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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the vibes in this room

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Speaker 1: are dope as hell.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in.

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Speaker 1: The Chris Westling podcast studio with my friends Patrick Clayban

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Speaker 1: and Jordan rod Rieg.

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Speaker 2: This is NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: We're all coming down from QB Island episode, but we're

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Speaker 1: here with the Week six preview and a great.

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Speaker 3: Week it is, except for the teams that are, you know,

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Speaker 3: looking for their first one. No, no team has ever

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Speaker 3: started zero to five and made it to the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you know the Jets yet the Jets. The

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Speaker 1: Jets could change everything. And yeah, if you're new here,

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Speaker 1: we do conferences separately, and I alluded to the room

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Speaker 1: in the NFL where the vibes are dope as hell.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to hang around to all the

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Speaker 1: second block of the show to find out.

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Speaker 3: What that's a deep tease. You won't guess which room

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Speaker 3: is dop as But let's start with a team that's

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Speaker 3: played in some dope as hell football games. The Seattle

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Speaker 3: Seahawks in the game of the Week last week, going

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Speaker 3: on the road to take on the Jacksonville Jaguars, who

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Speaker 3: are favored by one and a half at home. The

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Speaker 3: over under is forty six and a half. Chris Myers

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Speaker 3: Christina Pink on the call, Greg, how did the Jags

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Speaker 3: come back after a big, emotional, fun win on Monday

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Speaker 3: night football.

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Speaker 1: It is a tricky one to have to play this

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Speaker 1: Seahawks defense right after, like, you know, such a high

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Speaker 1: and I am curious though, how the offensive line specifically

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Speaker 1: that's two units that we should.

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Speaker 2: Be talking about.

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Speaker 1: Number one is that the numbers in the eye test

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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars, their offensive line have been elite, Like

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Speaker 1: you would not have expected that they would have been

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Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines in the league. Part

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Speaker 1: of the opponents that they face, and you would think

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Speaker 1: that this would be a tougher test. Then again, watching

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Speaker 1: that Seahawks Bucks game, I was kind of like, Man,

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Speaker 1: did I overrate this pass rush? Do they need like

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Speaker 1: at a higher level because they got dominated. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: matchup I'm really looking at.

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Speaker 4: This is a team I think to very much keep

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Speaker 4: pertains to that very topic, they've been a little banged ups. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the Seahawks, they've been a little banged up, particularly at

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Speaker 4: they really need some of that outside rush. And part

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Speaker 4: to know. Okay, it's not going to be sending Ernest

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Speaker 4: Jones on a blitz every single time, and they need

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Speaker 4: to get more pressure on the outsides. They had one

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Speaker 4: quarterback back hit in that game. Game of the year

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, and it is an incredible game. One

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Speaker 4: quarterback hit didn't happen to the fourth quarter, and that's

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Speaker 4: something that Mike McDonald is being pressed by reporters on

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Speaker 4: all week this week, and kind of interesting that they

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Speaker 1: Boy Mafe though chetna Uosu Derek Hall is not really

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Speaker 1: an out soid it's going to potential. You would think,

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Speaker 1: were you, by the way, Jordan disappointed, because I know

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Speaker 1: you were watching that game that you couldn't recap it

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Speaker 5: I was. I was texting you.

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Speaker 4: I said, every time Kevin Harlan even calls a good punt,

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree. That might have been the game of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you got it. No, those teams going

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Speaker 3: when I saw the initial score that you picked because

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Speaker 3: that's not gonna happen. Both teams did. In fact, like

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Speaker 3: the points per game allowed for the Seahawks was sixteen

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Speaker 1: I think the availability for the players for the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon and Julian Love are not on the field

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Speaker 1: i a pritchet. Their number one quarterback this year has

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Speaker 1: definitely been Josh job which credit to him. He's playing well,

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Speaker 1: maybe to match up against a Jaguars passing game, which

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Speaker 1: I think the arrow was pointing up for Travis Hunter

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Speaker 4: there's talk locally of some of those defensive backs coming back.

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Speaker 4: Even though they might come back, they're still banged up.

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Speaker 4: They're coming off of injuries, and so that has forced

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Speaker 4: at times this week on Monday Night Football, you could

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Speaker 4: starting to figure out which receivers work best in different spots.

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Speaker 4: I think I like to point to Patrick Claibon for

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Speaker 4: rightfully shaming all of the Brian Thomas Junior inbreaker calls,

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Speaker 4: because you're seeing actually more outbreaking routes and outside perimeter

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Speaker 4: And I think that this game you might see another

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Speaker 4: so I think that having less necessarily a need for

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Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis is really holding it down for them as well. Jacksonville,

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you need Travis Hunter so much

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Speaker 3: And that's the promise that we all hope for, was

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Speaker 3: being able to utilize this player and deploy him in

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Speaker 3: when I think it changes the offense a little bit

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Speaker 3: because Britain Strange was playing so good at tight end

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Speaker 1: That is a big loss for them and its strength

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Speaker 1: and strength when you think about the Seattle's deep passing game,

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Speaker 1: they're one of the best deep passing teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: Against a Jaguars defense which prevented the big pass like

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Speaker 1: heavy zone team. I did want to update just on

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Speaker 1: the announcers for this game. We have confirmed it will

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Speaker 1: be Mark Schlareth on the call with Chris Myers. Mark

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Speaker 1: Santez will not be on this car. Okay you said

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Speaker 1: Mark there, No, it'll be Mark Slack, Mark Slareth.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they started with an s too. I had me

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: To our next game, the Los Angeles Rams rightfully a

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Speaker 3: seven and a half point favorite at the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 3: The over under is forty four and a half games

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Speaker 3: on Fox. So Kevin Burker, Tom Brady and Andrews Tom

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Speaker 3: Rinaldi clearly they picked the team on the call when

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Speaker 3: they thought that this was going to be a fun,

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Speaker 3: exciting game. Jordan the Baltimore Ravens are morose.

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Speaker 5: Woo. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: I came in Patrick and I started talking to you

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Speaker 4: Ravens can beat the Rams.

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Speaker 5: Throw at the corners.

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Speaker 4: And then Patrick very aptly said, Cooper Rush, throw out

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Speaker 2: Oh Man is taking too much heat for last week.

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Speaker 1: He was fine the rest of this this organization that's

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Speaker 1: falling apart. But you're right, that is going to be difficult.

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Speaker 5: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 4: This has been a thing, and this is more maybe

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Speaker 4: less so about how this game specifically will go, because

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Speaker 4: we understand where the Ravens are struggling right now, and

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Speaker 4: I have no doubt that this Matthew Stafford, who Kunakua

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Speaker 4: DeVante Adams, Kyron Williams, whichever tight end Sean McVay feels

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Speaker 4: happiest with this week to throw out there, like I

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Speaker 4: have no doubt they're going to score points right on

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Speaker 4: this Like battered Defense. However, it's more of a commentary

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Speaker 4: press tighter. The Rams clearly don't trust them to do so,

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Speaker 4: mac Jones was able to take his shots when he could,

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Speaker 4: and they just they don't trust without a Kello Witherspoon,

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Speaker 4: who will press. They they just don't trust them, clearly.

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Speaker 4: And this has been a question mark since the spring.

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Speaker 4: And it is the way to beat the Rams if

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Speaker 4: you can mitigate the passage.

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Speaker 1: They have good receivers the Baltimore Ravens. I mean I

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Speaker 1: saw Za Flowers put Derek Stingley in the dirt. That

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Speaker 1: play was not replayed enough that c Flowers literally put

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Speaker 1: the best cornerback in the league perhaps like on the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 1: Was like thirty five to seven at that point, but

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Speaker 3: Wins football games. The problem is the issues up front

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Speaker 3: Yeah enough, not a lot of reasons to be confident,

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Speaker 1: Points, Yeah, it doesn't seem like enough.

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Speaker 3: It's time for the Sunday presented by Toyota. Let's go places.

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Speaker 3: It was not enough ten and a half for the

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Speaker 3: Night Football, Mike Tarico, Chris Collinsworth, Felicia stunk Oh Florio's

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Speaker 3: That is not actually he's on the pregame h And

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Speaker 1: They feel like the opposite of the twenty four Chiefs

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Speaker 1: They got to cook up some pass rush, but they

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is doing exactly what I asked to. Just bring me.

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Speaker 5: He heard you, Just bring the fun, got your email.

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Speaker 2: Just bring the fun back.

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Speaker 1: He's got seven throws this year completions of over twenty

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Speaker 5: He was playing great. Yeah, it's like it was for me.

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Speaker 4: You know, he is playing great before the injury, playing

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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes felt like years at times to throw without

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those deep passing attempts can be more

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Speaker 5: Always hard to be the one guy who stands out

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Speaker 2: Yes, the rest of the group looked great against Satty.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, because it's the Lions.

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Speaker 4: The Lions are so smothering and incredible. They are best

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but I I really don't.

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Speaker 4: I can't see I mean Patrick Mahomes, especially with some

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Speaker 5: You're you're angry, You're mad as hell.

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Speaker 3: I think right because for Hutchinson, you can go and

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Speaker 3: very similar way, yeah, that the Chiefs approach him coming

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, the Browns chose not to take

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Speaker 1: their buy after going overseas.

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Speaker 2: Now that they were, they weren't there that long.

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Speaker 1: But still, you know, that's a decision that they chose

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Speaker 1: to make, and then they're put on the road this

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Speaker 1: week in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: They're also young and spry.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, they're young in spry. They got rid of

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco. They got the problem out and not just

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Speaker 3: kidding Joe Flacco. Now Cincinnati Bengal. It's Dylan Gabriel making

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Speaker 3: his second straight start, first start in the United States

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Speaker 3: of America, taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers Jordan. They are

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Speaker 3: favored by five and a half points. The Steelers got

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Speaker 3: some time off. When they are back on the field,

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Speaker 3: I excuse me, an Eagle, JJ Watt and Evan Washburn

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Speaker 3: will be there to see what we get for Arthur

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Speaker 3: Smith and Aaron Rodgers with a chance to sit back

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Speaker 3: and relax and execute a game plan against a very

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Speaker 3: good dev.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first and foremost. For some reason, my Instagram algorithm

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Speaker 4: kept giving me the clips of JJ Watt talking about

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Speaker 4: his haircare routine.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one.

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Speaker 5: They're pretty good.

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Speaker 4: He's like pretty I think he's pretty solid, like good

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Speaker 4: sense of humor about himself, like talks about bringing his white.

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Speaker 2: Hair to fire style a lot. I have noticed that.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate someone who's confident in themselves on that front.

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Speaker 4: So the biggest thing about this game to me, besides

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Speaker 4: the volume in JJ watts hair, is that Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 4: sounded really optimistic so far this week about getting Alex Heismith,

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Speaker 4: Joey Porter Junior, and Jalen Warren back this week. All

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Speaker 4: three of them have missed at least one game. Joey

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Speaker 4: Porter Junior has missed three with that hamstring. This is

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Speaker 4: potentially huge. It's potentially the Steelers with with you know,

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Speaker 4: the catbird seat and the AFC North and key players

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Speaker 4: returning on defense at this point.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's potentially massive for them.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin was asked about the AFC North picture with

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Speaker 1: the other teams struggling, and he said, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: big picture guy. And I was like, well, shouldn't you be.

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Speaker 1: You're the head coach of a football team, Like.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what what would that change for him?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: We've got now explains everything.

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Speaker 3: Now, go ahead, house this one against the Browns. Because

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Speaker 3: the other teams were bad. It doesn't necessarily I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I am curious.

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Speaker 1: You guys watched that game, you know, on television, and

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Speaker 1: being there, I was really no, no, I'm.

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Speaker 5: You par you on your screen.

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Speaker 1: I was because they see different things. If you're home,

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Speaker 1: you see a lot of extra things. If you're home,

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Speaker 1: then you see other extra things if you're there. But uh,

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Speaker 1: I felt like all we talked about on our broadcast

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Speaker 1: was Darnault Washington in that game, And I really did

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Speaker 1: think their personnel choices in that game led almost directly

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Speaker 1: to how effective they were. They dominated Minnesota upfront, and

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Speaker 1: Washington was a huge part of that. They essentially benched

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Speaker 1: John Hue and Friarmouth, although they played it like a

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Speaker 1: heavy personnel the whole time, and man that offensive line

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Speaker 1: playing that well, it was just one week, but they

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Speaker 1: were moving people, and what a great matchup this is

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Speaker 1: when the when the Steelers have the ball, Like, I

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Speaker 1: think we can see if that's real, if that's a

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Speaker 1: one game offensive improvement. Was that just a one week

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Speaker 1: game plan, because this is as tough of a matchup,

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Speaker 1: Patrick like you can get against this Browns defensive line.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we'd have to wait for another week

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Speaker 3: because if it doesn't work against the Cleveland Browns, we

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Speaker 3: could easily say, well, the Browns are stronger against the

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Speaker 3: run than most teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: But maybe like even if it's a dry if they're

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Speaker 1: like if they're not dominated even against the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've come into this game where Broderick Jones

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Speaker 3: is allowing a high pressure rate relative to rest of

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Speaker 3: the left tackles in the league, and so he'll see

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Speaker 3: a lot of Miles Garrett and kind of a bounce

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Speaker 3: back performance for coach these defense where the Vikings put

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Speaker 3: a lot of stuff out there that made them look

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Speaker 3: kind of normal, and seeing Quinn Shawn Jenkins have all

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Speaker 3: the success that he had on the other side, but

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Speaker 3: Jordan Mason was moving the ball as well.

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Speaker 1: I like this Browns team. I feel like, if I

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Speaker 1: had to pick, is this like a one in four

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Speaker 1: team other than the Ravens to turn it around this

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Speaker 1: year and just be compe Like I think the Browns

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Speaker 1: have a lot of positive ingredients if they can get

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Speaker 1: good play out of Dylan Gabriel, like I think they

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Speaker 1: did his first start.

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Speaker 4: Well, I would agree with you, because it's all nice

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Speaker 4: to have if you're Mike Tomlin to have some of

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Speaker 4: these guys, especially Alex Heismith, kind of helping bring your

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Speaker 4: front to life a little bit more. But I feel

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Speaker 4: like Dylan Gabriel is going to get the ball out quick.

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Speaker 4: I feel like they're going to try to run the

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Speaker 4: ball with Quinshawn Jenkins, And I feel like this is

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Speaker 4: a cool game.

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Speaker 5: You always kind of joke and I actually really like

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Speaker 5: that you do this, Like I actually do. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: but I.

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Speaker 4: Do really like that you do this when you're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's a Jordan Coda game.

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Speaker 5: Because this kind of is you got it.

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Speaker 1: Take it.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of but there's a lot of jokery

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Speaker 4: type of players on both sides of the ball in

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Speaker 4: this game, starting with the tight ends. Because I could

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Speaker 4: really see this being a huge Dylan Gabriel hits Harold

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Speaker 4: Fannin on every single type of concept you could possibly

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Speaker 4: think of as this jokery player, especially if Jalen Ramsey

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Speaker 4: cannot get back from this hamstring issue that he's been

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Speaker 4: dealing with. On the other side, you guys mentioned Mount Washington,

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Speaker 4: like he he being used in so many different positions.

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Speaker 4: He's taken handoffs, like he's doing all of these different

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Speaker 4: things that are really really interesting and I think makes

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Speaker 4: these defenses have to think more. But it's not just

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Speaker 4: that they're doing it with scheme and math. They're also

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Speaker 4: really physical football teams too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the idea of Darnell Washington getting like

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Speaker 3: being in a meeting room next to John Ousmith and

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith looking at both of them and having these

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Speaker 3: visions running all these fun plays with Darnell Washington. Where

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Speaker 3: I am, I'm mainly interested in how fast Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 3: got rid of the ball in the very first start.

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Speaker 3: It was the second fastest time to throw over the

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Speaker 3: course of the game that we've seen all season, and

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Speaker 3: making his first career start on the road internationally against

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Speaker 3: Brian Flores's defense, where it's is that it was that

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Speaker 3: an anomaly, like, are we going to get a whole

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Speaker 3: lot of you know, chips on TJ Watt and quick

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Speaker 3: passes to Fannin and Ndjoku.

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Speaker 1: I think so Tomlin called Dylan Gabriel's superpower processing, and

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Speaker 1: I think there is something to that. He's an older

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Speaker 1: quarterback who's played that and I really don't I know.

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Speaker 1: I like to point out how like, you know, c J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud your agist.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, you know, still like two years younger than

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennox and Bo Nicks, like like, let's give the

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Speaker 1: kid some time. But Gabriel I think showed a lot

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Speaker 1: of maturity and when there were so many quick pressures

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Speaker 1: in that game that he actually got away from and

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Speaker 1: made smart decisions. The problem is his you know, his

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Speaker 1: offensive line is is not amazing and it's a tough match.

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Speaker 4: All I really want. I don't know how this will

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Speaker 4: even be possible, but I would like to see a

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Speaker 4: photo of him standing next to Darneld Washington, just to

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Speaker 4: see the difference. That's all I would like out of

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Speaker 4: this game. And also some epic tight end play.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get it.

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna get it. The picture might be.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think, if I go one for two,

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Speaker 5: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: It's like maneuver some some college Shenanigans to get Darnel

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Speaker 3: Washington in that picture. I'm all about it. Should Vagan's

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Speaker 3: up plenty for the Arizona Cardinals last week, and it's

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Speaker 3: no easy bounce back opportunity. They are on the road

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Speaker 3: at the Indianapolis Colts, who are favored by six and

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Speaker 3: a half points the over unders forty seven and a half.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Coogler, Moose Johnston and Alison Williams on the call. Greg,

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Speaker 3: how did the Cardinals bounce back from what was the

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Speaker 3: biggest donation of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I think it will tell us a lot about how

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Speaker 1: this season is going to go. They've been very underwhelming.

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Speaker 1: They should have been three and two if not for

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Speaker 1: that fluky and just brutal way to finish that game.

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Speaker 1: But they would have been such an underwhelming three and two.

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Speaker 1: And if they don't get this win, you know, they

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Speaker 1: have the Packers, then they have a bye like you

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Speaker 1: could be going into the bye week on a four

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Speaker 1: game losing streak, and the schedule after that is really difficult.

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Speaker 1: In general, so these are the types of weeks that

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Speaker 1: really test a head. Coach Jonathan Gannon was asked about

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Speaker 1: what's happening there in the building this week, what is

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Speaker 1: the kind of five.

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Speaker 3: And energy in this locker room and like this week,

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Speaker 3: and how do you.

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Speaker 1: Kind of keep that today? Dope as hell? Honestly, it

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Speaker 1: really was.

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Speaker 3: It really was.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't start the meeting on time because of the

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Speaker 6: energy in the room.

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Speaker 1: So that's good. See. But that's good to see. But

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Speaker 1: we have to make sure that we're in the details

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Speaker 1: in the meeting room and walk through and practice. But

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Speaker 1: it was really good.

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Speaker 3: It was really good.

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Speaker 2: I'm such a sucker that I see that.

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Speaker 1: And I also heard Mike gha follow talk on Good

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Speaker 1: Morning Football that this whole touchdown thing from Mario Demercato

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Speaker 1: is like a rallying cry now for the team. I'll

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Speaker 1: fall for it and be like they are going to rally,

660
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Speaker 1: they are going about they are.

661
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Speaker 2: Going to play hard.

662
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Speaker 4: Listen, I understand what a coach and a team is

663
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Speaker 4: like trying to do out of that moment, especially if

664
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Speaker 4: the coach and honestly bad look bad moment, honestly for

665
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: bad bad mistake, bad moment. Also bad mistake by Jonathan

666
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Speaker 4: Gannon as well, who was fine earlier this week as well, and.

667
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Speaker 1: By the team, not by.

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Speaker 4: The by the team, Yeah, yes, and that's important. Was

669
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Speaker 4: that was pretty rare. Actually, I think the last person

670
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Speaker 4: that's happened to is Bruce Arians. So Arizona's tense sometimes,

671
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Speaker 4: but I feel like this is I understand what a

672
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Speaker 4: coach and a team is trying to do, like being

673
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Speaker 4: sincere in addressing the team, which I tend to believe

674
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: he was being sincere about making mistakes and taking ownership

675
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: and trying to scrap all of it, bury the tape,

676
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Speaker 4: all the things that they say.

677
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Speaker 5: I get that.

678
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Speaker 4: I don't have any reason to believe that the Cardinals

679
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 4: are made of stronger stuff than what we've seen.

680
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Speaker 5: I don't have any.

681
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: Reason to believe that they're made of more resilient stuff

682
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Speaker 4: than we've seen. And in fact, I was listening to

683
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Speaker 4: Mina this morning and she pointed out this week on

684
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Speaker 4: her show kind of a lack of resilience. Stat Now,

685
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Speaker 4: she did not frame it this way. I don't want

686
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Speaker 4: to put words in her mouth, but when I'm thinking

687
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: about this team's like inability to close or come back

688
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: or to make up for bad moments.

689
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Speaker 5: Crazy stat.

690
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: Arizona is first n EPA per play on defense Jonathan

691
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: Gannon's bread and butter here through the first three quarters

692
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: of a game and drops to twenty seventh in fourth

693
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Speaker 4: quarters this season. So you want to talk about lack

694
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Speaker 4: of resilience, show me some resilience come back literally and emotionally,

695
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I just have no reason to

696
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Speaker 4: believe that yet.

697
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Speaker 1: Also, they're just not that good at football on the

698
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Speaker 1: offensive side, which is more important. Yeah, Like, there's no

699
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Speaker 1: reason to believe that they're.

700
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Speaker 5: Oh you don't want the poetic moment.

701
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Speaker 1: No, No, I agree with all that, And I think

702
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Speaker 1: that's all about our feeling. I think that's true, and

703
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a great note about the defense, and

704
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: I find it interesting. But I don't have any real

705
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Speaker 1: big reason to believe that, like this offense is going

706
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Speaker 1: to figure it out. Kyler Murray, by the way, was

707
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: out of practice on Wednesday, So this could be Jacoby

708
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Brissett with a revenge game in Indianapolis. I don't think

709
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Speaker 1: that's a revenge. They kind of revived his career.

710
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Speaker 4: He's kind of the perfect backup there too, because he

711
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: can still throw it around and he knows that offense,

712
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: he's been in that system.

713
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Speaker 3: He's kind of a perfect backup just in general. Yeah,

714
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Speaker 3: for Jacoby Brissette. And two, I don't think right the

715
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Speaker 3: Colts are the opponent that you want in this bounce

716
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Speaker 3: back situation for the Arizona Cardinals. And you can make

717
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Speaker 3: the case it's the toughest of this stretch where they've

718
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Speaker 3: lost by Again, these are game winning field goals that

719
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Speaker 3: are happening in the closing moments, right.

720
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Speaker 1: The same thing happened to the forty nine ers game

721
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Speaker 1: as well.

722
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's not like they are out of

723
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Speaker 3: these games. But I think we can get the best

724
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Speaker 3: version of the Arizona Cardinals and they could still lose

725
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 3: this particular game. And so, like, I don't not to

726
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: bury the team, but it's just the schedule sometimes determines

727
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: these things and this is a doozy.

728
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Speaker 1: For Jermaine Pratt was signed today by the Indianapolis Colts,

729
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: so a reunion with lou Ana Rumo. He had played

730
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Speaker 1: like almost every snap of the Raiders' first four games

731
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Speaker 1: and then was inactive and then was cut. I'm not

732
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Speaker 1: sure what happened there. I do want to mention just

733
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Speaker 1: how good Josh Downs looked last week and it was

734
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Speaker 1: a reminder, man, they just have so many receivers. They

735
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Speaker 1: have six receivers over one hundred and thirty three yards

736
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Speaker 1: last week. They benched eighty Mitchell last week, which I

737
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Speaker 1: thought was a little harsh until I watched Ashton Doolan

738
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: look like one of the best receivers on the team

739
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: when like he suddenly got some run and there was

740
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: like a third to third and twelve played to dimes,

741
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Speaker 1: which I think really encapsulated where they sent a perfect

742
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: blitz the Raiders did on him last week, and he

743
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Speaker 1: just saw it very calmly, like hit Downs who made

744
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Speaker 1: a play after the catch to pick up the first down,

745
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Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones just took a shot and he stood

746
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Speaker 1: in there and he delivered and Downs then made a play.

747
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Speaker 1: And that's that's what I think with this team. Like

748
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Speaker 1: he's not taking any sacks. He's taken four sacks all

749
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Speaker 1: season long, and they just have answers whenever opposing teams

750
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Speaker 1: like the Cardinals, who are a tough matchup, give give

751
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: you tough questions.

752
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it also speaks to how complete the

753
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: team is that their receivers and the quarterback have numbers

754
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: like that, and still Jonathan Taylor's.

755
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 5: Leading the NFL and rushing. And I know we.

756
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: Talk about the Daniel Jones's sons a lot, and we

757
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: should and stoked for him, but the.

758
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 5: Tailor sons has also happened.

759
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: Yes, and yes, Daniel Jones did make it onto QB

760
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Speaker 4: Island yesterday. I know that the world was a little

761
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 4: worried we might forget about Danny Dimes over there.

762
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Speaker 5: No, no, we would never. But it speaks to their balance,

763
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Speaker 5: it really does.

764
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Speaker 4: This is a well balanced team that is built to

765
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Speaker 4: continue to do this as long as they can stay

766
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Speaker 4: healthy because of how complete they are.

767
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Speaker 5: They're getting the ball done.

768
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Speaker 4: They're getting it done through the air and on the ground,

769
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Speaker 4: and it's pretty incredible to watch.

770
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Speaker 3: The line of sans is what made those other soanss possible.

771
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Speaker 1: It's fair.

772
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: They had veteran departures. We wondered how they were going

773
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Speaker 3: to rebuild it, and they have played spectacularly.

774
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Speaker 1: Sances good point, and that's that's a feather in the

775
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: cap of of Chris Ballard and that coaching staff of

776
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: They've been pretty consistent being able to develop and target

777
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: offensive linemen and be better than you would expect.

778
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Speaker 3: My apologies to mister Ballard, not familiar with your game.

779
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: The next game up is the Los Angeles Chargers, favored

780
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: by four and a half, coming on the road all

781
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: the way to Miami to take on the Dolphins. Forty

782
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: four and a half is the over under Andrew kettle On,

783
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: Charles Davis, Jason mccordy, and A. J. Ross. Greg is

784
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Speaker 3: the Dolphins defense the cure to what ails this Chargers offense.

785
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's the worst defense in the league. It's a

786
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: matchup of like bad on bad when the Chargers offensive

787
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: line tries to run the ball in this game, but

788
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: everyone's looked good running the ball against the Miami Dolphins.

789
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant is getting just targeted. They have so much

790
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: money invested up front and it's not really working that

791
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, one team has justin Herbert,

792
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: the other team has too, which if you remember used

793
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: to be a big debate on bad talk shows, you

794
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: remember that it was a debate. Trua is coming off

795
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Speaker 1: what I thought was his best game of the year.

796
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Speaker 1: You know, Tua, if you threw out Week one has

797
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: looked fine. He just looked like I don't think he's

798
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: looked great, yea.

799
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Speaker 4: Well relative to what he relative to where he's been.

800
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he's looked like himself.

801
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not going to say they're better without Tyreek Hill,

802
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know. They look pretty like cohesive.

803
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: Well, they're better when they're they're getting the ball to.

804
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: Darren Waller speaking of soanss like in a big way, like,

805
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's crazy to watch how productive he

806
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: isn't and you know, if this is for real, and

807
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: I think and we think it is, because he's still

808
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: there and producing and a big part of what they do.

809
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: Happy for him, happy for both of them. But I

810
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 4: don't think they win this game because the Chargers need

811
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: to gather themselves. I mean, it's embarrassing what happened to

812
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: their offensive line. There's this audio clip floating around between

813
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: Bradley Boseman and Justin Herbert where Bradley Boseman misses an

814
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: assignment and Justin Herbert says no, no, no, no, pointing

815
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 4: out a different assignment, and then they still go with

816
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: the first one because the snap's already happening, and Justin Herbert,

817
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: you know, yells, yeah, dang it. And I'm saying the

818
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: polite version of it, because I don't want more work

819
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: for the producers having to bleep me out once again.

820
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Speaker 4: But it's it's bad. It's that offensive line is This

821
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: is from a colleague, Daniel Popper. Since he got to

822
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: the NFL in twenty twenty, Justin Herbert has been hit

823
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 4: five hundred and twenty five times, which is the most

824
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: of any quarterback in that span. And Jim Harbaugh was

825
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: adamant that they did enough at depth all along the

826
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Speaker 4: offensive line. You never obviously planned for both of your

827
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: elite tackles to be out. But locally they're saying, no,

828
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: this was not enough upfront.

829
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah again, like the sheer volume of injuries,

830
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough, like considering roster limitations for anybody.

831
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: Exactly to deal with this.

832
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: And the clip is hilarious because Herbert spins most of

833
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: the play clock adjusting.

834
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah and fixing having yeah.

835
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: Having Gaston adjust to hot for the blitzer coming off

836
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: the edge, and then he's about to snap the ball

837
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: in both points to shift the line. No, no, and

838
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: then he has to snap the ball. But yeah, Darren Lawler,

839
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 3: I think has fixed the biggest issue for the Miami

840
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Dolphins over these past few years, which is like giving

841
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: them some sort of idea to how to go about

842
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: things in the red zone. Yeah, it's get the ball

843
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: to Darren Waller, and they've gotten touchdowns by Waller and

844
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: off of Waller where it's like, hey, this is even

845
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: better than the Jon Ussans of twenty twenty four.

846
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: It's an incredible story.

847
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: He was picked up on waivers in my son's ten

848
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: year old fantasy football league. So that's when you know

849
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: kind of he's hit you, Like, they're not really like

850
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: grinding tape. So if he has gotten me if, yeah, exactly,

851
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: that's the word I was looking for. When when the

852
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: Dolphins have the ball, though, you said that's been their

853
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: biggest problem, it's been one of them.

854
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 2: But the running game is part of that, right, Yeah.

855
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: I just combined that and like they had zero running

856
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: game last week and that's another big weakness on weakness matchup.

857
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: And it is funny how like a couple of weeks

858
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: can change something. And I'm not picking on you for

859
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: calling them the best team in the league. I didn't

860
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: think that was crazy either, But when you think about

861
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: like Jesse Minter now versus Jesse Minter three weeks ago,

862
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: he's been kind of undressed the last couple of weeks.

863
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: I think, like coach, and it's.

864
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Speaker 1: A reminder like it's more about it's always more about

865
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: players than coaches. I always personally think that we overrate

866
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: coaches in general, and like when things are going well,

867
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: they get like a lot of credit. It's like quarterbacks,

868
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: and when things aren't going well, and it's always somewhere

869
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: in between, and they probably don't have enough players, but

870
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: like stable and then last week with the Commanders and

871
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: even the Broncos game where Bonnicks missed a million coverage

872
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: busts and that they could have put up forty against

873
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Like I think opposing offensive coordinators are dictating

874
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: the matchups we talk about dictating of like we're gonna

875
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: get your guys on the perimeter and have to make

876
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: some tackles that we know can't and you're gonna have

877
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: these lighter boxes. And they're one of the worst tackling

878
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: teams in football, and they've kind of been steamrolled the

879
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: last couple weeks by like formations I think, and by

880
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: by just not having the big enough guys to stop

881
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: the run.

882
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say I agree with you twofold. First

883
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 4: of all, the injuries have completely turned around what this

884
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: team was versus what it is now. I mean, when

885
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 4: you compound injuries like that upfront, when you miss, you're missing.

886
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 4: Part of the reason they traded for Adolphe always is

887
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: his potential. I know he wasn't producing in Baltimore, but

888
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: his potential from previous production is something they're very clearly

889
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: keying on.

890
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: They are deciding.

891
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: They're telling you right now that they think this defense

892
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: will have to carry this team, because that is the

893
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: move that they made.

894
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: But they're an average defense right now, and they're not

895
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: that injured on defense, to be fair.

896
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying, or trying to say, is

897
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 4: missing Khalil Mack completely changes what front structures Jesse Minter

898
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 4: wants to play with. It completely changes how you can

899
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 4: attack them, just like you said, not just upfront, but

900
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: along the perimeter, because it changes to ripple effect of

901
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: every single player who lines up behind that front. And

902
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: that's part of what's happening here, and it's a failure

903
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 4: to adjust completely. And it's also needing dudes, needing guys

904
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: back playing and hitting and tackling and actually like executing

905
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: a more malleable vision than when Jesse Minter started the season.

906
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: Well, they've got a Dafe Oway and he is expected

907
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: to play. According to Jim Harbaugh, who compared him to

908
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, that he's a lot like him direct rusher,

909
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: but as it has depth. I get what he means.

910
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: He's just saying that he's that type of player, like

911
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: the skills that's what they need. Yeah, is similar, and

912
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: that he can definitely help stopping the run. But look,

913
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: we talked on this podcast coming into the season, we

914
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: thought pass rush depth was one of the biggest problems

915
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: on this team because I think County on Khalil Mack

916
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: to be a guy that just carries you in the

917
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five is too much, and you could

918
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: see that they didn't have enough players behind him that

919
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: said they could They could right the ship here and

920
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: just get to four and two. Just just win a game.

921
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: While you're bringing up let's take a break and on

922
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the other side, we're going to get to the international

923
00:42:48,120 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: game this week back on NFL Daily. In heading back

924
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: over the pond, I admit it, I'm still feeling it

925
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: a little bit on the back here. I just placed

926
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: almost empty coffee cup onto the table next to me,

927
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: except the table wasn't there and it just just dropped

928
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: right onto.

929
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: The the idea of a table.

930
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: I want to see the crowd bring it in Tottenham

931
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: this week. It was so good last week in terms

932
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: of the energy, but it wasn't quite as good and

933
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned this on the show yet as the

934
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: energy at Arsenal that I went to on Saturday. I've

935
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: never been to a Premier League game before and I

936
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: sat in the visitors section for west Ham because I'm

937
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: a I'm a hammer and shout out to Rob Pritcher

938
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: who works for west Ham. I've known him over the

939
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: years and he hooked me and my friend Nat Combs

940
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: up with tickets and that was a unique experience which

941
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: I wish we could bring to Like the American audience, it's.

942
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: Always good chance, is the chance? Yeah, they're creative.

943
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: The west Ham could not have looked worse. They were

944
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: absolutely blown out in this game, even though it was

945
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: only two nothing like no chances, totally miserable and yet

946
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: the second day, like go down to nothing. They're chanting

947
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: at the rest of the stadium. You're gonna win fall,

948
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: You're gonna win fall and then some other chant about

949
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: second place that they're gonna finish in second place because

950
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: that's what Arsenal does all the time. And they had

951
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: some former west Ham great was sitting in the visitors

952
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: section and they just started chanting about him for ten

953
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: minutes and his nickname was Ginger Pele back in the day,

954
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: and that was like the most fun ten minutes I

955
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: had the whole day. So like, I want that kind

956
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: of energy. You're getting your teeth kicked in and you're

957
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: still out there having fun and talking trash. That's my

958
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of energy, all right, Well, darright.

959
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: Energy no that we're gonna summon as we discuss a

960
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: game that's coming up on NFL Network where we care

961
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: about people and each other. Aaron Glenn's chests looking for

962
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: their first win of the twenty twenty five season. They

963
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: are getting seven and a half points to try to

964
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: come back and get the the Denver Broncos, who just

965
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: beat one of the NFL's last unbeatens. On if the

966
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: Broncos beat one of the last unbeaten and turn around

967
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: and lose to the only winless team in the NFL, Jordan,

968
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: can it happen? Forty three and a half, Rich Eyes

969
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: and Kurt Warners. Sarah Waltz on the call.

970
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: Bah both Jesus Christ. Both of you are frightening me

971
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 5: big time in a big way right now.

972
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 4: Stickers bar went flying, Greg's hands, Patrick's hands. I'm in

973
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: the danger zone. You know, it's all good. Speaking of

974
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: the danger zone. What is going on with the Jets?

975
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: Guys? What do you think?

976
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 4: Just just a little little fun interactive game here, okay,

977
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: kind of three, both of you guys, say what you

978
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: think the biggest problem with the New York Jets is?

979
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: Ok right now?

980
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: One two three, Elijah, Arry Tucker's out.

981
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: You didn't say anything, I know, because I was gonna

982
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: say ownership, and then I thought, hmm, that's tricky. I

983
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: would say defensive coaching.

984
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it shouldn't be that way because this is

985
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: an Aaron Glenn football team, and the lack of discipline

986
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 4: and the lack of adjustments and just some of the

987
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: you're just seeing some of it. I mean, it's just

988
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: it's just not what you would actually expect to see

989
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: from a team that Aaron Glenn is the head coach of.

990
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: And obviously he's not coordinating the defense. That's Steve Wilke's

991
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: doing that.

992
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him any path on that.

993
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: No, I'm no, I'm not either. I'm just saying it's

994
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: like it's his team. What I mean, That's where I'm like,

995
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: what what are we going? I mean, I know, I

996
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 4: know he's lean. He has leaned on Steve Wilkes in

997
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 4: getting into this job and and what to expect and

998
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: to look for and kind of some of the advice

999
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 4: and having a veteran confidant to is really really important.

1000
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: It's a really difficult, one of the most difficult jobs

1001
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 4: to take over, if not the most difficult.

1002
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: Job to take over in the NFL.

1003
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 4: Seems to be open often and it's just like, but

1004
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 4: but this is not working.

1005
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 5: The defense is not working.

1006
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: I just said how we tend to overrate coaching, and

1007
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: maybe I just did it too by making that like

1008
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: the number one thing because they have some guys that

1009
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: just got yeah, shouldn't be on the field.

1010
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 5: It can be both.

1011
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: It's fine Tyler baron this defensive end, I was like

1012
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: Jamie and Sherwood had another game where he was just lost.

1013
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: Last week. Michael Clemens has low lights. Week after week.

1014
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: They got Mauaga at another linebackers spot was just getting

1015
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: picked on. Granted, it's a tough match against Cowboy, but

1016
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough matchup against the Broncos and

1017
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: a lot of their opponents.

1018
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they're not going to have an easy

1019
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: matchup considering the relative talent disparity all over the place

1020
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: for the Jets, and they've been in a couple of

1021
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: these games, and it's one of those situations where even

1022
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: when the scheme looks great and the players ten of

1023
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: them execute, there's there's one guy little Yeah, either put

1024
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: the ball on the turf, miss a block, have a

1025
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: blown assignment. It's just like there's one of these situations

1026
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 3: where when you're when you're bad, bad things happen.

1027
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: But they they end up getting close in these games

1028
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: or closer at the end. But they I think Red

1029
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: have not scored a touchdown in the first half of

1030
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: any game since Week one, so like an offensive touchdown.

1031
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 5: So they were a yard away I know in the

1032
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 5: running kills me.

1033
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: The thing that's crazy is the running game is good.

1034
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: So if you're going to make a case for this

1035
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: game being surprising close in the fourth quarter, it's that

1036
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: they have been pretty effective dictating with the running game,

1037
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: and if there is a way to attack this Broncos defense,

1038
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: you definitely want to do it on the ground versus passing.

1039
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: So maybe they can have these long drives that actually

1040
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: finish in a touchdown occasionally instead of it just tends

1041
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: to be like these eight minute drives that end with

1042
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: three points and then their defense gives up like a

1043
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: huge play right away, and it's.

1044
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 4: Like, okay, great, Yeah, it's it's tough because they can't

1045
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: count on their defense and also they can't come back

1046
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: from self an early self inflicted mistake. And that's what

1047
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: has happened with this team. Everything changed when Braylen and

1048
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: Allen fumbled, Like the Jets look like one of the

1049
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: most interesting, uh physical running teams and looked that's that

1050
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: opening scripted drive a couple weeks ago, a couple of

1051
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 4: games ago, like it was everything that they wanted to be,

1052
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: and then they make a mistake and the ripple effect.

1053
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 5: They cannot get out of.

1054
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: The samething happening against the Cowboys. Every opening script looks

1055
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: good and then they always they end up with three.

1056
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: They can't step sidestep the wake of the mistakes that

1057
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: they make, and I think that that's that is a

1058
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 4: culture thing, that is a mental thing, that is something

1059
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: that a team builds over time by getting through those

1060
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: types of things, by adjusting and understanding. You have to

1061
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: overcome certain things that have that you that you do

1062
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 4: to yourself during the game, not even so much the opponent.

1063
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: And that's what I think this issue is. I don't

1064
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 4: know that the Broncos will be forgiving at all against

1065
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: those types of stakes.

1066
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: Now.

1067
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 4: I do think bon Nix will make his share of mistakes.

1068
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: He's been not as consistent as they need him to be,

1069
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: and he's played better week over week, especially later in games,

1070
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: but he's made some mistakes.

1071
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: We get one normal steady Bonnicks game, yas one. Let's

1072
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: get that has happening.

1073
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 4: Be you Bo, don't try to be Matthew Stafford, don't

1074
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 4: try to be CJ. Stroud, Like, just play your game,

1075
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: take take what's being presented to you.

1076
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: You know, I think the Broncos fans would feel like

1077
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 3: it was a waste to get the solid Bo Knicks

1078
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: game to be this international game against the Jett But.

1079
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: You got you got to start. I know Broncos fans

1080
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: will defend him, and it hasn't been the bad. He's

1081
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: good in terms of like his eyes are good, he

1082
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: makes good decisions. He just misses yeah a lot like

1083
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: he is. And I think, yeah, I.

1084
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 5: Don't think he's a bad player.

1085
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: I think everything's right and then the ball comes out

1086
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: of his hand and sometimes and you're just like, oh no,

1087
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: just off, just a little off here and there.

1088
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: I think this indicates kind of what PFF values and doesn't.

1089
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: But like, he is still one of the lowest graded quarterbacks.

1090
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: He's below Gino, he's below Flacco, like because I think

1091
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: he's just missed so many times and he hasn't made

1092
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: up for it with like great plays, but he has

1093
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: had like the turn overworthy plays.

1094
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: So this is it. They're going to get a solid

1095
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: bow game. Do you want to note the Jets are

1096
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: significantly better on offense this year than they were last year.

1097
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1098
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: The majority of the Jets problem, yes, as pointed out,

1099
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: are on the defensive side of the ball.

1100
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: And special teams.

1101
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: They might have the worst special teams in the league,

1102
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: which like they have this is there on their like

1103
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: fourth kick returner thiks we do get Garrett Wilson versus

1104
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: Patrick's utan.

1105
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that and I also think this. You

1106
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: saw it a couple of weeks ago, Sean Payton really

1107
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: making an effort to get JK. Dobbins going, got him

1108
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 4: to that one hundred mark. He was at seventy nine

1109
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 4: yards last game rushing. You could see Sean Payton once

1110
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: another one hundred yards rushing performance out of a single

1111
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: running back versus a committee. I think this is a game.

1112
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 5: You do it. I mean the Jets cannot stop anything.

1113
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: And also a lingering heat from the preseason Jets Broncos

1114
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: discussion from a couple of years ago.

1115
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: The parties, Oh my god, I forgot about in.

1116
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: Florm Park are no longer there. But Sean Payton, Dohn

1117
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: Peyton remembers.

1118
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: He really does.

1119
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 5: He remembers everything.

1120
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: He had the Bronco's bus drive through Broad Street just

1121
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: so they could rub it into the Eagles fans after

1122
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: beating them. What a move.

1123
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: I kind of love that a team that would like

1124
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: to take some fun bus rides. The Vegas Raiders did

1125
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: it a couple of years ago the Tennessee Titans at

1126
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: Las Vegas, where the Raiders are favored by four and

1127
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: a half points. Anny Albert, Jonathan Vilma, and Megan Olivy

1128
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: on the call as Greg, we want Gino to stop

1129
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: throwing the ball to the other team.

1130
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: This would be a good game to do that.

1131
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: The Titans defense has quietly been disappointing, I think in

1132
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: its own right. Like the offense is obviously the bigger issue.

1133
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: But other than Jeffrey Simmons, who on another team might

1134
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: be a defensive Player of the Year candidate and would

1135
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: be an amazing trade candidate, like I think he could

1136
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: be up for grabs, it's not a good defense. I

1137
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: do think about that block kick at the end of

1138
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: the Bears Raiders game, though, like this early in the season,

1139
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: those like one play games matters so much more. We

1140
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: would feel so differently about the Bears at least at

1141
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: one in three if if the Raiders just hadn't had

1142
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: that kick block. And if you were the Raiders coming

1143
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: into this game, you probably wouldn't think that you were

1144
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: some great team, but you'd be favored to get to

1145
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: three and three on the season if not for that

1146
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: one block kick. But that would probably be hiding the

1147
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: problems underneath this team, which is a really bad defense

1148
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: and missing their best offensive player this season, which I

1149
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: we werarely haven't mentioned that much on this show. Missing

1150
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: Colton Miller to me was kind of the depth now

1151
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: for this Raiders team. Like when he went out, I

1152
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: think like the hope of it getting a ton better

1153
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of went with him.

1154
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: I was like, brock Bowers, we have talked a lot

1155
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: of you said best offensive player, and.

1156
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: I was like, ye, Cob Miller.

1157
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: Colton Miller was playing like lights out this year and

1158
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers hasn't been healthy, and I just think it's

1159
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: like a cascading effect that I had just failed to mention,

1160
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: and I wanted to there with Colton.

1161
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 5: Miller one thing that could be helpful to them.

1162
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: It looks like, per local reports, Michael Meyer is cleared

1163
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: from the concussion protocol, So that's good news. Still kind

1164
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 4: of up in the air on Breck Bowers considered week

1165
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: to week. Pete Carroll early this week, and it is

1166
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 4: interesting that the shift from how eager and believing that

1167
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 4: they would compete right away Pete Carroll was early.

1168
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 5: In the season and adamant.

1169
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 4: Remember he's this is a shorter contract than most coaching

1170
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 4: contracts when he signed, and part of that was the

1171
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 4: intent that he if he was going to come back,

1172
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 4: he wanted to come back and win a lot of

1173
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 4: football games right away, and went out and got his

1174
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 4: guy in Geno. And none of this has worked out

1175
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 4: the way that any of them are expecting. And I

1176
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: was listening to some of Pete Carroll's comments earlier this week,

1177
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 4: and he was like moros. He was like, I can't.

1178
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 4: I would never call Pete Carroll moros. Maybe his floor

1179
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 4: is like mildly disappointed, such a positive guy.

1180
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: But morose Pete Carroll is bad news.

1181
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of felt for it in this offseason,

1182
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: like we were buying what they were selling.

1183
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do believe that they have a good

1184
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: cores in place, Like I think that these guys will

1185
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: know how to build a team. I think that they

1186
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 4: made moves that on paper look like they should really

1187
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: work out. You really are in terms of the roster,

1188
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 4: like who among us? None of us were expecting this

1189
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: to happen to Gino Smith, None of us are expecting

1190
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: bruck Bauers to be dealing with some of the stuff.

1191
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: And injuries happen every year to every team. But in combination,

1192
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: you know, we're not expecting this offense to look like this. Yeah,

1193
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: we're kind of expecting this offensive line.

1194
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: We went into the season though, saying this was the

1195
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: least talented defense on the league, so that was their

1196
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: choice and Pete Carroll and Pete Carroll, to be fair,

1197
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: was a difference maker as a defensive coach or a

1198
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: head coach.

1199
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Speaker 4: Well, I thought Patrick, I thought Patrick Graham would have

1200
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 4: a really positive influence on on what people.

1201
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: You're making a face, Yeah, no, I mean he's got

1202
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: a losing record over the last five years.

1203
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's.

1204
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: Like a hard Pete.

1205
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 5: He's already having a bad week. Greg.

1206
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm not coming hard at him, but I don't think

1207
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: he's shown to be a difference maker for a minute.

1208
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: It's certainly not on defense.

1209
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: Well that that's why you go out and you get

1210
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 3: a difference maker, the former Ohio State offensive coordinator to

1211
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: come in and really turn things around.

1212
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 5: But I honestly think I was waiting for it.

1213
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: We've well, if we're taking shots of people, why not

1214
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 3: you know.

1215
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 5: Do you mean you're chipping away a little bit?

1216
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Hey?

1217
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: Bit by bit Jackson Powers Johnson giving up four pressures

1218
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: against the Colts, Like the Colts are front looked incredible

1219
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: and you know they've been solid all year. But Parham Forsyth,

1220
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 3: like the the Raiders have significant issues up front because

1221
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: we talk a lot about in the in the run

1222
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: game and I don't know, Gino's leading the league in interceptions.

1223
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 3: He's playing poorly. They're playing poorly upfront.

1224
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a combination of things. And like I said,

1225
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: I think we could have expected some of them. Like

1226
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily thrilled with their offensive line coming in

1227
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: to the year, but I didn't think it was going

1228
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: to look like this.

1229
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: And this could be Well, it's Jeffrey Simmons. He's not

1230
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: getting much help on the edge the Titans. Look, the

1231
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: Titans are gonna look at this game and think creditable

1232
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: if we're ever going to win a game on the road.

1233
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: Again, second week in a row.

1234
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: This is a pretty good candidate.

1235
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 5: And cam Ward's playing awesome. He's so fun to watch.

1236
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Last week was a very typical cam Ward game where

1237
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: he had some groaners, some like what are you thinking?

1238
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 5: I don't even care about those?

1239
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: And he had I'm just here for the ride five.

1240
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: Or six throws in that game, most of him in

1241
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: the second half that were just they just took your

1242
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: breath away.

1243
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. I love the potential here.

1244
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: I can't wait for I can't wait for five years

1245
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: from now when he has a team around him.

1246
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: You know, so, I don't remember who I was listening

1247
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: to that ask could you fire someone after a win?

1248
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: That's because just because of how Brian Callahan handled this

1249
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: game game management, and because of how happy he was

1250
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: when he would just get these lucky touchdowns. He was

1251
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: like celebrating on the field and buy everyonever. But if

1252
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: I was Brian Kelleen, I'd be happy to must have

1253
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: felt good. Why wouldn't you? Wouldn't you celebrate? These are

1254
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: teams that, by the way, and we're going to wrap

1255
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: up here could be very interesting at the trade deadline? Yeah?

1256
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Would would they ever listen about Max Crosby? I checked,

1257
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: like no dead money? Would they? They definitely would listen

1258
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Myers. You would think, who's on the last

1259
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: year of his contract? Here's one that would have been

1260
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: interesting before the Bengals went and got Joe Flacco. Would

1261
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: they would they think about trading Geno it was really

1262
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: on a one year contract? No? Would they would a

1263
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: team that needs a quarter like would the Vikings? Like

1264
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: if things go really sideways or I'm trying to think

1265
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: of a team that like be like.

1266
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 5: You have them a decent line.

1267
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: Greg, Hey, I'm.

1268
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: Just saying like, yeah, hey, you're probably not gonna keep

1269
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: Geno next year at this rate. There's like kind of

1270
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: no long term punt. I'm just saying Calvin Ridley would

1271
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: be another one.

1272
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: The problem is a team with a decent line is

1273
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 3: probably not in position to be trading for a quarterback anyway.

1274
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 5: I mean, if your quarterback gets hurt, m don't wish

1275
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 5: that on anyone.

1276
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: Knock on wood, Okay, that was it. Raiders Titans, We're

1277
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna be battling to see who gets that beauty. The

1278
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: mess off Sunday morning, looking forward to it. Also looking

1279
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: forward to our NFC preview. So keep listening, hang tight,

1280
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: and we'll be right there with the NFC