WEBVTT - “The Summer I Turned Pretty” Turns UGLY

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, they're folks. It is Sunday, August twenty fourth. And

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<v Speaker 1>you remember when I said I was teen Conrad. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I take it back right now. Welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Amy and TJ. Just because I'm off team Conrad

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I'm on team Jeremiah actually robes, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to withdraw myself from this debate. I unwittingly got into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was just all fun and game to

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<v Speaker 1>talking about some teenagers your own team, this team that

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<v Speaker 1>I had a debate and arguments in air quotes there

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<v Speaker 1>with my twelve year old child about it on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta take it back. This is a little more

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<v Speaker 1>serious than I gave it credit for.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yes, because people take their teams very seriously as

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of life or death. Apparently, it's always remarkable

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I think it's a good thing, obviously for

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon and for any of the actors. When people are

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<v Speaker 2>invested in your show, they care about the outcome. That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a point in which people care too

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<v Speaker 2>much and people forget. You know, this isn't a reality show.

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<v Speaker 2>These aren't actual people who are actually in a relationship triangle.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a script. It was actually a series of

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<v Speaker 2>three books. It's hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, show hit correct it to be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fictional. It's fictional, so it's fun to root

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<v Speaker 2>for people. It's fun to be on someone's team. I

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<v Speaker 2>totally get that, but I just think it's frightening that

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<v Speaker 2>people can't separate reality from fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I didn't realize when the show came out

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<v Speaker 1>several weeks ago. When it launched this third season the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon in their official social media pages actually put up

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<v Speaker 1>warnings of people about bullying and harassment and said it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to be tolerated. We'll give you the full

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<v Speaker 1>text of that in a second. But they knew or

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<v Speaker 1>they anticipated rhades this coming. You were talking about such

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<v Speaker 1>a hit, and it's this fiction and well written. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how I think it should be celebrated. I was saying

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<v Speaker 1>this to Sabine. I am a forty eight year old

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<v Speaker 1>black man. This this book was not written for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The show was not done for me. But I am

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<v Speaker 1>engaged they have me reacting to things on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that must be brilliant writing. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>is a great show. Why has it become such a

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<v Speaker 1>negative thing that you gotta want Hey, heads up, this

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<v Speaker 1>hit show's coming back. Behave.

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<v Speaker 2>It's disturbing because, yes, this was a trilogy for young adults.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a young adult book trilogy that has been

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<v Speaker 2>made into a show on Amazon Prime. But this made

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<v Speaker 2>me laugh because it's made audience is not teenagers, even

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<v Speaker 2>though yes, art you're soon to be teenager, and my

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old and twenty two year old are like

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<v Speaker 2>that should be. You would think that's the target audience

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<v Speaker 2>right anywhere from perhaps twelve or a tween, all the

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<v Speaker 2>way up until you're maybe late twenties, even because it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about young love and your first summer love, all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. So I get it. But according to Amazon Prime,

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<v Speaker 2>the main audience is not that age group I said,

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<v Speaker 2>but twenty five to fifty four year old women. That

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's fun and nostalgic to reflect back on your

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<v Speaker 2>first love.

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<v Speaker 1>That why is it that is the age group? Why

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<v Speaker 1>would you say twenty five to fifty four year old

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<v Speaker 1>woman would be so into this show?

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<v Speaker 2>So do you know what? It reminds me of nine

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<v Speaker 2>two and oh so I'm fifty two, so I would

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<v Speaker 2>be in that age group and back in the day

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<v Speaker 2>that was the coming of age. Show on Fox nine

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<v Speaker 2>O two and oh, and you were either team Dylan

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<v Speaker 2>or team Brandon. This is actually reminded me so I

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<v Speaker 2>remember my college roommate my freshman year. I was team Brandon.

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<v Speaker 2>She was team Dylan, and so she put a poster

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<v Speaker 2>of Dylan over her bunk bed and I put a

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<v Speaker 2>poster of Brandon on my bunk bed.

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<v Speaker 1>The girl fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they weren't necessarily fighting over. It was just who

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<v Speaker 2>you liked best. So it's not it wasn't necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>love triangle. No, no, this was no, it wasn't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But still there were the two kind of main heart throbs,

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<v Speaker 2>and those girls would say over who they liked more,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the better boyfriend? Who was the better guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Did she ever get to a fight over it? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you lose your friendship over it?

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<v Speaker 2>I was annoyed that she liked Dylan. I thought she

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy, and then she was annoyed that I like Brandon.

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<v Speaker 2>But it stopped. It ended there. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a joke. We would talk about it. It would get

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<v Speaker 2>a little heated sometimes, but we were joking.

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<v Speaker 1>It was passionate. Passionate is it wasn't ugly and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this now. Gavin cas Castelagno, Castelano, Castelania, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Castelanio is the young fella that plays Jeremiah. Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be getting so much of the hate right

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<v Speaker 1>now on the show. Full disclosure here, we said it.

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<v Speaker 1>We are only up to season two episode four ish

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<v Speaker 1>or five ish, so we're not completely caught up. But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently this last new episode people really episode seven, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't appreciate something that went down that we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen yet, but something with Jeremiah, So some more hate came.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still real. He just did a new interview with

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times. We'll get into his comments here,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said he's been kind of detached from it,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of that was intentional. And it's even spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about people coming up to him on the street. I

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<v Speaker 1>figured he was going to say, yeah, they come up

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<v Speaker 1>to me and they're all nice and fine. He said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they come up to him complaining and bitching about a

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<v Speaker 1>fictional character that he plays as an actor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, among the many things he said to The New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times, he was reminding readers and viewers who were

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<v Speaker 2>reading his interview with The New York times that this,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact is a fictional character, This in fact is

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<v Speaker 2>a script based on a book that was already written.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't actually him, He is not Jeremiah, he is Gavin.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we even having to say that it's scary?

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<v Speaker 1>It is? And that's word was used by another actor

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<v Speaker 1>as well, Lola Tong, who plays Belly in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>She used that word scary. It's actually scary what happens

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<v Speaker 1>out there. So we talk about this in looks sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>how much of it is just heated debate and fun

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<v Speaker 1>and passion says like whoa pump the brakes here? This

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<v Speaker 1>is going too far? And I don't know robes some

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<v Speaker 1>of the comments I plucked in here, and these are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the most recent. I didn't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>very far to find these. Is this just passion and

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<v Speaker 1>fun stuff on social media? Is it? Should we take

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<v Speaker 1>it this? I don't know how how heavy do you

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<v Speaker 1>find these comments?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that for the most part they're comical. For

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, they're funny, But there are a few

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<v Speaker 2>that are scary because not everybody you know, it's It's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things where it is disturbing because there

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<v Speaker 2>are people out there and I do wonder in this

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<v Speaker 2>age of technology where all of our kids and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is just online, there is almost a lack of social

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<v Speaker 2>there's this social ineptness for a lot of folks. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult for some kids who have grown up with

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but their screens and their connection to people online,

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<v Speaker 2>and they kind of lump it all in the same

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<v Speaker 2>boat where it's all just it's removed from actually having

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<v Speaker 2>a one on one so they aren't able to actually

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<v Speaker 2>discern with what's real and what's not. I do worry

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<v Speaker 2>about that a little bit, and so yes, some of

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<v Speaker 2>these for that reason. And people are disturbed sometimes and

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<v Speaker 2>people are, you know, mentally not the same as others.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there are concerns I would as an actor,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be concerned that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that's too bad. So just the example of the

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<v Speaker 1>comments that's you're playing a Figure's one thing that you know, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Comedians sometimes they take it to a line and their

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<v Speaker 1>protests and things and they're targeted in some way. But

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about real individuals. If to target someone we're

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<v Speaker 1>playing a character seems bizarre, it does. It does actors,

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<v Speaker 1>they're actors, Okay, So you be the judge. Folks, just

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<v Speaker 1>a few examples, Jeremiah Fisher gets a lot of hate,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not enough. That's not bad. That's fine. We

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<v Speaker 1>get he gets a lot of hate, it's not enough. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>that seemed to take it too far, but fine. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they get into a little nastier stuff where we just say,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking shag talking about the character. Guys, don't hate on

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah without me. Yeah, that could be funny, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be seen. But then a few of these get a

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<v Speaker 1>little nastier. What episode does he die? Whoo?

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<v Speaker 2>That's stuff. I've seen ones that say like, Jeremiah is

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<v Speaker 2>the smallest man who ever lived. This was straight up diabolical,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so they're attributing, you know, satanic like qualities

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<v Speaker 2>to him. There are other concerning comments that just make

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<v Speaker 2>people say, join with me, am, I the only one

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<v Speaker 2>who hates Jeremiah. Like, just even using the word hate

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<v Speaker 2>is disturbing to me. I never hated a character more

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<v Speaker 2>than I hated Jeremiah. Okay. And also people say like

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<v Speaker 2>Jared knows exactly what he's doing here, how petty Jared

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<v Speaker 2>knows exactly what he's doing here. It's almost as if

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<v Speaker 2>they're attributing like a mindset to Jeremiah and then putting

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<v Speaker 2>it on Gavin the actor as being a bad person

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<v Speaker 2>for being manipulative.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the passion there. A lot of this is

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<v Speaker 1>directed at the character A lot of times. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of folks are still the language seems a little strong,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of it is directed at the character.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like how he's manipulating her. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>when he did this, and that criticism is fair and fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like this guy, and you're caught up in

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<v Speaker 1>that fictional world too.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's totally fun and fine to hate on characters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just when it bleeds over to the actual actor.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to point out I loved what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>What Delta Airlines did was hilarious, and if you jump

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<v Speaker 2>on their social media account, people were praising their social

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<v Speaker 2>media team because it was a moment where the airline

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<v Speaker 2>jumped in on all of the social fervor. But they

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<v Speaker 2>said seats for the boys, and they showed that one

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<v Speaker 2>of their planes and it showed Conrad's seat first class,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it showed Jeremiah's seat, the toilet seat, and

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<v Speaker 2>people went off and just said same. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>how much I love Delta Flying Delta Forever now, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really actually remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with what they did even I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of clever and they jumped on board. But

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<v Speaker 1>when somebody writes, what episode does he die? Somebody writes

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<v Speaker 1>fuck him and you in response to Amazon for just

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<v Speaker 1>posting something about the show. When somebody says Jeremiah has

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<v Speaker 1>such a punishable face, When somebody says he needs to die,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so serious, what episode does he die?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Again? Is it all? It's just this is just how

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<v Speaker 1>people talk online. Yeah, that might be true, and we

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<v Speaker 1>so desensitize now to this that this is no big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wonder too, when you know, we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants obviously we have First Amendment rights and

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants to curtail speech, but when it threatens

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<v Speaker 2>violence and when it proposes violence. I saw one where

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<v Speaker 2>they were talking about, hey, can one of the episodes

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<v Speaker 2>be written in where each character gets to punch Jeremiah

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<v Speaker 2>in the face? And can I get in line too?

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<v Speaker 1>That's wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I wonder at what point is it actionable?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, because you cannot threaten violence, you cannot incite violence.

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<v Speaker 2>That is when free speech ends again.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're still talking about them suggesting violence on a

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<v Speaker 1>fictional show. Now, my suggest my question is that still

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<v Speaker 1>a problem? What you just relay there? If we have

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<v Speaker 1>that mindset, and does that eventually bleed over into the

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<v Speaker 1>real world.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully not, probably not, But you can't say that it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't in an isolated moment with the right person when

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<v Speaker 2>I say the right person the wrong person at the

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<v Speaker 2>right time. Like you, just if you're that actor, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're Gavin, would.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be in a crowd of people? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be in front of thousands or something

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<v Speaker 1>having an event and one person says something and cites

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<v Speaker 1>something in some way? Would you want to be in

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<v Speaker 1>that and think that this kid could be Again, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no suggestion that his safety, any of their safety right

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<v Speaker 1>now is threatened. But he spoke on this stuff. Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>puts something out they are addressing and taking it seriously

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<v Speaker 1>enough that they are speaking on it, then it must

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<v Speaker 1>be that serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Amazon, the official post did they put on x

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<v Speaker 2>This was their community guidelines as season three was starting.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, we have a zero tolerance policy for bullying

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<v Speaker 2>and hate speech. If you engage in any of the

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<v Speaker 2>following you will be banned hate speech, for bullying, targeting

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<v Speaker 2>are cast or crew, harassing or doxing members of this community. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>it speaks volumes.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's good too. I guess it's almost as if

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<v Speaker 1>Robes does every show. Certainly every reality show has to

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<v Speaker 1>put that out before a new season comes out. Love

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<v Speaker 1>Island just did it, and it got attention.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like that's fairly new though. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Love Island thing was a big deal and that

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely happened. And I understand to an extent because these

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<v Speaker 2>are actually real people portraying their real selves and their

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<v Speaker 2>real lives, and so if the hate is there, the

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<v Speaker 2>hate is directed at that person, not someone they're playing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand that a little bit. This is well

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<v Speaker 2>because Amazon had to say, Cousins, that's the beach, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Cousins is our safe place, Everything good, everything magical. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>keep the conversation kind this summer. Yeah, they knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna get ugly, but I guess it's just to

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<v Speaker 2>me it's different, Like it can be fun to root

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<v Speaker 2>for people to not like a character. We all do

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<v Speaker 2>that in every movie, every TV show we watch, And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I get that in reality shows like soap operas, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>My God, My girlfriends and I again in college, would

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<v Speaker 2>root for people and not root for people. But if

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<v Speaker 2>I ever saw the actor, I would be just as

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<v Speaker 2>excited to see the person I was rooting against character

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<v Speaker 2>wise as the character I was rooting for, because I

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<v Speaker 2>understand their actors. I do think that there is language

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<v Speaker 2>that is not okay period, whether you're rooting or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hoping someone isn't going to You can hope somebody dies

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<v Speaker 2>on a show. I get that that's fine, but as

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<v Speaker 2>long as it doesn't get and they don't use certain

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<v Speaker 2>words that we're seeing being used, it's that scary.

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<v Speaker 1>And folks will tell you the lead actress, Belly, she

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<v Speaker 1>gets her own share of hate, but we'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>her full quote that ended with this, it's not that serious. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll tell you exactly what Jeremiah himself told The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, we continue now again. This episode all

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<v Speaker 1>about me retracting my support for Conrad. On the summer,

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<v Speaker 1>I turned pretty Rose. You were out of town last

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<v Speaker 1>week a couple of days dropping anal software sophomore year

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Colorado. They're in Boulder, And so

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<v Speaker 1>while you were gone a couple of days, Bean and

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<v Speaker 1>I did a lot of the summer I turned pretty

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<v Speaker 1>watching and then you came back and she was very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted to put it right on, and you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know all that was going on, and you looked in

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<v Speaker 1>all this Conrad and Jeremiah stuff, you were hilarious because

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<v Speaker 1>you immediately had an opinion as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I immediately was on team Conrad, like maybe, and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, sometimes it might just be a looks thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're both gorgeous men, so it's nothing about like

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<v Speaker 2>both of them are hot, so to speak. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was just something about Conrad I liked more immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is again, this is a woman who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know any about the backstory and anything you might be

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<v Speaker 1>upset with the character about You had none of that background.

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<v Speaker 1>You just looked immediately and reacted.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, it was hearing them talk, hearing them just

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<v Speaker 2>I gave it about five minutes and then I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm completely team Conrad, like without it out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just your lane and that's fine and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>it fun. And Savine is in his screaming at us

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<v Speaker 1>because she's on board.

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<v Speaker 2>With team Jeremiah. But I love that. That makes it

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<v Speaker 2>fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>But she has good logic, I thought, and her logic

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<v Speaker 1>was he is more into her, he is better for her.

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<v Speaker 2>He cheated on her though.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the what we haven't gotten to that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I did know that, Oh I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that part.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that part.

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<v Speaker 2>And Conrad was her first love. And I think, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think there is something to this idea, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's romanticized among women, but you've got your first love,

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<v Speaker 2>your true love, and that's the one that's the most meaningful,

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<v Speaker 2>that has the most roots, and so to cheer for

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<v Speaker 2>that to return, or for cheer to cheer for that

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<v Speaker 2>to outlive some new fleeting thing fleeting And I always

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<v Speaker 2>I know the episodes I saw, and now I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of into it, so I'm obviously going to be watching

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<v Speaker 2>it completely. Both of my daughters are fully into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been hearing about this for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>For years now. My daughters have been talking about every time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we share a Netflix account, I always see

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<v Speaker 2>where they are. On the summer, I turn pretty So

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that they were huge fans of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess I just I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>teen thing. And then now that so beans into it,

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<v Speaker 2>we're watching it. It is fun to get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's just it's it's almost like watching a sporting

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<v Speaker 2>event go that far. That's been preordained.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's not go that far. Do not compare the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I turned pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>March madness all over again, except for in August. Intan,

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<v Speaker 2>I did that just to get a reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of here. Yeah, you got one. But the kid

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<v Speaker 1>keep only the kid. It's grown ass man. Yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>still play young people on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>But twenty five years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Gavin sat again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I don't have it in front of me. I

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<v Speaker 2>have to look at it to be able to Cassolinio.

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<v Speaker 2>Gavin Cassolino twenty five years old, married, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did not know. Yeah, newly married, and has

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<v Speaker 2>apparently been traveling in Indonesia and Thailand all summer, and

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<v Speaker 2>he says he hasn't even watched an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for him, do you believe that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you've been traveling around. And also he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I already lived it, I already acted it, I already

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<v Speaker 2>know the scripts. I don't need to watch it again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of actors are. It's hard for

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<v Speaker 2>them to watch themselves period because they get critical and

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<v Speaker 2>they start overthinking things. So that could also be a

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<v Speaker 2>reason why. But I think he knows and is very

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<v Speaker 2>much aware of the hate online, and it probably might

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<v Speaker 2>be good for mental health and continued career success to

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<v Speaker 2>take a step back from that and to just live

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<v Speaker 2>your life as a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>That's too that's too bad. You played a character people

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<v Speaker 1>don't like, so why should that translate to people not

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<v Speaker 1>liking you? And to your point as well, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>him as well when he says he hasn't been watching

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<v Speaker 1>because we and look, we've been in an industry on

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<v Speaker 1>television a long time. Never went back and try to watch,

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<v Speaker 1>never went back and watch.

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<v Speaker 2>The only reason I have ever gone back and watched,

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<v Speaker 2>which I have, is to critique myself, to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to be better, how to do better, how to not

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<v Speaker 2>make mistakes. So I have watched myself, but it's been difficult,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's almost been mandatory. It's not been enjoyable or

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining in any way. So I get that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So good again, good for him. But he said I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was interesting the way he put this about

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<v Speaker 1>the things and coming his way. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a single human being in the world who can

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<v Speaker 1>carry the emotional negativity to the degree that stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>this happens. And I think that's why Amazon did a

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<v Speaker 1>good job of stepping in and being like, hey, no bullying,

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<v Speaker 1>though not really going so well. It's this idea like

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<v Speaker 1>who can who can bear this?

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<v Speaker 2>No one because people think it's all funny, and it

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<v Speaker 2>might be to an extent. And he did say that

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<v Speaker 2>what he has seen is comical. He said, his sister

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<v Speaker 2>sends him memes, some of the funniest memes. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking maybe like what Delta did, like he saw. He

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<v Speaker 2>probably saw what Delta did and thought that was funny,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that looks good, funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like she can filter things out and hey, check

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<v Speaker 1>this one out.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's funny, this one's in good spirit. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it is about the character, it's not about him and

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<v Speaker 2>so and I would laugh at that too. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when you some people have to play the wicked Witch

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<v Speaker 2>of the West or the evil stepmother, and those are

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<v Speaker 2>actually really fun roles to play. Playing the good guy's

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<v Speaker 2>actually really boring. So you can lean into that and

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy all of that. It's just when it gets scary

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<v Speaker 2>and mean and threatening that it changes. But he did

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<v Speaker 2>say for the most part, he finds all the hate

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<v Speaker 2>comical that people are that invested that they care that much.

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<v Speaker 2>But he can say that because he's not reading the comments,

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<v Speaker 2>which is super smart and would encourage him to continue

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<v Speaker 2>with that practice because that is the only way forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting, I'm trying to think of a character that

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<v Speaker 1>I've hated so much on a show or in a

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<v Speaker 1>movie that I would if I ran into that actor

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<v Speaker 1>on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's different.

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<v Speaker 1>How could I feel any negative thing towards them?

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<v Speaker 2>For we interviewed Freddy Krueger, So I think that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's funny, like I love well, I loved the actor,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Freddy Krueger. But yeah, I find it so.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun villain somebody you hated. So I'm not even a

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<v Speaker 1>Monster type things, at least off somebody character Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>even thinking about Billy Bob Thornton in Monster right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about like.

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<v Speaker 2>Just maybe the guy who does it puts the lousier

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<v Speaker 2>to the desk, afraid of love that actor, But that's true,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't. I'm trying to think of somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Who have you been turned off so much as a character,

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<v Speaker 1>just the character that it would translate to the actor.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate some characters.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of somebody were I wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to be just as excited to meet that actor because

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<v Speaker 2>they elicited a certain feeling from me, like I think, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a very good actor. If you can make me

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<v Speaker 2>hate you so much in the movie, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know who you are and how amazing you are, because

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you're a phenomenal actor.

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<v Speaker 1>We should try to come up with somebody. But also

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<v Speaker 1>Lola toongue the young lady that plays Belly. These were

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<v Speaker 1>her comments as well in a previous interview, saying, when

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<v Speaker 1>people have an attachment to the characters, they want to

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<v Speaker 1>see it come together at the end. I'm so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>they care so much. But people get a little scary

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, I mean, and maybe that's the right way

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<v Speaker 2>to put it. They get a little scary, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how scary it is until it actually becomes scary.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do appreciate her other comment that she did,

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<v Speaker 2>or the rabid fans out there of this show to

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<v Speaker 2>adhere to. Please don't threaten to kill someone if something

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't go your way. I promise you it's not that serious.

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<v Speaker 2>And ain't that the truth. It's not that serious.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to say that is scary.

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<v Speaker 2>And they may be anticipating. So here's the deal. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't give the spoiler because I looked it up of

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<v Speaker 2>how the book ends, and I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people know how the book ends.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But here's the deal. The author of these books,

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<v Speaker 2>who's been working with the she even had a cameo

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<v Speaker 2>in one of the a couple cameos I think, in

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<v Speaker 2>some of the episodes. But she has said that she

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<v Speaker 2>has specifically been open to is how she put it,

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<v Speaker 2>not having it end the same way as the books.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's put it out there that the way the

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<v Speaker 2>show ends might not be how the books end. So

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<v Speaker 2>everyone is on the edge of their seats to see

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<v Speaker 2>who Belly will end up with, even if you've read

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<v Speaker 2>the books.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so it's up in the air, folks. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we are clearly into this. I cannot believe in the

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<v Speaker 1>past four days, I've done two episodes on the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>I turn pretty there's gonna be a few more, hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure it.

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<v Speaker 1>Means it's a good show. So as always, we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you hanging with Austin. If you all come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a character that you hated so much on screen that

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<v Speaker 1>you think it would actually translate to that real life actor.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll try to think of it too. It could be

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<v Speaker 2>another episode. But in the meantime, everyone, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>listening to us. I made me Robock alongside t. Jhilmes.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great day.