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Speaker 2: you about debates. You've done a lot of them. You've
Speaker 2: been on stage in a debate with Donald Trump. How
Speaker 2: did you get ready for a debate, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says, hey, I don't do it the traditional way.
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not going to lock myself away for a
Speaker 2: week at Camp David and take a lot of napps.
Speaker 2: He says, he's not really a traditional debate prepper. That
Speaker 2: can be good or bad. It's cost him. I actually
Speaker 2: think some debates in the past. So what is your
Speaker 2: strategy when you get ready?
Speaker 4: Well, my strategy is I think different from a number
Speaker 4: of people. What I do is I sit down with
Speaker 4: a team. It's typically a team of somewhere between five
Speaker 4: and ten people, and I'll spend at least a full
Speaker 4: day talking through the I don't do a lot of
Speaker 4: play acting. I don't generally have people that are that
Speaker 4: are mock acting as whoever else it is I'm debating.
Speaker 4: But rather I have really smart people, often their Supreme
Speaker 4: Court lawyers, who are sitting down thinking through, all right,
Speaker 4: what are the likely questions, what are we going to
Speaker 4: talk about? What are the topics that are going to
Speaker 4: come up. Part of it is we start with a
Speaker 4: meta strategy. What is my objective in this debate? You know,
Speaker 4: in a presidential debate, particularly in the primaries where you're
Speaker 4: having a bunch of debates, there are different times when
Speaker 4: you have different strategies, there's different times when you want
Speaker 4: to draw a greater contrast with one candidate versus another,
Speaker 4: And so for debate prep, I'll often start with, all right,
Speaker 4: what's my objective? A question that I will ask my
Speaker 4: team over and over again is what's a win? What
Speaker 4: do we want the headline to be at the end
Speaker 4: of the debate, And let's think backwards how we produce that,
Speaker 4: what is the outcome we want to be? And then
Speaker 4: we'll talk through who are the moderators, what are the
Speaker 4: questions are going to come? And then for me, rather
Speaker 4: than practicing an answer, I don't want answers to sound rehearsed.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to just stand.
Speaker 4: Up and give a set piece, We'll talk instead about
Speaker 4: all right, what are the likely questions and what is
Speaker 4: the strategy or approach for answers, and and we'll go
Speaker 4: through that at considerable length and talk back and forth
Speaker 4: about Okay, how's the how is my opponent going to
Speaker 4: come back after that? And what's the strategy? What do
Speaker 4: I want my opponent to say, and what's my response
Speaker 4: to where they're going, and so it will be.
Speaker 3: It's actually been for me.
Speaker 4: Debate prep is very much the same way I would
Speaker 4: prepare for Supreme Court arguments. I would do moots at times,
Speaker 4: but particularly as I had done more and more Supreme
Speaker 4: Court arguments, I ended up arguing nine times in front
Speaker 4: of the US Supreme Court, and particularly for the later ones,
Speaker 4: rather than actually play acting out the argument, I would
Speaker 4: do the same thing. I would talk through with smart
Speaker 4: strategists where we wanted to go and what we wanted
Speaker 4: to get done.
Speaker 2: I love getting ready for debate prep and have gotten
Speaker 2: to be a part of it several different times at
Speaker 2: different levels. And I've also seen the candidate that over prepares.
Speaker 2: How do you make sure you don't do that? Because
Speaker 2: when you get too many thoughts and too much information
Speaker 2: and too many lines as you described, and can sound
Speaker 2: pre rehearse, that I've seen be a disaster for candidates.
Speaker 2: We've seen this on the national stage in President of
Speaker 2: debates before as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: You don't want to be wooden. You don't want to
Speaker 4: be overrehearsed. You don't want to come off as overrehearsed.
Speaker 4: I think the most notable example of that was in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen in the primaries the New Hampshire debate, where
Speaker 4: Chris Christy went after Barco Rubio and I was standing there,
Speaker 4: I was right next to Chris, and I mean what
Speaker 4: Chris did DeMarco was as brutal as we've ever seen
Speaker 4: in any debate, because he is going after Marco and
Speaker 4: accusing him being a robot, and and Marco kept saying
Speaker 4: the same thing over and over again and and and
Speaker 4: Chris just pounded him for it, and and it ended
Speaker 4: up I mean, I have to say for the rest
Speaker 4: of us, but we were kind of like, all right enough,
Speaker 4: Chris cut you know, you're you're You're like, you're killing
Speaker 4: the guy. But but it was Marco ran into trouble
Speaker 4: because he had a set piece that I guess he'd
Speaker 4: practiced that that that he repeated I think three separate
Speaker 4: times in a row, and and Christy really took advantage
Speaker 4: of it. That's not something you want to have happened.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: The good news is, I think the chances of Trump
Speaker 4: doing that are zero. That's that's not how he prepares
Speaker 4: for a debate. And I don't think there's any risk
Speaker 4: of him doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot of this, and let's move
Speaker 2: to Trump about hey, is he is he getting ready
Speaker 2: the way that he should be getting ready. He had
Speaker 2: a weak debate against Joe Biden in the last presidential
Speaker 2: cycle that some believe may have cost him the White House.
Speaker 2: He also said in an interesting article in the Washington Examiner, quote,
Speaker 2: so I've been in sixteen seventeen debates? Trump answered it.
Speaker 2: In response to a question. He said, quote, I think
Speaker 2: I've won almost all of him. I did well against
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz. That would be you, who is a good debater?
Speaker 2: All these guys. I became president. Some people say I
Speaker 2: became president because of these debates. You can't tell until
Speaker 2: you get up on the stage, because it depends on
Speaker 2: how he comes out. And I think you know he's
Speaker 2: referring obviously to Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now look that's right. And Trump is very loose
Speaker 4: in debates. He can be all over the place, but
Speaker 4: he tends to punch back. That's his instincts, you know,
Speaker 4: in terms of how he prepares for debates, particularly now,
Speaker 4: I think what he does is he does rallies. He
Speaker 4: goes to rallies and he riffs that and he finds
Speaker 4: themes that he thinks might work, and he sees how
Speaker 4: people react. I think a great example of that is
Speaker 4: the Las Vegas rally he did not too long ago,
Speaker 4: where where he rolled out the idea of no taxes
Speaker 4: on tips and and and actually, you know when when
Speaker 4: I had lunch with Trump a week before last, he
Speaker 4: talked talked to me and all the other Republican senators
Speaker 4: about where that came from. And he said he was
Speaker 4: sitting in the hotel room right before the rally, and
Speaker 4: he and and he was having some food, and the
Speaker 4: waitress came up, and and and and he said, the waitress,
Speaker 4: she said she was beautiful. She was beautiful, and we
Speaker 4: all believed we all believed him. And he said that
Speaker 4: she was. She was complaining about the burden of of
Speaker 4: all the record keeping for her tips and and and
Speaker 4: that it was really a pain, and that she didn't
Speaker 4: like it. And Trump said he just pulled out pulled
Speaker 4: out a pen and wrote down no taxes on tips
Speaker 4: and and he he told us, he said, look, this
Speaker 4: didn't come from a white paper, This didn't come from
Speaker 4: a bunch of tax experts. This just came from the
Speaker 4: conversation I had with the waitress, and then he said
Speaker 4: at the rally, I decided to say it, and I said,
Speaker 4: no taxes on tips, and he said and they went crazy,
Speaker 4: They went wild, And I got to say, by the way,
Speaker 4: I think is a policy proposal that one is political genius,
Speaker 4: and in fact, so much so that the week after
Speaker 4: he did it, I drafted legislation and filed legislation to
Speaker 4: make tips tax free because I actually agree with the
Speaker 4: idea strongly, and I think Republicans should be the party
Speaker 4: of waiters and waitresses and bartenders and barbers and hairstylists
Speaker 4: and taxicab drivers and uber drivers, and we're a blue
Speaker 4: collar party, and I think no taxes on tips is
Speaker 4: right at the heart of it, a tax relief proposal
Speaker 4: that goes goes exactly to the people we're fighting for.
Speaker 2: But that's Isn't it amazing by the way that Trump,
Speaker 2: now two of his biggest things have connected, whether it's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty or twenty sixteen, were kind of off the cuff.
Speaker 2: That build the Wall part, which became a co the
Speaker 2: center point, the cornerstone of his campaign.
Speaker 1: Sixteen was the same thing. It was a riff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he talks.
Speaker 4: About that how at a rally, he'll he'll essentially field
Speaker 4: test things. He'll put something out and see how people
Speaker 4: react and listen. The man has a really strong instinctual
Speaker 4: sense of people.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 4: I think the proposal of no taxes on tips, without exaggeration,
Speaker 4: I think that policy alone could could win in the
Speaker 4: state of Nevada. There's an enormous number of casino workers
Speaker 4: who who who get a significant part of their compensation
Speaker 4: from tips. There's a reason that crowd went wild because
Speaker 4: it spoke directly to people who are struggling, who are
Speaker 4: working towards the American dream. And I think you're right
Speaker 4: he did that with Bill the Wall that he tries
Speaker 4: different riffs and themes, and so I would expect that
Speaker 4: that that same dynamic. You know, it's interesting that that
Speaker 4: interview you were reading with byron Yorke with Trump on debates,
Speaker 4: that there was a portion of it that I thought
Speaker 4: was was very interesting. Well, which is he talked about
Speaker 4: the rules of this debate, and here's what Trump said,
Speaker 4: he said quote. What they did, I'm pretty sure is
Speaker 4: that they approached me with a debate that I couldn't take.
Speaker 4: Dana Bash Jake Tapper, whom Trump referred to as fake
Speaker 4: Tapper in the interview, no audience, sitting down originally sitting
Speaker 4: down a dead debate, turn off the mics when you're
Speaker 4: not speaking so I can't interrupt him. They knew I
Speaker 4: wouldn't accept that because it was CNN, it was Dana Bash,
Speaker 4: Jake Tapper, and I like it audience, and probably he doesn't,
Speaker 4: who knows, so they thought they would present it. I
Speaker 4: would say no, and then they would say we can't
Speaker 4: debate because Trump said no. So I said yes before
Speaker 4: they even gave me the terms. So he got roped
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: I agree with every word at what Trump just said there.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting, listen. I think this debate, every one
Speaker 4: of these rules is stacked to be against Trump. The
Speaker 4: fact that it is in a studio with no audience.
Speaker 4: Trump feeds off an audience, He plays to an audience.
Speaker 4: Biden's terrified by an audience, says the reason he turns
Speaker 4: out six people to his events so that favors him. CNN, Tapper,
Speaker 4: and and Bash are going to come after Trump relentlessly.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be Trump versus Biden. It is going
Speaker 4: to be Trump versus Biden and CNN. And and and
Speaker 4: and then the turning off the MIC's bit.
Speaker 3: Really is garbage.
Speaker 4: It's it's because Biden can't actually handle real conflict in
Speaker 4: the debate, and so he's asked CNN please stop mean
Speaker 4: mister Trump from from saying anything when I'm talking and listen.
Speaker 4: All of that skews towards Biden. But I also agree
Speaker 4: with with Trump's instinct, which is if he had pushed back,
Speaker 4: the Biden team desperately wanted to get out of this debate.
Speaker 4: They wanted to cancel it, and so they wanted to
Speaker 4: propose rules that that that were so skewed. Trump would
Speaker 4: push back and they could say, oh, it was Trump
Speaker 4: who canceled the debate, Guess we can't have it. And
Speaker 4: and so I completely agree with the decision. Fine, you
Speaker 4: get all the rules. It's skewed for you, We're going
Speaker 4: to have a debate. And and and listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make a prediction right now. My prediction is tonight Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is going to kick Joe Biden's ass in this debate.
Speaker 1: Is How's he going to do that?
Speaker 2: And I want to go back to sixteen for example,
Speaker 2: you know, he was on defense a lot.
Speaker 1: He enjoyed that aspect of the debates.
Speaker 2: I think at some point when he felt like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm the front runner and everybody's coming at me on
Speaker 2: the left and the right of the stage. Then in
Speaker 2: the last presidential debates that he was involved with, he
Speaker 2: was on defense because of COVID in the economy and
Speaker 2: inflation and things that were happening. And this time he's
Speaker 2: not on defense. He can absolutely go on offense. But
Speaker 2: does he have to be careful about his demeanor? Does
Speaker 2: he need to philosophically get the audience from point A
Speaker 2: to point B and kind of tone it down a
Speaker 2: little bit and make it clear, Hey, look, I'm running
Speaker 2: because people are hurting and people that were not hurting
Speaker 2: when I left office are now hurting. Is that a
Speaker 2: strategy that he should implement. What should demeanor be?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Look, I think it is very important that that he
Speaker 4: be toned down, that he not come in with a chainsaw.
Speaker 4: And if you look at the first debate in twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: the first debate in twenty twenty, he came out swinging,
Speaker 4: he was attacking, he was relentless, and I think the
Speaker 4: consequence of it is he bailed Joe Biden out Joe
Speaker 4: Biden was not doing well, but Trump interrupted so much
Speaker 4: that that it actually gave Biden an excuse just to
Speaker 4: shut up and let Trump be super aggressive. And particularly
Speaker 4: when Biden's answers are not very good, you got to
Speaker 4: give him a chance to give him and give him
Speaker 4: the rope to hang himself.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting.
Speaker 4: In this same interview Trump did with with with Byron York,
Speaker 4: he addresses this, So Byron York asks him, says, quote,
Speaker 4: a lot of people thought in the first debate with
Speaker 4: Biden that you were somewhat overamped, that you just went
Speaker 4: after him too much. Trump responds that I interrupt him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think And Byron Yorke says, do you agree with that?
Speaker 4: And here's what Trump said, Mmm huh. Then, after a
Speaker 4: short pause, he defended the interruptions before conceding that yes,
Speaker 4: there were too many. Quote, he lies so much. Trump said,
Speaker 4: he's going on everything he says is a lie. So
Speaker 4: I would call him because calling him out two minutes
Speaker 4: later is very tough because you know it's a lie.
Speaker 4: It's a lie. Everything's a lie. I've never seen anything
Speaker 4: like it. So when I would interrupt, it look like
Speaker 4: I agree. Though the second debate, I handled it much
Speaker 4: differently and got very good marks. And so look, I
Speaker 4: understand he was in the attack mode, and that's fine,
Speaker 4: but it ended up bailing bailing Biden out. I also
Speaker 4: agree with this comment there that Trump was much more
Speaker 4: effective in the second debate against Biden than in the first.
Speaker 4: And what I hope we see tonight is that Trump
Speaker 4: very calmly lays out the facts that Biden has screwed
Speaker 4: everything up, that Biden and heer did peace and prosperity,
Speaker 4: and that right now inflation is hammering working people, that
Speaker 4: that right now the economy people are hurting, that right
Speaker 4: now crime is rising far too high, that right now
Speaker 4: the border is an absolute chaos, and people are dying,
Speaker 4: and it's the worst in history. That on foreign policy,
Speaker 4: when Biden came into office, Donald Trump had just finished
Speaker 4: signing the Abraham Accords, we had peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 4: We now have two simultaneous wars, and and and what
Speaker 4: I hope that Trump does is simply lay out the
Speaker 4: facts that that on almost any every measure, the American
Speaker 4: people were better off when Trump was president than when
Speaker 4: Biden is president. And I think those facts are strong
Speaker 4: enough that he doesn't need to beat Biden over the
Speaker 4: head with tone or rhetoric. I'd let the facts do
Speaker 4: the work and and and and force Biden to defend himself.
Speaker 4: I would also try very much to surprise Biden, to
Speaker 4: cause him to ask him questions, to challenge him, not
Speaker 4: in a yelling manner, and because his microphone will be
Speaker 4: turned off of doesn't have the podium, that will be limited,
Speaker 4: but to challenge him very directly, to ask him questions
Speaker 4: that he can't give a set, memorized answer to, because
Speaker 4: I think Biden's prep team is giving him lots and
Speaker 4: lots of set memorized answers. They're trying to feed him
Speaker 4: substance that he can just regurgitate.
Speaker 2: Final question on this what do you think is the
Speaker 2: top maybe one to three subjects that Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: to make sure that he spends quality time on. And
Speaker 2: I may shock you on this one, you may disagree.
Speaker 2: I think there's certain issues that you don't spend a
Speaker 2: lot of time on. For example, I don't think you
Speaker 2: spend that much time on the Biden crime family, because
Speaker 2: I think you can get into the weeds and waste
Speaker 2: valuable time talking to the average American that might not
Speaker 2: care that much about that compared to the economy, or
Speaker 2: an open border, or a fetnyl coming across the southern border.
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I agree with that.
Speaker 4: There's lots of concerning evidence about Biden corruption, but I
Speaker 4: think a lot of voters are not following that very closely.
Speaker 4: Those that are know about it, the rest, I don't
Speaker 4: think are going to be persuaded by it. I would
Speaker 4: have just about every comment Trump makes be about how
Speaker 4: your life is different. Look, the classic question, and in
Speaker 4: any in any election, is are you better off today
Speaker 4: than you were four years ago? And and on almost
Speaker 4: every metric, the answer is clear. For the vast majority
Speaker 4: of Americans things were better when Trump was president than now,
Speaker 4: and and and and so I would have it. I
Speaker 4: would have immigration front and center. I think it is
Speaker 4: quite likely that that that that Trump is going to
Speaker 4: talk about Joscelyn Nungary, the the twelve year old beautiful
Speaker 4: girl who was assaulted and murdered in Houston just a
Speaker 4: few days ago by two illegal immigrants Joe Biden released.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to talk about Rachel Marin, the
Speaker 4: beautiful mother of five who was raped and murdered in
Speaker 4: suburban Maryland by illegal immigrants that Joe Biden released. I
Speaker 4: think he's going to talk about the thirteen year old
Speaker 4: girl just a few days ago who was raped in
Speaker 4: a public park in New York by an illegal immigrant
Speaker 4: that Joe Biden released, And I think he's going to
Speaker 4: talk or he should talk about the eight suspected terrorist
Speaker 4: isis K terrorist from Tajikistan who were just arrested on
Speaker 4: suspicion of a terrorist attack a plot, and again who
Speaker 4: Joe Biden released, and I hope he walks systematically through
Speaker 4: one after the other after the other. You know, you
Speaker 4: look at how on defense, how unprepared Biden was for
Speaker 4: Lake and Riley during the State of the Union, where
Speaker 4: his defense during the State of the Union was well,
Speaker 4: an illegal killed her, Well, legals kill people too. You know,
Speaker 4: if that's Biden's defense, that's not going to go well.
Speaker 4: And given how horrific the facts are here, I think Trump.
Speaker 4: You know, there's an old line in a court of law,
Speaker 4: which is, if you have the facts, you bang the facts.
Speaker 4: If you have the law, you bang the law. If
Speaker 4: you have neither, you bang the table. There's some truth
Speaker 4: to that. The facts of just how bad Biden's record
Speaker 4: is are so compelling that Trump doesn't need to be overstated.
Speaker 4: And in fact, in the same interview he went on
Speaker 4: a little bit more and he said, quote, I was
Speaker 4: very aggressive in the first one talking about the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty debate with Biden. The second one I was different,
Speaker 4: and I got great marks on the second one. It
Speaker 4: was a little unfair because in the second one a
Speaker 4: lot of votes had already been cast. So I'm probably
Speaker 4: gonna look at the scene at the time. It's like
Speaker 4: a fight. It depends on what the situation is. And
Speaker 4: and so I think I hope he's going to try
Speaker 4: more to emulate how he conducted the second debate. I
Speaker 4: think he was much stronger in the second debate. And
Speaker 4: I think you asked what topics that Trump is going
Speaker 4: to be sure to raise, And that's actually when you
Speaker 4: asked me before, Ben about preparing for debates. When I
Speaker 4: thought about a Supreme Court argument, I would always come
Speaker 4: up with a list of what I call must raise points,
Speaker 4: and they're typically three to five points. And my test
Speaker 4: for it was if when the argument was done and
Speaker 4: I sat down, if this point had not come out
Speaker 4: of my mouth, would I be pissed. Would I be
Speaker 4: kicking myself saying how did I get through this oral
Speaker 4: argument and not make this point? Because it is critical,
Speaker 4: it is why we should prevail in this Supreme Court argument.
Speaker 4: I would think about debates the same way, and when
Speaker 4: I prepare for them, I do I think about, all right,
Speaker 4: what are the substitutive points that, more than anything else,
Speaker 4: I want people at the end of the debate to
Speaker 4: remember and to say, this is what the election is
Speaker 4: all about. So I think immigration is going to be
Speaker 4: a huge part about it. I think it's the biggest
Speaker 4: issue in this election. I think inflation in the economy
Speaker 4: is right behind it, and I think people are really
Speaker 4: unhappy with inflation in the economy. And I think I
Speaker 4: hope Trump does a good job of laying out, for example,
Speaker 4: the connection of energy and the Biden administration's war on
Speaker 4: American energy and why that's driving inflation. I think that's
Speaker 4: a very powerful point. And then I also think on
Speaker 4: foreign policy, look, Trump is going to point out what
Speaker 4: is it with Democrats in forever wars? That when Trump
Speaker 4: was president, he got us out of a war, he
Speaker 4: defeated ISIS and ended the war, and Joe Biden gets office,
Speaker 4: and he goes from peace and prosperity to the biggest
Speaker 4: war in Europe since World War II and the worst
Speaker 4: war in the Middle East in fifty years. And objectively,
Speaker 4: the whole world is on fire. And I think Biden.
Speaker 4: Biden has a lot of hubris, a lot of arrogance.
Speaker 4: He thinks is a foreign policy expert. And I think
Speaker 4: Trump making the point that Joe, you've screwed the entire
Speaker 4: world up, that there has not been a president who's
Speaker 4: messed foreign policy up this badly since Jimmy Carter. I
Speaker 4: think that will drive Biden crazy and is a point
Speaker 4: I really hope Trump makes.
Speaker 2: There's another debate that's going to take place outside of
Speaker 2: the Trump the Biden debate, and that is the debate
Speaker 2: that could happen with CNN in the commentators. The two
Speaker 2: people that have been chosen are huge hacks that cannot
Speaker 2: stand Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: The evidence here, it is.
Speaker 6: The dehumanizing rhetoric of Adolf Hitler is once again alive
Speaker 6: and well on a national political stage, this time, of course,
Speaker 6: in the United States, this time give in life by
Speaker 6: former presidents and current Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump. If
Speaker 6: you were to open up a copy of Hitler's Mindkomf
Speaker 6: you would find the Nazi leader describing the mixing of
Speaker 6: non Germans with Germans as poisoning. There's really no other
Speaker 6: way to say it. Donald Trump's language mirrors this directly.
Speaker 7: Longstanding anti Semitic trope that the true allegiance for Jews
Speaker 7: is to their religion rather than their country. It was
Speaker 7: used in Nazi Germany to justify the arrest, persecutions, and
Speaker 7: mass killings attempted extermination of the Jewish people, and Trump
Speaker 7: has been pushing this trope for years.
Speaker 2: Those are your two moderators of the debate, Senator, and look,
Speaker 2: I worked with Dana. I've done presidential debates with Dana.
Speaker 2: I've done post preimposed election coverage, convention coverage, debate coverage
Speaker 2: with her and with Jake Tapper. I witness it for
Speaker 2: seven years behind the scenes. They both hate Trump, they
Speaker 2: both hate conservatives. This is normal. There's no way this
Speaker 2: is going to be a fair fight. How would you
Speaker 2: deal with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, they're going to come after him relentlessly. You're right.
Speaker 4: I've done lots and lots of interviews with both both
Speaker 4: Jake and Dana. I've done presidential debates with Jake and Dana.
Speaker 4: They're going to come in with an agenda. You know,
Speaker 4: it's ironic the portion you raised. You look at right
Speaker 4: now where all of the vicious anti semitism is coming from,
Speaker 4: and it's the left. It's the radical left that are
Speaker 4: protesting on campus, it's the squad, it's the Democrat Party.
Speaker 4: And yet in CNN world, it's Trump that is anti semitic.
Speaker 4: And it's just it is. They're coming in with a
Speaker 4: clear agenda. I don't expect them to ask difficult questions Biden.
Speaker 4: I expect them to go after relentlessly. I think they're
Speaker 4: obsessed with January sixth. I think you're going to get
Speaker 4: multiple questions about January sixth. They're going to try to
Speaker 4: prosecute them January sixth. I also we've seen CNN is
Speaker 4: obsessed with the trials. I think you're gonna get questions
Speaker 4: about Gene Carroll. I think you're gonna get questions about
Speaker 4: Stormy Daniels. By the way, none of which matters to
Speaker 4: an American family who's worried about putting food on the table,
Speaker 4: who's worried about keeping their kids safe. But CNN is
Speaker 4: not trying to ask questions that are helpful for a
Speaker 4: voter to decide whom to vote for instead. And when
Speaker 4: I said Trump should be overstated, I meant really with
Speaker 4: respect to Biden. If if CNN it acts like you
Speaker 4: and I both think they're gonna act, which is as
Speaker 4: wild eyed partisans. I think Trump should should be perfectly
Speaker 4: fine just calling them out on it. And they're so
Speaker 4: thin skin that they're so sensitive.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It was really striking this week when when when you
Speaker 4: had a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign on CNN and
Speaker 4: she was laying out both both Jake and Dana's long
Speaker 4: history of antagonism to Trump, and CNN ended the interview.
Speaker 4: They're like, no, no, I'm not gonna let you talk
Speaker 4: badly about my colleagues. We're done. You can't say that.
Speaker 4: And I got to say, Ben, when a so called
Speaker 4: journalistic outlet censors what you say and says you can't
Speaker 4: criticize us, we are beyond criticism. That's not journalism. And
Speaker 4: I think they are really thin skinned, and I think
Speaker 4: we're going to see that tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no doubt about it.
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Speaker 2: another shocking story. Uh, and it is one that I
Speaker 2: wish I could say I didn't think we would see. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: you predicted it. We've talked about it that this was
Speaker 2: going to keep happening. This one, though, is extremely concerning.
Speaker 2: The Department of Homeland Security has identified now quote, over
Speaker 2: four hundred migrants brought to the US by an ISIS
Speaker 2: affiliated human smuggling network, and now they are they're desperately
Speaker 2: trying to find people they had caught and released. Now
Speaker 2: over one hundred and fifty of them have been arrested,
Speaker 2: but the whereabouts of over fifty remain unknown.
Speaker 1: Your reaction.
Speaker 4: Look, this is a shocking story that in some ways
Speaker 4: is not shocking because we know that this administration that
Speaker 4: Joe Biden and the Democrats have effectively rolled out the
Speaker 4: red carpet and with open borders, have given an invitation
Speaker 4: to terrorists to come into the country. But even so,
Speaker 4: the degree of naivete and reckless disregard for the safety
Speaker 4: of Americans is remarkable. So here's the story. According to NBC,
Speaker 4: and I'm just going to quote NBC quote, the Department
Speaker 4: of Homeland Security has identified over four hundred immigrants from
Speaker 4: Central Asia and elsewhere who crossed into the US in
Speaker 4: the past three years as subjects of concern because they
Speaker 4: were brought by an ISIS affiliated human smug network, three
Speaker 4: US officials tell NBC News. While over one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty of them have been arrested, the whereabouts of over
Speaker 4: fifty remain unknown, the official said, and Immigration and Customs
Speaker 4: Enforcement is looking to arrest them on immigration charges when
Speaker 4: they are located. One of the US officials and people
Speaker 4: said people affiliated with ISIS are operating as human smugglers
Speaker 4: in Central Asia and helping people there leave their countries
Speaker 4: and travel to the West, where they are smuggled into
Speaker 4: the US. It is not known whether the human smuggling
Speaker 4: activity directly funds ISIS activities, or whether ISIS members are
Speaker 4: making personal money through human smuggling on the side, the
Speaker 4: US official said. The official added that the US has
Speaker 4: no indication that the more than four hundred migrants brought
Speaker 4: to the US by the network have plans to carry
Speaker 4: out terrorism in the US, but immigration agents are looking
Speaker 4: to arrest them out of an abundance of caution. And
Speaker 4: here's a quote from the Bible Administration quote. In this case,
Speaker 4: it was the information that suggested a potential tie to
Speaker 4: ISIS because some of the individuals involved in smuggling migrants
Speaker 4: to the borders, that led us to want to take
Speaker 4: extra care and out of an abundance of caution, make
Speaker 4: sure that we exercised our authority in the most expansive
Speaker 4: and appropriate way to mitigate risk because of this potential
Speaker 4: connection being made.
Speaker 3: Now that's the.
Speaker 4: Quote, And what utter and complete garbage out of an
Speaker 4: abundance of caution, Yeah, we let four hundred people go
Speaker 4: that ISIS had smuggled into the country because we're so cautious,
Speaker 4: and then we realized, wait a second, there's an election.
Speaker 4: There's an election coming up in five months, and all
Speaker 4: these people that ISIS smuggled in if they carry out
Speaker 4: a terrorist attack and people realize we let them go,
Speaker 4: that's going to be a real problem.
Speaker 3: Oh crap, does anyone know where they are?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: What an insane statement?
Speaker 2: Well, and not just insane, but it's also interesting to
Speaker 2: see now how the media is covering this. NBC Nightly
Speaker 2: News actually ran this on the Nightly News and called
Speaker 2: it an NBC investigation.
Speaker 1: Listen tonight.
Speaker 8: NBC News has learned more than fifty migrants with potential
Speaker 8: ties to an ISIS affiliated smuggling network are at large
Speaker 8: in America. Many illegally crossed the border and were released
Speaker 8: into the US by border patrol because there was no
Speaker 8: information suggesting terrortize at the time. Now their whereabouts are
Speaker 8: unknown as immigration agents look to arrest them.
Speaker 1: US officials tell.
Speaker 8: Us saying they're among a group of over four hundred
Speaker 8: migrants DHS identified in the US from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, Kyrkistan, Georgia,
Speaker 8: and Russia as subjects of concern because they were brought
Speaker 8: to the US by an ISIS affiliated smuggling network, something
Speaker 8: the FBI director warned about earlier this year.
Speaker 2: Some of the overseas facilitators of the smuggling network have
Speaker 2: ISIS ties that were very concerned about.
Speaker 8: Ice IS located and arrested over one hundred and fifty
Speaker 8: of the four hundred migrants so with some already deported
Speaker 8: from the US. Officials say, adding authorities are not panicking
Speaker 8: because their ties to ISIS are not certain, but they're
Speaker 8: prioritizing their arrest out of an abundance of caution.
Speaker 5: The problem is the volume of people coming across the
Speaker 5: southern border. Individuals from ISIS and other affiliated groups have
Speaker 5: recognized it as a weak point in our defense, and
Speaker 5: they're using this opportunity to try to sneak in.
Speaker 8: NBC News was first to report on a similar arrest
Speaker 8: of a newsback man in Baltimore whose country alerted the
Speaker 8: US he was affiliated with ISIS. That man, like the
Speaker 8: others apprehended so far, was arrested on immigration charges, not
Speaker 8: terrorism related charges. ISIS k has claimed responsibility for deadly
Speaker 8: terror attacks in Russia and Iran in the past year,
Speaker 8: and recently, the DHS Inspector General sharply criticizing vetting at
Speaker 8: the US southern border, saying DHS is at risk of
Speaker 8: admitting dangerous persons into the country or enabling asylum seekers
Speaker 8: who may pot significant threats to public safety and national
Speaker 8: security to continue to reside in the United States. Two
Speaker 8: senior law enforcement officials told NBC News they are not
Speaker 8: tracking a terror plot from this group of migrants, but
Speaker 8: their arrest on immigration charges come out of an abundance
Speaker 8: of caution.
Speaker 2: Lester, They sure do you like that word center, abundance
Speaker 2: of caution? I also love in there. That one line
Speaker 2: that really just made me laugh is quote authorities are
Speaker 2: quote not panicking. Really that's supposed to make me feel better.
Speaker 4: Well remarkably, though, what they're not panicking about is not
Speaker 4: the actual public safety threat. It's not keeping Americans safe.
Speaker 4: It's the political exposure. They're freaked out because there's an
Speaker 4: election in a few months and they realize, oh no,
Speaker 4: this could look really bad for us. It has been
Speaker 4: the consistent pattern of this White House that they do
Speaker 4: not prioritize national security. Everything everything, everything is partisan politics,
Speaker 4: and Okay, what I'm about to say, it's not hyperbole.
Speaker 4: It is accurate day after day, week after week, month
Speaker 4: after month. For three and a half years, Joe Biden
Speaker 4: the Democrats have released illegal immigrants who are murderers, who
Speaker 4: are rapists, who are child molesters, who are gang members,
Speaker 4: and who are being smuggled in by isis K, a
Speaker 4: known terrorist organization, and they're letting them go. They're letting
Speaker 4: them go the four hundred notice notice in that NBC
Speaker 4: report they said they were released by the Biden administration.
Speaker 4: So we apprehended them, said, oh, look, isis K bringing
Speaker 4: someone in? All right, let's let them go? Like that
Speaker 4: is it defies words. And if there were not an
Speaker 4: election in five months, I don't think the Biden administration
Speaker 4: would be doing anything at all about it. This is
Speaker 4: all about cover it up until after election day and
Speaker 4: then we can let them go again. And I don't
Speaker 4: get Actually, I do not understand the thought process. If
Speaker 4: you're Alejandro Mayorcus help me on this, Ben, Seriously, if
Speaker 4: you're Alejandro Mayorcis, You're like, hey, four hundred people, isis
Speaker 4: case smuggled in?
Speaker 3: Should we let them go? Like?
Speaker 4: What is how do the brain synapses fire for your
Speaker 4: answer to be yep, let them go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the scary part is I think they just say
Speaker 2: this is just part of that. You've got to take
Speaker 2: the bad with the good, and their definition of good
Speaker 2: is letting millions in. So, hey, we know there's gonna
Speaker 2: be bad actors in those millions. We can't check them
Speaker 2: all out fast enough as we're allowing them to flood
Speaker 2: into this country. So that's just our policy. There may
Speaker 2: be terrorists to get in here. Oh wait, there are
Speaker 2: terrorists to get in here. We know there's people on
Speaker 2: the terrorists watch list, and we're just gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 2: But right before the election, we're going to clean it
Speaker 2: up a little bit and look like we're being proactive.
Speaker 4: I've said this multiple times, but I very much believe it.
Speaker 4: We are today at a greater risk of a major
Speaker 4: terrorist attack than we have been any time since September eleventh,
Speaker 4: and the director of the FBI has been saying that
Speaker 4: over and over and over again in congressional testimony. What
Speaker 4: the FBI is looking at, I'm confident, is even worse
Speaker 4: than what we're talking about. And that is the direct
Speaker 4: consequence of utterly reckless policies of open borders, and to
Speaker 4: tie this to what we started at the beginning. I
Speaker 4: think this should be front and center what Trump is
Speaker 4: talking about tonight at the debate.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that was gonna be
Speaker 2: my final question for you is if CNN doesn't bring
Speaker 2: it up, do you force the issue if because I
Speaker 2: have a feeling they're going to be playing defense for
Speaker 2: Joe Biden. So does the president go all in on
Speaker 2: these type of issues even if they don't bring them up.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 1: Bring it up. No matter what, I love it.
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Speaker 2: lot of reaction to debate.
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