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Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here

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Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing. It is summer break time around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and if you're looking for subjects to talk about, there's

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Speaker 1: never one better than Lamar Jackson. Okay, you're a Ravens supporter.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to talk about? I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Well, when everybody's hanging out around the fourth of July

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Speaker 2: and you're sitting by the grill and hanging out with

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Speaker 2: friends and family, you're talking about the Ravens upcoming season,

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Speaker 2: it won't take long before the conversation centers around Lamar

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Speaker 2: and you know, this team and him having his second

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Speaker 2: MVP and taking the next step and getting over the

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Speaker 2: hop all eyes.

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Speaker 1: Look, we just did the ten players under the radar players.

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Speaker 1: We're going way above the radar. Yes, yes, hey, this

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Speaker 1: is firmly on the radar. We're talking about the two

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Speaker 1: time MVP.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if any of the any show on

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Speaker 2: NFL Network or ESPN is having a debate or discussion

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Speaker 2: that's related to the NFL, it won't take too long

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Speaker 2: beforemar Jackson's name comes start.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so now we're done justifying why this is subject

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Speaker 1: of this podcast. Let's get into the meat of this podcast, Garrett,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to break down kind of what we

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Speaker 1: expect from Lamar in twenty twenty four, areas of growth,

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Speaker 1: different things, and let's start there. In terms of areas

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Speaker 1: of growth or for growth for Lamar Jackson, what do

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Speaker 1: you see as the biggest ones this season. I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Probably gonna just be having a even better grasp on

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Speaker 2: the offense in the second year under Todd Monkin, and

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Speaker 2: I honestly don't know like how that will become totally

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Speaker 2: evident on game days. I think the area where it

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Speaker 2: will probably come up the most is it line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 2: pre snap type stuff. But it's as a fan, as

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Speaker 2: an observer, it's difficult to always know what's happening in that,

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Speaker 2: you know, fifteen seconds before the ball is snapped. But

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Speaker 2: I think that there's going to be a lot more there,

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Speaker 2: more on his shoulders, and I think that like having

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Speaker 2: a better grasp and involvement, I guess with the offense,

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Speaker 2: like the Ravens have said many times over the course

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Speaker 2: of this offseason, was just scratching the surface with Todd

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Speaker 2: Monk and they're building things around the mare and organizing

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Speaker 2: it in a way that he likes, in his best

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Speaker 2: suited for him. So like, I just think that all

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Speaker 2: of it is going to be even more built around

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Speaker 2: them are and allow him to succeed at an even

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Speaker 2: higher level.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the club with Tom Brady recently talking

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Speaker 1: about his control at the line of scrimmage and that

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Speaker 1: was pretty enlightening in terms of how he went to

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and what was going through his

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Speaker 1: head and having, you know, both sides of the ball,

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Speaker 1: defense and offense want to be the last one to

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Speaker 1: make a move before the ball is snapped basically, right,

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Speaker 1: and you're always trying to you know, disguise your intentions

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Speaker 1: and be the last one to change things. Right. The

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks job is to really read the defense and get

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Speaker 1: the offense into the best play. Sometimes the play that's

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Speaker 1: called by the coordinator isn't this necessarily the best route

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Speaker 1: to go depending on what the defense shows, right, They

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Speaker 1: got to call that play well before what the defense,

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Speaker 1: before the defense shows anything right, really based off just personnel,

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Speaker 1: and so Lamar Jackson I think definitely took big strides

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Speaker 1: in that regard. Last year was given more freedom, was

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Speaker 1: given the proverbial keys to the car right by Todd Munkin,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with you that in year two, it's

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Speaker 1: just even more ownership of that even more comfort level

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Speaker 1: of knowing, all right, here's what I like, here's what

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Speaker 1: I think is going to beat what they're doing. And

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Speaker 1: I think Lamar has a very high football IQ. He's

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Speaker 1: really just a really smart quarterback. But that's a process,

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Speaker 1: you know, as he's kind of I don't think that

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Speaker 1: there was a ton of that under Greg Roman's offense.

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Speaker 1: Tom Munkin did embolden him more to take more control

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Speaker 1: of this offense, but that's not something that happens at

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Speaker 1: the snap of your fingers. It happened over the course

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Speaker 1: of last season and that just continues into this year.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that will make a big difference

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Speaker 1: in just not have bad plays, you know, getting into

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Speaker 1: the right plays, not having as many negative plays, all

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Speaker 2: I think the last part is also another piece of

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Speaker 2: it with the second year under Munkin, is that I

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Speaker 2: think the Ravens will have more options to beat everything

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Speaker 2: like part of that is is I guess Lamar having

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Speaker 2: more ownership, but I think that, like they have, the

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Speaker 2: Ravens are gonna have a lot of different ways to

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Speaker 2: attack you. And we're going to talk about some of

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Speaker 2: that over the course of this conversation. And I think

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Speaker 2: that the versatility within the offense, even changing plays with

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Speaker 2: that they'll have more ways to beat a team, more

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Speaker 2: will allow Lamar to have even more success. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think that, like, do you think that Lamar has

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Speaker 2: been the best running quarterback in the NFL during his

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that will continue this year? Do

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Speaker 2: you think that we will see less of that? Like?

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Speaker 2: What's your thought on how much we're going to see him?

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Speaker 1: We certainly saw him run it less last year, right,

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Speaker 1: so what happens this year? I think that it's probably

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Speaker 1: even less than it was a year ago. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think Derrick Henry's arrival certainly impacts that they look.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was the best runner on the field for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens last year. I don't know that he's the

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Speaker 1: best runner on the field for the Ravens this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Derek Henry.

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Speaker 2: And that's been the case really throughout his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, you know how much I love JK. Dobbins.

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Speaker 1: from a talent standpoint and just just a pure runner

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Speaker 1: of the football, yeah, Lamar has been. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he's still extremely dynamic. Maybe he's going to be even

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Speaker 1: more dynamic as a runner considering his weight loss, and

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Speaker 1: you know he wants to be more sudden and nimble

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But year what Derrick Henry running

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Speaker 1: the ball? Yeah, and so, and you want Lamar just

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Speaker 1: as he continues to get older, and you've got to

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Speaker 1: be mindful of making sure that you're protecting him. And

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Speaker 1: you look, I'm soldly in the camp of like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna go overboard with that. I think Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: does a great job of getting down avoiding big hits

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Speaker 1: for the most part. And I'm not gonna play scared,

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Speaker 1: that's a difference between precautious and scared. Right, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: run him period because he's so such a good runner.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna run him in critical situations when you need

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Speaker 1: as he continues in his career and gets older and

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Speaker 1: just lean more in that direction.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think that, like I think we're on

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Speaker 2: the trend here where like every year he's probably gonna

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Speaker 2: run a little bit less, Like it's not going to zero,

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Speaker 2: of course, but it's it's probably gonna trickle down every

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Speaker 2: single year, and that's probably that's part of the progression

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Speaker 2: and development as a passer. It's part of self preservation.

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Speaker 2: There's like a lot of factors that go into that.

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Speaker 2: I do think that the running him running the ball

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Speaker 2: will of course still be a pretty important piece of

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Speaker 2: this offense. But we did see last year that the

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Speaker 2: called quarterback run game was nowhere near as prevalent as

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Speaker 2: it was under Roman, for sure, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's going back in that direction.

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Speaker 1: No, certainly, absolutely. When we're talking about areas of growth

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Speaker 1: for Lamar, though, I look a little bit more nuanced,

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Speaker 1: and I think as a passer he has to hit

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Speaker 1: more of those deep shots down the field. That that

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Speaker 1: is the next beyond the x's and o's and the

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Speaker 1: mental side of the game and all we're talking about

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Speaker 1: with the pre snap adjustments and all those things, just

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Speaker 1: in terms of what play does Lamar Jackson need to

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Speaker 1: make on a more consistent basis for that? For me,

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Speaker 1: it's that. And there was an improvement on completion percentage

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Speaker 1: still not a level that Lamar Jackson is happy with.

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Speaker 1: There's just too many deep, deep balls that were too deep.

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Speaker 1: He just went too far with him And so that really,

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Speaker 1: as much as everybody wants to talk about the Ravens

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Speaker 1: not running the ball enough in the AFC Championship game,

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Speaker 1: which is true, they did not run it as much

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Speaker 1: as they intended. They didn't win the game in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: because they didn't hit those shots. If they had hit

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Speaker 1: they would have won the game. The shots were there

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Speaker 1: don't think you're going to hit them. We think we

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Speaker 1: don't think you're making that play based off film and

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Speaker 1: the analytics consistently enough. We'll take our chances. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: We'll go one on one. And the Ravens didn't hit them,

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Speaker 1: They missed them, and so you know they're going to

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Speaker 1: run the ball more this Year's that I think is

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Speaker 1: in critical situations and if they had to do over,

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Speaker 1: they would have run it more in those situations. But

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Speaker 1: they also want to hit more of those big plays

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Speaker 1: they do that. Not to mention just lead to quick points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I like, yes, if the

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Speaker 2: race that Raves had hit more deep shots in that

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Speaker 2: game than they probably win that game. Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: know that I am like circling that as much like

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Speaker 2: not to we don't need to rehash the whole WAT

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Speaker 2: Championship game. But I don't know that I'm circling that

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Speaker 2: as as much as like the key as you are.

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Speaker 1: When when the Ravens ran the ball in the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: They did not run it well, they did not. They

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Speaker 1: did not, so everybody, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: we're going down this path like you want to run

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Speaker 1: the ball more. Okay, I agree in theory, but they

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Speaker 1: weren't running very well.

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Speaker 2: They weren't. You want to rehash the whole change, you're

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Speaker 2: trying to back down that path.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just saying. We're just saying that the

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Speaker 1: shots were there, and if they hit them, it would

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Speaker 1: have been a far different.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that they're like there was and

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Speaker 2: Lamar did hit the one deep shot to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: that was a wide open play and that was that

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Speaker 2: was great. It all felt good at that point. But

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Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, the deep shots, like you don't

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Speaker 2: have to hit We're not talking like like you don't

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Speaker 2: need to hit fifteen more of them. If you hit

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Speaker 2: three more of them, it can be that's game.

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Speaker 1: In a game. In a game, No, no, no, I think

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Speaker 1: if you get like in the season, yeah, like I

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Speaker 1: mean I'm sure deep deep shots, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean those are game winners, like if you hit those,

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Speaker 1: if you hit those really big plays, like yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: I think that in addition to the deep passing game,

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that Lamar Jackson loves sewing to tight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. All right, let's take a quick break and

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Speaker 1: to be really careful with how many people they are

434
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Speaker 1: dropping back in coverage because of Derek Henry.

435
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek Hennry will change that. I also think that

436
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 2: if you go with the bigger package there, you have

437
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 2: Henry and you have the two tight ends like I

438
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,479
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. So now it's like, Okay, you have the

439
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 2: package that you know historically could be this is this

440
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: is a running package. Well it could be or it

441
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: could be you know, Isaiah Likely or Mark Andrews down

442
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: the scene. I think that like you have that flexibility

443
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 2: there and this mismatches mismatches. I think that there's going

444
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: to be more mismatches this year because of Derek Henry

445
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: on the field, and I think that, like bring the

446
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: whole conversation together. A lot of that is going to

447
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 2: be on Lamar Jackson at the line of scrimmage to

448
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,719
Speaker 2: locate those and then exploit them, and all of that

449
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,239
Speaker 2: is going to be tied together. And so that's I

450
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: just think we're going to see real growth here. I mean, here,

451
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Like when you look at Lamar and

452
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 2: the conversation, the expectations, the guy has been one of

453
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Speaker 2: the best players in the league throughout his career. He

454
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: is a two time MVP. He's been as exciting of

455
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Speaker 2: a player to watch as anybody since he's entered the league.

456
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: Whenever you turn on, like we said at the start,

457
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: you turn on First Take, you turn on a show

458
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: on ESPN, what they're going to be talking about with

459
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 2: Lamar is is the Raven's ability to get to the

460
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Like that's what it's going to have to be.

461
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: Like, that's and.

462
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: You know, Lamar has talked about that, that's he's made

463
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: He's made that those comments many times over the course

464
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Speaker 2: of his career. His focus is getting to a super Bowl,

465
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Speaker 2: getting to a super Bowl, winning a Super Bowl, winning

466
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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. That's what he wants to do. Of course,

467
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: that's what the Ravens want to do, of course, and

468
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: so they've been the number one overall see twice and

469
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: when he's been on the field throughout his career, they

470
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Speaker 2: have been among the very best teams in the league.

471
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Speaker 2: And I would expect him to be right back in

472
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Speaker 2: the thick of that conversation and the thick of that

473
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Speaker 2: race this year. And now it'll just you know, I

474
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of it will come down to the

475
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 2: playoffs and everyone will be saying the same stuff once again,

476
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Speaker 2: you know, And and Lamar is keenly aware of it.

477
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Speaker 2: And I think that he and the rest of the

478
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Speaker 2: guys on the team are focused on getting to that

479
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Speaker 2: next step.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have to get over the hump.

481
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: But it's not just him, right, I mean, there's the

482
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: whole team needs to.

483
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not just on him, right, of course.

484
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: Too much gets put on Well, Lamar Jacks is two

485
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: and four in the playoffs. The Ravens are two and

486
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Speaker 1: four in those games. It's it's right, it's the quarterback.

487
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 2: The quarterback is going to get work either side of this, Like,

488
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: quarterback wins are a calculated stat where that doesn't you

489
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: don't count tight end wins or wide receiver wins or

490
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: why completely a lot of and that's why they're the

491
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: highest paid player and that's why they get Yeah.

492
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Speaker 1: I mean, at the same time, I think it's fair

493
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Speaker 1: to say, like Lamar needs to play better in those games, right,

494
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Speaker 1: Like those have not been his best games. Those playoff

495
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: games just haven't been right. I Mean, he's thrown six

496
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Speaker 1: interceptions in those six games. You know, He's had six

497
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: fumbles in those games, Like there's just been too many

498
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: mistakes made in those games, and so what the cause

499
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: of that is, I don't know. He's also made a

500
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Speaker 1: lot of plays on the other side, great plays in

501
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: those games, right, I mean, after the.

502
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: Texts touchdowns is having those six games.

503
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Speaker 1: Six six touchdowns, six picks. So that's way different than

504
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: his regular season stats, you know. And so now that's

505
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: six passing touchdowns. He has three rushing touchdowns also, so

506
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, he's turned the ball over too much in

507
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He's also taken a lot of sacks. Twenty

508
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: six sacks in six games. That's a lot of sacks.

509
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Speaker 1: And so what is it, I don't know, you know,

510
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he wants it so so bad

511
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: that he's trying to make plays at times. You know,

512
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: the interception in double coverage last year, that's trying to

513
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: make a play. You know that he shouldn't have made

514
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Speaker 1: that throw. And so there's a balance of like wanting

515
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: it so bad in the desire win that everybody sees

516
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: that ooz is from Lamar Jackson, that you love about him,

517
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Speaker 1: like he's this super competitive guy who wants it so

518
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: so bad, And there's the balance of but not pressing

519
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: too much, right, and not trying to put too much

520
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: on your shoulders to make it happen and all that stuff.

521
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Speaker 1: And I think Derek Henry helps with that, right. I

522
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: think that last year when the Ravens weren't running the

523
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: ball well against the Chiefs and all that, you're trying

524
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: to put too much. You're trying to do a little

525
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: too much, you know, and so they're there has to

526
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: be that's the evolution of a quarterback. And look, there's

527
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: been a lot of quarterbacks in history who have started

528
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: slow in the playoffs early in their careers and then

529
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: went on the win Suit Bowls, Painton Manning being, you

530
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: know example, Aye. And so Lamar Jackson is Lamar Jackson

531
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: being Lamar Jackson, and you know, as good as he is,

532
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna have the Ravens right in the thick of

533
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Speaker 1: things for many years to come, and he's going to

534
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Speaker 1: have more bites at this apple. And I feel very

535
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: confident that he's gonna he's gonna eventually, you know, feast

536
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: on that apple and we'll all be feasting and so

537
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: but sometimes that takes time, you know.

538
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I think that Lamar and the

539
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: other players that have been on the scene for you know,

540
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: a while now, guys like Mark Andrews, who are part

541
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: of that core. I think there's an understanding of you

542
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: want to get to that point, of course, but also

543
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: like not not look not like the work starts now.

544
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: You're not playing the AFC Championship today, And I think

545
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: there's an understanding of that. And I also think there's

546
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: an understanding of like how hard it is to get

547
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: to that point. You know, that was the first AFC

548
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: Championship with Maura, Mark Andrews and Marlon Humphrey and you know,

549
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: guys who have been here a long time, you know,

550
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: have ever played in and so I think that there's

551
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: an understanding and appreciation for it's hard to get there,

552
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of work that goes into getting

553
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: into that situation and putting yourself in that situation. And

554
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: I think that they they know that, and I think

555
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: that you know, they're focused on getting to that point.

556
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 2: And you know, it's a long season, so this conversation

557
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: about the playoffs is going to be had, you know,

558
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: twenty million different times between now and the postseason. But

559
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: when you look at the Ravens ten years since Lamar

560
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: has been in the NFL. They've been the number one

561
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: overall seed twice. They were the number one overall seed

562
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: twice before Lamar got hurt in twenty twenty one and

563
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two at the time when he got hurt,

564
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: and so like, they have been among the best teams

565
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: in the league. And I think that that they'll be

566
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: right back in that and that mix one again the season,

567
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: and I think that Lamar will will probably be having

568
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: conversations many times about him being in the thick of

569
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: the the MVP race once again, like that, that's that's

570
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: what I expect for this, you know, I think that

571
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: that is what this team could do this year. So,

572
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, Lamar obviously being being the driver of the

573
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: whole thing.

574
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we you know, we differ a little bit on

575
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: the whole conversation of does a quarterback either have the

576
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: ability or not have the ability to win it? All? Right,

577
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: you're a some guys are born with it. Some guys aren't.

578
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: The guys who can win it? Guys you can't, yea.

579
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's how you fall in this. I don't

580
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: really fall I don't fall that way. I think that

581
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: like there's just so many things that there's luck. There's

582
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: so many factors that go into whether guys win in

583
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: or don't, right, And but I will say this, Lamar

584
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: Jackson is a guy who can win it all.

585
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're coming over to my side.

586
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not, But I'm just saying, Lamar Jackson

587
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: is a guy who can win it all.

588
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I totally think so. And you know, Willie

589
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: time will tell. But I think that, like, I think

590
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: that the Ravens are a really good position. I think

591
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: that he's in a really good position. I think that

592
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a great year. I think he's gonna

593
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: have a I think he's got to have this horrific season.

594
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: And you know, I think the Ravens are gonna win

595
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: a lot of games this year, and he's going to

596
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: put up a lot of big numbers, a lot of

597
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: exciting plays, and it's gonna be fun. The other thing too,

598
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: that I will mention is we're talking about like a

599
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: lot of success. I do also want to remind listeners

600
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: to email us at the Lounge at Ravens at NFL

601
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: dot net and continue with those emails letting us know

602
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: how much I dominated you in the beach.

603
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: You are oblivious, my friend.

604
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: How much dominated you if you haven't done so already?

605
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: And the podcast so that we posted on Monday where

606
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: we looked at the top ten under the radar players

607
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: to pay attention to this season. We did a draft

608
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Speaker 2: about items to bring to the beach and it was

609
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: a landslide.

610
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Was it was. It was a landslide victory for.

611
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Speaker 2: The emails have been rolling out. I'll internal straw pole

612
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: here in our office is everybody is on my side, though, Baal,

613
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: although two.

614
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: To one, two to one on your side, I will

615
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: admit you won the internal poll with our employees. I've

616
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: never been more disappointed my coworks in my entire life.

617
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Any wait, I mean you know, I love to sing

618
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the praises of my coworkers. I love to sing their praises.

619
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: They all do great work. But this is enlightening.

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Speaker 2: It was like an eighty percent twenty percent situation.

621
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: It was it was two to one. It was too

622
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Speaker 1: to one.

623
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Speaker 2: No no no no no, no, no, no no no one.

624
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: You just keep you just keep saying things that aren't

625
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: true in hopes that like you're trying to speaking into

626
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: existence and are pulling it up. You just gotta take

627
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: the l and keep on moving.

628
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Speaker 1: Which is you had fourteen, I had six.

629
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Speaker 2: That's not two to one almost, it's not closer to

630
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Speaker 2: two to one eighty twenty, it's not two to one.

631
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Speaker 2: Devote for myself yet fourteen seven. You're about to fourteen seven.

632
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: Look look, here's the thing. Okay, and I've said this

633
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: to other people.

634
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: You took me out, and here's the thing yours, yours

635
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: with the beer in the chair. You're having a great

636
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: time until about noon. You're partying, you're having a great time,

637
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: and then it's then that sunburn starts to set in

638
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: that sunburn, you have no shade. You're a miserable human

639
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: being beyond Nune. Like if you're just doing morning beach morning, yeah,

640
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: you you win, but we said day at the beach,

641
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: day full day at the beach. You get past noon,

642
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: you are a miserable human being. You're hungover, you're homever

643
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: with no shade, your burnt.

644
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: All I know is that you clearly don't like the beach,

645
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: because all you did was select things that were like

646
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: then protected you from the beach.

647
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: You just want to you have to have some shade.

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Speaker 1: You just I'm not playing football what are you talking.

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Speaker 1: I'm boogie boardon, I'm playing football, I'm having a great time,

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Speaker 1: and then I can relax in the shade. You have

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Speaker 1: no shelter. One of the tenets of life is shelter.

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Speaker 1: You just want. All you want is just to be inside.

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Speaker 1: You can just you should just be inside. Just just

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Speaker 1: skip the was just fun for a couple hours, but

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Speaker 1: this is a day on the beach and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be miserable, my friends, just skip the day.

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Speaker 2: So again, you can email us at the lounge at

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Speaker 2: Ravens dot NFL dot net. You can join the thousands

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Speaker 2: of people who are on my side, tens of thousands

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Speaker 2: of people who are on my side, and the tens

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Speaker 2: of people who are on mix side if you fall

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Speaker 2: in that camp. So thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: We will be back with you again next week. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: the rest of this fourth of July week and holiday,

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Speaker 2: and we will talk with you again soon