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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey there, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. It's Kristen Mrs Molly, Molly. What size

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Speaker 1: shoe do you wear? Where? Size ten? Kristen and I

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Speaker 1: learned from some tabloids yesterday that Mandy Moore wears the

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Speaker 1: same size shoe as I do. Well, well, whoa you know,

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Speaker 1: if us Weekly or of the like is to be believed.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that was definitely as Weekly

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Speaker 1: because they kind of blended together side note, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was in some some celebrity gassip Meg the other

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Speaker 1: Day stars shoe size and what a cool celebrity to

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Speaker 1: share a shoe size with Mandy Moore. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: That's the one that stuck in my head. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that stuck in my head was the Adie

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Speaker 1: clue was a size eight, which seemed kind of big

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Speaker 1: to me. It seems small. She's so tall. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Uma Thurman, I bet she's up there with you. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: there were some size elevens in that celebrity magazine but

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Speaker 1: I didn't even pay attention to them because clearly we

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Speaker 1: weren't cosmically aligned at all. Exactly. Well, um, you and

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Speaker 1: I aren't cosmically aligned either, Molly, because I'm a size nine.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's up there, Kristen. You gotta admit

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Speaker 1: it is getting up there. It is. It's a burden

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Speaker 1: to there. Really, no, I don't mind it. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: They generally have have my size, except when looking at

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Speaker 1: vintage shoes. Well, I mean, that's that's gonna be. One

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Speaker 1: of the things we talked about is how the American

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Speaker 1: well around the world, how feet are getting bigger, heal

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Speaker 1: fee are getting bigger, and whether or not bigger footed

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Speaker 1: women like you and I, Molly, are just hideously unattractive

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Speaker 1: to the opposite sex. I know, we always we like

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Speaker 1: to think we can get buy on our sparkling personalities

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Speaker 1: and are quick wit. But according to the research we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about today, we might as well just

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Speaker 1: put a scarlet a on our ourselves. Yeah, or just

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Speaker 1: start wearing bring back the trend of you know, when

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Speaker 1: with pants going over the shoes, covering shoes, just trip

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Speaker 1: around on the prairie dresses, things like that. I like

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Speaker 1: to exaggerate, and just for our clown shoes, I just

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Speaker 1: want to embrace it. Um. That's well, that's that's one idea.

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Speaker 1: Probably and Mandy Moore wearing our clown shoes together. The

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Speaker 1: reason why Molly and I are talking about foot size

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Speaker 1: today is thanks to an email that we got from

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Speaker 1: listener Diana in response to a recent podcast we did

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Speaker 1: about foot binding. And this tied into work from Diana's

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Speaker 1: colleague about foot size and gender and interpersonal attraction. Because

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Speaker 1: while we might just kind of generally assume that men

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Speaker 1: typically have larger feet than women, this has actually been

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Speaker 1: a rather controversial topic among researchers in that specific specific field.

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Speaker 1: And moreover, the question of whether or not foot size

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Speaker 1: is an indicator of interpersonal attraction or not is something

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Speaker 1: that this researcher, Daniel Fessler, has paid a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention to. So let's start with one of his studies

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Speaker 1: that Diana sentest that came from two thousand four, which

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Speaker 1: was when he wanted to, you know, sort of firmly

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Speaker 1: establish using all these old studies, what how you know

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Speaker 1: I'm a tall girl, I think that's part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why I've got this big old ten boo to mind.

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Speaker 1: Christens very tall, but you know, someone needs to do

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Speaker 1: some science to make sure we're huge. We're the gull

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Speaker 1: it's a sign of submission, exactly, exactly. It's amazing how

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Speaker 1: Cosmos body language tips, you should really head over there

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Speaker 1: I think, Molly, we've we've covered this, we have walked

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Speaker 1: Has foot size ever really played a role? And has

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Speaker 1: It's mom stuff at how stuff works dot com and Molly,

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Speaker 1: a reading list really quick from Shannon. A few of

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Speaker 1: And to Gwen, I say, just make something up. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Gwen for reading in. Aren't we always advocating honesty? Kristen,

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