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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julia

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Speaker 1: Lee Douglas. Julie, welcome back from vacation. Where did you go?

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Speaker 1: I went to Via Keys. It's a small island right

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Speaker 1: outside of Puerto Rico. I went to go see bioluminescent Bay. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with a microplankton that blows. Unfortunately, and they don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what's going on there. They were

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Speaker 1: not surfacing, so they don't know if it's a changing

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Speaker 1: climate or if they were disturbed somehow. But um, kind

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Speaker 1: of a bummer. But I hope that they get that

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Speaker 1: back because it's an amazing thing. I think it's only

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Speaker 1: one of two places in the world that has that

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Speaker 1: level of bioluminescence. Cool. I mean you get to see

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Speaker 1: other stuff obviously, Yeah, lots of wild horses, um, all

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Speaker 1: sorts of really cool things. Well, welcome back, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast, and welcome back listeners to

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Speaker 1: outer Space. We've been talking about wanting to hit some

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Speaker 1: more space content because I mean that's part of the

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Speaker 1: DNA of the show and we haven't been there recently,

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Speaker 1: So here we go into space into some big cosmic questions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because we've talked about this before, this idea of the

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Speaker 1: goldilocks principle and how Earth is just the perfect place, right,

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Speaker 1: it's not too hot, not too cold. Um, but what

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Speaker 1: going to try to get at this idea of you know,

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Speaker 1: the universe is not this dead, you know, void of space.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a living universe. Yeah. You you always end

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Speaker 1: up coming back around to that, that whole scenario. Right.

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Speaker 1: You look out into into space as as much as

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Speaker 1: that darkness and uh. And as the saying goes, there's

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Speaker 1: the idea that there's life out there, and there's the

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Speaker 1: idea that there's nothing out there. And both of those

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Speaker 1: ideas are completely mind blowing to think that there is

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Speaker 1: life thinking or just kerdel ng and and and you know,

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Speaker 1: dead universe. And both of those have a tremendous effect

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Speaker 1: especially if you add the time element to it because

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Speaker 1: it in futuristic terms. One day we will conquer it.

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Speaker 1: One day we will know more about it. Other people

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Speaker 1: look at it as a relic. As if you're peering

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Speaker 1: something about how we came into being exactly now, we

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Speaker 1: of course have a humans have an evolving, continuingly evolving

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Speaker 1: Um and uh, and you have our understanding based on

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Speaker 1: but have our expectations colored by that. No, but you

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Speaker 1: know what makes me feel for it's warm and cuddling

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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that's because it has the gold album

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Speaker 1: Brandon Brandon Rights, and it says, Hi, Robert and Julie.

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Speaker 1: My name is Brandon, and I'm a huge stuff to

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Speaker 1: This is very true for me. I'm terrible with biting

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Speaker 1: hard to stop myself from doing it subconsciously. Just some

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Speaker 1: interesting tidbits I experience, and I thought I would share

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Speaker 1: love from South Africa. Brandon, all right, Yeah, I noticed

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Speaker 1: Now you were getting all like Necro what Branson? There?

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Speaker 1: No no Necker. I think about his necking because it's Branson.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I think of him as always necking.

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