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Speaker 1: I'm Michael Constant. We have so much to talk about tonight.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harrison, Tim Walls hard launch, conservatives are furious about tampons,
Speaker 4: and Charlemagne's The God is here to talk about Kamala's race.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, She's black.
Speaker 4: So let's get into it with another edition of Indecision
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. Yesterday, Kamala Garrison owns her vice presidential
Speaker 4: pick is Tim Walls, Minnesota governor and guy who.
Speaker 1: Just found a quarter behind your ear.
Speaker 4: And last night she took her shiny new running mate
Speaker 4: out for a spin at a rally in Philly.
Speaker 5: Violent crime was up under Donald Trump. That's not even
Speaker 5: counting the crimes he committed.
Speaker 1: Okay it with me. We aren't going back. Were aren't
Speaker 1: going back in Minnesota.
Speaker 5: We respect our neighbors and their personal choices that they make,
Speaker 5: even if we wouldn't make the same choice for ourselves.
Speaker 1: There's a golden rule. Mind your own damn business.
Speaker 4: Whoa a Minnesota and saying damn, that's spicy. But if
Speaker 4: you watch this rally, it's clear Democrats are in a
Speaker 4: much happier place than they were a few weeks ago.
Speaker 4: They're like, why did my hands keep banging together like
Speaker 4: a seal? Are the corners of my mouth going up?
Speaker 4: Why am I sick? Even I felt it? And I'm
Speaker 4: dead inside? And part of this is that Tim Walts
Speaker 4: creates excitement because he's.
Speaker 1: A new main character.
Speaker 4: It's like when you've had the same mailman for twenty
Speaker 4: years and then a new guy comes around and you're like,
Speaker 4: you know, this time, I'm gonna learn.
Speaker 1: This guy's name.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: What can I say? I'm a good person.
Speaker 4: So the point is this energy is great for Democrats
Speaker 4: and terrible for Republicans, which is why they spend all
Speaker 4: day trying to find an angle of attack on Tim Walls.
Speaker 4: And I'm open to hearing it. I don't want to
Speaker 4: be partisan, So Republicans, I'd like to hear a serious
Speaker 4: critique from one of your sharpest minds.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Scott Shelladay this morning.
Speaker 6: What do you think of Walts at the vice presidential pig?
Speaker 4: Scott, I'm gonna guess this guy's response is moo.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's give him a chance. Let's give him
Speaker 1: a chance.
Speaker 4: He might have a very valid critique of Tim Wallas's policies.
Speaker 1: Let's hear him out. Let's hear hm out.
Speaker 3: What do you think of Wals as the vice presidential
Speaker 3: pick Scott.
Speaker 1: Look story, he's not a serious candidate, all right? Not serious? Huh?
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 4: I hate having to listen to unseerious people, you know,
Speaker 4: it really pulls my utters. Look, here's a rule of thumb.
Speaker 4: You're not allowed to talk about being serious if you
Speaker 4: have to milk your clothes before putting them up. Now,
Speaker 4: to be fair, there aren't real policy issues Republicans have
Speaker 4: been hitting Walls on, like helping undocumented immigrants get healthcare
Speaker 4: and his reaction to the George Floyd protests. But they
Speaker 4: just can't resist a story like this.
Speaker 7: He supports putting tampons in the boys' bathrooms for kids
Speaker 7: as young as the fourth grade.
Speaker 8: He says Republicans are weird, Yet this is the governor
Speaker 8: who put tampons in the boy's bathroom.
Speaker 1: A nickname for Tim Walls is tampon Tim. Tampon Tim.
Speaker 1: We need to introduce tampon Tim to the world. Tampon Tim.
Speaker 1: Tampon Tim.
Speaker 4: That sounds like a fictional character parents tell their daughter
Speaker 4: about when she gets her first period. You know, like, look,
Speaker 4: look what tampon Tim left under the Saint Honey super
Speaker 4: Plus overnights. You've got your mom's flow and we couldn't
Speaker 4: be prouder. But basically what happened is that Walls passed
Speaker 4: a law that put free tampons in all public schools,
Speaker 4: including boys bathrooms. With all due respect to tampon Tim,
Speaker 4: I really just don't care about this. You know, best
Speaker 4: case scenario, a trans kid gets tampons. Worst case the
Speaker 4: weird kid in class puts them up his nose and
Speaker 4: pretends to be a walrus, which is also best case scenario. Personally,
Speaker 4: as someone who was a thirteen year old old boy,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what you put in that bathroom, whatever
Speaker 4: it is, they're gonna draw penis on it. They're gonna
Speaker 4: rip it off the wall and try to flush it
Speaker 4: down the toilet. It's either that or go to geography,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna waste my time with that anyways.
Speaker 4: Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, which is the capital
Speaker 4: of Alaska, doesn't seem to be overtly problematic, which is
Speaker 4: why Republicans are accusing him of hiding something.
Speaker 9: This is a guy who hides behind his flannel jacket,
Speaker 9: but he's actually a wolf.
Speaker 1: In sheep's clothing who cannot be trusted.
Speaker 3: A progressive in sheep's clothing. Governor Waltz is a socialist
Speaker 3: in sheep's clothing.
Speaker 1: He's a freak in sheep's clothing. He's a freak.
Speaker 4: He's a freak in sheep's clothing. That's ridiculous. Not like
Speaker 4: cow's clothing that's normal. But a sheep, what a freak? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm it's so good, by the way, isn't sheep's clothing
Speaker 4: just like a wolf's letter. I love wearing sheep's clothing.
Speaker 4: In the fall, I can make so many more cute outfits. Yeah,
Speaker 4: senior portraits here on High eight. But yes, Tim Walls
Speaker 4: maybe a former football coach, a hunter, a guy who
Speaker 4: looks like he has his own homemade dry rub. But
Speaker 4: Republicans are saying, don't be fooled by the moderate vibes.
Speaker 4: Tim Walls is a secret communist, and nobody is more
Speaker 4: on board with this line of attack than Donald Trump himself.
Speaker 10: He's a very very liberal man. If you want to
Speaker 10: know the truth, he's probably about the same as Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 10: He's probably more so than Bernie Sanders. She is more
Speaker 10: so than Bernie Sanders. Has never been a ticket like this.
Speaker 10: This is a ticket that would want this country to
Speaker 10: go communist immediately, if not sooner, immediately.
Speaker 1: If not sooner, there's no sooner. That's what makes it immediately.
Speaker 4: If you tell someone you want something sooner than immediately,
Speaker 4: they're gonna be late because they're going to waste their
Speaker 4: time thinking what kind of idiot says immediately if not sooner.
Speaker 4: By the way, yeah, by the way, when Joe Biden
Speaker 4: rambled like this, all of us were like, this man
Speaker 4: is obviously senile. But now that he's dropped out, it's
Speaker 4: becoming more obvious that Trump's brain isn't exactly in great
Speaker 4: shape either, and he.
Speaker 1: Should get that looked at immediately, if not sooner. For more.
Speaker 4: For more on the Republican reaction to Walls, we go
Speaker 4: live to Troy, Iwata, Troy, Troy. It seems like Republicans
Speaker 4: are still trying to figure out how to attack Tim Walls.
Speaker 1: No, I think they figured it out.
Speaker 11: Tim Walls is a communist Sheep, a radical left wing
Speaker 11: Marxist socialist who is also a s.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Republicans think Kamala should have picked a more
Speaker 4: moderate VP like Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 11: No, he is also a communist, a Marxist communist coach, sure, Sheep.
Speaker 11: He's exactly the type of socialist that Democrats love to
Speaker 11: pick instead of blue collar heartland people like Tim Walls.
Speaker 1: Well, Troy, they did pick Tim Walls.
Speaker 11: I know it was a big mistake picking that Marxist socialist.
Speaker 4: I'm sensing a pattern here. It seems like Republicans just
Speaker 4: label every Democrat as a communist. I mean, what if
Speaker 4: her VP pick was Captain America, the.
Speaker 11: Guy who fought Hitler like Joseph Stalin. Sounds like a
Speaker 11: communist to me.
Speaker 1: What about mister peanut.
Speaker 11: Okay, every peanut is the same same color, same shape,
Speaker 11: same taste, communist.
Speaker 4: What about the Geico gecko, anyone.
Speaker 11: That sells insurance as a communist, it's a shared risk.
Speaker 11: The gecko from State Farm, Limu, EMU and Doug all communists. Okay,
Speaker 11: And don't even get me started on Flow from Progressive. Okay,
Speaker 11: she's progressive and her name is Flow. She is definitely
Speaker 11: putting tampons in boys bathrooms?
Speaker 1: So what about what about Pepa Pig? What about Pepa Pig.
Speaker 11: That pig in a red dress who teaches kids about
Speaker 11: sharing as a communist?
Speaker 1: Uncle Sam?
Speaker 11: You know who Sam is the uncle to?
Speaker 1: Now say dong?
Speaker 11: Come on, look it up, it's on my substack, Troy?
Speaker 1: Aren't these attacks? Are these attacks getting old?
Speaker 4: Republicans do this every Democratic candidate.
Speaker 1: Can't they find something new to say?
Speaker 11: It's not the Republican's fault that everyone who doesn't agree
Speaker 11: with them in all of history has been a communist?
Speaker 1: Michael.
Speaker 11: Okay, if they picked a normal person, Republicans would call
Speaker 11: them normal.
Speaker 1: All right here here? What if the Dems say their
Speaker 1: VP is Donald Trump? Donald Trump?
Speaker 11: You mean com free money during COVID, best buds with
Speaker 11: Putin married to an Eastern European.
Speaker 1: Troy, Troy, come on, not everyone is a communist. What
Speaker 1: about you and me? Wake up? Costa?
Speaker 11: You and me work at comedy Central. I No, I'm
Speaker 11: not a communist. You're not neither, am I? Comrade bink binc?
Speaker 1: Troy? Awanta? Everybody? I mean, when we come back, Charlemagne
Speaker 1: m Good is joining us.
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Speaker 4: We all know I've got great opinions, but I'm not
Speaker 4: the only one. Studies show that other people also have opinions.
Speaker 4: So here with another installment of in my opinion is
Speaker 4: our good friend Charlemagne the God.
Speaker 6: Hey, now, if you've been following the presidential election, you've
Speaker 6: probably heard the news that there's a DEI candidate in
Speaker 6: the race. That's right, that's right, those identity of sess.
Speaker 6: Democrats picked someone just because of their race, Enginder.
Speaker 1: Tim Watz was a balancing choice for her. He's white,
Speaker 1: he's male.
Speaker 7: We do know that they wanted to get a white
Speaker 7: male in the ticket, so he's going to be that one.
Speaker 7: Here's a really important one.
Speaker 1: He's an old white dude.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Thanks to affirmative action,
Speaker 6: there is an old white guy on the Democratic ticket
Speaker 6: for the first time, for the first time.
Speaker 1: In about seventeen days.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm glad white men are finally getting that moment
Speaker 6: in the sun.
Speaker 1: Just to make sure to wear.
Speaker 6: Enough stf All right, now you all know what's really
Speaker 6: going on. According to Republicans, Tim Walls isn't the DEI
Speaker 6: higher because to them, every letter in DEI actually stands
Speaker 6: for the same thing, black black, black, which means the
Speaker 6: real DEI candidate is Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: She's a diversity hire.
Speaker 2: Of course, she's a DEI higher.
Speaker 3: She was a DEI, an incompetent diversity higher.
Speaker 1: This woman, this disaster, whose early qualification was having a
Speaker 1: vagina and the right skin color.
Speaker 6: That's right, having dark skin in a vagina is an
Speaker 6: instant path to.
Speaker 3: The Oval office.
Speaker 10: All Right.
Speaker 6: If you don't believe me, take it up with Ronald
Speaker 6: Reagan's black pussy. Listen, man, this argument is so stupid
Speaker 6: to me. If being a woman or a minority with
Speaker 6: the golden ticket to get in the head in politics,
Speaker 6: and President Andrew Yang would have already done universal basic income,
Speaker 6: and President Kanye West would have already changed the national.
Speaker 1: Anthem to gold digger.
Speaker 6: Okay, I mean, I've looked at pictures of the last
Speaker 6: forty six presidents, and it sure seems like there's one
Speaker 6: identity in particular that gives you a leg up.
Speaker 1: White man, I'm just saying.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump would not have gotten the job if his
Speaker 6: first name was Donelle. All Right, He'd be evicted himself.
Speaker 6: He'd be evicted himself from his own apartments before his
Speaker 6: career could begin. But for the sake of argument, let's
Speaker 6: suppose Kamala was given a chance because of her identity.
Speaker 6: She still had to do something with it on her own.
Speaker 6: And Kamala has done a great job as vice president.
Speaker 6: Remember that one big thing she did? Me and neither Okay,
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what you want in a VP, someone
Speaker 6: who doesn't make the news. A VP is like a
Speaker 6: carbon monoxide detective. You want to have one, but if
Speaker 6: it makes any noise, something's going something's gone wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: In fact, in fact, the last time I remember a
Speaker 6: vice president doing anything that made the news, it was.
Speaker 10: This vice president of Dick Cheney apparently broke the number
Speaker 10: one rule of hunting this weekend when he accidentally shot
Speaker 10: a friend in the face.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, accidentally, just like he accidentally invaded the
Speaker 6: wrong country after nine to eleven. Yeah, now that I
Speaker 6: think about it, Dick Cheney made the news a lot.
Speaker 3: Don't be like Dick Cheney.
Speaker 6: And this is yet another weird thing about Republicans. They
Speaker 6: always say that liberals are obsessed with race, but they're
Speaker 6: the ones who can't stop thinking about it. They had
Speaker 6: a blank slate to build a narrative around Kamala Harris,
Speaker 6: and they immediately went eighteen sixty on us because they
Speaker 6: got black on the brain. And Republicans aren't only saying
Speaker 6: Kamala is too black, they're also saying she's not black enough.
Speaker 8: Earlier in her career she identified as South Asian.
Speaker 4: Now she is considered an African American woman.
Speaker 9: Is she black?
Speaker 1: Is she Indian?
Speaker 7: Nobody knows Pamala's Indian, black heritage, or whatever it is
Speaker 7: she wants to be today.
Speaker 6: One year she's black, the next year she's of South
Speaker 6: Asian descent.
Speaker 10: She was Indian all the way, and then all of
Speaker 10: a sudden she made a turn and she went she
Speaker 10: became a black.
Speaker 6: Just to be clear, I don't know if you noticed
Speaker 6: or not, but you can be both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 6: Don't want to break your brains. But two isn't even
Speaker 6: the most racist a person can be. Yeah, Bruno Mars
Speaker 6: is the most racist a person can be.
Speaker 1: And we know what's going on here.
Speaker 6: All of these attacks are the pink Kamala as just
Speaker 6: one big phony.
Speaker 4: Going to Georgia two days ago and putting on a
Speaker 4: fixed Southern accent when you were raised in Canada.
Speaker 6: Whoa So wait, she's faking being black and she's Canadian. Well,
Speaker 6: that's the worst thing you can call somebody.
Speaker 1: This year, Drake, And it's been a rough hair for Drake.
Speaker 6: And if I were a white Republican, I'd be a
Speaker 6: little worried about Democrats flipping this on me. If Republicans
Speaker 6: are appointing themselves the black police, dims could become the
Speaker 6: white police, because not all whites or maga whites. You
Speaker 6: got kombucha whites, you got cargo short whites, you got
Speaker 6: Stanley Cup whites, both kinds of Stanley Cup, hockey and beverage.
Speaker 6: You've even got whatever kind of white Jojoe c Why
Speaker 6: is white people around the country watch that clip like
Speaker 6: she not like us?
Speaker 1: She not like us.
Speaker 6: But honestly, I'm not even mad at Republicans from bringing
Speaker 6: up Kamala's race. They've got a job to do and
Speaker 6: they're doing it the only way they know how. The
Speaker 6: real bullshit is the media for hearing the Republican talking
Speaker 6: points and treating it like it's a real story. The
Speaker 6: vice president's racial identity has.
Speaker 1: Been in the news.
Speaker 4: Identity heritage is newly injected into the race. Why is
Speaker 4: foreimer President Trump question with vice president's racial identity.
Speaker 8: Talk about racial identity dominated the headlines.
Speaker 4: The claims about Vice President Harris's identity will probably make
Speaker 4: the most headlines.
Speaker 6: What do you mean these claims will make the most headlines, CNN, MSNBC, ABC.
Speaker 6: You're the ones who decide what the headlines are.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: These issues don't make headlines unless.
Speaker 3: You put it in the headline.
Speaker 1: And none of these issues should be a headline.
Speaker 6: If a guy came up to me on the street
Speaker 6: saying the vice president is a chameleon, she can transform
Speaker 6: from Indian to black, I sat it. I'd be like, well,
Speaker 6: God bless you, sir. Here's two dollars.
Speaker 1: I gotta go.
Speaker 6: Okay, right, media, if you need headlines, it's not like
Speaker 6: it's a shortage of important issues in this election. You
Speaker 6: got immigration, you got the economy, you got reproductive rights,
Speaker 6: the best place to dispose of a road kill bear, cub.
Speaker 6: Those are things that we need to be talking about, Okay,
Speaker 6: are maybe spend some time looking at how the GOP
Speaker 6: is already planning on how to steal the election by
Speaker 6: having corrupt state officials refuse to certify the results. Getting
Speaker 6: corrupt judges to back them up before the whole thing
Speaker 6: goes to the corrupt Supreme Court that's already annointed Donald
Speaker 6: trumpet King, so now they can overturn the results of
Speaker 6: the election to declare him the winner and exchange for
Speaker 6: new RV.
Speaker 1: But hey, man, what do I know?
Speaker 3: That's just my opinion?
Speaker 6: Or man the guy?
Speaker 9: Will we come back?
Speaker 1: Barbara McQuaid will be joining me on the show, so
Speaker 1: don't go away. Welcome back to the Dalla Show.
Speaker 8: My guest tonight is the University of Michigan Law School professor,
Speaker 8: former US attorney, and author of the New York Times
Speaker 8: bestseller Attack from Within How Disinformation Is Sabotaging America?
Speaker 4: Please welcome Barbara McQuaid.
Speaker 1: Right, look at this. Look at that.
Speaker 4: There's a fist on the cover, coming out of the
Speaker 4: center of America. And I'm like, is that where the
Speaker 4: attack is coming from? Is it Nebraska right there?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, but it is a white, right handed fist. That's
Speaker 7: where the attack is coming from.
Speaker 1: Well, you know where are we in the disinformation in America?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? What is misinformation? What is disinformation? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Well, disinformation is the deliberate use of lies to manipulate
Speaker 7: people in advance an agenda. Misinformation is kind of its
Speaker 7: unwitting cousin. We hear something, we think it's true, but
Speaker 7: it's a lie, and we amplify the claim exponentially.
Speaker 1: Disinformation is done on purpose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, misinformation is a family member Facebook scrolling repeating something
Speaker 4: they saw exactly from within. Is this the problem in
Speaker 4: America now? Is it coming from within? As you say
Speaker 4: in the book, Is the call coming from within the house?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 7: You know, I spent my career as a federal prosecutor
Speaker 7: prosecuting national security cases each a course on national security
Speaker 7: law at Michigan Law School, And historically we have thought
Speaker 7: about information warfare and propaganda is coming from outside our words,
Speaker 7: from hostile foreign adversaries.
Speaker 3: But now we are.
Speaker 7: Seeing it, I think, as a political tactic within our
Speaker 7: own country. So these attacks that we hear about Kamala
Speaker 7: Harris being a DEI higher, or that you know she
Speaker 7: recently happened to become black, these are deliberate efforts to
Speaker 7: stoke division in society.
Speaker 1: What are some of the.
Speaker 4: Other tactics, because man, as consumer of news and media,
Speaker 4: I should know what these are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And there is a list of some of the
Speaker 7: tactics in the book. But you know, one of them
Speaker 7: is this idea of declinism. Society is going downhill. Everything's awful,
Speaker 7: cities in ruins, American carnage.
Speaker 1: Sound like a Trump speech.
Speaker 3: These are some of the.
Speaker 7: Same tactics that Hitler talked about in mindkomf and used
Speaker 7: in Nazi Germany in the nineteen thirties. And in fact,
Speaker 7: if you look at the data, you know, crime rates
Speaker 7: are down, economy is up, all of the indicators are
Speaker 7: actually on the upswing. And yet if we can talk
Speaker 7: about this society as being down, then it allows us
Speaker 7: to say, well, these extreme times call for extreme measures,
Speaker 7: and people believe these things. It allows scapegoating of other
Speaker 7: people in society and demonization of others.
Speaker 4: One thing that really resonated to me is tribe over truth.
Speaker 1: Explain that more to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, one of the things we've seen in our deeply
Speaker 7: polarized times is that people identify with their political tribe,
Speaker 7: their team. It's almost like, you know, Michigan versus Ohio State.
Speaker 7: We care about being loyal to the team.
Speaker 1: One of those teams is legit.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true, Michigan.
Speaker 1: We know, we know that.
Speaker 3: But if it all becomes just a sport.
Speaker 1: What I just said it was a joke.
Speaker 4: But then I realized I probably just perpetuated this thing
Speaker 4: you're talking about.
Speaker 7: But loyalty to the team becomes more important than truth,
Speaker 7: and that just doesn't work.
Speaker 3: And it's democracy.
Speaker 7: We will never resolve anything if all we care about
Speaker 7: is advancing our team winning, dunking on our opponents. And
Speaker 7: that's what politics has become, this idea that I'm going
Speaker 7: to go along with the con even if I believe
Speaker 7: that it's not true.
Speaker 3: So you know, stop the steal.
Speaker 4: Wrong prop the steal. One thing that really resonated with
Speaker 4: me was, and I didn't think about it, was the
Speaker 4: use of nostalgia.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm a sucker for that.
Speaker 11: Sure, you know me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you say in here, if you've ever seen
Speaker 4: a car commercial or I like, you know, the fonts,
Speaker 4: I always find myself gravitating doors, a font that reminds
Speaker 4: me of a simpler time in my life. Our authoritarian
Speaker 4: politicians using nostalgia this.
Speaker 7: Way absolutely, because all of us love that, right, I mean,
Speaker 7: good basis, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie. Right, you know,
Speaker 7: for me, when I think about nostalgia, my childhood I
Speaker 7: think about the happy times.
Speaker 3: It was nineteen sixty eight, right.
Speaker 7: War was raging in Vietnam. We have assassinations of our leaders.
Speaker 7: But in my little world, everything was wonderful. So when
Speaker 7: I see you know, a backyard barbecue with you know,
Speaker 7: families in their Bermuda shorts, that all makes me feel
Speaker 7: happy and warm and safe. And so yes, utilizing nostalgia
Speaker 7: as a way to bring you in and say we're
Speaker 7: the party that's going to make you safe because we're
Speaker 7: preying on your fear, and so if we can bring
Speaker 7: you back to that idea of tradition and nostalgia, we
Speaker 7: can make you feel safe.
Speaker 1: We talk about Trump in here, but is it just
Speaker 1: one side that's doing this? Is it everybody? Is it
Speaker 1: both sides?
Speaker 3: I don't like to both sides.
Speaker 7: When it is one, I would say that it is
Speaker 7: a tactic that can be used by anybody. And so
Speaker 7: that's why I really wanted to write this book and
Speaker 7: raise awareness of these tactics so that people can see
Speaker 7: it regardless of who's pushing it. But at this moment
Speaker 7: in history, I do believe that it is the far
Speaker 7: right branch of the Republican Party that is most responsible
Speaker 7: for trafficking in lies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 1: What can we do in a bigger sense?
Speaker 4: And what can I do, Michael, Let's start with the
Speaker 4: bigger sense.
Speaker 1: What can we do as a country?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I think there are a number of things
Speaker 7: we can do in terms of reforms. So social media
Speaker 7: certainly is a place where lots of disinformation is spewed.
Speaker 7: We have power like we've never had before, and I
Speaker 7: think there are regulations that we can take that could
Speaker 7: help stem the tide. Sometimes when I say that, I
Speaker 7: hear you want to censor America. You hate the First Amendment,
Speaker 7: And the answer is no. I'm a big advocate for
Speaker 7: the First Amendment and free speech. But I think if
Speaker 7: we look at process over content, we can find ways
Speaker 7: to have some common sense reforms. So, for example, the
Speaker 7: algorithms that are deliberately designed to stoke outrage because that
Speaker 7: keeps us online and that sells more ads, and that's
Speaker 7: more money for the platforms. I think if we could
Speaker 7: control the way our private data is taken so that
Speaker 7: we can be micro targeted, that is something that we
Speaker 7: could regulate.
Speaker 4: I mean, disinformation is pretty profitable, no, I mean, you
Speaker 4: know a podcast about conspiracy theories a lot of people
Speaker 4: listen to, you know, podcasts like mine, the Tennis Anyone
Speaker 4: podcast with Michael Costa talks more about life and tennis.
Speaker 4: There's not really a question there, Barbara. That was just
Speaker 4: me wanted to quition. But when I okay, this weekend,
Speaker 4: I've grabbed my phone talking about social media. The first
Speaker 4: thing I see was trans boxer makes her opponent defaults,
Speaker 4: and I go, holy shit, that's a crazy headline. And
Speaker 4: then you kind of and I come to work on
Speaker 4: Monday and you start unpacking.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not at all what this was. So
Speaker 1: what can we do? You know?
Speaker 4: That's I think I have my head on straight. I
Speaker 4: think I can figure out a fact from fiction. But
Speaker 4: that's it's it's very deceiving. What can you do at home,
Speaker 4: if you're watching with your family, if your kids are there,
Speaker 4: how can we teach them to decipher this stuff?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, this is the kind of lie
Speaker 7: that I think is difficult to stop. Because of our
Speaker 7: First Amendment, people have a right to say things even
Speaker 7: that aren't true. I think one of the things we
Speaker 7: can do is improve our own media literacy. So as
Speaker 7: a country, we could teach it in schools, we could
Speaker 7: teach it to adults th civic organizations. But there are
Speaker 7: some best practices that we can do to help us
Speaker 7: build resilience against that kind of false claim.
Speaker 3: And the reason.
Speaker 7: People use that is, of course, people who want to
Speaker 7: divide us, people who traffic and disinformation, exploit an opportunity.
Speaker 7: They say, oh, here's a chance to really stick it
Speaker 7: to the LGBTQ community. Right, so I'm going to really
Speaker 7: stoke this and get people all amped up. But there
Speaker 7: are things we can do. One is reading with a
Speaker 7: critical eye, you know, not just the tweet that someone
Speaker 7: with you know, they usually have a handle like you know,
Speaker 7: Patriot Girl, right or.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 7: Probably not a real person, probably a Russian, you know,
Speaker 7: sitting in a boiler room somewhere who just says, you know,
Speaker 7: I hate it when men beat up on girls or
Speaker 7: something like that. Find some credible news outlets like The
Speaker 7: Daily Show or some learn about the background. What is
Speaker 7: the basis for people saying that this is not a woman,
Speaker 7: And in fact you will read that she was born
Speaker 7: a woman, she grew up a woman, She has always
Speaker 7: competed as a woman. She has never once claimed to
Speaker 7: be tried to be in any way as a man,
Speaker 7: and so these claims are really made out of whole cloth.
Speaker 7: And so I think that if we educate ourselves in
Speaker 7: that way by doing a little bit of homework, skeptical exactly,
Speaker 7: and be a critical thinker. Just don't accept at face
Speaker 7: value what you read the.
Speaker 9: Yeah you clap, you.
Speaker 1: Crap, but you better do it. You better do it.
Speaker 4: You better not sit on the kitchen table. I'm I
Speaker 4: all scroll on Facebook and just repeating everything you say.
Speaker 1: We better all do it.
Speaker 4: The First Amendment is this amazing special amendment that we
Speaker 4: have that two hundred and sixty years ago the forefathers
Speaker 4: wrote down.
Speaker 1: But man, has it got us in a world of shit? Sometimes? Huh?
Speaker 4: Is there a way to reframe it so we think
Speaker 4: about it differently? Are you allowed to say whatever you
Speaker 4: want whenever you want?
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 4: I just I found it so interesting when you talked
Speaker 4: in here about how America is particularly susceptible to disinformation.
Speaker 1: Explain that against me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, it is because of our cherished First Amendment rights.
Speaker 7: And I think everybody does cherish it, whether you're on
Speaker 7: the right or the left. It is the First Amendment
Speaker 7: that allows us to speak out against our government. But
Speaker 7: I think sometimes people use that as license to say
Speaker 7: everything they want to say, and just because you can
Speaker 7: doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 3: It is also the case.
Speaker 7: That like all other amendments, like the Second Amendment and
Speaker 7: every other right we have in the Constitution, it is
Speaker 7: not unlimited.
Speaker 3: The Supreme Court has said the Bill of Rights is.
Speaker 7: Not a suicide pact, and we can't have reasonable limitations
Speaker 7: on things. You know, there's a doctrine called strict scrutiny
Speaker 7: that says limitations are permissible if there's a compelling governmental
Speaker 7: reason and the limitation is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest. So,
Speaker 7: for example, you can't threaten to kill somebody online. It
Speaker 7: turns out that's frowned upon crime.
Speaker 1: Good. You can't got that one right.
Speaker 7: You can't commit perjury, right, that's free speech, but you
Speaker 7: can't say that. You can't yell fire in a crowded
Speaker 7: daily shows.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. We'll try that.
Speaker 7: So there are some limitations, but I really think that
Speaker 7: the best response to bad speech is more speech or
Speaker 7: better speech and labeling of speech.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: One of the things I'm most concerned about that's coming
Speaker 7: down the pike is AI generated this information. You know,
Speaker 7: there's this ad going around now, ad going around now
Speaker 7: with you know, Kamala Harris in her own voice saying
Speaker 7: things disparaging to herself. And so how do we combat that?
Speaker 7: You know, people can create it, people create satire and that.
Speaker 7: But I think labeling is a way for us. You know,
Speaker 7: more speech is the response. Labeling so people know that
Speaker 7: the ad was generated with AI or it's something satire
Speaker 7: or party.
Speaker 3: I think is the best way to address.
Speaker 7: That because I wouldn't want to do anything that that
Speaker 7: cuts back on our First Amendment rights.
Speaker 4: When you read the book, so much of what I
Speaker 4: was reading was going, oh my god, yeah now that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that speech makes sense. Oh yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: very helpful.
Speaker 4: And I say every three to four years, Americans should
Speaker 4: have to get some media literacy license and there's gonna
Speaker 4: be some required reading.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need a license to drive, and then.
Speaker 4: If you get in an accident, you might have to
Speaker 4: get your license again. So we should get a license
Speaker 4: to free speech. And I'm just spitballing here. And then
Speaker 4: if you have a speech accident, you shift to.
Speaker 1: Thank you for writing this book. It's a great book.
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