WEBVTT - The Habitable Epoch

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot Com. Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Douglas. Julie, welcome back from vacation. Where did you go?

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Via Keys. It's a small island right

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Puerto Rico. I went to go see bioluminescent Bay. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>with a microplankton that blows. Unfortunately, and they don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite sure what's going on there. They were

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<v Speaker 1>not surfacing, so they don't know if it's a changing

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<v Speaker 1>climate or if they were disturbed somehow. But um, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a bummer. But I hope that they get that

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<v Speaker 1>back because it's an amazing thing. I think it's only

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<v Speaker 1>one of two places in the world that has that

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<v Speaker 1>level of bioluminescence. Cool. I mean you get to see

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff obviously, Yeah, lots of wild horses, um, all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of really cool things. Well, welcome back, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the podcast, and welcome back listeners to

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<v Speaker 1>outer Space. We've been talking about wanting to hit some

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<v Speaker 1>more space content because I mean that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>DNA of the show and we haven't been there recently,

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go into space into some big cosmic questions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've talked about this before, this idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>goldilocks principle and how Earth is just the perfect place, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not too hot, not too cold. Um, but what

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<v Speaker 1>else is going out there in the universe? And we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to get at this idea of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the universe is not this dead, you know, void of space.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually a living universe. Yeah. You you always end

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<v Speaker 1>up coming back around to that, that whole scenario. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You look out into into space as as much as

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<v Speaker 1>we can as an individual understand space. You see all

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<v Speaker 1>that darkness and uh. And as the saying goes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that there's life out there, and there's the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that there's nothing out there. And both of those

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<v Speaker 1>ideas are completely mind blowing to think that there is

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<v Speaker 1>life thinking or just kerdel ng and and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reproducing itself somewhere, or there's just nothing it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>dead universe. And both of those have a tremendous effect

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<v Speaker 1>on you if you stop to really chew them over. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you add the time element to it because

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, you could look at you know, some people

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<v Speaker 1>look at space and the universe and they think of

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<v Speaker 1>it in futuristic terms. One day we will conquer it.

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<v Speaker 1>One day we will know more about it. Other people

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<v Speaker 1>look at it as a relic. As if you're peering

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<v Speaker 1>into deep space, you are peering into deep time, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can reverse engineer time and try to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>something about how we came into being exactly now, we

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<v Speaker 1>of course have a humans have an evolving, continuingly evolving

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the cosmos. Uh. You go back not even

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<v Speaker 1>too long ago, in our very brief period of time

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<v Speaker 1>and as a species in this cosmos, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>just a very like the briefest little tip of the needle.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and uh, and you have our understanding based on

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<v Speaker 1>basically ancient Babylonia and cosmology, you know, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>just just very rough ideas about what we are and

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<v Speaker 1>where we are. You our cosmos was limited by what

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<v Speaker 1>we could see with the naked eye, and we, inevitably,

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<v Speaker 1>being self centered as we are, put ourselves at the center.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's the idea that the Earth was the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the observable universe, which again was not even that large. Yeah, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of this boils down to the Copernican principle, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the mid undreds when astronomer Nicolas Copernicus said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth is not the center of our solar system,

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<v Speaker 1>which really was disturbing too many people because that was

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<v Speaker 1>putting out the question of well, what if we're not

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<v Speaker 1>the center of it, and God is not the center

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<v Speaker 1>of it, then who is the center of it? Who's

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<v Speaker 1>driving this ship? And he introduced the idea of the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a heliocentric, the idea that the Sun is

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<v Speaker 1>the center of things and we are just revolving around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again, based on his limited under understanding, an observation

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<v Speaker 1>that made perfect sense, and that was a huge step

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<v Speaker 1>in the right direction, because the Earth is revolving around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. Yeah. And we've been building on that idea

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<v Speaker 1>ever since and really sort of expanding out from that

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure out, Okay, so if you know

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth is not at the center of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know we're revolving around the Sun, and let's move

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that, let's move beyond our galaxy. Um. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we're still trying to move toward that. But you had

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<v Speaker 1>said something I thought was really interesting. You said that

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<v Speaker 1>are really our history and our idea of this in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of deep time is just occupying a space on

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<v Speaker 1>the tip of a pin, right, And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>mention if you guys haven't already seen this um in Cosmoses,

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly where you going. Yes, uh, which is

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson. He gives a wonderful explanation

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<v Speaker 1>of this idea of of really how much time we

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<v Speaker 1>humans are occupying in deep time, and he takes the

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<v Speaker 1>entire three thirteen point eight BILLI in the Age of

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<v Speaker 1>the Universe, and it condenses it down into one year.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not going to give justice to it, this explanation,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I urge everybody to to check out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's in the first episode. I think towards

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<v Speaker 1>the latter part of the first episode. Yeah, this graphic

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<v Speaker 1>of this calendar this one year. The first second of

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<v Speaker 1>January one is the Big Bang. In the last second

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<v Speaker 1>of December thirty one is the present day. And he

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<v Speaker 1>walks you through this and according to this calendar, all

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<v Speaker 1>life on Earth only appears within the final week of

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<v Speaker 1>that year, and humans appear only in the last hour

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<v Speaker 1>of the last day, and all of our recorded history,

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<v Speaker 1>from the founding of every religion to the fighting of

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<v Speaker 1>every war, takes place in the last four seconds of

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<v Speaker 1>December thirty one. Yeah, it's crazy, like just to think

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<v Speaker 1>that even if life on Earth exists only one million

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<v Speaker 1>more years, say in a million years, something catastrophic happens,

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<v Speaker 1>then life on Earth was still just this tiny little

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<v Speaker 1>blip in in this in this grand time timescape. Now

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<v Speaker 1>for something, well, that might make you feel sort of

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<v Speaker 1>divorced from um, from life, but for others, you can

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<v Speaker 1>look at this deep time and realize that this fabric

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<v Speaker 1>of um of matter that's helped to create us has

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<v Speaker 1>always been well, and I have not has always been there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's been there for a really, really really long

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<v Speaker 1>time before and after us, and we all are intertwined

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<v Speaker 1>by that. So again, you mentioned that that calendar year,

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<v Speaker 1>that our entire cosmic history as a calendar year, that

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<v Speaker 1>calendar year is representing, roughly, based on our current estimates,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen point eight billion years of history. That's thirteen point

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<v Speaker 1>eight billion years from the beginning of the universe as

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<v Speaker 1>we understanding it to the present day. Yeah, and how

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<v Speaker 1>do we know this, How can we calculate this? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, the universe cannot be younger than the

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<v Speaker 1>objects contained within it. So you start to look at

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<v Speaker 1>the objects. For instance, you look at stars and you

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<v Speaker 1>begin to measure their mass and their brightness and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out the lifespan of the start. So you have more

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<v Speaker 1>massive stars burning faster than their lower mass siblings. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the more massive, the more brilliant they are,

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<v Speaker 1>and the easier they are spot So a star ten

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<v Speaker 1>times as massive assemble burn through its fuel supply in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million years, while a star with half the Sun's

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<v Speaker 1>mass will last more than twenty billion years. And that

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<v Speaker 1>gives us a clue, especially when you look at something

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<v Speaker 1>like globular clusters, which have these similar characteristics, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know that the oldest one of these globular clusters have

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<v Speaker 1>stars with ages between eleven and eighteen billion years. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's one set of evidence. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like trying to figure out what times some guys robbed

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<v Speaker 1>a bank. You asked one one witness and I think

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<v Speaker 1>they went in around five pm. And you ask another

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<v Speaker 1>and they say, I think they went around on five pin.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you sort of compare the notes. Well, one uh,

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<v Speaker 1>one witness here is saying, I think it was it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be about an eleven and team billion years

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<v Speaker 1>based on the the age of these globular customers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's one clue that kind of gets us in

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<v Speaker 1>striking distance. Um, and we'll talk a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about why people have you know, the general consensus of

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<v Speaker 1>their team point eight billion years in a second. But

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<v Speaker 1>we have to kind of go even further back into

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<v Speaker 1>the path before we can do that, and we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this fog at the beginning of time.

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<v Speaker 1>And in order to do that, you got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Big Bang. Yes, Now, big Bang, of course

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<v Speaker 1>is is the big theory about how the universe came

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<v Speaker 1>to be and what the basically what the universe is

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<v Speaker 1>really very straightforward a manner. Uh. Then the main opposition

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<v Speaker 1>to this was historically the steady state theory, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the universe has always existed and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>it's always existed in the same density and then will

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<v Speaker 1>make more sense in a minute. But we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Bang here, so there is no before the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Bang. That's important to note. There is no outside

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Bang, the Big Bang, to to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the beginning of of of history, to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the beginning of that that calendar year that we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, to come to a moment when all matters

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<v Speaker 1>of singularity, and since all matters of singularity, all times

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<v Speaker 1>of singularity, the single point, yes, a single point of time,

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<v Speaker 1>a single point of of matter. It's it's it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>almost impossible to comprehend. It's such a foreign and even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's very small, it's such an immense idea that

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<v Speaker 1>time and space, everything is down to this, the smallest

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<v Speaker 1>point possible. And it's just kind of like my brain

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<v Speaker 1>almost breaks trying because I want to place my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of it in a in a system of time, because

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<v Speaker 1>I exist in time and it's the only way I

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<v Speaker 1>can understand things. And this is something that that is

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped in time and and and it's part of its compression,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was outside of time at one point, right

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're talking about that pin point, you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this tiny pin point of energy. Um. This description

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<v Speaker 1>is from Nola Taylor Red writing for space dot Com,

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, when the universe was just ten thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four of a second, or so old that that is,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, a hundreds of a billions of a

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<v Speaker 1>trillionth of a trillionth of a second, and age it

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<v Speaker 1>experienced a huge burst of expansion known as inflation, in

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<v Speaker 1>which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 1>And during this period the universe doubled in size at

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<v Speaker 1>least ninety times, going from okay, that that pinpoint, that

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<v Speaker 1>sub atomic size pinpoint to a golf ball size uh

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<v Speaker 1>ball of energy almost instantaneously. And she says that after inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>the growth of the universe continued, but it is slower rate.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as space expanded, the universe cooled and matter formed,

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<v Speaker 1>and one second after the Big Bang, the universe was

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<v Speaker 1>filled with neutrons, protons, electrons and anti electrons, photons and neutrinos.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is really this is where it gets very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>She talked about how during the first three minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, light elements were born during a process noon

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<v Speaker 1>as Big Bang nucleosynthesis, and for three hundred eighty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years or so, the universe was essentially too hot for

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<v Speaker 1>this light to shine. So you have that heat of

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<v Speaker 1>creation smashing atoms together with enough force to break them

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<v Speaker 1>up into this dense plasma soup of protons and neutrons

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<v Speaker 1>and electrons, and that's scattered like fog. That's the fog

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<v Speaker 1>of the beginning of time. That's pretty crazy. Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>no real response to that. So here we are, roughly

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<v Speaker 1>three seventy eight thousand years after the Big Bang. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, everything has been this this hot mess for ages.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good way today. And uh, and there's and

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<v Speaker 1>there's not much that can really happen there. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>everything is kind of I mean, I hate to use

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<v Speaker 1>the word chaos, but it's kind of a chaotic state.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the universe cools to about five thousand degrees

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<v Speaker 1>fahrenheit or kelvin. And this is a crucial because this

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<v Speaker 1>is cool enough for electrons and protons to combine into

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<v Speaker 1>hydrogen atoms, and it also releases photons, making up the

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<v Speaker 1>radiation that we come to know as the cosmic microwave background. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that recombination era sets lusa's first flashes of light that

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<v Speaker 1>were created during the Big Bank. So now they are

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<v Speaker 1>detectable in the form of cosmic wave background radiation. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is this important, Well, it's important for so many reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But one is that it helps to support the big

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<v Speaker 1>bank theory, the fact that this is detectable right the

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<v Speaker 1>second witness exactly Um. The other thing is that it

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<v Speaker 1>allows us to again get a bigger um take on

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening in the universe. That gives us a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to reverse engineer the timeline. And it's been measured

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<v Speaker 1>with NASA's Wilkinson microwave anisotropy probe and the European Space

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<v Speaker 1>Agencies plank spacecraft, and so they've looked at this radiation

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<v Speaker 1>leftover from the Big Bang and they can look at

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<v Speaker 1>the density, the composition, and the expansion rate of the

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<v Speaker 1>verse as a result. And in two twelve W M. A. P.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, Hm, we think that, you know, looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the different data here, that the universe is probably about

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen points seven seven two billion years old. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>have the plank Um spacecraft that says we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen point eight two billion years and that's where you

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<v Speaker 1>come into this idea of all, right, the consensus is

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen point eight billion years old the universe is. And

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<v Speaker 1>again it's on one hand, we were looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of the items in the universe and here we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the rate of expansion and how big it

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<v Speaker 1>is and what the cosmic microwave background is telling us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so okay, this is all important. Why because it

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<v Speaker 1>gives us a little bit more data to work with

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about this in a second. Because you

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<v Speaker 1>start to look at the universe in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just this you know, static thing that's always

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<v Speaker 1>been existing. There were dynamic changes and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of up ends this idea of the Goldilocks theory,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that you have to have the absolute perfect

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<v Speaker 1>conditions for life to occur. Because if you look again

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<v Speaker 1>at our solar system, you look at Earth, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>bed that Goldilocks is going to bed down in, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you've got sustainable water sources that are pretty you know,

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<v Speaker 1>solid in terms of staying regular um, particularly when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the distance the Sun is from the Earth. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at something like Mercury, which is

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<v Speaker 1>closest super hot, that's not gonna work. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at Neptune super cold, or just if you're feeling nostalgic,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at Pluto super cold. Um, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we normally have thought about. We've thought, Okay, Earth is

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<v Speaker 1>really special because life has happened here against what seems

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<v Speaker 1>like all odds. But when we get back from this break,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about this idea that life could

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<v Speaker 1>be more playful than we think, and perhaps even before

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<v Speaker 1>Earth was even formed. All right, we're back, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's it's important to to stress again that that

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<v Speaker 1>we used to live in in a time where we

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<v Speaker 1>have this geocentric fallacy where we thought that the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>was the center of things. But when you get into

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<v Speaker 1>this Goldilocks scenario, you you get close to falling into

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<v Speaker 1>another type of geocentric fallacy because you get your again

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<v Speaker 1>stressing the idea that Earth is special, that the life

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth is special, and by virtue of that, humans

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<v Speaker 1>are special as the as the primary evolved intelligent speechies,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore I am special, right, and we are all

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<v Speaker 1>special to a degree. But if you look into deep space,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look into deep time, then you start to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this thing called the habitable epic, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about is for millions of years after the Big Bang,

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<v Speaker 1>the universe was in a kind of interim state between

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<v Speaker 1>lumpy gas and the cool galaxy. Suddenly studied darkness that

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<v Speaker 1>we see today when we look up at the night sky. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there were no galaxies at the time, only large stars,

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<v Speaker 1>probably embedded in dark matter. So along come someone named

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lobe, and he is an astrophysicist at Harvard University,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, hey, we can do simulations of these

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<v Speaker 1>early years, and what people find is that there were

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<v Speaker 1>tens hundreds of times more massive stars than the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>and these giant stars floating alone could have had rocky

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<v Speaker 1>worlds like Earth in orbit around them. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>where the idea of a habital epoch occurred, after the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Bang, but before life on Earth. So what does

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<v Speaker 1>Lobe do. He puts together a couple of calculations here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the craziest one here is that, Okay, today, the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature of that relic radiation we're talking about that that

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<v Speaker 1>that CNB, that cosmic microwave background is just about two

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<v Speaker 1>point seven calvin calvin. But at an age about the

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen million years ago that we're talking about here, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have kept the entire universe at three hundred degrees kelvin.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about heating emerging from that that cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>microwave background. Yeah, and again, this is just a blip

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<v Speaker 1>in the eye of time. It's fifteen million years after

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Bang. But any existing planets at that time

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<v Speaker 1>would have been in that habitable habitable zone, as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>Goldilocks hair would have had numerous beds to get into

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<v Speaker 1>because the universe was still bathed in that warm gas

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<v Speaker 1>from the cosmic microwave background, but it had cooled down,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would have liquid on these planets or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter where they were in relation to a star. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is huge because liquid water is the one of

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<v Speaker 1>the building blocks of life. Exactly. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we look for when we look out and sit and

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<v Speaker 1>think is this is this exoplanet capable of theoretically supporting life. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be energy to kick start life forms. You

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<v Speaker 1>have your liquid water which was slashed around the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of planets with atmosphere. Now, as Load points out, this

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<v Speaker 1>would be a very weird time for life to evolve

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere because many of the building blocks of life on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>like carbon and metals, uh, they only exist because we

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<v Speaker 1>have these massive cellar explosions, we have the supernovast that

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, we're all star stuff. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of star stuff to go around. Because this

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<v Speaker 1>is early in the universe, they haven't been many stars

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<v Speaker 1>to die and uh and and this would have been

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<v Speaker 1>an age where most of the elements on the periodic

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<v Speaker 1>table didn't even exist yet, so you had fewer building

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<v Speaker 1>blocks to build things. But it's kind of like if

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<v Speaker 1>if you're really into Legos and then you find the

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<v Speaker 1>building blocks, be they Legos or some other brand that

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<v Speaker 1>like your father or an older sibling had to think,

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<v Speaker 1>how did they build anything? They didn't have those little

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<v Speaker 1>wheelie dus or the little rotating things, and I only

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<v Speaker 1>had the colored blocks. It seems like you would be

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<v Speaker 1>you would be very limited in what you could construct.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and and Yes, that's one of the crazy things

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<v Speaker 1>about this is trying to imagine what would what what

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<v Speaker 1>would life on one of these worlds have been like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, would it what kind of form would it

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<v Speaker 1>have taken? Yeah, it's kind of funny because Lope says,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it right now, you look up

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<v Speaker 1>into the night sky and you see all these galaxies

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<v Speaker 1>and you see all those stars shining um and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of you know, our people out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>this would have been an isolated a lonely kind of

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<v Speaker 1>life with as you say, just a couple of lego parts, um,

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<v Speaker 1>would it have borne out intelligent life? Probably not um.

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander villen Kin as a cosmologist at Touch University in Medford, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says that a few million years in this

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<v Speaker 1>habitable epic is too short of time to produce intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>life because if you think about humans and how long

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<v Speaker 1>it took for us and all the building blocks before

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<v Speaker 1>us to create, um, the sort of complex intelligence that

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<v Speaker 1>we have as four point five billion years of history

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth and uh, that's about three point five billion

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<v Speaker 1>years of those in which life has been wriggling around

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<v Speaker 1>our planet. But Lobe says, Hey, when I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>life taking ape here, I'm not talking about intelligent life.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about simple life forms like allergy. Yeah. Now

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<v Speaker 1>another thing to keep in mind too, One another thing

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<v Speaker 1>that works in the advantage of this, uh, this theoretical

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<v Speaker 1>early life would be that that same the same isolation

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<v Speaker 1>that they that they had would also protect them from

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic radiation, asteroid bombardments, and other things that could conceivably

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<v Speaker 1>snuff out life before it even you know, got going

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<v Speaker 1>to any degree that mattered. That's true. Um, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it have been isolated and lonely. You're right, some of

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<v Speaker 1>those elements that might have impacted them greatly them or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever life, what a reform that might have taken on

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<v Speaker 1>some of those early planets wouldn't have been completely wiped

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<v Speaker 1>out by an asteroid. Now, some of you may be

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<v Speaker 1>wondering at this point, Okay, well what you know? That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting to think that there was this this early

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<v Speaker 1>epic in which in which very primitive life could have

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<v Speaker 1>evolved and then and then perished. But how does that

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<v Speaker 1>affect the current scenario. It's like saying, oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once long ago this happened, but but how does that

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<v Speaker 1>affect the present? Well? Ultimately, uh, what Loabs really pushing

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<v Speaker 1>about this idea is that it makes us have to

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<v Speaker 1>rethink what life could be like out there now, and

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<v Speaker 1>it changes the equation to a certain degree about life

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe as a whole, not just in in

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<v Speaker 1>ancient times, in an early epoch, but even in our

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<v Speaker 1>current epoch. That's right. That recast the idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>universe as a living universe, not a dead universe. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make Earth feel so lonely in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that perhaps it's the only planet that has ever experienced

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of life form on it. Also, it brings

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<v Speaker 1>into the question this idea of if we know this,

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<v Speaker 1>just this fraction of information about the universe's history, what

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<v Speaker 1>else is out there to support the idea that um

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere and you know, buildings and billions and billions of

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<v Speaker 1>light years away that we can't even measure. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>another planet that could sustain life currently? Is it in

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<v Speaker 1>the near future, has it been in the past, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's And we're gonna we're gonna resist the temptation to

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<v Speaker 1>google go too far into the deep end on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>But but that you really have to then think about

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<v Speaker 1>all the various forms life can take without even getting

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<v Speaker 1>into the the idea of intelligent life, because then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to you have to stop and think, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>is what is what is it we call intelligent life?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? This? Is it self consciousness? And so how

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<v Speaker 1>many different types of conscious consciousness exist for for some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of organic being. How many different versions of time

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<v Speaker 1>perception exists from an organic being? I mean, we we

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time on this show, uh dismantling

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.960
<v Speaker 1>human perception. Uh, and and you and as you just

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<v Speaker 1>mantle it and you you can imagine, just like a car,

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<v Speaker 1>if you take all the pieces apart, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>try to put them back together in varying ways, like

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<v Speaker 1>think of all the different ways you could reassemble some

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<v Speaker 1>version of intelligent life on another world. And those are

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<v Speaker 1>just the ones we can possibly conceive of. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a couple of ways to go at

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<v Speaker 1>this if we really wanted to fall down the rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>And one is just from a chemical chemical perspect that

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<v Speaker 1>we could say, well, you know, we're carbon biased. We

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<v Speaker 1>think that only life forms can can start with carbon,

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<v Speaker 1>But could there be another configuration that we're not aware of?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not, but that's one argument. Another is that some

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<v Speaker 1>people will say, um, you know, there's this anthropic principle,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that life here exists on Earth only because

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<v Speaker 1>it's observable to us. Therefore, life does not exist outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the Earth because it cannot be observed or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there maybe or not life forms that can observe their

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<v Speaker 1>selves or themselves rather. But that one's really sticky territory

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<v Speaker 1>to get into as well, because again you're you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about ideas of consciousness and what is consciousness? And then

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<v Speaker 1>what degree is any kind of intelligent life going to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy itself? To what extent is any form of intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>life going to eradicate other forms of life and its vicinity?

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<v Speaker 1>And then we sort of fall back into that whole

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<v Speaker 1>uh Goldilocks affair where we're again basing our understanding on

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<v Speaker 1>what intelligent life can be based on the only model

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<v Speaker 1>we have, and we have to depend on the only

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<v Speaker 1>model we have. But but then we can't help that

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<v Speaker 1>but have our expectations colored by that. No, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know what makes me feel for it's warm and cuddling

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic microwave background. That too, I'd like to think of

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<v Speaker 1>it just cooking me passively kidding. Uh. The Voyager one,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's out there, that probe that was launched in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven and seven along with Voyager two. We know

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<v Speaker 1>last year that it left our Solar System and it's

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<v Speaker 1>in interstellar space still giving us data. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of getting weak right now. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>the human sharpie on the bathroom of the universe, that

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<v Speaker 1>is in which we have written humans was here. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, that's because it has the gold album

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<v Speaker 1>on it right exactly, which contains about of different sort

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<v Speaker 1>of audio ephemera of life on earth. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>like a baby crying the sound of a kiss. You

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<v Speaker 1>also have images on there just in case someone intercepts

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<v Speaker 1>it about billion years from now. All right, well that note,

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<v Speaker 1>let's call the robot over here for just one quick

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<v Speaker 1>listener mail. All right, This one comes to us from

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Brandon Rights, and it says, Hi, Robert and Julie.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Brandon, and I'm a huge stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>blow your mind fan, keep up the great work. I

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<v Speaker 1>just listened to your brain hacking podcasts on habits. Something

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<v Speaker 1>you said in the podcast struck me, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>decided to write this email. You mentioned something about taking

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<v Speaker 1>a vacation as being a good way to break bad habits.

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<v Speaker 1>This is very true for me. I'm terrible with biting

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<v Speaker 1>my nails, and I'm constantly trying to stop. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of last year, I traveled to Europe with my

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<v Speaker 1>sister for two weeks. When I got home, I realized

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<v Speaker 1>I had not bitten a single nail once. I was

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<v Speaker 1>completely stunned. I had not even thought about the entire

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<v Speaker 1>time about it. The entire time I was overseats. Simply

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<v Speaker 1>being in a new environment and doing new things was

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<v Speaker 1>enough to help break my old habit without much effort

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<v Speaker 1>on my part. To day after I got home, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I immediately noticed it was once again a struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>not by my nails, and I had to really try

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<v Speaker 1>hard to stop myself from doing it subconsciously. Just some

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<v Speaker 1>interesting tidbits I experience, and I thought I would share

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<v Speaker 1>love from South Africa. Brandon, all right, Yeah, I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that team when I was on vacation, that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>checking my phone every two seconds, because you know, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got that compulsion. And I finally kind of broke free

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<v Speaker 1>of that. And the funny thing about this, my husband

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<v Speaker 1>is always making fun of my virgin mobile phone because

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<v Speaker 1>he has an shiny iPhone. But it worked brilliantly in

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<v Speaker 1>via case, and I think that's because Sir Richard Branson

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<v Speaker 1>has Neckro Island nearby, and I gotta think that the

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<v Speaker 1>network there is pretty strong. What's it called Necro Island?

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<v Speaker 1>Now you were getting all like Necro what Branson? There?

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<v Speaker 1>No no Necker. I think about his necking because it's Branson.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I think of him as always necking.

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