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Speaker 1: Steve Schmid here, Welcome to this edition of The Warning.

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Speaker 1: We're having a conversation today with Steven Beschloss. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get right into it. I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, for me, when I start my day reading,

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Speaker 1: I always read Stephen at his Wonderful Substack. I recommend

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Speaker 1: it to all of you that you ought to subscribe

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Speaker 1: to it. I know that as I sit and I

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Speaker 1: watch a lot of the commentary on a lot of

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Speaker 1: the cable news channels that you know, I approach the

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Speaker 1: edge of aneurism at least several times a day watching

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Speaker 1: watching it, all of it, all of it play out.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's why it's so refreshing to be

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Speaker 1: able to read to hear from Steven. And I just

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Speaker 1: want to start out the conversation by laying out, you know,

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Speaker 1: something personal that that drove me crazy over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. You know, I have tried to use

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Speaker 1: language precisely over the last ten years. I think English

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Speaker 1: is a great language. It's the it's it has a

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Speaker 1: lot of words that you can use descriptively to uh

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Speaker 1: paint pictures. And I've done that to the best of

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Speaker 1: my ability about what's coming. But one of the words

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Speaker 1: I've used is fascist, and there's great discomfort in the

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Speaker 1: society with the use of the word, even though he

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Speaker 1: cleared the line a long time ago. And Chris Christie

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Speaker 1: it is book uh some time ago, not this last book,

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Speaker 1: but the book before that, when he was still very

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Speaker 1: much hail Trump, uh, criticize me right as one of

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Speaker 1: these crazy people in the Republican Party right who had

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Speaker 1: become deranged, right with this animosity and irrational hatred of Trump,

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Speaker 1: that we were that what we were observing, that what

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Speaker 1: we were seeing was not legitimate, it was not historical,

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Speaker 1: in fact, that it wasn't rational, right, that anyone who

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Speaker 1: saw this was crazy. And that's and that's the argument,

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Speaker 1: and it goes on today.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's that if you observe this Madison Square Garden event

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Speaker 1: and you say, wow, that's fascistic, right, the response to

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Speaker 1: it isn't that, no, that's not fascism. It's that you

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Speaker 1: are observing it is hate speech, or you're observing it

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Speaker 1: as a sign of derangement or a broken temperament. And

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to have the conversation because going into Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I was under no illusions about what was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: what it was going to be, what I was going

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Speaker 1: to see, But nevertheless, right seeing it right exceeded expectations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was, it was, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: But what what did we see? And tell me, tell

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Speaker 1: me if you think I'm crazy? No, because I saw

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Speaker 1: a fascist rally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you know, you know, I'm one of those

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Speaker 2: people who said, boy, it sure does seem like they're

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Speaker 2: trying to reference the Nazi rally of nineteen thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: And I said it before it happened, not really knowing exactly,

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Speaker 2: you know, what they might be plastering on the walls

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Speaker 2: or exactly what was going to happen. And you're right,

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Speaker 2: I mean the sort of parade of bigotry and hate

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Speaker 2: and very unbridled, I mean, exposed rather nakedly. And people

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Speaker 2: have picked up on you know, the you know where

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Speaker 2: to Rico is garbage as one expression that surely is

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Speaker 2: a reason for you know, many thousands of Puerto Ricans

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Speaker 2: to rethink their vote come Tuesday or for that matter, today.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're raising a really important thing. If

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Speaker 2: we go back for a moment, Uh, you know, you

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Speaker 2: have the historical context, You've made a point I think

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Speaker 2: in a lot of your excellent writing to to look

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Speaker 2: at historical precedents to try to assess what's happening now

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Speaker 2: and what's the reason. I think in part that we've

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Speaker 2: reached this place that we are is because you know,

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Speaker 2: so many, so many people in the media and frankly

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Speaker 2: otherwise have refused to look at things as nakedly and

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Speaker 2: articulate what's going on as vividly as possible. And you

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Speaker 2: know that has meant, you know, let's go back over

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Speaker 2: you know, nine or ten years saying that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: not that he just claimed something or that it was

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Speaker 2: possible falsehood, but calling lies lies. You know, it took

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Speaker 2: the media a very long time to get to the

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Speaker 2: point of doing that. You know, I would describe myself

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Speaker 2: concrete reasons to to use that kind of language. But

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Speaker 2: I think what Trump's particular gift is that he knows

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Speaker 2: how to exploit people's weaknesses, and one of the weaknesses

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Speaker 2: People want to be careful about saying harsh things. And

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Speaker 2: so you know, he's used that, he's exploited that reluctance,

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Speaker 2: maybe I think one of the most fascinating things about

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Speaker 2: Sunday was not just the parade of Hayden bigotry, which

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Speaker 2: more naked than we might have anticipated, sort of given

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Speaker 2: the proximity to November fifth. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: that I thought was interesting is that Trump is now

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Speaker 2: trying to suggest, and he did even in those remarks

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Speaker 2: that day, that he's interested in being president for all Americans,

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Speaker 2: or that he's hopeful about the future of the country.

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Speaker 2: That he started to try to use language and ideas

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Speaker 2: that have come directly from from the Kamala Harris campaign,

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Speaker 2: you know, as if that provides you know, those people

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Speaker 2: indications that well, he's not really all that bad.

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Speaker 1: So I I gave a talk last night in in

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Speaker 1: going to happen? You know, I always always refer to

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Speaker 1: them to John McCain's favorite quote, quoting Chairman mao is

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Speaker 1: as as as he would uh as he would claim

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Speaker 1: that it's always darkest before it's completely black. But but

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Speaker 1: but I'm putting that much better now, go ahead putting

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Speaker 1: putting that aside. There is a rhythm of election night,

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Speaker 1: right that you have the networks and you have a

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Speaker 1: associated press, you have the campaign data counters, and you're

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Speaker 1: going through uh a math exercise right across thousands of

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Speaker 1: it was always an interesting thing to watch in my

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Speaker 1: to watch some people who have some extraordinary mathematical ability

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Speaker 1: the moment is there is they're making these extrapolations, you'll

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Speaker 1: get a sense, you know, very early in the evening

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Speaker 1: body language wise, who's who's winning and whatever. But I

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Speaker 1: but but as you look ahead, and let's let's premise

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm optimistic.

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Speaker 1: And he walks out at ten five pm and says,

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Speaker 2: Do you think it'll really take until ten forty five?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know that the plan is to deny

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Speaker 2: plans to to say that that he won, you know,

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Speaker 2: favor him. So I wonder whether it'll take that long

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Speaker 2: for him to Let's break.

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Speaker 1: It so like, let's break it down, right. So he

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Speaker 1: comes out and he says, I want maybe he comes

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Speaker 1: out before anyone is called it yet, right, I want

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Speaker 1: we know that Elon Musk's acts will be a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: really profound implications for that. There's a question of what

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Speaker 1: if you go back to January sixth, right there's this

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Speaker 1: I believe right that when he goes out there, there's

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Speaker 1: moment of negative buoyancy right where you're just floating. There's

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Speaker 1: to be, are we doing this again? Are we following

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Speaker 1: that's that's gonna play out like on election night, like

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Speaker 1: how do you see that? How do you see that?

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Speaker 1: That kind of playing out. And then I was having

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Speaker 1: this conversation the other day with someone and I said, really,

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Speaker 1: the thing that no one has ever told Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: the words he's never heard in his life, which are

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Speaker 1: important words to hear, are the words no. And so

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Speaker 1: I will go to my deathbed believing that the entire

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Speaker 1: we're on the same track that somebody's going to have

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Speaker 1: to hear no. Ever in the political movement that he's built,

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Speaker 1: that we basically have to burn the Constitution to satisfy

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's an optimism or an idealism

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Speaker 2: Party where we have seen, you know, essentially absolute spinelessness.

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Speaker 2: You know, now for years, we've seen in recent days,

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, you know, sort of confirming that there's some

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Speaker 2: kind of quote unquote secret that he and Trump are hatching,

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Speaker 2: which presumably relates to not counting or not certifying votes,

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Speaker 2: which you know kind of is in trouble assuming that

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Speaker 2: January third, the Democrats take back the majority. You know

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Speaker 2: that said, you know, we also see Trump already is

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Speaker 2: trying to highlight all of the cheating that's already going

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Speaker 2: on in Pennsylvania, for example. You know that that's happened

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Speaker 2: surely amplified by mister Musk and others. So you know,

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Speaker 2: once again, they're trying to create a climate where we

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Speaker 2: can't trust what the outcome is before we even get

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Speaker 2: is why you know, the know that you're seeking. We

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Speaker 2: haven't we haven't any indication that there will be anybody

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Speaker 2: in a potential Trump second administration who would serve the

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Speaker 2: role of saying no, which is why this second version

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Speaker 2: of this is even more frightening than what we've already

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Speaker 2: come out, and he's going to come out early maybe

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Speaker 2: and saying you know, I won, and and you know,

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Speaker 2: if you experience you know, these media people telling you

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Speaker 2: that she won, don't trust them. So that's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I think that day, that that night, and you know, look,

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm surely I've been saying again and again

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Speaker 2: and again, the need for an overwhelming victory is so clear.

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Speaker 2: The closer it is, the more doubt people will have,

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Speaker 2: the easier it will be for him to make that

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Speaker 2: reason to be afraid, gives me confidence that whatever way

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Speaker 2: this plays out, that the level of resistance and you know,

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Speaker 2: in essence speaking truth to power is going to be

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Speaker 2: strong and reliable and meaningful.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever sit back in I do like and

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of circumspection about this,

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Speaker 1: like right now. But we got here to this place.

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Speaker 1: How can it be?

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Speaker 2: It still is stunning.

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Speaker 1: That the country looks out at the Democratic Party. It

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Speaker 1: comes out basically, as we sit here five days out

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Speaker 1: on the fifty to fifty proposition, right, well, what has

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Speaker 1: gone off the rails in the Democratic Party that they

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Speaker 1: have not sealed the deal with this guy. It's something yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it might be. You know, look again, we're back

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Speaker 1: to it. If we're just talking about, you know, what

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Speaker 1: does the American electorate think. You know, I'm clinging to

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Speaker 1: the notion that it might be a more overwhelming victory

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Speaker 1: than the polls are saying so far. I'm optimistic still

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Speaker 1: about that. Maybe that's my idealistic belief in the American people,

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Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's based on you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of data that goes beyond the polling itself, in

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Speaker 1: terms of UH levels of enthusiasm, the favorability ratings of

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Speaker 1: Harrison Walls, the deeply unfavorable ratings. I mean it's plus

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Speaker 1: five essentially for Harrison Walls, it's you know, minus seventeen

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Speaker 1: minus eighteen for for Trump and Vance.

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Speaker 2: People don't like them. You know, those things are meaningful.

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Speaker 2: I think the cultural momentum is on their side. You know,

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Speaker 2: the stupid things that Trump has done with well, just

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Speaker 2: the last day, the you know, the garbage truck stunt

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Speaker 2: that was I don't know what he thought it was

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Speaker 2: supposed to do, but it's a real self owned for

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Speaker 2: the guy who's called America a garbage can, the guy

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Speaker 2: who's called everyone around the you know, Harris absolute garbage.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're we're you know, it's hard to believe

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Speaker 2: that it could be as close as it might be.

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Speaker 2: But I think there's uh, you know that that ground

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Speaker 2: swell is going to be you know, you know, is

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Speaker 2: going to be meaningful. And maybe I lost the ultimately

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Speaker 2: the question after.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you one of the things we're

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Speaker 1: definitely watching is the is the total collapse of the

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Speaker 1: credibility of news and everything and that Yeah, I I think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I find the coverage as a general

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Speaker 1: proposition to be corrupted appalling. Yeah, just just appalling. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's there's not there's not a word for it. Do

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Speaker 1: you how do you see that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I mean, you know, you know, whether it's

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Speaker 2: open complicity or whether it's just the traditions of journalism

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Speaker 2: where you treat impartiality as the highest value. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's that's been a terrible danger in a period where

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Speaker 2: you know, one one side are essentially arsonists setting a

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Speaker 2: house on buyer and the other are you know, trying

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Speaker 2: to you know, keep the keep the house functioning. You know,

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Speaker 2: do you do you say these two things are equal,

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Speaker 2: and you simply cover both sides. So it's, you know one,

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Speaker 2: it's this you know, impartiality or as it's played out,

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Speaker 2: the sort of both sides ism, where you treat these

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Speaker 2: two equal. I think it's also this this tendency to

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Speaker 2: just sort of say what happened, uh, and think that

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Speaker 2: you're doing the job right. So Trump can lie through

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Speaker 2: his teeth and rather than providing a clear picture of

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Speaker 2: why he's lying and why that's not reliable. I know,

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Speaker 2: too many times he just gets to say what he

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Speaker 2: wants to say without pushback. And I think the you know,

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Speaker 2: the related thing is that the media as a as

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Speaker 2: a whole has failed to be able to describe the urgency,

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Speaker 2: the emergency, the stakes of things right and the need

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Speaker 2: to be able to do that again and again and again.

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Speaker 2: So you know, not don't just chronicle what happened, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't just sort of tell us what both sides think,

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Speaker 2: tell us what it means, tell us what the context is.

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Speaker 2: You know, speak truth to power, because you know that's

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Speaker 2: the responsibility and understand that that journalists, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: every single journalist needs to be and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: use this phrase, every single journalist needs to be and

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Speaker 2: has needed to be a pro democracy advocate that you know,

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Speaker 2: they live in a democratic society. They have a responsibility,

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Speaker 2: i think, to uphold that society. So if it's being undermined, destroyed,

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Speaker 2: put in danger, at risk, you know that there's a

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Speaker 2: responsibility that goes along with that, and it's been abdicated,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the traditions of the profession have assisted that,

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Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's I think part of why

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Speaker 2: we're in this problem.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that just leaves me like slack jaw,

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Speaker 1: crazy eyed watching is you know, for example, the other

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Speaker 1: day on CNN the Mehdi Hassan incident on the Abby

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Speaker 1: Phillips Show, which has got a lot of attention, where

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Speaker 1: the whack job Maggie guest and he is right, he

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Speaker 1: wrote for neo Nazi Richard Spencer, he's a white nationalist.

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Speaker 2: Why they put him on the show.

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Speaker 1: Right, And so the show curates these nutjobs, selects them,

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Speaker 1: harvests them, recruits them, turns them loose and then when

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Speaker 1: you know, the monkey throws its feces right there, My god,

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Speaker 1: and abby looking earnestly into the camera. There's a line

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Speaker 1: on this show, and it's just all and I have

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Speaker 1: this insatiable curiosity city about how it came to be

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Speaker 1: that news has evolved that you watch something unfold on

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Speaker 1: live TV like Trump threatening to imprison the population, roll

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Speaker 1: out the military, seek vengeance, retribution and revenge in clear

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Speaker 1: English language, and then the telling us right, it turns

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Speaker 1: to Scott Jennings right and says, well, what did he mean?

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Speaker 1: Who tells you he didn't mean it right? And that

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Speaker 1: you didn't just hear what you heard?

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Speaker 2: And then don't believe your ears, don't believe your eyes.

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Speaker 1: That just that that you know half the people telling

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Speaker 1: you that you didn't just hear what you just heard,

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Speaker 1: and that is the structure of balance. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: that's balance in watching it. And I don't think right

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Speaker 1: from a causation perspective, right, Like when you look at

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Speaker 1: the ratings collapse, right, then it's difficult to comprehend that

542
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Speaker 1: it's unwatchable. Yeah, I'd rather right. I have to watch

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Speaker 1: a little bit of it right every every day, just

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Speaker 1: because to stay oriented. But esthetically it makes you want

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Speaker 1: to jam your head through the wall.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm back to you know, first principles. You know,

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Speaker 2: one of the first principles should be of any media

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Speaker 2: organization is don't platform liars, right, don't give them the

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Speaker 2: platform to spread their misinformation and disinform. Don't do it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I know it's hard because again, the

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Speaker 2: Republican candidate for president is a pathological liar and essentially

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Speaker 2: lies every time he opens his mouth. You know, the

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Speaker 2: decisions made like, if we have an opportunity, we're going

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Speaker 2: to put him on and maybe it's a you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a sad easy road from there to say that

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Speaker 2: you you know, you put on all of the others

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Speaker 2: and we can make a long list. He'll come on

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Speaker 2: these shows and say anything and deny that that Trump

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Speaker 2: really meant what he said when we you know, we

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Speaker 2: heard it with our own ears. You know, these are

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there is going to be whatever

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Speaker 2: way this, there's going to be a kind of reckoning

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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump wins. I'll say it again, I don't

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Speaker 2: think he will, but there's going to be a kind

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Speaker 2: of reckoning if he wins, which is that our free press,

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Speaker 2: which has failed in this period, is going to to

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Speaker 2: suffer the consequence of their failure. I also think that

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Speaker 2: there's a needs to be a reckoning in any case

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Speaker 2: to ask the hard questions about whether the structure of

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Speaker 2: journalism and the practices that have been built in, assuming

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Speaker 2: that you have legitimate leaders in the country who are

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Speaker 2: committed to the democratic system, the democratic process, whether the

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Speaker 2: system of journalism, you know, needs to fundamentally change to

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Speaker 2: address the world we live in.

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Speaker 1: How do you initiate a public debate right where you

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Speaker 1: step back and you say, for example, the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: this is this is my favorite newspaper has been right

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Speaker 1: for political I've always preferred the political coverage to the

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Speaker 1: New York Times of a I always been partial to it.

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Speaker 1: I think under when Marty Barron was was the editor

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Speaker 1: of this paper, I think it's I think it was

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Speaker 1: the best newspaper of my lifetime and one of pre

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Speaker 1: eminent importance because it covers what's happening in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 2: And I think that and I can add I think

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Speaker 2: they've had the more reliable coverage of the you know,

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Speaker 2: of the Trump administration and saying vividly, you know, thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand plus lies in all the different ways of accurately

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Speaker 2: depicting what's been happening.

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Speaker 1: I was in my in my consulting career. I did

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Speaker 1: all the deflay Gate stuff for Tom Brady, and so

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Speaker 1: you get a little bit familiar with these organizations, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, and when I've worked for different sports teams. Right,

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Speaker 1: So the Patriot Organization, the Yankee Organization, right, like, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a it's a winning ethos. Right,

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Speaker 1: you have a you have a you have a culture,

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Speaker 1: right that is that's pre eminent. That so when you

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Speaker 1: walk in and you're twenty five, twenty six and you

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Speaker 1: are reporting for your first day at the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: it's epic and it's an epic place right where the.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for God's sake, that's where Woodward and Bernstein

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Speaker 2: you know, did what they did, right, I mean, every

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Speaker 2: every young journalist thinks about it.

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Speaker 1: In it affirms the genius of the founders with the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment. Right, that that a counterbalance. So a non

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Speaker 1: governmental entity can have the force and power, but but

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Speaker 1: it requires fortitude, encourage. And so there's this improbable human being,

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Speaker 1: this lady and this editor who do extraordinary things together

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Speaker 1: and play this enormous role for the good of the country,

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Speaker 1: for the public interest integrity. So you have one of

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch shady editors who beyond any reasonable doubt, was

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Speaker 1: involved in the deletion of millions of emails. No irony Right,

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, Right, there's one newspaper where you shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been able to get a jump if you're involved in

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Speaker 1: the deletion of the tapes. It's that one. Yeah, so bezos,

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Speaker 1: it as clear a quid pro quo, fear based not

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Speaker 1: going to indoors, proving once again right the adage that

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Speaker 1: trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets. The Post,

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Speaker 1: which according to other news media reports, picked up four

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Speaker 1: thousand subscribers in the first five months of this year,

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Speaker 1: four thousand less.

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Speaker 2: Than the warning, unbelievable, less than the warning.

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Speaker 1: Four thousand subscribers, has lost two hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: in counting, which would be a replacement rate of thirty

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Speaker 1: years organically for the business. This guy have to sell

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Speaker 1: this paper. I mean he's the richest guy in the world.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do anything. But can he credibly

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Speaker 1: operate this paper going forward? Because I I was asked

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Speaker 1: this question last night in a in a room full

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Speaker 1: of consultants and investors. And my answer was not he

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Speaker 1: hit the boom button. If you jump off the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: floor of the building, you're gonna die. He killed it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, look, if I mean asked the question

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Speaker 2: about like the you know, the complicity or the failure

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Speaker 2: of the media in this period, I mean, look, part

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Speaker 2: of the thing is that that's happened with the backdrop

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Speaker 2: of you know, the journalism newspapers in terrible trouble.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, many of them folding less and less reliable coverage,

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Speaker 2: you know, beyond the national papers, you know, in key

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Speaker 2: markets around the country. So you don't have the accountability

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Speaker 2: that that communities around the country need because there's no

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Speaker 2: longer reliable local newspapers in many markets, which is you know,

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Speaker 2: the environment where the billionaires have come in to become

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Speaker 2: the owners.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And look, when Bezos took over, it was like he

647
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Speaker 2: came men to save the Washington Post. And and so

648
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Speaker 2: there was exactly this notion that the billionaire is not

649
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Speaker 2: endangered by the whims of the you know, the politics,

650
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Speaker 2: because you know, the billionaire has the resources the bulwark

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Speaker 2: against all of that. And you know that's been obviously

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Speaker 2: blied that you know that the endorsement was something that

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Speaker 2: he so feared, uh, and the blowback that would come

654
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Speaker 2: from that is something that he's so feared that he

655
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Speaker 2: was willing to put this all at risk. You know. Look,

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Speaker 2: I mean the endorsement itself wouldn't have made much difference,

657
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Speaker 2: but but the fear of endorsing that makes a difference.

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Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, a quarter of a million

659
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Speaker 2: people unsubscribing is a you know, is a catastrophe. And

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Speaker 2: you know, look, it's not just you know, lost revenue

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Speaker 2: because Jeff Bezos doesn't need it, but it is a

662
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Speaker 2: catastrophe because there are hundreds of really talented reporters, journalists

663
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Speaker 2: who are actually trying to do good work. And you know,

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Speaker 2: this failure, of this fear based failure of Bezos puts

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Speaker 2: their work in danger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, Right for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean you know, does he need does he can

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Speaker 2: he survive it? Well? Look, I mean I mean he

669
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Speaker 2: can he can stick around? Does he does he want to?

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Speaker 2: What's the benefit person?

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Speaker 1: I guess so what I was let me let me

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Speaker 1: ask the question. I guess I don't see a way

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Speaker 1: that a Bezos led Washington Post can recover its integrity.

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Speaker 1: And I don't see how the paper gets out of

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Speaker 1: the moment because it has a it has a massive

676
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Speaker 1: integrity crisis, right as a massive it is a massive

677
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Speaker 1: values crisis. I mean the point is right if they

678
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Speaker 1: editorialized about something today, right, So there's such intellectual incongruence

679
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Speaker 1: to it, like so you're your educate, your you have

680
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Speaker 1: to the paper for whatever reason, see some moral necessity

681
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Speaker 1: the weigh in about the construction of the of the

682
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Speaker 1: New Mall and Rock Creek, but not the fascist take

683
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Speaker 1: over the government in the United States. And you're the

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Speaker 1: paper in Washington, d C. And then I don't know

685
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Speaker 1: if you've seen it, but I think one of the

686
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Speaker 1: greatest editorials I've ever read, and I reprinted in full

687
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Speaker 1: today was the Las Vegas Son.

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Speaker 2: I did see it. Yeah, you know, it can encourage.

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Speaker 1: The storial staff. This is what this is is what

690
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Speaker 1: an editorial is supposed to be, right, It's a statement

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Speaker 1: of moral clarity on behalf of an institution that has

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Speaker 1: the legal authority, under God given right to speak truth

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Speaker 1: to power and offend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And and and acknowledge that there's a a

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Speaker 2: mental maybe a physical and mental collapse of this Republican

696
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Speaker 2: candid date. And you know, and it ought to be

697
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Speaker 2: stated so right, So to your point about a moral

698
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Speaker 2: high ground, I mean, yeah, the the Washington Post is

699
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Speaker 2: in a tricky place, and there will be a lot

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Speaker 2: of voicing in the in the months ahead of hypocrisy

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Speaker 2: about any efforts that it makes to to try to

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Speaker 2: regain the moral high ground.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think back. I was in outside of

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Speaker 1: Mexico City about two years ago, and I went up

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Speaker 1: to see the ruins of the pyramids at Kayem mischewa

706
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Speaker 1: Khan and standing there with my guide and he talks

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Speaker 1: about the calendars that this ancient civilization five thousand years

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Speaker 1: old designed in their astronomical stication as such that it's

709
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Speaker 1: only until very recently that computers have outpaced their extrapolations

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Speaker 1: of constellations and arrangements. And and what I what I

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Speaker 1: stood there realizing is that even five thousand years ago,

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Speaker 1: but the human genius, all of it was fully formed

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Speaker 1: and present there, that there was no genius that was

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Speaker 1: going to send people to the moon right five thousand

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Speaker 1: years later, that wasn't present at those people looked up

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Speaker 1: and did those? Did those? And did those? Did those? Calculations. Right.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's a constancy, right of human behavior. And

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Speaker 1: you can see when you have a kid, right, the

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Speaker 1: kid who's good at math, right, the kid who's great

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Speaker 1: artistically right, or the kid that has a talent right

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Speaker 1: for me.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I was always interested in is this, right,

724
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Speaker 1: is what we're talking about. Right.

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Speaker 2: It's imagination, imagination combined.

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Speaker 1: With societies organize and government. And the event, right that

727
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Speaker 1: I was always most interested in, was the most epic

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Speaker 1: one of human history.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And these are the events of the nineteen thirties and

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Speaker 1: the nineteen forties. These are the deadliest decades of human history.

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Speaker 1: And I think the most important question you could conceivably

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Speaker 1: study in school. Yeah, how could that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right? So it never happens, It never happens, It never

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Speaker 1: happens again. So when I watched that crowd in Madison Square,

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Speaker 1: guard and you process the things that are being said,

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Speaker 1: I watch it and I think of them pulling some

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Speaker 1: migrant up out of the crowd onto the stage.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to stationalize it. Someone says, kill them, yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: I think the contagion of that crowd, that that person's

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Speaker 1: life would be in very very serious danger. Wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: the case obviously at a Kamala Harris rally. But there

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Speaker 1: was a phrase that was popular in the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 1: and the phrase was little Iikmans right, And it was

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Speaker 1: the idea right that there was great evil that could

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Speaker 1: take place through baantal actions and banal people like an

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Speaker 1: ad Off of who interrogated ad Off Keman, who never

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Speaker 1: talked about the experience until the early nineteen eighties. It

751
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Speaker 1: was an Israeli police captain who lost his family in

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Speaker 1: the Holocaust. Somebody finally asked him in nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 1: did you take anything away from the experience? And he goes, yet,

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Speaker 1: it gave me my faith in democracy, because there are

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Speaker 1: add Off Hikmans all around us. They're harmless in a democracy,

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Speaker 1: they turn deadly in an instant in a dictatorship. And

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Speaker 1: when I looked at that crap she Tucker Carlson getting

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Speaker 1: up there, what I saw was an arena full of

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Speaker 1: little likements.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, look.

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Speaker 1: I find it, I find it objectively terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, what do you say or

763
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Speaker 2: do you think I'm not Trump? Trump has exposed the

764
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Speaker 2: capacity of evil in America, right the the the assumption that,

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Speaker 2: you know, how could that have happened? What was the

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Speaker 2: aberration in Nazi Germany that made what happened there possible

767
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Speaker 2: and played out? You know, that looked like something that

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Speaker 2: could never happen in America. And you know, we we

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Speaker 2: now know that that it very much can. And you know,

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Speaker 2: your notion about uh, you know, a migrant being brought

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Speaker 2: up onto the stage and being ripped apart, you know,

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Speaker 2: is not in that climate that day doesn't sound very

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Speaker 2: far fetched. And I think it's not unreasonable to say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, a second Trump term is like the gathering

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Speaker 2: of a lynch mob to run the country, and and

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Speaker 2: and every day will be uh, the unleashing of the

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Speaker 2: lynch mob, you know, against significant portions of the American people,

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Speaker 2: and the many millions of people who yearned for a

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Speaker 2: better life who came to America because they believed in

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Speaker 2: the possibility of it, the potential of it, the possibility

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Speaker 2: of a living a better life for themselves and their family,

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Speaker 2: who believed in the you know, not only the economic opportunity,

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Speaker 2: but were in many cases have in many cases been

784
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Speaker 2: drawn by the idea of democracy and self governance, which

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Speaker 2: they haven't had in their own countries. And these are

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Speaker 2: the people that this lynch mob wants to destroy in

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Speaker 2: some ways. And you know this how many immigrants are

788
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Speaker 2: oftentimes the most patriotic, the ones who most love America,

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Speaker 2: who most deeply believe in the ideals of America, because

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Speaker 2: they've seen it played out in the worst ways in

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Speaker 2: their own countries. You know, I want to make one

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Speaker 2: other point, which is, you know why, I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: beyond sort of the giving license to people's worst instincts,

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Speaker 2: which we hope that civilization and you know, the whole

795
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Speaker 2: notion of liberal, liberal government to channel people's worst instincts.

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Speaker 2: You know, Trump has given license for that to be

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Speaker 2: put aside, and it's freed obviously a lot of the

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Speaker 2: worst impulses of the you know, of many among us.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say the worst among us, but

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Speaker 2: maybe many of us. But I think, you know, it

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Speaker 2: makes the alternate version that has provided just in the

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Speaker 2: last days that much more important. You know that she's

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Speaker 2: talked about building coalitions, she's talked about building community that

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Speaker 2: she's you know, talked about consensus and common ground and

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Speaker 2: common sense. You know, these things seems so normal and

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Speaker 2: simple and almost banal in a in a in an

807
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: opposite sense because they seem so obvious. But but you know,

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Speaker 2: we're we're being offered once again the opportunity to to

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Speaker 2: think about the fundamental building blocks of you know, of

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Speaker 2: community and society and democracy. And you know, they seem

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Speaker 2: somehow very simple and uh maybe too obvious, but I

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Speaker 2: hope that they sound in this climate refreshing and promising.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why, you know, most Americans will choose

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: If he wins. Will you be surprised?

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Speaker 2: I will be, you know, profoundly, profoundly disappointed about the

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Speaker 2: country that I love and that I thought I knew.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I'll be surprised in the sense

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Speaker 2: that I still believe that most Americans want a better

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Speaker 2: future and and this is true for you know, the

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Speaker 2: a dark, divisive, hateful future, and I really I'll be

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Speaker 2: surprised that most Americans would choose for.

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Speaker 1: That perfect place to leave it. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: that if he wins, we're all going to get a

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Speaker 1: chance to practice citizenship in an extreme version. And what

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Speaker 1: I would say to everybody who's listening, and I know

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Speaker 1: I'll have the impulse to do this is you're going

828
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Speaker 1: to be standing on the street watching the one hundred

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Speaker 1: and first airborne roll into your city to begin the

830
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Speaker 1: mass deportation operations. And you're gonna be standing next to

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Speaker 1: some MAGA voter who's looking with horror on her face

832
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Speaker 1: and says, holy shit, I didn't think he meant it right.

833
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Speaker 1: And and your impulse is going to be to look at him.

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Speaker 1: I know mine will be, and I won't be able

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Speaker 1: to resist and say no, he meant it fucking stupid.

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Speaker 2: He meant it right.

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Speaker 1: But what are we What are we going to do now?

838
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Speaker 1: What are we gonna do now?

839
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Speaker 2: Right?

840
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Speaker 1: So, so there's that if she does win, and and

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Speaker 1: I certainly am praying for that, and I have a

842
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Speaker 1: deep kind of serene faith that that is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: That that is that is at odds and at war

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Speaker 1: right now with my inner natural disposition, right genetically, my

845
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Speaker 1: black iron.

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Speaker 2: Right, you did call your you did call your excellent

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Speaker 2: newsletter of the warning.

848
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Speaker 1: Didn't right, Like I you know, I'm dealing with that.

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Speaker 1: But but as I said to this Canadian audience, that

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Speaker 1: even in victory, we will be in a crisis that

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Speaker 1: is the result of a carefully laid, extremest plan to

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Speaker 1: overturn the results of the election. And though we remember

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Speaker 1: it a lot of it from the fact that it

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Speaker 1: was idiotized, right, it was. It was the most horses

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Speaker 1: asked coup in a lot of ways that's ever been.

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Speaker 1: They've made progress over over the last four years. And

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Speaker 1: it's and it's you have to take it seriously. And

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Speaker 1: and I'm one of the few people in America that's

859
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Speaker 1: placed a concession phone call for a defeated presidential candidate.

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Speaker 1: I was the first person to address Barack Obama as

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Speaker 1: mister President elect in the Republican Party. And I remember

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Speaker 1: sitting with John McCain on the couch as we were

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Speaker 1: getting to that point in the evening, all the polls

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Speaker 1: were closed. It's clear he fell short, and we were

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Speaker 1: going to need to make the phone call and do that.

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Speaker 1: And the reality is is you have one of the

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Speaker 1: two political parties is inhabited fully by a core people who,

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Speaker 1: at the moment of defeat, at the moment where patriotism

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Speaker 1: requires the humility to do what Washington did, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: to submit.

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Speaker 2: To step away and accept what happened.

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Speaker 1: They will say no, right, And and they're gonna fight it,

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Speaker 1: and and they're fighting. It is an attack right on

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Speaker 1: the quarterstone of the society. It's a it's a societal

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Speaker 1: pancreatic cancer, right. It's it's as bad and lethal a

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Speaker 1: thing that you could conceivably do. And we all have

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for that in the in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of it. And it's going to be a really chaotic,

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Speaker 1: really interesting time, and everyone's got a chance to be

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Speaker 1: a good American. We're not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is This is a time you know,

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Speaker 2: between now and November fifth, and on November fifth, where people,

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Speaker 2: you know, our fellow citizens get a chance to perform

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Speaker 2: the most sacred act that a person, that a citizen

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Speaker 2: and a democracy can execute. And depending upon how this

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Speaker 2: plays out, you know, there will be many more opportunities

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Speaker 2: to continue to exercise you know, our power as citizens.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I hope it's to support a presidency

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Speaker 2: and administration committed to democracy and that it's not about resisting

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Speaker 2: one that's committed to throwing it all away.

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Speaker 1: Great conversation for a Thursday afternoon, five days out if

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Speaker 1: you have not voted, vote, And the last thing, there

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Speaker 1: are people in all of our lives we know who

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Speaker 1: they are who will be voting by absentee ballot, who

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Speaker 1: are high risk to fill out that ballot incorrectly. Make

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Speaker 1: sure if you're filling it out, you do it the

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Speaker 1: proper way. Follow the rule. Sign your name in the

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Speaker 1: right place, put it in the right envelope. Make sure

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Speaker 1: that you vote. If you have a neighbor who needs

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Speaker 1: a ride to the polls. If you have college age kids,

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Speaker 1: particularly sons, make sure they are up and out and voting.

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Speaker 1: Who knows what time they get to bed the night before.

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Speaker 1: It is time to end this madness in our country,

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Speaker 1: and I'll leave it there. Vote good, everybody, and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, mister besh Loss.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister Schmid. Pleasure