1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Let's go Giants on the Giants Bubbling, give me some job. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network. Let's roll. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition The Giants Little Podcast, brought to 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 3: We're in the Hacket Sack Marine Heal the podcast studio 8 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: keep getting Better. Joined by former Giants assistant coach, longtime 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: NFL coach, former head coach of Notre Dame, a lot 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: of other accolades that I will not get to. 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: He is Charlie Weiss. Charlie, what's going on? Man? How 12 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: are you? 13 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: Good morning? And I guess things are a little bit 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: better up there in New Jersey. Uh after last week's win. 15 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: So let's get wrong. 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Charlie and Troy Weiss's son is the offensive 17 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: coordinated at Ole Miss. He coached Jackson Dart down there 18 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: calls the plays with Trolly on in the offseason. 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: He gave us some invaluable insight about Jackson. 20 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: He spent time in the meeting room with him down there, 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: has an intimate knowledge of the player and how he plays. 22 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: I thought it was appropriate to have him on after 23 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart's first start. So, Troy, I'm gonna start the 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: basic one. I'm sure you watch the game, you watch 25 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: the tape. What do you think of Jackson Dart's first start? 26 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: I know you weren't surprised by how well he did. 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: No, I wasn't surprided at all. I've been telling people 28 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: all along, but this is what they should expect. I mean, 29 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: it wasn't perfect. He knows it wasn't perfect. There were 30 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: some there were there were things that he liked to 31 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: do better. But me, he showed who he is. I mean, 32 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: he's a natural leader. He's got the it factor. And 33 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: in addition to his physicality and using his legs and 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: his accuracy. You saw how the tea he's like the 35 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: pipe piper. And even though he's a rookie, you know, 36 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: people like playing with him. You know, people you know 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: he's infectious and I think that, you know, I've watched 38 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: the Giants over the last month, actually in the preseason, 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: and I saw it a little bit with Skataboo, you know, 40 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: where he was a little and you could see why 41 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: Jackson and the Scatterboro were boys. You could see why 42 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: they hang together because it seems like their personalities are 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: very similar. 44 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, right, charl And you talk about how he's 45 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: the pied piper, and I think that has to do 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: with the first thing you said, right, how he plays 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: his willingness to be a football player, not a quarterback, right, 48 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: his physicality, the way he runs. I think that all 49 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: kind of works together, which is why he's so magnetic 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: and why guys follow him and want to believe in him. 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: Right. 52 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's good in bad with that physicality, 53 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: as we know. 54 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna ask about that too. 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: They're putting yourself that rest. But I say, out the 56 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: entire game, the play I like the most was a 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: play that didn't count. It was the short yardage play 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: where he gets stuffed with an unblocked d B gets 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: linebacker whoever it was stucked, bounces off of him. He said, no, no, no, no, no, 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: that's not how and ends up bouncing it to the left. 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: Ends would have had the first down if it weren't 62 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: for the fact that they were the defense was off 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: sides on the play. Out of all the players in 64 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: the game, and you know, you're not supposed to talk 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: about a quarterbacks run, is the number as your favorite 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: play in the game, but I think that that was 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: my favorite play that he made the game. My favorite 68 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: play of the game was obviously Dexter Lawrence is a 69 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: fair close to a touchdown, But my favorite Jackson Dark 70 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: play of the game was that shortyard drive. 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: Ironically, Charlie, the next playing that to ask you about 72 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: is another play that didn't count because John Michael schmidz 73 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: s clinted a hold on the play. And that was 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart's long run as a coach. You get into 75 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: the meeting afterwards, what do you tell him about that 76 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: very violent steff arm that he threw with his throwing 77 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: hand at the opposing teams a DB's face mask. 78 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Is that one of the. 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: Things where you're like Jackson, you got to toe it 80 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: down with your throwing hand a little bit there. 81 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: Well, you can tell them all you want luck on that, okay, 82 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean yeah, Hell, for three years I 83 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: listened to Charlie and Lane say get down, get down, 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: get down, get down, get down. And I'm sure he's 85 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: getting the same thing from the head coach, the offensive 86 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: coordinator at a quarterback coach, and probably the players too. Well, 87 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: he is you know, we're in college, the players weren't 88 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: telling him to get down. Now, I'm sure he's got 89 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: teammates that are saying, hey, you're more important to us. 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: You know that you're healthy than you know than putting 91 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: yourself at rest. I'm sure he's going to hear that 92 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: a bunch of times. Slowly, he'll evolved, I mean, and 93 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's Josh Allen. When Josh Allen started, 94 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: you couldn't tell him to get down, right, And he's 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: evolved years of experience, and you know, vicious hits and 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: things like that. You know, you pick and choose those times, 97 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: those critical times where you go ahead and risk yourself, 98 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: and you try to minimize those hits as much as 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: you possibly can. 100 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, right, Charlie. 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: I'm with you, and I think you don't want to 102 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: try to pull them back too much because that's what 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: that's what makes them special, too, right, is that competitiveness 104 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: wanting to always make a play. So I think there's 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: a balance you have to draw there, right in terms 106 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 3: of you know how much you want to can It's 107 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: kind of like Baker Mayfield, right, Like Baker plays like 108 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: like a maniac. 109 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: But that's also what makes them special. 110 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 4: Right well, I think right now the Giants need that, righted. 111 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 4: They That's one of the reasons why they made it 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 4: switch your quarterback because he brings a different element, you know, 113 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: your run game. The Giants run game look totally different 114 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: with that quarterback in there because now on every single play, 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 4: that defense has to depend the quarterback run on every play. 116 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: And it's true on pass rush too. So I promised 117 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: you as a Saints or practicing this week, you know, 118 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: as their pass rushing on third and long, they're worried about, Okay, 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: what's gonna happen if we let this quarterback three? And 120 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: that's not necessarily outside. As you notice he steps up inside, 121 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: his eyes are downfield and if he sees a hole, 122 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 4: he goes ahead and tention. 123 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: No. 124 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Charlie, And I think what impressed me the most 125 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: in the game, And again this didn't surprise me either, 126 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: because I think this was all over his tap ital 127 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 3: and miss when when when we were all studying for 128 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: the draft, his pocket presence and ability to stay calm 129 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: even when maybe guys are closing in or the pocket's 130 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: collapsing a little bit. 131 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: He had two plays where he stepped up you. 132 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: Know, in the middle of the pocket, up the pocket 133 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: and found two players in the middle field for the catch. 134 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: He the other played a Darius Slayton in the shadow 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: of his own goalpost, where he rolls to the right 136 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: with his off hand. He's waving the Slaton to run 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: the little comeback on a little off schedule. 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: He completes a pass there. 139 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: There was no panic when there was some pressure, and 140 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: I just thought his poison those situations was excellent. 141 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: He does something rare for a young quarterback, you know, 142 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: for a rookie twenty two year old, is when he 143 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: steps up in the pocket from pressure, his eyes are 144 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: still downfield. Now, he obviously not afraid to run it. 145 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: But most of those guys on once once it hits 146 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: the fan, I mean they're running, they're not even thinking 147 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: about throwing the ball. Where Jackson's still looking to throw 148 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: it first before he goes ahead and takes off and run. 149 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look that that's going to serve him well, 150 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: because you're not going to win games consistently week the week, 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: Charlie in the National FOOTB League with the quarterback running 152 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: a ton. But if you can scramble to throw I 153 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: think that can be an extremely valuable weapon. And again 154 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: that is something that I think we saw him do 155 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: a a ton at Penn State, where if you can 156 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: challenge the run, other teams have to keep a spy 157 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: in there or just their their coverages in the back 158 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: end to account for the scrambling quarterback, and then you 159 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: can throw off of that. 160 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: That's when it becomes a really dangerous weapon. 161 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: One correction, you mean what he did at all? Messed? 162 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: What did I say? 163 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: He did it against Penn State? He didn't. You said 164 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: you said Penn State? 165 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: Did I say Penn State? Yeah? Sorry, I don't miss. 166 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: I find it comical because that's one game who is 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: going against that vaunted Penn State defense and he just 168 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: tore them up in the ball game. I enjoyed that tremendously. 169 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 2: You have to admit it. 170 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here, 171 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with it. The score great. 172 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: How do we make that happen? 173 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, but Citizen does makes sense of your 174 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: money with citizens Official Bank of ELI Manning. 175 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. 176 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: As we move ahead now here, Charlie, I thought it 177 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: was very important for the Giants in Week one, the 178 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 3: way they got that lead early and that was a 179 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: big right at the Jackson with the way the Giants 180 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: able to run the ball in that opening drive he 181 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 3: completed two passes for twenty one yards and being able 182 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: to play from the lead. With the lead, I think 183 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: it allowed Brian dable to keep that favorable game script 184 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: run the football not but too much on Jackson moving 185 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: forward here, and I think just having that lead with 186 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: a young quarterback at the helm. And I'd love to 187 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 3: get your comment on this can be so helpful for 188 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: a play caller to kind of control the game, trust 189 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: script and control the game so you can use them 190 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: exactly the way you want. 191 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: That's true. Let me add one more positive. Do you 192 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: notice how much pressure Carvert was under all day long? 193 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: Would you like to know one little tidbit that no 194 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: one's talking about? 195 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: Because the Giants played with the lead and they Chargers 196 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: had to throw the football to the lead. 197 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden, pass rushers can be 198 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: pass rushers because when you're playing from behind, I mean 199 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: those offenses are run the ball a lot more. I 200 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: mean Chargers barely ran the ball the whole game. They 201 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: hardly ran the ball, so you have those dynamic pass 202 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: rushers that can stop worrying about having to play a 203 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 2: run and a pass on an equal basis. Okay, it 204 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: makes it makes good pass rushers even better. 205 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: No, it absolutely does. 206 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: And how does it help a young quarterback and a 207 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: play color coach when you're able to look the Giants 208 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: the running backs. 209 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: They averaged a ton of yards per carry, but the 210 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: volume was there. 211 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: They had thirty the running backs themselves, I'm gonna ta 212 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: Jackson out of it, had thirty two rushes for one hundred. 213 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: And seven yards. 214 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 3: How does that help a quarterback, especially a young one 215 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: in their first game? And moving forward here, if that 216 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: run game can at least give you the volume and 217 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: consistent yards on first and second down to keep you 218 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: in good downs and distances. 219 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: Well, believe it or not, my philosophy was always it's 220 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: the volume of runs. It's not the yard that you gain, 221 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: because when if you're trying to play a complimentary game 222 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: where you can run and pass. And I was a 223 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: big play action guy. So the more time you run 224 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: the ball, the more times they have the defender run, 225 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: the easier play action pass ends up getting. That's where 226 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: you get your chunks. You don't get your chunk you 227 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: don't get your chunks, you know, very often unless you 228 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: get defenders misplaced. And how do you get a miss 229 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: place you get a misplaced in play action? And why 230 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: does play action become effective because of the volume of runs. 231 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: One hundred percent And the other thing I want to 232 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 3: throw out there too, Charlie, which was impressive for a 233 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: young quarterback. 234 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: No turnovers in the game for Jackson. 235 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: A big reason the Giants won is because there were 236 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: plus two the defense that the offense up twice inside 237 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: the five yard line, but the Giants did not turn 238 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: the ball over. And it's not like there was a 239 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: drop pick or you know, the one fumbled snap that 240 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas are covered, which is a huge play. But 241 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: Jackson never put the ball in danger over the course 242 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: of this game against by the way, a defensive secondary 243 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: and the Chargers who disguise very well and are really 244 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: good at taking the football away. 245 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: He I'm not comparing the college opponents to the Chargers. 246 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: You know, what were his stats? You know, he's a 247 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: ten to one touchdown interception guy. I mean, it was 248 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: some phenomenal some phenomenal stat And when you look at 249 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: guys who learn to take care of the football, okay. 250 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: That is a great redeeming quality the quarterback can have 251 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: is taking care of taking care of the football. The 252 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: difference is even though he was sacked five times. Sometimes 253 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: taking the sack is the right thing to do, believe 254 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: it or not. You know, because people say we'll throw 255 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: it away, Well, sometimes you can't throw it away, depending 256 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: on where that pressure is coming from. And sometimes a 257 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: guy's coming unlocked or unimpeded to you. Sometimes taking the 258 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: sack is the right thing to do. I'm not encouraging 259 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: taking secks on you, okay, because offensive line coaches get 260 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: a big case of ojia when when sacks are being recorded, 261 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 2: offensive line coaches taking you very defensively when that ends 262 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: up happening. But I think that. I mean I watched 263 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: the Giants play a complimentary football game. And for all 264 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: those years of teams, when I've been on winning teams, 265 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: complimentary football has been the key. Even on one side 266 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 2: of the ball was better than the other side, you 267 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: played to that. I played on teams where the defense 268 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: was better than the offense. You played to your defense. 269 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: I've been on teams where the offense was better than defense. 270 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: You played to your offense. In that game, this week 271 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: the Readon won. The Giants beat the Chargers that because 272 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: their whole team played played it played a good game, 273 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: because if one facet wouldn't have played a good game, 274 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: they would have won that game. And right now, I mean, 275 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: obviously you lose a guy like Lague Neighbors said, you know, 276 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big blow. But if the Giants 277 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: play complimentary football, they're gonna be in every game. There's 278 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: not one game on the schedule, and that includes the 279 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: so called world champion Eagles. I mean, the Eles are 280 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: not the Eagles are not unbeatable. If you play a 281 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: complimentary football game, okay, but you have to be playing 282 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: a complimentary football game. I think that's what the Giants 283 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: got this past week. 284 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about Neighbors and now what Jackson has 285 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: to do moving forward. 286 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: Trolie last one on this game, and that's exactly what Ticky, 287 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: Barbara and I said on the pregame show before that 288 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: game on Sunday. You're not going to ask your rookie 289 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: quarterback to come in here and be a savior for you. 290 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: You're not gonna ask any one player, a quarterback to 291 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: be a savior for you. 292 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: He needs no, not yet. You need help from the 293 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: offensive line. 294 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: I thought the Giants offensive line probably played their best 295 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: game of the year this week. We talked about the 296 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: running game, we talked about the defense. You needed to 297 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: put the stuff around the quarterback to give him a 298 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: good chance to succeed. And really, for the first time 299 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: this year, Charlie, and again, you want to connect that 300 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: to Dart, we can. I thought most facets of this 301 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: Giants team played good, solid football, which allowed them to 302 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: beat a pretty darn good team in the Chargers. 303 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and right now, Jackson's more a comp memory player, 304 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: you know, that's what he is at this point. But 305 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: remember I remember a few years ago, going back, you know, 306 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: we had a we had a quarterback change due to 307 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: injury back in New England, and this young guy came 308 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: in named Grady and when he first started playing, we 309 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: hardly did anything with him. We hand the ball off, okay, 310 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: we threw a lot of short passes, play through, a 311 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: little bit of play action, and by the end of 312 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: the year, he's running a two minute drive to win 313 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I mean, so that's how much changes. 314 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking you've only played a quarter of 315 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: the season. They don't played four games. I mean, you 316 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: got a long long way to go in this year, 317 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: and I think that you're going to watch him, watch 318 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: the Giant offense evolve as Jacksony falls, and I think 319 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: that the defense, I think that, I mean, this is 320 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: no disrespect to Russell Wilson, but I think the defense, 321 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: you know, kind of got a jump jump start because 322 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: they know they're playing with a rookie quarterback and they 323 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: had it. They had to step up a little bit 324 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: more because the rookie quarterback was in there. 325 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: Johns Lit Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 326 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: official bank of the Giants from game day celebrations here 327 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: every day Financial needs big new fans to get the 328 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: most out of every moment. With Citizens to learn more 329 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: at citizens bank dot com slash Giants Don't Buy. Charlie 330 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: Weiss and coach, you talked about expanding the palette. Now 331 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: as you move forward with Jackson Dart as a coach, 332 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: when do you know when you can start giving him more? 333 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: How do you kind of to start putting more in? 334 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 3: How do you expand that menu for him as you 335 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: now move along in the season. 336 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: Depends on who you're playing, I mean, because football is 337 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: really a lot more simple than fans like to think. 338 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: It is. Every week you shit there those coaches by 339 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: Sunday night, Okay, by Monday night, for sure, you're sitting 340 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: there studying the next opponent. You know, sometimes you do 341 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: it Sunday night where you know, you get home, you 342 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: know they'll you know, celebrate your. 343 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 5: Mom with you, with your family a little bit, and 344 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 5: the game's over. Then you already you're already in your 345 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 5: mind onto the next game. But you're sitting there where 346 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 5: coaches are in. Their money is not on game day. 347 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 5: Coaches earn their money. 348 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: From money, you know, from Monday to Saturday night, when 349 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: they're creating a game plan and implementing the game plan 350 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: and getting it and then teaching the game and getting 351 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: it ready to go. And I think that each week 352 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: it's his own separate andity. I mean, this week it's 353 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: New Orleans. So what are their strengths? What are their weaknesses? 354 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: And I think that as you put more stuff in 355 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: which they will, I think it has to be opponent specific. 356 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: You know, you have the nuts and bolts of the 357 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: era offense in now it's opponents specific. What things that 358 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 2: Jackson does well fits this upon it this week, let's 359 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 2: put them in. 360 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking to your former broadcast partner, Bob Papa, 361 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: and you know you talked about the sacks that that 362 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: Jackson took over the course of that game. In three 363 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: or four weeks or five weeks, coach, he's probably not 364 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: gonna be taking those sacks, right, He's going to either 365 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 3: make a quicker decision, get the ball out things like that, 366 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: you know. And we saw a couple of plays in 367 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: the game, or maybe held it to a couple guys 368 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: open down the field. 369 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: He didn't pull the trigger. 370 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 3: As you move along here, how do you help him 371 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: see that stuff? Or is that something that is he 372 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: rewatches the game on tape with the coaches. The next 373 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: couple of days, things will slow down for him and 374 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 3: he'll start maybe seeing the stuff that he doesn't see 375 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: in that first game out there. 376 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: Well, let me just clarify one thing to you, just 377 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: so you understand. Sometimes when you see a guy wide open, 378 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: that's not where to play was designed to go. Sure, 379 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: absolutely a lot of times people, why did you throw 380 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: it to so and so Because he wasn't in the 381 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: read That's why I didn't throw it to him. Like 382 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: if you have if you have a progression read or 383 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: you have a coverage read, and it tells you to 384 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: go to a specific spot. Well, that's where you should 385 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: be looking, right, I mean, you shouldn't be looking at 386 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: that guy who's running wide open just because if that's 387 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: not in the read, if it gets to him, fine, Okay, 388 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: But I think that the answer to that, I just 389 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: wanted to clarify that one. 390 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. 391 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: I even watch the games last night, and then, well, 392 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: I don't know why you didn't throw it to so 393 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: and so. Were they sitting in the game plan? But 394 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: did they know where to play was designed to go? 395 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: Did they watch if there was any pressure on the play? 396 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: Did they watch if somebody ran the wrong route? I mean, 397 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: you don't know those things when you're watching the game. 398 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: But that all that being said, I think that the 399 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: more I think that he was more inclined to be 400 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: conservative than risque in those situations. Okay, And I think 401 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: that ended up playing out. He ended up winning the game. 402 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 2: I think that I think that the more, I mean, 403 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: look at this is not a conservative kid, No, that's 404 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 2: his nature. Okay. I think he played very, very, very smart. 405 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: But I think that as he becomes more confident and 406 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: has more freedom. You know, I think that some of 407 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: those things you talked about will indeed happen. 408 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 3: You mentioned the Lague Neighbors injury. How does that now 409 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: impact how you get him ready and instruct him for 410 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: these games, Charlie beause, you know, if you're playing a 411 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 3: team that plays heavy man, it's easy to say, well, 412 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: you see man defense, you know where you're going to 413 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 3: the ball, you're throwing them Eleak Neighbors. Right, That's not 414 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: the easy answer that he's going to have now. So 415 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: as a coach, you lose your top wide receiver, you're 416 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: talking to your rookie quarterback. How do you have that discussion? 417 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: What do you tell Jackson about his approach now without 418 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: that easy answer of Malik Neighbors and maybe some of 419 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: those one on one situations. 420 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: Well, two things you're still the last time I checked, 421 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: this high guy is one of the fastest guys in 422 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: the league. Now. I don't know if he can catch 423 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: a cold, okay, but I know he can run by people. 424 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: So what you do is you take different players that 425 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 2: you have and give them some of the responsibilities that 426 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: Malik had. That's number one. Number two, you can get 427 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: people open versus man coverage. Yep, just you have to 428 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: use formations in motion. I mean, who's said a rule 429 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: that you can't go ahead and then create situations by 430 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: coaching to kick guys open versus man coverage. Now, if 431 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: you just detach them and go four open and have 432 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: me vertical down the field, shame on you. I mean 433 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: that's a coach's fall, that's not the player's fault. But 434 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: you use in some cases, you use players that have 435 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: specific skill sets to take off some of the load 436 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: and the other ones you could, you know, use formations, 437 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: formations and motions to get people open. If you want 438 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: to know how to manage two minutes of crunch time football, 439 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm your man. 440 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 441 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: you should talk to citizens. Hey, I can also talk 442 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: long care. I'd like to learn about amiliar routine. Yes, 443 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: I knew I could help make sense of your money 444 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: with citizens. You watch both? Yeah, I was sorry, coach, 445 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: go ahead, I apologize. 446 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: The full answer. How about that for a simple answer? 447 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: Now, I think that's I think that makes a lot 448 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: of sense. 449 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: And this goes back to my question then that was 450 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 3: about to ask you watch a ton of college you 451 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: watch a ton of pro how much more of you 452 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: seen some college concepts and stuff like that leaking into 453 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: the pro game. As we get further and further along 454 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: is as you get coaches kind of mixing and matching 455 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: coming in and out of college and the pros and 456 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: basically trying to use these young players as quickly as 457 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: possible and maybe using some of the concepts that they 458 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 3: used in college. 459 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: Well, I find it comical when you get around draft 460 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: time and people start, well, he'sing a college offense. I mean, 461 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Those college coaches are getting paid 462 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: a lot of money now too. I mean, in case 463 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: you haven't noticed, I mean that become big business. The 464 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: players are getting paid, the coaches are getting paid. I mean, 465 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: they're not getting paid as much as they are in 466 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: the NFL, but you know there's some serious it's a 467 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 2: big business. And why wouldn't you study the best offenses 468 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: both in the pro and in college. I mean, I 469 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: know that Charlie looks a lot of that motion and 470 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: stuff that Andy Reid does with the Chiefs. I know, 471 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: I know for a fact he does that. And for example, 472 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: Ole Miss has a quarterback from from a Division two 473 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: quarterback from Parish State. That's lighted it up. Well, not 474 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: only did they recruit him and sign him, but they 475 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: took someone a place that they were running at that 476 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: school because they like the concepts. It's a trickle up effect, 477 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: not a trickle down effect. Why wouldn't you use concepts 478 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: that good offenses or good defenses are used to your back? 479 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: It just would make no sense. 480 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: All right, Two final questions for you. 481 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: What are the things that you think that Jackson does 482 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: really well from a throwing perspective, you know, is downfield stuff? 483 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: Do you like crossers? 484 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 3: What are some of the things that you think the 485 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: Giants can really lean into that he showed a lot 486 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: of success with at Ole miss that as Giant fans 487 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 3: look forward to what might look like as you move 488 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: forward down the line. Here Charlie, that you think Jackson 489 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: early in his career could really succeed at at the 490 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: NFL level. 491 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: Well, he was the best deep ball thrower in college 492 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: football last year. Okay, you didn't see very many deep 493 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: balls in that game. Okay, you already know ex accurate, 494 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: short and intermediate, but people that have not seen the 495 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: deep ball yet, and you know, as the year goes on, 496 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: you'll see some home run shots, I promise you. 497 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: And by the way, Charlie, I only did give Jackson 498 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: credit to your point. He's an aggressive kid. He wants 499 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: to throw the deep ball, right. But the fact that 500 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: he was able to temper himself, knowing that the Chargers play, 501 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: you know, two safeties deep most of the game and 502 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: they try to eliminate that from the offense, I was 503 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: pretty impressed. And look, he tried to throw a cup 504 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: early in the game, but then he realized, look, this 505 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: probably is not going to work. And for him to 506 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 3: temper that tendency for him, which I think is a 507 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: good one in the face of what the opponent was showing. 508 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: I thought showed a pretty big bit of maturity. To 509 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: be honest with you. 510 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: Well, one thing you saw as you watch the game, 511 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: if you leave a hole a short intermediate. 512 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 6: It's going to be on the numbers. He's going to 513 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 6: hit you right in the chest. I mean, he is 514 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 6: dead on accurate when it comes to those things. So 515 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 6: once you now you start to establish a little bit. 516 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 2: Of a running game. That makes the offensive lineman happy 517 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: because the offensive linemen just aren't past luck in the 518 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: whole game. Now they can be aggressive and get off 519 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. That helps the offensive linemen. I mean, 520 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, your running backs are happier. 521 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: Now your tight end's going to get become happier because 522 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: in play action pass, the easiest got to get open, 523 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: and play action pass actually is the tight end the 524 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 2: easiest got to get open because the linebackers step up. 525 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: He's behind him, I mean, and that's where a lot 526 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: of the windows are. That's why teams use playacks and 527 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: throw the bowl in the tight end a whole bunch. 528 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see how this he follows and 529 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: look at I obviously know Brian very well. You know 530 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: I don't know as well. I mean, I know Brian 531 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: very well, and even though Kap is calling the plays, 532 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: I know I know Brian's involved during during the week 533 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: on game planning, he'll say, well they think about this, 534 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: what do you think about that? And that's what that's 535 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: what he should be doing anyway. But at the end 536 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: of the day, I think the Giant offense is going 537 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: to look a lot different. And you got to pick 538 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: up the slack when somebody, when you lose a player, 539 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: you got to pick up the slack and you got 540 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: to figure out how you're going to exactly you're going 541 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: to do that. I think that it's I think it's 542 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 2: being understated. The return and help of number seventy eight. 543 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: I think it's being understated. I don't think enough people 544 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: are talking about that. And it isn't just to recover fumble, 545 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: which was a huge play in the game, okay, just 546 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: the fact that he's out there. These are the best 547 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: offensive linement and all of a sudden he's out there playing, 548 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: you know, playing the majority of the game. 549 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: And he pitched the shutout. He didn't give him one 550 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: pressure in the whole game. He was going the run 551 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: game was he played the heck of a game? All right, 552 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: Final question, Charlie. As Giant fans moved forward, he or Jackson, 553 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: Darthur all very excited, what message would you send to 554 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 3: them about maybe the trials and tribulations of rookie quarterbacks. 555 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: You talked about how you had tom as As when 556 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: he was a young player, the ups and downs, and 557 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 3: maybe some of the patients that should be exercised as 558 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: Jackson starts to figure things out at the pro level. 559 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 3: It's not just going to be like a linear line 560 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 3: going up right. It's gonna be a little choppy here there. 561 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, you're asking the wrong guy because you're asking You're 562 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: you're talking to the guy that before anyone was saying, 563 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: this is the guy. I mean, I haven't saying it 564 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: all along. I watched him for three years. I watched 565 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: him evolved, and I can't tell you how many teams 566 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: I told I, go, this is the guy. Now. No 567 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: disrespect to camp Ward. I thought he was a great player. 568 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: He probably was the most talented player. He probably but 569 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: he wasn't a guy that I would have wanted. That 570 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's not the most talented. Because I was 571 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: around Jackson personally not a lot. You know this is 572 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: I'll look at I'm not Charlie Junior, and I'm not Lean. 573 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: I was around like them, But he has that special 574 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: something that you look for, and I can't tell you 575 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: how valuable that it factor really is. So when you're 576 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: asked me to temper the giant fans down, you're talking 577 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: to the wrong guy. Okay, I'm not tempering it down 578 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: one bit. 579 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the question wasn't specifically to Jackson, just 580 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: in terms of dealing with young players and young quarterbacks 581 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: specifically in the National Football League as great as you 582 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: think he's going to be. Obviously there's going to be 583 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 3: learning experiences along the way. That's where I was trying 584 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: to go with that one, Charlie. 585 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: He want to know his biggest weakness. He blames everything 586 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: that goes wrong on himself. When they lost a couple 587 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: of games last year, he blamed He's gotten front of 588 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: the media, blamed himself for everything. I mean, and let's 589 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: face it, the quarterback gets the glory when you win, Okay, 590 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: get to blame when you look. There's two people will 591 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: get it, the head coach and the quarterback. When things 592 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: go well, everyone says good things about the head coach 593 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: and the quarterback. When things don't go well, every new 594 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: one bad. Now it's the head coach and the quarterback. 595 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's universal. It happens everywhere. But I 596 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: think that he has to understand that he's got to 597 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: do his part and that's all he can do. But 598 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: the one thing, I promise you. Within teen minutes the 599 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: end of that game on Sunday, he was talking to 600 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: Elik Neighbors. I promise you. I know the kid, I 601 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: promise you. He was talking to Milik neighbors. You know, 602 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how that how that worked. 603 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't know where he was, but I promise you, 604 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: whether whether he was in the hospital or whether he 605 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: was in the locker room, regards where he was, he 606 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: was looking for Molik neighbors after they got through the 607 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: little locker room celebration, which I'm sure with a welcome 608 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: change after being h and three, I'm sure that was 609 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: the first thing on his mind. It wasn't go find 610 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: his parents and all his family that he had there. 611 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: It was Milik neighbors. That's who the kid is. 612 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: Jolly, you're the best. This was awesome. I really appreciate 613 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 3: the time. Anything you want to let the fans know 614 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: that you're up to, that you're doing. The floor is yours. 615 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: No, I lived my carriage Lee through my kid, you know, 616 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: I just I just root for all men. I was. 617 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: You know, Jackson on Saturday afternoon wasn't studying the game plan, 618 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,239 Speaker 2: by the way. He was watching his beloved rebels up 619 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: on LSU as their offense went against their vaunted defense 620 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: at LSU and just tore them up for four hundred 621 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: and eighty yards. So I promise you that Jackson on 622 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: Saturday night was talking a lot of trash and elite neighbors. 623 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure that that was going on. But you know, 624 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: this is a good week for me. It's a bye week, 625 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: you know, for Ole Mess, so you know, I can fly. 626 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: I'm actually flying up to New Jersey this week to 627 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: go to a wedding on Friday night, you know, So 628 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: Alex will be in Jersey for the weekend. But I 629 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: will be watching the Giants Saint game on Sunday because 630 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: now Mike, I already had kind of a rooting interest 631 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: for the Giants. You know, I don't really root for 632 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 2: an NFL team. I only root for ol Mess, you know, 633 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: because that's my blood. But with Jackson there, you know, 634 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: Jackson and Charlie were like brothers. Lane was like his 635 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: second dad. Well, Charlie was like his older brother, you know. 636 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: So you know, I obviously have a lot of a lot, 637 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: a lot of investors in the Jackson and I'm I wishing, 638 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: I'm wishing the best for him. 639 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: Charlie, thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it, 640 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: all right, take care of now. 641 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 3: That's Charlie Wise and the Johnson Podcast, brought to you 642 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants and the Hackensack. 643 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: When you hell the podcast, do you keep getting better? 644 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time on the Johnson Podcast. 645 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: Everybody