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Speaker 3: So let's get into the crypto conversation. Last week a

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Speaker 3: been encouraging news for the crypto community as a whole,

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Speaker 3: so going forward, but they also had an issue as

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Speaker 3: the security issue, and let's also talk about coinbase future

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Speaker 4: I think the security issue is just the penality of leadership.

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Speaker 4: I think Brian handled it pretty well. I think he

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Speaker 4: the leak of the news or the break of the news.

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Speaker 4: So I do like that. As far as them being included,

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Speaker 4: A lot of people were asking does this give crypto

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Speaker 4: if it's the highest return of asset of all time,

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Speaker 1: It's outperforming Bitcoin or you know, bigcoin.

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Speaker 3: Yah crypto or all right, crypto currencies outside of bigcoin,

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Speaker 3: I think they're talking about every other crypto currency outside

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Speaker 4: Most, I think are not institutional assets to hold long term,

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Speaker 1: I think the crypto currency market at large.

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Speaker 4: But as far as a coin business inclusion, I think

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Speaker 3: Obstacles that could potentially happen because of owning the outright cryptocurrency.

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Speaker 3: Micro's strategy is once again that's like a coin based

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Speaker 3: So the micro strategy is something that if Bitcoin returns

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you get in at forty three bucks,

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Speaker 2: What do we think about the appreciation potential for coinbase

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Speaker 2: But I mean, so the security part is part of it.

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Speaker 4: Oh the last note, crypto founders and crypto megal whales,

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Speaker 3: And it's uh two point two billion dollars was stolen

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting this this made news twenty eighteen. Hackers

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Speaker 1: No, in the experts. What is the MAK that's insured?

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Speaker 1: There's no insurance for that short coin base, is what

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but you do need you do need to

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Speaker 3: The vast majority of people is not going to do

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Speaker 3: Most people are not going to have five million dollars

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Speaker 3: right If feel comfortable for five million dollars in josh wab,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see what the encryption is, right,

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Speaker 1: How is that protected while being a target? Yeah? I

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Speaker 2: Right, that's going to be that's the way, right, And

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Speaker 2: For sure, you can see how this technology, especially when

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Speaker 1: How important they will be.

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