1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:23,876 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I love the idea of this big engine presence, 2 00:00:23,916 --> 00:00:25,956 Speaker 1: like a big V eight or even a V twelve 3 00:00:26,836 --> 00:00:29,916 Speaker 1: in a sedan that you can just haul ass in, 4 00:00:30,276 --> 00:00:34,236 Speaker 1: all right, for the dignified hooligan, exactly exactly, so we 5 00:00:34,756 --> 00:00:37,116 Speaker 1: know what we're looking for. We're looking for a car, 6 00:00:38,076 --> 00:00:41,756 Speaker 1: the most dignified car for the biggest hooligan. I'm ready. 7 00:00:43,516 --> 00:00:46,116 Speaker 1: On this season of Car Show, we're putting cars in 8 00:00:46,236 --> 00:00:49,476 Speaker 1: four brackets to the test, all in the pursuit of 9 00:00:49,516 --> 00:00:51,876 Speaker 1: crowning a winner of our very own Car of the 10 00:00:51,956 --> 00:00:56,116 Speaker 1: Year contest and hopefully helping you decide how to spend 11 00:00:56,156 --> 00:01:00,236 Speaker 1: your hard earned money. This episode is about my favorite 12 00:01:00,276 --> 00:01:04,316 Speaker 1: segment of all sports sedans. I've driven about two hundred 13 00:01:04,316 --> 00:01:08,316 Speaker 1: cars this year, and four sports sedans stood out, some 14 00:01:08,476 --> 00:01:12,036 Speaker 1: because they were great, one because it was a little disappointing. 15 00:01:12,996 --> 00:01:18,036 Speaker 1: Those four cars are the Audi RS three, the Cadillac 16 00:01:18,316 --> 00:01:22,356 Speaker 1: CT five V Black Wing, the Honda Civic Type R, 17 00:01:22,956 --> 00:01:27,316 Speaker 1: and the Undilantra N. I've enlisted Alanna Share to help 18 00:01:27,356 --> 00:01:30,916 Speaker 1: me rank them. Alana is a hot rodder and muscle 19 00:01:30,956 --> 00:01:34,276 Speaker 1: car freak from back in the day, and she's currently 20 00:01:34,396 --> 00:01:38,556 Speaker 1: senior editor and a columnist for Car and driver. Together, 21 00:01:38,676 --> 00:01:41,196 Speaker 1: we'll decide which will pass through the gauntlet to the 22 00:01:41,236 --> 00:01:46,316 Speaker 1: final round. I'm Eddie Alterman, and this is car show, 23 00:01:48,836 --> 00:01:54,356 Speaker 1: So creamy, so good. The brakes are insane and so 24 00:01:54,436 --> 00:01:58,956 Speaker 1: easy to modulate. They just haul this thing down without drama. 25 00:01:59,756 --> 00:02:13,036 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Before we start talking about the cars, i'd 26 00:02:13,036 --> 00:02:15,436 Speaker 1: like to get your take on what you think a 27 00:02:15,596 --> 00:02:19,516 Speaker 1: great sport sedan should be. Oh, I mean sports sedan. 28 00:02:19,796 --> 00:02:23,276 Speaker 1: When you first think about it is kind of you're like, no, what, No, 29 00:02:23,396 --> 00:02:28,196 Speaker 1: sedans they're not Sporty sedans are for families. Sedans are 30 00:02:28,276 --> 00:02:32,036 Speaker 1: for people who need to look important and go stately, 31 00:02:33,276 --> 00:02:35,756 Speaker 1: or maybe for people who just like to fill the 32 00:02:35,796 --> 00:02:37,876 Speaker 1: backseat of their car with all their luggage or their 33 00:02:37,876 --> 00:02:39,956 Speaker 1: groceries or something. You know, some people don't like trunks. 34 00:02:39,996 --> 00:02:41,876 Speaker 1: I'm fine, I understand that, you know, you just want 35 00:02:41,876 --> 00:02:45,196 Speaker 1: to be close to your stuff. But I don't know. 36 00:02:45,236 --> 00:02:48,796 Speaker 1: Then they started making fast forward doors, right, and they're 37 00:02:48,796 --> 00:02:51,276 Speaker 1: always sleepers. I do like a sleeper, you know, even 38 00:02:51,316 --> 00:02:53,636 Speaker 1: in the muscle car days. You know, if you think 39 00:02:53,636 --> 00:02:55,876 Speaker 1: about it, like the way that muscle cars even started 40 00:02:56,316 --> 00:03:01,116 Speaker 1: was with the engine from a sedan that they they 41 00:03:01,116 --> 00:03:04,156 Speaker 1: and would put into a smaller two door car or 42 00:03:04,196 --> 00:03:09,076 Speaker 1: a sportier car. So really, sports sedans are the perform 43 00:03:09,196 --> 00:03:14,356 Speaker 1: min's car. They're they're under the radar performance, right, They're 44 00:03:14,396 --> 00:03:17,676 Speaker 1: the car that, you know, a middle aged person could 45 00:03:17,756 --> 00:03:21,556 Speaker 1: drive respectively and not attract the attention of the cops. 46 00:03:21,956 --> 00:03:24,316 Speaker 1: But you know, get on the highway, put the hammer down, 47 00:03:24,716 --> 00:03:27,156 Speaker 1: or take an off ramp, a highway off ramp like 48 00:03:27,196 --> 00:03:30,916 Speaker 1: a complete lunatic and you know, go back to being 49 00:03:31,236 --> 00:03:37,116 Speaker 1: you know, a respectable Burger by day and Batman by night. Right, 50 00:03:37,836 --> 00:03:43,156 Speaker 1: And it's that great incongruity of formal envelope, you know, 51 00:03:43,276 --> 00:03:47,236 Speaker 1: like a formal sedan shape with just a huge stunkin 52 00:03:47,796 --> 00:03:51,996 Speaker 1: engine in it. And I feel like these cars are 53 00:03:52,036 --> 00:03:55,556 Speaker 1: sort of do it all. You know, the original BMW 54 00:03:55,756 --> 00:03:58,556 Speaker 1: M fives are sort of like four door nine to elevens. 55 00:03:58,596 --> 00:04:01,276 Speaker 1: You know, they gave you everything in a great package. Yeah, 56 00:04:01,356 --> 00:04:04,036 Speaker 1: do you feel like M five started the true sportiness 57 00:04:04,036 --> 00:04:05,996 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm thinking sort of, you know, I 58 00:04:06,036 --> 00:04:07,716 Speaker 1: went way back and went to kind of like the 59 00:04:07,836 --> 00:04:10,876 Speaker 1: muscle and in the big car, but those were not 60 00:04:11,996 --> 00:04:14,876 Speaker 1: good handling cars, right, like a Cadillac or a big 61 00:04:14,916 --> 00:04:17,196 Speaker 1: Mercedes that was not a car you wanted to take 62 00:04:17,196 --> 00:04:19,956 Speaker 1: a corner in no like the six point nine Mercedes. Yes, 63 00:04:20,156 --> 00:04:24,796 Speaker 1: tons of motor, but not truly kind of track focused 64 00:04:25,276 --> 00:04:28,476 Speaker 1: four door. You know you think that, Well, this car 65 00:04:28,556 --> 00:04:30,876 Speaker 1: is bigger than a two door. It's not a coup 66 00:04:30,956 --> 00:04:32,836 Speaker 1: it's not as low to the ground, it's got a 67 00:04:32,836 --> 00:04:36,516 Speaker 1: lot of extra mass. Why are we bothering making it sporty? 68 00:04:36,596 --> 00:04:41,436 Speaker 1: But comfort and performance really are great bedfellows. They really 69 00:04:41,476 --> 00:04:44,596 Speaker 1: do go together like chocolate and peanut butter. And I 70 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:49,156 Speaker 1: love a car like this. This is my personal favorite category. 71 00:04:49,636 --> 00:04:53,196 Speaker 1: And I think we're sort of at the end of 72 00:04:53,236 --> 00:04:58,436 Speaker 1: the traditional big engine kind of midsize sports stand. I 73 00:04:58,476 --> 00:05:01,436 Speaker 1: think they're all in the future going to be electric 74 00:05:01,476 --> 00:05:04,316 Speaker 1: powered and they'll be very, very quick, don't get me wrong. 75 00:05:05,196 --> 00:05:07,196 Speaker 1: So let's talk about these cars, and we're going to 76 00:05:07,276 --> 00:05:10,476 Speaker 1: go in alphabetical order. The first one that i'd like 77 00:05:10,516 --> 00:05:14,036 Speaker 1: to talk to you about is the Audi RS three. 78 00:05:15,556 --> 00:05:20,036 Speaker 1: Now RS three means it is the A three body 79 00:05:20,676 --> 00:05:25,116 Speaker 1: with not just the S Performance Kit, it's the RS 80 00:05:25,236 --> 00:05:30,956 Speaker 1: Performance Kit, and it's gigantically powerful. The Audi RS three's 81 00:05:31,076 --> 00:05:34,556 Speaker 1: natural predators are the BMW M two coupe and the 82 00:05:34,636 --> 00:05:40,556 Speaker 1: Mercedes AMG CLA forty five. It's a sixty thousand dollars 83 00:05:40,636 --> 00:05:44,796 Speaker 1: nugget with a thrumbing five cylinder engine making four hundred 84 00:05:44,796 --> 00:05:48,036 Speaker 1: and one horse power, and it's all wheel drive system 85 00:05:48,076 --> 00:05:50,596 Speaker 1: has a drift mode that helps you pull off lurid 86 00:05:50,956 --> 00:05:59,276 Speaker 1: frame filling power slides. So the first time that I 87 00:05:59,396 --> 00:06:01,316 Speaker 1: drove one, first of all, the one that we drove 88 00:06:01,436 --> 00:06:04,996 Speaker 1: was like bright spring green, like it was just like 89 00:06:05,076 --> 00:06:07,916 Speaker 1: fluorescent green, like highlighter green. I was like an Audi 90 00:06:08,076 --> 00:06:11,356 Speaker 1: really kind of surprised me a little bit. And I 91 00:06:11,436 --> 00:06:13,716 Speaker 1: knew on paper what it was supposed to be, but 92 00:06:13,796 --> 00:06:17,236 Speaker 1: I hadn't ever been in one. And I like the 93 00:06:17,276 --> 00:06:19,836 Speaker 1: fact that it's kind of like the more and more three, 94 00:06:19,836 --> 00:06:22,116 Speaker 1: Like you know S three is like more and then 95 00:06:22,156 --> 00:06:25,916 Speaker 1: the RS is more and more. So that's promising. And 96 00:06:25,996 --> 00:06:32,996 Speaker 1: it was ridiculously fast, I mean, like because it didn't 97 00:06:32,996 --> 00:06:36,356 Speaker 1: hold anything back. You know, sometimes you'll get in a 98 00:06:36,476 --> 00:06:38,876 Speaker 1: very powerful car, but it has like a little bit 99 00:06:38,916 --> 00:06:41,476 Speaker 1: of a pause, not like a turboline, just like a 100 00:06:41,516 --> 00:06:45,636 Speaker 1: little bit of a drivetrain, cushioned protected a little And 101 00:06:45,636 --> 00:06:47,076 Speaker 1: Audie was just like, no, you can have it all 102 00:06:47,116 --> 00:06:48,996 Speaker 1: you want it, all of it's it's on you man. 103 00:06:49,076 --> 00:06:54,076 Speaker 1: You made the decision. So that was startling and delightful 104 00:06:54,076 --> 00:06:56,076 Speaker 1: because it doesn't look like it's something that's going to 105 00:06:56,156 --> 00:06:58,116 Speaker 1: do that, even in bright bright green. I was like, 106 00:06:58,476 --> 00:07:01,956 Speaker 1: but it's pretty wide, slow to the ground. It looks mean, yeah, 107 00:07:01,996 --> 00:07:04,996 Speaker 1: but it doesn't have like crazy wings or really that 108 00:07:05,036 --> 00:07:07,476 Speaker 1: many slats or openings or anything like. It's you know, 109 00:07:07,516 --> 00:07:10,436 Speaker 1: if you got it in silver, no one who didn't 110 00:07:10,476 --> 00:07:15,796 Speaker 1: know would know, right right, But you know, I drove 111 00:07:15,876 --> 00:07:19,236 Speaker 1: that thing and I was like, you very impressed with 112 00:07:19,276 --> 00:07:22,596 Speaker 1: the speed. I thought it was insanely quick and it 113 00:07:22,596 --> 00:07:25,156 Speaker 1: looked great, and I like the fact that it was small. 114 00:07:25,836 --> 00:07:27,836 Speaker 1: I didn't like the fact that you couldn't get a 115 00:07:27,916 --> 00:07:32,356 Speaker 1: manual transmission in it. And I didn't like how sort 116 00:07:32,396 --> 00:07:34,396 Speaker 1: of cold it was to the touch. I mean, this 117 00:07:34,436 --> 00:07:37,516 Speaker 1: thing was like colder than a polar bear's ass. It 118 00:07:37,596 --> 00:07:43,036 Speaker 1: was just like, you know, very very inert feeling in 119 00:07:43,076 --> 00:07:47,516 Speaker 1: a way like mechanical, robotic, not a lot of feedback. 120 00:07:47,836 --> 00:07:49,836 Speaker 1: And you know, if we're talking about sports and ants, 121 00:07:50,116 --> 00:07:52,276 Speaker 1: they should have some elements of a sports car. They 122 00:07:52,276 --> 00:07:55,436 Speaker 1: should have that sensitivity and that feedback and really be 123 00:07:55,756 --> 00:07:58,836 Speaker 1: rewarding to all the senses like a sports car is. 124 00:07:59,036 --> 00:08:01,956 Speaker 1: They should give you something. This one was just sort 125 00:08:01,996 --> 00:08:05,276 Speaker 1: of like not a very willing partner. I don't know 126 00:08:05,396 --> 00:08:08,396 Speaker 1: what's your take on that. I totally know what you're 127 00:08:08,436 --> 00:08:11,316 Speaker 1: talking about. It's not even that it's unwilling. It's that 128 00:08:11,916 --> 00:08:15,396 Speaker 1: it didn't care one way or the other. Right, Like 129 00:08:15,796 --> 00:08:17,796 Speaker 1: it's like, you want to go, we can go. You 130 00:08:17,836 --> 00:08:19,836 Speaker 1: don't want to go. We don't have to go. What 131 00:08:19,876 --> 00:08:21,956 Speaker 1: do you want for? What do you want for dinner? 132 00:08:21,996 --> 00:08:24,996 Speaker 1: I don't know what do you want? You know? And 133 00:08:25,036 --> 00:08:29,436 Speaker 1: also this is a small quibble, but you know, keeping 134 00:08:29,436 --> 00:08:33,036 Speaker 1: with my relationship metaphor, you know, when you like somebody 135 00:08:33,076 --> 00:08:36,756 Speaker 1: but they have one super irritating small habit, like like 136 00:08:36,796 --> 00:08:39,476 Speaker 1: they just chew too loudly or something, and eventually you're like, 137 00:08:39,516 --> 00:08:42,636 Speaker 1: I can't I can't live with this person, Like we 138 00:08:42,716 --> 00:08:47,476 Speaker 1: have to break up. The brakes on that car were 139 00:08:48,156 --> 00:08:50,116 Speaker 1: I just like, I just hate the way they feel. 140 00:08:50,276 --> 00:08:53,756 Speaker 1: It's not that it didn't stop, they just every time 141 00:08:53,796 --> 00:08:56,996 Speaker 1: I hit the brakes. That was like, yeah, so talk 142 00:08:57,076 --> 00:08:59,916 Speaker 1: more about that. I felt the same way. They were unpredictable. 143 00:09:00,316 --> 00:09:03,316 Speaker 1: And really, anyone who knows me and knows my background 144 00:09:03,476 --> 00:09:06,396 Speaker 1: might be right now yelling at this podcast, like Alana 145 00:09:06,476 --> 00:09:08,796 Speaker 1: you have no right to talk about breaks. You drive 146 00:09:08,836 --> 00:09:11,556 Speaker 1: cars that don't even currently have working breaks, and you're 147 00:09:11,556 --> 00:09:14,556 Speaker 1: still driving and I'm like, yes, that's true, and it 148 00:09:14,596 --> 00:09:17,356 Speaker 1: pulls to the side, but it does it the same 149 00:09:17,436 --> 00:09:20,196 Speaker 1: every time, so I know what I know what to expect. 150 00:09:20,316 --> 00:09:22,196 Speaker 1: Like with the Audi is like a little bite, then 151 00:09:22,236 --> 00:09:24,996 Speaker 1: it was soft again, then it was really soft, then 152 00:09:24,996 --> 00:09:28,436 Speaker 1: it like hit. I want like linear breaking that is 153 00:09:28,476 --> 00:09:31,276 Speaker 1: the same all the way through the Audie breaks almost 154 00:09:31,276 --> 00:09:34,236 Speaker 1: felt like electric car brakes, which is my pet peeve 155 00:09:34,276 --> 00:09:39,796 Speaker 1: about electric cars. Breaks are your pet peeve about electric cars? Interesting, Yeah, 156 00:09:39,836 --> 00:09:42,756 Speaker 1: you said something about consistency. I feel like what I 157 00:09:42,796 --> 00:09:45,756 Speaker 1: want from breaks is exactly the same every single time. 158 00:09:45,956 --> 00:09:48,036 Speaker 1: They can be kind of bad every time, but if 159 00:09:48,036 --> 00:09:49,756 Speaker 1: they're bad in the same way, I'm okay with that. 160 00:09:50,876 --> 00:09:54,316 Speaker 1: It's true. Like a sports car, sports dan should be predictable, 161 00:09:54,516 --> 00:09:57,236 Speaker 1: and I also think the responses should be very linear. 162 00:09:57,476 --> 00:09:59,956 Speaker 1: That gives you a lot of predictability. Like you know 163 00:10:00,316 --> 00:10:02,796 Speaker 1: when you turn the steering wheel, how much steering you're 164 00:10:02,796 --> 00:10:04,916 Speaker 1: gonna get, how much turning you're going to get when 165 00:10:04,916 --> 00:10:06,956 Speaker 1: you hit the brakes. You want to know how much 166 00:10:06,956 --> 00:10:08,796 Speaker 1: breaking force you're gonna get. You don't want to have 167 00:10:08,836 --> 00:10:11,916 Speaker 1: to get because when things get busy, you want to 168 00:10:11,916 --> 00:10:14,076 Speaker 1: be thinking, you want to just be. You want to 169 00:10:14,076 --> 00:10:16,676 Speaker 1: be in a flow state, right, and this Audia I 170 00:10:16,676 --> 00:10:18,916 Speaker 1: just couldn't get in a flow state. And yeah, it's 171 00:10:18,916 --> 00:10:22,476 Speaker 1: got this super cool five cylinder engine. But I got 172 00:10:22,516 --> 00:10:26,476 Speaker 1: out of this car and into the GR Corolla, and 173 00:10:27,596 --> 00:10:32,156 Speaker 1: the GR Corolla just had this incredible brap and burble 174 00:10:32,316 --> 00:10:36,156 Speaker 1: and this voice that I thought that the RS three 175 00:10:36,156 --> 00:10:39,236 Speaker 1: would have, but it really didn't. You know, it just 176 00:10:39,316 --> 00:10:44,276 Speaker 1: sounded sort of but sewing machine like, Yeah, but tons 177 00:10:44,276 --> 00:10:46,796 Speaker 1: of pull. A lot of great things about this car. 178 00:10:46,876 --> 00:10:49,276 Speaker 1: That's kind of why it's on the semi final list, 179 00:10:49,356 --> 00:10:52,036 Speaker 1: but it sounds like a hive of bees, and it 180 00:10:52,156 --> 00:10:55,156 Speaker 1: just didn't work for me. It's a it's a fairly 181 00:10:55,236 --> 00:10:58,396 Speaker 1: large amount of money for something that doesn't love you 182 00:10:58,436 --> 00:11:01,956 Speaker 1: back exactly. Not a lot of soul. The next guy 183 00:11:01,996 --> 00:11:06,196 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about soul out the Wazoo. This 184 00:11:06,236 --> 00:11:10,676 Speaker 1: one comes from the home of soul and motile, Cadillac 185 00:11:11,116 --> 00:11:16,836 Speaker 1: CT five V Black Wing. Now, the CT five V 186 00:11:16,956 --> 00:11:20,036 Speaker 1: Black Wing didn't come out in twenty twenty two. It's 187 00:11:20,116 --> 00:11:23,796 Speaker 1: technically in its second model year, but I drove it 188 00:11:23,876 --> 00:11:26,996 Speaker 1: this year and this is my show, so it's magically 189 00:11:27,036 --> 00:11:34,236 Speaker 1: eligible for our Car of the Year award. The CT 190 00:11:34,396 --> 00:11:39,596 Speaker 1: five V Black Wing has rapier like handling, incredible ride, sophistication, 191 00:11:40,036 --> 00:11:44,676 Speaker 1: and the mother of all engines, a supercharged six hundred 192 00:11:44,716 --> 00:11:48,516 Speaker 1: and sixty eight horsepower six point two leader V eight. 193 00:11:57,116 --> 00:12:01,436 Speaker 1: So this car just hits all my buttons, you know, 194 00:12:02,116 --> 00:12:05,436 Speaker 1: not just that it's from Detroit, but Cadillac has been 195 00:12:05,556 --> 00:12:07,716 Speaker 1: on this mission for a very very long time with 196 00:12:07,756 --> 00:12:12,116 Speaker 1: the performance cars, to outdo BMW, to build a better 197 00:12:12,276 --> 00:12:15,316 Speaker 1: M five or a better M three. And they've done it. 198 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:21,316 Speaker 1: They've outdone the original kind of M division masters with 199 00:12:21,356 --> 00:12:25,516 Speaker 1: this car. It is just so full, it's so brimming 200 00:12:25,516 --> 00:12:29,316 Speaker 1: with feedback. It's so alive to the touch, it is 201 00:12:29,356 --> 00:12:32,396 Speaker 1: so predictable. It just goes exactly where you want to 202 00:12:32,396 --> 00:12:35,676 Speaker 1: put it. And it's fun at thirty miles an hour, 203 00:12:35,756 --> 00:12:37,956 Speaker 1: doesn't You don't have to be honking on it to 204 00:12:38,116 --> 00:12:40,916 Speaker 1: really enjoy it. Tell me about this car and how 205 00:12:40,956 --> 00:12:44,476 Speaker 1: you reacted to it. So I've been very lucky to 206 00:12:44,516 --> 00:12:48,436 Speaker 1: have multiple different goes in in the Cadillac CT as 207 00:12:48,636 --> 00:12:56,236 Speaker 1: B five. I always say CTS that is five five black. 208 00:12:56,716 --> 00:12:59,876 Speaker 1: See this is my big complaint about this car. Um. 209 00:13:00,396 --> 00:13:02,636 Speaker 1: You know, I think you can get zero to sixty 210 00:13:02,676 --> 00:13:05,036 Speaker 1: in it quicker than you could say its full name. 211 00:13:07,596 --> 00:13:10,676 Speaker 1: But CT five Black I also like the CT four 212 00:13:10,716 --> 00:13:14,516 Speaker 1: Black Wing. But my first drive in it was pouring 213 00:13:14,676 --> 00:13:17,876 Speaker 1: rain in an arbor in Michigan, like pouring and I'm 214 00:13:17,876 --> 00:13:20,196 Speaker 1: from California. I don't understand rain. I was like, what 215 00:13:20,316 --> 00:13:24,156 Speaker 1: do I do. I'm in this like manual car with 216 00:13:24,436 --> 00:13:27,156 Speaker 1: six hundred plus horse power. I'm gonna die. And the 217 00:13:27,196 --> 00:13:30,396 Speaker 1: car was just like, You're fine, it's okay. I'm just 218 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:33,156 Speaker 1: gonna like trundle along. I'm a big old tires. I 219 00:13:33,196 --> 00:13:36,236 Speaker 1: will stay in the lane, like, don't worry about it. 220 00:13:36,876 --> 00:13:39,836 Speaker 1: We're gonna get you home. Um. So I was kind 221 00:13:39,876 --> 00:13:43,396 Speaker 1: of immediately like, whoa, you're so friendly, What a nice 222 00:13:43,476 --> 00:13:45,876 Speaker 1: pal you are. And then on a dry day, you know, 223 00:13:46,076 --> 00:13:48,076 Speaker 1: we got to take them on track and I was like, oh, 224 00:13:49,196 --> 00:13:52,876 Speaker 1: you're vicious and I love you, and you know this 225 00:13:53,276 --> 00:13:55,716 Speaker 1: it really does anything. I had the chance to drive 226 00:13:55,756 --> 00:13:59,156 Speaker 1: it on track and uh, we were joking about how 227 00:13:59,236 --> 00:14:00,876 Speaker 1: much torque it has and I was like, you know, 228 00:14:00,996 --> 00:14:03,756 Speaker 1: I bet you could start this car dead stop from 229 00:14:03,876 --> 00:14:06,396 Speaker 1: fourth and then do a whole lap never shifting, and 230 00:14:06,516 --> 00:14:10,956 Speaker 1: we did. I think you could do it in fifth, 231 00:14:11,036 --> 00:14:13,316 Speaker 1: but we didn't want to try. Just a tidal wave 232 00:14:13,356 --> 00:14:16,276 Speaker 1: of torque from this car. And it just it's so 233 00:14:16,876 --> 00:14:22,276 Speaker 1: instantaneously responsive. The engine just loves to come off the throttle. 234 00:14:22,396 --> 00:14:25,516 Speaker 1: It's just so so there for you all the time. 235 00:14:25,636 --> 00:14:28,556 Speaker 1: And that applies to the steering, that applies to the brakes, 236 00:14:29,036 --> 00:14:32,716 Speaker 1: and Cadillac has gone way out on the ass and 237 00:14:32,796 --> 00:14:36,156 Speaker 1: toe and keeps tuning and tuning until there's nothing left 238 00:14:36,196 --> 00:14:38,516 Speaker 1: that's wrong with the car. It's just honing and honing. 239 00:14:38,916 --> 00:14:41,676 Speaker 1: And I talked to one of the chassis engineers and 240 00:14:41,956 --> 00:14:45,556 Speaker 1: he said, you know, this car has electric power steering. 241 00:14:45,716 --> 00:14:48,316 Speaker 1: It does not have hydraulic power steering. And a lot 242 00:14:48,356 --> 00:14:51,636 Speaker 1: of cars with electric power steering don't have any road feel. 243 00:14:51,676 --> 00:14:53,876 Speaker 1: You can't feel the texture of the road, and I 244 00:14:53,916 --> 00:14:55,756 Speaker 1: would say most of them. And it's a huge pet 245 00:14:55,796 --> 00:14:58,996 Speaker 1: peeva mind that. You know, a car that should be 246 00:14:59,076 --> 00:15:03,436 Speaker 1: really sporting, performance oriented doesn't give you tactile feedback through 247 00:15:03,476 --> 00:15:07,156 Speaker 1: the wheel. And he said, we really really worked on 248 00:15:07,276 --> 00:15:11,996 Speaker 1: all those transitional phases of steering inputs to give you 249 00:15:12,076 --> 00:15:14,916 Speaker 1: that feedback, and that's why that car feels so alive 250 00:15:15,036 --> 00:15:17,756 Speaker 1: and feels so good, and it's so big, but it 251 00:15:17,876 --> 00:15:21,436 Speaker 1: just totally shrinks around you. It's super comfortable. It's really 252 00:15:21,476 --> 00:15:25,316 Speaker 1: a Cadillac in every way, super smooth, but man, it 253 00:15:25,476 --> 00:15:27,796 Speaker 1: just goes and goes and goes and just never wants 254 00:15:27,836 --> 00:15:31,636 Speaker 1: to give up. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about the steering feedback. 255 00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:33,596 Speaker 1: And one of the things that is kind of amazing 256 00:15:33,636 --> 00:15:36,116 Speaker 1: about that car is you can tell what's happening at 257 00:15:36,156 --> 00:15:39,796 Speaker 1: the tires, but it's not jittering under your hand, because 258 00:15:39,836 --> 00:15:41,876 Speaker 1: you know, you get in like a hyper car or 259 00:15:41,876 --> 00:15:44,836 Speaker 1: a real sports car, and you know you could you 260 00:15:44,956 --> 00:15:47,916 Speaker 1: could tell not just where the ruts are, but where 261 00:15:47,996 --> 00:15:49,956 Speaker 1: like each pebble is and how big it is and 262 00:15:50,076 --> 00:15:52,716 Speaker 1: maybe what color it is from, like how much everything 263 00:15:52,836 --> 00:15:55,356 Speaker 1: is moving around and you're kind of can it can 264 00:15:55,396 --> 00:15:57,436 Speaker 1: be exhausting if you're doing it as a daily driver, 265 00:15:57,596 --> 00:16:00,636 Speaker 1: and it would be inappropriate for a Cadillac to be 266 00:16:01,556 --> 00:16:05,436 Speaker 1: that hyperactive. And it's not, you know, like it's still 267 00:16:05,676 --> 00:16:08,436 Speaker 1: like you said, it's still a comfortable car, you know. 268 00:16:08,436 --> 00:16:11,756 Speaker 1: I mean, it always sounds rowdy, but not It's not 269 00:16:12,116 --> 00:16:15,116 Speaker 1: a muscle car, even though it hangs with the muscle cars. 270 00:16:15,396 --> 00:16:20,156 Speaker 1: You know much better manners. Yeah, incredible, impeccable manners. Knows 271 00:16:20,196 --> 00:16:23,876 Speaker 1: which fork to use, and it's got those trick dampers 272 00:16:23,956 --> 00:16:27,436 Speaker 1: that really work wanders on the car's ride. It also 273 00:16:27,516 --> 00:16:29,956 Speaker 1: has a usable back seat, which I know is you know, 274 00:16:30,116 --> 00:16:33,756 Speaker 1: maybe an afterthought in this conversation, but since we are 275 00:16:33,836 --> 00:16:36,916 Speaker 1: talking about sedans, you can have four people in that 276 00:16:37,076 --> 00:16:41,356 Speaker 1: car and they will they will all be reasonably comfortable. Yeah, 277 00:16:41,476 --> 00:16:43,396 Speaker 1: it's true. You can take it to the opera. It's 278 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:45,916 Speaker 1: like what Fairy Porsche Is said about the nine to eleven. 279 00:16:46,756 --> 00:16:50,236 Speaker 1: You can take it to the East African Safari Rally, 280 00:16:50,356 --> 00:16:52,596 Speaker 1: and you can take it to the opera. I don't 281 00:16:52,636 --> 00:16:54,156 Speaker 1: want to sit in the back of a nine to eleven, 282 00:16:55,596 --> 00:16:59,036 Speaker 1: No one does. Those are seats for insurance purposes only 283 00:16:59,396 --> 00:17:06,876 Speaker 1: and some groceries. After the break, more sports sedans with 284 00:17:07,036 --> 00:17:19,916 Speaker 1: our guest Alana Share. Okay, So moving on from a 285 00:17:20,036 --> 00:17:22,076 Speaker 1: car that you know has a whole myth around it 286 00:17:22,316 --> 00:17:24,276 Speaker 1: to another one that has a whole myth around it. 287 00:17:24,796 --> 00:17:30,116 Speaker 1: The Honda Civic Type are the new for twenty twenty three. 288 00:17:30,196 --> 00:17:33,636 Speaker 1: Civic Type are just loves to attack corners and on ramps. 289 00:17:34,356 --> 00:17:39,316 Speaker 1: It's three fifteen horsepower turbocharged four banger sends power through 290 00:17:39,396 --> 00:17:43,796 Speaker 1: one of the greatest manual transmissions ever made. The Type 291 00:17:43,956 --> 00:17:47,236 Speaker 1: R costs forty four thousand dollars, but good luck prying 292 00:17:47,276 --> 00:17:51,356 Speaker 1: it out of the dealer's hands for that price. The 293 00:17:51,476 --> 00:17:53,596 Speaker 1: one I drove, I think you drove the same one 294 00:17:54,156 --> 00:17:58,836 Speaker 1: was white with a full red and black interior, red carpets. Oh. 295 00:17:59,076 --> 00:18:02,556 Speaker 1: It was insane, and I think really really beautiful, And 296 00:18:03,436 --> 00:18:05,636 Speaker 1: I just love the way this corresponded. It felt so 297 00:18:06,076 --> 00:18:09,756 Speaker 1: kind of cheerful. What was your take on the Civic Type. Well, 298 00:18:09,756 --> 00:18:11,796 Speaker 1: it's funny because we started off by saying that we 299 00:18:11,916 --> 00:18:14,676 Speaker 1: felt like a perfect sport sedan was like for the 300 00:18:14,796 --> 00:18:19,956 Speaker 1: dignified hooligan, and if you think about the previous Type are, 301 00:18:20,956 --> 00:18:23,956 Speaker 1: there was nothing dignified about it. It was all hooligan. 302 00:18:24,276 --> 00:18:28,356 Speaker 1: M I kind of loved it because I enjoy a 303 00:18:28,516 --> 00:18:33,116 Speaker 1: certain kind of rudeness in design, where people are like 304 00:18:33,556 --> 00:18:36,356 Speaker 1: I remember once that I was in a parking lot 305 00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:38,676 Speaker 1: and it wasn't a Type AR. I think it was 306 00:18:38,716 --> 00:18:41,196 Speaker 1: a WRX or something, but there's some something with a 307 00:18:41,236 --> 00:18:43,836 Speaker 1: big wing in the parking lot and this older couple 308 00:18:43,916 --> 00:18:47,436 Speaker 1: walked by and the husband was like, Oh, that spoiler, 309 00:18:47,636 --> 00:18:49,116 Speaker 1: and the wife was like, why is it called a 310 00:18:49,156 --> 00:18:53,036 Speaker 1: spoiler because it spoils the look of the car. I 311 00:18:53,156 --> 00:18:55,756 Speaker 1: always think about it. I like them, but I always 312 00:18:55,796 --> 00:18:57,796 Speaker 1: think about what they must look like to people who 313 00:18:57,836 --> 00:19:01,876 Speaker 1: don't understand, you know, the tradition or the point of them. 314 00:19:03,276 --> 00:19:07,076 Speaker 1: It must just be very confusing. So anyway, now, the 315 00:19:07,156 --> 00:19:10,396 Speaker 1: type bar is definitely dignified. I mean, you know, from 316 00:19:10,476 --> 00:19:13,756 Speaker 1: the front, you're like, oh yeah, classy car looks good, 317 00:19:14,676 --> 00:19:16,596 Speaker 1: and then in the back it's just enough to be like, 318 00:19:17,196 --> 00:19:21,836 Speaker 1: what's going on here? It does have that big spoiler 319 00:19:21,956 --> 00:19:24,316 Speaker 1: on the back looks more like a tall rack than 320 00:19:24,716 --> 00:19:27,676 Speaker 1: an aero device, right, But it's a bit of a mullet. 321 00:19:28,036 --> 00:19:32,356 Speaker 1: It's business upfront, party in the back. They couldn't resist. 322 00:19:32,516 --> 00:19:35,516 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's very functional. I'm sure it's great, but 323 00:19:36,276 --> 00:19:41,436 Speaker 1: I would I would take that off. You're gonna look 324 00:19:41,476 --> 00:19:43,916 Speaker 1: really silly driving around in your super Bird with no 325 00:19:44,076 --> 00:19:47,876 Speaker 1: wing on the pond the back. Sure, I thought the 326 00:19:47,956 --> 00:19:50,596 Speaker 1: shifter in this car was incredible. I'm just gonna say that. 327 00:19:50,876 --> 00:19:53,116 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that. You know, if you 328 00:19:53,196 --> 00:19:55,916 Speaker 1: have not for some reason been won over to a 329 00:19:55,996 --> 00:20:00,236 Speaker 1: manual transmission, this is just a delight to drive. It's 330 00:20:00,316 --> 00:20:04,836 Speaker 1: so easy, so easy. The shifts are very short and 331 00:20:05,036 --> 00:20:10,276 Speaker 1: very positive. You have that beautiful metal shift nab that's 332 00:20:10,916 --> 00:20:15,036 Speaker 1: just really rewarding to touch, and it just feels great. 333 00:20:15,556 --> 00:20:19,516 Speaker 1: They have automatic rev matching, so you can downshift and 334 00:20:19,636 --> 00:20:23,156 Speaker 1: look like a superstar in this car. You don't need 335 00:20:23,196 --> 00:20:26,036 Speaker 1: to heal and toe and it just makes you incredibly smooth. 336 00:20:26,836 --> 00:20:30,876 Speaker 1: And this whole thing to me felt like the essence 337 00:20:30,956 --> 00:20:35,716 Speaker 1: of Honda, which was, you know, this idea of man maximum, 338 00:20:36,116 --> 00:20:39,596 Speaker 1: machine minimum. So it's very driving focus. You know, that's 339 00:20:39,636 --> 00:20:43,716 Speaker 1: their sort of philosophy. It's sort of outdated gender wise, however, 340 00:20:44,836 --> 00:20:48,836 Speaker 1: the idea, the idea is that the vehicle should serve 341 00:20:48,916 --> 00:20:52,396 Speaker 1: the person rather than the other way around. And I 342 00:20:52,556 --> 00:20:54,996 Speaker 1: felt like, instead of just sort of driving this car, 343 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:58,636 Speaker 1: you sort of plug into it and it's supernatural, super fluid, 344 00:20:58,996 --> 00:21:03,716 Speaker 1: really floats beautifully and you know, I don't know, it's 345 00:21:03,756 --> 00:21:06,156 Speaker 1: forty three grand or something like that, I think it's 346 00:21:06,196 --> 00:21:09,036 Speaker 1: worth it, especially when the average transaction price of a 347 00:21:09,156 --> 00:21:12,916 Speaker 1: car is like forty eight thousand dollars. Yeah, I am 348 00:21:12,996 --> 00:21:15,516 Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed in the price, I have to say, 349 00:21:15,596 --> 00:21:18,716 Speaker 1: because I kind of always wanted this to be a 350 00:21:18,836 --> 00:21:25,716 Speaker 1: car that you know, younger people could have, um, you know, 351 00:21:25,796 --> 00:21:28,476 Speaker 1: and before it was a car that really only younger 352 00:21:28,516 --> 00:21:32,196 Speaker 1: people would have wanted to have been seen in Great Point. 353 00:21:32,796 --> 00:21:36,356 Speaker 1: But now, you know, now it is so much more adult. 354 00:21:36,396 --> 00:21:39,716 Speaker 1: It will have a much more mature audience, which means 355 00:21:39,796 --> 00:21:42,076 Speaker 1: that there are going to be more people who can 356 00:21:42,196 --> 00:21:44,996 Speaker 1: afford it, even as the price keeps going up. And 357 00:21:46,516 --> 00:21:50,916 Speaker 1: you know that's uh, it's good for Honda, it's you know, 358 00:21:51,116 --> 00:21:53,876 Speaker 1: good for grown ups. But you know, won't somebody think 359 00:21:53,916 --> 00:21:55,956 Speaker 1: of the kids? Well, you know, speaking of the kids, 360 00:21:56,836 --> 00:22:03,316 Speaker 1: I was looking at used versions of the twenty twenty 361 00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:06,716 Speaker 1: one and earlier Civic type our and those things are 362 00:22:06,756 --> 00:22:11,196 Speaker 1: going for fifty thousand dollars. So I have to imagine 363 00:22:11,236 --> 00:22:14,356 Speaker 1: there's going to be some dealer price gouging on this thing. 364 00:22:14,796 --> 00:22:17,716 Speaker 1: And you know, the forty three or whatever it is, 365 00:22:17,996 --> 00:22:20,476 Speaker 1: I mean, the average transaction price might be higher than that. 366 00:22:22,316 --> 00:22:24,516 Speaker 1: And we're just in a weird time, you know, because 367 00:22:24,556 --> 00:22:27,476 Speaker 1: of the supply shortages. It's driving the cost of everything up. 368 00:22:28,316 --> 00:22:31,996 Speaker 1: Hopefully it abates in twenty twenty three, but you know, 369 00:22:32,076 --> 00:22:36,356 Speaker 1: I think if you get one at forty four, you're winning. Yeah, 370 00:22:36,396 --> 00:22:38,076 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think there's going to be 371 00:22:38,196 --> 00:22:41,516 Speaker 1: regrets from people who buy them. Yeah, no, I think 372 00:22:41,556 --> 00:22:43,956 Speaker 1: they're going to be totally satisfied. I love the thing. 373 00:22:44,876 --> 00:22:48,636 Speaker 1: Um you know, there is a car out there, however, 374 00:22:49,196 --> 00:22:51,196 Speaker 1: that sort of does with the Civic type R does, 375 00:22:51,756 --> 00:22:55,556 Speaker 1: but much more cheaply. And this thing was the surprise 376 00:22:55,716 --> 00:23:04,556 Speaker 1: of the year for me. The Day Elantra N. Yes, 377 00:23:04,916 --> 00:23:09,876 Speaker 1: the Unda Elantra N. This thing is no joke. It's 378 00:23:09,876 --> 00:23:13,636 Speaker 1: a road gripping, corner eating monster. Even if it's two 379 00:23:13,756 --> 00:23:17,236 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy six horsepower turbo four is less than 380 00:23:17,316 --> 00:23:27,036 Speaker 1: half the engine in the black one. The Hyundai Elantra N. Okay, 381 00:23:27,156 --> 00:23:30,796 Speaker 1: you think Elantra Okay, that's a rental car. Elantra N. 382 00:23:31,556 --> 00:23:33,836 Speaker 1: Totally different. Ball Wax. This is a car that I've 383 00:23:33,916 --> 00:23:36,156 Speaker 1: driven a lot. I just drove it on road and 384 00:23:36,236 --> 00:23:41,196 Speaker 1: tracks Hudson Quatracento rally and the Ferraris could not get 385 00:23:41,236 --> 00:23:43,196 Speaker 1: away from me in this thing. I was hounding them. 386 00:23:43,476 --> 00:23:47,476 Speaker 1: It has so much driver feedback. You know exactly how 387 00:23:47,516 --> 00:23:50,316 Speaker 1: to place this car. The power band is terrific. There's 388 00:23:50,356 --> 00:23:53,836 Speaker 1: power sort of everywhere. The steering is great, the brakes 389 00:23:53,836 --> 00:23:56,916 Speaker 1: are great. It's just so faithful. This car is like 390 00:23:57,036 --> 00:24:00,516 Speaker 1: a trainer jet for guys who are going to be flying, 391 00:24:00,636 --> 00:24:04,276 Speaker 1: you know, F thirty five. It's like reminds me of 392 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:07,116 Speaker 1: you know, Backlund I was growing up cars like the 393 00:24:07,276 --> 00:24:11,276 Speaker 1: Nissan Sentra se are that we're sort of like your 394 00:24:11,356 --> 00:24:16,316 Speaker 1: first step on the enthusiast performance ladder. Did you get 395 00:24:16,396 --> 00:24:19,796 Speaker 1: some time in this thing? Absolutely yeah, I've I've done 396 00:24:19,836 --> 00:24:22,036 Speaker 1: a couple of couple of stints in this car and 397 00:24:22,556 --> 00:24:29,116 Speaker 1: it's hilarious. It's like, so if if the Audie that 398 00:24:29,236 --> 00:24:31,596 Speaker 1: we talked about in the beginning is maybe a little 399 00:24:31,676 --> 00:24:35,596 Speaker 1: too dignified and a little not Bouliganish enough, this one 400 00:24:36,076 --> 00:24:39,556 Speaker 1: is edging up on not dignified enough because I mean it, 401 00:24:39,756 --> 00:24:42,076 Speaker 1: you know, it burbles and farts. It has this like 402 00:24:42,796 --> 00:24:44,756 Speaker 1: sound mode. In fact, I believe that it was the 403 00:24:44,836 --> 00:24:46,996 Speaker 1: Elantra end right now, or might be a a lost end. 404 00:24:47,036 --> 00:24:50,036 Speaker 1: But like currently in California there's a lawsuit going on 405 00:24:50,196 --> 00:24:54,236 Speaker 1: because somebody got a noise ticket in a stock end 406 00:24:54,316 --> 00:24:57,476 Speaker 1: car because it's so loud in its sport mode like 407 00:24:57,716 --> 00:25:00,876 Speaker 1: it's it's so they were accused of having a modified 408 00:25:00,956 --> 00:25:04,316 Speaker 1: car because it sounds like it is totally hot rotted. 409 00:25:05,116 --> 00:25:10,636 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. The sounds are great, this little induction flutter, 410 00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:13,836 Speaker 1: you know when when you're on the gas and the 411 00:25:13,956 --> 00:25:17,676 Speaker 1: noise on the outside is loud and barky, and you know, 412 00:25:18,076 --> 00:25:21,396 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of crazy. But it's comfortable. I think 413 00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:23,676 Speaker 1: you can get four people in it pretty comfortably. And 414 00:25:23,796 --> 00:25:26,676 Speaker 1: the driving positions great. The seats are really well bolstered. 415 00:25:27,436 --> 00:25:29,516 Speaker 1: I love driving it. I was. I found it sort 416 00:25:29,556 --> 00:25:31,756 Speaker 1: of addictive. Yeah, I liked it a lot too. And so, 417 00:25:31,996 --> 00:25:33,436 Speaker 1: you know, I bring home a lot of cars. And 418 00:25:33,556 --> 00:25:36,476 Speaker 1: my husband, who's also into cars, but he likes classic cars. 419 00:25:37,076 --> 00:25:39,956 Speaker 1: He hates them all. He was like, doesn't it doesn't 420 00:25:40,196 --> 00:25:42,916 Speaker 1: it'll be like, oh, here's a McLaren seven six five, 421 00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:44,596 Speaker 1: Do you want to take it around the block? No, 422 00:25:45,676 --> 00:25:48,956 Speaker 1: Like he just like does why not? Doesn't get why 423 00:25:49,076 --> 00:25:51,716 Speaker 1: is just no interest in it? He does. He thinks 424 00:25:51,756 --> 00:25:54,316 Speaker 1: they're boring and he doesn't like all of the stuff. 425 00:25:54,436 --> 00:25:57,196 Speaker 1: He doesn't like all of these screens, he doesn't like 426 00:25:57,436 --> 00:26:00,916 Speaker 1: the the electronics that are doing things, you know, rear 427 00:26:00,956 --> 00:26:04,076 Speaker 1: wheel steer and you know, stop starting all of that. 428 00:26:04,236 --> 00:26:07,396 Speaker 1: He's just like, it's in the way, it's it's impure. 429 00:26:07,716 --> 00:26:09,996 Speaker 1: But there are a couple full of cars that he 430 00:26:10,076 --> 00:26:12,236 Speaker 1: has liked over the years that I've brought home, and 431 00:26:12,996 --> 00:26:14,756 Speaker 1: the Elantra End was one of them. And I think 432 00:26:14,796 --> 00:26:17,796 Speaker 1: it was just because it's just like a stick there 433 00:26:18,116 --> 00:26:20,236 Speaker 1: wasn't really doing anything for you. You just had to 434 00:26:20,316 --> 00:26:23,156 Speaker 1: do your own thing, and that was one where he 435 00:26:23,556 --> 00:26:26,116 Speaker 1: was happy to drive it. So sticks in my memory 436 00:26:26,156 --> 00:26:27,956 Speaker 1: as being like, oh, well, this car is good enough 437 00:26:27,996 --> 00:26:31,076 Speaker 1: that it'll win over somebody who, you know, only normally 438 00:26:31,276 --> 00:26:36,876 Speaker 1: likes things from like nineteen thirty. And I'm really kind 439 00:26:36,916 --> 00:26:39,516 Speaker 1: of glad that they've They've focused a lot of this 440 00:26:39,676 --> 00:26:44,996 Speaker 1: attention on the smaller cars. You know, this sort of 441 00:26:45,356 --> 00:26:51,916 Speaker 1: compact size really works with the power it. I just 442 00:26:52,076 --> 00:26:54,196 Speaker 1: like a smaller car. I think cars have gotten too big, 443 00:26:54,476 --> 00:26:57,276 Speaker 1: and this one feels just exactly right, big enough inside 444 00:26:57,716 --> 00:27:00,116 Speaker 1: for a family. It's it's a little bit like what 445 00:27:00,276 --> 00:27:02,476 Speaker 1: we were talking about with the Honda, you know, really 446 00:27:02,596 --> 00:27:06,596 Speaker 1: kind of roomy and airy inside. Honda more so. But 447 00:27:06,916 --> 00:27:08,756 Speaker 1: they don't need to be much bigger than this. They 448 00:27:09,116 --> 00:27:13,916 Speaker 1: they really don't. And I'm I'm just a super fan. Yeah, 449 00:27:13,996 --> 00:27:16,516 Speaker 1: I mean, all four of the cars in our lineup 450 00:27:16,676 --> 00:27:21,676 Speaker 1: are really great size wise, and you don't really realize 451 00:27:21,716 --> 00:27:24,076 Speaker 1: it if you're used to driving a big truck or 452 00:27:24,116 --> 00:27:25,876 Speaker 1: if you've been driving an suv. But when you get 453 00:27:25,956 --> 00:27:29,076 Speaker 1: into a sedan and you pull into a parking spot 454 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:33,436 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, there's space on either side inside 455 00:27:33,476 --> 00:27:35,196 Speaker 1: the lines, Like I can get in and out of 456 00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:38,356 Speaker 1: this car. I'm not touching the close to touching the 457 00:27:38,436 --> 00:27:40,916 Speaker 1: other person's car. I didn't have to spend I didn't 458 00:27:40,916 --> 00:27:43,396 Speaker 1: have to like rearrange the car a couple of times 459 00:27:43,436 --> 00:27:46,196 Speaker 1: to get it into this parking spot. And you're like, oh, right, yeah, 460 00:27:46,276 --> 00:27:49,676 Speaker 1: everything's too big. We should be smaller, right, And I 461 00:27:49,716 --> 00:27:52,676 Speaker 1: feel like you could get to watch ends side by 462 00:27:52,756 --> 00:27:56,636 Speaker 1: side in one of those Costco parking lot spaces. You 463 00:27:56,756 --> 00:27:59,996 Speaker 1: know that they're designed for, you know, school buses and 464 00:28:00,076 --> 00:28:02,276 Speaker 1: big rigs. Yeah, you could park get at a Trader Joe's. 465 00:28:02,276 --> 00:28:10,476 Speaker 1: And that's saying something totally. So what's the best sports 466 00:28:10,516 --> 00:28:22,956 Speaker 1: adan of twenty twenty two? You'll find out after the break. Okay, 467 00:28:23,516 --> 00:28:36,676 Speaker 1: time to rank them. As a reminder, we've got the Audi, 468 00:28:37,156 --> 00:28:43,476 Speaker 1: the Cadillac, the Honda, and the Hyundai. Getting back to 469 00:28:43,796 --> 00:28:46,516 Speaker 1: this lineup and and thinking about how we want to 470 00:28:46,636 --> 00:28:51,996 Speaker 1: rank them, I think we're both pretty clear on um 471 00:28:52,596 --> 00:28:56,676 Speaker 1: what number four is. I think the Audie takes the 472 00:28:56,876 --> 00:29:01,436 Speaker 1: last spot here just because it doesn't it doesn't return 473 00:29:01,516 --> 00:29:04,636 Speaker 1: the kind of love that you expect. It doesn't love 474 00:29:04,716 --> 00:29:08,916 Speaker 1: you back. Yeah, you know, it's it's working, it's working 475 00:29:08,956 --> 00:29:11,076 Speaker 1: for you, it's paid help, and it leaves at the 476 00:29:11,156 --> 00:29:15,596 Speaker 1: end of the day and never thinks about you. It's impressive, no, 477 00:29:16,156 --> 00:29:19,636 Speaker 1: no question. It really does, you know, do what it 478 00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:22,076 Speaker 1: says it's going to do. And it gets around a 479 00:29:22,156 --> 00:29:25,156 Speaker 1: racetrack really quickly. It's incredibly quick, and it really sticks 480 00:29:25,196 --> 00:29:29,196 Speaker 1: to the road. But it's just robotic, you know, it's 481 00:29:29,236 --> 00:29:32,036 Speaker 1: a drum machine versus a real drummer. I keep coming 482 00:29:32,076 --> 00:29:35,156 Speaker 1: back to this analogy, but it really just lacks that feel. 483 00:29:36,596 --> 00:29:39,396 Speaker 1: But so yeah, I think Audie R S three doesn't 484 00:29:39,596 --> 00:29:42,756 Speaker 1: doesn't do what you wanted to do. I think the 485 00:29:43,036 --> 00:29:46,196 Speaker 1: S three actually provides more tectility and feedback than the 486 00:29:46,356 --> 00:29:49,596 Speaker 1: RS three. But I just think it's it's four out 487 00:29:49,636 --> 00:29:53,956 Speaker 1: of four here. Yeah, somebody has to come in last, somebody, 488 00:29:55,396 --> 00:30:00,236 Speaker 1: And they're all really great cars, and my third spot, 489 00:30:00,396 --> 00:30:05,036 Speaker 1: even though I love this car, irrationally goes to the 490 00:30:05,116 --> 00:30:09,356 Speaker 1: Elantra end because if we're talking about dignified hooliganism. This 491 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:16,516 Speaker 1: ain't it. And it's really silly looking, yeah, it is, 492 00:30:16,636 --> 00:30:18,836 Speaker 1: especially in that blue you know that. I mean, you 493 00:30:18,876 --> 00:30:21,076 Speaker 1: can you can love it. It's kind of it's lovable, 494 00:30:21,156 --> 00:30:23,436 Speaker 1: but it's not pretty. It's not a pretty car. And 495 00:30:23,876 --> 00:30:28,556 Speaker 1: you know, the Honda Civic Type R just has those 496 00:30:29,196 --> 00:30:33,316 Speaker 1: tiny degrees of refinement above and beyond this car that 497 00:30:33,716 --> 00:30:38,636 Speaker 1: that to me, put it above the Elantra and the 498 00:30:38,716 --> 00:30:42,316 Speaker 1: Civic Type R has that wonderful kind of fluidity. And 499 00:30:42,836 --> 00:30:47,036 Speaker 1: you know, with the the Elantra N, you're you're in 500 00:30:47,116 --> 00:30:49,276 Speaker 1: a bit of a wrestling match. You know, you're punching 501 00:30:49,316 --> 00:30:51,556 Speaker 1: it in the face and it's kicking you in the shins, 502 00:30:51,876 --> 00:30:54,236 Speaker 1: and you're just like back and forth with this car 503 00:30:54,316 --> 00:30:58,436 Speaker 1: and you're rumbling with it, whereas the Civic Type R 504 00:30:58,596 --> 00:31:01,196 Speaker 1: is so much more elegant and fluid and it just 505 00:31:01,356 --> 00:31:03,796 Speaker 1: flows from corner corner and you're not you know, you're 506 00:31:03,836 --> 00:31:06,116 Speaker 1: not muscling it in the same way. Even though I 507 00:31:06,196 --> 00:31:09,036 Speaker 1: love the elantraand um and it is fluid, but it's 508 00:31:09,316 --> 00:31:12,716 Speaker 1: not doesn't have that same degree of refinement as I do. 509 00:31:12,916 --> 00:31:16,476 Speaker 1: Feel like the price difference is reflected in kind of 510 00:31:16,556 --> 00:31:22,636 Speaker 1: the the finish work and the fineness of input as 511 00:31:22,676 --> 00:31:24,316 Speaker 1: well in those two cars, you know, I mean, the 512 00:31:24,436 --> 00:31:27,196 Speaker 1: the Alantra End gets high points for being it's like 513 00:31:27,316 --> 00:31:31,356 Speaker 1: mid thirties or something. Yeah, start, yeah, So it's like 514 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:35,156 Speaker 1: truly an affordable car. You get a lot for your money. Um, 515 00:31:35,636 --> 00:31:38,476 Speaker 1: but if you pay you know a little more, you 516 00:31:38,556 --> 00:31:41,276 Speaker 1: pay ten more or whatever, and you move into the Civic. 517 00:31:42,076 --> 00:31:45,596 Speaker 1: It's definitely kind of a cleaner experience. It feels like 518 00:31:45,756 --> 00:31:48,716 Speaker 1: just sort of a higher class of car, you know. 519 00:31:49,636 --> 00:31:52,516 Speaker 1: I think they're both worth the money, but you know, 520 00:31:52,756 --> 00:31:57,516 Speaker 1: the type is more expensive and justifiably so. And that's 521 00:31:57,556 --> 00:31:59,876 Speaker 1: my second pick. I don't know, do you agree or 522 00:31:59,916 --> 00:32:03,076 Speaker 1: would you put that first? I agree that those are 523 00:32:03,116 --> 00:32:06,876 Speaker 1: the two middle cars. They're very close for me, if 524 00:32:06,956 --> 00:32:11,556 Speaker 1: it I might swap them, just purely on trying to push, 525 00:32:12,956 --> 00:32:14,876 Speaker 1: you know, like how much you get for how little 526 00:32:14,876 --> 00:32:18,156 Speaker 1: money in the Elantra. But then you're so right about 527 00:32:18,196 --> 00:32:22,076 Speaker 1: the dignified like if we're really talking sports sedan, I mean, 528 00:32:22,356 --> 00:32:26,076 Speaker 1: the Elantra End is more like a like a you know, 529 00:32:26,556 --> 00:32:38,116 Speaker 1: hot hatch with that extra doors so right exactly, so 530 00:32:38,676 --> 00:32:42,796 Speaker 1: that leaves you know, like my favorite car ever, the 531 00:32:42,956 --> 00:32:47,236 Speaker 1: CT five v black Wing from Cadillac, and I do 532 00:32:47,396 --> 00:32:51,516 Speaker 1: think this is like the last of of the holdouts. 533 00:32:52,116 --> 00:32:55,356 Speaker 1: You know, it's got this gigantic six point two Leader 534 00:32:55,756 --> 00:33:03,876 Speaker 1: V eight supercharged and it's so responsive, it's so it's magical. 535 00:33:04,356 --> 00:33:06,756 Speaker 1: It's just magical. I don't know how they did it. 536 00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:10,036 Speaker 1: It feels like an animal, feels like you're riding a cheetah. 537 00:33:10,436 --> 00:33:13,276 Speaker 1: And all of its tricks are brilliant tricks. You know, 538 00:33:13,396 --> 00:33:15,556 Speaker 1: you can like flat shift it. You know, it also 539 00:33:15,676 --> 00:33:19,556 Speaker 1: has rev match, like it has like a burnout mode. 540 00:33:19,596 --> 00:33:24,236 Speaker 1: It makes you like you are a genius at driving, 541 00:33:25,036 --> 00:33:27,716 Speaker 1: even if you're only okay. And if you are good 542 00:33:27,716 --> 00:33:32,236 Speaker 1: at driving, then it's just a perfect partner. That's such 543 00:33:32,276 --> 00:33:35,156 Speaker 1: a good point because great cars all do the same thing. 544 00:33:35,796 --> 00:33:38,396 Speaker 1: They make you a better driver, they make you more 545 00:33:38,436 --> 00:33:41,436 Speaker 1: in tune with the machine, they make you more conscious 546 00:33:41,636 --> 00:33:46,636 Speaker 1: of your environment. It's so silky smooth, and it's like 547 00:33:46,836 --> 00:33:50,396 Speaker 1: it just matches whatever mood you're in, and it's phenomenal. 548 00:33:50,476 --> 00:33:53,036 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it might be the last 549 00:33:53,076 --> 00:33:55,156 Speaker 1: of the greats. I certainly think it's the best sports 550 00:33:55,236 --> 00:33:58,716 Speaker 1: n ever created. I think it's better than anything BMW 551 00:33:58,956 --> 00:34:02,316 Speaker 1: or Mercedes or Audie have ever done. Oh, there are 552 00:34:02,316 --> 00:34:04,796 Speaker 1: a lot of fanboys having a heart attack right now, 553 00:34:05,196 --> 00:34:07,996 Speaker 1: I know, but man, I just think it's so darn good. 554 00:34:08,476 --> 00:34:12,076 Speaker 1: I really can't find anything to fault on that car. 555 00:34:12,436 --> 00:34:14,276 Speaker 1: You might not like the styling, you might not like 556 00:34:14,476 --> 00:34:19,836 Speaker 1: some of the interior applications, but holy smokes, it's just 557 00:34:19,996 --> 00:34:25,316 Speaker 1: so good. They just like make life worth living. This car, 558 00:34:25,436 --> 00:34:28,036 Speaker 1: to me, is one of those things. It's like, you know, 559 00:34:28,836 --> 00:34:32,516 Speaker 1: I don't know. I put it up there with coltranees 560 00:34:32,516 --> 00:34:35,596 Speaker 1: a Love Supreme. I think it's flawless. I don't think 561 00:34:35,636 --> 00:34:38,676 Speaker 1: there's any way to better it. It's just it's magical. 562 00:34:38,956 --> 00:34:42,476 Speaker 1: And somehow they have all you know, they've got all 563 00:34:42,476 --> 00:34:46,316 Speaker 1: the same stuff as everybody else, but they just applied 564 00:34:46,396 --> 00:34:49,596 Speaker 1: it a little bit better. They applied it differently. They 565 00:34:49,716 --> 00:34:53,636 Speaker 1: made the car more alive. And I think we got 566 00:34:53,756 --> 00:34:56,836 Speaker 1: to give it to Cadillac. Yeah, if for no other 567 00:34:56,956 --> 00:34:59,396 Speaker 1: reason to give it the award, we won't get another 568 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:01,916 Speaker 1: chance to write. You know, all the other cars in 569 00:35:01,996 --> 00:35:06,876 Speaker 1: this list, they're smaller engines. There's a lot of turbos involved. 570 00:35:06,876 --> 00:35:10,516 Speaker 1: We're going to see that combination first, you know, years 571 00:35:10,556 --> 00:35:14,836 Speaker 1: to come. But a big V eight with a supercharger. 572 00:35:15,636 --> 00:35:18,756 Speaker 1: This is it man, right? You know it's not. It's 573 00:35:18,756 --> 00:35:22,116 Speaker 1: a hard sell to a lot of people and especially regulators. 574 00:35:22,876 --> 00:35:26,276 Speaker 1: So that's a terrific point. Like the big V eight 575 00:35:26,396 --> 00:35:31,636 Speaker 1: rear drive sedans with a stick, say goodbye to him, unfortunately, 576 00:35:32,316 --> 00:35:36,116 Speaker 1: or buy one better yet, say say bye to them 577 00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:40,196 Speaker 1: and purchase one. So the most expensive car at eighty 578 00:35:40,236 --> 00:35:43,876 Speaker 1: seventh grand gets it, and I think eighty seventh grand 579 00:35:44,516 --> 00:35:46,716 Speaker 1: is a small price to pay for this kind of 580 00:35:46,756 --> 00:35:52,476 Speaker 1: happiness And what could be more joyful than driving the 581 00:35:52,596 --> 00:35:56,436 Speaker 1: CT five V black Wing in southern California, which is 582 00:35:56,476 --> 00:35:58,796 Speaker 1: where we're going to take you now with my producer 583 00:35:58,916 --> 00:36:02,956 Speaker 1: Sam Dingman. Remember how last season I did a whole 584 00:36:02,996 --> 00:36:05,836 Speaker 1: episode on the bmw M five and how it was 585 00:36:05,876 --> 00:36:09,916 Speaker 1: the king of sports sedans, never to be tompled. Well, 586 00:36:10,636 --> 00:36:15,836 Speaker 1: I may have been wrong about that. So the first 587 00:36:15,876 --> 00:36:18,916 Speaker 1: thing to remember about this car, Sam, is that it's 588 00:36:18,956 --> 00:36:23,236 Speaker 1: really blue. This may be the bluest car I've ever seen. 589 00:36:23,316 --> 00:36:25,836 Speaker 1: It's the bluest blue. It does emphasize the shape in 590 00:36:25,876 --> 00:36:28,236 Speaker 1: a cool way. You can see all these bone lines 591 00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:32,116 Speaker 1: and the flares of the rear and it makes a 592 00:36:32,236 --> 00:36:38,676 Speaker 1: statement for sure. Yeah, this is to me the pinnacle 593 00:36:39,516 --> 00:36:42,356 Speaker 1: of the sport sedan. I mean, Candillac has been chasing 594 00:36:43,156 --> 00:36:47,076 Speaker 1: this idea. They wanted to be the American BMW for 595 00:36:47,156 --> 00:36:50,436 Speaker 1: so long, and they've finally done it, and it's just 596 00:36:51,036 --> 00:36:53,556 Speaker 1: a wonder to behold. Let's take it out on the road. 597 00:36:53,916 --> 00:37:03,916 Speaker 1: Let's do it so pretty muted startup song, you can't 598 00:37:03,996 --> 00:37:08,636 Speaker 1: really hear the engine, sort of faint, more HVAC noise 599 00:37:08,716 --> 00:37:17,436 Speaker 1: than any thing. So standard transmission, nice small wheeld, a 600 00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:24,716 Speaker 1: ton of intimidating buttons. Now let's get no one here. 601 00:37:25,156 --> 00:37:27,116 Speaker 1: Listen to that hum. That's a nice home. That's good, 602 00:37:31,516 --> 00:37:40,276 Speaker 1: and I'll show you that's pretty sweet sounding, right, and 603 00:37:40,716 --> 00:37:46,396 Speaker 1: pretty instantaneous. This thing already feels so light and alive, 604 00:37:47,236 --> 00:37:49,516 Speaker 1: and even at thirty five miles an hour, there's like 605 00:37:49,796 --> 00:37:56,396 Speaker 1: real feedback and not just from the engine, real feedback 606 00:37:56,436 --> 00:38:00,076 Speaker 1: from the chassis visits electric power steering, but it's um. 607 00:38:03,476 --> 00:38:07,596 Speaker 1: They've tuned it so that there is really progressive waiting. 608 00:38:08,116 --> 00:38:14,076 Speaker 1: It feels really predictable. The car feels really small, drives 609 00:38:14,116 --> 00:38:17,276 Speaker 1: really small. It doesn't feel like a big honking beast 610 00:38:17,436 --> 00:38:21,236 Speaker 1: on the road. It feels really like tight and you 611 00:38:21,316 --> 00:38:23,996 Speaker 1: know they've taken the best aspects of the great sports 612 00:38:24,036 --> 00:38:28,916 Speaker 1: of ends, re real drive, lightweight, big V eight engine, 613 00:38:30,276 --> 00:38:35,236 Speaker 1: manual transmission, and really just worked it the powers of media. 614 00:38:35,396 --> 00:38:39,356 Speaker 1: The torque is crazy. There's so much down low. It's 615 00:38:39,396 --> 00:38:44,716 Speaker 1: just got so much kick, so much grunt, and it's 616 00:38:44,876 --> 00:38:50,076 Speaker 1: like perfectly meted out by the throttle pedal. The throttle 617 00:38:50,116 --> 00:38:54,076 Speaker 1: pedal is so sensitive, it is so adjustable. The pedals 618 00:38:54,156 --> 00:39:00,116 Speaker 1: feel so good. They are just like micrometer fine. You know, 619 00:39:00,276 --> 00:39:05,676 Speaker 1: they're really highly highly sensitive. It's very easy to keep speed, 620 00:39:06,556 --> 00:39:08,716 Speaker 1: but you don't pay any kind of penalty for it. 621 00:39:08,716 --> 00:39:11,116 Speaker 1: It will speed. I mean the ride is incredible. I 622 00:39:11,196 --> 00:39:15,436 Speaker 1: mean everything is natural and it responds exactly the way 623 00:39:15,516 --> 00:39:18,836 Speaker 1: you think it will respond, and it does feel very 624 00:39:23,556 --> 00:39:32,676 Speaker 1: I would say, you know. Alive Car Show is written 625 00:39:32,716 --> 00:39:36,556 Speaker 1: and hosted by me Eddie Alterman. It's produced by Emily 626 00:39:36,716 --> 00:39:42,116 Speaker 1: Rossteg and Jacob Smith. Our editor is Karen Shakerjee. Original 627 00:39:42,236 --> 00:39:46,316 Speaker 1: music and mastering by Ben Tolliday. Our executive producer is 628 00:39:46,396 --> 00:39:50,116 Speaker 1: Mia Loebell. 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