1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses with Clay Trevis. Clay talks 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: with the most entertaining people in sports, entertainment and business. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Now here's Clay Trevis. We walcome into Winston Losses podcast. 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: I hope you guys are having a good time wherever 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: you may be, as we moved closer and closer to Thanksgiving, 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: at least if you're listening in nineteen, I know a 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna be on the road, including 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Cousin sal one of the co hosts of Walking In, 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: who is with Me every day from four thirty to 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: five thirty Eastern one thirty Pacific on f S one. UH. 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: He is currently leading season two of the show. But 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: it occurs to me, I don't really know that much 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: about anything uh in his life in the grand scheme 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: of things to where he ended up on the show 15 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: with me and everything else. We have a fantastic time, 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: so I think he's with us now. You can find 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: him on Twitter at Cousin sal Uh and sal Uh. 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: That I kind of want to start with that at 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: the beginning, where did you like? What was the first 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: time you thought, Hey, maybe I can make a living 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: in uh? In the entertainment space. Was I know your 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: cousin is Jimmy Kimmel. Was it like, did you guys 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: talk about it when you were kids? Like? What was 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: what was like a moment where you thought, hey, maybe 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: we could do this? Well? Can we first start with 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: you giving out my right freaking Twitter handle. It's at 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: the cousin south Yes, my bad, I'm already already over one. Yes. 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: Uh so all right, so at the cousins say, I 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: know this is very sure. I want to get into 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: this real quick, really quick before I answer questions. I 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: love this because you have a radio show, a successful 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: radio show, and whether or not you want to admit it, 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: you want to phase this radio show out, and so 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: you start this podcast. And now this podcast is wildly 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: uh wildly um popular, and the radio show is doing 36 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: better than ever. You're never gonna stop talking. You're just 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to be on the air all the time. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: This is backfired. But this is what my wife says 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: all the time. I keep trying to find ways to 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: do less work, and inevitably, every time I tried to 41 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: do that, I end up working more. So I don't 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: know the solution of this at all. This is this 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: is why I told her that I'm going to retire 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: at fifty. She doesn't believe me, but I'm like, I'm 45 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: forty right now. I want to go hard for ten 46 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: more years and then I'm just vanishing. That's my plan 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: right now. Just I'm gonna make enough money, right, don't 48 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: have to do anything for the rest of my life, 49 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna vanish. I kind of do like 50 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: the fight and being in the middle of things every 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: day on a day to day basis, but I would 52 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: like to be able to sleep. Um, so I know, 53 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: and I know that was your plan. I mean, you 54 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: are on the air or some in the air every 55 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: hour of the die. I mean you might as well 56 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: just start posting your therapy sessions online, right basically. You know, 57 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: my wife said the other day, and I think she's 58 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: right that radio is my therapy, because she said, you're 59 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: so lucky that you get to come on every day 60 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: and just say whatever you think, and you know, people 61 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: don't have to agree or disagree with it, but you 62 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: get every thought thought out of your head and so 63 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: you don't bottle anything up. And the result is you 64 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: kind of walk around lighter than air because you aren't 65 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: like there's nothing bottled up inside. You just put it 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: all out there. And I do think there's some truth 67 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: to that. Like I I do think that that is Uh, 68 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm healthier since I started doing radio for that reason, 69 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: and it's kind of it's kind of crazy, but I 70 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: don't have just spend money on therapy. So let's go 71 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: back to you first before we go back to how 72 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: you got started. How terrified were you? So? We had 73 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: never met right you and I. For people out there 74 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: who are not aware, the very first time we met, 75 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: I walked into a Fox office of our boss, Charlie Dixon. 76 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: You were already there, and I had heard that you 77 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: were a really nice guy, but I didn't even know 78 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: what you looked like. And so I was like, yeah, 79 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: I've heard cousin Sal is a really good guy. And 80 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: then Charlie like, he's like, hey, come out here for Ben. 81 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: I want you to go see somebody. He's like, Hey, 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: that's cousin Sal. He's in the office with us now. 83 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, really, well, it's a good 84 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: thing that I said something positive then, I guess, because 85 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: because otherwise it could have been a mess. But were 86 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: you you probably did not hear the same things about 87 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: me like I heard good things about you. Were you terrified? 88 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: Were you like this guy is gonna be totally insufferable? 89 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: I was a little bit. And some people described you 90 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: to me as well, this is going to be the 91 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: Simon Cowell of your show, and I was like, all right, 92 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: that could go one of two ways. You know, I 93 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: don't know if this is a routine with Simon Cowell 94 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: or not, or if you could turn it off where 95 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: we could be friends or not. But uh, I had 96 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: heard a lot of things. I've heard that. I heard 97 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: that your persona off the air is the same and 98 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: yet it's charming, and that everybody who knows you in 99 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: this capacity likes you. But then I also heard a 100 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: lot of things that you had done the CNN interview 101 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: and the and the whole Uh what I think I 102 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: heard you about Gregg Siano or something, And then it 103 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: was like there was I was like, wow, this is 104 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot to overcome for me to be uh buddies 105 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: with this guy. And then uh, but then I almost 106 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: immediately knew that it was gonna work out. I don't 107 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: know why, but I could just I could just tell 108 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: did you did you feel that too? Or yeah? Yeah? 109 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: For people who don't know. So our show got put 110 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: together and you know a lot more about television than 111 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: I do. But even on like this doesn't happen very often. 112 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: Our show got put together and like basically the space 113 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: of six d eight weeks and uh and that might 114 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: even be an exact a duration of how quickly this 115 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: thing came together, from the point of you know, us 116 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: a green to do it to the launch of the show. 117 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: And really the first time we were in a room 118 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: together other than we went out to dinner, which was 119 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: like a big kind of group dinner, we did a 120 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: which would call basically like a table read you me, 121 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Todd Ferman and Rachel Bannetta. Was the first time we've 122 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: been in a room. And I thought our table read 123 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: went insanely smooth, right, and and I was like, oh, 124 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: this could be pretty good. And from that point on, 125 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I think this show is gonna be 126 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and it has. I mean, I 127 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: genuinely love doing it every day. Well I do too, 128 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if you remember what 129 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: happened the second day, so that room were that day 130 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: were all together in the room, and then we tried 131 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: one where you guys were on some kind of weird 132 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: satellite which wasn't even uh, it wasn't even in sync 133 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: with the satellite we used today. And that was a disaster. 134 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: That was like the third day and that was really bad. 135 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: Like the delay was about three times as long as 136 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: it is and it's not great right now. So um, 137 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: and we were, you know, we were all green and 138 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: we didn't know how to handle it. And I remember thinking, 139 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: oh boy, I think we're gonna all have to be 140 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: in the same We're gonna have to move to Nashville 141 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, right there. Yeah, for people who don't know, 142 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Todd does the show from Vegas, I do it from Nashville. 143 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: You are typically I mean you travel sometimes, but you're 144 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: typically on the main uh Fox lot in l A 145 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: with Rachel. But it's been awesome since we got going. 146 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: So let's circle back around. So how did you So 147 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: at what point did you start thinking, I know, you 148 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: went to undergrad. I think at Sunny I was a 149 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: wiggo am I right about that, that's right to sleep 150 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Upstate New York. It was a Sunny school, that's yeah. 151 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: And I went to high school on uh in Long Island. 152 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: So it was about a six hour six hour drive 153 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: and then you went to law school, right, Like, how 154 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: did that happen? You know, I graduated, uh high school, 155 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I graduated college. And I had like two 156 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: jobs fall through, and one of them was a phone 157 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: screener for my cousin, Jimmy. I had already always done 158 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: like radio bits for him. You liked this because he 159 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: was fired from like seven radio jobs. Yeah, and it's 160 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: bad and he was making you know, he was going 161 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: from one job that made dollars, next that made two thousand, 162 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: and by the time he got the twenty four thousand, 163 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: he had a wife and kid, and you know, it's visible. 164 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: It was miserable all the way through. But somewhere along 165 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: the line after college, he's like, you could be my 166 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: phone screener for me here in Tampa. And I said, 167 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: all right, what what the hell do I care? I 168 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: have nothing else lined up. I'll do that. And then 169 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: that fell through. I think like the program director gave 170 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: him an ultimating. He was like, yeah, we'll hire your 171 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: cousin as a phone screener, but uh, then you can't 172 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: ask for a race for another three years. Like back 173 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: that even exists, Like what kind of deal with that? Anyway. 174 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: He's like, uh, yeah, to save my marriage temporarily and 175 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: uh the phone screener thing on hold. So I really 176 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: had nothing else to do. I had applied for a 177 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: local law school, uh Toro Law, which I joked was 178 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: part lawn maintenance and part law, but thoral law and 179 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: in Long Island. Uh. And I got in and it 180 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: was like twenty minutes from my house and I was like, 181 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: oh man, I really have nothing to do. But I'm 182 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: not I'm not into law at all. And then everyone's like, well, 183 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you can become a businessman. You could do anything with 184 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: the law degree. You can a good business head and everything. 185 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: I was like all right, And then I graduated. No 186 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: one's like, oh, my son, the lawyer. You have to 187 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: be a lawyer. Now. I was like, wait a minute, 188 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: this wasn't our deal. I hate law, but were you 189 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: like that reading and stuff. I love the reading and 190 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: I liked the law school part of it. But I 191 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: at twenty when I started practicing. So I graduated, uh 192 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: laur and I you know, my wife got married. We 193 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: moved to the US Virgin Islands because I was like, 194 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: this will be so exciting. You know, we're young, we 195 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: don't have any kids. And I remember being in that 196 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: office and having what I would call a quarter life crisis, 197 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, where I was like, oh my god, this 198 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: is never going to end, you know, like you know, 199 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: because I mean, and look, I didn't hate it. I mean, 200 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: there are a lot of worse jobs you could have, 201 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say like being a lawyer 202 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: is the worst thing you could ever do. I loved 203 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: to law school. But I remember we were having an 204 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: argument over whether a law filing was ready, was like 205 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: legal or not, because whether February twenty ninth happening was 206 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: excusable neglect. In other words, somebody missed a filing because 207 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: it's a leap year, right, and so there's an extra 208 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: day on the calendar, which a typical lawyer thing, right, 209 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: But people are like really fired up and arguing about 210 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: it and had been going on forever. And I was like, 211 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: did I really spend all this money to go to 212 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: law school so I could argue about whether February was 213 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: excusable neglect? So now I argue about whether the Cowboys 214 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: are going to cover on a television show. So I've 215 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: clearly ended up with a much more significant thing. But no, 216 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: I knew. I didn't like it. It was just so 217 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: slow moving and uh, and I wanted to get out. 218 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: But that's when I started writing online, which then led 219 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: to radio. But so, what did you do? Did you 220 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: go practice in a firm or what did you do 221 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: when you graduated? Well, what's interesting? Really quick? Before you 222 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: you uh, with the whole thing with the football. I 223 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: remember an orientation at law school. I was still a 224 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: gigantic football fan back then, and I was in like 225 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: six fantasy leagues, and I had this terrible gambling addiction. 226 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: And I remember asking everyone like, hey, do you watch 227 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: do you watch someday like adding the second year students, 228 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, no, there's no time for that. Well, 229 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: I'm watching football on Sundays. I don't care whatever. If 230 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: I come away with it with these I'll be okay 231 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: as long as I get to watch football Sundays. And 232 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: sure enough, that's pretty much what I did. But no, 233 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: I graduated and uh and my girlfriend at the time, 234 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: her mother was a big real estate um a broker, 235 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: and so she had ties to a real estate attorney's office, 236 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: and that that's it. I would just like shovel papers. 237 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: I was an attorney that represented like thirty banks, and 238 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: I would go to closings all over the Bronx, Brooklyn Queens, 239 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: all of these terrible burrows, and uh yeah, I never 240 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: really liked a minute of it. So you were like 241 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: years old doing this, that's right. I came right out 242 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: of high school college right to law school. Okay, so 243 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: that was the only about it. I got a good 244 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: story for you about law school too, I remember, so 245 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: I I was pretty good at talking, right like, so 246 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: if I got called in on on in class, I 247 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: could handle, you know, the questions the socratic method that 248 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: the teacher would ask. And I remember I did really 249 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: well early in September um in fact, and this is 250 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of a dark story, 251 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: but after September eleven, I was a first year law 252 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: student in September eleventh, even September eleven half and and 253 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: for like three weeks after that, the rest of September, 254 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, they decided that it was such 255 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: a traumatic thing and so many different people had connections 256 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: to either New York or d C. And the the 257 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: whole process that they would not just randomly call on 258 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: people because they were afraid that they would find you know, 259 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: like somebody would have not been able to sleep or whatever, 260 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: and then there they fall apart, you know, getting questions. 261 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: So you only they only took volunteers, so I volunteered. 262 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: I was like, screw it, I'm happy to talk, you know. 263 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, you know, unable to speak after 264 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: nine eleven or anything. And I killed it, like discussing 265 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: one of the cases in in the class. And so 266 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: all the smartest kids in this section they came up 267 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: to me after class and they were like, hey, we 268 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: want you to be in our study group. We're all 269 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: gonna get you know, there's the curve, we're all gonna 270 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: get a's. We think that you will kill it. Do 271 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: you want to join our study group? I mean, these 272 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: were like, you know, the the gunners of the gunners 273 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: in the law school. And I was like, I want 274 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: to think about it a little bit. You know. I 275 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: was like when do you meet? And they were like, well, 276 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: we meet on Saturdays. And I was like, well, I 277 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: mean I watched college football all day Saturday, Like what 278 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: time do you meet? And they're like, what, we meet 279 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: five hours on Saturdays. You know, I was like I can't, 280 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: I can't do that. I mean, I'm gonna sit and 281 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: watch college football to day. I mean, I understand you 282 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: got a study, but I'm not giving up college football. 283 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: Uh So so that I had a kind of a 284 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: similar experience where I was like, I liked the law school, 285 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: but I wasn't willing to give up the things that 286 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: I like to be a lawyer. Does that make sense? Absolutely? 287 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: But you've done more with your degree than I have. 288 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean I really a kind of abandoned it almost 289 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: bread away, like two or two years into uh being 290 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: a real estate attorney. But you you had a little brag. 291 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: You got to see the Virgin Islands. At least I 292 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: didn't do any of that. And you know, I think 293 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: I should have known then instead of just finishing paying 294 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: off my loans um twenty seven years later, whatever, I 295 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: just finished my two friendship with the Cowboys or something. Yeah, 296 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: I hung it on the refrigerator. I was like, this 297 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: is my my crowning achievement right here. Be done. Crazy 298 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: how long it takes to pay it off? So okay, 299 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: you do it for two years and then what happens? 300 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: How do you so you're you're a real estate attorney 301 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: running all over New York and then what happens and 302 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: you're like, screw it, I'm out, and what did you do? 303 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,599 Speaker 1: So this was my the rock bottom for me. But 304 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: I had dated a girl for eight years. Uh in 305 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Long Island. We went to upstate. Uh we're together upstate 306 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: at school and college, and we happened to live twenty 307 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: minutes from each other in real life after school. So um. 308 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: So then I was like, yeah, the mother helps me 309 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: get a job, and I'm doing this real estate stuff. 310 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: And we had just gone to a wedding in Los 311 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: Angeles and my cousin Jimmy is now a little more established. 312 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: He's about to get the job hosting wind Benstein's money. 313 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I could use a writer. I 314 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: do the syndicated sports editorials that run on like forty stations, 315 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: which seems like a big deal at the time. I 316 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: can give you a hundred dollars each and uh for 317 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: each one, and uh, you know, maybe you could help 318 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: write for me for this game show. Like I can't 319 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: leave New York. I'm in five softball leagues, have from 320 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: great here that I have this job. I'm a lawyer. 321 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. I didn't I was a prisoner 322 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: to that stupid loan. I was like, I can't leave law, 323 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: no matter how much I dislike, you know, because I 324 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: owe all this money and things have to make sense. 325 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: A lot of people listening to us right now know 326 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about if you've got those student 327 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: loans kind of hanging over your head. So I would 328 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: suggest to get out. I really wild, but I don't know. 329 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, everyone's different. But rock bottom for me was 330 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm driving this eighty four Chevy Cavalier. It was on 331 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: its last legs, and like I said, like I'd have 332 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: a closing in like in the Bronx at ten am, 333 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: and then I'd have another one somewhere in like Midtown Manhattan, 334 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: twelve thirty. It works differently on the East Coast is 335 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: to make a bigger deal out of real estate closing, 336 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: and then I would have to be in Suffer, New York, 337 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: which is over the Tappanzee Bridge at like three thirty, 338 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: and then make my way all the way back to 339 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: Long Island. So I wasn't getting home until eight o'clock. 340 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: And this stupid car breaks down on the bridge like 341 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: almost like a fire under the hood and everything else, 342 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: and like I was almost in tears. It was raining, 343 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: you know. I of course didn't have triple A or anything, 344 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: so I don't even know how the hell I got 345 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: it out of there, but I was like, I gotta 346 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: get out of here. I absolutely did, obviously, like it's pouring, right. 347 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: That was the day I got back from the flight 348 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: from the wedding in Los Angeles, which is obviously it 349 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: was like April was like still like eighty two degrees, 350 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: Like what the hell am I doing right now? So 351 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: I like, sometimes it has to slap you in the face. 352 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Did you have a moment like that or you were 353 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: just like all right, I did this and I'm gonna 354 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: move on. I will give eternal credit to my wife 355 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: for this, because I came back from the Virgin Islands 356 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: and I had an idea for a book, um, and 357 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: I started to write online. Wasn't making any money at all, 358 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: but the idea for the book was I was obviously 359 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: a huge SEC football fan, and there had been a 360 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: book written about this guy who followed Alabama football around 361 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and when I was a kid growing up, and it 362 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: hadn't done well called Rammer Jammer Yellowhammer by a guy 363 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: named Warren St. John is a great book. UM, And 364 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: when I was a kid growing up, my dad and 365 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: his friends would go to one SEC football game every 366 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: year on the road. They were big Tennessee fans, and 367 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: they would pick one every year. Is a big deal. 368 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: He and his buddies, they go away and and the 369 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: goal was to go to every SEC stadium. That's a 370 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: big deal in the SEC. Still, It's like, hey, I 371 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: want to be able to see a game and every 372 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: opposing team stadium. So I thought to myself, what if 373 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: I spend the fall going around writing a book about 374 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: why SEC football matters? And I'll call it Dixie Land 375 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: a Light. And I pitched it to my wife. And 376 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, my wife at this time was back in school. 377 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: We had met in law school, but she didn't want 378 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: to be a lawyer, so she went back to school. 379 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: She was at Vanderbilt to beget her counseling degree. And 380 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: I said, I got this idea. Instead of single law 381 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: of this fall, I'm gonna write a book. I'm gonna 382 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: go around to all twelve SEC football stadiums. I'm gonna 383 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: stay do it cheap, stay with buddies on the couch 384 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: like that. I knew that were fans of the teams. Uh, 385 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna turn it into a book. And I 386 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: gave her that I had made the whole roster of 387 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: the games that I would go to and exactly what 388 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: it be called. And to her eternal credit, she said, 389 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: what about going to the cocktail party? Which wasn't on campus, 390 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: but she had heard of Florida Georgia knew was a 391 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: big deal, and so she supported it. And so that 392 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: was to me, that was my sort of opportunity. To me, 393 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: I think that was my jumping off point too, I 394 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: think I can make a living doing this. And also 395 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: credit to my uncle, who I think everybody's self doubts 396 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: a lot um. And so when I was writing online, 397 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I was making a hundred dollars a week, right, I 398 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: mean I was writing these columns grind in a way. 399 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: And my uncle said, it's not different if one of 400 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: your parents says something. But my uncle said he was 401 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: reading the columns and he was like, hey, I think 402 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: one day Clay could make a living doing this. And 403 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: that was just that was kind of my jumping off point. 404 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: I had a lot of prap falls along the way, 405 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: but but that was that was my kind of declaration 406 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: of independence. For lack of a better term, and because 407 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: of that, you devote forty two minutes of our forty 408 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: four actual show minutes after commercial. I'm internally I'm internally 409 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: loyal and in debt. Yes, So that was my getaway. So, Okay, 410 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: your car breaks down on the Tapanzee Bridge. Uh, you 411 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: don't know how you got off, but you get Eventually 412 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: you get back home and you call Jimmy and you're like, 413 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: I'll take it. Whatever you want, I'll come. So that 414 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: was basically it. And you know, the tough thing was 415 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: gonna be, uh, breaking the news to my girlfriend of 416 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: eight years. And I remember I was going out there 417 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: June thirteenth and it was Memorial Day and I still 418 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: hadn't told her, and my cousin broke the news to. 419 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: Didn't mean to, but like, what do you think of sallying? 420 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god? And I was just like I could 421 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: just tell without hearing it. I could just see the 422 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: body language in the backyard they were going. They were 423 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: laying out on a blanket, and I was like, oh, 424 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: that's it. I'm dead. I am absolutely dead, seeing like 425 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: why the fun Why wouldn't you tell me? She's screaming 426 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: at me. I was like, why wouldn't I tell you 427 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: because of this look how you're behaving and which I 428 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: thought was funny at the time but did not make 429 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: things any easier. Um, But I did go there, and 430 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, we had the East Coast, the long distance 431 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: relationship that it didn't work out, you know, for for 432 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: many reasons. But I'm glad I did. And I remember 433 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how I can make it work. 434 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Um doing the l A job writing the sports editorials 435 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: from New York. But I was like, I gotta, I 436 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: gotta stay here in LA. This is ridiculous. It's so 437 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: much it's so much easier to be unemployed or semi 438 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: employed in l A, New York. But I would recommend 439 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: if you're looking to make a big departure from whatever 440 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: you've done, if it's law or whatever else, don't don't 441 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: feel indebted to the tet and do it because it's 442 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: always gonna be worse down the road's gonna be tougher 443 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: to you have one kids, You're gonna have three kids, 444 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be and then you'll never get away. 445 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: So I think it's important to um, just trust your 446 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: instincts when it comes to these So, what was your salary. 447 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Remember what you made when you moved to l A 448 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: and where did you live. So I was I made 449 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand, five hundred dollars as a lawyer a year, 450 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: and then I moved there and my cousin Jimmy gave 451 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: me all the money for the sports editorials, and that 452 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: was a hundred dollars a day, uh five days a week, 453 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: so that's what like almost twenty five grand year. And 454 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: I was really just I was really just doing these 455 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: sports editorials and I wasn't doing anything else. I'm like, hey, 456 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: actually get like a bartending job, and and my cousin 457 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy is like, no, no, no, because it's all perception. 458 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: If people see you as a bartender, then you'll be 459 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: labeled a bartender. I was like, all right, but I could. 460 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: I could really use the extra money try to figure 461 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: something else out. But then, like I said, when Ben signed, 462 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: money came on and he hired me on as a writer. 463 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: Not a writer of the questions, but I would help 464 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: him with jokes. I had always done like um character 465 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: bits for him on his radio shows wherever he bounced 466 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: around two, so I could do voices and write bits 467 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: and everything. So when he was interviewing contestants. We would 468 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: figure out together what the funniest things about them were 469 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: and uh, and then he came up with The Man Show. 470 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: I think The Man Show overlapped with when Ben Stein's Money, 471 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: and I was one of the writers on that show, 472 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: and that was the best time. I think that was 473 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: the best time in my life. I really think it. Well, 474 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean you could if you have to ask answer 475 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: the best time in your life. It sounds shitty if 476 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: you say it's when you didn't have kids, but but 477 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have kids. That was the best time in 478 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: my life. That was a Telgate party in the parking 479 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: lot before every episode and just people, crazy people, and 480 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: you know, when it was acceptable to look at girls, 481 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: girl were there are plenty. So I loved I loved 482 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: The Man Show. I watched Ben Stein's Money back in 483 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: the day, like because I remember that coming on and 484 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: being popular, and I loved watching that show. But then 485 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: I loved The Man Show. I mean I loved everything 486 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: about it. I thought it was hysterical. I still think 487 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: it's a sterical, which you're not supposed to think that 488 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: it's hysterical anymore now because everything's like offensive, But so 489 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: how does that show end up happening? So, like, how 490 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: does the pitch happen? How does the pilot have I'm 491 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: genuinely curious because you were there as that process is 492 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: going on. When did Jimmy meet Adam Corolla? When did 493 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: you meet Adam Coroll? Like, how does that show happen? 494 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: Jimmy was so Jimmy was a sports guy on k Rock, 495 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: was popular radio show a station out here, and he 496 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: got into a mix up with the engineer, this guy Michael, 497 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: Michael the maintenance man. He was the engineer of the 498 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: radio program, and they decided to uh have a fight, 499 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: like a boxing match. I think they called this the 500 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: Bleat and they're gonna cell tickets to it, and all 501 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: the fans were gonna go, and Jimmy wanted wanted to 502 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: be trained by somebody, and Adam Carolla answered the ad 503 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: or called in or something and showed up to train 504 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: Michael the maintenance man, the other guy. But Jimmy answered 505 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: the door Rock to let him in and then spoke 506 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: to him. And you know, because Adam was a boxer, 507 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: he like he was. He's actually a good boxer. He 508 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: actually trained people himself and he made a boxing movie 509 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: called the Hammer, which is pretty good, and uh, Jimmy's 510 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: talking to him. He's like, Wow, this guy is really funny. 511 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: He's like, screw Michael, maintenance man, you're gonna train me, 512 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: and uh he did, and I think Jimmy lost. It 513 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: was it was unspectacular fashion, but they came. They became 514 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: fast friends from there, and then Adam started doing characters 515 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: on k Rock and and that's where it started. And 516 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: then they came up with the idea for the Man Show. 517 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: They were like, you know, let's just do something from 518 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: our point of view. This will be fun. We'll do 519 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: a tongue in cheek, but I think guys will go 520 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: crazy for it. And they pitched at Michael Davies, who 521 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: had gotten Jimmy the job on Ben Stein's money, heard 522 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: their pitch and loved it. And he was one of 523 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: the executives at ABC at the time. He was the 524 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: guy behind, Uh, he was the guy behind who wants 525 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: to be a millionaire? Right and all that. Yes, that 526 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: was a little bit before This was a little bit 527 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: before that, but he was already getting some juice and he, 528 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, he had the ear of the big executives 529 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: at ABC, and ABC paid for the pilot for The 530 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Man Show, and um, it was the Tuesday before the upfronts. 531 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: It was on the docket. It was gonna be on 532 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: a Saturday at ten o'clock. And then the story that 533 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: we heard is that, uh, Michael Eisner went in a room, 534 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: saw the pilot and then walked out like six minutes later. 535 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: This is this is not for network television. And they 536 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: had like fifteen pages of notes and everyone was bummed out. 537 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: But uh, Comedy Central jumped right in and say, hey, 538 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: this is kind of exactly what we're looking for. And 539 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy had known Matt and Trey also that Mat Stone 540 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: and Trey Parker and you know South Park was big, 541 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: so he got an in at Comedy Central and yeah, 542 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: that's how it all started. Okay, so what is your 543 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: role then? So the demand show gets picked up and 544 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, how many years had you been in l 545 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: A at that point? So it wasn't even a year 546 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: I think it was. So your timing was your timing 547 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: was incredible, right, I mean you get to l A 548 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: and then boom you're writing on demand show. So what's 549 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: the what's the life like? You were just kind of 550 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: give us a description, but what's the lifelike at that 551 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: time for The Man Show. You guys tape how often, 552 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: like what's your day to day when you're writing for 553 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 1: The Man Show. I mean it was so I mean 554 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: everything about it was great because it's a bunch of 555 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: like at the time, I think I was in my 556 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: late twenties, and it's a bunch of guys my age 557 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: or maybe a little older, and we're just like high 558 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: school idiots growing around far jokes and other uh you know, 559 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: uh the other ideas Lincoln, just a bunch of machismo 560 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: going around. And we had, like you said, scantily girls 561 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: on jumping on trampoline willfully. And you know, no one 562 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: really was No one said a bad word about it either, 563 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: like I said a different time, And it was just great. 564 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: It just wasn't We had one show a week, one 565 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: thirty minute show a week. Oh my god. So all 566 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: the all the tape bits we could you know, we 567 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: can get edited them down to however short we wanted to. 568 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: It could be perfect. You know, there was no stress. 569 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: We would go out every night. It was a great job. 570 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: It really was. So how long did you do that? 571 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: So then I wrote on that for three years and 572 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: then I took over for well there was a girl, 573 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Nancy Pimental took over for Jimmy hosting Ben Stein's Money, 574 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: and then I got a crack at it, crack at it, 575 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: and I got the audition. I beat out Will Wheaton 576 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: of Star Trek Fame. I think although he was stand 577 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: by me right, it was down to see me and 578 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: will Leeton. He was the main character and stand by 579 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: me and uh and I got it and uh yeah, 580 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: I hosted that and Ben is you would love then. 581 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: By the way, next time you come out here, we 582 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: have to grab a dinner. Yeah, ju Lean, you know 583 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: you lean the same way politically, I think a lot 584 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: of them on a lot of issues. And he is 585 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: just a great guy, but a super sore loser. I 586 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: mean the stories that we have to explain. I mean 587 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: he would win of the games. He would go against 588 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: three contestants, which would then get narrowed down to one 589 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: contestant in the final round, and they put him, if 590 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: you've never seen the show, in an isolation booth against 591 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: the contestant. They get ten questions for sixty seconds, very 592 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: tough questions, and he would typically get seven or eight 593 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: out of ten, and the contestant would get three or four, 594 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: but if he lost, and if he lost the first game, 595 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: it was a bad day. It was like we did 596 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: four games a day. We would take four shows a day, 597 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: and if he lost the first one, he would stay 598 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: in his dressing room for about two and a half hours. 599 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: So I was like I would always pray, like, please, please, 600 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: just lose the last show of the day, because you 601 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: can't win all of them, because then the show is 602 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: like done, no one's gonna watch it. But if you're 603 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna lose, just lose the last one so we could 604 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: all go home. But once once he would lose the 605 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: first one and they would pay the audience members to 606 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: be out there there was It was basically they would 607 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: bust in a group of meth addics that would pay 608 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: like fo dollars to watch from the whole day. But 609 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun then. It was a 610 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: great guy. Be sure to catch live editions about Kicked 611 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: the coverage with Clay Travis week days at six am 612 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: Eastern three am Pacific. We're talking to at the Cousinsal 613 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: on Twitter. This is a wins and Lost this podcast. 614 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: I am Clay Travis. Make sure you go follow so 615 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: out tell him how much your loving this podcast on 616 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: his on his Twitter feed. So you're there, you do 617 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: wind Binstein's and then what happens next, Um, well that's 618 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: what eleven happens next that that has only do with 619 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: but just to give it a timeline, and I I'm 620 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: getting married a few months after. All right, well hold on, 621 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: let's go. But let's go back to the Let's go 622 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: back to how you met your wife, because we just 623 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: came out. I brought my wife out to your Halloween party. 624 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: Uh Rachel Bannetta. The whole, the whole show is there, 625 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: with the exception of Todd Ferman who won't get on 626 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: an airplane and fly forty five minutes because it's a 627 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: weekend and he can't be away for forty five minutes 628 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: because that's about how long it takes to fly Vegas 629 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: to l A from games for forty five minutes. So 630 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: we're there, We have an awesome time. Your wife is outstanding, 631 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: but the way you guys met is also pretty pretty fantastic. 632 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: How did you guys meet? So this is um, so 633 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: this is a at the Man show and one of 634 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: our buddy was getting married. Our buddy Donnick, who had 635 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: like a development deal he was a head writer for 636 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: Letterman for many years, and uh he had a development 637 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: deal and uh so he's getting married and that is 638 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: in Mexico and I wasn't even gonna go. I had 639 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: just broken up with my girlfriend. I was like, you 640 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: know what, I don't feel like having fun right now, 641 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: certainly not in Mexican. This is the ones in the 642 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: East Coast that you tried to go long distance with. Okay, 643 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: so you break up with yeah, yeah, right, So I 644 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to be the bad guy, but eventually I 645 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: broke it off or whatever. So I was like, I 646 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: was feeling like a shitty person. I'm like, I'm not 647 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: gonna go celebrate. And then we go, and uh, I 648 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: end up going. Jimmy convinces me a bunch of us 649 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: go out there and we hit a bar called Carlos O'Brien's, 650 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: and uh we ended up naming our dog Carlos O'Brien 651 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: My life and I but he's there with a group 652 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: of girls who were going there, just there on spring 653 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: break from grad school and we meet them and our 654 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: buddy Daniel, who was a master wrangler who actually like 655 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: individually hired each of the Juggie Dance squad girl and everything, 656 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: and uh, he was there and he wrangled, So she 657 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: was part of one group. There were four groups that 658 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: he rounded up and put in cabs at this bar, 659 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: Carlos O'Brien's, and brought them back to this, uh, this 660 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of dis mansion we rented in, uh in Porta Voyarda, 661 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: And so all these girls are there and I just 662 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: end up talking to Melissa and we played tennis. There 663 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: was a tennis court, and nothing happened except that we 664 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: hit it off and we talked all night, and everyone 665 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: was excited that I was looking at another girl. And 666 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: all I knew was that she went to Madison Graduate 667 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: School of Madison and that her last name was Trojanowski, 668 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: which that thought was funny. I was like that, that that 669 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: is pretty amazing. So she's at Wisconsin Madison, she's from Wisconsin, 670 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: and you know, her last name is Trojanowski, and she's 671 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: in grad school there Trojanowski. And Krol was making fun 672 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: of her all nights, like that's a linebackers name for usc. 673 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna hit the splints in a minute. So so 674 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: that's all I knew about her. So then we leave Mexico. 675 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Everyone's mad at me. For not getting her number. I 676 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is a stupid thing. It's not 677 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen anyway. Uh. Coincidentally, one of the 678 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: writers that the mancho was getting married in Chicago, like 679 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: a month later. This was March. He was getting married 680 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: in May and Chicago's but ninety minute drive from from Milwaukee. 681 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: One of the other writers like, hey, why don't you 682 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: take Trojanowski. I was like, well, that's great, but I 683 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: don't have her number or anything, you know. Crazy. He's like, 684 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: if I can get her your number, will you call 685 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: her an inviteer. I was like, yeah, sure, good luck. 686 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: So not as strict as um they are these days. 687 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: I think I think he called like the Burst Star's 688 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: office and they basically gave him her phone number. He 689 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: puts her number on my desk and I was like, oh, 690 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: now I have to do this. So I call her 691 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, I don't want you to think 692 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm stalking you. But and I actually told her exactly 693 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: what happened. I'm like, I didn't know your number, but 694 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I would like to take you to the the you know, 695 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: the wedding here since Cargo, and she was like a 696 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: little freaked out. She's like, uh, I'm gonna have to 697 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: call you back maybe tomorrow. I was like, YEA, all right, 698 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: I totally understand. So then like an hour later, the 699 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: reception is at the Man Show is like, I have 700 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: a Melissa on the phone with you. Melissa was the 701 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: name of my extra for the eight years, and I 702 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh Jesus, this is gonna be bad. And 703 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: I tentatively walked to the phone. I answer it, and 704 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: it was the the Melissa. It's the now Melissa, the 705 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: one I'm married since I would love to go to 706 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: the wedding with you, and we went. We had a 707 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: great time, and we saw each other once a month 708 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: after that for a year, and then she moved out 709 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: to California and we got married. So that that is 710 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: an incredible story. Now you have three kids, three boys, 711 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: uh and uh and and live in l A together. Now, Okay, 712 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: so you uh so you were that the reason why 713 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: I brought that story up, As you said you were 714 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: about to it was nine eleven, happened and you're about 715 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: to get married to her, I think you said. But 716 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: so then what is going on career wise? Yeah, so 717 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: that's it. So then uh, Jimmy is starting, um, Jimmy 718 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Kimmel Alive in January. We had pre production in November, 719 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: so I got married in September, so that was it. Yeah, 720 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: then we started Jimmy Kimmel Alive. We had no guest book. Uh, 721 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: the show was on nine pm. The tape at nine pm, 722 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: which all the publicists like hated, you know, because they 723 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: all have to go. So that's an easy not for 724 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: a lot of publicists just based on the time, you 725 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: know what when the show was starting. Plus Jimmy's Man 726 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: show roots ran deep still then, so it was very 727 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: tough to get a female guest, so he kind of 728 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: had to. You know. The first week, we had Snoop 729 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: Dogg as a co host all week, and we had 730 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: drinking was allowed in the audience, and then someone vomited 731 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: the first night in the audience. And remember Lloyd Braun, 732 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: the president of ABC. It's like, hey, I think we 733 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: have to class this thing up a little bit. And 734 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: little by little we got there. You know, it was 735 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: the twelve o'clock show and we got moved to eleven thirty. 736 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: That was a nice thing and now it's now it's 737 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: pretty polished and you know, clicking on a little sinder cylinder. 738 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: But it was not looking good for a while. It 739 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: really wasn't. So how many people I have no idea 740 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: how a show likes that that works. I'm kind of 741 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: fascinating how many people are writing when you start the 742 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel Show, when it makes its debut. How many 743 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: people are on the writing staff? We had twelve writers, 744 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen writers. I think there's like fourteen now, 745 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: so I think we had eleven or twelve writers. It 746 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: was made up of a whole people of all sorts. 747 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: Like he took some man show riders with him. Uh, 748 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: then we had some Harvard riders. You know, a lot 749 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: of how Harvard lampoon writers end up in late night. 750 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: We had a few of those. Uh. We had a 751 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: female writer which was big at the time. That wasn't 752 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of that going on, you know. Um, 753 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: and so that was it. Yeah, we uh had a 754 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: nice next from everywhere. So you guys will show up, 755 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: what do you what does it take? Like? What is 756 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: putting on a nightly show? Take? You guys would show 757 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: up at what time and start like spitballing ideas for 758 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: that night show, Like what's the day to day at 759 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: that time. Well it's different now. But when we started 760 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: the so the show taped at nine o'clock, it was 761 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: live UH, and someone came and you use the F word. 762 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: I think the guy that played the punisher and standard 763 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: the practices and didn't catch it, and he said it 764 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: like three times and they let it go like two 765 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: other three times and they're like, screw this, you're on 766 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: a UH. You know you're going on a six second delay. 767 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: You're not live anymore. In fact, you're gonna tape earlier. 768 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: So that was that. But so when we take that nine, 769 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: we would get there about eleven and we would spit 770 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: ball ideas from like eleven to one. Jimmy was there 771 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: and then he would narrow it down to like seven 772 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: ideas flash bits that he wanted to go out and 773 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: shoot and UH, and we saw which three or four 774 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: of those worked best. That was we kind of had 775 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: an unlimited budget back then, so they wanted to try everything. 776 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: Like we were spending like thirty thou dollars on an 777 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: act seven. You know, they would send me to the 778 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: UH to Chicago for a bacon eating contest or something. 779 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: So they said, like just try everything and we'll see 780 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: what works. But that's how it would work. Jimmy would 781 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: narrow it down the three um, three ideas for the show, 782 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: and it would be like having topics to write on 783 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: and we would write on those all day and we're 784 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: also watching clips, like Jimmy would uh did like a 785 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: talk soup thing where we had like a lot of 786 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: clips from like reality shows were huge back then. So 787 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: Joe Millionaire was on I don't oh yeah, oh yeah, 788 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: I love Joe Millionaire. Yeah. Unbelievable concept and uh, brilliant 789 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: shows out of its time. Yeah, So we would watch 790 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: all those shows and the writers would watch those shows. 791 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: Now we have TV watchers who are miserable they have 792 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: to watch TV all day, but shows they don't want 793 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: to watch, you know, so um yeah. So we would 794 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: do that and we'd write jokes to clips, and we'd 795 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: write a good ideas and jokes for the topics of 796 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: the day, which were rarely political. Has changed now now? 797 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: Was that more stressful of a job than the Man Show? 798 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: It's obviously you're working a lot more. You got five 799 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: hours or so of programming as opposed to a half 800 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: hour a week. Yeah, definitely what it wasn't it? Wasn't because, yeah, 801 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: you have to get the product on an our product 802 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: and you have, you know, one day to do it, 803 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: and you know that. So if if if edit Bay 804 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: crashes at The Man Show on a Wednesday, when the 805 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: show is Friday or Saturday, you're okay. But if it's 806 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: crashing like an hour before the show and you haven't 807 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: rendered all the graphics for some stupid man on the 808 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: Street bit, you're in trouble. But the one good thing 809 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: about it is uh and Jimmy talked about He's like, 810 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: you gotta just get everything to where you know on 811 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: The Man Show. I wanted it add but because we 812 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: have this crunch time, we have to at least get 813 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: it to and then we happen to know the show 814 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: the next day and the next day and the next day. 815 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: So you have to have realistic, exploit expectations. So it's 816 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: a little less stressful in that respect, but always high 817 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: stress when on a Deli show. So I'm curious on this, 818 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: like your trajectory of doing The Man Show, Ben Stein's Money, 819 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: and even early days of Jimmy Kimmel in a free 820 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: social media era, like it seems like things were a 821 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: lot more free flowing and there was less like anger 822 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: all the time. Did you guys feel that or did 823 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: you people get angry just as much at back then, 824 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: they just didn't have the same forum to voice it. 825 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: And the reason why I asked that is, I'll give 826 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: you an example when I was when I was in college, 827 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: I was an intern in Congressman Bob Clement's office right 828 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: in the Nashville Congressman and I had to open the 829 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: mail and answer the phone. That was my job. And 830 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: so you can imagine answering the phone in a congressman's office, 831 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: people are furious all the time, and opening the mail, 832 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: people are furious all the time. But it was like 833 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: people didn't have a forum to be able to spread 834 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: their fury as rapidly and as expansively, And so most 835 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: of the time we were just like, yeah, that's just 836 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: a crank, right, Like, that's just somebody who's angry at 837 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: the world. You can't take them too seriously. They're the 838 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: kind of person who would call up a congressman's office 839 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: and cuss you out, or the kind of person who 840 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: would write a letter and really let you have it. 841 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: And we're like, that's a small percentage of the overall population. 842 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: Now it seems like and we didn't allow what they 843 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,959 Speaker 1: said to us to dictate the way we behaved. Now 844 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: it seems like we allow those same people to dictate 845 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: what ton of what goes on in our society today. 846 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: So the reason why I'm asking this question is, I'm curious, 847 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: did you guys get angry phone calls and angry letters 848 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: back in the day before people had social media? Like, 849 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: did you ever see any of that? Or has social 850 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: media changed it relative to your experience? And I'm sure 851 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 1: the show's experience. No, I mean it's it's definitely definitely, 852 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: definitely a lot worse now and a lot more stressful, 853 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: and that what you have to react to or what 854 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: you have to decide is a legitimate complaint or you know, 855 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, even with YouTube, we see comments. You know, 856 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: I got can run a hidden camera bit and you know, 857 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people could like it, and then a 858 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: lot of people could just focus on how mean it 859 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: is to you know, like or pick out some racial 860 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: aspect to it that doesn't even exist, but get the 861 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: conversation going, and then you're like, holy crap, but do 862 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: I really have to respond to this? And uh, we 863 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: were in trouble though I will say in the early days, 864 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: when the Pistons beat the Lakers in the uh in 865 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, Jimmy made a comment something to the 866 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: effect of Detroit better hope they don't win, because they're 867 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: gonna burn down the city if they do. And uh, 868 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: this was not good. Detroit was a big affiliate for 869 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: us ABC affiliate. Detroit was huge, and it was bad, 870 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: and he like basically he had like apologize, like it 871 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: was really really snowballed. Uh, to a point where we 872 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: had to do a show, a week of shows from 873 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: Detroit to kind of make amends. And that was all 874 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: he said. That was all he said. That was it. 875 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, they won and they burned the 876 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: city down. We had of cars being overturned for like 877 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 1: sixteen hours, you know, craziness. But it doesn't matter because 878 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: you just don't they don't want that pointed out, so whatever. 879 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: So we had to make nice there. But that was 880 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: a big, big deal. Nowadays, it's just any little thing 881 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: gets blown out of proportion. And you're right, because it 882 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: takes an effort to write a letter. Anyone could send 883 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: out a tweet and in eight seconds and who knows 884 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: who's reading those tweets or how prominent the person tweeting is. 885 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: And and that's that. I mean, you all don't know 886 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: that more than anybody. It's it's ridiculous. Yeah, what I've 887 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: tried to do, and I don't know if it's a 888 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: good thing or a bad thing, but I have tried 889 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: to hopefully just power through and not respond most of 890 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: the time to critics, because look, I'm forty now, I 891 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: have been publicly writing for fifteen years, and I've written 892 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff over fifteen years, right, uh, 893 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's I think it's always crazy. 894 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 1: And you guys have videotapes out there and everything else 895 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: for people to go back through and say, oh, well 896 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: you said in n X or you said in two 897 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: thousand four y or whatever else, like yeah, I you know, 898 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: like um and like anybody else, have different views than 899 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: I might have had when I was you know, twenty 900 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: two or twenty four or thirty four, whatever the math 901 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: might be. But the goal, especially with what you guys 902 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: were doing, is to be funny. And I always think 903 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: we don't look enough at what the intent is behind 904 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: something when people get upset, right, Like, it's almost impossible 905 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: for a comedian to offend me, because the goal of 906 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: the comedian is to make you laugh, and sometimes in 907 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: order to make you laugh, you have to say things 908 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: that are cringe worthy, right, sometimes well beyond the bounds 909 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: of what's acceptable, because you're trying to creatively, uh make 910 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: something new. Right. So I think it's wild that we've 911 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: ended up in this universe where comedians, of all people, 912 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, can you believe that 913 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: Trevor Noah said X or Jimmy back in the day, 914 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: or David Letterman or anybody else? Like this is crazy 915 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: to me, And I feel bad because a lot of 916 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,439 Speaker 1: these comedians end up apologizing for you know, they're fad 917 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: their act and I don't know if they mean it. 918 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: They just, yeah, someone's offended, so you have to apologize, 919 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: but doesn't it's I'm sure it's still funny to a 920 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: lot of these people. And you know, if if the 921 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: times weren't what they are, they would continue on with 922 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: a similar or act. I think some people are grandfathered in. 923 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: We lost Joan Rivers, we lost Don Rickles, all of him, 924 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: like eighteen months, and my friend Jeffrey Ross is the 925 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: rosmaster general him from them, I feel like he's kind 926 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: of grandfathered into the whole thing. But I don't know 927 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: Howard Stern his grandfathered inn. He can stay say pretty 928 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: much anything. Um, it's interesting. Like John Stewart obviously went 929 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: on to Daily Show fame, but before he was famous, 930 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: I remember him coming to g W where I went 931 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: to undergrad, and he did his comedy special there. He 932 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: was like the homecoming uh performer, and he did an 933 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: entire bit on which is kind of similar to how 934 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle recently started his most recent comedy special talking 935 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: about the Michael Jackson incident. But but um, John Stewart 936 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: did an entire bit on how he thought people didn't 937 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,479 Speaker 1: talk enough about how John Benet Ramsey was a pretty 938 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: good looking little girl, right, like an entire bit. And 939 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: it was like at a college, right which nowadays, my god, 940 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: can you imagine somebody doing something like that? And it 941 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: was wildly wildly and insane the inappropriate, But it wasn't 942 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: like anybody in college protested or like said, oh my god, 943 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: this guy could never be a he's a comedian and 944 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,959 Speaker 1: it may be wildly inappropriate, but I kind of think 945 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: that's what comedians are supposed to be that's their role, 946 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: because through satire you can say things that people who 947 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: are trying to be serious cannot say, right like, and 948 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: so the fact that we've lost some of these voices 949 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: or the voices are so chilled, is one of the 950 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: things that drives me the most crazy about about life. 951 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: But I'm sure for what you guys did, I mean, 952 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: when you're sitting in a room spitballing ideas, a ton 953 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,959 Speaker 1: of them end up being inappropriate, but they also lead 954 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: to things that genuinely make people happy, happy and make 955 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: them laugh their asses off. Absolutely. Now let me ask you, 956 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: what would you recommend because because I think you use 957 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: Twitter almost optimally right to your advantage, but I don't know, 958 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: would you recommend that people delete all their tweets? And 959 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,760 Speaker 1: it's such a fascinating it's such a fascinating question. Yeah, Like, 960 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: like if you're comedian who has a show on, uh 961 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, not that Roseanne, not that yeah Roseanne because 962 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: it was a current thing that that got her knocked 963 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 1: out of the box. But would you recommend like why 964 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't you delete all your tweets? Like I'll give you 965 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: an example, like the Guardians of the Galaxy guy, I 966 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: think his name is James Gunn. I don't know if 967 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: you saw my kids love all the Marvel movies, right. 968 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy one and two are absolutely phenomenally 969 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: well done movies. They're funny, they're smart, like, they're perfectly 970 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 1: well crafted. I don't know that guy from Adam, but 971 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: he did such an incredible job on Guardians of the 972 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: Galaxy one and two that I don't care what he's 973 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: ever said in his past. I want him doing Guardians 974 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: of the Galaxy three, all right. And then people go 975 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 1: back through his old tweets and they say, oh my god, 976 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: back in two thousand nine he made this joke which 977 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: is totally inappropriate. And the same thing happened to Kevin 978 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: Hart when he gets the ability to do the oscars right. 979 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: And so the one thing I am somewhat thankful for 980 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: is I only came to Twitter as a like. I 981 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: joined it for my career, so I was always conscious 982 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: of this has got like it's going everywhere, and I wasn't, 983 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, some fifteen year old high school kid making 984 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: jokes with my buddies, you know, like before, and then 985 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: that suddenly I end up doing what I do now. 986 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, I I've I've told my kids this, and 987 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,439 Speaker 1: I would tell any kids who are listening to this now. 988 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: If you are in a public figure, I think when 989 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: you go away to college, you should delete everything that 990 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: you've ever put out onto the Internet and start a 991 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: new and understand that at eighteen, once you become an adult, 992 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: everything's public and you gotta be careful about what you're 993 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: doing there. And if you become somewhat quote unquote famous, 994 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: or you have a public job, like all these athletes, 995 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, I would tell every athlete you know, Dante 996 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: DiVincenzo wins the m v P of the Final Four, right, 997 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: and then people find out that he's tweeted out lyrics 998 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: to uh a Meek Mill song like when he was 999 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: fifteen years old that's supposedly offensive now. Or Josh Allen's 1000 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: about to be drafted by the Bills and people go 1001 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: back through and they're like, oh my god, you know 1002 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,720 Speaker 1: he used an inappropriate word when he was fourteen or fifteen. 1003 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: All of those guys, If I were running a college, 1004 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: I'd be like, you're wiping all your social media clean 1005 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: the day you sign a day you sign a scholarship 1006 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: with us, right, Well, let me ask you this Uh, 1007 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: let's say someone approached you. Let's keep it to you 1008 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,399 Speaker 1: right now. Let's say someone approached you and said, hey, 1009 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: you have twenty four hours to go through your Twitter 1010 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: and delete whatever you tend passed that you think might be, uh, 1011 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: might be a little over the edge. Otherwise we're gonna 1012 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,359 Speaker 1: dig it out. We're gonna scrutinize you for it. How 1013 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: many of those do you do? Do eat any of them? 1014 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,240 Speaker 1: Or do you stand by your do you stick your grounds? 1015 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: I think I'd stick my ground, But that's only because 1016 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: I've been public since. I mean, look, people have gone 1017 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: back through my old tweets, Like I said that, uh, 1018 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,359 Speaker 1: DeMarcus Cousins would get arrested one day because he got 1019 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: a couple of double technicals and got kicked out of 1020 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: a game at Vanderbilt, And I was like, he'll get 1021 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: arrested within five years. And people go back through and 1022 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: search through my old tweets and everything else. I first 1023 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: of all assumed that people have all if you hate me, 1024 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: and this is really funny to think about. But I 1025 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: just love the idea of somebody who hates me, like 1026 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: typing in my name and looking for bad words that 1027 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: I might have used. Over the last decade. Right, So 1028 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't delete very much. I've sent a hundred thousand tweets. 1029 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: But again, I was aware that I was a public figure, 1030 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,919 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be really that, I'm not concerned about 1031 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: somebody going back through my old tweets. It happens. Um. 1032 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,959 Speaker 1: The only thing I delete is if, like I put 1033 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: something out that I that later becomes untrue, Like sometimes 1034 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: people will be like, hey, uh, you know, like I 1035 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,359 Speaker 1: don't know this guy is gonna sign with with so 1036 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: and so, and then it turns out that it's not true. 1037 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: Rather than have people constantly spread something that I tweeted 1038 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: and commented on that was untrue, like factually untrue, Like 1039 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: I'll delete those, but otherwise just opinions like I don't 1040 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: do what about you? Have you gone back and like 1041 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: had somebody like go through. So you'd rather be than wrong, Yeah, 1042 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 1: I would a hundred percent. I'd rather be offensive than wrong. 1043 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: And that's a big deal to me, right, Like, I'm 1044 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: okay if my opinions end up being wrong, if I 1045 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: look like an idiot on an opinion, but if you 1046 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: I get upset at myself if I'm on the radio 1047 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: or if I'm on this podcast and I get a 1048 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: fact wrong. That bothers me because to me, in order 1049 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: for me to believe in my opinion, I have to 1050 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: build it on a structure of factual accuracy, right, So 1051 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: you may not agree with where I end up. And 1052 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that troubles me about society 1053 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: today is that we don't have a common basis of 1054 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: facts anymore. It seems like people just make up the 1055 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: the the underlying facts and then they reach opinions. And 1056 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: to me, I'm fine with opinions, but they have to 1057 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: be rooted in some form of reality. For instance, if 1058 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: you if you told me, well Tom Brady has thrown 1059 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,360 Speaker 1: more interceptions than he has touchdowns and therefore I like 1060 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys to win this weekend, I'll be like, well, no, 1061 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: that that's not like you can't have that argument, right, 1062 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: But it feels like that we're having the equivalent of 1063 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: those arguments a lot now, where they're base and unsound facts, 1064 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: and then they lead to even more ridiculous opinions. I'm 1065 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,959 Speaker 1: fine with crazy opinions as long as they have facts 1066 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: based on it, And I really genuinely don't care about 1067 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: offending anybody, right, Well, I I I don't except that, 1068 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, I got a family to raise, and you 1069 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,959 Speaker 1: know you don't want the sponsors going away, and worse 1070 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 1: than that, you don't want crazy people coming to your 1071 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: house finding out where you live. Yeah, right, so yeah, 1072 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: I am always thinking about it. I hate that, you know, 1073 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: you're you're creatively blocked by that. But I'm do lying 1074 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,879 Speaker 1: if I didn't say I had to soft and talk 1075 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: a little bit or think a little bit before I said. 1076 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: I think years ago the I had money on USA 1077 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,439 Speaker 1: versus Puerto Rico in the some some some exhibition game 1078 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: and USA lost and everyone knew I had bet it, 1079 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: and I wrote something like Puerto Rico, so want Puerto Rico, 1080 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: we still own you? We literally Yeah, And I don't 1081 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: think I ever got more trouble now, my got shit, 1082 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta never of this. I'm getting death threats, 1083 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: like right, So, at what point do you you know 1084 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,239 Speaker 1: I brought up Matt and Trey before, and they were 1085 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, what what was it that? What was there 1086 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: big thing where they they put up like they put 1087 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: up the mohammed right, Like wasn't that like they they 1088 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: had they had a character and like I mean, that's 1089 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: what they killed those guys for. Charlie hebno or whatever 1090 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,279 Speaker 1: in France. In France and France, that's right. So they 1091 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: those guys push it to the limit, and God bless them. 1092 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 1: Like I don't know how they they do it, but 1093 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,360 Speaker 1: I think they're they're doing far between those guys and 1094 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: everybody else. I'll tell you this, this is the one 1095 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: thing that that that troubles me. You mentioned the wife 1096 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,879 Speaker 1: and kids and were similar, and that you've got three 1097 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: boys and I've got three boys. I genuinely don't care 1098 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,759 Speaker 1: what anybody says about me, and you can say that's 1099 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: a flaw like I don't. My wife is like, I 1100 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,879 Speaker 1: don't know how you ended up with like that as 1101 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: part of your makeup, But I just it doesn't impact 1102 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: me in any way, right, It just like it goes 1103 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: right over my right, off my shoulders, right over my head, 1104 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 1: whatever else. But soon after I started working at Fox 1105 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,879 Speaker 1: Spike five or six years ago, somebody, well, I bought 1106 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,839 Speaker 1: my first house in Nashville under my name. You could 1107 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: type it in you could see exactly where we lived. 1108 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: I was, not, in my opinion, a public figure at 1109 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,839 Speaker 1: the time. We lived right downtown. Anybody could drive right 1110 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: up to my house, get out, ring the doorbell, knock 1111 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: on the door, whatever else. And when I started working 1112 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: at Fox, UM, I had an opinion. I don't remember 1113 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: what the opinion was, but it was out there that 1114 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 1: somebody didn't like. It was. It was about a football game, 1115 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, like who's gonna win a football game or 1116 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: coach is not good? And there was a guy on 1117 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 1: Twitter who took to Twitter and he uh screened, he 1118 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: searched out where I lived. He tagged me and my 1119 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: wife on Twitter, and he had a Google image of 1120 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: my house that he had taken and he said, we 1121 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: know where you live, and we know when you're in 1122 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: l A and your wife is home with the kids 1123 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: by yourself. And so to me, like when now I 1124 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: saw that, I'm like, first of all, I'm a you know, 1125 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: a steadfast First Amendment guy. But I believe that the 1126 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: guy who tweeted that should go to jail, right Like, 1127 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,520 Speaker 1: I think that that person should be prosecuted to the 1128 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,760 Speaker 1: fullest extent of the law, and I think he should 1129 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: go to jail. I think that's way beyond the bounds 1130 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: of acceptable discourse. All those things. But when we bought 1131 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: a new house, uh, my wife, like, I don't know, 1132 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: a couple of a year and a half later or whatever. Um, 1133 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 1: she was like, I want to buy a new house, 1134 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: and we bought in a place where you know, like 1135 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: we didn't buy it under our own name. Uh, you 1136 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: can't look it up easily. Um, it's not like we're hiding. 1137 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 1: It's not like we're in some like you know, undisclosed location. 1138 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,240 Speaker 1: But that's the only thing that really bothers me about 1139 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: the world that we live in now is I do 1140 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: worry about crazy people, not so much for me, but 1141 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: in some way trying to do something to my wife 1142 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: or my kids. And that, to me is the really 1143 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: biggest downside of being in any way a public figure. 1144 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: And I'm far down the list. But you just don't. 1145 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: You can't stop crazy, right, And so that's the thing 1146 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: that probably is the only thing that worries me about 1147 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: having any kind of public life. Well, I think the 1148 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 1: thing that helps is how is Laura with that? Is 1149 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 1: she is your wife? Does she liked, don't worry about it. 1150 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,880 Speaker 1: We can't give into this stuff. Keep doing what you're doing. 1151 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 1: Or is she yeah, my wife is my wife is yeah, 1152 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,439 Speaker 1: my wife is tougher than I am. So I mean, 1153 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: now she is like any wife, Like she doesn't listen 1154 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: to the radio show because she's like, I worry so 1155 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: much about you because I don't say anything different on 1156 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,840 Speaker 1: the radio than I say to her. But she's like, 1157 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: I worry so much about in this day that we 1158 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: live in that you say exactly what you think every day, 1159 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 1: and every time you talk, I'm like, oh my god, 1160 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: don't say that. Somebody's gonna be upset by that. And 1161 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: I totally understand it. I think it's like being a 1162 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: parent watching a sporting event, like it's not that much 1163 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: fun if you're if your kid is like in a 1164 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: really tight game, because you're not only watching the game 1165 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: hoping they win, but you're like, oh, I hope they 1166 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: don't screw up, right, Like I don't want I don't 1167 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,440 Speaker 1: want to, you know. So I think that's kind of 1168 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: the way that she deals with what I do. What 1169 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: about your wife, like does she how did how does 1170 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: she respond to this kind of stuff? Because she's got 1171 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: a great sense of humor. And I think both of 1172 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: our wives would not have ended up with us if 1173 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: they didn't have really good sense of the humor and 1174 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,359 Speaker 1: also be pretty tough in terms of what we can 1175 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: say to them relative to what maybe other women might 1176 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: be upset by. Yeah she does, and like you know, 1177 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,240 Speaker 1: but but you know, all it takes is one idiot 1178 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: in one comment that she runs fast, and I remember, 1179 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: like you know, it all comes down to the house 1180 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,320 Speaker 1: specific and you gave a specific example about the person 1181 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 1: knowing where you live and knowing when your wife and 1182 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,839 Speaker 1: kids are home alone. And that's what bugs you when 1183 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: they know the specifics. And like, you know, on New 1184 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 1: Year's Eve, I think I did something to someone in 1185 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,399 Speaker 1: a hidden camera and offend and like it and uh 1186 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: and they listened in the comments section, I think of 1187 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,360 Speaker 1: YouTube like you deserve to die and you are going 1188 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: to die on the four oh five New Year's Eve, 1189 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 1: so just watch out. And I was like, shit, I 1190 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,240 Speaker 1: am going to be on the four or five. That sucks. 1191 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: I really Now I have to drive, you know, it 1192 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: takes an hour to get ten miles anyway. Apter now 1193 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: go out of my way? What do I what do 1194 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,960 Speaker 1: I think about this? So? And you know, my cousin 1195 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy gets it much worse, and they get much because 1196 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,320 Speaker 1: he goes after Trump every night and there are people 1197 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: or on the other side. But you know, like my 1198 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: name Volve kids and his kid went through something terrible, 1199 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: horrible surgery when he was very young, and then when 1200 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,280 Speaker 1: they bring him into it, it's like, oh my god, 1201 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,799 Speaker 1: what what are we doing here? This is uh, this 1202 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 1: is really almost round it just like delete Twitter altogether. 1203 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what Twitter does anymore either. I have 1204 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: overtown a thousand followers and you have more than that. 1205 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,000 Speaker 1: But I needed people to show off the bar a 1206 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,359 Speaker 1: Raiders bar. A couple of weeks ago. I'm like, hey, 1207 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: four o'clock, you'll be on Fox pregame show. Maybe there's 1208 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: tenant for you, not one fucker show. It is it is. 1209 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: It is frustrating and um, and I almost feel like 1210 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,839 Speaker 1: there needs to be a sort of a national round 1211 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: table where you're like, hey, it's almost like the mafia 1212 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: got together and they're like, hey, you can say whatever 1213 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,920 Speaker 1: you want about us, but you know, wives and kids 1214 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: are off limits. Like, let's kind of come up with 1215 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: a re in approximation of what the rules should be 1216 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: and uh and just have people naturally agree to them. 1217 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges we've got going on 1218 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: right now is the technology is so far ahead of 1219 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: the moral code and What I mean by that is 1220 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: like we had eons to figure out, hey, don't kill 1221 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: each other, you know, like, and then we had we 1222 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: understood that rule, and we could apply it for guns, 1223 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 1: and we could apply it for billy clubs, and we 1224 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 1: could apply for whatever weapon was coming down the pike. Right. 1225 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: Nobody really knows how to respond to social media, and 1226 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 1: so you know, how do you kind of craft a 1227 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: functional moral code and put it into ordinary speech. And 1228 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: the example I use is, I have never in my 1229 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,680 Speaker 1: entire life, and you may be shocked by this, but 1230 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: it's true. I've never in my entire life had a 1231 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: single person ever come up to me and say I 1232 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: hate you and I want to punch you right now, 1233 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: like you are the worst human being on the planet. 1234 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: I have like, yeah, yeah, other than the people that 1235 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: I already know, but I have that happened to me 1236 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 1: fifty times every day on social media, and yet in public, 1237 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 1: I've never had a single And the exact opposite is true. 1238 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: In public people come up to me and they're always like, 1239 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: I absolutely love everything that you say, Please never change 1240 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: be the exact person that you are now. Um, and 1241 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: they've even had it, doesn't have it happens every now 1242 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: and then because I don't block that many people. But 1243 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,800 Speaker 1: I'll have people come up to me and they'll say, hey, 1244 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,919 Speaker 1: you blocked me like two years ago. I'm a huge fan. 1245 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,240 Speaker 1: I was really drunk. I'm sorry that I sent you 1246 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 1: all those tweets after we've lost a game that you 1247 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 1: told me to bet on or whatever. Because I'll just 1248 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: if somebody tweets me like ten things in a row, 1249 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: I just block them right like, I'm like, I don't 1250 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: want to get and this is not you know, like 1251 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: um and so. But even that, like people come up 1252 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: and they're basically acknowledging, yes, you know, I kind of 1253 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 1: violated the moral code. It won't happen again. And so 1254 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 1: I think it's so fake, it's just so artificial. And 1255 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: that's why letting it drive our country in any way 1256 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: is I think a broken fundamental aspect of what we 1257 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 1: do right. And I get that too. I get the 1258 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,640 Speaker 1: same thing. Uh, I'll get like, you know, try to 1259 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 1: get the Twitter woman. Then I'll rarely respond, but then 1260 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: I will, and I'll be angry. And I like to 1261 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 1: a setting cousin sounds a big fan, I've been listening 1262 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,840 Speaker 1: to you. So I was like, yeah, just be like 1263 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,880 Speaker 1: this then. But I think you're right. It's the same 1264 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 1: computer towards approach through in the airport. So do have 1265 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: like a zero percent And I think this should be 1266 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,440 Speaker 1: a challenge for anybody, but zero percent of those who 1267 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,960 Speaker 1: are bandmouthing you online approach you and tell you to 1268 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 1: your face. But if that were like, I would make 1269 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,600 Speaker 1: life unbearable, right, yeah, yeah, we'll be okay. It's not 1270 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: only that. I think it's the people come up and 1271 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,439 Speaker 1: they want a picture, you know, like they're like, I'll 1272 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: fight you if I ever see you in person, and 1273 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,040 Speaker 1: then when they actually see you in person, they say, hey, 1274 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,080 Speaker 1: can I get a picture with you? And so it's 1275 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: like it's it's just fundamentally totally different. Fox Sports Radio 1276 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 1277 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,919 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com 1278 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f s 1279 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: R to listen live. All Right, So, uh, I've kept 1280 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:02,960 Speaker 1: you on here for a while. On Clay Travis is 1281 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: wins and Lasses. We're talking to at the cousinsal on Twitter. 1282 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: So what's next for you? Like you're on Thursday Night Football? 1283 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Now we've got lock it in rolling. You've been a 1284 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 1: gambler your whole life, which I haven't even hardly asked 1285 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,440 Speaker 1: you about. Do you like gambling now more since your 1286 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,880 Speaker 1: picks are out there publicly or did you like gambling 1287 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 1: more before people knew your picks? I like to before 1288 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,080 Speaker 1: about the threats and everything, Like I once, uh, you know, 1289 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 1: I was on the ESPN. I picked for two years 1290 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,040 Speaker 1: on Thursday nights on Sports Center, and I was I picked, 1291 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: like my best pet's correct and and I was, and 1292 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: I was like after they fired me and before I 1293 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: had this show, I was like, oh, maybe I'll just 1294 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,640 Speaker 1: sell my picks. You know. Then you find out at 1295 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,160 Speaker 1: the shady a scummy business and you need to be 1296 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,680 Speaker 1: a salesman as much as you do. You know, pick 1297 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,920 Speaker 1: games right do you have to? You know reuf the 1298 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,440 Speaker 1: packages and everything. And then I'm like, what pretty much 1299 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting death threats. You're giving out picks for free? 1300 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Is I'm ar thing people like I can't do this, 1301 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: you know so but now so but anyway, we're giving 1302 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,800 Speaker 1: off picks online and yeah, we get a lot of 1303 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,280 Speaker 1: grief and I do. I was I was gonna ask 1304 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,320 Speaker 1: you this to like, how does watching the game now 1305 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: compared to ten years ago, compared to twenty years ago. 1306 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I really think I liked it when I first moved 1307 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,480 Speaker 1: out to l A. And I was at my knees 1308 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,600 Speaker 1: and my parlas and everything else and the root for 1309 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: my cowboys. But it was still a simpler time. And 1310 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 1: now there's just like so much pressure to keep up 1311 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,760 Speaker 1: with social media and I tweeting him out kind of 1312 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,960 Speaker 1: sun there, am I tweeting too much? Why didn't I 1313 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: cover this? So it is very hectic. Obviously I made 1314 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: to learn out of it somehow, the Supreme Court, God 1315 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,920 Speaker 1: blush a state by state, We're getting there. But I 1316 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,720 Speaker 1: definitely missed the viewing experience in football um back like 1317 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: uh like twenty years ago. I definitely like having the money. 1318 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 1: I remember there was a time you have Harry, my 1319 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 1: friend Harry. Uh we went to college together. You have 1320 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,400 Speaker 1: him on your day. We would lose a lot of money. 1321 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 1: We were done a lot, And I remember are a 1322 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,560 Speaker 1: quick Harry story at a Swigo We were down thousands 1323 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: of dollars to the local bookie who took a liking 1324 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,680 Speaker 1: to us and let us for six dollars. A game 1325 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: referee the erect league, like twelve year old thirty year 1326 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,040 Speaker 1: old boys basketball league we was in. At three. I 1327 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: was like, all right, we're gonna have to reames here. 1328 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 1: We're just never gonna do it. So we showed up 1329 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: and then we started betting each other on the games. 1330 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,800 Speaker 1: We were refting, so we were terrible would be like 1331 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: charge calls out of nowhere, and we did this for 1332 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 1: three games. We were like further in debt with each other. 1333 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,640 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. Then the parents started getting mad and 1334 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: we have fired from the job. So it was always snowball. 1335 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: But um, but luckily I don't have that problem except 1336 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,080 Speaker 1: for a dumb that with you every now and then, 1337 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to think of another one. Uh. I 1338 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,720 Speaker 1: could at least cover my losses thanks to Yeah, what 1339 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: did your wife say when you lost? We lost almost 1340 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,760 Speaker 1: sixty dollars um betting on the Saints For people who 1341 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,959 Speaker 1: don't know, the Saints lost over that awful non pass 1342 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,200 Speaker 1: interference call against the Rams. What did your wife say 1343 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:09,120 Speaker 1: when she realized that that you had lost twenty seven k? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1344 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 1: hopefully she's not yeah yeah, hopefully you wont uh. You know, 1345 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: the original ticket we added ears or something on it, 1346 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 1: and then you know, we bought it because it was 1347 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: it was haying off and I think I think she 1348 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,800 Speaker 1: thinks that's what we paid or split or something. But 1349 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: my wife thought that. She saw the picture of the 1350 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: ticket and onto social media and she was like, Okay, 1351 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,160 Speaker 1: it's not that bad. And then she was like she 1352 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 1: later heard us talking about She's like, wait, did you 1353 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 1: lose twenty seven thousand dollars and say, yeah, I wasn't. 1354 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about that right now. Um, 1355 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: But so it is interesting to think about how quickly 1356 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,840 Speaker 1: everything has moved there. And I think you were saying, 1357 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 1: doing my tweeting enough now. No, I pretty much have 1358 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 1: decided almost that Twitter is gonna be my forum. Like 1359 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: I'll go on Instagram sometimes, but I don't really think 1360 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,720 Speaker 1: people want to look at pictures of me, So I 1361 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,680 Speaker 1: don't want to end up being the old guy who's 1362 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,080 Speaker 1: trying to keep up with TikTok and instagram men snapchat 1363 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,200 Speaker 1: and everything else. Like if Twitter dies, I'll probably be like, 1364 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,920 Speaker 1: you know what, that was a good run that I had. 1365 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: It kind of helped me grow my audience a little bit, 1366 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,640 Speaker 1: but I don't need to be on you know, like 1367 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,000 Speaker 1: and what was the uh the thing on Office where 1368 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: the guy had like fifteen different things all connected where 1369 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,320 Speaker 1: you're constantly communicating. Yeah, which was just such a great, 1370 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 1: such a great show. But it was like wolf Wolf. 1371 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a wolf something or other. Um. 1372 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,840 Speaker 1: But but yeah, so so yeah, it is interesting now 1373 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 1: that people are are paying a lot of attention to 1374 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,640 Speaker 1: the bet So what you're writing a book, right, I am, Yeah, 1375 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 1: throughout this football studs and to knock out like four 1376 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 1: thousand words of leak. But I'm trying to get it. Yeah, 1377 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I have, I realized, have enough gambling stories to the 1378 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 1: last four. But yeah, it's fun. That's uh, you know, 1379 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:50,960 Speaker 1: you have to not sit down and knock it out. 1380 01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,600 Speaker 1: I feel bad because it's like last on my priority list. 1381 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,240 Speaker 1: I try to get sucking out Saturday before the Sunday games. 1382 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: But um yeah, it's it's really weird. But of degenerate 1383 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,640 Speaker 1: I was over the years, really was Harry's. I had 1384 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 1: trouble with that. I had to chase guys that And funny, ironically, 1385 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,520 Speaker 1: I was booking bets and law school. I was going 1386 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,080 Speaker 1: to law school and booking bets and that was like 1387 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: the only time I made money betting myself, which doesn't 1388 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 1: really count as betting yourself. You're taking other people's bets. 1389 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, the the psychology behind it, and you know 1390 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,440 Speaker 1: this is, Uh, people win, they mostly keep their money 1391 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 1: in until they lose. And people lose, they double off 1392 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,880 Speaker 1: until they win, and they never ever do. Now, you're 1393 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,240 Speaker 1: gonna bet once the year during the super Bowl or 1394 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks during the playoffs, you could get lucky. 1395 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,320 Speaker 1: But if you're taking shots twenty one weeks in a 1396 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,800 Speaker 1: row for football, it's likely almost definite that you're gonna 1397 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,960 Speaker 1: be on the minor side. Right. Be sure to catch 1398 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,880 Speaker 1: live editions about Kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week 1399 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,240 Speaker 1: days at six am Eastern three am Pacific. Let me 1400 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,040 Speaker 1: give you a couple more questions here to finish. Thanks 1401 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,439 Speaker 1: for doing this wins and Losses. I'm Clay Travis. He's 1402 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,000 Speaker 1: at the Cousin sal on Twitter. How did you meet 1403 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,400 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons and end up doing the podcast? Was that 1404 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,880 Speaker 1: entirely just through the Chimel writing staff or did you 1405 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,080 Speaker 1: guys know each other beforehand? It always uh, Jimmy had 1406 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 1: roasted Shack, had done a roast of Shack, and Bill 1407 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,320 Speaker 1: had his column on ESPN, and he I think he 1408 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: reviews it. I think he did like a timeline review 1409 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: um of the of the Roast, and he was he 1410 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,000 Speaker 1: wrote a very favorable review of Jimmy, and Jimmy met 1411 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,240 Speaker 1: him online. And then Simmons had this this. He would 1412 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,760 Speaker 1: do ramblings on his column and it would just be 1413 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 1: like two line, uh, like observations on pop culture events 1414 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 1: and Jimmy, He's like, this is kind of what I 1415 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: want from my show. This is what I want for 1416 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,560 Speaker 1: the monologue from my show. And he hired Bill. He 1417 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: brought him out from Boston, which is a big move 1418 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 1: for Simmons and his family to move out here, and 1419 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,560 Speaker 1: we hit it off. We shared an office and hit 1420 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: it off immediately, and we were like wrestling. We all 1421 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: always of course like football and gambling on football. And 1422 01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,320 Speaker 1: then on Monday's we would do we would guess the 1423 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,680 Speaker 1: lines for the next week. We would take the USA. 1424 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,600 Speaker 1: Today we covered up and with guests and we don't 1425 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,680 Speaker 1: even know what We've been like ten hours each who 1426 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,880 Speaker 1: would come closest to the lines to the full flight 1427 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: and then uh, He's like, let's make a podcast out 1428 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,320 Speaker 1: of this. And for fourteen years we've been doing guests 1429 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,400 Speaker 1: a line on Sunday night Monday morning, and people seem 1430 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,400 Speaker 1: to love that podcast, right, Like, I mean, you know, 1431 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,120 Speaker 1: you get people coming up to you all the time 1432 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: who are just familiar with your voice, who haven't even 1433 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,280 Speaker 1: necessarily seen you right through that podcast. I think. So 1434 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,800 Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm known for. Like I could do 1435 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,200 Speaker 1: a million hidden cameras or anything else, but I feel 1436 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,240 Speaker 1: like that's what I'm known for more than anything. Last 1437 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,400 Speaker 1: question for you. Everybody has different directions that they end 1438 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,840 Speaker 1: up in their life that otherwise if they don't take 1439 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,360 Speaker 1: that path, they end up in a totally different different person, 1440 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: maybe a different universe almost. It feels like for me, 1441 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what my life would have been if 1442 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,200 Speaker 1: I hadn't met my wife when I did in law school. 1443 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,120 Speaker 1: She thinks I would have been a total failure. A 1444 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,000 Speaker 1: lot of you may think I'm a total failure anyway, 1445 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,480 Speaker 1: but that's what she believes. Um And you know a 1446 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,320 Speaker 1: lot of spouses probably believed that about their significant others. 1447 01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: But for you, you you talked about being on that bridge 1448 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,000 Speaker 1: and your car catches fire. What would you what would 1449 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: your life be right now if Jimmy doesn't call and say, hey, 1450 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,400 Speaker 1: I got this gig for you. You need to come 1451 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,880 Speaker 1: to l A and take it. Where do you think 1452 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: you'd be? Oh? Man, Uh, I have another cousin in 1453 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Spain who has a late night talk show host. Uh. 1454 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,000 Speaker 1: You know what. I hate to say it, but I'd 1455 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,559 Speaker 1: probably have to run and retrieve that burning up car 1456 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: on the tappan Zee bridge and just head to the 1457 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,360 Speaker 1: next clothing Like I think I would have stuck stuck 1458 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,720 Speaker 1: with law for a while. And uh, and then I 1459 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,720 Speaker 1: would have broken up with a girlfriend and her mother 1460 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,080 Speaker 1: got me the job. So I'd probably have to work 1461 01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,080 Speaker 1: at a shift, working at a dairy barn or something, 1462 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,200 Speaker 1: and I probably would squander three quarters of my paycheck 1463 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,640 Speaker 1: setting three team teasers all week. Honestly, I didn't have 1464 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,760 Speaker 1: high hopes for myself, I really and I wasn't very motivated. 1465 01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,160 Speaker 1: And like I said, I wasn't you know, I was 1466 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,960 Speaker 1: a slave to that law that law school loan. So 1467 01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been pretty let's put it that way. 1468 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot it is interesting, though, so and again 1469 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: the concept of the podcast is wins and losses, encouraging 1470 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,640 Speaker 1: people to at time take risks and also recognize that 1471 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,880 Speaker 1: along the way they're gonna be some failures, but you 1472 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 1: obviously are having a lot of successes now. It's lots 1473 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 1: of fun to work with you. Anything else you would 1474 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: say to people as they roll out who may need 1475 01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,040 Speaker 1: a bit of wisdom here headed into the holidays, No, 1476 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,920 Speaker 1: I just think you know, life's too short to be miserable. 1477 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,360 Speaker 1: You've everyone's heard it before, But just I think it's 1478 01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,799 Speaker 1: one of the two things. If you're gonna be miserable 1479 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,000 Speaker 1: at your job, make enough money so that you can 1480 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,960 Speaker 1: treat yourself right vacation in a couple of weeks a year. 1481 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,000 Speaker 1: And if you're not in there, take a chance, just 1482 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,160 Speaker 1: to roll the dice and take a chance and do 1483 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 1: something that you want to do. Put yourself in the 1484 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,920 Speaker 1: field that you could see yourself excelling in and being 1485 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,479 Speaker 1: interested in going to work for in the next thirty years, 1486 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,160 Speaker 1: because that's what it's all about. You could watch us 1487 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,200 Speaker 1: every single day four thirty Eastern, three thirty Central to 1488 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,800 Speaker 1: thirty Mountain one thirty Pacific on FS one. He's at 1489 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 1: the Cousin Sal on Twitter. I am Clay Travis. This 1490 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: has been the Wins and Losses podcast. We're on every 1491 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,000 Speaker 1: day Cousin sal and I along with Todd Ferman and 1492 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: Rachel Vanetta on FS one on lock it In. Good stuff, 1493 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,439 Speaker 1: my man, I appreciate it, and thanks to all of 1494 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,439 Speaker 1: you out there for listening. I hope you guys are 1495 01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,040 Speaker 1: having great weeks, great years wherever you are. This has 1496 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,160 Speaker 1: been the Wins and Losses Podcast with Clay Travis