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Speaker 1: Do you know about the Caroline Manzo and Brandy Glanville thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a tiny bit.

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Speaker 1: Caroline has filed a lawsuit because of a trip to

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Speaker 1: sexual assault incident.

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Speaker 2: And was it? Did they describe what that was?

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Speaker 1: A grabbing of a boob? Was what was discussed. So

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Speaker 1: my feeling is that Caroline Manzo who had a quote

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Speaker 1: saying like, if you're hang out by a dumpster, you're

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Speaker 1: I knew that she left the show. She was one

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Speaker 1: of the few people that have left the show versus

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Speaker 1: being fired. Ninety nine point nine percent of people that

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Speaker 1: say they've left, it's been they've been fired. And she

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Speaker 1: did leave, and she didn't want to go back, but

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Speaker 1: like the pandemic hit everybody, and I'm sure it would

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Speaker 1: which is the most desperate house of all. The fired

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Speaker 1: you know, jump through hoops and set themselves on fire,

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Speaker 1: or just like to be relevant again. There's a thousand reasons.

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Speaker 1: So now Caroline goes in and she knows who the

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I don't know exactly what happened. It's

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Speaker 1: different versions of it. Nothing happened to it's Bravo's fault too,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's Mickey Mouse's fault. But Brandy is known

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Speaker 1: when she since she's left, she's gone back in as

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Speaker 1: a guest to get wild and wasted. So this environment

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Speaker 1: wreck activity. So is it surprising that this would go

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Speaker 1: down there there's a ledge that they were smoking pot

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Speaker 1: and morocco and go to jail. Painting a picture for

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Speaker 1: you to get your take on this whole situation, because

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Speaker 1: mine is, don't hate the player, hate the game.

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Speaker 2: I am so.

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Speaker 3: Cynical about reality, right and like how things go down,

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Speaker 3: and also just cancel culture, like somebody can say, like

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Speaker 3: I don't fucking know.

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Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. Like, yes, I do agree.

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Speaker 3: I dated somebody that worked in real filmed reality, and

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Speaker 3: there would be stories that like people would text on

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Speaker 3: on the show to boost their ratings, right like hey,

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Speaker 3: or like news that would break. But they're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Whatever, So no, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: The producers will hand you the New York Post and say,

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Speaker 1: tell Jennifer about this, like Christina kirkmana squat with their

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Speaker 1: to somebody else. Obviously you were that yeah that yeah,

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Speaker 1: So they want so they wanted Brandy to be Brandy,

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Speaker 1: and Brandy went there and was Brandy. I mean you

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Speaker 1: I've heard them say, well, of course we know this

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Speaker 3: Also you're you're throwing all these people together that are

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Speaker 3: It's just it's hard to it's hard to make sense

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Speaker 2: I don't fucking enough. I don't know, Bet, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And it's also the activity, the activation, the adrenaline is

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Speaker 1: another level from anything I've ever expected. What's going on

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Speaker 1: So it's why it's hard to judge a circumstance based

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Speaker 3: Everyone's drinking like you're at a heightened Jela.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why I love you like people that

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Speaker 3: like if you have your shtick and you kind of

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Speaker 1: And well, everybody wants you to catch somebody in something,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Or what's your favorite Housewives franchise and what's your

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Speaker 1: it's great to do because it's like I'm a new

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Speaker 1: just that's not the nature of what the train wreck

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Speaker 2: I used to love again, I haven't, like I keep

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Speaker 2: up with Beverly Hills now.

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Speaker 3: I used to Jersey was like, well, because Jersey like

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Speaker 3: it feels like home. Watching Jersey like Jersey New York, it.

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Speaker 2: Just feels like home.

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Speaker 3: I loved Atlanta, I loved Potomac. Those were like I

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Speaker 2: Now. It's just really I just gave up with Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know the difference anymore. Yeah, Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: is like another level that's like, you know, not landing

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