1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: by searching apps car. 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Another weekend of NFL preseason football is upon us, and 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: you're gonna make mistakes. Why because you're gonna put value 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: into it. And this is your annual reminder that no 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: matter how starved you are for football, no matter how 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: desperate you are to see your favorite team, no matter 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: how much you want to turn what you see this 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: weekend into something big, the fact is none of it matters. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 2: And I don't fault you for watching it. I'll watch it, 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: We'll watch it. We're all fans. But we're better if 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: we just acknowledge before we even get into the weekend 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: that none of it means anything. He's Buck Rising on 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Jason fitz hanging out with the Buck. 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't. 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: I'm not a nihilist. Hell, I'm not smart enough to 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: really know what a nihilist is. I had to look 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: it up when somebody called me a nihilist, so like 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: I get it. Like I'm not a nothing matters person. 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm genuinely not. I'm a logic person. So for me, 25 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: I like everything to stack together. And it's fine. I'm 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: one of those people that if you want to sit 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: down and explain to me the why and how, I 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: desperately want to listen to it. But also if you 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: want to tell me nothing and just tell me I 30 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: have to deal with it, that's okay too. I don't 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: need to try and like make a big deal out 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: of absolutely anything, which is why it's funny that I 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: do this for a limmings sometimes, because everything's a big deal. 34 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: I just am so to me, it's so clear the 35 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: preseason football is completely and totally meaningless in every possible way. 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: There is no takeaway that matters in preseason football at 37 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: all other than health. Health I'll buy all day long, 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: every other ounce of it. If somebody's great, well it's 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: because they were playing a vanilla defense against the vanilla 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: office and they weren't asked to do anything. If somebody's terrible, 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: it's because, well, they were playing, you know, to try 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: try and take chances. Quarterbacks gotta take chances in preseason 43 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: and practice, so none of it matters. Like we get 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: a small glimpse this weekend into the second weekend of 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: pro football for the preseason, and all I keep thinking 46 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: is why, Like I guess I'm at that spot now 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: where I would just rather we only watch backups and 48 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: no single like no starters play, and it's all just 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: a bunch of you know, it's practice squad guys. Try now, 50 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: because we're desperate for football, we want to watch it. 51 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: I want to watch the Raiders play the forty nine 52 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: ers this weekend. But if they win sixty to nothing 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: or they lose sixty to nothing, it won't mean a 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 2: damn thing for Week one. 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: Well, I disagree. It depends on what context that you're 56 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: looking for here, because I so from your perspective, you 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: are viewing it on television as a football fan, and 58 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 3: as a football fan, you will try. Not you specifically, 59 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: but anybody who just is watching as a casual fan 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: is just desperate for a ball. God help you degenerates 61 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: that are actually betting on this stuff, and I know 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 3: plenty of you are sick. I mean, it's just it's 63 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: absolutely it's a disease that you have if you're betting 64 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 3: on preseason football, though I respect it. It is uh. 65 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: It has great meaning though for the people on the 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: rosters trying to make it. It has great meaning for 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: the success or failure of a season if you're looking 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: down a depth chart. And for example, so I cover 69 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: a team for a living, like that's that's my day job. 70 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: I cover the Tennessee Titans for people that don't know us, 71 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: or or being introduced to us, or may have heard 72 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: us in passing or whatever. Like we don't just talk 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: on the radio for a living. Like I cover a team, 74 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: I go to practice. I'm here in Atlanta covering joint 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: training camp practices with the Tennessee Titans and the Atlanta Falcons, 76 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: and I will see a preseason game tomorrow that I 77 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: will have to extract meaning from, not because I have to, 78 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: but because there is meaning to be extract from it. Fitzy, 79 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: It's like Tidies have a second round pass rusher that 80 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: you've probably never heard of unless you're a die hard 81 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: Pack twelve guy or I guess technically a Big ten 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: guy because U see La is now in the Big ten. 83 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: Femi Olodeesa second round pick off ball linebacker that they're 84 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: converting to edge guys played like nine games as a 85 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: pass rusher, and they drafted him in the second round 86 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: off traits and tools. Okay, I'm watching a guy get 87 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: stonewalled by the Falcons backup tackle and trying to figure out, 88 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: all right, did they make a mistake in the second round? 89 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: What is the logic here behind drafting this player where 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: they did, knowing that it was going to be a 91 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: project on a staff, by the way, that finished three 92 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: and fourteen last year and will be fired because their 93 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: ownership can't be trusted to allow things to play out, 94 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: even though they continue to preach as a front office 95 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: patients over panic and all these different things. So I 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: have to sit there and talk to and get to 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: sit there and talk to football people about all right, 98 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: what should I be looking for in a preseason game 99 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: from this player? What kind of situations are you trying 100 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: to put him in? What is he struggling with right now? 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: Why is he defaulting to his traits rather than applying 102 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: the technique that I see him practicing all week in practice. 103 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: But all of a sudden he just loses it when 104 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: he gets in the preseason game and he tries to 105 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: win based on tools as opposed to skill like, the 106 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: development of these players matters a great deal to the 107 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: long term, long term success as you're building up a franchise. 108 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: Titans couldn't be more of a rebuild than they are 109 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: right now. There's plenty of organizations. I mean, you're Raiders. 110 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: I know the Raiders are doing it a bit differently 111 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: with a thirty five or thirty four year old quarterback 112 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: and a seventy three year old head coach, But there 113 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 3: are things here that will give them success or cause 114 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: them to not achieve their success based on what you're 115 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: seeing the lessons that they are trying to apply as 116 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: football people on their football team. Now, if you don't 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: care about that crap and you just want to know 118 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: why the you know, why the Chiefs didn't cover the 119 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: spread in Week five or something like that, that's not 120 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: going to matter to you. But if you're actually trying 121 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: to learn about the things that these football coaches and 122 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: front office people and scouts are trying to evaluate in 123 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: real time, then there is great value. But it's granular. 124 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: It's very very granular, and I don't know how many 125 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: people actually care about the granular as opposed to just 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: give me football. Why are you telling me these things 127 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: don't matter? Why won't this quarterback stop throwing interceptions? 128 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: I think there's an in between line on that somewhere. 129 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: I just looked it up. Max Crosby didn't get his 130 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: first sack in the NFL until his fifth game. 131 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: Five games. 132 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: Crazy, I mean, so when you think about it, I 133 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: just these are the moments that I yell and scream. 134 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: I hear you, right, I understand that we all do. 135 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: Every fan. I'm talking here as a voice of the fan. 136 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: I think one thing that I've always looked at from 137 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: my microphone is I got to where I am because 138 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: of my fandom, and it's something that I was able 139 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: to turn into a career. So I love speaking to 140 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: the fans. And I understand that we all have a 141 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: player or two that we fall in love with during 142 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: training camp that we just whether it's because we play 143 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: the video game and like that is our guy. There's 144 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: a period in my life where I decided that Marquez 145 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: U was gonna be the future quarterback of my beloved Raiders, 146 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: and I was convinced. I was convinced. So every time 147 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: there was a preseason game, it's like, I gotta see 148 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: what two he does, because this one's gonna be Tuiasa 149 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: Sopo's gonna be the man. This is what we all do. 150 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: You're right, there are granular things that you can learn, 151 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: and certainly when you see overarching problems, sometimes it can 152 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: be a little bit of an eyebrow raiser. But the 153 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: first month of the NFL season is so wild. Like 154 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: I do like to bet on football games, I no 155 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: longer bet on the NFL in the first two weeks 156 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: of the season at all. There is not a bet 157 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: I will place the first two weekends of the season. 158 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: Why because I've decided over the last couple of years. 159 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: Then all you're doing is throwing good money at bad 160 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: because most of these teams don't actually play their starters 161 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: much in the in the course of the preseason. All 162 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: of a sudden, they don't really have anything that's out 163 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: there for you. Everything's gonna look rusty, it's gonna look 164 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: disjointed the first couple of weeks. Like guess what this is. 165 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: This is terrible analysis for most of you, but I 166 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: think it's the most honest thing you'll ever hear about 167 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: the beginning of the NFL team season. Your team might 168 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: win a couple of games in the beginning of the year, 169 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: or lose a couple of games in the beginning of 170 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: the year that they shouldn't because they just weren't ready 171 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: to start the season. Like everything is so chaotic at 172 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year that to me, I don't 173 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: think you really have a set s. They always say 174 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: in baseball, you don't really know who your team is 175 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: going to be until you hit the beginning of June. 176 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: I think in modern NFL games, even though there's only 177 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: seventeen of them over eighteen weeks, I think it takes 178 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: the first four weeks of the season to figure out 179 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: where you are. So I genuinely truly put no weight. 180 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: Now you're in practice every day, so I do think 181 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 2: there is waight to hey, in practice, I saw this, 182 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: you know. I'll go back to my Phantom of the Raiders. 183 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: There is an offensive line battle going on right now 184 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: between Meredith and JPJ that nobody expected was going to happen, 185 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: and so all of a sudden that does become interesting. 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: How it looks in a preseason game is going to 187 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: be over evaluated. But for most of us that are 188 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: just watching the preseason game, I don't think again to 189 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: go back to what we talked about with Shaduur versus 190 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel. I don't think we have enough context, like 191 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: you have context on the Titans and on the Falcons. 192 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: You're seeing them both in practice this week, and what 193 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: you see on tomorrow's preseason game or Saturday tomorrow's preseason game, 194 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: that that's going to be a translation of what you 195 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: saw in joint practices. That is valuable. And that's why, honestly, 196 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: people that care about the Titans should listen to you 197 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: when you talk about it, because you can offer your 198 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: insights on that. I think there's tremendous power of that. 199 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 2: I don't think that there's tremendous anything in watching the 200 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: number of times I have seen a wide receiver none 201 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: of us has ever heard of that's listed at five 202 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: to ten, that's really five to seven. Have the led 203 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: the preseason in yardage and catches, and then he gets 204 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: inevitably cut in the last cut, and the fan base 205 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: loses their damn mind, apoplectic. How could you cut that guy? 206 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't even remember who that guy 207 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: is three years but that's what the preseason is. 208 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: I've got one here. Xavier Ristreppo cam Ward's buddy right 209 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: he led. He broke the program franchise receptions record in 210 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: a game that I, in fact watched rewatched last night 211 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: because it just happened to be on ESPA and you 212 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: Louisville at Miami. Xavier Restreppo broke Michael Irvin's receptions record 213 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: at Miami, which is crazy. Guy is practiced quite the best. 214 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: But fan bases will attach themselves to these things because 215 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: it's more fun and easier, and it does nothing wrong 216 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 3: with it in attaching yourself to those storylines and creating 217 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 3: whatever narratives you want to create about whatever you think 218 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: should be done with your respective football team in this 219 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: in this case specific to football in the preseason, versus 220 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: what actually is going on with the talent evaluators and 221 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: the coaches who see them every day and in the 222 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: meeting rooms, which is additional context that we don't have 223 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: that matters a great deal in terms of can they 224 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: learn the playbook? Are they retaining all these things? Are 225 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: they retaining these things, but can they actually implement them 226 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: in practice or game type situations? All this kind of 227 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: stuff that is far less interesting to talk about than 228 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: should the Brown start shudor Sanders week one, you know, 229 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: and that's like, there's a place for that too. I 230 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: don't want to be dismissive of fan that approach by 231 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,479 Speaker 3: certain segments of fan bases, because that is also fair dialogue. 232 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: Like you should be able to have a half baked 233 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: opinion and argue about it with your buddies if that's 234 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: what you want to do for fun. I'm not here 235 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: to deprive you of that. I'm just here to offer 236 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: you more context if you would like it. If you 237 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: would like more context, I am here to help you. 238 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: If you are not interested in more context, that's fine. 239 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: I'll probably yell at you on the radio about it. 240 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: But you know, ebbs and flows with all these things. 241 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: The other part of this is before you make whatever 242 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: points you're going to make, and I'm sure it's an 243 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: important one. I think there should be a preseason MVP. 244 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 3: I think that we should give these guys their moment 245 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: in the sun. I think that that would make the 246 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: dialogue even dumber. I think that people would assign great 247 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: value to the preseason MVP. Look at me, he's disgusted. 248 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: You could if we were on the Doug Gottlieb YouTube 249 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: channel today, which you can subscribe to wherever you are 250 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: consuming Doug Gottlieb shows. But I want a preseason MVP 251 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: at least just to keep fans interested for a longer 252 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 3: period of time other than checking out halfway through the 253 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: second quarter. 254 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: Look, that is the worst idea you've ever had, Almost 255 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: as bad as the n C whatever, the n season 256 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: tournament that the Lakers won once and then they actually 257 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: discussed whether or not they were gonna put that trophy 258 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: up like I mean, I mean, no, no, no, But 259 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the level of stupid you're proposing. Okay, 260 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: all that to say, I'm so floored by the stupidity 261 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: of that. I will just say this when we come back. 262 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: There is one team for all the preseason conversation we 263 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: shouldn't have. There's one team that we are having the 264 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: wrong preseason conversation about the most overrated team in the 265 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: NFL preseason, and it is clear. We'll tell you who 266 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: it is next these Buck Rising on Jason Fitz. We're 267 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: in on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 268 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast. 269 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to 270 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 271 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: your local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox 272 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 273 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching as are. 274 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: I find myself eating a portion controlled number of frozen 275 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: grapes at the end of the night, and I feel 276 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: so fancy because my whole life growing up is like, oh, 277 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: the concept of frozen grapes, but also they're really delicious. 278 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: So where are you, as the elitist on frozen grapes 279 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: as a sweet treat. 280 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: It sounds like something you would give a toddler that's 281 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: that does that does not sound like that? To shut 282 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: up a screaming baby up. You'd be like, all right, 283 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: I'll give him some frozen grapes. Maybe he's teething. 284 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: Royalty back in the day got like like the women 285 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: would feed the royalty the frozen grapes while they fen 286 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: them with the big banana. 287 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: Lisa, no, no, no, no no. When you tell me 288 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: frozen grapes, I think something that come in a wholesale 289 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: bag that you're just pulling out of pulling out of 290 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 3: the fraezer at night and shoveling a couple in your 291 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: face and then calling it today, we'lcome back here on 292 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: Box Sports Radio. He's Jason fitz on Buck Rising, hanging 293 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: out here with you on the Doug Gottlieb Show, filling 294 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,359 Speaker 3: in for the day fits. He's looking at me terrified 295 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: because it seems he is disconnected, but he will be 296 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: back with us shortly. The thing that he teased before 297 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: we went to break is the most overrated team in 298 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: the NFL in the preseason, or at least in the 299 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: preseason discussion. And the genesis of this is because there 300 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: are videos circulating on the internet of Patriots and Vikings 301 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: joint training camp practices, and something that occurred today, as 302 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: is typically the case in joint training camp practices, a 303 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: fight broke out. Now, I'm here in Atlanta covering the 304 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons and the Tennessee Titans. While I'm here covering 305 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: the Tennessee Titans, but the Tennessee Titans just happened to 306 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: have a preseason game against the Falcons that there were 307 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: two days of joint training camp practices. And guess what 308 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: there were fights, Nothing of great consequence, nothing that completely 309 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: disrupted the practice, nothing that sent everybody spiraling that way. 310 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: But as is the case, when you get that many 311 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: football players on a field and it's hot, and it's tough, 312 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: and it's miserable, and there's pushing and shoving, and there's 313 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: winning and losing, and there's jawing after the play, these 314 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: things are gonna happen. But in this Patriots Vikings practice today, 315 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: there was a fight that broke out. Guys went to 316 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: the ground, and the coach of the New England Patriots, 317 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: Mike Rabele, jumps in the middle of it. Now he's 318 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: already gotten in the middle of one training camp practice fight. 319 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: He is already put himself in that position to where 320 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: he came up with a bloodied face and he's got 321 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: a big old gash across his cheek and he's sitting 322 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: there telling everybody you should see the other guy. Now. 323 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: I happen to know, because I covered Mike Brabel for 324 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: six years, that this is a situation that he is 325 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: prone to do oftentimes because he's as big, if not 326 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: bigger than the football players that he coaches. But today, 327 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: in the middle of this Vikings Patriots training camp fight, 328 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: Mike Rabel went in to break it up as he does, 329 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: ended up on a ground and is in the middle 330 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: of yet another training camp fight, probably to his detriment. 331 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: Now I know, Mike, it's his birthday today and he's 332 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: getting a bit long in the tooth to be doing it. 333 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: And I know he would tell you again you should 334 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: see the other guy, and more often than not he's 335 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: probably right. But this lore of Mike Vrabel and the 336 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: New England Patriots and not maybe not the favorite son, 337 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: because the favorite son just got a twelve foot statue 338 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: to him put up in front of the New England 339 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: Patriots stadium in Foxborough at Gillette Stadium, Tom Brady, and 340 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: he's jawing at Jets fans saying, now they have something 341 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: to throw their beers at as they leave, probably in 342 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: the second quarter. Maybe the third Tom Brady is the 343 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: favorite son there. But if tom Brady is the favorite, 344 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: than Mike Vrabel is the second favorite. And they finally 345 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: got the second favorite son to come home and be 346 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: the coach. The amount of hype around Mike Rabel as 347 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: the coach of the New England Patriots is understandable. That 348 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 3: part of the country loves him, that part of the 349 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: country is inspired by him. They can relate to him 350 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: because he can relate to them. He's from Ohio, but 351 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: he's one of them, and he is somebody who comes 352 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: in with an authoritarian style that they are more accustomed to. 353 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: Not anything against Gerrodmeyo other than he clearly wasn't ready 354 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: for the job last year. But they are putting so 355 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: much value in Mike Rabel as the head coach that 356 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: people are talking about the New England Patriots as if 357 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: they might be a playoff team in twenty twenty five, 358 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: as if they don't have one of the worst rosters 359 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 3: that you've ever seen in professional football, as if they 360 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: don't have significant questions, significant questions around their second year 361 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: quarterback who looked like he might have something. But there 362 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 3: have been plenty of quarterbacks to show flashes in their 363 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: rookie year that don't pan out if they don't have 364 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: requisite skill position players as the New England Patriots do not, 365 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 3: and a good offensive line to support them, as the 366 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: New England Patriots do not. The amount of Mike vrabel 367 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: lore that is gassing up the Patriots and they're over 368 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: for people who are betting them is inexplicable to me, 369 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: because I've covered Mike Frable, as I mentioned, six years 370 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: with the Tennessee Titans, fired after a six win season, 371 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: a season that they had no business winning those six 372 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: games that they did, but an unceremonious finish to his 373 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: career after being the Coach of the Year in twenty 374 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 3: twenty one, taking a godfirst in franchise in Tennessee to 375 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: the AFC Championship, playing the Chiefs kind of down to 376 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: the wire until Patrick Mahomes does the Patrick Mahomes thing 377 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 3: that he does, which is just outruns a shoe string 378 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: tackle en route to the end zone before the half 379 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 3: to score another touchdown and break you over his knee 380 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: and run away with it. As the Chiefs, at least 381 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: in that time period, were wont to do. I know 382 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 3: they look a little bit mortal of light. People are 383 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: down on the Chiefs, but still and Mike vrabel inherited 384 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: a roster at that point, Fitzie that was ready to 385 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: go at the time, that had Marcus Mariota as the quarterback, 386 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: but had Ryan Tannehill's the failsafe, had Derrick Henry in 387 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: his prime, had an offensive line that was ready to rock, 388 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 3: had a defense that was excellent, had Aj Brown at 389 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 3: the time. I'm sure the Titans wish they could have 390 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 3: that back, but Mike Vrabel inherited a playoff team. Mike 391 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: Vrabel has never had to do, at least in the pros, 392 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: what he is currently being tasked to do with the 393 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 3: New England Patriots, which is build this thing from the 394 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: ground up. And it doesn't mean that he's incapable of it. 395 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: But in twenty twenty five, the amount of Patriots hype 396 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: just simply because of who the coach is, I think 397 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: it's way way overdone. 398 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: I'm I'm lost because look, Mike Frabel, like this is 399 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: again that area where two things can be true. Mike 400 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: Frabel did a really nice job in Tennessee at times 401 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: with some pretty good football teams, you know, but he 402 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: also had the benefit of Derrick Henry. And I'm not 403 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: saying that to Negate what Mike Vrabel has done, but 404 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: it's just one of those moments where and this is 405 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: where Patriots fans have come in and say, no worries, 406 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: that's why they drafted Henderson. He's gonna be the Derrick Henry. Okay, 407 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: things aren't necessarily that simple. There is this concept and 408 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: I don't know where it came from, honestly, Buck that 409 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: like Mike Rabel took chicken, you know, what and made 410 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: the best chicken salad we've ever seen in a Michelin 411 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: Star restaurant with just the worst ever of everything. And 412 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: I think that's a little oversimplified. I think it takes 413 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: a little of the blame off of Rabel's plate, and 414 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: I think it takes somebody that is, frankly, for whatever reason, 415 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: football likable. Like there's a part of Rabel that is 416 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: football dude likable that people enjoy being around, and so 417 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we just look at that dude 418 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: and we're like, oh, I know who that is. All 419 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 2: I know is that the narrative is the Titans suck 420 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: and Titan's ownership. I don't even know who they are. 421 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: Like your casual fan only knows the Titans for Mike Rabel. 422 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 2: So they see him out of there and they think, Okay, 423 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: this is going to be brilliant. And I think, okay, man, 424 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: if the expectation I live in New England Patriots Country, 425 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: the expectation here is Brady Belichick for everything, and that 426 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: is a lofty Like if you think Mike Rabel is 427 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: going to be Bill Belichick, then you think he with 428 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: New England is going to be one of the three 429 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: or four best football coaches of all time. If all 430 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: he is is pretty good. On this Patriots team, They're 431 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: an eight win team this year, and people are gonna 432 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: lose their minds because they're talking about them like they're 433 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: a twelve win team. 434 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: Listen, I think the Titans made a mistake when they 435 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: fired Mike, and even though there were some circumstances that 436 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: caused Mike Rabel to get himself in part in part 437 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: fired like I think they aired in making the decision 438 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 3: that they did, and the results have played themselves out 439 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: for a season in which they were the worst team 440 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 3: in football and that Mike Rabel was holding them together 441 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: with glue and toothpicks at the end, and they still won. 442 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: They only won six games, but that was probably, like 443 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: I said, more games than they deserve to win at 444 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 3: the time. He also, here's the thing, Fitzie, He's got 445 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: full control there. That's his organization. I know Bob Kraft 446 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: owns the Patriots, but Mike Frable is now not just 447 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: the head coach. He is in concert with I'm gonna 448 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: say Ryan Cowden. Even though Elliott Wolf is technically their GM, 449 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 3: Elliott Wolf does not matter in the grand scheme. Of 450 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: that organization. And I know that just because I know 451 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: the kind of organization that Mike Rabel imported from Tennessee 452 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: up to New England. Ryan Cowden is the name that 453 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: most people probably don't know, but he is going to 454 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: have a huge level of influence in what they do, 455 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: and he and Rabel are going to work in concert together. 456 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: There were a lot of bad personnel decisions made in 457 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: Tennessee at the end. A lot of bad personnel decisions 458 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 3: made in Tennessee at the end. And I don't think 459 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: that John Robinson, who was the GM at the time 460 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: who got fired, was not was the only reason. He 461 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: was the bulk of the reason, but not the only 462 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: reason why they cratered from a roster standpoint that saw 463 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: that level of competitiveness fall off a cliff. So there 464 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 3: are ben head coaches who have personnel control or as 465 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: much say in personnel control as this one does, who 466 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: have succeeded. Kyle Shanahan is one of them. Kyle Shanahan 467 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: is also an offensive minded head coach who is considered 468 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: a wonder who is a wonder kind. I don't know 469 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: how much of a kind he is at this point. 470 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: He's looking a little more gray, a little more long 471 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 3: in the tooth than I remember last time I saw 472 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: Cayle Shanahan, but still an offensive minded head coach. There 473 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: are very few of these guys on the defensive side 474 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: of the ball who have the kind of success that 475 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan, who do have roster control 476 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 3: at their respective places, are able to come away with 477 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: because they are one of a kind. I mean, maybe 478 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 3: two of a kind, but you understand my point. Mike 479 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: is not going to be able to make up for 480 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 3: any offensive deficiencies that they have. In fact, Josh McDaniels 481 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 3: is a fascinating figure here because we haven't seen Josh 482 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: McDaniels do it without Tom Brady either, those same principles 483 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: about doing without Tom Brady for Bill Belichick. Josh McDaniels 484 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: is one of those people I know. You know this 485 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 3: as the as a Raiders fan who had to deal 486 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: with him as a head coach that had seen in 487 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: the locker room, couldn't wait to get rid of. 488 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: I have to tell you what two people that played 489 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: in Josh McDaniel's offense, not for the Raiders, but when 490 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: he was just an offensive coordinator told me about that 491 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: offense and why I think that it's important for Drake. 492 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: Maybe. 493 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. 494 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every week day from 495 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 496 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug out Leap Show 497 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: at Foxsports Treaty dot com, or stream us live every 498 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 499 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitz Ra hanging in for 500 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, and we 501 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: were just talking about the Patriots and how wildly overhyped 502 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: I believe they are this year, and I want to 503 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: go back to Josh McDaniel's offense. In fact, Mac Jones 504 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: is somebody I spent some time with last year last 505 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: summer during a high school football moment, and he talked 506 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: about how some coaches get you and you get some coaches, 507 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: and that was really particularly important for him. He and 508 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels obviously clicked. I want to take nothing away 509 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: from that because this is where Patriots fans and some 510 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: people inside the organization will even say, hey, Mac Jones 511 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: went to a Pro Bowl with Josh McDaniels as his 512 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: head coach and they're not wrong, like that's fine, that happened. 513 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: That being said, I know two different players that played 514 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: for a brief stint with the New England Patriots different 515 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: times in their career, that both played in the NFL 516 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: for a substantial amount of time, and they both told 517 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: me the same thing without each other in the room, 518 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: just in conversations about Josh McDaniels. This was back when 519 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 2: I was asking about Josh because he was hired as 520 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: the head coach of my favorite football team. And I'll 521 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: never forget. One guy that played over ten years in 522 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: the league said, I have seen every offense you could 523 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: ever imagine, and I got into that offense and it 524 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: was like a foreign language. I've never had that many reads, 525 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 2: I've never had that much communication, I've never had that 526 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: many variables, and it just over and over again. I 527 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: got specific examples. I talked to another player who also 528 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 2: played in the league for quite a while and he 529 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: said the exact same thing. He said, Man, you think 530 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: you know what an offense is, and there's terminology and 531 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: things that you can take from every offense you've been 532 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: in until you're in a Josh McDaniel's offense and it 533 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: is all new from scratch, and we've seen that, we 534 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: have seen how difficult that offense is for some people. 535 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: So now we have Drake May. And again I'll go 536 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: back to someone I know that knows the North Carolina 537 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: coaching staff well, that said that the coaching, the offensive 538 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: coaching around North Carolina was predicated on the concept of 539 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: find green grass. So every route had a green grass 540 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: combo on it. You find green grass, you throw to 541 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: green grass. That's not uncommon in some really basic offenses. 542 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: But I say that to say, we have no idea 543 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: from day one of Drake May in the NFL, we 544 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: had no idea of how he's going to just absorb 545 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: a certain style of offense. If anyone watched Quarterback, one 546 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: thing that Jared Goff stressed during Quarterback is you and 547 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: your offensive play caller have to be calling the same 548 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: language all the time. Remember there was an episode in 549 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: that show where he was saying in the huddle, Micdup, 550 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 2: call scuttle but I want scuttle butt, and then the 551 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: call came in and it was scuttle butt. And Golf 552 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: afterwards was talking about the fact that you just have 553 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: to be on the same page. Well, that's hard to 554 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: do when Josh McDaniels is speaking the language he's spoken 555 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: for the majority of his adult life and somebody else 556 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: is just learning it. That to me screams learning curve. 557 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: There will be some really good moments for Drake May 558 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: and there will be some really weird moments. What we'll say, 559 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: what in the hell was he thinking? Because we don't 560 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: know whether he or the wide receiver was wrong. But 561 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: the amount of communication it takes me in you mentioned 562 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: it earlier, Rapes is not coming in as an offensive, 563 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 2: brilliant head coach that's going to really run things. He's 564 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: not Sean McVeigh, right, So he's gonna come in and 565 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: he's gonna trust Josh McDaniels to the offense. To me, 566 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: that screams adjustment period. And if you're all in on 567 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 2: the Patriots making the playoffs this year, I don't see 568 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 2: how you bring all these new faces in, all this 569 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: adjustment in culture, all of the things that you're asking for, 570 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Brabel and an adjustment in the offensive language. 571 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be a better football team, but 572 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: they were, you know, they were a Joe Milton shouldn't 573 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: have won the game against the Bills, win away from 574 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: being the worst football team and being able to have 575 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 3: the number one overall pick and all these different things, right, 576 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: they kind of bang themselves at the end of the year, 577 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: and Joe Milton ends up as a Dallas cowboy as 578 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: a result, and probably overhype there. It's just so many 579 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: different connections to the state of Tennessee in which I work, 580 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 3: and I know you live for quite some time, FITZI 581 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: here in all the different national topics that we've touched 582 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: on today. But I do think that they're going to 583 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: be a better football team. I think that Mike will 584 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 3: get them moving in the direct in the right direction. 585 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: I think he commands a room. It's very difficult to do. 586 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: That job is so much more than just the x'es 587 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: and o's, right, There are plenty of failed or plenty 588 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: of excellent coordinators who have been failed head coaches, because again, 589 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: it is not just an exus and o's job. But 590 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 3: if the x'es and o's people that you've hired have, 591 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: you know, difficulty adjusting to the talent that you have, 592 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 3: then that will create a situation that will become very apparent, 593 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: very quickly, and that if Josh McDaniels is so married 594 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: to assist him, and I think that generation or that 595 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: kind of coaches being phased out at this point. You 596 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: have to be malleable if you're going to work in 597 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: the NFL, if you're going to have sustained success in 598 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: the NFL, and maybe maybe maybe maybe Josh McDaniels for 599 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: the fifth time around, in some form or fashion, has 600 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: learned whatever lesson he needs to learn about how to 601 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: be more flexible as a coach. But I'm gonna go 602 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: ahead and bet against that given precedent, betting against the 603 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: New England Patriots being improved. I'm betting against the idea 604 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: that they are going to be so improved up to 605 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, the Brady Belichick standard. Nobody's ever gonna 606 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: achieve that standard. I mean, it's it's feasible to think 607 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: that that at standard has never achieved again in modern 608 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 3: football history because there's only one of those guys. It's 609 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: a huge experiment right now in New England for a 610 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 3: fan base that is one tired of losing after having 611 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: been spoiled for so so long, and has unrealistic expectations 612 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: relative to the rest of the football consuming public. And 613 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: you know, I enjoy I rather miss you know, Mike 614 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: Vrabel taking one of our heads off at a press 615 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: conference when you ask him a question and you're not 616 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: paying attention the way that I saw him due to 617 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: Ben Bolan on the first day of training camp, and 618 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 3: in fact I texted him, I said, you couldn't make 619 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: it one day, one day without taking somebody's head off 620 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: that way. And it was pretty harmless on that scale. 621 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: But that stuff that he does at press conference that 622 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: I'm smarter than you. It's not my job to teach 623 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: you football. That becomes a lot less cute and a 624 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: lot less fun when you are the coach of a 625 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: six or eight win football team, because you've got problems 626 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: between your offensive coordinator and his ability to teach or 627 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: work with at a reasonable level the talent that you've 628 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: put into place, and that's the kind of thing that 629 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: you could foresee them being up against. I don't want 630 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: to make problems where they're not problems yet it all 631 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: could go to plan. I have no idea, but these 632 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: are just based on the experience of what it is 633 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: to cover Mike Vrabel coach teams and the fact that 634 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: he's got more power in that organization than anybody saved 635 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: the owner at this point in time. These are things 636 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: that are going to be worth monitoring if you're a 637 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: Patriots fan. 638 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just keep going back to I've lived 639 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: in the New England area since twenty eighteen at this point, 640 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: and one thing that stunned me when I came up 641 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: here is that, you know, it's this is the opposite 642 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: of Nashville, where I live for twenty five years of 643 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: my life. It is wildly opposite Nashville. You can't you 644 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: can't walk into a sports bar on a Saturday because 645 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: everybody's watching college football up here. Well, you could walk 646 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: in and take five tables to yourself. They don't even 647 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 2: have college football on TV. But one thing about Sunday 648 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: is for sure, the Patriots were on every TV until 649 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: they weren't. And now all of a sudden, you walk 650 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: into a sports bar up here, the Giants and the 651 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: Jets are on the TVs. Why Because Patriots fans are 652 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: just done. And it's amazing to me to see that 653 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: they've quickly learned how the rest of the league lives. 654 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: That everybody's convinced Frabe's gonna come in and be a lifesaver. 655 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: What you said at the beginning is true. I think 656 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: the Patriots is going to be better. The problem is, 657 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: I think people expect that the Patriots are going to 658 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: be the Patriots of old, and there's been absolutely no 659 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: proof in my mind that we're one step away from that. 660 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: We are one step away from the single greatest game 661 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: show in the history of sports talk radio. Would you 662 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: rather coming up next on Bucking Fits Sitting in for 663 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio. 664 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlep Show podcast. 665 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from three 666 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: to five eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 667 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: Find your local station for the Doug Gotlip Show at 668 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot Com, or stream us live every day 669 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: on the radio app by searching FSR. 670 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's Bucket Vince on 671 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, hanging out with you. If you're just 672 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: tuning in, fear not, We're back with you tomorrow morning, 673 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: six am Eastern. Are you gonna Uber Eats Stripper Wings 674 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: before the breakfast show? 675 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 3: No, I will just be returning home from Magic City, 676 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: where I will then bring strip Club Wings with me. 677 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite pac Man Jones I don't 678 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if this was ever out there, but 679 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: I remember talking to a long time NFL executive. We'll 680 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: say about you know, Pack pac Man Jones, who ended 681 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: up having a long career and going on to have 682 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: you know, on field success, and I last I checked, 683 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: Pack had turned it into a bit of a media career. 684 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: He's doing his own podcast and things like that. Good 685 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: on him. But one of my favorite pac Man Jones 686 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: lines was, well, if I don't at where else am 687 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: I supposed to get food at two am? If not 688 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 3: from a strip club as a means of just like, yeah, 689 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 3: I'm just there for the food, you know what. 690 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 2: I respect that. That's why Buck and I are going 691 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: to be in person in Vegas somehow some way for 692 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: the Raiders Titans game and thoughts and prayers for both 693 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: of our sleep schedules. That'll be wild. If you missed 694 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: any of today's show, you want to catch the pod, 695 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 2: just search Doug Gottlieb wherever you get your podcast. Right 696 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: after the show, Today's pot will be posted. To be 697 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: sure to follow the podcast rated five stars even if 698 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 2: you hate us, just because Doug deserves that, and you 699 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 2: can even give us a review again. Just search Doug 700 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: Gottlieb wherever you get your podcasts. You'll find today's full 701 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: show and a best of version posted right after the 702 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 2: end of the show. It is time for the single 703 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: greatest game show in the history of sports Stark Radio Park. 704 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: Are you ready? I'm not gonna do this without you. 705 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: Are you ready? It is time for what boyd you. 706 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: Rather? Did? We get it? 707 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 2: It's easy, guys, don't think too hard. 708 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 5: I'm not a moron. 709 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: Would you rather buckets or fix it? All right? It 710 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: is simple. The concept is would you rather bucket or 711 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: fits it? That is really difficult to say in a 712 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: way that won't get us fired. Producer Ryan, come on in, 713 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: give us a would you rather, and we'll figure out what. Yes. 714 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 5: Nice, Yes, I won't even try. 715 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: I won't even try to say this, Howard? 716 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 5: Would would you rather have to do postgame interviews only 717 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 5: while running on a treadmill? Or only while taking an 718 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 5: ice bath? No? 719 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 3: Running on a treadmill? All right? Have you? Have you 720 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 3: done much postgame, postgame interview, press conference, locker room type 721 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 3: of stuff? Fits? 722 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 2: And you're like a little bit, a little bit okay? 723 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 3: I do it every weekend, and I'm getting ready to 724 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 3: do it again tomorrow night because I got a preseason 725 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 3: game to cover. You are sprinting from the press box 726 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: down to whatever bowels of the stadium wherever you're opposing. 727 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 3: Obviously on the at home, you know where the interview 728 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: interview room is, you know where the locker room is. 729 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 3: But like every opposing stadium you're in, you're running all 730 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 3: over your life. The Chicago Bears Soldier Field is in 731 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 3: a great spot logistically as far as where it's where 732 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 3: it is on the Chicago or in downtown Chicago. But 733 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 3: whoever designed that stadium can sit on the fat end 734 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 3: of a baseball bat and spin as far as I'm concerned, 735 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 3: because they make it damn near impossible to find anything 736 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 3: underneath that stadium. I constantly sound like I'm out of 737 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 3: breath while doing postgame interview settings. The ice bath thing 738 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 3: sounds like an unrelenting hell, no, thank you. 739 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: I would choose the ice bath because most of the 740 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 2: postgame settings I've been in have been like the Final Four, 741 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: the National Championship Game, things like that, where there are 742 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: so many people you can't really stand out. If I'm 743 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 2: in an ice Bath. Everybody's gonna make room for me 744 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 2: number one and number two. Whoever's at the podium is 745 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 2: going to look over and actually acknowledge me. So, even 746 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 2: though the question will be very difficult to ask, I 747 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: go Ice Bath. 748 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 3: Unbelievable. I'm doing Titans Falcons preseason games, which is like 749 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 3: I only cover national championships. Who's the alitis now? 750 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 2: I am on this novel. By the way, that wasn't accidental. 751 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 2: I was just making sure that you know. That's like 752 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: a dog lifting the leg. I was just peeing all 753 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 2: over my territory. Ryan, What do you got for us next? Oh? Boy? 754 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 5: Uh? So, would you rather be the fastest player in 755 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 5: the world but trip every time you celebrate? Or the 756 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 5: slowest player in the world but never miss a trash 757 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 5: talk opportunity? 758 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 2: Oh, the slowest player in the world, never missed a 759 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 2: trash talk opportunity without a doubt, Like, what's the point 760 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: of being fast if you can't celebrate? And if you 761 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 2: trip every time you celebrate, You're just gonna become a meme. 762 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 2: I don't want that. I will mosey like the tortoise 763 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: versus the hair. Hair can get there first. I'm gonna 764 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: have a better time doing it. 765 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: Buck. Oh yeah, no, I'm with you. We are aligned 766 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 3: in this way. I just want to be able to 767 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: my game. May not necessarily be able to back up 768 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 3: my smack talk, but that's not gonna tap me to 769 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 3: talk stop me from smack talking anyway. Hell, I can't 770 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 3: even talk properly. 771 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 2: I mean I've been I've been kicked out of more 772 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 2: church basketball leagues and you can shake a stick out 773 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 2: for my mouth. So yeah, I'm all in for that. 774 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 775 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 2: You know, it turns out there are certain things that 776 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 2: will get kicked out of Churchley games. Okay, what do 777 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 2: you got for usnex? You know what all I said 778 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 2: was Jimmy Christmas. I didn't even say the real thing. 779 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 3: But does it start to sizzle? Well? 780 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a wonder that they let me, that's 781 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 2: for sure. 782 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 5: All right. 783 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: Last one here. 784 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 5: Would you rather have a personal hype man who follows 785 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 5: you everywhere? Or a laugh track that plays every time 786 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 5: you make a joke funny or not? 787 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 3: Oh, personal hype man? I Well that's interesting because I 788 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: already am my own my own personal hype man, deserved 789 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: or otherwise. But I probably still like the affirmation. Nothing 790 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 3: beats affirmation. 791 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 2: A hype man is good though, Like I do like 792 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 2: the idea of walking in the room and having like 793 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 2: and when I walk in the room and like somebody 794 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: doing the entire thing, I think that would I'm trying 795 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 2: to think of what would what would piss you off more? 796 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 2: And I think a laugh track actually would, because I 797 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: would just intentionally say really bad jokes constantly just to 798 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 2: get because you know, once I'm imagine it's a good 799 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: laugh track, then the whole room's gonna laugh at it. 800 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 2: And that's only gonna make you angry that you're not 801 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 2: laughing at it. And everybody else's Cavino' rich next. They're 802 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 2: always good looking and hysterical. We'll be back with you 803 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 2: on two pros and a cup of Joe in the morning. 804 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for hanging out with Bucking Fits.