WEBVTT - Part Two: Thomas Kinkade: the Evil-est Painter 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.040 Also Media. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.600 Oh Man, welcome back to Behind the Bastards. You know, 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.879 this is part two of our episodes on Thomas Kincaid 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.360 with Randy Millholland of Something Positive and in between recording episodes. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.880 We usually do both parts on the same day, and 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.720 we'll always have a break in between so we can 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.439 grab a little bit of lunch, you know, just have 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.480 some minutes without the headset on, you know, recharge. This time, 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.120 I sat down and I wrote an eighty six hundred 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.280 words short story where Hitler and John Wayne Gacy saw 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.159 a series of murders in nineteen eighties New Orleans. And 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.520 you know, I'm gonna be honest, I'm having some mixed 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.199 feelings about it turned out more erotic than I had 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.919 initially intended, and I think largely honestly, Randy, I think 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.080 I mostly used it as a vehicle to express a 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.760 lot of my anger at the Federal Reserve. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.880 I think that was all expected from Ember one. Like, 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.960 I'm surprised it's not more erotic. Yeah. Yeah. There would 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:05.319 have been like a heaving scene where they talked about manhood, and. 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.440 I had to cut that because the Hitler gives a 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.720 speech about the gold standard at the sight of the 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.960 second murder that I really felt gone across something important. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.000 I'm gonna put it up on my substack, Sophie. Well, 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.240 we'll get it out there for all the listeners. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.720 He's the audience that you've written a thing and then 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:22.520 not read it. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.240 Sophie, you're not allowed to podcast the opinions I have 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.200 about the Federal Reserve. They'll come for me, They'll come 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:29.920 for all of us. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.640 Oh can I design the cover for this book at least? 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:34.520 Please? Please? 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:40.000 I'm enjoying our role over here. You're trying, you're trying 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.360 to save our jobs, and I'm trying to provoke you. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.000 Sophie. I know you feel the same. That's the why 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.320 we're business partners. You're just as angry at the Fed 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.080 as I have. You know, you've been voting for Ron 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.840 Paul for years before he was even in office, you know, uh, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.760 and we still write him in every year, for every 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:02.000 for every position. You know, every county commissioner, Ron Ball, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.520 but for me, Rochel, Doccatcher, Ron Paul. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.640 But for me, Ron Paul isn't a man. He's really 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.920 just a friendly cat. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.840 Well, Ron Paul kind of I think exists above and 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.760 beyond the concept of sexuality, which is why he's so erotic. Anyway, Randy, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.240 are you ready to learn more about Thomas Kinkaid? 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.639 Okay, I'm terrified to learn more about Thomas Kinkaid. I'll 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.720 be honest with you. You should be. He's gonna go downhill 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:26.840 real fucking best. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:36.359 It definitely will. We're back. Thomas started becoming a household 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.160 name in the early to mid nineteen nineties, a time 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.359 when collectibles were taking off in a big way. As 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.320 we talked about last episode, this is the decade again, 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.000 Pokemon match with Gathering. There's this whole new subculture, and 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.440 Thomas is aware of all this, and he's aware that 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.200 I think I think part of what he's aware of 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.640 is if you're a zoomer, you won't remember this, but 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.240 millennials in the audience will recall every time you had 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.120 Magic or Pokemon or you know, and Masters the Universe toys, 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.280 some new collectible craze take off. There'd be a chunk 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.079 of the Christian right telling everyone that this was the devil, 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.440 that like, this was Satan trying to get his hands 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.639 on our children. And I kind of think the fear 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.520 at Ferby's too right, and I d and d you know, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.040 which is less of a collectibles thing, but it still 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.080 kind of speaks to the mood at the time. And 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.760 this is not something I've heard anyone else. Right, Maybe 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.799 I'm wrong about this, but I kind of suspect part 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.760 of what Thomas is consciously doing here is recognizing, well, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.440 for a wide variety of reasons, evangelical Christians cannot or 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.600 don't feel comfortable buying into these other sort of collectible things. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.440 But they're they're people like anyone else. Whatever thing in 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.800 the human brain gets ticked by collecting a bunch of shit. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.480 They have that too. I just have to provide them 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.200 with something that's safe, right, And I do kind of 0:03:55.240 --> 0:04:01.560 suspect that that's what he's doing, especially when yeah, yeah, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.200 because it's such the same thing, the artificially restricting the selection, right, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.200 the trying to get people to hoard stuff, convincing them 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.560 these are investment vehicles. And he would also this is 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.560 kind of where things get fun. He started spreading insane 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.120 rumors about the links that he would go to to 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.000 make sure that his highlighted art pieces were like worth collecting, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.839 that nobody was getting a fake, right, then you were 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.960 getting an original. Thomas Kincaid print, if you bought a 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.039 Thomas Kincaid print that a real person had like slapped 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.119 a little bit of paint on a tree. For most 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.359 additions were supposedly signed with ink that contained Thomas's DNA 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.120 from either his hair or his blood to quote to 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.560 prevent fakes, which I love because the insinuation here is 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.240 that some of the thirty thousand dollars millionaires buying his 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.120 art could afford to have the signature DNA tested somehow 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.800 if they needed to prove that their Thomas Kincaid was 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.200 an original, Like, where are people going to get that 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.839 test done? Thomas? How are they you doing this? 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.960 Oh my god, does Thomas Kinkaid have something in common kiss? 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.440 Because it was a whole story about them mixing their 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.320 blood the ink for their Marvel comic. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.679 Yes, And I honestly I think that more artists should 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.760 do this, right, Like, when you get it, you should 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.320 be able to listen to not just the normal edition 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.800 of this podcast, right, that's for poor people. If you're 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.960 if you're a man of means, you should be able 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.279 to buy the exclusive edition of this podcast, which comes 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.800 with a vial of either my blood or my hair. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.800 You know, you never know what you're gonna get, but 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.080 something that was once a part of me, you know, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.560 and all you have to pay. It's Sophie, it's just 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:44.560 twenty two thousand dollars an episode. That's a bargain anyway. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.080 It's a collectionatile everybody guaranteed to appreciate. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.600 You're going to get them off anyway. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:50.800 Yeah, that's right, that's right. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.720 Toenails ever wax. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.760 You know a special benefit for our online listeners who 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.599 are crazy rich people with money. Every time you buying 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:04.800 an exclusive Behind the Bastard's premier Collector's edition episode, you 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.479 get three minutes of Hitler and John Wayne Gacy solving 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.520 crimes in nineteen eighties New Orleans. Collect them all to 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:12.400 get the whole story. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.719 You sickos that heard Robert say things about hair and 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.320 toenails and thought, ooh, I would want that to yourself. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.960 I'm going to stay off the subreddit this week. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:28.160 Don't post anything we did, stay. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:28.719 Off the internet. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.839 My mom always just keep that on the inside like 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:31.279 a winner. 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.480 Yeah, so critics. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.120 Honest, any rich person who's listening to your podcast is 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.080 probably just getting ideas on what they're going to do 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.040 with their wealth. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.440 Yeah, yeah, I don't know how many of these twenty 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.360 two thousand dollars collectors Edition episodes we're going to sell. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.880 Critics continue to dog his work, continue to dog his 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.200 work somehow the whole I put my own blood and 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.800 my signature on these prints didn't win them back. But 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.960 as he grew older and richer, he got better at 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.880 striking back at them, as this segment from an article 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.039 in Salon makes clear. And in nearly every encounter with 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.040 the press, Kincaid delivered a diatribe against the art world 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.880 establishment that had shut him out. They were elites touting 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.960 unfathomable down or junk to hard working people who needed uplift. Instead, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.280 art snobs were the esthetic counterparts of the so called 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:25.040 liberal elites. So he's doing culture war stuff with his 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.640 two like your which is again he's he's not unique 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.600 in this. That's really starting on the right in the nineties. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.800 To a significant degree, people are finding out how to 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.800 monetize the culture war. But he's kind of the first 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.840 guy to mix that with like the collectibles industry, which 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.680 I find interesting. Right, you are participating in a culture 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.360 war against leftist intellectuals by buying my prints. 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.840 Its back to the whole vandals, they how many evangelis Like, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.000 you know the world is against you, but like here 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.000 I'm with you. Now buy this prayer Vile of. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:03.080 Water, right, yeah, exactly. Now. I should note here that 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.360 one time Thomas said of Pablo Picasso he had talent 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.720 but didn't use it in a significant way. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:17.000 I'm sorry, what what a wild man to say that about? Yeah, Manna, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.720 not really much not not a lot of talent being 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.800 used there, right, he kind of half passed his way 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.880 through that that piece of. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.080 Art, that's century defining. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:27.280 Piece of art. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:36.480 That's stunning, That is amazing, amazing, am that's like. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:42.280 Bob Denver knocking down sl oh my god, like some 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:42.920 major actor. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.000 Oh god, It's like it's like he's talking about like 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.360 some jazz musician who put out like one really great 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.920 album and then like overdose or something where it's like, oh, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.760 it's a tragedy that he didn't, like, you know, master 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.000 his demons and make more art. But like Pablo Picasso 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:01.000 made a lot of very influential art. What are you talking. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.320 About across mediums? 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:08.200 Yes, Jesus, what a what a wild thing to say. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.880 I had a great experience like ten fifteen years back 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:16.160 at a Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Intel and Nokia 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.319 bought out the Picasso Museum for like a party, and 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.920 so it was just like you're just kind of like 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.320 walking through and on the walls are just like these 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.000 these like draw like sketches that he had done too, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.760 including a bunch of him like having sex with his girlfriend, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.679 which I felt like, oh, I don't know, should they 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.320 should this be up on the should this be up 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.200 on the wall of a well? Like, I don't know, 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.000 that's not it's that creepy for you to draw depict 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.160 your own relationship with somebody. It's kind of weird as 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.480 the people running the museum to be like, well, yeah, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.240 we should stick this up on the wall. Like, I 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.920 don't know, man, that's a little private to me. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.840 Yeah, I don't think I need to see that. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.000 Yeah, he does a good job of depicting what the 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.839 beard looks like in that situation. If you're really curious that, 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.400 you can learn a lot about good pretty good. These 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.920 were These were all not thrusting pictures, I'll say that 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.160 much about them. Anyway, It was a it was a 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:19.160 fun time, Yeah, you could say that. So in nineteen 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.280 ninety four, kay kN Kay took light. How I wonder 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.120 what can kate? No, I don't. In nineteen No, he's 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.000 about to He's going to sexually harass people later in 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:28.800 this episode. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.240 Oh god, damn. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.480 I was gonna say Picasso would never, but Picasso probably did. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.360 I'm actually rather sure that he There's some some things 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:38.840 about him. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.960 Yeah, almost certainly. In nineteen ninety four, Kincaid took Lighthouse 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.760 Publishing public. It was initially very successful, raking in millions 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.960 of dollars and shooting up the value of the stock 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.839 to something like twenty or twenty five dollars a share. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.839 At its height, Kinkaid became the only working artist to, 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.200 in Sue Orleans words, be a small cap equid issue. Right, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.440 he is this is unique, Like it's not unique for 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.120 artists to like commercialize, but the way that he does it, 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.080 he's the only guy doing it this way. Ye. Late 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.800 later in nineteen ninety four, he is named Artist of 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.240 the Year by the National Association of Limited Edition Dealers, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.920 evidence that he had been spotted and appreciated by the 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.960 sort of people who are making a fortune on the 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:27.440 burgeoning collectible culture. Business Week named Lighthouse a hot growth 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.760 company in nineteen ninety five, and from nineteen ninety seven 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.960 to mid two thousand and five, Kincaid earned an eyewatering 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.920 total of fifty three million dollars for his work. This 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.560 included almost twelve million dollars for these studio proofs that 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.120 he retouched with highlights. Nice work if you can make. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:49.760 It, if you if you find the suckers with the money. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.040 I mean, I don't know what to say. Like, I 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.000 see nothing wrong with becoming rich off your work. I 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.480 see everyone's cap selling your stuff out there, But I 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.240 do hate the whole like grift part of it. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.200 Yeah, there's definitely a degree of evil here. At the 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.880 same time, if you have a chance to make fifty 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.120 three million dollars painting trees on a canvas, who's not 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:10.760 going to do that? 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:11.440 Yeah? 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:12.000 Right? 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.720 Like who would? 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.319 Yeah? 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.440 Yeah? I could make a bunch of prints of Popeye 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.959 and make extra money by just painting the pipe on 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:21.680 him afterwards. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:26.080 Yeah, yeah, exactly, doing a little dash of brown first media. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.600 I promise I will not be doing that, Please don't. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:29.640 I might. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.400 I might, though, if you want to see me paint 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.240 some pipes, you know, or paint once we get that 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.520 Hitler Gayy art, you know, I could do a little 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.800 I could do a little dollop a dollar a color 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.160 on there, twelve million dollars. 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:42.760 Stop printing it. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.560 It'll appreciate, Sophie. It's going to make the money. This 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.200 is a great investment vehicle. You know, cash out your 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.760 four one. We always go, you know, we always go 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.679 fifty to fifty. Listen and I'm very pro cash out 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.080 your four oh one ks and pick up some of 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.880 our erotic hitler gayy art. You know, it's the it's 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.640 the Bitcoin of the twenty twenties. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.199 God, I feel like he bought these prints with paint 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.360 on them. Are the same people who probably as ex 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.000 silently by the Trump dollars yes yeah, or the Trump 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:13.600 teddy bears. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.000 These one hundred percent of his customers have since gotten 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.160 caught up in a scam where they bought five hundred 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.840 dollars Trump bills, and or or they are collecting Iraqi 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.559 dinars waiting for Trump to get back in and revalue 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.480 them like they are all born marks. That is that 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.520 is who he profits off of. That's why there's one 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:33.680 of these in every ten houses. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.319 Just really love the Gold advertiser. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.959 Oh God, we all love Gold. I mean it's again 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.800 a great investment. Vehicle only goes up. Don't look at 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:47.920 don't don't look into that. So as the business went on, 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.959 Kincaid proved himself a savvy innovator. The people he brought 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.520 on to advise his company once it started making millions 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.200 of dollars seemed to have felt he was walking a tightrope, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.760 providing art that looked original and unique, but wasn't original 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.720 and unique in any sense. That mattered when Thomas told 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.199 them he wanted to start offering different sizes of print 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.080 and versions of his prints in limited products like mugs 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:13.520 and lazy boy lounge chairs. Seriously, they hit lazy boy chairs. Yeah, 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:18.040 yeah them. Yeah, I think like a or like a 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.360 a what you'm gonna call it a landscape? Yeah, that 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.800 sounds like a nightmare. I don't want to wake up 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.200 surrounded by Thomas Kincaid art. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.080 This is reminded me of kiss again, Like, don't forget 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.760 to get your Thomas Kinkaid coffin. 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.000 These are not They're not very different people in a 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.360 lot of ways. I think Jeene Simmons is a lot 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.720 more honest because I'll say this, Thomas always pretends to 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.640 not be the kind of guy he is Gene Simmons 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.560 is pretty much the kind of guy he is. Right, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.240 One thing you can't say when you hear ugly stuff 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.280 about Gene Simmons, you can't pretend he misled me. Right, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.400 It's like I kind always knew you were a piece 0:14:59.400 --> 0:14:59.680 of shit. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.720 Ge. You feel like it's likely to be around you. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.680 Yeah, yeah, I would have to take a shower shaking 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.960 your hand. I just know that about you. So anyway, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.960 his investors, Kincaid's investors, when he starts putting out lazy 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.360 boy chairs, are like, well, this, what if this devalues 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.040 all the prints you're putting out. He's supposed to be 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.360 investment vehicles. People are supposed to supposed to be serious art. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.440 This might make it look cheap. Uh and Kencaid replied, 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.440 fuck you, motherfuckers and whipped out his dick. I mean, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.240 not like literally with respect that, but also he kind 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.360 of did literally because Thomas Kinkaid was the kind of 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.080 guy who liked to assert his dominance in social situations, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.560 particularly business settings, by pissing on stuff. This is a 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.560 regular thing in his career, so he didn't kind of 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.440 whip his dick out on them, right, Yeah, I used 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:49.880 to know. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.880 He reenacted the bathroom scene from Wolf. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I used to know kind 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.800 of like mid level drug lord, lower mid level drug 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.920 lord who would do that whenever he showed up at 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.560 a site. Is just like whip his dick out and 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.600 start pissing all over the ground in front of the 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.080 farm or something. You know. It's just that there's some 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.320 guys who just have that in them that need to 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.400 like this will this will somehow gain me a benefit 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.240 in the situation. I prefer the uh I got this 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.800 from the old upright Citizens Brigade, but the ass Pennies idea, 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.640 that one works a lot better. You know, look that 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.640 one up kids, Look up the ass Penny sketch. If 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:30.320 you ain't seen it. 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.120 When my Chather was tuned, if I wasn't giving her 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.120 enough attention, she would just you know, pull her trainers 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.360 off and peel on the floor. Made sure I saw it. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.880 And that's what makes me think of like, did no 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.520 one put kinkaid in a corner or time out? 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.800 And don't maybe it because you're right, having spent time 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.000 around a little kid, now it is one of the 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.480 like one of the first levers that you learn as 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.440 a little person. You can play. Is like, well, if 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.640 I am not getting the attention I need, they have 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:02.680 to pay attention if I start pissing on some Yeah, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.840 Thomas Kinkaid is just kind of stuck in that two 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.600 year old stage. So for an example of how this 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.720 kind of went, in the late nineteen nineties, he held 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.000 a company gathering at the Disneyland Hotel in Anaheim. According 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.359 to the Huffington Post quote, this one's for you, Walt 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.800 the artist quipped late one night as he urinated on 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.680 a Winnie the Pooh figure, said Terry Shephard, a former 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.880 vice president for Kincaid's company, in an interview. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.560 Cross, sir, gross, all the. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:32.920 Things to piss on Winnie the Pooh. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.399 And again, I would like to reiterate Kincaid's company currently 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:41.000 has a license with Disney and does Disney Prince, Marvel Prince, 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.159 and Star Wars Prince. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:43.120 Yeah. 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.840 Also he's called the Pooh and the pet it, right, Thomas, you. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.960 Do have to pay an extra fifty percent for one 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.920 of the Winnie the Pooh prints that he pissed on. 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:58.120 Those are a dwindling commodity. Now tragedy since signature now 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.359 this incident him pissing on the pooh came up in 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.399 a court case. That's why we know it. So this 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.879 vice president had to tell this story under oath, and 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.040 when Thomas was questioned about it, he told the truth 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.080 and described that he was. He said that basically, this 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.040 isn't a thing I did just once I am drawn 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:23.480 to quote ritual territory marking. Wow, very funny. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.520 So does he own the one hundred day for when now? 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.160 Because he wayne the poo to serve as dominance, I don't. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:29.000 That's how it works. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.720 That how works, that's how that's how he got ownership 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.119 of it from AA NILM. That old fucker just couldn't 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.280 fight back, didn't have a strong his prostates been swollen 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.520 up since World War One, so he can't even he 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.440 can't even get a good stream. It's hard to fight 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.200 when you were well, yeah that too. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:46.320 So that's girls. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:47.879 Yeah we are. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.439 Don't don't be judgmental. Don't be judgmental. You know, the 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.119 world needs all kinds. Without people peeing on plants, how 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.840 will they get enough nitrogen? I think it's nitrogen anyway. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.520 I don't think that that's good for plants. 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.840 It's good for some stuff, you know. Anyway, here's ads 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.680 ah we're back. We're thinking about peeing on things. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.400 No, always time you are, that's you, that's your. 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:19.800 I'm going to go I'm going to go out of 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.359 the woods today and pee on some stuff, Sophie. So 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.040 for a while the times were good, at least for 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.200 Kincaid and his close and his closest allies. But their 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.119 fortune was entirely reliant upon having a healthy garden of 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.159 marks to keep funneling the money up. Because again, this 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.360 is basically an MLM or a pyramid scheme. Now, I'm 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.840 not talking about most of his customers here. Most of 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.720 them are misled by the sales pitch, as is the 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.399 case with multi level marketing. Though the big money for 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:50.000 Kincaid isn't in individual sales. It's in convincing people who 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.160 have startup capital to go in and invest in starting 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.760 a gallery to sell your shit. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:56.200 Right. 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.600 That's the part of this that really does look most 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.679 like a pyramid scheme, right, because while Lighthouse is a 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.120 public company, each Kincaid's signature gallery is a business owned 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.320 by private operators, much like a McDonald's. Much of Thomas's 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.800 work outside of painting was selling himself to the people 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.560 who wanted to own Galleries. One of these people, last 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.960 name Spinello, later claimed in court that Kincaid's personal life 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.360 story was a big part of the sales pitch. Quote. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.919 We were told success story after success story, and of 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.320 course the Tom story and his Christian views and the 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.119 way he runs his life. So these are like old 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.000 retirees who have banked a few million and are being 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.280