1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: The following program has been prerecorded Ron and Anian, it's 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: funny car companies and a lot of repair shops will will. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: They don't want to drive a vehicle unless it's broken. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes I like to look at a car that's running 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: well so I can gather her data and then I'll 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: know it's broken when it breaks. The Car Doctor get ready. 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: Technology is gonna change. Technology is gonna change how we 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: do things and how we approach things, and it's it's 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: going to make things very different. Welcome to the radio 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor. Since this 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world overturned to for their 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: the garage orders are open, but I am here to 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five six and now running. 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: Let's see, I got that turned off, I got that 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: turned off, I got that turned on. Okay, Tom, I'm 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: ready to go or are we on air already? Ha 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: ha ha. You didn't think i'd be read. In a 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: matter of fact, you didn't think I'd be ready for 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: you this week? Did you? Um, I've I've I've come 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: back successfully from the first hour and now here I 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: am for the second hour, and um, it's been a 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: great it's been a great week getting ready for Christmas. 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: I got santhing you notice. Did you get what you 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: wanted for Christmas? Tom, did you get everything you wanted? Yes? 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, so I appreciate it. But 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: I think I got one of your things. It was 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: It was a set of adjustable wrenchers that were set 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: to all different different things that they were in order. 31 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: That's what makes it work, you know. And you flip 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: them over. You can make those standard wrenchers metric. Oh yeah, 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: it works. Really that's a two and one. That's a 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: two and one set. I got that for you because 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: you're my You're my master of all trades, you know, 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: you you tend to do everything for me. So hey, um, 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: we're going a little bit of a different show to say, 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: are we. We know you guys really appreciate the calling, 39 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: and we appreciate talking to each and every one of you. 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: But we're gonna do this hour a little different than 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the first and the one we normally do most of 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: the time of the year. And uh, we're gonna do 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: with somebody that we absolutely love here on the Car Doctor. 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: We're just so thrilled to have him all the time. 45 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: I consider him my co host. That's away fifty weeks 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: out of the year. We get him for two weeks 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: of the year, and that we're always glad to welcome 48 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: him back. Paul Eisenstein at the Detroit Bureau dot com. Paul, 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Happy holidays to you, sir. How are you today? Happy 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: holidays to you too, and all listeners. This is great. 51 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing well, um, enjoying the fact that Detroit so 52 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: a little bit warmer than normal. I know a lot 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: of folks would like snow, but I am really enjoying 54 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: this well, having come back from the North Pole and 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: seeing what Santa gets to deal with. I've got to 56 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: tell you, dude, I'll take the warm weather any day 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: of the week. It's uh. You have no idea what 58 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: a lot of snow looks like until you get up 59 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: there and get to come back from it. So, Um, 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: I have a brother in law and Darry Ontario. You 61 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about snow? Yeah, listen. I remember as 62 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: a kid, Just as an aside, I remember as a 63 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: kid we went up to um Lake Placid one year ago, snowmobiling. 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: I had never I had never seen snow like that. 65 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: This was the early seventies. I had never seen snow 66 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: like that. When you opened the car door, the snow 67 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: is already over the roof of the car. And we 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: were there. We were there seven days. It's snowed six 69 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: out of the seven and everybody just thought it was 70 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: Everybody thought it was normal. It was you know, it's 71 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. So, speaking of snow, I want to start 72 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: right here. I think this is the important topic as 73 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: we have our yurine review and conversation. Um. Now, I 74 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: noticed this wasn't written by you. This was written by 75 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Larry Larry Prince, your executive editor, up on the website 76 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: about what does Santa drive? Did you have a hand 77 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: in that? Um? Did you guys ever know? Actually? Actually no, Larry, 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: Larry is that that's exactly the sort of stuff. Hey, 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: it really is. But what does Santa drive? We really well, 80 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: I know what he drives. I can't really divulge that. 81 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: But I love the comments about the Jeep brand wagon 82 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: there and the four I was scrolling through I saw 83 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: that Jennefit Genesis g V eight. Oh my god, that 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: thing is the coolest looking car I've ever seen. You know, 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: I've got a g V seventy and the slightly smaller 86 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: one outside, and it's just as luxurious. And people are 87 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: really suddenly paying attention to Genesis. You know, it's a 88 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: brand that debuted as a sort of somewhat brand uh 89 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: in the in the Hyundai show rooms. It were just 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: moved by them to try to see they get a 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: little upscale, and they figured out, yeah, let's let's spin 92 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: it off and go into a true, true luxury brand. 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: And they're still in the building stage. You're getting only 94 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: the very first dealers with standalone show rooms at all, 95 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 1: but their product portfolio is expanding and they have three 96 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: extremely well received sedans. Of course, in this market, it's 97 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: really about the utes and the g V seventy, the 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: second one, is one of the three finalists for North 99 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: American Utility Vehicle the Year. One of the reasons I'm 100 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: driving it again right now is because I'm trying to 101 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: familiar more familiarize myself with all the various vehicles that 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: are up in the three categories, and boy, I gotta 103 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: tell you it is difficult. This year. I mean, talk 104 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: about a curious, curious set of very different vehicles, all 105 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: of which have reason to win. Uh. The Ionic five 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: from Hyundai their first, well really this second long range 107 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: electric vehicle. They had the ConA e V before, but 108 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: this is the first on an all new skateboard like platform. 109 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: Then of course you have the Bronco, not the Bronco Sport, 110 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: but the big Bronco that got delayed because of problems 111 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: with the roof, and you have the g V seventy. Uh. 112 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: That's is one of the challenges we've juror's face trying 113 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: to figure out which one makes sense. You know what 114 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: I love about you, you see, you give us such 115 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: information and you don't even know what you just did. 116 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned the fact that the Bronco was delayed because 117 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: of the problems with the roof. Only you, only you 118 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: know that, and you let us you let us know that. See, 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: it's the little things, That's what I live. I just 120 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: let you talk, if you noticed, because you tell me 121 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: so much. Every time you say something, you make me laugh. Man, 122 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's great. Um. Uh. What kind of 123 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: problems did they have with the roof? Oh? You may 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: recall it was delayed for some months. It was supplied 125 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: by OH gosh, now I'm getting the two suppliers mixed up. Anyway, 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: their supplier had problems. They couldn't get the consistency on 127 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: the roof, the removable roof, so they just held up 128 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: the Broncho entirely until they could get it fixed. And 129 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: it's finally out there. I was out in Las Vegas, 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, Las Vegas was as cold 131 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: as Detroit last week. It was crazy um and it 132 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: snowed up in the mountains. I don't know if you've 133 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: spent much time there, but you know there's some great 134 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: mountain road when you get when you get a little 135 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: bit west of Las Vegas, and we spent the better 136 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: part of a very long day all over the all 137 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: over the mountains. Ford has created these off rodeo UH places, 138 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: training programs, if you will, for Bronco buyers, Bronco customers, 139 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: and they have one in Austin, which I've been down to, 140 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: and they just opened the one outside of Las Vegas. 141 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: And when you got over five thousand feet it was 142 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: uh snowy mess. Santa would have felt right at home. 143 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: We drove there over rocks and uh some real real 144 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: challenges and then we headed out into some of the 145 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: national parks and it was just a great test. And 146 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: what you realize is the Bronco doesn't stop for anything, 147 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: just it just runs. It just keeps going. Um. Yeah. 148 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: And then you have the Ionic five, which is, as 149 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: I say, this is this very interesting vehicle. It's the 150 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: beginning of a major rollout from Hundai uh and it 151 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: gets over three miles per charge depending on which battery pack, 152 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: in which engine combination or motor combination. You have got 153 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: to change. My language is no longer engines, it's waters. 154 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, here's here's a little tidbit for you, okay, uh. 155 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: In the three categories Car the Year, Utility, Vehicle of 156 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: the Year, and Truck of the Year, there is at 157 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: least one electrified vehicle in every category, at least one 158 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: all electric model, and then there's there's a hybrid or 159 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: two in the mix as well. That's how much it's changing. 160 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: By the end of next year, from the end of 161 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,119 Speaker 1: the twenty one model year to the end of two 162 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: calendar year, the number of battery electric vehicles I'm not 163 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: talking hybrids and pluggets, I'm talking all electric models will 164 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: quadruple to more than fifty and what's happening is some 165 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: of these are, frankly so much better than what Tesla 166 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: has out there. So the question is will Tesla be 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: able to hold its market share just by name recognition 168 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: or will they wind up having the same trouble that 169 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: destroyed manufacturers faced decades ago when the competition just came 170 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: in and beat them on quality, reliability and features. Well, 171 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: and I've I've often thought to myself that I wonder, 172 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think that the the other car companies, 173 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, four GM, Toyota, et cetera. Um, they've got 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: these marketing programs and there's seasoned hands at this. You know, 175 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: Tesla is doing really well. What competition does he have? 176 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: What's gonna happen when he has competition? And that's going 177 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: to change the game a little bit. Unless Mr Tesla's 178 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: got something in his uh back pocket there, Unless Mr 179 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: Musk has something in his back pocket that he's not 180 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: letting on that will see maybe roll out as a 181 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: model year change or something. We'll have to wait and 182 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: see what happens there. Um, yeah, he's been very slow 183 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: to do that. He's late with a lot of products. 184 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: The Semi is late, the roadster is late, and some 185 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: people wonder if it's going to happen. The the cyber 186 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: truck is at least a year too late by the 187 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: time it comes out. And by the way, there's a 188 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: great example. They claim to have hundreds and hundreds and 189 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of advanced reservations for the cyber truck. 190 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: And now even musk Is admitted it may not do 191 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: very well in reality once people actually have a chance 192 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: to buy it. But here's here's a question for you. 193 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: So I told you how many how many better electric 194 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: vehicles will be out in all form by the end 195 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: of next year, by about middle of the decade, how 196 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: many all electric pickup trucks do you think they're going 197 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: to be? Can I wait until after the break to 198 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: answer that. Okay, we're gonna be right back, Paul Eisenstein. 199 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: You gotta give me a minute to think about that one. Paul, 200 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Paul Licenstein and myself, Ronny and the car Doctor, we'll 201 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: both be back right after this. Don't go away. You 202 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: have what's more fun than listening to Ron and any 203 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: in the car doctor and getting that car fixed? Right 204 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: A five five five zero zero zero. Give Ron a 205 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: call now back to Ron, Hey, welcome back any of 206 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: the car Doctor Here theory with Paul Eisenstein of the 207 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Detroit Bureau of the Detroit Bureau dot com. Paul, when 208 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: we took the plause, your question was about electric pickup trucks. Yep. 209 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: How many do you think that there will be? Bye? Well, well, 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: we'll say through the middle of the decade. How many 211 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: are there now? I think I know pretty much who's 212 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: going to be there, whether they all survive and make 213 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: it another story. I know who's going to try to 214 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: be out there. How many do you think there will be? 215 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: How many do we have now? Right now? We we 216 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: have a Riviewan and uh Bowling years a little bit 217 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: slow to market than they had planned. Uh, And we're 218 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: going to have the Hummer, which actually they just started deliveries. 219 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: I think they delivered a couple last week, and then 220 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: they'll be the f one fifty Lightning next year. We're 221 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: going out yet. No, that's not out yet. That's due 222 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: to that they're going to start production in June. And 223 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: Mary bar has let slip that we're going to see 224 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: let's see, we're gonna see the Chevallet silverado Ev debut 225 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: at CS And we've already had the hints of the 226 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: the GMC will be a second one. They'll have the 227 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: Homer and then they'll have a version of the Sierra 228 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: e V and Stilantis is offered hints, and then Toyota 229 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: showed us that they're going to do an electric EV 230 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: electric pick up. I should say during that big announcement 231 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: they had of their battery car plans a week and 232 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: a half ago. So I've given you what six or 233 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: seven already, I'm going to say not even the end 234 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: of I'm gonna say nine. Well, if if a few 235 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: of the guys don't make it, uh. We we were 236 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: waiting to find out about Lordstown. We we are not 237 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: sure if Cybertruck actually will make it. They'll probably will. Uh. 238 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: There's Atlas uh and a few others. A minimum of 239 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: ten all electric pickups. Nissan has already planning to do one. 240 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a mid size UM, but at least ten, 241 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: and we could have more than a dozen all electric 242 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: pickups now they'll be even more coming when you start 243 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: seeing more go into the midsize segment, and I frankly 244 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: expect that we would in the long run see an 245 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: all electric version of the Ford Maverick and possibly the 246 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: Santa Cruz from Hyundai. So you know, it's amazing when 247 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: you consider the pickup truck segment will be one of 248 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: the ones going most aggressively into electrification. I guess a 249 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: lot of people have stunned by that. Well, I am, 250 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: and I and I guess you can suffice it to say, 251 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm stunned at the cost factor. I'm stunned at the numbers. 252 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm stunned at You know, it doesn't matter whether you're 253 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: whether it's electric or an internal combustion engine. America loves trucks, 254 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: no matter what's in it, no matter what powers it. 255 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: They just want trucks. They want big vehicles. Yeah. Absolutely. 256 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Now here's here's one of the reasons why people may 257 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: not realize it. But when you start looking at electric vehicles, 258 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: and if you're a fleet owner where you know pretty much, uh, 259 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: you pretty much know what your day to day driving 260 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: will be, you can start making real dollars and cents 261 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: out of the electric vehicle. You know that it's going 262 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: to have a lower energy cost. Uh, they have lower 263 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: maintenance costs. The batteries are lasting now for the life 264 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: of the truck and beyond, so you don't have to 265 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: start worrying about an eighty thousand or hundred thousand miles 266 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: putting in a ten thousand dollar battery back. The battery 267 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: pack prices are tumbling. Uh, most most fleet folks can 268 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: get by with the range that the newest electrics are 269 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: putting out, So all of a sudden, it makes dollars 270 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and cents for them to switch to electric. And now 271 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the you know, the consumer buyers, the 272 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: urban cowboys and the like. I say, wha ho, Wait 273 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: a second, you're you're telling me that the four and 274 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: f one fifty Lightning is going to be able to 275 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: do zero to sixty and under four and a half seconds, 276 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: and it's going to be able to tow close to 277 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: ten thousand pounds, and it will have more room, more 278 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: storage space. You've got a big front, you know, chunk 279 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: under the hood where the engine used to go. So 280 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden that truck buyers are saying there's 281 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: a lot to love about about electric pickups, Well, I 282 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to love about all the electric vehicles. 283 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: That the questions I just have for then we will 284 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: turn this into a debate. Is you know the ones 285 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: we've always talked about the infrastructure, the support, what will 286 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: they will they be able to do what they say 287 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: they're going to do. And I think the next couple 288 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: of tow three years is going to be very interesting. Uh, 289 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, to eliminate the internal combustion engine and some 290 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: manufacturer a lines completely by the end of the decade. 291 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: They've got to do what they're doing now. They've got 292 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: to be as aggressive as they are now in order 293 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: to create the momentum to push the capital the technology. 294 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking less than fifteen years complete elimina 295 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: elimination right from all the manufacturers, largity of them, right right, 296 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: by thirty five, right right, Yeah, by thirty five, GM 297 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: is out of it. By thirty Lexus is out of it, uh, 298 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: and and the whole range by by thirty to thirty five, 299 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: we'll see all the Volkswagen brands out of it. In fact, 300 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: what's really interesting is it it's the luxury brands and 301 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: the pickups, the two extremes that seem to be going 302 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: to electrics fastest. Now, why why electric on luxury? Well, 303 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: first of all, you're not as worried about the dollars. Uh, 304 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: you can afford to pay for a longer range battery back. 305 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: You heard about the Lucid that just came out right, 306 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: the Lucid Air Dream Edition, which by the way, is 307 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: one of the vehicles up for North American Car the 308 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Year and at one Motor Trend Car the Year. Uh, 309 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: that vehicle is getting as much as five hundred twenty 310 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: miles of range. Now that model had to sacrifice some 311 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: some power. It's only nine horse power zero to sixty 312 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: and about two and a half seconds. The Lucid Air 313 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: Dream Performance Edition ten horse power and does zero a 314 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: sixty and about two seconds. So where you know? And 315 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: I think all the horse power stuff is great and 316 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: the performance stuff is great. Can you see the beginning 317 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: of the next muscle car war and the next generation 318 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: of muscle cars? Right? Hold that thought? When I come back, 319 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: we'll we'll, we'll, we'll pick it up there. But you know, 320 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: is this the beginning of the early sixties again? Um? 321 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: You know? Is John Delorian looking down smiling at us 322 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: about putting the big V eight in the light car 323 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: and creating the muscle cars of the sixties, but doing 324 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: it with battery electric. Paul Paul Eisenstein's with me this hour. 325 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm on on any of the car doctor. Will both 326 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: be back right after this. Don't go away, welcome back. 327 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: We're on in any of the car Doctor. I'm here 328 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: today with Paul Eisenstun of the Detroit Bureau. You know, Paul, 329 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: I have to apologize. At the top of the hour 330 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: before I introduce, Jay asked Tom if he got everything 331 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: you wanted for Christmas. I didn't ask you. Did you 332 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: get everything you wanted for the holidays? I did? Just fine? Yeah, good. 333 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. If there was one thing 334 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: where you could get, if you could get the car 335 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: of your dreams for the holidays, what would it be? 336 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh boy, that is a hard one to answer. There's 337 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: so much coming out now. I'm not trying to sidestep this, 338 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: uh if I right now not not being greedy crazy, 339 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I wanted Bugatti or something like that. 340 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: I would love a core Oft Geo six, but I 341 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: would settle for on the electric side, something like that 342 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: new Lucid or one of the new battery electric pickups, 343 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: which by the way, I have an order in for one, 344 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: which what model the lightning Now and before we let's 345 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: let's go here, and then I want to go back 346 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: to the question we have before the break. Um that 347 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: F one fifty battery electric has the ability to power 348 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: a else. Oh yeah, this is one of the new things. Uh. 349 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 1: I don't know how much how much you've caught up 350 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: from some of the releases in the recent days. So 351 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: one of the things electrics can do is uh, they 352 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: they many of them are getting what's called V two 353 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: L or vehicle to load. So let's say your house 354 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: you get a blackout or brown out. Uh, instead of 355 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: putting a generator in, you could take power out of 356 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: battery pack. Now. Uh, most of the cars you can 357 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: set how much you will allow it to draw down 358 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: because what you don't want to do is have a 359 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: lengthy blackout like the ones we have in Detroit all 360 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: the time. Thank you DT. Uh let's call those guys out. Uh. 361 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: But you know, let's say you're hoping it's just a 362 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: short black black or brown out an hour or three, 363 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: and you don't want your refrigerator to warm up in 364 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: the like. Uh. You can plug into into a number 365 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: of vehicles and new Nissan Aria will have V two 366 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: L capability. UM, and that's going to be commonplace. But 367 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: Ford just announced that they will also have the ability 368 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: to let you charge up another e V for some reason. 369 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: You're out in the field and somebody is saying, oh 370 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: my god, I'm out of power. Well, you can plug 371 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: your e V into theirs and they can draw a 372 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, they can siphon a little bit 373 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: of the battery away from you. Uh. Depending on the vehicle, 374 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: it can be anywhere from ten to twenty miles in 375 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: about an hour, so not a lot, but it would 376 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: be enough in many cases to get them home or 377 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: to one of the quick charges that are starting to 378 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: pop up all over the country. Have to get you 379 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: out of the wood, so to speak, and get you 380 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: someplace safe. So go back to our original question. Is 381 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: this the beginning of the muscle car wars of the sixties? Yep, 382 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: it sure is. Uh. I don't know if you caught 383 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: the news from Dodge recently, but the hell Cat is 384 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: going away. They are dropping the Health Cat engine. I 385 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: have been talking with their engineers. I know a lot 386 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: of the folks on that team, and they've been hinting 387 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: to me more and more to me each year that 388 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: they're running into trouble making it work. They have to 389 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: keep it growing, you know, if you it's like a shark. 390 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: The muscle car wars are like like sharks, you have 391 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: to keep swimming and getting better or you die. And 392 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: they're pretty much getting to the point where UH to 393 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: get any really significant additional power out of an internal 394 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: combustion engine means you've got to start doing crazy things 395 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, if you want to get 396 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: that that UH Challenger or charger health Cat up to 397 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: a thousand horsepower, which is where they're heading, you're starting 398 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: to talk about Bagotti pricing so that that's really a 399 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: dead end for them, and instead Dodges plan to bring 400 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: out a plug in hybrid in We don't know a 401 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: lot about it, but I expect it will be right 402 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: up there in the range of of what the Healthcat 403 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: can do. And there's going to be an all electric 404 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: from Dodge. Again, they're being very secretive about this. My 405 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: my gut tells me it's going to be an electrified 406 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: Challenger coming out about the same time that the the 407 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: health Cat engine does its farewell. Let me ask you this, Paul, 408 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: and you've got your finger on the pulse of this. 409 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: I I respect your opinion about the electrics as much 410 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: as anybody's out there do you think you know they're 411 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: saying by thirty five complete electrification. I'll keep using that 412 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 1: term to you know, new model your cars. Can they 413 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: do it? Can it? Can it be achieved? I think 414 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to go a battery electric you 415 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: know where you're running on nothing but battery electric. Uh, 416 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: barring new rules, federal rules that say you can't have 417 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: an internal combustion engine in the vehicle. UH. I would 418 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: expect that Toyota is somewhat right that we will continue 419 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: to see a good mix of hybrids and plug in hybrids. 420 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Toyota is right in the numbers they 421 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: they expect to go into the thirties with hybrids dominating 422 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: and battery electric vehicles still maybe of the market. UH. 423 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: The exact number you can't predict, because tell me what 424 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: the new technology is like. Ford next year, BMW next 425 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: year will start testing the new solid state batteries. Those 426 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: could if they can scale them up to automotive size, 427 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: Those could give you more range or smaller batteries for 428 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: the same range. They could give you charging times where 429 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: you can do a complete charge up in about ten 430 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes. All of a sudden, you're competitive there, 431 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: and prices could drop by as much as two thirds. Well, 432 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: let's see what happens. You've got you can get performance 433 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: like a muscle car. You have no transmission, so you 434 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about the gear. It's just this 435 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: beautiful acceleration from zero to if you want, you can 436 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: go as long as you want. You're going to have 437 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: a network of charging stations all over the US. Plus 438 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: most people charge at home anyway. Uh, and prices start 439 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: coming down where gas models have to cost more to 440 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: meet emission standards and electrics costs less. That's the sort 441 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: of formula that if if it all comes out that way, 442 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: means electric will be the vehicle of choice. If which 443 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: is the dominant question, right, if it happens that way, 444 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: think about what's happened in the last decade, the difference 445 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: between when the Nissan Leaf came out and what we 446 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: have now, and that's just the beginning. You know, what 447 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: I like to say, is happening right now is very 448 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: similar to what happened years ago. Let's let's take the 449 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: listeners and you back to around nineteen ten, nine five 450 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: for a decade there. What happened? Number one, you had 451 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: the first relatively mainstream vehicles forward with the first Model T, 452 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: which was still being handbuilt. You remember, you had the 453 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: first electric starter, you had the first electric lights. Okay, 454 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: you started having heat in the vehicle. Uh. You know, 455 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: you start having somewhat closed bodies. Uh. And then you 456 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: had the assembly line, which brought prices down so anybody 457 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: could afford a new vehicle. And on top of that, 458 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: you had spindle Top, which was the first gusher in Texas. 459 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, cheap oil gasolene was everywhere. 460 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: Remember back in nineteen o five to nineteen ten, there 461 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: were more electrics and steam cars and there were gasoline. 462 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: It was all those things coming together that suddenly made 463 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: gasoline the power train of choice. Well, you've got a 464 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: lot of things coming together right now. I just listed 465 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch. Yeah, and we'll see. That means that 466 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: we could get there. We could, we could, you know what, 467 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: Let's continue this on the other side of the break. 468 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: I'm Rondonading in the car Doctor. I'm here today with 469 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: Paul Eisenstein, my co host as it seems, and we 470 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: love having him. He's just so great. I always enjoyed 471 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: talking with Paul from the Detroit Bureau dot Com. We'll 472 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: both be back right after this. Don't go away, blucome back. 473 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Weren't nating the car doctor, I'm here today, Paul Eisenstein 474 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: at the Detroit Bureau. Paul, you know, don't misunderstand my 475 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 1: inflection or tone regarding the possibility of the electric car future. 476 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm not even considering the range, the performance, you know, 477 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: will people buy them and so forth. I'm talking about 478 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: I read a story two weeks ago on NBC News. 479 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: They talked about things such as how they're changing the 480 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: mining of nickel um. I think that was my story. 481 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: Was that your story? Yeah, if I remember that, the 482 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: one you're talking about, I believe is mine. I write 483 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: for NBC as well. And and just so you'll understand, 484 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: I've become much more upbeat about EVIS. But I can 485 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: also tell you all the problems that they face, and 486 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that there. There are a lot 487 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: of issues yet to be dealt with. It is not 488 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: as as optimistic as I am. It's not a fate accompany. 489 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: We still have to see a lot of things. One 490 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: of the one of the big challenges is coming up 491 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: with we're all materials, making sure that we aren't continuing 492 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: to be dependent on countries like China. The the article 493 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: that you wrote, that article the I'm talking about it 494 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: was the rainforest was so big. I'm I remember the 495 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: exact numbers the rainforest, the size of the mine, and 496 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: the rainforest was for football fields and they wanted to 497 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: expand it. The forty or some crazy number. Was that 498 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: you Was that your story? No, that was a different one. 499 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure which one you were talking about. But yeah, 500 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: I've written about that issue before, um and and and 501 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: by the way, that's that's one of the concerns. One 502 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: of the conundrums that that a lot of people are 503 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: facing is, all right, we want to get battery electric 504 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: vehicles out there to deal with the environmental problems we're facing, 505 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: But how do we not create an entirely different environmental 506 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: problem when we go mining for the chemicals. Well, it 507 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: is creating some very creative solutions. Now. For one thing, 508 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: we're starting to see automakers and battery manufacturers set up recycling. 509 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: In just the last few weeks, Toyota has said that 510 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: they will be recycling use batteries. Forward General Motors, Volkswagen, Mercedes, 511 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think of who else, But a 512 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: lot of automakers are saying that they are going to 513 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: do battery recycling. That's important, and what that means is 514 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: at some point, uh, you will need very little raw 515 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: material because plus percent of the metals, whether it be cobalt, steel, aluminum, 516 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: or all important lithium, will be able to be reused. Uh. 517 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: The other thing is finding new places to get lithium, 518 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: both away from places like China, which we can't necessarily 519 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: count on, but also that are environmentally friendly. One of 520 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: the most interesting Have you ever been out to southern 521 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: California by the Salt and Sea? Okay, it's it's essentially 522 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: a man made lake, giant lake in the south of California, 523 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: not far from Palm Springs, and there's a long story 524 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: about how it developed. But underneath it there's a lot 525 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: of geo thermal energy and so you get a lot 526 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: of of brine water that they can bring up from 527 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: underneath the sea, hot brine water, and it turns out 528 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: that brine water is absolutely loaded with lithium. So General 529 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: Motives is working with a company that will that is 530 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: developing a technique where they can bring the water up, 531 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: extract the brine and then everything goes back into the wells, 532 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: it recirculates underground, and then when it comes back up again, 533 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: it brings more lithium with it. Well that's the technology 534 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: we want. Okay, listen in the closing thirty seconds, you 535 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: got thirty seconds, what car does? What card does? Polyize? 536 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: And stein one for Christmas? Oh remember I was saying 537 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: I'd take that zero six and the heartbeat, but I'd 538 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: also go for that lucid dream and I'm waiting for 539 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: my lightning. So there are three that I'd love to have. Okay, Well, 540 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna put that on your list for next year. 541 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: And now when I go see Santa next year, I'm 542 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: gonna see if you can drop one of those off 543 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: for you. All Right, Hey, I'm gonna be just like 544 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: a little kid when I see Santa. You can get 545 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: one of those of my driveway. You never know, Santa 546 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: can do a lot of things. Paul, I gotta tell you, 547 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: it's been a great year with you. We really appreciate 548 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: you here at the Car Doctor, and we love you 549 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: taking the time. You are a source of of your 550 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge and a source that we cannot replace. 551 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: And I just want to take the moment for you. 552 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: Me and Tom we just want to tell you that, UM, 553 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: we really appreciate it. We wish you guys the best 554 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: of how many time? So well, thank yeah, thanks, that's 555 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: that's I'm sorry I'm talking over you. That's wishes to 556 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: you and to the listeners, and I look forward to 557 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: being back with you in the new year. Well you 558 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: will be in the listeners love having you too, So 559 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: be well. Paul, we'll talk to you again real soon. 560 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: Take it. You're too. Welcome by bye. I'm running any 561 00:32:43,320 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: and the car Doctor and we'll be back right after this. Hey, 562 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: welcome back. We're on needing the car Doctor. You know. 563 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: That was um, that was quite the hour with Paul Eisenstein. 564 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: As always, I enjoy speaking with them. UM. One of 565 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: the things that we all have to keep in mind, 566 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: and and you know, we're talking about electric vehicles and 567 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: I guess that's become the new uh, that's become the 568 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: new gig as we all look forward to it in 569 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: the new year. Is just the practicality of it. Look, 570 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: we we want the new technology, we want the new vehicles. 571 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: We want that to happen. I was just reading an article, 572 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: um by from research Kathy that pointed out and talked 573 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: about the issues with regard to um charging and charging stations, 574 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: and not here in Israel, of all places. Israel has 575 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: a problem with electric vehicles. There's two and thirty four 576 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: thousand rechargeable vehicles in Israel right now, and they've got 577 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: somewhere around a thousand charging stations. So the problem is 578 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: they can't find enough electricity to keep the vehicles running, 579 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: and it is forcing them to their running the power 580 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: courts to charge the vehicles out there living room windows. Um. 581 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: You know what, can I tell you? It's it just 582 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: seems to be the way that it's going. It's uh, 583 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: you hope that technology can keep up. I hope that 584 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: some of what Paul says will happen. UM. I respect 585 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: his opinion more than you can imagine. And UM, I 586 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: just keep looking at it from a mechanic perspective of saying, 587 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: you know what, it's I've heard the engineers tell me 588 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: how this is gonna work, and that's gonna work. I 589 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: spent the career listening to the next great car that's 590 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: gonna appear. You know what. They kept me busy for 591 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: the better part of forty five almost fifty years repairing cars. Uh. 592 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: You know, they've always talked about the car that will 593 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: never break. I never saw that in my career either, 594 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: So I'm just taking what I see with a grain 595 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: of salt. Hey, as we wind things down this year, 596 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: this is our last broadcasts, our last broadcast. Yeah, this 597 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: is our last broadcast of the year as we get 598 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: ready for New Year's will be here live uh next weekend, 599 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: um with you guys, will be here you live on 600 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: New Year's Day, and I just want to say it's 601 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: been a real pleasure. We've really enjoyed being with you 602 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: and Tom, and I look forward to it. I know that, 603 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: um uh, you know, I couldn't ask for a better gig. 604 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: I consider myself on the luckiest guys in the world. 605 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: I get the fixed cars five days a week and 606 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: come up here and fixing with you on the sixth, 607 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: and I guess in the seventh because I do kind 608 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: of think about it on Sunday too. So I'm just 609 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: thinking about cars all the time. And that's the best 610 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: part of it, being here to do that and being 611 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: here with you. So until the next time, thank you, 612 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 1: Happy holidays, Happy New Year, safe and healthy. I'm running 613 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: eating in the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, 614 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: they're priceless. Let's see you