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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by cores Light. John Schmilk Lands me out with you

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Speaker 1: at two, A, one, nine, four or five three. Lance

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Speaker 1: meadow uh hashtag Giant chat on Twitter if you want

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Speaker 1: amazing Giants Prizes. Lance Alot, how are you, sir A.

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Speaker 1: Everything's okay, And obviously the NFL Free Agent Bonanza is

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Speaker 1: not yet begun. That begins the second week of March,

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Speaker 1: but we got kind of the early stages. This week

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Speaker 1: is the first time teams are able to put their

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Speaker 1: franchise tags on player. Not a lot of actions yet,

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Speaker 1: mostly because they have until March fifth to do it,

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Speaker 1: so still a lot of time here, Lance for things

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Speaker 1: to happen. No reason to panic everyone, Solos reports yesterday

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Speaker 1: there's no reason to leave the hippopotamus in the room

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Speaker 1: and ignore him. So why not? I thought you'd go

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Speaker 1: with elephants. I went hippo. I like it. I like

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Speaker 1: because hippos are grumpier and this thing kind of annoyed

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Speaker 1: me only because folks, here's the bottom line. The Giants

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Speaker 1: and in the Collins in the exact same situation today

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Speaker 1: that they were and yesterday and two days agoing three

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Speaker 1: days before that. Nothing's changed. He's going to be a

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Speaker 1: free agent when the new league gear starts in March.

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Speaker 1: Him and the Giants, we'll talk about contracts. The Giants

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Speaker 1: have the right to franchise tag him if they want

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Speaker 1: big surprise, the player wants a big contract with guaranteed money,

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Speaker 1: every like every player doesn't on on the planet. It's

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Speaker 1: not a surprise, and the two sides will negotiate and

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Speaker 1: we'll see if anything comes of it. It's really that simple.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the negotiating process. It happens every single

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Speaker 1: year leading up to the beginning of free agency. And

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Speaker 1: then if a player is given the franchise tag John,

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Speaker 1: then those teams and those players have until July fift

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Speaker 1: tammer out a long term deal. So we're a long

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Speaker 1: way in terms of the game of speculation before people

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Speaker 1: start drawing the lines, and so far that I understand.

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Speaker 1: This is the time to speculate because there's no games,

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Speaker 1: and everybody is invested in pending free agents and scheduled

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Speaker 1: free agents, and trying to determine is there a future

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Speaker 1: with the team, Are they're gonna be moved and so forth?

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Speaker 1: But right now it's just a game. Is reculation that

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Speaker 1: there's not much substance, there's not much fact, there's not

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Speaker 1: much stock behind a lot of these reports. I just

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Speaker 1: think this is the machine known as the NFL off season,

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Speaker 1: and we're all invested in it because we put a

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Speaker 1: lot of time and effort in following games in and

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Speaker 1: out throughout the season. People are dying for a story.

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Speaker 1: That's really all this is at this point. But I

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Speaker 1: would not read too much into anything. Once we get

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Speaker 1: to deadlines and dates that actually matter, that's when I

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Speaker 1: think he actually have something to talk about. All right.

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Speaker 1: We have a new list that came out um just

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Speaker 1: the other day. S I and uh Andy ben Wah,

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Speaker 1: their film study guy put down his top one hundred

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Speaker 1: free agent list, and I thought that would be might

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Speaker 1: be a good place to start on Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: Live today, and then we'll get to your calls again

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Speaker 1: at two and one, four, five, one three. And it

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Speaker 1: should surprise nobody that the top of the list is

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Speaker 1: full of many many defensive players, and many defensive players

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Speaker 1: throw a real quick shall we top guy in the Listen?

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Speaker 1: This guy is actually topped most list. That's DeMarcus Lawrence Dallas,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive end. The Cowboys can franchise him for a

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Speaker 1: second time this year, but I imagine both sides in

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Speaker 1: Most guys do want long term deals with you were

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Speaker 1: just talking about last year. He was very willing, though

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Speaker 1: because he had another solid year, absolutely saying to himself, hey, listen, Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I've proved it, not once but twice that I can

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any crime in the Cowboys giving him

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Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt from their perspective. They want to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: and they'll probably spend that on most of their own players.

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Speaker 1: I would not expect the big splash and fragency with

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Speaker 1: the player outside that organization. The next two guys are

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Speaker 1: players that I think lands are likely to be franchise

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Speaker 1: in one way, shape or form. Jadeveon Clowney, the edge

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Speaker 1: healthy Jarrett. I really don't think that's an issue. I

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Speaker 1: would not put Jarrett among the elite defensive tackles in

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Speaker 1: the league, but he has shown flashes that he could

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Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. We saw what he did against

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Speaker 1: Former first round pick, he might be really looking to

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Speaker 1: the Shaun Watson there, Uh did Hopkins get his money yet,

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Speaker 1: why is he coming up? I don't remember when did

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Speaker 1: he saw in his last contract. That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Hopkins certainly is going to be due for another contract shortly,

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Speaker 1: they're that much more of a dangerous team. And when

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Speaker 1: you saw that balance. Then Fuller went down, they tried

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Speaker 1: Then we talked about Landon Collins. We know about his strengths,

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Speaker 1: he's shown some ability in Atlanta. He's never had to

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Speaker 1: which is a lot of young guys in the draft

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Speaker 1: don't think it's worth the investment when so many other

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Speaker 1: of pass rushers, Frank Clark and Trey Flowers, both only

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Speaker 1: twenty five years old. Clark had a breakout year for Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine they're gonna let him walk out the door.

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Speaker 1: He seems very much like a player the s us

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Speaker 1: done a nice job. Trey Flowers doesn't rack up the

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Speaker 1: came for New England last year. Yeah, New England, he

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Speaker 1: the Giants tied for thirty. So New England was not,

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Speaker 1: Flowers was an integral part of their front. And it'll

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Speaker 1: be very interesting, John, because New England's not the type

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Speaker 1: of team that retains its free agents very often. So

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Speaker 1: New England fields they can build around him, or with

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Speaker 1: a class that we just talked about has a great

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Speaker 1: deal of depth on the defensive line, maybe New England says, hey,

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Speaker 1: we can find his replacement. I mean, when I think

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Speaker 1: about New England locking up players, it's hard to even

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Speaker 1: come up with five guys in recent history that they said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we want to bring him back. You

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Speaker 1: just Tom Brady don't come to mind. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't even know if you put Brady in

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Speaker 1: that category. Rob Gronkowski given Grigkowski maybe one other than that. Mccordy,

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Speaker 1: they they given Gilmore an extension yet the corner? I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. Right, that's a good question, because he

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Speaker 1: it revis or go back to taigh Law. That's someone

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Speaker 1: I think maybe could be a guy that they, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of lock up long term. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: they have locked him. Gilmore they signed to a five

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Speaker 1: restoring at three four defense. That's gonna be something to monitor.

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Speaker 1: But Buchanan is a guy that you know has been

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Speaker 1: moved around between safety and linebacker. He's versatile. To your point,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some chatter about the Giants because of

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Speaker 1: his familiarity with Betcher. But do they go down the

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Speaker 1: road of a Josh Morrow again John or a Kareem

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Speaker 1: Martin who was brought in because of their familiarity with

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Speaker 1: the scheme. So does Buchanan topped the list for the

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Speaker 1: Giant It's I wouldn't rule it out, but I also

436
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Speaker 1: think Arizona is going to say, hey, we're restoring at

437
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Speaker 1: three four defense now we can get him back to

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Speaker 1: the level that he played two years ago. Our poll

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Speaker 1: question at at Giants on Twitter will the Giants add

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Speaker 1: more offensive or defensive players in free agency? Right now?

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Speaker 1: Defense winning at sixty four to thirty sixth I think

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Speaker 1: Lance and I both agree with that as well, So

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Speaker 1: continue to vote in the poll, will track it over

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Speaker 1: the course of the show. I will take your tweets

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Speaker 1: later on in the so, so make sure you get

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Speaker 1: him into hashtag Giants chatter. Tweet at myself at schmellk

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Speaker 1: or at Lance Meadow m E. D Ow on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I do it for you. Very important caveats. I see

449
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Speaker 1: some new names on the calling screening board here. I'm

450
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Speaker 1: excited to see that. So let's start with Shawn and California.

451
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Speaker 1: Who's been holding the longest. What's up Shawnee? Hey? What's up? John?

452
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Speaker 1: What's up? Lants? Long time? No talk? What's going on? Um? Yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to find out some two things. Well,

454
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Speaker 1: first you want to go over some free agencies and

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Speaker 1: then UM want I kind of feel like how should

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Speaker 1: be attack kid? And I kind of just want to

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Speaker 1: go into the draft. Get your guys opinion on it. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's rumors out there about landing Collins

459
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Speaker 1: cleaning out his block, and I go on Twitter, I

460
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Speaker 1: meaning some of these Giants fans. Most of it is.

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Speaker 1: Most of it is good, but a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is hey, and I'm like, come on, guys, there's another rumor.

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Speaker 1: Nothing said in Stone yet. Um. The only reason I

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Speaker 1: see why we wouldn't pick him up is I was doing,

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Speaker 1: you know, some research, and and he's not He's not

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Speaker 1: fast enough for the scheme that they're trying to want

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Speaker 1: on defense, like David David Um sorry not David James Gretchen.

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Speaker 1: He needs like a fast safety. He wants to he

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Speaker 1: wants the safety to get to the ball really fast.

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Speaker 1: Lanning Collins had a breakout seasons a couple of seasons ago,

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Speaker 1: but you had to drop off in performance. He's injury prone.

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Speaker 1: We try to meet like a lockdown corner. He's a

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Speaker 1: really good he's a really good sorry safety. He's a

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Speaker 1: really good safe, and I really do want to keep him,

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Speaker 1: But I kind of felt like the way that Dames

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Speaker 1: is trying to shape his defense, Landing Collins doesn't really

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Speaker 1: fit in. He's more like in a box safety where

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Speaker 1: he kind of means a sideline into sideline. Put him

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Speaker 1: out there and cover the whole field and pressure of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and hopefully the quarterback makes a bad choice

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Speaker 1: and our safety can pick it up. In that, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to get into two names. How much would

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Speaker 1: the cost We'll be able to grab them both if

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Speaker 1: we don't sign Landing Collins, if we don't franchise landing Collins.

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Speaker 1: How would you feel about us attacking really attacking l

486
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Speaker 1: Thomas and Honey Badger, both of them, I know their

487
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Speaker 1: free safeties, but Honey Badger also created um cornerback in

488
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Speaker 1: Arizona and he's been into his vetter defense. And on

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Speaker 1: top of that, attacking Dante Moncrief twenty five years old,

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Speaker 1: six too wide receiver to fail up starting shelf with

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram and over e J and on on top

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Speaker 1: of it, getting into the draft too fast. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a lot of time get into the draft.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that, Um, there's a trash stand coming

495
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Speaker 1: after you. Just get inside for you, yess can help

496
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Speaker 1: me a little bit better. Yeah, we got we got you.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hard for Eli Manning to throw

498
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Speaker 1: the ball when you get stacked forty seven times. It's

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Speaker 1: easy for the media to out man and let me

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Speaker 1: get tacked forty seven times. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: last ending forty games six games of the season, Eli

502
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Speaker 1: Manning was the offensive line was getting the proper blocks.

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning was getting the you know, the proper reads

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Speaker 1: and getting the ball out. You know, yes, he's inconsistent

505
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Speaker 1: and guess a mobile quarterback, you know you could help

506
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Speaker 1: inconsistent offensive line via Kylo Murray. I believe Column is

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Speaker 1: a special player, but I believe if we shouldn't have

508
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Speaker 1: to reach for a quarterback if you don't need it.

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Speaker 1: But christianly doing is the draft. There's an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a white tackle, but his

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Speaker 1: name is I believe out of Florida he can You

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Speaker 1: guys can talk more about him. Thomas and Honey Badger

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Speaker 1: and Dante Montrees. Thank you. I'll take the answer of

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Speaker 1: appreciate it all right, Um, what do you want to

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Speaker 1: start lines? Take your poison? I mean, I'll eliminate. I

516
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Speaker 1: don't think the Johns are gonna take caylin Bury, So

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't think we need to hash

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Speaker 1: that out. We spent a lot of time on previous programs.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's the fit of the type

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Speaker 1: of quarterback they've invested in previously. So I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: rule anything out this early. But based off history, I

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Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I mean, as far

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Speaker 1: as the safety position is concerned, regardless of what happens

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Speaker 1: with Landon Collins, John, you can argue the Giants are

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Speaker 1: gonna look to upgrade free safety or perhaps you know,

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Speaker 1: look at their options in free agency and the draft.

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Speaker 1: Curtis Riley was there, they moved him around. Michael Thomas

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Speaker 1: proved to be valuable, but he also played someone in

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Speaker 1: the slot. So are they gonna look to rely on

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Speaker 1: a veteran or are they gonna go into free agency?

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Speaker 1: I mean to say, to bring up other safeties and say, well,

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Speaker 1: they're free safeties are not strong safeties. I would argue

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Speaker 1: the safety position overall is a position where the Giants

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Speaker 1: should focus on both ends this offseason, whether it be

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Speaker 1: through the draft or free age. So I wouldn't rule

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Speaker 1: out any of the candidates at that position. No. I

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Speaker 1: would be surprised though, if they end up spending big

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Speaker 1: money on two players at that position, just because there

539
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Speaker 1: are so many other needs elsewhere. But yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: you need a safety that can play the box and

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Speaker 1: you need a safety that completely deep. You need two

542
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Speaker 1: different types of players. Landing is obviously the guy that

543
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Speaker 1: plays better to the line of scrimmage. He's not your

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Speaker 1: center fielder type. That's the type of guy the Giants

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Speaker 1: will be looking for theoretically in f agency or the draft,

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Speaker 1: depending on what happens. Obviously with Landon so Earl Thomas

547
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Speaker 1: is that guy. But like we talked about we went

548
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Speaker 1: through the free agents, I would just tread very carefully

549
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Speaker 1: there with his injury history of the last few years

550
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Speaker 1: and frankly, based on his whole contract deal with the

551
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Speaker 1: Seahawks last year, doesn't sound like he's a guy that's like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'll take a discount to complay for you.

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Speaker 1: Don't see that happening either. Yeah, he wanted more money,

554
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Speaker 1: that was, yeah, one of the issues. So do you

555
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Speaker 1: really want to bring in another headache or do you

556
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Speaker 1: want to lock up that much money? To your point

557
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Speaker 1: in one position? Now, the franchise tag is always an

558
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Speaker 1: option with Landon Collins, so you know they could at

559
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Speaker 1: least solidify him for one year and then determine where

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Speaker 1: they want to go. And there are other quality safety

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Speaker 1: free age. But here's another thing to keep in mind, John.

562
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Speaker 1: Remember last year the safety market did not pan out

563
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Speaker 1: the way most free agent safety is expected. It tore

564
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Speaker 1: It took a while for a lot of those veterans

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Speaker 1: to be signed. Teams waited for the draft, or is

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Speaker 1: it gonna follow a similar game plan? This obvious, and

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Speaker 1: if anything, I think that votes very well for most

568
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Speaker 1: teams that are in the interest of looking for his safety.

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Speaker 1: If not, you know, then perhaps it changes the mindset

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Speaker 1: of the Giants. But if it's going to be a

571
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Speaker 1: repeat of last year, a lot of safeties did not

572
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Speaker 1: get big money, or at least the type of money

573
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Speaker 1: they anticipated or hoped, because the free agent market completely

574
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Speaker 1: developed differently. I think that was all his points. Do

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Speaker 1: we missed anything trying to see he did bring up

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Speaker 1: with respect to the offensive line, Yeah, look about right tackle.

577
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Speaker 1: The whole right side of the offensive line has to

578
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Speaker 1: be better. You know, you want to bring jim On

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Speaker 1: Brown back. Okay, he's not you know, he's not like

580
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Speaker 1: an all Pro caliber player. Uh. Center, We'll see what

581
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Speaker 1: they do. Spencer Polly was solid second half of the year,

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Speaker 1: he was okay. Uh. They like John how Apeo a

583
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Speaker 1: whole lot. So, But would they rule out an upgraded

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Speaker 1: that position if the right guys out there and freightinge

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Speaker 1: to the draft. I would say probably not. But look,

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Speaker 1: everyone knows the often has to be more consistent. It

587
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: got better in the second half of the year because

588
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Speaker 1: they didn't ask them to pass protect quite as much,

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Speaker 1: especially at a shotgun and things of that, and they

590
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: each a lot more play action, not as many straight

591
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: dropbacks and all that sort of stuff, so you still

592
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: need to do work there, especially on the right side.

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Speaker 1: I think you're pretty happy with Nate Solden, Will Hernandez.

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00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: They're gonna be there for a while together, and then

595
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: you figure out the rest as you go. Oh, there's

596
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: a few offensive linemen in the draft, and they could

597
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: very well go in that direction. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this crop of free agents John is as strong as

599
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Speaker 1: perhaps some previous years. And let's face it, top offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this time and time again, are always retained

601
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Speaker 1: by their respective teams. They don't hit the free agent bar,

602
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Speaker 1: and if they do, they get paid an awful lot

603
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Speaker 1: of money. So the players that are gonna hit the

604
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: free agent market are usually journeyman John, players that have

605
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Speaker 1: moved from team to team, or a player coming off

606
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Speaker 1: a breakout campaign and looking to cash in. But there's

607
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: not always that consistent factors, So you've got to be

608
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Speaker 1: cautious when you go after a free agent offensive lineman

609
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Speaker 1: to see was it a flash or is it somebody

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Speaker 1: that's a really good fit for our system. That's why

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Speaker 1: more often than not, teams choose to develop youngsters and

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Speaker 1: feel they can get a bargain on a rookie contract

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Speaker 1: to one five one three. Let's go to the line.

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Speaker 1: Three Kevin and North Carolina Matt Kevin, what's up? How

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Speaker 1: are you guys doings? For the first time called Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for calling Kevin? What's up? Yeah? Is the one

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Speaker 1: that touched on Eli Manning. A lot of people tell

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Speaker 1: us that are elies washed up and all of that. Well,

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Speaker 1: if they look at the beginning of the season, in

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season and the second half

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Speaker 1: of the season, I think he made a lot of

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Speaker 1: the throws and he can make because he had the

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Speaker 1: time to make the throws. The offensive line played better,

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Speaker 1: the running game was better. So I don't think that

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Speaker 1: we really need to really press for a quarterback right

626
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Speaker 1: now or reach for one. Well, Kevin, here's the thing,

627
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: no one ever sees any shades agree at the line Manning.

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Speaker 1: Is he the same guy that he was in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eleven? No? Can you still make all the throws? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Does he do it as consistently consistently as he used

631
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: to know? Probably not, But that doesn't mean if you

632
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: put the right pieces around them, you kill stick. You

633
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: still can't win with the guy. Do they have to

634
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Speaker 1: get a quarterback this offseason, no matter what? No, But

635
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: and this is a big butt with a capital B

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Speaker 1: U T T all right, you're gonna have to do

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Speaker 1: something the next year or two because Eli is almost

638
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Speaker 1: forty years old, so you're gonna have to figure something

639
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: out of that spot. Sometimes too, yep. In our defense, man,

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Speaker 1: we had a lot of those games won in the

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Speaker 1: second half of the season. The Cowboys game, the Eagles games,

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Speaker 1: uh what other one? Um, and they gave up, They

643
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Speaker 1: gave up the points. That wasn't Eli's fault. Eli played

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Speaker 1: well in those games and he put us in position

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Speaker 1: to win. We need talent on the defensive end of

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Speaker 1: the ball. So I think going into this draft, everybody's

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Speaker 1: saying get Haskins. I think for the sixth pick, we

648
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Speaker 1: need a pass rusher, a pass rusher big time. We

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Speaker 1: need safeties in linebackers. Defense is what I think we

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Speaker 1: should go in the draft. And I'll take the offline

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Speaker 1: Kevin Kevin, Kevin Kevin. Real quick, I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you a question. But if gentleman, and you know Chris

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Speaker 1: Pettit and the rest of the scoutings have in Pat

654
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Speaker 1: Shermer or decide that they think either Haskins or Murray

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Speaker 1: are their franchise quarterback. You wouldn't have a problem picking

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Speaker 1: him at SEX if they think he's good enough to

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Speaker 1: go there, would you? No? Not if they think we're

658
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Speaker 1: enough to go there. But everything more needs just the quarterback, No, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: no question. But thank you, Kevin, appreciate the call. But also,

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Speaker 1: once again, despite the fact that there are needs at

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Speaker 1: those positions that the callers said, you're also drafting for,

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Speaker 1: not just two thousand nineteen, Dave Gentleman is not going

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Speaker 1: into this draft saying, well, we need to add a

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Speaker 1: few more pass rushers, so let's just grab a pass rusher. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you feel that pass rusher is a guy that's

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Speaker 1: gonna thrive under his rookie contract and then worthy of

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Speaker 1: signing after that, then yes, go ahead. So they're thinking

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Speaker 1: big picture, they're not just thinking the short term. And

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Speaker 1: with respect to the quarterback, there's nothing wrong with saying

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning is still reliable, still productive, but at the

671
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Speaker 1: same time, we need to think about the future. You

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Speaker 1: can have both of those philosophies run in line with one,

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Speaker 1: and there has to be anything wrong with that, And

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Speaker 1: there has to be some level of urgency in terms

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Speaker 1: of the future too. It's not like, alright, three day,

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Speaker 1: three years down the world, we gotta figure something out.

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Speaker 1: You might have to figure something out next year, depending

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Speaker 1: on what happens, of course, because his contract is only

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Speaker 1: under contract for one more year and unless they extended,

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Speaker 1: he could very well be a lame duck quarterback going

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Speaker 1: through this season. And yes, then you're gonna have the

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Speaker 1: land of the unknown throughout the year entering two thousand twenties.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a little bit more urgency

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Speaker 1: compared to other teams. But I just think from a

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Speaker 1: philosophical standpoint, it's not bad to say Eli Manning could

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Speaker 1: still be productive, but at the same time, you have

687
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Speaker 1: to prioritize who's going to be your future quarterback. You

688
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Speaker 1: can take care of both of those at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And also you could say currently Eli Manning is the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback on the roster, but we also need to

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Speaker 1: think about what we're gonna do in two thousand to four.

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Speaker 1: Five on three hashtag Giants chat again. I will read

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Speaker 1: your tweets later on in the show, So make sure

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Speaker 1: you get him in at Schmilk Atlant Meadow or at

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Speaker 1: hashtag giants chet Julian and Florida online to Julian, Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: how you doing doing great? Julian? What's up? Not much, man,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've actually been on the show.

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Speaker 1: I think I got on the show. Um in the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Um. I have to take my

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Speaker 1: hat off to Jeff Eagles. I know he's not there now,

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Speaker 1: but you guys gotta let him know that some of

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Speaker 1: the fans were listening to him when before the season

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Speaker 1: started last year he looked at the schedule. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he was. I think he was on with

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Speaker 1: with Ruts and they were looking at the schedule, and

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Speaker 1: Russ was a little excited, saying, you know, we got

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Speaker 1: we had a good draft. We're gonna do We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do pretty decent this year. I don't you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: not the playoffs. We're gonna at least go, you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty good record. And Jeff Teagles was the only one

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Speaker 1: to say, I don't think we're gonna win the first

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Speaker 1: eight games. Well, I can were listening to that and saying, wow,

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Speaker 1: why is he being so negative. But look at that.

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Speaker 1: So hey, look we we we all knew going into

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Speaker 1: last year the first half of that season, the schedule

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Speaker 1: is gonna be really, really rough, and they basically had

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Speaker 1: to survive the first half of the season and go

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Speaker 1: three and five, let's say, and then you could try

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Speaker 1: to make a run in the second half of the year.

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Speaker 1: And if they would have done that, if they would

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Speaker 1: have went three and five in the first half, you're

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Speaker 1: looking at a seven and nine record, and you know

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Speaker 1: you were close into two games late in the year.

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Speaker 1: Who knows what happens. So yeah, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Figgs was probably right on and from the start of

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Speaker 1: the year he said, look, if they go in eight

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Speaker 1: this year, to me, that's a very good year. And

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Speaker 1: Fiegles was on top of that from the beginning last year.

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Speaker 1: And it also goes back to two thousand sixteen when

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Speaker 1: they did win eleven games and all the games that

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Speaker 1: went down to the wire that easily could have went

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Speaker 1: the opposite direction. I've said this time and time again,

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Speaker 1: that was an eleven win team. Nobody's taking anything away

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Speaker 1: from it, but it was far from a dominant eleven

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Speaker 1: win team. Everybod beating everybody by a touchdown or more

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Speaker 1: every single team each year, and again it swings in

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Speaker 1: some years one where the other. More more so than not,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win close games and they're gonna lose close games.

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Speaker 1: Usually those even out two around five hundred, maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit better for the better teams in the league,

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Speaker 1: worse for the worst teams in the league. That's why

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Speaker 1: teams get the records they get, because they're winning games

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Speaker 1: by a couple of touchdowns here or there there. Every

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Speaker 1: game is not going down to the wire because that's

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Speaker 1: when one bad play, random chance, bad luck, that can

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Speaker 1: sink a game either way. If you're playing close games

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Speaker 1: late fourth quarter, if you don't execute consistently, that's how

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Speaker 1: you get the record you get. And that's the beauty

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Speaker 1: of football, right gentlemen. Absolutely yeah. Um So besides that,

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Speaker 1: but what I do wanted to kind of cover. I

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Speaker 1: know you guys, uh got more of a show to do,

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Speaker 1: so UM, I'll just leave you some questions. Um, Olivier Vernon,

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Speaker 1: do you guys I feel like he is worthy to

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Speaker 1: keep Maybe we should cut pay pay cut trade him,

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Speaker 1: um kind of your opinion on that. And then also,

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Speaker 1: I have not listened to the show in a while,

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to ask what was your opinion

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Speaker 1: on number six pick at being a quarterback? Um, you,

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Speaker 1: from what I hear, it sounds like you guys are

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Speaker 1: not leaning towards that personally, that you guys would like

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Speaker 1: to go either online or defense. Correct. Sure, Julian, thanks

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Speaker 1: to a comment. We appreciate it. Um the quarterback question.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm more open to it than Lances at

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Speaker 1: this point. I think that would probably be fair to

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Speaker 1: say Lances more open the Haskins there than he would

766
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Speaker 1: be to Murray, just based on their body know you

767
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Speaker 1: just don't think that it's a fit for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: But I am a fan of Murray's play. But I

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Speaker 1: think Haskins is much more of a fit for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I think both guys are first round picks. I think

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Speaker 1: both guys are top twenty picks. I have not looked

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Speaker 1: at enough of the other players to figure out exactly

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Speaker 1: where they land in that top twenty top twenty five range.

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Speaker 1: I think Haskins has a higher floor but a lower ceiling.

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Speaker 1: I think Murray has the potential if he can figure

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Speaker 1: out the way Drew Brees has and the way Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson has to work around some of those issues and

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Speaker 1: you know, with the height, and then also to solve

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Speaker 1: some of those you know, fine tune quarterback problems he has.

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Speaker 1: And you know we had Derek Lassen on last week.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job breaking it down for us.

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Speaker 1: You know, bound on the pocket, too quick, um one

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Speaker 1: to read and bail. You know, that's with the stuff.

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Speaker 1: If he can get past that, he could be a

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Speaker 1: dynamite NFL quarterback with his arm strength, his accuracy, and

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Speaker 1: his mobility. He could be special. So I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: going back and forth year. Luckily don't have to make

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Speaker 1: my final decision for two more months, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Murray's tempting, and I think if I had to place

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Speaker 1: a bet right now, I think Murray gets drafted before

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Speaker 1: Haskins because I think a team is going to fall

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Speaker 1: in love with the raw physical tools in the upside

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Speaker 1: and say, boy, if you figure out how to use

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Speaker 1: this guy right, he could be like Pat Mahomes special.

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Speaker 1: It's possible both guys are even off the board before

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Speaker 1: the Giants six. And someone had a great stat Seventeen

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Speaker 1: in the last eighteen drafts, a quarterback has been taken

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Speaker 1: in the top three. So all it takes is that

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Speaker 1: one team to feel very strongly about that quarterback and

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Speaker 1: move up. In Arizona right now, I think it's playing

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Speaker 1: its cards right because of all the speculation about Rosen

802
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: makes teams take twice whether or not they should move up,

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Speaker 1: and if anything, Average want to wind up with a

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00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: nice group of selections, and they've got many needs. And

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00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: San Francisco has also said at quarterback, so that's another

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Speaker 1: team that probably would welcome multiple picks. To the question

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Speaker 1: is they want to give up on Nick Bosa, Well,

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Speaker 1: he's he He and Quinnon Williams are the two guys

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Speaker 1: that to me are separated from the rest of this group.

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Speaker 1: And one place three technique, which to me is turning

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Speaker 1: into just as and a premium position is defensive end

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Speaker 1: with the player of Aaron Donald and Flesher Cox and

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Speaker 1: guys like that. Pressure up the middle is so valuable,

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Speaker 1: and you nick Bosa, who's obviously the best pass rusher

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Speaker 1: in the draft. It is not close. So it's not

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Speaker 1: just you know, we don't need the quarterback, let's trade down,

817
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Speaker 1: it's who can we get if we trade down to

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Speaker 1: you know, thirteen, wherever they would go as compared to

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Speaker 1: Williams and Bosa. That's the trick. Do you miss out

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Speaker 1: on a game changing defensive player? And I would say

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Speaker 1: that San Francisco and Arizona are both in need of

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Speaker 1: upgrades on defense, so he makes sense both of those teams.

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Speaker 1: If you want to start to speculating, and if one

824
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Speaker 1: of them truly value Nick Bosa, then you just stay

825
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: there and you make the pick and you don't even

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Speaker 1: date twice and then let a team try to move up,

827
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Speaker 1: perhaps behind where you're selecting. But a lot is going

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Speaker 1: to be told based on how free agency plays out,

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Speaker 1: where some of these veteran quarterbacks go, and also what

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Speaker 1: the combine and the months leading up to the draft

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Speaker 1: do for some of these stocks. Because Murray and Haskins,

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna skyrocket, They're gonna have also their pro days,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna see stocks rise and fall. It always

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Speaker 1: happens like that to a one nine, four five, one

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Speaker 1: three that actually, do we want to address Vernon? That's right.

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Speaker 1: Question was about thank you as well? Great, well, I

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Speaker 1: think Vernon has still great value on this team. When

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Speaker 1: he was healthy in the second half of the season,

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Speaker 1: he produced he probably probably the best defensive eye test

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00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: showed that. So everybody who's in a hurry to get

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Speaker 1: rid of Olivier Vernon, my question back to you is

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Speaker 1: what's planned b for you? You show me how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna replace Vernon like that in the blink of an eye,

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Speaker 1: and don't tell me, well, you're gonna draft this guy,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna d f that guy. First of all, question

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00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: marks come with any draft picks, regardless of how great

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: they were in college. Vernon at least is a proven commodity.

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Speaker 1: He's been with the organization, he's under contract, you know

849
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Speaker 1: what he could do. I think there's value in keeping

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Speaker 1: him around because I don't see another pass rusher on

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Speaker 1: the roster that's going to provide his production and then

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Speaker 1: zone and you're gonna have to use the money you

853
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: save if you let him go to sign somebody else

854
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: that's not going to be as good as him. Still

855
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: cost your money though correct to go out again. So

856
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna have no cost savings and you're gonna have

857
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: a worse player. How is that going to help you?

858
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: And also the other thing I don't want to hear

859
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: is they don't want to hear that Vernon is plagued

860
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: by injuries. He goes through another season, John, he misses

861
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: the number of games, you know, then we could start

862
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: to maybe bring up that label. Vernon never missed a

863
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: game during his entire tenure with the Miami Dolphins. Okay,

864
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: he had the issue in terms of this past season

865
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: and at the talent of the previous year two ankle

866
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: injury's back to back here, But he then played full

867
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: slate of games his first year. So when you take

868
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: that into consideration, I would not automatically drop the label

869
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: on injury plague player not durable. Let's see what happens

870
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: assuming he stays with the team, and then we could

871
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: have that conversation. I still think it's extremely premature. I

872
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: got a bad feeling about this. I know I think

873
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: the shows as a result of that jokes. I am happy. Hello, Chuckles,

874
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: how are you hey? John? Hey Lands, Hey, my phone

875
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: is on low. Bad with to fight. That's good bye,

876
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: Get cut off. I'll call back on another phone, okay,

877
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: or we'll just wait for a future program. But anyway,

878
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: you might as well make it quite real quick here, Charlie.

879
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: Time is money. Okay, I'm gonna just talk about the

880
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: offensive line, right at this moment. Just what you said, Lance,

881
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, why do we always hold onto the bums

882
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: and keep them forever? But all pro bowled players we

883
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: want to get rid of. We want to at Collins Walk,

884
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: we want to trade. O'Day that that that that that

885
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: that that that the first of all, they're not trying

886
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: to trade at all. Beckham Jr. That wasn't the report.

887
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: That wasn't the story. If you read the actual reports

888
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: and the stories that were out there, other teams called

889
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: the Giants and Glazier had a prediction saying, I'm just

890
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: saying if we did what you're saying is in actually Storio,

891
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: it would be totally insanity if we ever did that. Well, yes, yes, yes, Charlie,

892
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: you are correct. If a team chooses to keep bad

893
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: players and get rid of their good ones, that's insanity.

894
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: But it's no question about that. I mean, it's all speculation, Charlie,

895
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: that's all I know. I'm saying, if that does happen,

896
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: it's insanity. Okay. Now the offensive line, just like it

897
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: would be insanity to resign will Beattie. But that's a

898
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: whole other and if anybody we were there's canor twelve

899
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and free agency that are better than Wheeler

900
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: really was ranked like now forty six points in the

901
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: Pro Footfall Focus, one of the worst in the league.

902
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: How the tune has changed. I remember two weeks after

903
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: chat Wheeler went in for Eric Flowers and it was like, oh,

904
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: the whole season's turned around, said Flower, Flowers out of

905
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: that spot. But he would have taken the bum across

906
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: the street from where he lives to play that position.

907
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: There can't be choosers when they were in Charlie's position. Yes, Okay,

908
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: let me name a few guys that are free agents

909
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: that we should be able to get names. Okay, there's

910
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: a guy at Pittsburgh called Matt Feeler. He Uh he

911
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: was a solid feeling for Marcus Gilbert when he was

912
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: injured last year. He's only twenty seven years old. Uh,

913
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: he would be a good guy to bring in. There's

914
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: a guy from the Redskin. He's thirty three kist nest

915
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: key um. But he played swing tackle and when Trent

916
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Williams went down, he played very well. He's the same

917
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: age as guess who will beat So I'm just saying

918
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: as a swing tackle. But and then you got James

919
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: out of Miami. You got Patriots has got to hang

920
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: on to James and there be stupid to let him go.

921
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: But and then there's also this guy George Fant out

922
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: of Seahawks, UH, crazy athletic ability. He needs to be

923
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: coached up. So that might not work for us since

924
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: we can't coach up any offensive lineman it seems. And

925
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: center position, you've got Matt Paradise out there. The guy

926
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: has been raised the top two centers in the league,

927
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and we need to bring him in. So how this

928
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: is how I fixed the line. Plipo has only played

929
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: two games at center. Let him compete against Trent Brown

930
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: for the right guard position now, and dear Williams is

931
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: out there, bring him and I know he has an injury,

932
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't hurt to bring him in and see

933
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: what he's got. So now you've got you've got the

934
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: center position with a great center and leader. And now

935
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: you have a right tackle, either Williams or James or

936
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: whoever you want to bring in and bring in a

937
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: veteran swing tackle. And Wheeler has gone. As far as

938
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm concerned that basically what you're telling me is that

939
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: you want to spend million one in the offensive line

940
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: and don't add any sudy on defense this offseason. I

941
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: want to finish this damn offensive line. Yeah, okay, sounds good.

942
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I understand where you're

943
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: coming from. Yeah, okay, take it easy, my friends. Hey,

944
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: look I get where he's coming from. On that, I do,

945
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: But great offensive to do a lot of good if

946
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: you score seven and the other team scoring thirty four. Well,

947
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: he named about five different offensive lineman. I'm guessing he misspoken.

948
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: He meant jim On Brown and not Trent Brown at

949
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: right guard, and he would come in all likelihood. That's

950
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: probably giving it the benefit of the doubt. I don't

951
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: know if I want to, but that would make a

952
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: lot more sand stand taking the Patriots starting left tackle

953
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: and bring him into play guard right guard. No, no,

954
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that, but that I wouldn't really anything passive.

955
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: And look, there are guys out there this free agent

956
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: class that can move in and play right tackle. And

957
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: generally speaking, despite the fact that I think right tackles

958
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: are just as important as left tackles, the market hasn't

959
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: seemed to catch up to that point yet. You can

960
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: tend to maybe get right tackles a little bit less

961
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: expensive than left tackle. So maybe a guy like Darry

962
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: Williams coming off a leg injury, you get him for

963
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: a little bit of a discount, and that will help

964
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: you be more flexible elsewhere. You know, who knows, We'll see.

965
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: But there are a few guys I think that can

966
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: help and be an upgrade at right tackle that are

967
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: on the frigent market. I don't think any of the

968
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: guys that are really good would be bargain basement because

969
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: tackles are never a bargain basement anymore. But there are

970
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: a number of guys out there that I think can

971
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: be upgrades. Charlie in that regard is correct, but I

972
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: would not bring in If you want to bring in

973
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: somebody to competed center, great, I will not bring in

974
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: a center you have to pay Western Richberg money to

975
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: like he got from it. I mean Mitch Morris, for example,

976
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: is going to be a free agent from the Chiefs.

977
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: They've got other priorities. And every time Dave Gentleman has

978
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: talked about hallape Oh, he's spoken very highly of him.

979
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: So it's pat Shermer. So I wouldn't just dismiss him.

980
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: I understand there's a little bit of the unknown coming

981
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: off the injury. But John, he got hurt in the

982
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: second game of the season at Dallas. By the time

983
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: the spring comes around, and we're gonna know a lot

984
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: more when these guys get back on the field where

985
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: he is in terms of his rehab. But I don't

986
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: think there's any threat that he wouldn't be ready for

987
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: the start of the two thousand nineteen season. I got

988
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: three colors to go. I want to get to your

989
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: Twitter questions, though first I try to do that around

990
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: forty five of every show, So Len, Tony, and Woody.

991
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: I will get to the three of you in that

992
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: order as soon as I go through some of the

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996
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: is signing with Dambu canon be His PFF scores outside

997
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: of fifteen have been less than mediocre. Um Gettleman signed

998
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Martin last year into the Cardinal see he says he

999
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out. I think free Martin was fine last year.

1000
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're expecting at and I thought

1001
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: what they asked him to do, he was fine. Would

1002
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: he try another former cardinal? Uh, it's a good question.

1003
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I think you Cannon is that faster running hit linebacker.

1004
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think he's an all pro level guy.

1005
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: I think you can get him, you know, on the

1006
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: cheap and then then on the cheaps the wrong warld,

1007
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: but you can get it for a more affordable price.

1008
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: He's a guy that's converted from safety linebacker. What are

1009
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Buchanan? There? We well. I brought up

1010
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: Buchanan earlier when we were going through the top one

1011
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: hundred free agents, and I said immediately he's got that

1012
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: connection to James Betcher. I don't know how much you

1013
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: could take away from two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen.

1014
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Excuse me, because, as I mentioned, he fell out of

1015
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: the rotation. Steve Wilks didn't really know what to do

1016
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: with him. It was a four three defense and he

1017
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: was a better fit for three four. So don't throw

1018
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: out any numbers you have for me. I really don't

1019
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: think it holds much stock. I would entertain it absolutely.

1020
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: Anybody who has familiarity with James Betcher's system. The whole

1021
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: point is he wants to implement his scheme. He wants

1022
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: players that know his scheme. He wants players that fitted

1023
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: to his scheme. If the price is right, that would

1024
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: be a player I would entertain. Betcher likes versatile, hybrid players.

1025
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: Buchanan was a hybrid player who thrived in his system.

1026
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Now we're assuming that he was happy with Buchan. We

1027
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: don't want for sure, but that's the assumption you're operating

1028
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: under there. Um and again, I think Cree Morton was

1029
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: fine last year. I think he was solid. I think

1030
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: he's a couple of rough games or in the year

1031
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: where he messed the world looked but by the way

1032
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: it looks like he messed up a couple of readoption

1033
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: players are in the year I looked into it, folks.

1034
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Wasn't his fault linebackers supposed to crawl around on those plays? Um.

1035
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: Probably the roughest for him was running into cam that

1036
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: that did not go well for He's a good dude though.

1037
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: I think Cream actually had a very solid year last year.

1038
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: I think he's exactly what you want for what they

1039
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: need get out of him and the guy like Josh

1040
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: Morrow after he served came back, So that's why I

1041
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: said there's value to having players that could come in

1042
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: and they're not learning a new scheme. If anything, they're

1043
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: helping the rest of the players on the Dylan Davis

1044
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: since the safety position has been a topic of interest,

1045
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts or m Dylan Davis, what are

1046
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Sean Chandler. Do you think he can

1047
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: have a shot at a starting role? His role increased

1048
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: as the season went along. I thought when they trusted

1049
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: him to cover in the slot, he actually did a

1050
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: pretty good job. I like him in that role more

1051
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: than I've seen him as kind of like that center

1052
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: fielder type spot, so I'd like to see more from him.

1053
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: He's obviously from a small program, he's raw, but I

1054
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: think he will be given the opportunity to compete for

1055
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: a role on this defense, maybe not in every down roll,

1056
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: but as a for a role in this defense this offseason.

1057
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: I think they're happy with how he grew as a rookie.

1058
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: He and both Michael Thomas were valuable because when guys

1059
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: went down v injury and they made some changes with

1060
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: Curtis Riley, they turned to those two and to your point,

1061
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: not only did Sean Chandler have the ability and move

1062
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: into the slot, so did Michael Thomas. So I think

1063
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: both of those players gonna have opportunities to be moved

1064
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: around within the defense. But I still think the Giants

1065
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: are going to look to add a new face into

1066
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: the secondary, specifically at the safety position. Alright, I got

1067
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: two questions from Booker. They're both kind of complex, So Booker,

1068
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one of these for tomorrow, and I'm

1069
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna hit this one with Lance. Now I'm not actually

1070
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: with both these with with Figles as well. All right,

1071
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: so Lance, I'll go this one with you. Could you

1072
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: guys compare and contrast the way that the top five

1073
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: teams build and maintain their rosters against the way that

1074
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: the bottom five teams try to build and maintain their roster.

1075
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: Are there two to three things top teams consist didn't

1076
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: lead do well. I've wrote about this a couple of

1077
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: weeks ago after the Super Bowl with the Patriots and

1078
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: their ability to turn over their roster, and what I love.

1079
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: The thing the Patriots do specifically is take advantage of

1080
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: compensatory picks. How they're not afraid to let a guy walk.

1081
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: They consistently have the most compensatory picks in the league. Uh,

1082
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: they get a lot of these extra third and fourth

1083
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: and fifth round picks. They have a volume of selections.

1084
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: And the other thing I like about the Patriots lance

1085
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: if they get a player, whether it's in the draft

1086
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: and free agency, and they quickly figure out this guy's

1087
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: not for us. They have no thought of thinking, boy,

1088
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: if we get rid of this guy, all right, we're

1089
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna look bad. Right, I mean that that's a bad look.

1090
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: We just signed a draft I want to cut them.

1091
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: It's quickly. Belichick does not care. He will get rid

1092
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: of second round picks in their second year. He's cutting

1093
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: guys left and right. Remember Cony early last year they

1094
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: brought him and he was there for like three weeks.

1095
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: They got rid of them, so they they they are

1096
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: not afraid to move on from players that are not

1097
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: fits for their system. And I think that's a good

1098
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: thing that other teams in the league can emulate a

1099
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: little bit more. To me, I think it also starts

1100
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: with the front office, John and the coaching staff. I

1101
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: think if you look through the teams that have consistently

1102
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, there's not a great deal of turnover.

1103
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: They preach patients and they work well together. Yeah, the

1104
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: communication lines are very strong. But look at New England.

1105
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: It goes without saying Robert Craft, Bill Belichick the front

1106
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: office and as they lose individuals, by the way, because

1107
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: New England's lost a lot of assistants. Brian Flores, for example,

1108
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: is going to Miami. They promote from within. They're very

1109
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: good at grooming young assistants to get ready to move

1110
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: up the ladder. I mean, how many o seas as

1111
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady had had a number of guys, how many

1112
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: dcs have been on their Belichick or if their equivalent

1113
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: of defensive play cars or whatever. Bill O'Brien was tom

1114
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Brady's offensive cording. He's now with the Texans. Josh McDaniels

1115
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: has had multiple stints go back to Charles Romeo. Cornell

1116
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: is another guy that served as defensive corn Dean people Johnson,

1117
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: I think was it was a d C for a year, right.

1118
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: I think he may have just been as high as

1119
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: defensive line coach. You know they ever got that. I

1120
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: don't think he did. Okay, you might be right, you

1121
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: might have thought defensive line was his highest. Patricia obviously,

1122
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Patricia is another guy, but all of them have had

1123
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: ties to the organization, and they were positional coaches and

1124
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: they moved up the ladder and so forth. So that

1125
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: to me is a big part of why the top

1126
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: franchises are consistently making the plays, because they treat their

1127
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: coaching staff like they treat the roster. They coach coaches up,

1128
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: they coach players up. So that is the one thing

1129
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: you have to have your house in order atop the franchise.

1130
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: You don't have your house in order atop the franchise

1131
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: and you're preaching turnover after turnover after turnover, it's just

1132
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. There were eight vacancies john this offseason

1133
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: for new coaches, and if you look through the teams,

1134
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: if you went from top to bottom, the teams that

1135
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: had more success than the others, there's no surprise that

1136
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals were at the top of the list. You

1137
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: can say all you want about their first round exits,

1138
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: but Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton and Mike Brown, their

1139
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: owner and president, they stayed put and they were consistently

1140
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: making the play for that very reason because every time

1141
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: the court, a public opinion called for change, they didn't

1142
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: necessarily say hey, we've got to out flip the script.

1143
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: That's a reason why they were in the plan off

1144
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: so many years. And you have to Yeah, look, you

1145
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: have to build through the drafts and you can't depend

1146
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: on that without saying, I mean that's basic one on

1147
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: one stuff. Is he always overpaying free agency? Develop people

1148
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: within your organization, develop late round picks. Hit on late

1149
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: round picks. Again, I can hit all of them. But

1150
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: if you hit on one late round pick a year,

1151
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: if you get one Day three guy each year, that

1152
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: turns out to be a starter for you, it's a

1153
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: big win. It's a big win. Well, think about this

1154
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: the Steelers, for example, which is another organization that belongs

1155
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: in this conversation, even though they're dealing with some drama.

1156
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: Now Tonio Brown. Tonio Brown was not a first round pick,

1157
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: John it was it a second round pick, was a

1158
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: late round pick out of Central Michigan. There were questions

1159
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: about what he would do with the next level. So, yeah,

1160
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to do your research. You

1161
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: have to be able to hit more often than miss

1162
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: in the draft because it does absolute wonders. People talk

1163
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: about the window is small when you have a rookie quarterback. Well,

1164
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: the teams that overcome that or the teams that do

1165
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: well around the roster aside from quarterback, and they don't

1166
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: have to go on a spending spree and they can

1167
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: afford to pay a QB. That's the biggest difference. All right,

1168
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the calls and finish off at

1169
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: the phones and two on one, five on three, Lendon, Columbia, Maryland. Hello, Len, Hey, hey, guys,

1170
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: how you doing. What's up? That SHI lists was was

1171
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: an interesting list, um? And that they were all unrestricted

1172
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: free agents, and I don't think they mixed in the

1173
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: other two categories of free agents. I think they were

1174
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: all unrestricted free agents. Um. The only two giants on

1175
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: the list, you know, Collins in the top ten and

1176
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: I think Brown was in somewhere around fifty two or

1177
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: fifty four somewhere. Now, you we don't need to know exactly,

1178
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: but she's only two of all of our free agents

1179
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: in that top hundred. Um, he's fifty I'm sorry, fifty

1180
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: six for fifty six. Okay. Now, I don't know whether

1181
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: that's you know, worthy of assigning or not, but just

1182
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: looking at and seeing only two of our players in

1183
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: there kind of I thought she's maybe maybe Win would

1184
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: slip in from hundred, you know, somewhere in there. And

1185
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: even Edwards. Edwards is a pretty good player. Um and

1186
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: uh Lance interestingly enough, Preston Smith, we talked about him yesterday.

1187
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: I think he was eight. Yeah, and they actually said

1188
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: they are not going to franchise tag Hims. That'll be

1189
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: interesting to keep an eye on from Washington Prospect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1190
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: Now I'm not suggesting that maybe that's the replacement for

1191
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon. I want the Chinese to keep earning. But

1192
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: he's he's, uh, he Smith's a pretty good player. Um,

1193
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: if I counted correctly, we've got ten picks if you

1194
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: count Beal before the comp picks, likely to get two

1195
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: comp picks. So we're up to now they'll you know

1196
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: this is they're they're going to be late, but we'll

1197
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: be up to twelve picks at that point, and that's

1198
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: that's a pretty healthy number. Uh. You know, we can

1199
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: begin dealing some of those late ones if we can,

1200
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: if we figure out we can upgrade our roster. But

1201
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a lot of young players and a

1202
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities to bring in some young players. So

1203
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: I like that number, and I say, hang on, you know,

1204
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: hang on as best you can't, particularly to the early ones. Um,

1205
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: how do you get in if you're a player, how

1206
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: do you get what? I wonder if they wanted to

1207
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: think about draft picks, our fifth round pick Macintosh from

1208
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: last year. UM, we really don't know much about him

1209
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: at this point. But the one thing that I felt

1210
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: about him, you know, he he got out on the

1211
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: field in those last five games, and you know, he

1212
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: he didn't look lost. I think maybe he got winded

1213
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: because because he can sit down for a season because

1214
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: of the injury or the illness, whatever it was. Um,

1215
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: but you know, he it's like he might turn out

1216
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: to be a pretty good player. I'm you know, I'm

1217
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: almost counting him in that group of young players. Um.

1218
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: You know, it was somewhat of a red shirt year

1219
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: for him last year, There's no doubt about that. But

1220
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't think he looked lost is

1221
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: because even though he wasn't out on the practice field,

1222
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: he was still in the classroom. So I mean, he

1223
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: was around the scheme, learning and being coached up. He

1224
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: just couldn't necessarily carry it out onto the field at

1225
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think he's I'm

1226
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what he can

1227
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: do in camp and with this team. I think he's

1228
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: probably gonna make the team next year somewhere. They're not

1229
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: gonna They're not going to get rid of a fifth

1230
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: round pick. Um. Just just kind of a curious question,

1231
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: and um, how do you if you're a player, how

1232
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: do you get invited to the combine? Basically invite you?

1233
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: Basically you have They kind of I don't know if

1234
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: they pull, but they kind of get a feel from

1235
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: teams around the league of the players that they want

1236
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: to see, and then that's how they determine who they invite.

1237
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: So it's not like the Senior Bowl, which is a

1238
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: separate operation. The NFL determines who gets invited to the

1239
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. Okay, but but but they take a lot

1240
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: of recommendations from the teams themselves, I would imagine. Yet,

1241
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'm what I'm what I'm really looking at

1242
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: is the number this year is the largest that they've

1243
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: ever had. I mean, it exceeds I mean, it's almost

1244
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: fifty players past the last person who would be drafted,

1245
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense. I think they're up around

1246
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: three twenty five or three thirty and it is only

1247
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: about two fifty or two fifty five they get drafted,

1248
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: so that that's a lot of extra you know. I

1249
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: was just wondering who identifies those last seventy five players?

1250
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: And last year they were between one hundred and a

1251
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty players there at the Combine that did

1252
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: not get drafted. And I think they were probably around

1253
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: thirty to fifty that did not get invited to the

1254
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: Combine but did get drafted. So it's funny how that works.

1255
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: Those are Yeah, it's funny how those works. Hey, thanks

1256
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: for taking my call. Appreciate the call. Good stuff. Yeah,

1257
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Phillip Lindsay didn't get invited to the

1258
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: Combine last year. I watched Penny Hart turn free defensive

1259
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: back that tried to cover him at the Senior Bowl

1260
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: into pretzels, made him look silly. He didn't get invited

1261
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: to the Combine. To me, he could be a starting

1262
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: slot receiver in this league next year. I don't know

1263
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: how the process works, but it's not perfect, but it

1264
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: rarely is. This is a subjective business, so they do

1265
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: the best they can well, and that's why if you're

1266
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: high on a player, you probably scouted him during the

1267
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: regular season, pros and all that stuff. You know what,

1268
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's a good thing that the guy is not

1269
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: going to come to the combine if it's somebody low

1270
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: on the radar, because maybe helpful to actually, you know what,

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Speaker 1: for teams that really like some of these guys, they're

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00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: actually probably happy that they're absolutely right. Let's keep it

1273
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: quiet on this prospect. Let's not talk about it. Let's

1274
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: go to Tony in North Carolina and then what do

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: You'll be our final caller after that? Tony? What's up? Hey?

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00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: John hay Lance. Uh love listen you guys, always a

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00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: great show. Thank yeah, Hey. Quick question, quick offense, quick defense. Um,

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00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: just a quick question about Eli and some things I've noticed,

1279
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, I DVR all the games and kind of

1280
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, break them down a little bed, watching two

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01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: or three times, and it appears to me that, um,

1282
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it looks like Eli he has some predetermined throws

1283
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: versus you know, making his read the progression. So curious

1284
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: if you had seen the same thing, because I know

1285
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: you guys break down, there are sometimes that that that

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: pre snap if you have like a hot read or

1287
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: something like that. Based on what you see pre snap,

1288
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: that's what you're going to do. Obviously, beyond that, quarterback

1289
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: should always avoid predetermining their throws. It's it's generally a

1290
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: very bad idea and a bad way to do it.

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: And I didn't think I saw Eli outside of those

1292
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: situations where he knows that there's only six guys blocking

1293
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: but seven guys blitzing or something like that, where he

1294
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: decides before the snap what he's gonna do with the ball. Well,

1295
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: and also keep in mind, usually when a team gets

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: the ball to start, they usually script the plays and

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: they go through what they're looking to run on that

1298
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: first drive. But then again, I don't think any quarterback

1299
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: should have the mindset he knows where he's gonna go

1300
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: with the football because he doesn't know what defense is

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: going to present. You could practice ten fifteen plays to

1302
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: start and everything could be on the same page, and

1303
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: the defense throws a curveball. So I mean it's very

1304
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: difficult for the quarterback to even have the mindset that

1305
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm automatically gonna go to this receiver if all of

1306
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, the guy's double coverage or there's a different

1307
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: defensive scheme that is showcased. Right. I was just curious

1308
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: off maybe that was a play call like that as well,

1309
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: coming from the sideline said hey, you know, instead of

1310
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: going through your progression, let's let's go this direction of that.

1311
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: It just it just seems like that watching but that

1312
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense to the defense kind of dictates that. Yeah,

1313
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: and there's always a target on every play a first option,

1314
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: but more often than not, you can't necessarily always go

1315
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: in that director. So to your point, yeah, coach is

1316
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: probably saying, Hey, this play is geared towards getting Odell

1317
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: Beckham in the open field, but that doesn't mean you're

1318
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: gonna get him on your first rate. And no matter what,

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01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: that's what you throw to that the trusts me a

1320
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: coach never tells a quarterback throw of this guy, no

1321
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: matter what that that's not good ever happened? Okay, alright, cool?

1322
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: Hey defensively, um, and I know you guys break down

1323
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: that defensive side of the ball um as well. Uh,

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: A couple of things I noticed, Um, it just seems like, uh,

1325
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, not to call him out of anything, but

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01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: alec Ogletree is is out of the position. Um, maybe

1327
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: more times than than should be And I don't know

1328
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: if you've seen that as well, Um, you know, and

1329
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: if if so, you know why or maybe that's just uh,

1330
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: just something I'm seeing, not Tony. Um. I think Al

1331
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: gold Tree made some big plays and we're pasted one.

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: We gotta roll a one more call. I gotta squeeze

1333
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: and tone, thanks for the call, Um ogle Tree. He

1334
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: made some big plays last year. He had some big takeaways.

1335
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: The couple of interceptions against the Bears in that game,

1336
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: for example, it was was gigantic an interception against the

1337
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: Niners a couple of weeks before that, right on the

1338
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: little slant pass at the start of that game from

1339
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay. I correct, was it was Tampa. I

1340
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: think he had four interceptions second after the year. Absolutely opportunities,

1341
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: and but I do think there are plays where sometimes

1342
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: there are missed opportunities. I think, Tony, I think your

1343
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: statement was fair, and I think part of that is

1344
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: when he's just been matched up in coverage again an

1345
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: extremely talented tight end or a wide receiver whatever they

1346
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: look to match up with him. I mean, but this way,

1347
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: when I went getting inside the films ready, there were

1348
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of you know, Ogle tree in

1349
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: the backfield tackle for lost place two five, one three.

1350
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: And you know I'm gonna talk about the defensive line

1351
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: with the run defense too. That's the linebackers. Also, it's

1352
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: not just the defensive line. Woody and Walton will wrap

1353
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: us up, Wouldy. Hey, how you doing guy? What's going on? Pal? Hey? Yeah? Well,

1354
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: hey a long time listener, first time caller. I've always

1355
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: had to wait after Now I'm retired. Tremendous good to

1356
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: hear from you, and please call back often. I want

1357
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: to talk about the capitation because nobody seems to realize

1358
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: that we gotta have about ten million dollars sign our

1359
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: draft class. Yeah that Woody, and you also, by the way,

1360
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: I have to keep money aside as well to pay

1361
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: off incentives and have money reserved during the season if

1362
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: you want to make any additions to your roster when

1363
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: guys get hurt. So it's not like you see the

1364
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: half space and your hunter. I'm so happy you called

1365
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: and made that point, and you can spend every time

1366
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that way. Well, and here's the other thing,

1367
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: and I'll let you continue what he also, just for

1368
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: the logistics of the salary cap if they give the

1369
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: franchise tag. This is for any team. John, that's a placeholder.

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01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: You can't then just say, well, while this guy's determining

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01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: whether or not he wants to sign the tag, we're

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: gonna go out and sign everybody else. No, it becomes

1373
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: a placeholder, which counts against your cap. Yeah, that was

1374
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: the other point I wanted to make, because if they

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01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: do tag Collins, that's another eleven million. You're down to

1376
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. And we haven't even talked about Halapio

1377
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: or Pulley or Brown or any of those guys. Yeah,

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: h what are you correct? Yeah? And and how are

1379
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: we gonna come up win some extra cash? I mean,

1380
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: I know I'm looking over the cap here, like the

1381
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: first six guys take up half of our cap space?

1382
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: Can we restructure any of those guys? I mean other

1383
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: candidates to restructure there? Come up with because we need

1384
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: extra do you? I hear you what? The extra cap

1385
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: space is always great, But I would be with where

1386
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: and leave. I can fraid this properly with where the

1387
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: Giants are in terms of their rebuilding process, I would

1388
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: not be comfortable pushing more money further down the road.

1389
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: I would be more apt to be wanting to clear

1390
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: up your cap issues quickly and deal with the pain

1391
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: now so you can make those additions later. Then I

1392
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: would be to kick the can down the road and

1393
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: then in two years you're like, oh, boy, still got

1394
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: that money from the s Conner salary? Cap serious? Really,

1395
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: so I would be very hesitant of you know, extending

1396
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: guys or you know, turning salary into signing bonus to

1397
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: free up cap space this year, because eventually, when your restructure,

1398
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: you always pay the piper, unless you're having I take

1399
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: a straight out pay cut, which by the way, very rarely,

1400
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: if ever happens in this league. You're always gonna have

1401
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: to pay the piper on these restructures, and it gets

1402
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: into an awful lot of trouble down the road. And

1403
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: really it's something if you go a lot of NFL

1404
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: teams like the Redskins and Cowboys are two prime examples

1405
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: overstructure contracts all the time. The free of cave space

1406
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: Dallas doesn't do as much anymore, but that's why those

1407
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: teams are always out of cap space. The Giants has

1408
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: never been a team that's been very big on restructuring

1409
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: to free up space now to hurt yourself later. It's

1410
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: something that Kevin Abrams hasn't done a whole lot of

1411
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: They've done an occasionally, I think Genorge Jenkins a couple

1412
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: of years ago, maybe, but I would be very hesitant

1413
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: where the Giants are in terms of their winning trajectory

1414
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: to sacrifice future seasons and cab space then to try

1415
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: to create cap space today, you're essentially delaying the inevitable

1416
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: basically by doing that, kicking the can down the road.

1417
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty in here politics or whatever, it's problem. If

1418
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: we cut ties with him, we end up creating a

1419
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: big hole there if we if we caught him as

1420
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: a post didn't one, you could sign all your draft

1421
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 1: class what the money you got from him, You still

1422
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: have the money that you have not replaced them, and

1423
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: do whatever else you need. What do you think of that? Yeah,

1424
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: you can um, but then you're looking at dead money

1425
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: on your cab for next year. That's that that's very big.

1426
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: So you don't like that either, You know what I mean?

1427
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: This year you got eight million. If you don't four

1428
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: million this year. If you do it next year, you

1429
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: got four million this year next year, right exactly. You

1430
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: either take the full hit now or you split it

1431
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: in a half. Then that's basically what you're looking at.

1432
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: I know it's not a good rats got us in

1433
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: exactly and now you're trying. And that's why when we

1434
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: talked about what good teams do well, when you have

1435
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: to go out there and make the type of signs

1436
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: that Giants didn't Frenecy two years ago, it might help initially,

1437
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: but eventually you're gonna be like, oh boy, I wish

1438
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: you would have just drafted guys and signed them, you

1439
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And this is also a year

1440
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: with thank you on the defensive line appreciate the phone call.

1441
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: So it makes sense if you're looking to bolster the

1442
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: depth chart in that area, why not just wait till

1443
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: the draft, because you know, to the Coals point, Okay, well,

1444
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: Vernon may free up some money to help with the draft,

1445
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: but then you gonna use the remainder of that to

1446
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: go on and get a free agent on the defensive line.

1447
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: What do you think these pass rush are just grow

1448
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: on trees. All the money, all the money goes in

1449
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: the same pot. So you're basically you're creating one void,

1450
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: which then essentially is gonna have to be filled by

1451
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: any money you free up. I just don't think in

1452
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: the big picture it helps you all that much. I

1453
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: think there's a lot more value and say, hey, we're

1454
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: gonna continue to build a young nucleus through the draft.

1455
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: Good God, by whatod you though? I think you made

1456
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: some really good dans. The caller beforementioned all the draft picks.

1457
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: That's when you get to the fourth rounding at all

1458
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: these picks on day three and you see a guy

1459
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: that you think maybe is as a Day two value

1460
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: sitting there, that's when you use your assets to move up.

1461
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: And if it takes three picks, you got trade like

1462
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: a seven and a five to move up in the

1463
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: fourth round or from the fourth round to the late

1464
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: third round to get a guy you want. I love

1465
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: vying the picks, and it's important. But once you get

1466
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: to the sixth or seventh round or fifth round, even

1467
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's the coin flip with the coin.

1468
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: It's not even I mean coin you're talking about like

1469
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: rolling a die and rolling to die and trying to

1470
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: get one number. It's tough maybe flipping the coin between

1471
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: one or two guys that maybe you're trying. But but

1472
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. Twelve guys, let's say Lent called

1473
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: up and started speculating the compensatory picks. Twelve guys are

1474
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: not making the roster, John, it's more of a reason

1475
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: why you might as well move up. Last year they

1476
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: might well way they at the head, they might have

1477
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: made it last year. It's very possible. But I just

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Speaker 1: gen twelve members of a draft guys because you remember

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Speaker 1: that also includes Sam Beale from last year, and then

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Speaker 1: you have you undrafted for agents that always have what

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Speaker 1: two or three of those guys make the roster too, right,

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Speaker 1: So given the turnover rate, it's highly unlikely every single

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Speaker 1: draft pick, if they utilized it, is gonna have a

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Speaker 1: realistic shot to make the fifty three. Yeah, maybe someone

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Speaker 1: make the practice squad, but the bottom line is they're

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Speaker 1: thinking more fifty three immediate impact is opposed to somebody

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Speaker 1: down the road. I'm all for them moving up, like

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Speaker 1: you said late in the round, if they want to

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Speaker 1: package a couple of sevens and sixes, be here with

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Speaker 1: figles tomorrow. Lancey back next Monday or Tuesday, getting us

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Speaker 1: ready for the NFL combine. Then Paul and I will

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Speaker 1: be out of the calm line three two hour live

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Speaker 1: shows Wednesday through Friday because of Coaching Dave Gentleman, speaking

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning. Wednesday show will be from one till three,

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Speaker 1: and then Thursday and Friday will be back at twelve

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Speaker 1: to two for alance mineral of John schulk Willee. Tomorrow

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