1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Imagine your mom late in life, getting ready to meet 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: her maker, pulls you aside and says, honey, I have 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: a confession. Your long dead dad and I were infamous 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: skyjackers fifty years ago. All right. It's considered one of 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: the greatest aviation mysteries of all time. It's right up 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: there with Amelia Earhart's disappearance. We're talking about the nineteen 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: seventy one hijacking of a Northwest Orient flight headed to Seattle, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: during which a passenger referred to as dB Cooper collected 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars parachuted out of the plane, never 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: to be heard fromhim again. Well, it finally looks like 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: there's a viable, though long dead suspect. I'm Patty Steele 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: dB Cooper, possibly unmasked. That's next on the backstory. The 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: backstory is back. So this is the story of a 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: guy who hijacks a Boeing seven to twenty seven with 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: tons of people on board, demands two hundred thousand bucks 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: and four parachutes, then jumps into the bitter cold evening 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: over Washington State and he gets away with it. This 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: is the latest on the story of D. B. Cooper. 19 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: It happened over fifty two years ago, but other than 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty discovery of fifty eight hundred dollars from 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the Ransom, which was lying along a remote Columbia River 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: bank in Washington, no other clues, however, turned up until recently. 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: It all started on Thanksgiving Eve, November twenty fourth, nineteen 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: seventy one, the guy we call D. B. Cooper buys 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: a ticket for a flight from Portland, Oregon to Seattle 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: under the name Dan Cooper, although the press mistakenly calls 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: him dB Cooper, and that kind of sticks. That's how 28 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: we know him from then on. Cooper's wearing a sharp 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: looking suit, dark sunglasses, and carrying a briefcase. He settles 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: into seat eighteen C. He's calm, collected, and he casually 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: lights a cigarette. The stewardess is like him. He seems 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: charismatic and nice. Then about thirty minutes into the flight, 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: he makes his move. He signals to flight attendant Florence 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: Schaffner and hands her a note. She thinks he's flirting, 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: and she just slips the note into her pocket without 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: reading it. That's when Cooper leans forward. He looks her 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: in the eye coldly and says, miss you'd better look 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: at that note. I have a bomb. Yesh, can you 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: imagine that feeling? Florence looks at the note and it 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: is chilling. Cooper claims he has a bomb in his briefcase, 41 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: and he demands two hundred thousand dollars in negotiable American currency, 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: four parachutes, and a fuel truck standing by in Seattle 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: to refuel the aircraft for a getaway. She alerts the 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: cockpit and the captain radios the demands to airic traffic Control. 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: The FBI scrambles to meet those demands, and the plane 46 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: lands without the passengers knowing what's going on. They've just 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: been told it's a minor mechanical issue and they're gonna 48 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: have to switch planes. The exchange goes as planned, the 49 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: plane lane passengers get off while the plane is refueled. Meantime, 50 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: Cooper inspects the cash and the parachutes, and there's nothing 51 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: anybody can do because he's still holding the crew hostage. 52 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Just before they take off again, one of the flight 53 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: attendants asks Cooper if the flight attendants can leave. His response, 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: whatever you girls like, but he forces one of them 55 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: to stay. Tina Mucklow who stayed with him to help 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: keep everything under control. He then orders the plane to 57 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: take off again, headed for Mexico City, but he tells 58 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: them the flight path they have to take and the 59 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: minimum flight speed. He tells them to keep the cabin 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: depressurized and keep the rear door open with the staircase deployed, 61 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: all while in the air. Northwest's ground control objects due 62 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: to safety concerns, but Cooper says it can be done. 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Do it. Finally, they're back in the air and Cooper 64 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: orders Tina to head to the cockpit. She knows he's 65 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: about to jump, and she runs for the front of 66 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the plane. Then, even though the FBI military jets and 67 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: a helicopter are trailing the Boeing seven twenty seven, Cooper, 68 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: somewhere over the dense forests of southwestern Washington, lowers the 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: rear stairs used to get off the plane and leaps 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: down into the stormy, dark sky, vanishing with the ransom, 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: never to be seen again. Despite a frenzy of searches, 72 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: both on the ground and also for those trying to 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: unravel Cooper's identity, but it's not over. A couple of 74 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: new developments within the past year or so are really 75 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: narrowing the search. In one case, a microscopic metal fragment 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: recently was discovered on the clip on tie that dB 77 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: Cooper bought for a buck forty nine at JC Penny 78 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: and then left on board the plane. Researcher and private 79 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: eye Eric Eulis says, I wouldn't be surprised at all 80 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: if twenty twenty four is the year we figure out 81 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 1: who this guy was? Now, why would a tiny piece 82 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: of metal help figure out who dB Cooper is? Well? 83 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: The particle, amazingly, one of one hundred thousand particles lifted 84 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: from that little tie, apparently can be traced to Crucible Steel, 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: a metal fabrication shop near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In those days, 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: that company supplied most of the titanium and stainless steel 87 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: for Boeing aircraft, and workers at that plant frequently visited 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Boeing headquarters in the Seattle area. On top of that, 89 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: investigators say dB Cooper had in depth knowledge of the 90 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Boeing seven twenty seven, so is it possible he worked 91 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: there and on that project? Well Ulis says he thinks 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: all roads lead to research engineer Vince Peterson from Pittsburgh 93 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: says ulis. I can put him in Seattle at that time, 94 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: I can put him at Boeing. He's a compelling person 95 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: of interest. He's definitely somebody I'm going to continue to 96 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: dig into. Now. The problem is Peterson died back in 97 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, so there's certainly no confession coming there. 98 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: But here's the most likely new story. There's a man 99 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: who says he knows who D. B. Cooper really is 100 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: because he's got a confession from none other than his 101 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: own mother. Now, Richard McCoy the third isn't claiming his 102 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: mom was the skyjacker. He truly believes the mystery man 103 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: is his dad. Richard McCoy junior of Vietnam VET and 104 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: seasoned skydiver, Rick says his mother, Karen, was his dad's accomplice. 105 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: Near the end of her life, she finally told her 106 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: kids that not only was their dad D. B. Cooper, 107 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: but she admitted that she helped orchestrate not just the 108 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: most baffling skyjacking in history, but that she also helped 109 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: plan another of her husband's heists. The second one was 110 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: most definitely carried out by her husband, and in the 111 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: same fashion. Four parachutes, a five hundred thousand dollars ransom 112 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: this time and a bomb threat. He too parachuted out 113 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: of the rear of the jet and survived. But unlike 114 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: the D. B. Cooper case, Richard McCoy's skyjacking just over 115 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: four months later April seventh, nineteen seventy two, led to 116 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: his capture within three days. Photos of McCoy, by the way, 117 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: eerily match the suspect drawings of D. B. Cooper done 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: from descriptions of him by flight crew on the first 119 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: hijacked plane. So after his arrest, Richard was sentenced to 120 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: forty five years in prison, but he escaped after two years, 121 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: and just three months after that he was killed in 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy four shootout with cops in Virginia. Now, 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: his son has even provided DNA to the FBI in 124 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: hopes of finally resolving the mystery of D. B. Cooper's identity, 125 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: but he waited to share his parents' story until his 126 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: mother died just a few years ago. In addition, he's 127 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: given them a parachute that he found in a barn 128 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: on his grandmother's property that he thinks may be one 129 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: of the extra parachutes his father jumped with will we 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: ever know for sure who dB Cooper is or was? 131 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: Two hundred grands a lot of money, But the question 132 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: is what influences somebody to risk their life for that? 133 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: And if it's all about the thrill, what do you 134 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: do next? Hope you're enjoying the backstory. 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