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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie. I don't welcome to Stephane. Never

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Speaker 1: told you protection of I Heart Radio. Um And as promise,

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Speaker 1: here's our part two of our two part episode on

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Speaker 1: Leah Thomas's recently published book, The Intersectional Environmentalist. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't checked it out our part one on it, go

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Speaker 1: do so. And also if you haven't checked out the book,

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Speaker 1: go do so because it's it's really really excellently written.

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Speaker 1: It's so important and it's such a good look at

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Speaker 1: why the issues of the environment have to be intersection

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Speaker 1: where we have to look at them through an intersectional lens.

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Speaker 1: So it's just can't recommend it enough. Um. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is as we were publishing this, this is Earth Day,

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Speaker 1: Earth months perhaps and you might notice at Savantha sounds

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Speaker 1: and thendate me with all of the particles of the

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Speaker 1: earth as happens in Atlanta, Georgia. Um, and yes, everything

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Speaker 1: is watering m out of my face. You're welcome. It's

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Speaker 1: a fun description, the best way I could do it.

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Speaker 1: And it's not COVID. I have taken three tests and

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Speaker 1: they've all said no, so either its longing to me,

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Speaker 1: which I don't can't happen, but I do have my

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Speaker 1: disk of taste and smell still, as well as the

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Speaker 1: fact that I don't really have a sore throat. So

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Speaker 1: I guess that's that's good news. I think it's I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: I would say Paul's under the category of good news. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but it's definitely a high allergy city. Uh, Atlanta. Everything

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Speaker 1: I forget about it every spring and then I go

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Speaker 1: outside and slap you in the face, right but literally

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Speaker 1: So with that being said, let's jump right in. But again,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to part one, we suggest you

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Speaker 1: do that first because we covered a lot of the

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Speaker 1: foundation from the book in that one. For this one,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start with environmental justice. That theme. Here's

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Speaker 1: a quote. What's often left out of environmental history and

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Speaker 1: present at the first Earth Day. Our arn't is often

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Speaker 1: seen summiting mountains in a national park. Black, indigenous and

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Speaker 1: other communities of color are a part of environmental history

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Speaker 1: and other very important ways, whether it's activism for indigenous sovereignty,

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Speaker 1: rich history of bipoc environmental advocacy and a centuries long

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Speaker 1: legacy of fighting for justice. The US Environmental Protection Agency

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Speaker 1: defines environmental justice as quote the fair treatment and meaningful

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Speaker 1: involvement of all people, regardless of race, color, national origin,

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Speaker 1: of environmental laws, regulations, and policies. The term environmental justice

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Speaker 1: began to emerge in the nineteen eighties after both the

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Speaker 1: a movement of its own. We can turn to the

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Speaker 1: mother and father of environmental justice to get started, Hazel M.

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Dr Robert Bullard. Hazel M. Johnson was a

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Speaker 1: After her husband passed away from lung cancer at the

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Speaker 1: ask herself why would All Killed Gardens, a community initially

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Speaker 1: So that's a really long quote, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: to the tons of our voices can influence how we're

430
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: perceived by others and ultimately how they might treat us.

431
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: These personal perceptions can lead to an accumulation of assumptions

432
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: that become societal perceptions or biases that can be positive, neutral,

433
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: or negative. Privilege is a set of unearned advantages positive

434
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: Again that this is just such a huge important piece

435
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: of like all conversations, but in this one, and when

436
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: it comes to environmentalism, as we've just been talking about

437
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: this whole time. It's you have to acknowledge it. It

438
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: is so important, right, um. And also where you can

439
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: do these things. So we talked about activism what after uh,

440
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: the largest typhoon that happened, and the people who are

441
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: trying to really talk about, hey, this is killing our community.

442
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Not only is it killing our way we're living, but

443
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: our way of life. Like fishermen who are trying to

444
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: make a living, they're dying because they're getting capsized and drowning,

445
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: like all of these things. And these are conversations about

446
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: the way things are built, the types of constructions that

447
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: are happening, all of these things, and people were being

448
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: murdered for just saying it, um. And that's what the

449
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: biggest thing is like for the upper class white citizens,

450
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: that is not as huge a threat as those indigenous

451
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: in our communities who have disappeared. They have disappeared in

452
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: their activism and it is still happening. There are conversations

453
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: and questions where we're like, wait, we also know that

454
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: a lot of indigenous activists have been actually arrested h

455
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: and are still locked up, and there's conversations about that.

456
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: So that is a privilege being able to protest without

457
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: being marked as in being endangered for your protests is

458
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: a huge privilege, and we see that more often than

459
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: not that when they are in these marginalized communities, they

460
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: are targeted in a dangerous and violent way. And that's

461
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: a big part of that privilege. Let's keep talking about it,

462
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: because she talks about it, and we need more conversations

463
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: on it. So Leah says, social constructs are beliefs that

464
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: members of society hold an assigned meaning and value to.

465
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: For example, a common argument is that race is a

466
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: social construct. That doesn't mean that there aren't different ethnicities

467
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: of people, but that assigning value and meaning to a

468
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: different racial group in a society is a social construct.

469
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: When people use racism as a justification for the mistreatment

470
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: of other people, they are playing off a social construct

471
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: that race inherently makes humans different from one another. When

472
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: there's no factual or scientific basis for this. Stereotypes are

473
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: born out of social constructs. Feel like, that's pretty pretty

474
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: self explanatory, which, by the way, has been weaponized against people,

475
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: which is what we know the white sis heteronormative community

476
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: are using. Saying, you're you're creating this, not us, which

477
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: is a different conversation we're not going to get into,

478
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: but you know, being aware of that as well. And

479
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: she continues on, when we hold the belief that anyone

480
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: can succeed if they just set their mind to it,

481
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: we also give credits to the flip side of that

482
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: myth that those who don't succeed aren't quote trying hard enough. Uh.

483
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: This places the blame solely on the individuals and need

484
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: rather than on the system of power supporting the barriers

485
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: and disadvantages that oppressed them no matter how hard they

486
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: work or try. And that's the big like. She does

487
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: such a great job in breaking that down about what

488
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: that looks like. Um, that bootstrapping theory should have been

489
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: dismissed so long ago. Maybe it could have worked for

490
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: one point in time for the lower middle class, lower

491
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: class white people that worked but that still had a

492
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: system of favor. Whether it's someone like them that pulled

493
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: them up, whether it was a family member that eventually

494
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: like their networking is a whole different conversation. Um. As

495
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: well as that word oppressed or oppression, someone has to

496
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: be the one that gains from that, and it's typically

497
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: always those in power, right and I just but I

498
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: think this point is so so important because it's been

499
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: part of our national is those for so long, that idea,

500
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: and now it's kind of been repackaged until like you

501
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: gotta hustle, you gotta do that hustle out of your

502
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: side hustle. But there are these systems in place, like

503
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: you can work as hard, I mean, you can have

504
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: like three part time jobs and not barely make a living,

505
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: like you're working so hard. But they're all of these things,

506
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: all these obstacles and systems that are preventing you from

507
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: living a half the happy, healthy life right where you

508
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: can yeah, where you do have room to grow our

509
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: uh give whatever job you want or whatever life that

510
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: you want. Um yeah, it's not just like, oh, you

511
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: didn't work hard enough for so ready to turn it

512
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: around and blame it on people who are working so

513
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: hard and like running their bodies into the ground, right,

514
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: And the level of that is that example of having

515
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: a full time job too, part time jobs, those things,

516
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: which I was one of those people. Um, and don't

517
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I definitely was faring better than most.

518
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is I was privileged

519
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: enough to know people to put me in positions to

520
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: get those extra jobs, um to make that work for myself.

521
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: But on top of that, I did barely get enough

522
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: to live on my own. This did not push me

523
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: to be so rich. It literally was Wow, I can

524
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: actually afford to go and be with my friends today

525
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about whether or not this

526
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: car is going to go through, which I've had manion times,

527
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: like to be declined and having that panic attack about

528
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: being behind. And the way I'm saying this is obviously

529
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: very privileged because I was single and did not have

530
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: children to worry for that I didn't have go to

531
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: a grocery store and hoping that I would it would

532
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: clear to buy soup for my family, and or not

533
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: seeing my family or trying to figure out how to

534
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: decide whether we're gonna have food or daycare so I

535
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: can go to these set jobs. There's so many things

536
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to this that's a whole different level of conversation. UM.

537
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: And for those I know, many of those who are

538
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: affected by this type of environmental injustices don't have time

539
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: to advocate for themselves because they're working and just trying

540
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: to survive that way in order to get those foods

541
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: so they can't be activists for themselves. So there's just

542
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: a whole line of conversation about who was able to

543
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: be activists. And that's why we see probably a larger

544
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: number of very privileged white people being able to do

545
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: this because they have the time and they have extra

546
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: income that they can take time off to do. So. Yeah,

547
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: and that's part of like the the cycle we need

548
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: to break out of with this because again like going

549
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: back to the point of never seeing anyone like her

550
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: at these things. But yeah, it's just all it's all connected.

551
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Here's another quote going back to the earlier statistic of

552
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: lower funding and BIPAC schools versus primarily white schools. This

553
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: funding gap also exists in community resources like parks, community gardens,

554
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: and green spaces, meaning that access to these resources also

555
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: varies along racial lines. Systemic housing discrimination practices like redlining

556
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: the refusal to ensure mortgages in and near black neighborhoods

557
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: have added to the climate burden by silo and communities

558
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: of color in areas that are more likely to be

559
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: plagued by environmental injustice. Black and Latin X people in

560
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: the US experience in quote air pollution burden, in which

561
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: they are exposed to fifty six per cent and more

562
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: pollution than is caused by their consumption, and which is

563
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: linked to higher rates of cardiovascular and respiratory issues. The

564
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: opposite is true for white Americans who experience a pollution advantage,

565
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: which they breathe in less air pollution than they cause.

566
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: So that's also yeah, key part of this too is

567
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: that you know who's causing the most damage and who's

568
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: the most impactful. Right, Well, that's the other part of

569
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: this because I think about the Clean Air Act um

570
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: and one of the things that came out of the

571
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Clean Air Act was things like emission testing. Great idea,

572
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: but as someone who was earning a year UM trying

573
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: to live in Atlanta, which the cost of living is

574
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: significantly higher, that has an emissions test that you have

575
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: to do and if you do not pass it, you

576
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: cannot get attack for your car and you're penalized beyond whatever.

577
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: At one point in time, my catalytic converter went out.

578
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: All of these things are so bad for the environment.

579
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I get air quality, everybody should do their part, but

580
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't have hundred dollars to fix my car. But

581
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: I have to have a car to go to my job,

582
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: what do I do? There's so many things about who

583
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: is really punishing more so than anyone else. And if

584
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: you have a brand new car, you're fine. You're fine

585
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: for the first two or three years. Who gets brand

586
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: new cars not those who can't afford it obviously, So

587
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: there's just so many conversation about who are they actually

588
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: making money off of and who is it actually going after? Um.

589
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: And those are big conversations that we need to have

590
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: about providing services, and then also talking about public transportation

591
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: not being accessible to many of people or being really

592
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: dangerous because people are not really checking in on the

593
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: safety and the real concerns for those who are using

594
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: public transport and who has accessibility to it. Um. There's

595
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: so many conversations to this, and then when we look

596
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: at it, when you break it down, yes, we want

597
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: to definitely stop with the cars. Let's get more probably transit.

598
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: But people are so opposed to it because they're like

599
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: it's going to bring in those urban people, which is

600
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: very coded language and when we know exactly what they mean, um,

601
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: and so therefore it cuts access. But then we have

602
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: more admissions and the corporations are not even turning an

603
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: eye when one giant building, one corporation gives so much more,

604
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: kills off so much more of the quality of air

605
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: and causing more problems and pollutions which are most likely

606
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: going to be in areas that are again, uh lower

607
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: socioeconomic living areas, because people are like, oh, we don't

608
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: want to live by this, No one does, but I

609
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: can't afford to not live there, so who has There's

610
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: so many conversations to this that is completely layered about privilege. Um,

611
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, I really the Clean Air Act good intentions

612
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: for those who can afford it. Yeah, I mean it,

613
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: say another example of like clearly didn't ask the people

614
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: who would be impacted the most. And as as we said,

615
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: we are going to talk some more about some of

616
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: the things that fall under that as well. Yes, um

617
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: and yeah. Going on. In addition to environmental injustices, living

618
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: sustainably can be a matter of privilege. Single use items

619
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: are more expensive, and plastics is found at a higher

620
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: rates in communities of color. Living on a plant based

621
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: diet and eating regenerative and organically grown products is nearly

622
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: impossible in a state of food apartheid, in which communities

623
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: of color are more likely to be found so when

624
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: educating others about sustainability, made sure to think about intersectionality

625
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: and privilege. First, refrain from the shaming those who are

626
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: faced with systemic barriers to living low waist and sustainably.

627
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: Um and we had a giant example of that, I

628
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: think we we did an ad read about paper plates,

629
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: and we got a couple of emails like, hey, how

630
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: dare you? This is awful for the world and whatever whatnot.

631
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: And my first response was, I get what you're saying.

632
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: But for a lot of those who are working constant jobs,

633
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: have three or four children, have constant usage, and this

634
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: is not as accessible as you think it is. This

635
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: is a cheap alternative for people trying to save time

636
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: and trying to have their kids be a part of

637
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: the family. So when a single mom or a single

638
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: father or a single parent caregiver is there, they're working

639
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: two jobs and they have a twelve year old sitting

640
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: in for a couple of hours feeding each other, it's

641
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: not as easy as you think. Um And I say

642
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: this as I would grow up UH in an area

643
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: once again where we didn't have recyclables, and sure we

644
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: wanted to UH use replace and such, but when you

645
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Speaker 1: have four kids, trying to do all those dishes, caring

646
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Speaker 1: for yourselves, trying to care for others. It's a little

647
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: harder than you think. Um, And don't get me wrong,

648
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: do I use paper place? No? But am I privileged

649
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Speaker 1: enough to have just me, myself and I as part

650
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: of the thing. Yes, you may think it's not that hard,

651
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: but it does build up on time. And there's this

652
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: level of shaming that we really need to get away

653
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: from because that doesn't do what you think it does. No,

654
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: And I think that this is such a good reminder

655
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: of again, like nothing is that clear cut, right, Nothing

656
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: in life is that clear cut. There's always something to consider,

657
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: and especially around accessibility, because I've seen similar arguments around

658
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: it's sort of different but related, but around like pre

659
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: cut food and people be like the Wells people so lazy.

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00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Not everybody, I guess, you know, if some people can't

661
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: cut up like time wise and maybe they have a

662
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: disability or something, you should just make sure. Let's let's

663
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: let's stop. And that's the whole conversation about for those

664
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: who can't afford it, that's wonderful. Let's not have shame food,

665
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: shame people. It just got into the last five years

666
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Speaker 1: when people are all like, oh, food stamps are for

667
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: those who really are trying to feed everyone on a budget.

668
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: And I've already explained this a couple of times. To

669
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: qualify for a food stamp, it's pretty difficult, and to

670
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: lose it is really easy. Like I had to sit

671
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: and sit with my clients to try to fill these out,

672
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell are these forms? And

673
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: how quickly you can lose It is so easy. It's

674
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: so easy to lose. But all of that to say,

675
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: it just got to the point that it's like, oh,

676
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: they don't want just milk and cheese and bread. You

677
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: can't like just you can have fruit, but it costs

678
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: so much that it's not cost efficient. And then people

679
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: shaming people for buying something that's not on the list

680
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: and having a food stamp. That's such an odd state

681
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: as to have to have against people who have food

682
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: stamps allowed them to have a treat having ice cream.

683
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you were on food stamps? What? Like?

684
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: There's so many levels, And to the fact that finally,

685
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: I think in the last five years, community gardens, farmers,

686
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: marketers have been like, oh, it would be nice to

687
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: be accessible for these fresh fruits and good foods and

688
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: actually giving like double the value. Yes, please, let's let's

689
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: let's do that. That's called carrying and actually doing some

690
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: type of activism right and and we won't get into

691
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: this now, but that's also related to the fat shaming

692
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: we see of oh, well they eat at McDonald's all

693
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: the time or whatever it is. But that again a

694
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: lot of times and affordability like what can I afford

695
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: to our time thing, especially if you're working like three jobs. Um,

696
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: and then we have the health crisis and we as

697
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: a country seemed to blame we're ready to blame all Amazon.

698
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: You should not do that all the time, could be

699
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Speaker 1: only what they could get their hands on or and

700
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: that's again I think we need to have a lot

701
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Speaker 1: more compassion because I know there's a lot of foodie

702
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: bloggers parent bloggers have that have all these privilege who

703
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Speaker 1: do shame about food and saying don't feed us to

704
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Speaker 1: your kids. It's really really cute and easy and if

705
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: you're able to do that, fantastic go you. Um, no

706
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: shame to that, but this shouldn't be the narrative that

707
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: you've put a stance on you really need to calm

708
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: down and really think about who you're talking to and

709
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: why this kuld be really really damaging in so many ways.

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00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Thomas also does a great job. She goes

711
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Speaker 1: into the history of enslavement and disregarding the lives of

712
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: black people and how historically that's we're still seeing that

713
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: going on, and how that is involved in this conversation. Um.

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Speaker 1: Here's another quote. In a two thousand nine USC study

715
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Speaker 1: the Climate Gap, Inequalities and how Climate Change Hurts Americans

716
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: and how to close the gap, researchers found that quote,

717
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Speaker 1: African Americans, on average omit nearly less greenhouse gases than

718
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Speaker 1: non Hispanic whites for capita. Though less responsible for climate change,

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Speaker 1: African Americans are significantly more vulnerable to its effects than

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Speaker 1: non Hispanic whites. This is a recurring theme we'll see

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Speaker 1: throughout this chapter. Those who are at least responsible for

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00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: the climate crisis are often the most impacted and burdened

723
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: by it. So yes, again that um, and then there

724
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: is great numbers breakdown on how environmental injustices impact the Black,

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Speaker 1: Latin x A, a p I, and Indigenous communities, with

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00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: notes on people with disabilities and queer folks. There's international examples,

727
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: so like how the US was shipping waste to other

728
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: countries and how that impacted health, sea level rise and

729
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: how that packs certain countries like way more than other countries. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then as I mentioned, um, there is these everyday examples.

731
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Speaker 1: She goes over. So one being fast fashion, Um, the

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Speaker 1: waste involved, the human rights violations, the cost of entry,

733
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: accessibility for slow fashion. So again, like nothing is clear cut.

734
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Can't just say like this is good or bad, but

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00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: it has all of these pieces and we need to

736
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Speaker 1: talk about it. Another one is the green energy UM.

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Speaker 1: The lack of inclusion and decision making when it comes

738
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Speaker 1: to indigenous people causing harm. We're not done with an

739
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: intersectionality in mind. So yeah, again like that sounds great,

740
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: but we have to talk to the people it's going

741
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: to impact. We have to involve them in it, right,

742
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: because it can. She gives examples of when it's harmed communities. Right. Also,

743
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: let's just talk about the fact that it's not affordable.

744
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: Most of the time, these options are not affordable and

745
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: the company is doing this on purpose. We know this.

746
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, when it sounds like a great idea, I

747
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: don't want to do it, and in the end it

748
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: may save you money, but at the beginning most people

749
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: can't afford it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, but this is

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Speaker 1: sort of what I was mentioning earlier, that I feel

751
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: that a lot of people like to make themselves feel

752
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: better without doing the researchers. Oh, this looks good where

753
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: they're on a company level, because companies definitely do it too,

754
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: or on just our own personal levels. All right, So

755
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: she continues and writes, the global transition to green energy

756
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: should not come at the expense of the safety of

757
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: indigenous peoples. We urgently need to face out our reliance

758
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: on non renewable resources, and green tech should be highly

759
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: prioritized as a solution. However, within an intersectional approach to environmentalism,

760
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: we must acknowledge the dark side of green energy and

761
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: the harm that these initiatives have caused to marginalize communities.

762
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: We must also ensure that future projects take the protection

763
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: of all people into considerations. We don't have to choose

764
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: between justice for people and the planet. Social justice and

765
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: a green economy can and should coexist. Yes enough said, yes, yes, yes.

766
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: And then also another kind of daily example. She she

767
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: went over with veganism and plant based living, and she

768
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: goes up very like the huge environmental impact of eating

769
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: meat increase in veganism, but again like the lack of

770
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: representation when it comes to people of color. Right today,

771
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I had an amazing video pop up from an I

772
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Speaker 1: believe a Middle Eastern activist who was talking about the

773
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Speaker 1: fact that Western culture has kind of demonized vegan veganism

774
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: in a way that or sensationalized one of the two

775
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: is it's very it's according to who you talk to

776
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: about veganism, and using tofu as a primary example, about

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00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: the fact that tofu is a classic dish within Asian cultures.

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00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: I've seen it all throughout, whether it's a part of

779
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Korean food, uh, Korean Indian food, but it's just an

780
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: automatic part of it and it just happens to things

781
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: like especially Indian cuisine leans a little more to vegetari

782
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: in eating and the fact that it's just their lifestyle,

783
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: and how the Western culture has taking that in either

784
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: sensationalized that to a point that has become so expensive

785
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: and over the top, and or mocking it saying it's

786
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: a fruit fruit food. It's such an odd stance to

787
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: take that when I started thinking about It's like, yeah,

788
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: it really is. Had I been raised in Korea, it

789
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: would just been naturally part of all of my dishes

790
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: and I would have not thought about it. As in fact,

791
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: when I get these Korean dishes, I don't think about it.

792
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: I just like, oh, this is good. It's just a

793
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: part of this dish. And coming into the US cultural

794
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: ideas about this being like this is for oh, you're

795
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: a hippie or what are those things? Or or you're

796
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to do these things and it's seemingly exotic foods

797
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote, and that battle in itself and being like well,

798
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: eating tofu, eating no meat one day, it's not that

799
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: big of a deal. Why do we make it seem

800
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: like we have fallen into a cultural stance and or

801
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: political stance in doing so. It shouldn't be. Yeah, it's

802
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: definitely been highly politicized. And I think another great reminder

803
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: throughout um and then with this as well, is like

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00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of well off white people pretending like

805
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: there's no history, like they've discovered veganism, right, But there's

806
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: like you said, like cultures that this is long been

807
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: part of their history. People have been doing it forever, um,

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00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: So do your research right and again representation is really important, um.

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00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: And making sure that we understand, oh yeah, this is

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00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: a cultural part of this and it's okay, And to

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00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: give credit to where it came from exactly. Be also

812
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: understanding that everybody can do this. Again, for still is

813
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: fresh vegetables. For the most part, fresh fruit are expensive

814
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: and they quickly quickly die, quickly, go back. I'm gonna

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00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: have to learn a place you do, and that's privileged.

816
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: That's privileged to know that you can get all these things.

817
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: It was a privilege growing up. My parents would bring

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00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: me fruit, but it had to be on sale, um,

819
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: and I loved it, but also sparsing it out so

820
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: I didn't just eat it all, but then also didn't

821
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: wait too long. Such a thing. But for all these things,

822
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: it is a privilege and we have to understand that.

823
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: And this is why I can goods and all that

824
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: came into play, and why we need to talk about

825
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: once again affordability. But ahead, yes, yes, well this brings

826
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Speaker 1: us to our concluding quote. UM, So think about your

827
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: special skills and apply them to the movements you care about.

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Speaker 1: Even though I'm anxious and don't always feel comfortable holding

829
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: a megaphone. I have found that writing and digital media

830
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: are ways for me to contribute my unique skills to environmentalism.

831
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: Your activism may not look like mine or like the

832
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: next persons, but all of our strengths are pieces of

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00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: the puzzle. A mentor of mine once said, even the

834
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: revolution needs accountants. This made me laugh, but it's true.

835
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: We can each contribute our skills in some way. So

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Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this. I hope you understand how

837
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: powerful you are. Please do share and amplify the messages

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00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: you believe the world needs to hear. Take a leap

839
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: of faith and attend to local protests if you can

840
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: raise your hand to introduce an intersectional perspective where it

841
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: needs to be heard. Stand up for what's right, and

842
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: don't back down even when it's difficult, even when you

843
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: might feel alone, because trust me, we're out there. There

844
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: are generations of intersexual environmentalists in the field and a

845
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: community that's ready to embrace you with support. Together, we

846
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: can transform the future of environmentalism, and with collective action,

847
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: spread our message across the globe and change enough hearts

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00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: and minds to positively alter the future. The future is

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Speaker 1: intersectional point blank. Yes, yes, um, I love that. That

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00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: was the kind of inspiring message she ends this book with.

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00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: And then as we said, there's all these really helpful resources,

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00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: so I just we can't recommend it enough. It is

853
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: really really great, really quick read. It's informative. It has those,

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00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: like we said, kind of like questions to ask yourself

855
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: and think about, and action items which I love, um

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Speaker 1: to get involved in and responsible, intersectional, respectful way. Yes. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this is why we also wanted to put this

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Speaker 1: in our book club because it is a really good

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Speaker 1: do discussions as she has all of the added addendums

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Speaker 1: to it. Um. She brings in so many activists that

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Speaker 1: she knows into the book, bringing quotes in little interviews

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Speaker 1: and tells you where to follow them. I followed a few,

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Speaker 1: at that. Loving it. She has an amazing amount of resources.

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Speaker 1: She does a great job in tapping in on the

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the indigenous community who have been at the forefront

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Speaker 1: of this conversation because it is so directly impacted them

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Speaker 1: and continues to harm them today, which we need to

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Speaker 1: keep talking about forever out always, And she does an

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Speaker 1: amazing job and making it seem attainable, like these goals

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Speaker 1: are attainable. Yeah, it's it's fantastic. Um, go check it

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Speaker 1: out if you haven't already. In the meantime, as always,

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Speaker 1: if you have a book you would like to suggest,

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Speaker 1: we would love to hear it. You can email us

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Speaker 1: It's always to have super producer Christina. Thank you and

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