Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joining this Friday morning, the start of November
Speaker 1: by Pat fitz Morris and by Derek browd Bellas we
Speaker 1: are into now the third month of the NFL season.
Speaker 1: We are into the second half of the season. Kind
Speaker 1: of that with it not being an even number of weeks.
Speaker 1: It kind of happens in the middle of this week.
Speaker 1: But we are, I mean in the stretch run really
Speaker 1: of fantasy seasons. Remarkable stuff that it goes as fast.
Speaker 1: It feels like it goes faster every year deeper. How
Speaker 1: is your Halloween?
Speaker 2: That's good man.
Speaker 3: I was telling Pat, I had some misgivings or problems
Speaker 3: with I makeup and stuff for my costume. Apparently you
Speaker 3: can be allergic to that thing. Didn't know that until now.
Speaker 3: So I don't know whether to thank really crappy I
Speaker 3: makeup or old age, but one.
Speaker 2: Of them is to blame here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fits, how about you? We talked a bit about
Speaker 1: some of your favorite candies and scary movies yesterday. How
Speaker 1: was your actual Halloweens?
Speaker 4: It was good. So my kids have aged out of
Speaker 4: the trick retreating phase, but you know, we it was funny.
Speaker 4: My wife was like swatting my son's hand, my hand
Speaker 4: as we were going into this big candy bag. She
Speaker 4: was all worried we weren't gonna have enough for the
Speaker 4: trigger treaters and we never get a ton. So of course, like,
Speaker 4: we still have more than half the bag left, and
Speaker 4: now I can have free rein over the kit Kats
Speaker 4: and Reese's Peanut buttercups and Snickers. So yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 3: Pat, Do you not use the tube bowl approach? You
Speaker 3: take out one really fast, dump a little bit in there,
Speaker 3: hide it into the cupboard.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, okay, de Bro, I'm mad.
Speaker 1: I didn't think of the Worther's original joke yesterday when
Speaker 1: we were talking about the favorite candy.
Speaker 2: That's what I didn't know if anybody heard.
Speaker 1: That, and I was mad. I didn't think of myself quickly, Devra,
Speaker 1: because we talked about yesterday with ericson what is your
Speaker 1: favorite candy and your favorite Halloween movie?
Speaker 2: Oh, people hated this. People hated this out on social media.
Speaker 3: It's candy corn Baby, the one I want, the one
Speaker 3: I want of Halloween candy.
Speaker 2: I will not be denied this. It is so awesome.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't have
Speaker 1: candy corn first or last. For me, it's just fine.
Speaker 1: It's a perfectly fine Halloween candy.
Speaker 3: That's a polarizing take, Worm Gottas mentioned it polarizing take.
Speaker 1: And then what about your favorite Halloween movie?
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a really good one. I'm not that much
Speaker 3: of a scary movie boff Man honestly either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, it has to be hocus Pocus one on one,
Speaker 3: that's what Ericson said. Yeah, it has to be hocus Pocus. Definitely.
Speaker 3: That's definitely a banger. Although I will say, uh, before
Speaker 3: we get rolling here, a lot of sequels really suck
Speaker 3: and miss the mark.
Speaker 2: That one that was a good one.
Speaker 1: Hocus Pocus sequel. Yeah, yeah, I've ever seen it. I
Speaker 1: probably haven't. I just don't remember it. So I'm not
Speaker 1: a big scary movie guy either.
Speaker 2: Well, Worm, that one won't scare you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point. I said, scream
Speaker 1: because that's kind of like a parody of scary movies.
Speaker 1: That was my my choice yesterday. All right, but we're
Speaker 1: past Halloween, like, so we're past October, we're past the
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Speaker 1: Before we jump into this week's questions, let's check in
Speaker 1: with Colin Coward and his over under picks for the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Over Under Challenge. Time now for the Week nine
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Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Warmley, joined by Colin Coward. We're talking through
Speaker 1: some of our favorite player picks for this week's slate.
Speaker 1: We will jump right in, but First, I do want
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Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com Slash Challenge Colin. Let's start with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins going up against the Cowboys quarterback sixteen in
Speaker 1: fantasy scoring on DraftKings this season. He does have multiple
Speaker 1: top five finishes so far. Obviously, that five hundred yard
Speaker 1: game was a big one a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He's now facing this Cowboys pass defense allowing eight point
Speaker 1: two yards per attempt and likely know Micah Parsons in
Speaker 1: this one. What do you expect out of Cousins.
Speaker 5: Well, he's made a lot of hay against the Tampa
Speaker 5: Bay Buccaneers and the Carolina Panthers. They come off a
Speaker 5: very emotional game. I think there's gonna be some points
Speaker 5: in this game. I actually I rarely like the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I like him in this spot because Atlanta generates no
Speaker 5: pass rush at all. But I think you have to
Speaker 5: be careful with Cousins. He does generate a lot. If
Speaker 5: you look at his games this year, a lot of
Speaker 5: his production is against Tampa and Carolina. I'm gonna push
Speaker 5: back a little bit in this game. I think it's
Speaker 5: lower scoring than people think. I'll take Dallas to win.
Speaker 1: Do you think maybe Beijeon has a better game on
Speaker 1: the ground for the Falcons than Cousins does through the air.
Speaker 5: I do. I like Beijean a lot. I think Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 5: because that offensive line is very good, has made Kyle
Speaker 5: Pitts better probably than he is. I think he's been
Speaker 5: a huge disappointment. Brock Bowers for the Raiders has been
Speaker 5: everything promised a tight end. Kyle Pitts has been a disappointment.
Speaker 5: I'll always take bijon. Cowboys don't defend the run vigorously,
Speaker 5: so I think if there's a side to take, that's
Speaker 5: the side.
Speaker 1: Another quarterback we wanted to hit on Jalen Hurts going
Speaker 1: up against the Jags. He's quarterback three this season twenty
Speaker 1: one point six fantasy points per game on DraftKings, and
Speaker 1: really has been rounding into form lately in terms of
Speaker 1: his fantasy scoring. QB four in Week seven, QB one
Speaker 1: in Week eight, just last week, and now I was
Speaker 1: facing this Jags defense allowing eight point one yards per
Speaker 1: attempt second worse than the NFL, just just behind the
Speaker 1: Cowboys here. So what do you make of Hurts in
Speaker 1: this one?
Speaker 5: Well, I think what the Eagles have done a nice
Speaker 5: job with is they're really they've closed the boundaries on him.
Speaker 5: He's throwing less and running more, and they realize they're
Speaker 5: leaning into his strength. He is a hyper athletic quarterback.
Speaker 5: Last week, I think he had ten rushes. Only he's
Speaker 5: only throwing like twenty four times a game. So I
Speaker 5: think what he's becoming is a more efficient version. I
Speaker 5: think sometimes off those Shane Stike in years, they would
Speaker 5: see him as a quarterback. They would just kind of
Speaker 5: let him do his thing. AJ Brown, Devonte Smith. But
Speaker 5: I think when you when you close it in a
Speaker 5: little bit, create boundaries and say we're throwing at twenty
Speaker 5: four times, you're running at ten to twelve, he is
Speaker 5: more efficient the turnovers come down. I like Jalen Hurts
Speaker 5: in the spot.
Speaker 1: One of the other players in this week's challenge is
Speaker 1: actually DeVante Smith's in this same game. So let's actually
Speaker 1: jump ahead to him while we're talking about the Eagles. Anyway,
Speaker 1: He's wide receiver twenty three to nine point four fantasy
Speaker 1: points per game on DraftKings this season again facing this
Speaker 1: Jags defense eleven point five yards per catch, that's twenty
Speaker 1: sixth in the NFL. So specifically for DeVante Smith, what
Speaker 1: do you see out of him this week?
Speaker 5: Well, I I like him, you know, and I think
Speaker 5: aj Brown has such a relationship with Jalen Hurts, and
Speaker 5: I think you can see it on film. So I
Speaker 5: always feel like he's their number two pitch and it
Speaker 5: just depends on the coverage. But I almost always like
Speaker 5: him in big spots, and I just don't think Jacksonville's
Speaker 5: very good defensively at all, so I would probably expect
Speaker 5: him to be productive.
Speaker 1: Let's look at a running back here, Josh Jacobs against
Speaker 1: the Lions RB sixteen. On the season, he's run for
Speaker 1: six hundred and sixty seven yards, that's fourth most in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Just hasn't had quite the pass catching or
Speaker 1: the touchdowns to score as many points in fantasy. Facing
Speaker 1: this Detroit rush defense tied for twenty second the NFL
Speaker 1: and yards per carry allowed. Obviously, the state of Jordan
Speaker 1: Love is going to be really important in this one,
Speaker 1: both in terms of the offensive efficiency for the Packers
Speaker 1: and also just in terms of the volume. We saw
Speaker 1: that Week two game where Jacobs carried the ball thirty
Speaker 1: two times when Malik Willis was starting, So you know,
Speaker 1: obviously again there's some gray area here until we know
Speaker 1: for certain on Love trending like he's not going to play,
Speaker 1: at least from what we can tell. But what do
Speaker 1: you make out of Jacobs in this matchup?
Speaker 5: Well, I think they don't know who's going to play,
Speaker 5: and so they have a very good pass protecting offensive line,
Speaker 5: but they may not have their best passer. I think
Speaker 5: green Bay's the side here just because Jared Goff's limping,
Speaker 5: they're on the road, Jared Goff's first outdoor game, and
Speaker 5: Matt Lafleur is an elite schemer, so I think green Bay,
Speaker 5: even though a dog, I think they're the side here.
Speaker 5: My guess is they're going to try to control the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. That's the way to beat Detroit is
Speaker 5: keep Detroit's offense off the field, keep that lion O
Speaker 5: line off the field. And I think the way to
Speaker 5: do that, especially if Malik Willis plays, is with the
Speaker 5: run game. So I expect there to be a real
Speaker 5: accentuation by Green Bay on rushing the football.
Speaker 1: We usually talk about specific players in these segments, but
Speaker 1: just because you mentioned Lafleur and kind of the job
Speaker 1: he's done scheming, he's got to be up there for
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year so far, right, I mean what
Speaker 1: he's done with Jordan Love missing games, you know, on
Speaker 1: multiple different occasions now with multiple injuries. I every year
Speaker 1: I'm more and more impressed by Matt Lafluir.
Speaker 5: Well, it also feels like his team. You know, with
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, you feel like you're complying with Aaron's needs
Speaker 5: and wants. I think once Aaron left, it is now
Speaker 5: Matt Lafleur's offense. And I think he likes the power
Speaker 5: run game. I think this organization drafts and develops at
Speaker 5: a very high clip. So I do feel like he
Speaker 5: has a real footprint on this offense, a real imprint.
Speaker 5: You can see it. And I think for years and
Speaker 5: years we've just kind of given far of an Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers too much credit. And I think Lafleur, to your point,
Speaker 5: is a top five coach.
Speaker 1: Let's wrap up with a couple of receivers here. Malik
Speaker 1: Nahbors is on this week's challenge, going up against the
Speaker 1: Commanders for the second time. That pass defense is playing
Speaker 1: a bit better the last couple of weeks compared to
Speaker 1: how they did early. That Week two game from Neighbors
Speaker 1: was quite a performance. Eighteen targets and Jones only threw
Speaker 1: twenty eight passes in the game. Eighteen of them went
Speaker 1: to Malik Nabors ten catches, one hundred and twenty seven
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown in that Week two matchup. He's
Speaker 1: wide receiver eight and points per game on the season
Speaker 1: by the Neighbors, a little lower since returning from the Kakashia,
Speaker 1: but obviously super talented. What do you think he does
Speaker 1: in this encore against Washington?
Speaker 5: Well, I think without Andrew Thomas, I don't trust anything
Speaker 5: about the New York Giants offense, so I'd be a seller,
Speaker 5: But the Giants defensive line is good enough that they
Speaker 5: get you off the field. I like Washington in this spot.
Speaker 5: It's a rivalry game. I think Washington people view that
Speaker 5: Hail Mary is a miracle win. If you watch the game,
Speaker 5: Washington absolutely outproduced and outplayed the Bears. I think Washington
Speaker 5: win here is big, but I do think that's an
Speaker 5: advantage because New York will trail and that means neighbors
Speaker 5: will get a lot a lot of looks in the
Speaker 5: second half. So if you have an offense and it
Speaker 5: has limitations like the Giants, but you know they trail late,
Speaker 5: watch neighbors have big production.
Speaker 1: Last receiver here, Pooka Nakua back in our Lives after
Speaker 1: missing a large chunk early in the year. Going up
Speaker 1: against Seattle. He was wide receiver twenty two in that
Speaker 1: week eight return from injury, had eleven point one Fantasy
Speaker 1: points on DraftKings. He led the rams and targets and
Speaker 1: had one hundred and six receiving yards in that game.
Speaker 1: There was some question, you know, going into the game
Speaker 1: about you know, limited snap count, what's he actually going
Speaker 1: to look like? And then he looked kind of like
Speaker 1: the alpha there. I mean, they really have two alphas
Speaker 1: when when everybody's healthy, they're now facing the Seahawks pass
Speaker 1: defense allowing ten point seven yards per catch, that's tie
Speaker 1: for tenth in the NFL. What do you think about Pooka,
Speaker 1: you know, in relation to Cooper cup or just him
Speaker 1: in general. If he's gonna have a big game.
Speaker 5: Well, I think he will offensive coach Sean McVay extra
Speaker 5: time to prepare because they played on Thursday night. If
Speaker 5: you watch the Rams, Pooka is their number one. Cooper
Speaker 5: Cup maybe more expensive and more historically relevant, Pooka is
Speaker 5: their one. I think Kyron Williams and Pooka Nakua are
Speaker 5: really their top two targets. Cooper Cup has been slotted
Speaker 5: into third because they can't really count on him to
Speaker 5: be available, So I think Pooka. I love the Rams
Speaker 5: in this spot. I love when McVeigh and Stafford, like
Speaker 5: Andy Reid and Mahomes, get extra time to prepare off
Speaker 5: a Thursday night game. Love the Rams and love Pooka.
Speaker 1: Here. We'll wrap up there. Remember to head to Fantasypros
Speaker 1: dot Com Slash Challenge to play along all season long.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Colin. Thanks man. All Right, fellas, it's
Speaker 1: our Week nine key questions here. We'll start off with
Speaker 1: Chargers Browns because I want to start off talking about
Speaker 1: this Browns offense. Are we excited to start these brown
Speaker 1: skilled players again this week? Coming off of a largely
Speaker 1: pretty great Week eight performance under you know new quarterback
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston deep bra I'll start with you.
Speaker 3: I'm honestly not the Bolts passing. Our past defense has
Speaker 3: been pretty tough. We've I've been throwing a little bit
Speaker 3: of cold water on Cedric Tillman said the big games,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, obviously we were big into him
Speaker 3: last week, but I'm throwing a little bit of cold
Speaker 3: water here. The Chargers secondary has been very good, allowing
Speaker 3: the fifth fiues fantasy points per game to perimeter wide receivers.
Speaker 3: They've been very good against tight ends, seventh lowest yards perception. Honestly,
Speaker 3: and this might be odd, guys, the guy I'm most
Speaker 3: excited for in this game is actually Nick Chubb. The
Speaker 3: Chargers run defense can be had.
Speaker 2: They're allowing the eleventh.
Speaker 3: Highest yards of the contact pert tempt on the twelfth
Speaker 3: highest yards per carry to zone runs. I think this
Speaker 3: is a really sneaky spot for Nick Chubb to get
Speaker 3: going after last week we saw his workload trickle up.
Speaker 2: Already bet the over for his rushing yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fits. We talked a little bit about Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: yesterday too on the show with ericson and how you
Speaker 1: know it was only you know, fifty two yards I think,
Speaker 1: but he was the first running back to go over
Speaker 1: fifty yards in a game against Baltimore this season. Now,
Speaker 1: Baltimore lost Michael Pierce during the game. Travis Jones banged up,
Speaker 1: but still nobody else has done it, and Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: did and also, like Deva mentioned, kind of getting that
Speaker 1: volume up again too. So I also like Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: a bit this week. What do you think about him?
Speaker 1: Especially do you like him better than some of these
Speaker 1: pass catchers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean his second game back and we saw
Speaker 4: him get sixteen carries and we saw him play a
Speaker 4: snapchair I think just under six so he is almost
Speaker 4: back to full featured back status already. Which what an
Speaker 4: amazing comeback considering like just thinking back to how bad
Speaker 4: that injury looked when you know Minka Fitzpatrick, through no
Speaker 4: fault of his own, just hit him when he was
Speaker 4: planted in such a horrible way and that was truly
Speaker 4: a grotesque injury. Great to see one of the best
Speaker 4: pure runners in the NFL back. I am excited about
Speaker 4: this offense again, worm Like the passing game has new
Speaker 4: life with Jamis. We're getting chubbed back and the offensive
Speaker 4: line is getting healthier, which was a big problem earlier
Speaker 4: in the season. So Jamis Winston threw forty one passes
Speaker 4: last week, and his first start for the Browns and
Speaker 4: his average depth of target on his throats with ten yards.
Speaker 4: And I mentioned this on our show yesterday, Worm, but
Speaker 4: I'll mention it again because it's such a great stat
Speaker 4: Courtesy of our buddy Jacob Gibbs over at CBS. Jamis
Speaker 4: had two hundred and seventy five catchable air yards last week.
Speaker 4: The previous sing season high for addy quarterback this year
Speaker 4: in catchable air yards Brock Purdy with two hundred and thirteen.
Speaker 4: Jamis just blew that number out of the water in
Speaker 4: his first start. And you know that doesn't obviously include
Speaker 4: after the catch yard, so like that shows what his
Speaker 4: ceiling is. Everyone's being really conservative with him, doesn't like
Speaker 4: the matchup. I think last time I checked his Jamis
Speaker 4: had an ECR of like QB eighteen. I've got him
Speaker 4: in the top ten. Like he's going to do his thing.
Speaker 4: The one thing that could torpedo Jamis, of course, is
Speaker 4: if he throws like four interceptions, and that allows the
Speaker 4: Chargers to just hold the ball and take the air
Speaker 4: out of it, because I think they are allowed currently
Speaker 4: averaging the most seconds between snaps of any team in
Speaker 4: the league, like the Chargers played a glacial pace, so
Speaker 4: that's the danger here. But man if Jamis doesn't turn
Speaker 4: it over a bunch, Cedric Tillman is blossoming, David Nijoku
Speaker 4: is a must start. Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore are playable.
Speaker 4: This is going to be a fun offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dee Broh, I wanted to ask you about the
Speaker 1: quarterback ranking because this is another thing we talked about
Speaker 1: a bit on the Start Sit show with Ericson. Fitz
Speaker 1: and Erickson were pretty far apart in their ranking of
Speaker 1: Jamis for this week. Fit's already mentioned he's got Jamis
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Rickson had him down. I think
Speaker 1: like QB seventeen, QB eighteen range, where do you have Jamis?
Speaker 2: I'm with Erickson.
Speaker 3: I got him at QB seventeen and like, I think
Speaker 3: the volume can be there for Jamis. There's just other
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that I like this week. Like, I know this
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like a hot take, but considering his production
Speaker 3: for the entire season, I've got Patrick Mahomes inside my
Speaker 3: top twelve. I like Geno more like bo Nix Moore.
Speaker 3: I think it's a good bounce back spot for Kaleb.
Speaker 3: Jared Golf can throw it. Although we're worried about the
Speaker 3: weather a little bit for that game Dak Prescott. I
Speaker 3: think it's a big bounce back spot possibly for him.
Speaker 3: So it's not so much that I hate Jamis this week.
Speaker 3: I just like other scoring environments better than this one.
Speaker 3: Like if you were to tell me this game walked
Speaker 3: away like as a thirteen or a six team to
Speaker 3: nine type of game, I honestly wouldn't be that surprised.
Speaker 1: Go to Cowboys Falcons. I want to talk about Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: who is having, you know, a resurgence here the last month.
Speaker 1: In the last four weeks, he has seven catches for
Speaker 1: eighty eight yards, three catches for seventy yards, seven catches
Speaker 1: for sixty five yards, and four for ninety one with
Speaker 1: two touchdowns in that most recent game. Is he a
Speaker 1: Tier one tight end option this week? And also moving
Speaker 1: forward fits.
Speaker 4: Maybe on the borderline of it, Like this resurgence is
Speaker 4: encouraging for sure, But two of those four games were
Speaker 4: against the Buccaneers, who have allowed the fourth most receiving
Speaker 4: yards and fourth most fantasy points to tight ends. Another
Speaker 4: of those big four games for Pits was against the Panthers,
Speaker 4: who have allowed the most fantasy points to tight ends.
Speaker 4: And the fourth game during that four game hot streak
Speaker 4: for Pits was against the Seahawks, who have allowed the
Speaker 4: fourth most receiving yards and ninth most fantasy points to
Speaker 4: tight end. So he has taken advantage of a soft
Speaker 4: stretch of scheduling. But it's not all man related. I mean,
Speaker 4: it is nice to see Pitts tapping into his talents
Speaker 4: because this dude is big and fast and freakishly athletic,
Speaker 4: and like he is certainly capable of being a Tier
Speaker 4: one tight end. Let's just see it sustand maybe when
Speaker 4: the matchups aren't quite.
Speaker 1: As favorable, how would you rate the matchup this week?
Speaker 4: Enough that I'm checking to see where I have Jamis
Speaker 4: in or Jamis, excuse me, where I have Pits in
Speaker 4: my rankings. I've got him at seventh against Dallas. I know,
Speaker 4: what would you say, deebro? Kind of a neutral matchup
Speaker 4: the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I actually quietly loved this matchup for Kyle Pitts. I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 3: Dallas has either faced a lot of good tight ends
Speaker 3: or a lot of good tight ends that have been utilized.
Speaker 3: Like you could say, okay, well, they've played the Ravens,
Speaker 3: they've they've played the Browns, but then it was Watson,
Speaker 3: it was the Ravens. Not really utilizing a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: This is quietly, I think, a smash spot for Kyle
Speaker 3: Pitts and the reason it like Dallas. Again, I talked
Speaker 3: about they haven't seen a lot of offenses that featured
Speaker 3: George Kittle absolutely destroyed them, and I was high on
Speaker 3: him walking into that matchup because Dallas has quietly given
Speaker 3: up the highest yards per reception two tight ends and
Speaker 3: the third most receiving touchdowns. So I'm with you, we're
Speaker 3: not far apart. Like Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2: I've got him at tight end six for the.
Speaker 3: Week, but that's only because I love Evan Ingram a
Speaker 3: little bit more and I like Kaitott and a little
Speaker 3: bit more so, Like I can only push him up
Speaker 3: so high into the rankings, but I still love Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 3: like I'll start him over David and Joku, Jake Ferguson, Laporta, Andrews,
Speaker 3: a bunch of different guys that I think people would
Speaker 3: like this week too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing I mean. Ingram and Otten
Speaker 4: are sort of forced to be these like target hogs
Speaker 4: in their offense because of the situation with the wide
Speaker 4: receivers on those teams, whereas there's always the chance that
Speaker 4: Pits might get lost in the target shuffle a little
Speaker 4: bit behind London and Mooney de.
Speaker 1: Bro What would you where would you drink Pits in
Speaker 1: terms of rest of season? Like, how many tight ends
Speaker 1: would you rather have from this point forward than Pitts?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good call. I mean, really, I think
Speaker 3: it's a short list. It's Traving Bride, George kittle Brock, Bauers,
Speaker 3: and I think the conversation starts at tight end four
Speaker 3: with Travis Kelcey. You could put Evan Ingram probably into
Speaker 3: that conversation too. But we've seen a lot more bad
Speaker 3: than we've seen good out of Trevor Lawrence this year.
Speaker 3: Uh So I still think that we haven't seen the
Speaker 3: best iteration of the Falcons offense. Boys, Like I still
Speaker 3: think that this offense is kind of finding its way,
Speaker 3: Like we've seen two to three games really good of
Speaker 3: like Bijon like coming on, like same thing with Kyle
Speaker 3: Pitts and Drake London. Like, I think there are still
Speaker 3: better days ahead for this Atlanta Falcons offense. So I
Speaker 3: think the conversation begins at tight end four. I've got
Speaker 3: him at tight end five rest the season?
Speaker 1: Does that?
Speaker 4: Does that mean that they're going to insert Pennox at quarterback?
Speaker 4: The iteration of this offense, Kirk is good, Dad.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess fits. We've officially hit your deadline
Speaker 1: for that to happen, right, wasn't I know.
Speaker 4: Of Cousins getting benched on the merits for Pennix? Didn't happen,
Speaker 4: but hey still might happen before the season is out.
Speaker 4: We see they can't play the Buccaneers every week. Man
Speaker 4: their regular season matchups against the Bucks are over there.
Speaker 2: If they could, that would be so glorious if they could.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Broncos Ravens games in Baltimore. Bow Knicks
Speaker 1: has been a top ten fantasy quarterback in three of
Speaker 1: the last four weeks. He now gets a Baltimore defense
Speaker 1: that has been thrown on all season and is also
Speaker 1: just pretty banged up. In general, The Ravens are good
Speaker 1: typically against mobile quarterbacks, which is not surprising because they
Speaker 1: see one every day in practice. But this is not
Speaker 1: the typical Ravens defense, at least it certainly hasn't been
Speaker 1: the first two months. Do we trust bow Knicks to
Speaker 1: continue his hot streak or are we worried about the
Speaker 1: rookie QB in Baltimore, a place where rookie QB's typically struggle.
Speaker 3: Deebro, what do you think typically used to struggle? I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think this past defense can freaking stop anybody. Nowadays,
Speaker 3: I've got him flirting.
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 3: Think you can start the conversation for him as low
Speaker 3: in quarterback one somewhere around QB seven QB eight.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 3: Currently I've got him at QB thirteen. He's in a
Speaker 3: long mix of guys like the Staffords, Sam Darnold's, Dak Prescott,
Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes of the week. If somebody wanted to have
Speaker 3: him as a low end QB one, I totally understand it, because,
Speaker 3: I mean, worm, you might want to cover your years.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about the Baltimore defense.
Speaker 4: Like at all.
Speaker 3: They have to look, they have to show the ability
Speaker 3: to stop anybody through the air. And this is not
Speaker 3: even just oh well, they've been hurt and dude, they
Speaker 3: were at full strength and they still sucked. It didn't
Speaker 3: freaking matter. So bo Nix, I do think that he's
Speaker 3: probably gonna end up as a QB one this week,
Speaker 3: so I want to stay probably above consensus considering where
Speaker 3: ECR comes in. But I mean, you're telling me the
Speaker 3: past defense that's given up the most passing touchdowns in
Speaker 3: the NFL, the most passing yards per game. Hell and no,
Speaker 3: I'm not scared of them.
Speaker 1: So before I toss to fits, I have one follow
Speaker 1: up for you, d Bro, because this is thing I
Speaker 1: brought up on an earlier show this week too. The
Speaker 1: rape prior to the injuries went healthy. The Ravens defense
Speaker 1: where they really struggled was against teams that had an
Speaker 1: Alpha receiver. Jamar Chase did really well against him, Rashi
Speaker 1: Rice in that first game of the season, ceed Lamp
Speaker 1: Defante Adams and that Raiders loss. It was always the
Speaker 1: teams that had that really really high level number one.
Speaker 1: The Broncos don't really have that. I mean, your milers
Speaker 1: mayvarian some of these guys, but none of them are
Speaker 1: clearly in that tier one tier. I mean, even in
Speaker 1: that Bucks game, that Bucks offense looked a lot different
Speaker 1: as soon as Mike Evans went out. So now that
Speaker 1: they are getting healthy, because healthy er Nate Wiggins and
Speaker 1: Rol Humphrey are practicing again this week and trending towards playing.
Speaker 1: It seems like if they're healthy, then this is the
Speaker 1: type of passing attack that doesn't have that alpha that
Speaker 1: has really hurt them so much this year. Does that
Speaker 1: way into it at all? Or do you just think
Speaker 1: like any style of Like I guess what I'm asking
Speaker 1: is because that Bill's game is kind of the prime
Speaker 1: example of a team that didn't take advantage of the defense,
Speaker 1: and that was Priamari Cooper trade. They didn't have that
Speaker 1: alpha guy and it really worked to the Ravens benefit.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this could be another scenario like
Speaker 1: that if as they get healthy, or do you think
Speaker 1: they're just kind of in shambles and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: strong passing regardless.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw this back at you, worm, who do
Speaker 3: you think is the better NFL wide receiver right now?
Speaker 3: Cedric Tillman or Courtland Sutton? Is he a true alpha
Speaker 3: because he absolutely just wrecked them last week?
Speaker 1: Well, but that was the one game that was the
Speaker 1: game where they were beat up, that was where they
Speaker 1: didn't have a hun.
Speaker 2: But are they fully healthy walking into this game?
Speaker 1: They're healthy or they're not? They're certainly not fully healthy.
Speaker 1: It's a good point.
Speaker 3: No, I really like I'm needling you a little bit here,
Speaker 3: but a good point I think. I think in its entirety,
Speaker 3: this this secondary, whether healthy or not, I think has
Speaker 3: been downgraded to a point where I I don't think
Speaker 3: you have to be that true type of alpha. Like
Speaker 3: I think there's a conversation, especially in skill, skill sets
Speaker 3: and archetypes between Cedric Tillman and Courtland Sutton. So I
Speaker 3: think Courtland Sutton is good enough to take advantage of
Speaker 3: this matchup and lead the way. And would we have
Speaker 3: said this maybe before last week? Probably maybe not.
Speaker 2: But he's been getting a ton of volume and he
Speaker 2: took advantage of the Carolina Panthers last week, So I
Speaker 2: think you could do it against the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Soo, Ravens just us. He can't get pressure on anybody,
Speaker 1: which is now came any offense. Yeah. But by the way,
Speaker 1: this isn't even me being defensive by the Ravens. This
Speaker 1: is me deciding if I need to start Courtland Sutton
Speaker 1: in a few weeks this week, so start him the
Speaker 1: follow up? Yeah, Fitz, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: You know, we we talked about bo Nicks again yesterday,
Speaker 1: but again top ten Fantasy quarterback three the last four weeks.
Speaker 2: He's been on a real leater QB two last week, and.
Speaker 4: We sort of joked about, you know, the historic historically
Speaker 4: not a good matchup for rookie quarterbacks going into Baltimore,
Speaker 4: But you know, this Ravens defense does not have Terrell
Speaker 4: Suggs or Ed Reed roaming around anymore. So, but I
Speaker 4: still kind of agree with your premise here, Worm that
Speaker 4: maybe this isn't quite the matchup it looks to be
Speaker 4: on paper. And a lot of the reason why bo
Speaker 4: Nicks has been an effective fantasy quarterback has been the
Speaker 4: value he has added as a runner. Like he has
Speaker 4: put up really impressive rushing numbers, like more impressive than
Speaker 4: some of the guys we were expecting big rushing totals from.
Speaker 4: So can he just come in and pick apart the
Speaker 4: Ravens past defense, especially if they do have I don't
Speaker 4: know what the status of Marlin Humphrey Nate Wiggins is.
Speaker 4: Are those guys going to play it this week?
Speaker 1: Where I'm they've been limited in practice, so it's it's unclear.
Speaker 4: So, like I mean, I still feel like it's a
Speaker 4: capable secondary if those guys are healthy. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: do kind of have a hard time believing that Bonix,
Speaker 4: a rookie who has not really been dicing up people
Speaker 4: with his arm, is going to come into Baltimore, which
Speaker 4: has traditionally been a really tough place to play during
Speaker 4: the John Harbaugh era and just like tear it up.
Speaker 4: So I am conservative with my ranking of Bonnicks this week.
Speaker 4: I've got him QB sixteen.
Speaker 1: Just quickly, I want to throw a second question out
Speaker 1: for this matchup, because we talked about it on the
Speaker 1: day it happened, but we haven't really talked about it
Speaker 1: on the shows at least the ones I've been on
Speaker 1: in the days since. So now that we have had
Speaker 1: some time to kind of process this trade, what are
Speaker 1: we doing with the Baltimore pass catchers this first week
Speaker 1: with Deontay Johnson in town? Fits for this game?
Speaker 4: I'm starting Jay Flowers and maybe Mark Andrews depending on
Speaker 4: my tight end situation, and sitting everyone else.
Speaker 3: Debra, I'm honestly worried about everybody in this matchup. Dude,
Speaker 3: Somebody's catching a Patrick's certain shadow. It's gonna happen. The
Speaker 3: question is who you betting on I. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's gonna be Rashad Bateman. I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a Deontay Johnson, which I'll throw this out here,
Speaker 3: I unless you are oppressed, I would not be starting
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson this week. Like we this is just going
Speaker 3: back to what have we seen out of these guys
Speaker 3: getting traded in short windows? Amario Cooper, uh, DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 3: Like they're not gonna play. He's not gonna play a
Speaker 3: full time snap role. That's not gonna happen. So really
Speaker 3: you're just hoping and praying he catches a touchdown because
Speaker 3: outside of that, he probably has a down game. We've
Speaker 3: seen it off of every single wide receiver, even freaking
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams trade and he had report with the quarterback
Speaker 3: going in. So it's just not enough time to digest
Speaker 3: the playbook nor to really like integrate yourself fully in
Speaker 3: the offense. Like so I'm I'm down on Rashad Bateman
Speaker 3: because and wharm you know this as well as I do.
Speaker 3: Baltimore loves their their twelve and thirteen personnel. How much
Speaker 3: do we see that? Like do we see more eleven personnel?
Speaker 3: I think probably down the stretch. But I don't think
Speaker 3: that's gonna be automatic in the first game for Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 3: So in that idea, Okay, well, if they're playing multiple
Speaker 3: tight ends, probably still then they're gonna have to get
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson's going to factor in his passing attack. He's
Speaker 3: probably not taking snaps away from Zay Flowers. It's probably
Speaker 3: Rashad Bateman. If they're in two wede receiver sets, it's
Speaker 3: gonna take the snap hit, so Bateman could see his
Speaker 3: snaps lowered. Deontay's not gonna be a full time guy.
Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna catch a Patrick's certain shadow that's probably going
Speaker 3: to be Zay Flowers. If I'm Denver, I say, you've
Speaker 3: got a part time guy that you just traded for,
Speaker 3: not so much worried about him. You know another guy
Speaker 3: that's just a deep ball specialist in Vershaan Bateman, not
Speaker 3: that worried about him. Okay, let's just wipe Save Flowers
Speaker 3: off the map with patrickes for ten and you try
Speaker 3: to beat us.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. That's if I'm the the Denver Broncos DC.
Speaker 3: That's the way that I'm looking at it, And so
Speaker 3: I'm worried, honestly about all these different pass catchers.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's go to Dolphins Bills. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: offense scored twenty seven points in Week eight, looking a
Speaker 1: lot more normal with two tongue of Iloa back at quarterback.
Speaker 1: The unit struggled mightily in the first matchup with the Bills, though,
Speaker 1: even before Tua left that game with a concussion back
Speaker 1: in week two. So what do we expect from Miami
Speaker 1: skill players this week? Fits well.
Speaker 4: One guy who didn't struggle mightily in that first matchup
Speaker 4: with the Bills Forum was Devon a Chen who had
Speaker 4: twenty two carries for ninety six yards and seven catches
Speaker 4: for sixty nine yards and a touchdown. So I would
Speaker 4: expect to see a chan heavily involved as a pass
Speaker 4: catcher once again, because the Bills have allowed an NFL
Speaker 4: high four hundred and thirty four receiving yards to running
Speaker 4: backs and the Bills run defense, you know, not that great.
Speaker 4: So Ah Chan's going to be heavily involved in and
Speaker 4: maybe Raheem Moster gets in on things, but otherwise I
Speaker 4: don't know. Like Tyreek Hill has not had a great
Speaker 4: deal of success against the Bills in recent years. Jalen
Speaker 4: Waddle had a pair of one hundred yard games against
Speaker 4: the Bills in twenty twenty two, but hasn't done much since.
Speaker 4: Just seems like Sean McDermott and his staff kind of
Speaker 4: have a handle on the Miami passing game and how
Speaker 4: to keep it under control. So I'm excited about a
Speaker 4: chan tempered enthusiasm for other components of the Miami offense.
Speaker 1: Deebra, how are you approaching the Dolphins in this one.
Speaker 3: I'm currently on betting Pros right now, betting the over
Speaker 3: at plus money on devon A Chan's receptions at four
Speaker 3: and a half. That's why how I'm attacking this, hoom.
Speaker 3: I think it's a Chan time, dude, and honestly, like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be. I don't want to start Jalen Wattle.
Speaker 3: If anybody tuned into the live stream yesterday on Halloween,
Speaker 3: basically every question we feeled was, hey, do us play
Speaker 3: Jalen Wattle? And I'm like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no no, Like you got to get volume
Speaker 3: to score fantasy points even in tough matchups, jaal and
Speaker 3: Wattle's not getting it Like this is very much exactly
Speaker 3: what we saw last year. It's the Tyreek Hill show.
Speaker 3: Get him a thirty percent target chair and Jalen Wattle
Speaker 3: if you get targets, cool if you don't cool. So
Speaker 3: lately with Tua, the wide receiver two in this offense
Speaker 3: has been devon a chan so I'm I'm gonna also
Speaker 3: be below consensus on Tyreek Hill, like Tua has been
Speaker 3: crushed in these matchups by the Buffalo Bills, and Tyreek
Speaker 3: Hill is gonna get his targets and stuff. This is
Speaker 3: a top three pass defense in the NFL. Like Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 3: I've got a wide receiver eight. I can make you
Speaker 3: a really good case. Like straight up, I want to
Speaker 3: play Chris Alave over Tyreek Hill this week. I would
Speaker 3: want to play assuming like Hookah's banged up and stuff
Speaker 3: when we get to that game later, but Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: probably playing him over tyreek Hill. Like I'm I just
Speaker 3: think this is a game where we could see the
Speaker 3: Dolphins have struggled religiously against the Bills, and I don't
Speaker 3: see what's going to change in this matchup. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to nerf tyreek Hill. I'm gonna have Jalen Wattle
Speaker 3: in the wide receiver three or four territory and definitely
Speaker 3: do not start him this week and fire up a chain.
Speaker 2: I think he crushes.
Speaker 1: This is a total non secutor. I meant to withy
Speaker 1: this stuff at the top of the show and just forgot.
Speaker 1: And since we're talking about the AFC East in this matchup,
Speaker 1: I'll use that as this, like, you know, excuse for
Speaker 1: transitioning to it. Where does that Garrett Wilson catch rank
Speaker 1: amongst the all time catches you guys saw from last
Speaker 1: night's game. That was I think it was better than
Speaker 1: the Odell catch, Like you think it better. I think
Speaker 1: it was better. He his he like kind of together.
Speaker 1: This dude was like going full Michael Jordan, like doing
Speaker 1: the splits in mid air follow I thought it was
Speaker 1: more import assive I mean, obviously the O double one
Speaker 1: was impressive too, but I thought this catch was just
Speaker 1: it just looked sick. It was one of the coolest
Speaker 1: catches I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: I think we're not recency, We're not docking him for
Speaker 4: maybe not being technically inbounds on that. I thought that
Speaker 4: was a dubious inbounds call. To be quite honest, it
Speaker 4: was that was a vibe call.
Speaker 2: The reps were like, we can't call this not a touchdown.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get booed.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to get security to help us escort
Speaker 3: us out if we don't call this a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Garrett, he was making one handed catches right and left
Speaker 1: last night. That was that was fun to watch, all right.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't really have a good transition
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a top ten all time catch,
Speaker 2: no doubt. I think it's the top ten.
Speaker 1: It just and again, like not only was it just
Speaker 1: an impressive catch, it just looked like it still.
Speaker 3: Seeing you know, the one thing I've looked for, Guys,
Speaker 3: nobody has made the Garrett Wilson air Jordan like picture
Speaker 3: mean yet, Like I haven't seen that yet. I've seen Odell.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the negative space picture yet, so I waiting.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of it with like them side
Speaker 1: by side, like people posting the two images together, but
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of the like actual edited team.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the aired Garrett yet. I'm waiting for that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Will Away, which one's six?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, let's go to the next game here.
Speaker 1: Saints Panthers with Deontay Johnson, who we already talked about
Speaker 1: now in Baltimore. Who is the Carolina receiver to play
Speaker 1: in Fantasy xaviorly Get, who I think had kind of
Speaker 1: popped up on the injury report a bit. Jalen Coker,
Speaker 1: who I know Devra has been a big fan of
Speaker 1: for a while, or you know door number three depru
Speaker 1: will start with you.
Speaker 2: Well, I know all the entire fantasy industry is in
Speaker 2: on him right now.
Speaker 3: But if you've been in these streets, you've been on
Speaker 3: this podcast feed, and you've been listening to shows since
Speaker 3: before the NFL Draft, you already knew about Jalen Coker.
Speaker 3: You already had him stashed in all your dynaty taxi squads.
Speaker 3: Because I was talking about him before the freaking NFL
Speaker 3: Draft and how he It was a shame.
Speaker 2: It was a travesty that he went undrafted. Kid can play.
Speaker 3: I think if you're gonna make a bet on anybody
Speaker 3: eating them in receiving art receiving yards this week, I'm
Speaker 3: going to put my bet on Jalen Cocher. And this
Speaker 3: is no shade against Lagette. Laguat's been good, he hasn't
Speaker 3: been great. And the matchup, I just this all goes
Speaker 3: back to and yes, the entire Saints secondary.
Speaker 2: Is banged up. I'm not gonna say that they're not.
Speaker 3: Jalen Cocker has been freaking fantastic on a per route basis,
Speaker 3: and the Saints are giving up the eighth most Fantasy
Speaker 3: points per game to opposing slot wide receivers and the
Speaker 3: third most receiving yards. I it's Jim and Coker week,
Speaker 3: people enjoy.
Speaker 1: Where are you ranking him?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you you actively starting him?
Speaker 3: I'm actively starting in a few different leagues. Yeah, as
Speaker 3: a flex, and I'm gonna have him like right now,
Speaker 3: I've got him at Jalen Cocker, Where are you at?
Speaker 3: I've got him right now at wide receiver forty two.
Speaker 3: I think that he is in the same conversation as Wando,
Speaker 3: Robinson and Jay when Tolbert and that's only two spots ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh excuse me, yeah, three spots ahead of Xavier Lagette.
Speaker 1: Okay, fits, What do you think? Do you all so
Speaker 1: endorse Jalen Coker as the guy in this you know,
Speaker 1: receiving game or is it Leaget or is it somebody else?
Speaker 4: It's no one With Bryce Young at quarterback for the Panthers,
Speaker 4: I'm not starting any of these guys. The rest of
Speaker 4: the season is simply a Dynasty scouting mission to assess
Speaker 4: Xavier Legette, Jalen Cocher, and Jatavian Sanders. I am not
Speaker 4: letting Deebro talk me into starting Jalen Cocher over Jalen Waddle.
Speaker 4: That's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: One gets targets fits, the other one won't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, targets from Bryce Young, Dude, targets from Bryce.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, but aren't those targets from Bryce Young
Speaker 3: and the same thing as no targets from Tua?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Or maybe more better for Bryce? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, so, so how about sinking with this offense? Then
Speaker 1: with Bryce Young starting? If Jonathan Brooks is active, fits
Speaker 1: are you starting him or do you want to know
Speaker 1: see how he looks in his.
Speaker 4: First Now he is, he is fantasy pyrite, like he
Speaker 4: has been the biggest fool's gold of the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four fantasy season. Like everyone thinks he's going to come
Speaker 4: in and be this workhoorse savior right away. At first
Speaker 4: of all, no incentive for the Panthers to use him heavily.
Speaker 4: He is coming off a torn acl, the team does
Speaker 4: not have playoff aspirations, and Cuba Hubbard is running really well.
Speaker 4: I would expect them to work in Jonathan Brooks very sparingly.
Speaker 4: It's a red shirt season for all these guys. It's
Speaker 4: like your hot shot University of Maryland basketball recruits. Put
Speaker 4: him on the bench for a year, let him learn,
Speaker 4: bring him in in, you know, as red shirt freshman.
Speaker 4: A year from now, it might look better for the Panthers.
Speaker 4: They might have a new quarterback. But this year wash out.
Speaker 4: Do not start any Panthers other than perhaps Cuba.
Speaker 1: Bradon Pierce, red shirt freshman this year from Maryland. He
Speaker 1: said all last year, seven footer can hit the three. God,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he's I hoping he's the next successful big
Speaker 1: ten redshirt freshman since since Ethan Hap that's what's here?
Speaker 5: We go?
Speaker 2: Good lord, what have we done?
Speaker 1: I know zero people listening care about that. Well, what
Speaker 1: have we done? The show? Dear bro, you are really
Speaker 1: high on Jonathan Brooks in Dynasty drafts? Are you starting
Speaker 1: him this week if he's active?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not starting him.
Speaker 3: If he can get up to full like, I think
Speaker 3: Carolina is being extremely conservative with him because they look
Speaker 3: at him as one of the cornerstones, the few cornerstones
Speaker 3: that they do have, if any right now outside of
Speaker 3: Jonathan Brooks. I think he's a cornerstone of this franchise
Speaker 3: moving forward, so they are extremely being patient and treating
Speaker 3: him with kid gloves. I think that he only plays
Speaker 3: a handful of snaps. Could his workload go up down
Speaker 3: the season to get a look at the young kid.
Speaker 3: That all depends on how comfortable he is and how
Speaker 3: where his health is at. I don't think that they're
Speaker 3: going to like just keep shoving him into into the closet.
Speaker 3: If he is ready to go by season's in, he
Speaker 3: could see a cup of coffee as the league guy
Speaker 3: later in the season. Do I project that this week?
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Let's go to Bears at Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior had one hundred eleven receiving yards and
Speaker 1: a touchdown in Week eight. It was just his second
Speaker 1: game inside the top twenty receiver is in fantasy this season.
Speaker 1: So are we back to ranking him highly even in
Speaker 1: a tough matchup in Chicago or are we saying that
Speaker 1: we kind of need to see it some more still
Speaker 1: before we start moving back up the rankings to kind
Speaker 1: of where he was during draft season.
Speaker 3: Debro, I've got him at wide receiver sixteen right now.
Speaker 3: You have to tell me versus ECR is that high?
Speaker 3: Am I equal with ECR? Where am I at worm?
Speaker 3: Because I feel like I'm probably above ECR with that,
Speaker 3: and really ECR is wide receiver seventeen and halfway oare
Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm gonna be in line with consensus.
Speaker 3: I can't see myself pushing him up much higher considering
Speaker 3: all the players that I have above him, And I
Speaker 3: think that's right.
Speaker 2: Is it a tough matchup? Yes?
Speaker 3: And if people have been reading the primer, you thought
Speaker 3: the ability for Marvin Harrison Junior to have a big
Speaker 3: game last week was there? Because this all goes back
Speaker 3: to the coverage data people. Versus too high, he has
Speaker 3: not been good and this is part of the role
Speaker 3: and part of how they're using him. But versus single high,
Speaker 3: he's still been awesome. Single high matchups like that is
Speaker 3: the Marvin Harrison Junior the usage that we thought we were.
Speaker 2: Getting in every single week.
Speaker 3: So going back to this, the Bears run single high
Speaker 3: at the fifth highest rate, almost sixty percent of the
Speaker 3: defensive snaps against single high, Marvin Harrison Junior has a
Speaker 3: twenty five point five percent target chare, almost three yards
Speaker 3: per route run, and almost a twenty nine percent first
Speaker 3: reach here.
Speaker 2: So is this a tough matchup?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is Marvin Harrison Junior still possibly gonna pop off for
Speaker 3: a big game?
Speaker 1: Yes, as well.
Speaker 4: It's he maybe popped off and the coverage scheme helped
Speaker 4: him do that last week. But like it hasn't been
Speaker 4: volume based, it was efficiency based. He hasn't seen more
Speaker 4: than seven targets in any of his last five games.
Speaker 4: So I've got him wide receiver nineteen and that almost
Speaker 4: feels generous based on the usage lately. I just I
Speaker 4: want to see him more involved, Like I want to
Speaker 4: see double digit target games, and we just haven't been
Speaker 4: getting them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean only two games is the top twenty
Speaker 1: receivers this season, and one of them he got all
Speaker 1: of his production in one quarter. Quarter. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: like five quarters of total you know, productive, you know,
Speaker 1: you know performance from him. So yeah, it it's weird
Speaker 1: because like it really took me a while to start saying, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe he shouldn't be ranked in that like top twelve
Speaker 1: fifteen range, and I came around on that, and then
Speaker 1: you see this kind of bounce back game, and it's
Speaker 1: it's always a question, you know, for a ton of
Speaker 1: players every year, like how quickly do you then go
Speaker 1: back to this is the guy we expected versus this
Speaker 1: is the guy we've seen, and maybe this is kind
Speaker 1: of the outlier performance. So I'll be really curious to
Speaker 1: see how he does again in this matchup with the Bears.
Speaker 2: Just a note on the Rams eight highest single high
Speaker 2: rate and now he gets a team that's top five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. It's a good note. Speaking of the Rams.
Speaker 1: Rams at Seahawks is our next game. Now. Originally, when
Speaker 1: I put this together, Pukunukua had not left practice with
Speaker 1: the knee issue, so the original question was phrased as
Speaker 1: Now that both are back and healthy, Kunakua Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: both belong in the top ten of Fantasy Wide receivers Puka.
Speaker 1: For those who missed it, I can't imagine many people
Speaker 1: did miss it, left practice with any issue. They described
Speaker 1: it like from the Beat reporting and from the team
Speaker 1: as a very minor. We're currently in our are they
Speaker 1: playing tool giving Puka seventy one chance to play? That's
Speaker 1: based on one healthy practice, one limited, and some of
Speaker 1: the reporting. But you guys kind of feel differently. It
Speaker 1: sounds like from what we were talking about before the show.
Speaker 1: So I guess let's instead of treating these guys as healthy,
Speaker 1: let's just turn this into a conversation about this receiving
Speaker 1: game for this week. You know, Pookinakua, with him limited
Speaker 1: or even possibly missing this game, how are you treating
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup depro.
Speaker 3: I've got Cooper Cup at wide receiver ten, and let's
Speaker 3: put unless Pooka misses it, I'm probably not bumping him
Speaker 3: much higher than that.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I take that back.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if Pooka's out or we get
Speaker 3: more pessimistic news today or through the weekend, then Cooper
Speaker 3: Cup probably goes up to wide receiver seven for me,
Speaker 3: I just dropped Pookah to wide receiver fifteen. I'm more concerned, man,
Speaker 3: like this, what kind of injury reporting have we seen
Speaker 3: out of this team? Oh, we don't know if Puka's
Speaker 3: gonna play a full time role. Okay, that happens. Oh
Speaker 3: we get no news about Jordan Whittington being hurt and
Speaker 3: not playing at all because people were starting him and
Speaker 3: then he plays nothing in one of the games.
Speaker 1: Like, so, counting this a little coal division, man, The
Speaker 1: forty nine ers with the McCaffrey stuff early in the year,
Speaker 1: the Rams lately, the Seahawks never have their injury reports
Speaker 1: out of them. This whole division is just like playing
Speaker 1: fastest for injury reporting.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely frustrating, man.
Speaker 3: So I I mean, if we're getting news right now
Speaker 3: definitively that he is one hundred percent not going to
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent, like it, that's the fact he's
Speaker 3: not going to be one hundred percent going into this game.
Speaker 3: People need to kind of treat this with kid gloves
Speaker 3: right now. And some of that's bumping up Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: at the ranks, and some of that's dropping Pooka Nakua
Speaker 3: and depending on what other options, Like, if you're in
Speaker 3: an eight or a ten team league and you've got
Speaker 3: other like Studeley options, you might even consider sitting Pooka
Speaker 3: Nakuah depending on your options, like if you got other
Speaker 3: really freaking good wide receivers, like I'm Marvin Harrison Junior
Speaker 3: playing him over Puka maybe this week, Like didn't think
Speaker 3: we're I was gonna be there. I mean I had
Speaker 3: Puka is my way to see her five before this
Speaker 3: news came out. So I love him in this matchup,
Speaker 3: but crap man, like what how how good is his health?
Speaker 2: And how much does he play?
Speaker 3: And in just a note, supposedly, unless I read the
Speaker 3: reports wrong, this is the same knee that he missed
Speaker 3: time because of that's not even it's not even like,
Speaker 3: oh it's a different leg. So yeah, I'm super concerned.
Speaker 1: Fits how are you approaching this game given the question marks?
Speaker 1: And also do you think Puka's gonna play or not?
Speaker 4: I think as we record this on Friday morning that
Speaker 4: the Friday practice report will tell the tale. I think
Speaker 4: if Puka practices Friday, he plays. If he does and
Speaker 4: he's not gonna play, I kind of feel how that's
Speaker 4: gonna be. And regardless of the size of my league.
Speaker 4: I'd play Puka if he does practice on Friday and
Speaker 4: is you know, cleared to go for Sunday. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I would be a little worried about it, Like
Speaker 4: you have to fear that this is starting to become
Speaker 4: maybe a chronic issue for Puka. And it's sad because,
Speaker 4: like how enthusiastic were the Puka investors when he came
Speaker 4: back and had the game he had against the Vikings.
Speaker 4: And I don't know about you guys, but I watched
Speaker 4: that game and I thought, I have to rank him
Speaker 4: ahead of a Cup every week, Like he just looks
Speaker 4: so dominant right now, Like I have to rank him
Speaker 4: ahead of Cup, even though I still kind of like
Speaker 4: Cup if he's healthy. So but I do think, you know,
Speaker 4: Cup obviously a play either way, and his target out
Speaker 4: look greatly enhanced if Puka sits. But I would still
Speaker 4: play Puka if he does indeed suit up for this game.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is concerning long term, especially for the
Speaker 4: Puka Dynasty investors, because you know, he had injury problems
Speaker 4: in college. Now they're rolling over to the NFL, and
Speaker 4: it's a shame because when this guy is right physically,
Speaker 4: he is a top ten borderline top five receiver.
Speaker 3: Pat Patter, you are you bumping Cup up in the
Speaker 3: ranks with the Puka news at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I'll probably have him like where you have him?
Speaker 4: What wide receiver seven or wide receiver eight?
Speaker 1: If?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got him at wide receiver nine right now.
Speaker 3: But I'm kind of like I'm making the conversation inside
Speaker 3: my head right now to bump him to wide receiver seven.
Speaker 1: Say two kind of follow questions one, just quickly, where
Speaker 1: are you guys ranking Stafford with this news?
Speaker 2: It bumps him down. It bumps him down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing, of course, I bet an
Speaker 4: over on Stafford passing yardage right before we got the
Speaker 4: Puka news. So right now I've got Stafford QB eleven,
Speaker 4: and if Puka doesn't play, I'll probably haven't done at
Speaker 4: like fourteen or fifteen.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got him at QB eight. I'm dropping
Speaker 3: him right now to probably the QB ten right now.
Speaker 3: I do think the other the other fallout of this
Speaker 3: that we haven't talked about. I already had him at
Speaker 3: this ranking, but Kyraen Williams should be ranked RB one
Speaker 3: overall this week like he is going to get used
Speaker 3: a ton. This is a top three, top five matchup. Like,
Speaker 3: I think the biggest fallout for people is like I
Speaker 3: think Kyron is gonna smash in this game. Like he
Speaker 3: was already set for a really good game. Now you're
Speaker 3: telling me Puka might be limited maybe out It's not
Speaker 3: just a cup stuff Like I think Kyron is gonna crush.
Speaker 1: The last thing I was gonna ask the rope before
Speaker 1: I move out this game, do you recall was it
Speaker 1: knee injuries? And I know Puka had a lot of
Speaker 1: injury stuff college is one of the reasons he felt
Speaker 1: Was it his knee or was it other it was.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of soft tissue stuff. I think
Speaker 3: I think he did have some knee stuff in there,
Speaker 3: but it was a lot of different soft tissue stuff.
Speaker 3: Like it just it sucks, man, Like he's he's so
Speaker 3: freaking talented, man, Like that's just where I'm like, come on, NFL,
Speaker 3: can we just turn off injuries?
Speaker 2: Like has anybody and I meant to tweet this out
Speaker 2: of the day. Have y'all also ever pulled up your leagues.
Speaker 3: Like in the last like two to three weeks and
Speaker 3: just gone to waivers and almost wanted to shit a
Speaker 3: tears seeing Brandon, I you, Chris Godwin, all these different
Speaker 3: guys on waivers, Like I'm scrolling through names and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, no, you know, yes, it's like watching the Oscars
Speaker 4: and getting the montage of you know, deceased movie stars
Speaker 4: at the end like that. That's how I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm getting emotional about it. But by the way, deebro
Speaker 4: the bold prediction that Kyen is gonna smash this week,
Speaker 4: that's like prediction. You know, I know, I'm at Star
Speaker 4: Wars movie is going to gross a lot of money
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm out here just tossing that clickbait. You know,
Speaker 3: Kyen's gonna just run over Seattle or shattering takes.
Speaker 1: I know clickbait corner from Debro Kyrine should be ranked highly.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Lions at Packers. So just quickly odd
Speaker 1: Jordan Love the are they playing tool with Fantasypraise dot Com,
Speaker 1: which are our new tool this year, AI powered kind
Speaker 1: of predictive tool about whether guys are gonna.
Speaker 4: Play or not.
Speaker 1: It does give Jordan Love an eighty seven percent chance
Speaker 1: to play. That's based on some of the practice reporting
Speaker 1: you know the fact that he went from it did
Speaker 1: not practice to a limited practice on Thursday. Continue to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that. It is not a sure
Speaker 1: thing that he's gonna play, but our tool does like
Speaker 1: the possibility that he does. So the way I kind
Speaker 1: of phrase his question was if he does play versus
Speaker 1: if he doesn't. If Jordan Love does play, is there
Speaker 1: anybody in this matchup that we don't love? I mean
Speaker 1: even Sam la Porter, who's been in disappointment this season,
Speaker 1: it's coming off his best week of the year. And
Speaker 1: then on the flip side, if Love doesn't end up playing,
Speaker 1: how far did the Packers players drop in your rankings?
Speaker 1: Fits will start with you.
Speaker 4: So if Love is playing, like Watson and Wix are
Speaker 4: the guys who are your maybe tough choices probably for
Speaker 4: most people like on the outside looking in, But I
Speaker 4: think Watson would probably be a little more playable than Wix,
Speaker 4: at least based on the usage trends for the Packers,
Speaker 4: but obviously both really sort of risk reward not safety options.
Speaker 4: So whereas conversely, if Jordan Love is out, I think
Speaker 4: Josh Shacobs and Jayden Reed are really the only guys
Speaker 4: you want to play in this offense, like not even
Speaker 4: Tucker Kraft because in Malik Willis's previous two starts he
Speaker 4: had fewer than twenty passing attempts both times. So to
Speaker 4: the Lions, like, yeah, obviously Gibbs in Montgomery and Saint
Speaker 4: Brown are in your lineup, but I Laporta and Goff
Speaker 4: are totally dependent on what your roster looks like because
Speaker 4: those guys are our borderline like back end QB one
Speaker 4: back end tight end one types, and maybe you have
Speaker 4: a better option.
Speaker 1: You don't think we would see if Love is out
Speaker 1: another like thirty carry game from Josh Jacobs though, right,
Speaker 1: because the Lions are too good to do that again.
Speaker 2: You know, it seems like you can do that against them.
Speaker 4: Well, they have a good run defense or have had.
Speaker 4: Maybe it hasn't been as lights out as it was.
Speaker 1: He's gonna score so much like you can't keep up
Speaker 1: with them. It feels like that.
Speaker 4: So I do feel like Matt Lafleur is somewhat cognizant
Speaker 4: of not trying to run Josh Shacobs into the ground
Speaker 4: like the first time when Love sustained the injury in Brazil.
Speaker 4: The next week against the Titans, like we saw some
Speaker 4: ridiculous number of carries from Jacobs, like twenty eight or whatever,
Speaker 4: and I was kind of exc I think it was
Speaker 4: over thirty. I think it was like maybe it was thirty.
Speaker 4: Then in week three I was kind of expecting the
Speaker 4: same thing, and he had under twenty, and they like
Speaker 4: mixed in more Emmanuel Wilson, I think. And now they've
Speaker 4: got Chris Brooks too, who is running well in just
Speaker 4: a horse. That dude's like two hundred and thirty five pounds.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's kind of an ensemble effort. But with
Speaker 4: Jacob's leading the way, I just I don't think that
Speaker 4: Lafleur really wants to like consistently be giving Jacobs twenty
Speaker 4: five plus carries.
Speaker 1: Debra, how are you looking at this game if Love
Speaker 1: plays versus if he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I want to attack this not
Speaker 3: only from the a are they playing tool, because I
Speaker 3: think that that is a fantastic tool, especially given insight
Speaker 3: to people that you know, what am I doing?
Speaker 2: What do I moves?
Speaker 3: Do I need to make considering on if players are
Speaker 3: playing or not? But I think the line and the
Speaker 3: betting lines are telling us that Jordan Love plays. If not,
Speaker 3: the total would be lower, and if not, the line
Speaker 3: would be different. So I think it's it's practice reports.
Speaker 3: I think the other thing in Fitzy and I were
Speaker 3: talking about this before we turn the mics on the
Speaker 3: fact that the Packers had Jordan Love out there yesterday
Speaker 3: would have looked like from all every video I saw
Speaker 3: that it was raining at practice. So you don't want
Speaker 3: Jordan Love if you're that worried about his growing slipping
Speaker 3: and sliding around on a wet practice field. So as
Speaker 3: well as it's supposed to rain during this game, so
Speaker 3: some of this could be okay. Can you prove to
Speaker 3: us that you can move around in less than ideal conditions.
Speaker 3: So I do think Jordan Love is going to play.
Speaker 3: I agree with Fitzi's earlier assessment about this being a
Speaker 3: divisional game, and the Packers are like, look, we got
Speaker 3: any shot at the freaking division. We need to win
Speaker 3: this game, and that is I mean, the only chance
Speaker 3: they have to do that is with Jordan Love. I
Speaker 3: don't think they could do that in previous weeks what
Speaker 3: they've done with Malik Willis and going run heavy and
Speaker 3: things like that, And so I do think Love plays.
Speaker 2: I think this is a huge.
Speaker 3: Game for Jaden Reid and Romeo Dobbs. Detroit has been
Speaker 3: rushed by the slot. But as far as the guys
Speaker 3: you don't want to play, and this is assuming Love plays,
Speaker 3: I'm not playing Christian Watson. He has not been utilized
Speaker 3: hardly at all versus single high, and I think that's
Speaker 3: what they're going to see a ton of Detroit last year.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're already utilizing it on over sixty percent
Speaker 3: of their snaps this season. But even last year, in
Speaker 3: the two meetings that the Packers had against the Lions,
Speaker 3: almost sixty percent of the defensive snaps were single high
Speaker 3: Christian Watson versus single high. This year, he's got an
Speaker 3: eighteen percent target per route run rate one point four
Speaker 3: yards per route run and Tucker Craft, Yeah, like if
Speaker 3: Jordan Love plays, he's a low end tight end one.
Speaker 3: If Jordan Love were to happen to miss this game,
Speaker 3: I'm with FITZI I would sit him. It's also just
Speaker 3: a growth. It's a horrible matchup for him. Detroit has
Speaker 3: been legit against tight ends, second fuset receiving yards and
Speaker 3: fantasy points allowed at the position, So I think it's
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tough game for him, and I
Speaker 3: think this is gonna be a good game for Sam Laporta.
Speaker 3: Packers have been bad versus tight ends, so his route
Speaker 3: share and his targets go up in another game without
Speaker 3: Jameson Williams.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Colts at Vikings. Before we get to
Speaker 1: the key question for Sunday Night's matchup, I want to
Speaker 1: ask you guys about your Uber Eats Sunday Night Meals
Speaker 1: of the Week debro. What must order food gets you
Speaker 1: reaching for your Uber Eats app for great game day
Speaker 1: deals when you think of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this was a Minnesota food, but I'm
Speaker 2: so happy to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I love Swedish meatballs, dude, Like it's that is probably
Speaker 3: in the top fifteen of foods for me just in general.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me, I'm going to a place where
Speaker 3: it's done well, must it's a must.
Speaker 1: Have fits how about you?
Speaker 4: For me, it's the uh, It's got to be the
Speaker 4: juicy lucy. So this is a famous kind of cheeseburger
Speaker 4: where they bake the cheese or fry the cheese. I
Speaker 4: guess right inside the burger. Just gotta be careful if
Speaker 4: you're getting that fresh off the grid. All that stuff
Speaker 4: can be like malten lava, and it is very easy
Speaker 4: to burn the inside of your mouth.
Speaker 2: So like a Hamburger hot pocket sounds glorious.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I some of my best friends growing up, they're you know,
Speaker 1: families from Minnesota, and so every once in a while
Speaker 1: when I would go over, we would have a juicy,
Speaker 1: lucy uh extremely extremely delicious. So I fully endorse that
Speaker 1: pick from fits I was one of my favorite parts
Speaker 1: about doing this segment each week is like learning about
Speaker 1: what cities have which foods because a lot of these
Speaker 1: cities I just haven't been to or or don't associate
Speaker 1: them with this food. I did not know that Minnesota
Speaker 1: is where pizza rolls were invented. And I love a
Speaker 1: good pizza roll. And I don't know if they're like considered,
Speaker 1: like they perfected or they're the best, but it's if
Speaker 1: you look atup, it's where they were invented. Uh, is
Speaker 1: a pizza rolls. So not that they're the healthiest thing.
Speaker 1: I can't eat them too much, but if they were healthy,
Speaker 1: I would eat them every day. Pizza rolls are freaking.
Speaker 3: Lots of cheese enveloped and other things. That's the that's
Speaker 3: the thing that I'm getting out of here. Like did
Speaker 3: they invent hot pockets too?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Well? And then nice thing too is everything we just
Speaker 1: listed Swedish meatballs and juice Lucy's and Pizza's. They're all
Speaker 1: great for watching football. Those are all great football snacking foods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would be super on board with the whole
Speaker 1: meal of just those two I'll put together. Honestly, it
Speaker 1: sounds pretty delicious. There you have it, our Uber Eats
Speaker 1: Sunday Night Meals of the week again. We got the
Speaker 1: Juicy Lucy for fits. We've got Swedish meatballs for Debro.
Speaker 1: We got pizza rolls for myself. Uber Eats has the
Speaker 1: best game day deals all season long, order now for
Speaker 1: game day. The other one I was considering I didn't
Speaker 1: pick was bunt cake, which.
Speaker 2: Is very cakes. I looked at it too. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: look at it too. Man, we have a nothing bunt
Speaker 2: cake place near my house. I can't say that.
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, gain five to ten pounds during
Speaker 3: the NFL season because of it.
Speaker 1: I believe it. I would do the same. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into this game. Joe Flacco is starting against
Speaker 1: the Vikings this week. How do we like Flacco and
Speaker 1: the Colts pass catchers going up against this ferocious Vikings
Speaker 1: pass rush debro.
Speaker 3: I mean, i'm, i'm, I think Flacco is gonna throw
Speaker 3: the ball a lot in this game. So I think
Speaker 3: for the volume, you know, okay, fire him up as
Speaker 3: a QB two in super flex leagues. As far as
Speaker 3: his efficiency and stuff, I'm very worried about it. We
Speaker 3: know that Flores is gonna blitz thee every living crap
Speaker 3: out of him. They lead the NFL and blitz rate
Speaker 3: amongst thirty five thirty six qualifying quarterbacks, Joe Flacco twenty
Speaker 3: ninth and passing grade thirty fifth, almost dead last in
Speaker 3: yards per attemph versus the blitz.
Speaker 2: So that's not good.
Speaker 3: Michael Pittman, I am gonna definitely have him low this week.
Speaker 3: I think this is a Josh Downs week, and I
Speaker 3: know again or shattering takes. I know Josh Downs has
Speaker 3: been really good, I know crazy, but Minnesota has struggled
Speaker 3: against slot wide receivers. They're allowed in the third most
Speaker 3: fantasy points per game, six most receiving yards per game
Speaker 3: to opposing slot wide receivers, so I think it's probably
Speaker 3: more of a down game for Pittman. But fire up
Speaker 3: Josh Downs, Man, I'm gonna have him comfortably as a
Speaker 3: top twenty four guy this week.
Speaker 1: I know you're being sarcastic about uh your shattering take.
Speaker 1: Fitz actually does not agree with you, based on our
Speaker 1: conversation yesterday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just well Downs in the inside the top twenty
Speaker 4: at wide receiver in ECR. And I'm just I'm not
Speaker 4: there on Josh Downs. Like everyone seems too ready to
Speaker 4: anoint him as a superstar. And we kind of got
Speaker 4: the same treatment with like Wandel Robinson earlier this season,
Speaker 4: and I was a little skeptical about that. But like,
Speaker 4: and I do like Josh Downs. I have him on
Speaker 4: some Dynasty teams. I'm like exciting he's getting used more
Speaker 4: smooth mover, sure handed, you know, some real elusiveness. But like,
Speaker 4: I'm just not ready to grant superstar status to a
Speaker 4: guy who just had a second one hundred yard game
Speaker 4: of his career last week and who has five touchdowns
Speaker 4: in twenty three career games. Like, so let's let's see
Speaker 4: a little more. And like you, Debro, I hate this
Speaker 4: matchup for the cults passing game. US Bank Stadium is
Speaker 4: a tough place to play Man and Brian Flores, like,
Speaker 4: you know, so the Vikings are going to be spitting
Speaker 4: fire after losing two straights. They're gonna blitz Flacco like crazy,
Speaker 4: and he's not the most mobile guy. We know that
Speaker 4: the DraftKings odds on an interception for Joe Flacco minus
Speaker 4: one forty five, and I might have put one of
Speaker 4: my children's college funds on that. The over the over
Speaker 4: half an interception on Joe Flacco minus one forty five.
Speaker 4: So yes, I've pretty aggressively bet that one. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the Vikings are going to smoke
Speaker 4: the Colts this week. And though I do have Downs
Speaker 4: ranked inside starter range, like, I'm not wildly excited about him,
Speaker 4: and I'm not wildly excited about Pittman either, But I'm
Speaker 4: also not totally sure that Downs is the better play
Speaker 4: than Pittman. And I know Pittman might not be one
Speaker 4: hundred percent with this back issue he's been having, but
Speaker 4: like on a week to week basis, I'm not one
Speaker 4: hundred percent sure that I'm going to be ranking Downs
Speaker 4: over Pittman every week. And maybe, as Debro has pointed out,
Speaker 4: this is a matchup that favors the slot receiver. But
Speaker 4: like people are making kind of a leap of faith
Speaker 4: with Josh Downes that I'm not ready to make yet.
Speaker 4: And maybe I'll be, you know, put in my place
Speaker 4: if he has one hundred and fifty yard game with
Speaker 4: two touchdowns this week. But until we get there, I'm
Speaker 4: not there.
Speaker 2: I want to mention one more thing on Josh Downs.
Speaker 3: Could he have been the guy we didn't talk enough
Speaker 3: about the entire offseason because we talk about all the
Speaker 3: time investing in talented second year wide receivers that flash
Speaker 3: in their rookie season. Could he be the guy that
Speaker 3: we didn't talk enough during the off season about that
Speaker 3: correlation with right now full season pace for Josh Downs
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty three targets, ninety one receptions, almost
Speaker 3: one thousand receiving yards, and eight touchdowns. That's the pace
Speaker 3: he's on right now.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver nineteen in ECR this week. By the way,
Speaker 1: just quickly before we get off this game, Deebro, do
Speaker 1: you think Flaka gives him the better chance to win
Speaker 1: this week? And I think going forward you can make
Speaker 1: the argument. Certainly, yes, Flacos played well this year, but
Speaker 1: in this particular batchup like I think both quarterbacks would
Speaker 1: struggle against the viki's defense, truthfully, but I just so
Speaker 1: worry about a statue like Joe and I love Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco obviously, but I just a statue going up against
Speaker 1: his pass rush terrifies me.
Speaker 3: I think both these quarterbacks were struggling in this matchup,
Speaker 3: whether it's a rich or Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: I think I've been.
Speaker 3: Extremely on the other side as far as a lot
Speaker 3: of consensus, which I saw a lot of people kind
Speaker 3: of pandering and reversing those takes. The more news we
Speaker 3: got that came out about the Colts, I think I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I just I don't agree with playing Joe Flacco. I
Speaker 3: don't care if you make the wild card. I think that,
Speaker 3: like I understand the locker room and all this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. How much are they worried about the locker
Speaker 3: room for everybody that's that's you know, caping up for
Speaker 3: all the locker room narratives. Yeah, because the coach cares
Speaker 3: a lot about the locker room that he didn't even
Speaker 3: talk to or didn't even discuss anything with his players.
Speaker 3: They found out through social media that their quarterback was
Speaker 3: getting benched. So yeah, your locker room. But anyway, I
Speaker 3: don't agree with him benching Anthony Richardson for the outlook
Speaker 3: of this franchise.
Speaker 2: But I think I agree that. I think both quarterbacks
Speaker 2: have struggle here.
Speaker 1: So let's go to the last game of the week
Speaker 1: Buccaneers at Chiefs fits. Kate Otten is tight end six
Speaker 1: in ECR half PPR rankings this week.
Speaker 4: Is that too high, too low?
Speaker 1: Or just right? Coming off of two weeks where he
Speaker 1: could bind four twenty targets, seventeen catches, one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty one yards and two touchdowns.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just right. I have him at te six behind
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey Brockbowers, David Njoku, Trey McBride, and Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1: H Debra.
Speaker 3: I've got him at tight end five behind Kelsey, Bauers,
Speaker 3: McBride and Ingram. Dude, Kate Otten's been so freaking good,
Speaker 3: and I think, again we talked about last week, he
Speaker 3: should be a high end flex like you should be
Speaker 3: playing him as basically a wide receiver three in your
Speaker 3: lineups like last week, twenty percent targets here, thirty percent
Speaker 3: first reach here, that's that's alpha level first read target
Speaker 3: chare like, plus you you married that with the matchup.
Speaker 3: Kansas City is one of the best matchups on the
Speaker 3: board for tight ends. Second most receiving yards, third most
Speaker 3: Fantasy points per game. The last little nugget, and this,
Speaker 3: this is eye popping, Like I'm gonna tweet this out.
Speaker 3: Since Week four, Kate Otten has averaged fifteen Fantasy points
Speaker 3: per game. And to put that in perspective for people
Speaker 3: the entirety of the season, that's equal with Brock Bowers.
Speaker 3: That is equal with Terry McLaurin for the entire season.
Speaker 1: Uh well, you guys kind of answered it by telling
Speaker 1: me who was ranked ahead of him. But I was
Speaker 1: going to ask, like Kate Otten versus Kyle Pitts, because
Speaker 1: it's two tight ends that we like. It sounds like
Speaker 1: you both have hot in the head.
Speaker 2: Hot in the head. Yeah, but I would be I
Speaker 2: would be flexing pits.
Speaker 1: This week, I think the season. Would you rather have
Speaker 1: Pits ahead of at and rest of the season.
Speaker 4: I'd rather have Pits because Mike Evans at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd rather have Pits.
Speaker 3: To just again, this is this goes back to not
Speaker 3: just a volume but a talent perspective. I think for
Speaker 3: all talent, I don't think anybody's gonna make the case
Speaker 3: for Kad Ott and over Kyle Pitts and roll talent volume.
Speaker 1: You would think Aten will still be because he'll be
Speaker 1: the number two target even once Mike Evans comes back,
Speaker 1: I meant coming back, and Pitts is still gonna be
Speaker 1: somewhere like two three four, I mean depending on the game.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, obviously talent is is.
Speaker 4: He's sort of he's sort of Tampa's answer to Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 4: a guy who's not like wild talented, but just get
Speaker 4: this elevated role. He's a very capable pass catcher, you know,
Speaker 4: playing in an offense that really needs him to step
Speaker 4: up and play a big role.
Speaker 3: That's a damn good call twenty twenty four k Ott
Speaker 3: and his twenty twenty three Jake Ferguson mount then and
Speaker 3: they'll god hang that in the loof fancy.
Speaker 2: That's a wonderful call.
Speaker 1: By the way, in our in our dynasty league that
Speaker 1: the three of us are in, I have Bowers, Pits
Speaker 1: and Kate Otten. So if one of you guys is
Speaker 1: going to get trade for a tight end, please Trey Benson.
Speaker 3: Trey Benson for Kyle Pits, let's do it. I'm still
Speaker 3: waiting on the offer one. I'm talking about it, but
Speaker 3: my bars don't gather us there. Best of lucky in
Speaker 3: your Week nine matchups, everybody.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody had a good Halloween and is excited
Speaker 1: for this, you know, November December. That's real football. So
Speaker 1: excited to get to this time of year and getting
Speaker 1: closer and closer to the fantasy playoffs. Four fits and Debro.
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