for them in the offseason. Let's see what they can

748
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: do against a team like Wisconsin that we know wants

749
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: to play a physical brand of football. Ultimately, they have

750
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: way too many ways to win here. Ultimately, I can't

751
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: get past Wisconsin losing at home to Wazoo.

752
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: Like, come on, an extremely winnable game, but extremely win

753
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: they lose to a lot of mental mistakes. Yeah, not

754
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: great the way they lost that game.

755
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: So in terms of data points and things that give

756
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: you the cause for pause, our favorite pet charity, there

757
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: you go. That loss against Wazoo is a pretty big

758
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: one to me. I don't think they threaten Ohio State.

759
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State is far and away the better

760
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: team here. I'm I'm I'm looking at the line. Eighteen

761
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: and a half's a big number, but I don't have

762
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: any real good reason to go with Wisconsin from what

763
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: I've seen this season. It's just I know exactly what

764
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: the offense is going to do. I don't have a

765
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: whole lot of faith in the quarterback situation. I don't

766
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of faith in the offensive situation

767
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: that they're going to do something creative, They're going to

768
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: pull like a rabbit out of their hats suddenly be

769
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: this oopd ube offense just is not what they are.

770
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: So I guess Ohio State mine's eighteen and a half.

771
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, okay, So the case for Wisconsin covering is some

772
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: sort of belief in faith in this defense grinding Ohio

773
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: State down enough to force field goals instead of touchdowns

774
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: at all points. Right that, like, like Notre Dame did

775
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: in a sense correct, Right, that was an eleven point game.

776
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: And so if you're going to say, well, Notre Dame

777
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: isn't not Wisconsin in the way that they've struggled sometimes,

778
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: especially on offense. By the way, two fan bases who

779
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: might reference Jack Cone with the following preamble in retrospect,

780
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: In retrospect Jack Cone, the Cone zone was not a

781
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: terrible place to be.

782
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: No, by the way, Jack Cone played on that twenty

783
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: nineteen team, and Jack con had really good numbers for Wisconsin.

784
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: Did not take them to the roseball like. Look, there

785
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: were limitations to what they were able to do downfield.

786
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: He wasn't as bad as we made him out to be.

787
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: At least is not as bad as I made him

788
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: out to be.

789
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, have them within a couple of minutes of

790
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: beating Oregon to win that Rose Bowl. That's fine. A

791
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: totally serviceable quarterback who doesn't need, if he doesn't need

792
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: to be counted on to put a team on his

793
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: back again, which both I think Wisconsin Notre Dame would

794
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: be thrilled At the moment, I'm taking Ohio State because

795
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I have to do too much mental gymnastics. I have

796
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: to contort myself in ways to say Wisconsin has a

797
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: good defense, and the problem is Wisconsin's offense has too

798
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: many ways to hang its own defense out to dry.

799
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: And if Ohio State's defense is as improved as we

800
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: believe them to be, because especially you Tingle for Jim Knowles,

801
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: I uh, I think, eventually, what is the number again

802
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: between eighteen and a half? Yeah, this this definitely has

803
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight thirteen potential. It does. It just does at

804
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: this point because as again you remember the Notre Dame game,

805
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: no Jackson Smith and Jigba for the majority of that game,

806
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and that multiple guys are getting more comfortable in the

807
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: receiver room for Ohio State, the defense is gelling more

808
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: and more within this defense obviously, that's where defense and gels. Uh.

809
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're at the point where

810
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: we have a better form team. If Wisconsin had like

811
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: a first year quarterback who had shown potential but not

812
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: fully there, you'd be like, well, you can gamble on

813
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: like having a breakthrough game as a gamer in a

814
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: big moment. We sort of know what grammar it's is.

815
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: It isn't at this point. So yeah, in Columbus, I'm taken.

816
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm taking the bucks here by three touchdowns plus.

817
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: And by the way, you mentioned JSN, Jackson Smith and

818
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Jigba he's going to play.

819
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be back, as I know he got

820
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: in there last week.

821
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Julian Fleming, So it sounds and I know CJ.

822
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: Stroud made some comments this week about how the offense

823
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: feels a little bit better now that those guys are back.

824
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: So the one takeaway I had and then we'll move

825
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: on here about that Notre Dame game. Once Ohio State

826
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: got rolling, keep in mind this is the first game

827
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: of the year for them too. Once they got rolling,

828
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: back half of the third quarter all throughout the fourth quarter.

829
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: There is definitely a different vibe to that game. It

830
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: definitely started feeling like this is a good Notre Dame defense,

831
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: but also is a really good Ohio State offense and

832
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: they're just starting to get up to speed. So I

833
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: think I thirty eight thirteen is what you said?

834
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Thirty eight thirteen, That's what I was about. Right, do

835
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: we agree on seven straight games? By the way I saw,

836
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: I did see. I think as a Columbus dispatch, Tree

837
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: Henderson will be available Trevian Henderson for Ohio State. Yeah,

838
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily full go expected to start. It's available. Sometimes.

839
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: That means if five running backs get hurt. So I

840
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: don't think that makes a huge difference, because I think

841
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: there's just still enough there in that running back room

842
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: to I don't know, turn out five six yards of

843
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: carry if need be. That's easier said than done against

844
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: a Wisconsin defense, but I think there's enough to replicate

845
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: eighty five percent Trey Henderson's ability.

846
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: So seven for seven, We're going to rattle through a

847
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: bunch of other games here.

848
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
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849
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Speaker 2: put a bow on this year's show. High Noon The

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Speaker 2: Iron Skillet Game, the one hundred and first Iron Skillet

879
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: Game between TCU and SMU. SMU is at home. TCU

880
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: is a two point favorite, a very early homecoming for

881
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: Sunny Dykes who just left SMU take over at TCU.

882
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: Definitely gonna have some commentary in this one, Dan about

883
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, Sunny Dikes may have some insider info in

884
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: this team. Sunny Dike's Sunny Dikes knows the scouting report

885
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: on this SMU squad. I don't know where to stand

886
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: on SMU. I was really high on SMU coming into

887
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: the season. I feel like I've come down off of

888
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: that a little bit. TCU to me two point favorite

889
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: in this game. I max Duggan's been good. Like I

890
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: think I'm going to TCU.

891
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to TCU. Yeah, Frogs have played

892
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: precisely no body. They played Tarleton, Okay, they played how

893
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: dare you think that over Colorado? Wow, I'm going toc

894
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: you as well. I'm going to see you because of

895
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: the mysterious factor SMU and the way they lost to

896
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Who do they lose to Maryland last week? Maryland with

897
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: all the penaltyl.

898
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: Loyland that you lose in Maryland talked about for years now?

899
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: Who has Michigan this week? I am I'm going to

900
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: missy of TCU. I'm not crazy high. I don't think

901
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: the underlying numbers mean anything with the Frogs right now

902
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: gifing those two opponents. But at a certain point you're like,

903
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: do you trust Sunny Dikes or at lastly in this

904
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: closely contested game more? And I think I trust Sunny

905
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: Dyke's a little bit more, even if the defense is

906
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: below average. I just I don't know. I'm gonna go

907
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: with the frog mystery.

908
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: This is crazy.

909
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: Just meant I know I'm under thater is my number?

910
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: Call me? Maybe?

911
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: TCU love it?

912
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: You mentioned Maryland High Noon Fox Maryland at Michigan. Michigan

913
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: favored by sixteen and a half. This line's come down,

914
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: which means people are bet Maryland. Michigan won by forty

915
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 2: one on the road last year. Dan, is there any

916
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: look ahead potential if you are Michigan with Iowa on deck?

917
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: No, No, I think because Michigan, other than the quarterback

918
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: narrative and splitting starts or whatever between JJ McCarthy and

919
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: K McNamara, they've just sort of been off radar because

920
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: they've played nobody like we should be making fun of

921
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: Michigan's early schedule. More so, Michigan would be a prime

922
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: example of a team that Vegas is saying we think

923
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: they're good, they might only be okay, they might be excellent,

924
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: And so this would be an example I think of

925
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: what could be an inflated line. Now, if Maryland did

926
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: just a little bit more on defense and limited the

927
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: penalties just a little bit more, I'd be inclined to

928
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: roll with the terps because of nobody having any idea

929
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: exactly what Michigan is or isn't at this point. They

930
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: blew out a bunch of teams they should blow out

931
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: if they're really good. But also We've seen a number

932
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: of teams do that and then face reality and win

933
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: by six or something. I think it's likelier that Michigan

934
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: covers this spread. I think it's likelier because the offense

935
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: seems more explosive, seems more explosive with the development of

936
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: offensive skill guys. The defense has stepped in nicely, we

937
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: think and we know. I think with certainty that JJ

938
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: McCarthy gives this offense a higher ceiling. So when you

939
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: see lines like this that I'm not positive on the

940
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt to me goes with the confidence

941
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: with which they're playing on offense. Granted against nobody's all

942
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: due respect Hawaii, Colorado and what Yukon Holro State, Yukon.

943
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: I think I have Michigan winning here by twenty eight.

944
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: I think I have this like forty five would be

945
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: forty five to seventeen, that even might be allot forty

946
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: two to thirteen, something in that range. I think I

947
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: have Michigan comfortable with the games in ann Arbor. Yep,

948
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: yeap comfortably winning this game. Sorry, I think I'm with you.

949
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: We agree nine for nine.

950
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: Now, Holy we could be Talia believers t levers and say, look,

951
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: he's been the starter for a while. You know, Rahem

952
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Jared is quietly one of the best eight ten wide

953
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: receivers in the country. Yeah, he's really good, good, he's

954
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: real fast, and he's really good. And so if that

955
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: tandem could terrorize Michigan, like, oh, I could see them,

956
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: you know that they're unstoppable in the way that like

957
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: a bigger version perhaps of like Aidan O'Connell Charlie Jones

958
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: were like, they just can't figure out this duo. But

959
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: the problem is how much Maryland wounds itself. So I'm

960
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: still with Michigan here. Yeah, we're Keem Jarrett. By the way,

961
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: seventeen point eight yards per catch, He's ridiculous. He's also

962
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: drum twenty one percent of the balls that I not ideal,

963
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: not ideal, ideal, But no, he is a good receiver

964
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: in some sense. We agree again nine for nine. The

965
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: real drama here is now which game wild? Which would

966
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: be the first game that we disagree on? Could it

967
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: be Duke at Kansas f s one high noon? Duke

968
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 1: get Kansas Kansas favored by now seven and a half points.

969
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: I am on Duke. I like to take a little

970
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: bit more. When they were getting nine points earlier in

971
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: the week, But that lines come down because I think

972
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: other people have seen what I saw in that is

973
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: that the Duke defense has actually been really good. Now

974
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: they're qualifiers there, I get it, But I'm going to

975
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: go with go with my my spidey sense here that

976
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: folks are really high in Kansas after a three and

977
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: oh start. Everyone's excited about the Jayhawks, and why not.

978
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: They've been in the gutter for a generation. I am

979
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: rooting for both these teams throughout the course of the season,

980
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with Duke defense. I'm gonna go

981
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: with Riley Leonard, who actually looks pretty good this season

982
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:28,959
Speaker 1: for Duke.

983
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 2: I think Kansas wins the game. But if you're giving

984
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: me a touchdown in that little hook.

985
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: You think it's going to be another crazy high scoring

986
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: back and forth cent I think there's there's possibility of that. Yeah, man,

987
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: I don't like either one of these teams with any

988
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: sort of So take the pit take the bag line.

989
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: I okay, in the interest of disagreeing with you out

990
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: don't because don't disagree for the sake of deal. I'm

991
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: not disagreeing for the safe you. But there is there

992
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: is something that I don't think you took into your calculation.

993
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: You didn't program into your team three. Only one of

994
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: these teams is infected with transitive Nebraskaitis, and that's Duke.

995
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: Right that we thought Northwestern pretty good, they'd be Nebraska

996
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: in Ireland, and then Duke snuck by Northwestern, who then

997
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: lost to Southern Illinois. So if there is a team

998
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: now West Virginia competitive against pitt who we believe to

999
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: be good, West Virginia loses to Kansas. Right, Houston, I

1000
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: think we still believe to be pretty good, not as good,

1001
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: perhaps not a top twenty five team lose to Kansas.

1002
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: So that if there is a team who's able to

1003
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: win this game by ten points thirteen points, and I

1004
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: still have a lot of questions about Kansas's defense, that right,

1005
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: totally totally correct that there is something more misleading about

1006
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: Duke's season to me than what Kansas is sees like.

1007
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Kansas went down fourteen to nothing, right, not phased, Like,

1008
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: I just feel like Kansas has had to react to

1009
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: more and they don't have the transitive Nebraska infection. So

1010
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm going Kansas here to cover the spread. Well, when

1011
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: you put it like that. God, I don't feel great

1012
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: about the duke pic. But to your point, I don't

1013
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: feel great about either of these teams.

1014
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 2: There's no also be a look the fact, the fact

1015
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: that we're talking about this game. Yeah, you know, our

1016
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: rundown of big games in week four in and of

1017
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: itself is a surprise and a great story in college football.

1018
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm excited that we get this game at all. I

1019
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: don't know what to make of either of these two teams,

1020
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: so I'm just gonna enjoy it. I think I'm inclined

1021
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: to take points here. I've been impressed by what I've

1022
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: seen on the duke side, even though Kansas has definitely

1023
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: gotten a little bit more of the hype, if you

1024
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: want to call it that in the early going. So finally,

1025
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: at long last one out of ten, we disagree.

1026
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still wobbling atop my narrative scaffolding with that pick.

1027
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: To be clear, Like I'm I'm reaching and it's not

1028
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: super it's not on solid ground. It's very shaky. But yeah,

1029
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay wobbling atop that narrative scaffolding.

1030
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: Three point thirty ESPN plus we've got James Madison, the

1031
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 2: Maddies on the road at app.

1032
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: State Block of the Week. Oh, I can't wait to

1033
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: hear this.

1034
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: My second of four four locks this week Quad Quad

1035
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: Box app State. App State, Okay, app State a much

1036
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: more proven commodity. They are much more battle tested. The

1037
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: Maddies are brand new. They're not the actual Matties, but

1038
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: that's what I'm calling them, brand new to FBS. The counterpoint,

1039
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess if you want to If you

1040
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: want a counterpoint, it's that there's got to be a

1041
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: crash at some point for App State.

1042
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean, lor baby, what what an emotional.

1043
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: Roller coaster this thing has been for app State through

1044
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: three weeks of the year.

1045
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: But I just.

1046
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: They're much more battle tested. They're much more battle tested.

1047
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: We still have not had a great look against James Madison,

1048
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: against anybody really good, of course not. And so I

1049
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: favor the team at home that's been there, that's played

1050
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 2: these games. I'm sure James Madison is there's a little

1051
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: bit of a de facto national championship thing going on

1052
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 2: with them, But I just think App States so much better.

1053
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Mountaineers here. I'm going to play the gap.

1054
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: It's in Boone, it's in Boone. Yeah, so it's not

1055
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: the de facto national championship at home. It's not a

1056
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: national championship crowd for the Dukies. I'm going, Jamie, I'm

1057
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: going against your lock and I'll tell you why. Okay,

1058
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: to get to this point. App State at two and one,

1059
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: so they jump out to the big leader against North Carolina.

1060
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: They storm back only to come up to short against

1061
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: the Tar Hills. Right, yeah, so they give up how

1062
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: many points in that game? Sixty some odd points final

1063
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: sixty three to sixty one was the final. So they

1064
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: gave up sixty three points at home. Yes, so their

1065
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: season has been giving up sixty plus going on the

1066
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: road to beat a Texas A and M team vastly

1067
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: more talented and should have beaten App State by many

1068
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: more points if they were I think better coached and

1069
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: better developed. But they win. They win that game and

1070
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: it's incredible and an inspiration whatever, and then they need

1071
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: a specialized Hail Mary strategy at home to beat Troy.

1072
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: Now we could say JMU coming up as an FCS

1073
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: team in their first season, we don't really have a

1074
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: good read on them. Their opponents haven't been anything that

1075
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: we can really take data on the Dukes with any

1076
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: sort of grain of salt. I don't know, man, It's

1077
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: just it's too tough a way to go through the season,

1078
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: needing weirdness every week. And so I am going jam

1079
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: you here. I'm going with Kurt Signetti's dudes. By the way,

1080
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: that dude's been through it. Kurt Signetti, like Alabama Elon,

1081
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: He's been everywhere. Frank Signetti's brother. When when's a bunch

1082
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: of I think there's the again winning DNA, I'm gonna

1083
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: go with it. I'm not a big believe, but there's

1084
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: something odd right now this year about the sun Belt,

1085
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be close. I think it's

1086
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: gonna be weird. But I think it's a little bit

1087
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: lor right now for app State because I don't trust

1088
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: that defense, and I do trust Jmu's offense. I think,

1089
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: so give me the Dukes here with a little bit

1090
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: of faith. Give me Jami the the top graded passer

1091
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: according to our friends at PFF. Todd Sentio quarterback of

1092
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Yes of the Maddies the Colorado State transfer. Yeah, uh again, No,

1093
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: who do they play? They played Middle Tennessee and who

1094
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: I have to pull it up here, jam you you

1095
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: can pull it up. But I know it's nobody. I

1096
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: think it's an FCS team. Yeah, it was right.

1097
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: It was Middle Tennessee and Norfolk State.

1098
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, your dude's at Norfolk. Yeah, all right, I'm getting

1099
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: pretty good at saying that word. Right Norfolk. I feel

1100
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: like I've grown.

1101
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 2: Let's move on. We got a bunch of other games

1102
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: to get through. Let's try and rattle through as we can.

1103
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 2: Three thirty Big ten Network, Minnesota minus three at Michigan State.

1104
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: Who you got that's in East Lansing? Is it not

1105
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: in East Lancing? All right? So the sleep bank not

1106
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: applicable here, No, not applicable. Minnesota's played a whole bunch

1107
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: of nobody. Have they not correct? Their numbers are incredible,

1108
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: They're really defense has been lights out. You know, Tanner

1109
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: Morgan's in his fourteenth year. I am gonna go Michigan

1110
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: State here, I am gonna go. Let's not overreact to

1111
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: it like Michigan State might be kind of borderline trash

1112
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: in certain regards. Minnesota just lost a number one receiver

1113
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: for the year, right, Chris Apman Bell, Yeah, bummer bumber

1114
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: for changes A little bit of calculus downfield, I would

1115
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: say from Minnesota. Still like Mola Abraham, I still like

1116
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: their ability and their efficiency. I'm going to say let's

1117
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: not overreact. Michigan State is still at least decent at home.

1118
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: And if Michigan State me look, the number was not

1119
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: indicative like they got worked over by Washington last week,

1120
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna say let's not go crazy and writing

1121
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: off SPARTI quite yet. I like Minnesota a good deal,

1122
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: but the fact that it's a nice Lansing I think

1123
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: there's a good bounce back potential. I'm gonna go Michigan

1124
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: State by five and a half. If there were win

1125
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: by five and a half, I can go by five

1126
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: or six.

1127
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: If there were sixty five confidence points to wager on

1128
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: games this week, I would put one wholesome point on

1129
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: this game.

1130
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, this is really tricky because

1131
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: we have nothing on Minnesota. Now, I'm gonna go Minnesota.

1132
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the elder States. Been Tanner Morgan here.

1133
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: I believe Minnesota has been the better team per the

1134
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: efficiency numbers, for whatever that is worth. You know, they

1135
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: played three bad teams. It's it's hard to get a

1136
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: true gauge on this squad, but I'm gonna go Minnesota.

1137
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: We disagree again.

1138
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: Three point thirty ABC. Here we go Notre Dame at

1139
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: North Carolina. This one has has gone back and forth

1140
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: between Notre Dame favored by a point point and a

1141
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: half to North Carolina favored by a point point and

1142
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: a half. At time of recording, Dan Carolina favored by

1143
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: a point and a half. I ask the important question,

1144
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: what happens when the stoppable force meets the immovable object. Yeah,

1145
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: the stoppable force being the Notre Dame offense, the movable

1146
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: force being the North Carolina defense. The logic here, if

1147
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: you are betting on Notre Dame, has to be that

1148
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: the defense is good enough to get a couple stops

1149
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: and that the Carolina defense essentially is not right. My

1150
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: gut when I saw the matchup, my gut was that

1151
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: there's no way Notre Dame's winning this game. But I

1152
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: have read so many different opinions on this one that

1153
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: even though Notre Dame is my team that I watch

1154
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: and read about religiously, I honestly have no idea what

1155
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: to think here. So talk me through it.

1156
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: What do you think I'm going? North Carolina here, I

1157
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: am going with God. I don't like their defense at all.

1158
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: It's so bad. It's They got a bye last week, though,

1159
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: did they not? U? Yeah, North Carolina did. Yeah, they

1160
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: played because they played Week zero Florida and m ad

1161
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: App State at Georgia State. And they've had a buy

1162
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: before this Notre Dame game.

1163
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: Three and oh, by the way, three and no North Carolina.

1164
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: Three and oh. I think they're at home with the

1165
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: better quarterback. And even if they're not able to light

1166
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: up this Notre Dame defense, which I think very few,

1167
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: if any teams are gonna be able to do, I

1168
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: still think it's a very good defense. Like if if

1169
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: they scored twenty eight points, twenty seven points, twenty three

1170
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: points is notreed Like Notre Dame's offensive line improved in

1171
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: that second half, right, they were able to open up

1172
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: lanes more often than they were against Marshall and the

1173
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: first half of the Cow game. I mean, you can

1174
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: underthink this one and say Not Dame is gonna run

1175
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: straight at North Carolina. I think that's easier to address

1176
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 1: than a totally whack pass rush. Yeah, secondary, I'm gonna

1177
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: go Notre Dame. I'm gonna go to Notre Dame.

1178
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: And here's why. Okay, I would have expected North Carolina

1179
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: to be favored by like six points in this game

1180
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: what we see out of Notre Dame.

1181
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: But you're too close.

1182
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: You're too close to it. So if you're listening to

1183
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: this at home, honestly, don't take my word on this

1184
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: game at all.

1185
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: I beg you, please do not.

1186
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: Dude, if you're going to bet this game, go on

1187
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: your own, on your own thoughts, in your own analysis,

1188
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: not mine, because I'm just I'm really really in the

1189
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: dark here. I don't know what to think. All I

1190
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: could go on is the fact that I felt like

1191
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: this line should be higher. I felt like there's no

1192
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: reason to think that Notre Dame should even be in

1193
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: this game, give it where their offense is at. But

1194
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: there were glimmers in the second half last week. It

1195
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: was a much different team in the second half of

1196
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: that game. And I don't feel like the defense that

1197
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's going up against here with North Carolina is

1198
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: going to be in any position to punish them. You know, like,

1199
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: there are definitely definitely things that have happened for Notre

1200
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: Dame on the margins against Ohio State against Marshall against

1201
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: Cal that teams with better defenses have been able to

1202
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: capitalize on. I don't know if North Carolina is that team,

1203
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: even on the road. So I'll go Notre Dame outright

1204
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: beating North Carolina, I guess going into their bye week.

1205
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't hate the pick. I really don't, because North

1206
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: Carolina's defense. It wasn't just like, well, that was a

1207
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: weird game against app State. No, They've been allowing yardage

1208
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: and points and the ability to stay on the field

1209
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: to everybody I know, they've been allotting a lot of offense.

1210
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: They've been very generous with the like their personal trainers

1211
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: are making sure you're getting in shape on offense. All right,

1212
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to go Notre Dame here as well. My man,

1213
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: my man, I am. I was all over the place.

1214
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm going Notre Dame.

1215
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: Here FS one seven pm IOWA minus seven and a

1216
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: half at Rutgers. The point spread here is one thing.

1217
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: The total is another. This is the lowest total. The

1218
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: over under is thirty five and a half, the lowest

1219
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: total that college football has seen in six seasons. If

1220
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: the point spread or excuse me, if the total closes

1221
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: at thirty four or less, it will be the lowest

1222
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: total since the year two thousand. Expectations are not high

1223
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: for the offensive output in this game. My hunch is

1224
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: you can already pencil in a little divorjac action when

1225
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: we record on Sunday. Yeah, let me say again what

1226
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: everybody needs to hear. I said it yesterday, going to

1227
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: say it again. A lot of folks are gonna be

1228
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: pulling for Rutgers here. You want Rutgers to win.

1229
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

1230
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: Rutgers has been a great story. It's important we live

1231
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 2: in reality and not fantasyland. Okay, Rutgers is not going

1232
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: to move the ball on Iowa at all. I'm not

1233
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: sure Iowa can move it on Rutgers. We've seen their offense,

1234
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: all right. I'm not saying Iowa is like this, this behemoth.

1235
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: They're very good on defense. Rutgers is not a good

1236
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: offense at all. Do not go into this game thinking

1237
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: that Rutgers is going to suddenly be good on offense.

1238
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: They're gonna be able to move the ball against or

1239
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: decent or anything. They're not gonna be able to move

1240
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: the ball against Iowa. Rutgers is not scoring more than

1241
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: ten points. I'd be surprised if they score more than six.

1242
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: So for that reason, I'm out on Rutgers. I'm in

1243
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: on Iowa minus whatever. Here against Rutgers on the road

1244
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: seven and a half, seven and half.

1245
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: Give me Iowa in on Iowa minus whatever. I am on.

1246
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: I might isolate that clip.

1247
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: Iowa minus whatever.

1248
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: Baby, everything you said is very sound, Rutgers luck of

1249
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: the week.

1250
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 2: What do you really want me to play this?

1251
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: Sound? Yeah? Play play a play play luck of the week.

1252
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah? Why is the thing? Take the

1253
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: home dog in a slog? It rhymes it's great. Why

1254
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: would you side with anything Iowa if this game is

1255
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: If you're convinced this game is going to be some

1256
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 1: kind of defensive slog, I'm not you. Oh you think

1257
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: Iowa was going to comfortable like mounted offense on the

1258
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: road against a good defense. I mean, we're a decent defense.

1259
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't think Rutgers are scoring more than, like I said,

1260
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: ten points. But even if Iowa goes out there and

1261
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: they score twenty four points, okay, that doesn't I don't

1262
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 2: think that becomes a defensive slog. That's just Iowa football.

1263
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: That would still get you to around that point total

1264
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: thirty four to thirty five points and Iowa would cover comfortably.

1265
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: What the hell's Iowa doing to score points against a

1266
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: decent defense? Still beat up?

1267
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: We finally find something we disagree on.

1268
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm just not in on.

1269
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Rutgers is a good story, don't get me wrong,

1270
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying I'm not pulling for him in

1271
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: this game, but.

1272
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: I just don't see it.

1273
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how they're moving the ball, how they're winning,

1274
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: how they're even get within seven and a half.

1275
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: If if Iowa had an average offense, I know we're

1276
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: living in fantasyland when I say that they would have

1277
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: beaten Nevada by seventy Yeah, twenty three, twenty three to nothing.

1278
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: That was file Sport three lightning. Nicolhead delays later. I

1279
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: just think that is really bad, and Savada is really bad.

1280
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: Actually they're very bad. I am just again. If Rutgers

1281
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: is able to mount some kind of sloggy defense, I

1282
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: think it's just gonna be like thirteen to ten. So

1283
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Speaker 1: I like the under a good deal. I wish it

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: were there were a monsoon that would really sell it

1285
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: for me. But it's going to be like seventy and clear.

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Speaker 1: It's fine.

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01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: This the overrunner would be twenty.

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, brutal, all right, we disagree, go with the dog

1289
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: in a slog, Home, Dog in a slog.

1290
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Speaker 2: Eight PM on Fox, Kansas State at Oklahoma, Oklahoma favored

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: by thirteen. Dan, there was a hot minute where I

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: think we both would have been into K State after

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Speaker 2: what we saw from Oklahoma last week, after what we

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01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: saw from Kansas State last week, after what we've seen

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01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: from K State's offense so far this season, led by

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Speaker 2: one Adrian Martinez.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm officially off the K State bandwagon. Give me

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma case State might be in the process of making

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: some people some money, like the Getton might be really

1300
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: good right now and betting against k bette against them, right, yeah, yes, yes, yes,

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01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: the Getton might be really good. That Vegas is not

1302
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: fully locked in on how disastrous this offense may be

1303
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: at times, and against a team like Oklahoma getting thirteen,

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Speaker 1: giving thirteen yep, yeah, I think Oklahoma wins this game

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: by three touchdowns. I thought about lock of the Week here,

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't do it, and I like

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01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: K State's defense, which is actually what gave me pause.

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: Not you know that that offense could get better. Or

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Speaker 1: something like that, but that the defense is good enough

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: to keep this relatively low scoring. But no, I don't.

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01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm not in on k State. I think there might

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Speaker 1: be the Getton might be good betting against Kansas State right.

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Speaker 2: Now nine thirty pack twelve Network USC minus six and

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Speaker 2: a half, seven points on the road at Oregon State, Dan,

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm on Oregon State here, Okay, I'm on Oregon State here.

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01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: This line opened last Sunday, and I saw at seven,

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Speaker 2: and I grabbed it at seven right away because I

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Speaker 2: expected that there would be a lot of people hitting

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Speaker 2: Oregon State, that the line would go down. It depends

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Speaker 2: where you look. It hasn't gone down as much as

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01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 2: I expected, but in many places right now at six

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Speaker 2: and a half. So the logic here is, I don't

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: trust SC's defense. Their offense is unstoppable. I don't think

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01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: Oregon State can stop them.

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01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even go that far. I think their offense

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Speaker 1: is really good. I wouldn't go as far as unstoppable.

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, even if their offense is really good, I don't

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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: really have much faith in Oregon State to stop them.

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01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: I also don't have much faith in USC's defense to

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: stop Oregon State's offense. My rule of thumb, if we

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: are going based on gut, if we're going based on

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: core beliefs and principles, here on supposition Saturday, take a

1333
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: touchdown in a shootout, I think a lot of points.

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01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: Oregon State at home weird plays to play. I'm curious

1335
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: to see what SC does away from home in a

1336
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: situation like this against what I believe is a pretty

1337
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: good pack twelve team. So I'm just gonna take the

1338
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 2: points at home.

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: Another instance, by the way, of some kind a blood

1340
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: tour right with you know Texas going on the road

1341
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: to Texas Tech and now us C going on the road.

1342
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: This is late night the blood tour. It's like a

1343
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: weird reverse blood tour. I don't like Oregon State's defense.

1344
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't like that Oregon State might be down its

1345
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: best pass catching weapon in Luke Musgrave their tight end.

1346
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: I don't like that they don't kick all that well.

1347
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't like their defense. I don't like there are

1348
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: too many things right now for me to feel positive

1349
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: that this is a great opportunity for Oregon State to

1350
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: upset us.

1351
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 2: But isn't that what Oregon State does. Isn't that the

1352
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: sense I mean false security that you get when you

1353
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: play Oregon State, but.

1354
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: It's also people talking themselves into Oregon State for the

1355
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: sake of talking themselves into Oregon States.

1356
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 2: Bill Connolly's got this on a neutral field. USC minus three, Okay.

1357
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the data we have on the Beaves

1358
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: is pretty good because they've played both and beaten both

1359
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: Fresno State and Boys State. Now common opponent, USC was

1360
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: relatively close. Jakner goes down different complexion of that game.

1361
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: I understand all that. I think USC wins this game

1362
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: by thirteen. I really searched for reasons I could see that.

1363
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: I search for reasons I think it'll be. It's one

1364
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: of those things where I think the beams can only

1365
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: hang for so long. I don't like the USC defense,

1366
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't know if it's Oregon State's

1367
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: defense that is good enough to get key stops on

1368
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: a third and seven. Do they have that linebacker who

1369
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: can meet Caleb Williams at the edge, Those little things

1370
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: that talent differential to me is the concern. So I'm

1371
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: going USC for it to be close, but eventually they cover.

1372
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: Maybe it's some sort of backdoor cover. Maybe whatever front

1373
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: door cover. I guess thank you, sorry dog goes. Yeah, yeah,

1374
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm going USC here. I really searched. I really searched,

1375
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: And I hate that's in the situation like Corvallis at night,

1376
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: nobody's be able to watch this game on the PAC

1377
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: twelve network. I get all that. Hey, I'm going I'm

1378
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: going Trojans.

1379
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: And last game on Saturday that we're going to cover

1380
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 2: ten thirty ESPN Utah minus fourteen on the road at

1381
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: Arizona State.

1382
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: Bluck of the week.

1383
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: You gotta be kidding me with this swine right, fourteen

1384
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 2: Utah is favored by fourteen.

1385
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidded me. That's it. I think I

1386
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: think they destroy them.

1387
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I think they kill Arizona State.

1388
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: Well, to be clear, because there is that rumor, there

1389
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 1: is that allegation that it was easy to get information

1390
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: on ASU from people within the team in the athletic

1391
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: department because they were trying to submarine herm Edwards like

1392
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: a waiting situation, right, that maybe that there isn't as

1393
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: much information readily available out there. I don't think it matters.

1394
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: I think Utah wins this game thirty eight to seven.

1395
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: I think Utah is.

1396
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: Going to Hammer, Arizona State. All right, Thursday, real quick?

1397
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: Here two other games quickly Thursday seven thirty ESPN West

1398
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 2: Virginia minus point and a half on the road at

1399
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech or minus minus three, minus point a half.

1400
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 2: West Virginia is a small favorite on the road.

1401
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: I guess West Virginia. I guess I'm going Virginia Tech. Okay,

1402
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: and Stanford Washington anything there, late late, late, late game.

1403
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: I'd probably go points. I don't know. Give me the

1404
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: playtown spot for Washington. I don't think Stanford's good. I'm

1405
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: going to Washington, though. I think they went by a

1406
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns. Here's my other walk by the way

1407
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: look of the week.

1408
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: Friday at seven o'clock Virginia at Syracuse. You talked about

1409
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: making a lot of money betting against k State. Yeah,

1410
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 2: how about making a lot of money betting against Virginia.

1411
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: Virginia. It's weirdly bad who offense? Yeah, really bad? They're

1412
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: really bad.

1413
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 2: I am I am out on Virginia. I am fully

1414
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 2: in on Garrett Shredder Syracuse minus ten. My fourth lock

1415
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 2: of the.

1416
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: Week letdown spot for QS, letdown spot for the QS. No, No,

1417
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: they're better, They're just better. Virginia weirdly improves on defense

1418
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: and gets worse on offense, returning quarterback, returning good receivers.

1419
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm that's a stay away from me. But

1420
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: if I had to make a pick, I guess i'd

1421
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: go Cues. So I got Dan.

1422
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: That was a meaty slate of Yeah, week four games,

1423
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: maybe no obvious headliners, but those are the weeks that

1424
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: get you here. On on supposition Saturday, on what was yours?

1425
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: Cyber time shouts, serb time, Serpentine Saturday, serpent Time Saturday. Yeah,

1426
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: drop that big stanky Drummond five real quick and we'll

1427
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: run through this quivering queasy uh. Columbia Georgetown Hornets nest

1428
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: Field Hornets nest That is multi sport field. Give me

1429
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: the hoyas tie your read. They changed the name of

1430
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: multi sport field. Did you see somebody tweeted us about that.

1431
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: I never want to pay attention to those tweets.

1432
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: We're it's always in forever multi sport field. We go

1433
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: Georgetown at home. That's just the way it goes. One pm,

1434
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 2: Lafayette at Penn.

1435
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: You go on.

1436
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, in my backyard, are going Quaker, I'm going Quakers.

1437
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: I never picked laugh. Yet I'm going yetis believe.

1438
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 2: One pm holy Cross across Saders won a couple of

1439
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: weeks ago on that Hail Mary against Buffalo on the

1440
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: road at Colgate. Gator is pretty good this year too.

1441
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 2: This is like the featured matchup in the pat League

1442
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: this week.

1443
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: Give me the Gators. Holy Cross by four touchdowns. Two pm.

1444
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 2: Fordham on the road at Ohio. Fordham wants nothing to

1445
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: do with one of the brothers O Rourke.

1446
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: But I like that you out of the O. It's

1447
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: just rock. Yeah, I think it's just rock. Give me Ohio,

1448
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: give me the Bobcats. Here the O is for Ohio.

1449
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: I guess I am going Fordham. Here the Rams, New

1450
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: York's Mountry team. Give me Fordham and finally Lehigh Princeton tie.

1451
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: You're asking me, you know I'm asking you. You know

1452
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: I go Princeton. You're going Tigers. I'm going Princeton as well.

1453
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: Alrighty whoo, there you go.

1454
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:05,280
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Speaker 1: B Let's check it out. Do it?

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Speaker 2: Daniel, Uh.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's all we have for this week. That's

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Speaker 1: all I have, though. I did just find out my

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Speaker 1: wife is going to be out of town. When Carly

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Speaker 1: Ray Jebson is I know, just me solo?

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Speaker 2: So Hey, he's an old man with air plugs, earplugs.

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Speaker 2: What's he do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I'm not writing anything off. I can find somebody.

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Speaker 1: You can find somebody to go with you. Hey, so

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Speaker 1: do you want to see Carly rag Japson with me

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Speaker 1: this Saturday, and I'll bring the air plugs. Yeah, amazing, amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's seventy five dollars plus fees and you go to

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Speaker 2: see Carly Ray Japson with me Dan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Solid Verbolive dot com is where you can come see

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Speaker 2: us live. October the seventh College Football The Game Show

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Speaker 2: going to be fun in New York City. We appreciate

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Speaker 2: everybody bearing with us here, long show, but we're excited

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Speaker 2: for week four. In the meantime, For that guy over there,

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Speaker 2: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself tie Hold the Brand,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging in.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you soon. Stay solid, Peace,