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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast part of Action Network

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Speaker 1: and proudly presented by Bett three six five, the world's

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Speaker 1: favorite sportsbook brand. I am Chad Milman, Chief Content Officer

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Speaker 1: of the Action Network. I am joined as I am

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Speaker 1: in every episode by my co host, by my bff,

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Speaker 1: by my companion, my compadre, professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Hello, so wymen.

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Speaker 3: Hello hot Chad. It's my first all nighter.

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Speaker 4: Did not sleep so I would not miss the show

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Speaker 4: since I've been in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: Well why what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Well, not only do I love doing this show, so

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Speaker 4: I don't want to miss a show, But a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a nerd fact.

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Speaker 3: I am up us with space.

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Speaker 4: I love all things space, and today we launched I'd

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Speaker 4: say we as human beings. But Elon mus did the starship.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know anything about that chat.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I watched it, did you. Yeah, So it was exciting.

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Speaker 4: They got it off the ground, but then it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: break apart like.

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Speaker 3: It was supposed to, so it blew up.

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Speaker 4: But like they said, all the nerds said in the chat,

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Speaker 4: this is what we want, we want to learn, so

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Speaker 4: we got to take it with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 3: But it's exciting, like the fact that you.

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Speaker 4: Know, people are so negative every day you just hear

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Speaker 4: all the negative stories in the news and all those

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Speaker 4: horrible things. You know, sometimes there's some exciting things as

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Speaker 4: being a human, and this is one of those moments.

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Speaker 3: Where it's like, this is pretty crazy.

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Speaker 4: They're building ships right now to try to send people

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Speaker 4: to Mars the next couple of years. So the fact

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Speaker 4: that the first one they built got off the ground,

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Speaker 4: it was pretty pretty historical to watch.

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Speaker 3: So that's awesome. Chad, I didn't know you got up

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Speaker 3: and watch that too.

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Speaker 1: You know what I love about you, Simon. People could

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Speaker 1: hear you on the podcast only know a little bit

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Speaker 1: about you, know that you're a professional better and not

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Speaker 1: understand that you've got a deep well of interest of empathy,

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Speaker 1: that you get excited by things that you can be optimistic. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you about space exploration and the importance

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Speaker 1: of bringing it to the masses and what it can

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Speaker 1: give us in terms of enthusiasm and hope, because it's

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Speaker 1: what's next that's where you go like, you gotta figure

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Speaker 1: it out. Also, we have to figure out what the

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Speaker 1: fuck is happening with this NFL Draft. We're going to

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Speaker 1: bring on Evan Abrams, our director of research, in a minute.

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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of cool things.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about, Ohio state quarterback history, what's happening

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Speaker 1: with CJ. Stroud, What are the Packers going to do now?

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Speaker 1: Basic draft positioning as we get closer and closer. Before

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Speaker 1: we came on the air, we were talking about Bryce Young,

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Speaker 1: who's ods got as high as minus two thousand and

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Speaker 1: now they're dropping a little bit. There's all this Will

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Speaker 1: Levice smoke, there's all this CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud smoke.

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Speaker 1: Evan said something really interesting and I don't want them

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Speaker 1: to comment yet, but you and I are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about this. Everyone talks about these quarterbacks. Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: Will leve A, c J. Stroud, Bryce Young, Hendon Hooker.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's not the highlight of the draft, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it's Will Anderson and all of a sudden, like

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Speaker 1: there's this momentum for Will Anderson at number two.

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Speaker 2: It's getting very interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now this is the that's that time of year chat.

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Speaker 4: It's just there's a lot of here. Sam again, we'll

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Speaker 4: talk about on this show.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple guys who opinions I value higher than

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Speaker 4: other people's. So when they put out their mocks, that

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Speaker 4: moves numbers. We've seen a bunch of numbers move in Again,

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Speaker 4: we're going to dive into it is because certain people

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Speaker 4: carry certain weight and we just know how it is

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Speaker 4: where they're not just doing it for the clicks. They

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Speaker 4: clearly know something when they say something. So the movement

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Speaker 4: these last couple of days has been insane, and that's

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Speaker 4: the kind of thing we love with these kind of

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Speaker 4: drafts where it's like, you know, there's no guaranteed guy

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Speaker 4: still at the top of these drafts.

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Speaker 3: There's so many different little dominoes gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: So gonna gonna love and hear what Evan has to

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Speaker 4: say about it. But once again, it's one of those

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Speaker 4: things where we kind of we kind of listen to

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Speaker 4: these trends and if you if you know anything of.

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Speaker 3: These drafts, the history repeats itself.

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Speaker 4: So one of those drafts where if a quarterback doesn't

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Speaker 4: go two or three, oh man, it's gonna be never

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Speaker 4: any drama in this draft.

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Speaker 3: Draft that does happen.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be amazing.

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Speaker 1: Reminder, you say, these markets are moving, and these markets

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Speaker 1: move based on a lot of the bets that are

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Speaker 1: give me the biggest draft bet you've made so far.

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Speaker 5: Wow, the biggest draft that I've made, I think is

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Speaker 5: Bjohn Robinson to go like top five or six in

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Speaker 5: that range. That is the biggest bet I've made so far,

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Speaker 5: because I think someone's going to reach out for him.

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Speaker 5: I think people are talking top ten, but I think

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Speaker 5: he's going to be one of the best players, and

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Speaker 5: I think someone's going to reach for what they know

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Speaker 5: is the best player with the best specs. And I

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Speaker 5: just think when you look overall, the quarterbacks are weak,

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Speaker 5: and I think we keep waffling between those five quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: from every person you're talking to, to every GM you hear,

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Speaker 5: because there's no one great. There's no Trevor Lawrence, there's

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Speaker 5: looking at the d Lineman's the will Anderson's and the

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Speaker 5: Bjon Robinson's in the sense that these people are just

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Speaker 5: going to produce. So I like Bjon and I think

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Speaker 1: Well that's interesting, Simon, what do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: That'd be crazy?

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Speaker 4: Again, that's one of those moves that would, you know,

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Speaker 4: shake up the whole draft. You can go on bedthrough

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Speaker 4: to bed three six y five right now and get

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Speaker 4: him at plus one twenty. He'd be a top ten

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Speaker 4: the Eagles, right that's the room where you keep hearing.

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Speaker 4: But would not shock me at all if he goes

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Speaker 4: those are two teams that they think they're going win

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Speaker 3: So again, he is the most complete player, so not

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're probably getting crazy odds of about him

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Speaker 3: But it's definitely one of those picks where.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, I would I would assume most people

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Speaker 4: why not? Because it's one of those things that it

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Speaker 2: Well, look, you know I got to say.

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Speaker 1: Right now in ESPN dot com there is a story

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Speaker 1: that has a phenomenal headline. It meet Jean Robinson, a

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Speaker 1: generational NFL draft talent in the wrong generation. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: here because it's written by a writer named Hallie Grossman,

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Speaker 2: She's still writing for ESPN.

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Speaker 1: The story is amazing, and it lays out in very

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Speaker 1: smart writing and very good scenes and very good analysis

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Speaker 1: the quandary that is Bijon Robinson as a generational talent

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Speaker 1: at a time when running backs are so poorly valued

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Speaker 1: by the NFL, and that when you draft a receiver

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Speaker 1: who works out like a Justin Jefferson or a Jamar

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Speaker 1: Chase and you get them for cheap in those first

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Speaker 1: few years, it's saving you so much more money than

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Speaker 1: when you get a running back who you're going to

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Speaker 1: immediately become one of the highest paid running backs. Someone

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Speaker 4: From everything you hear, it just seems like if CJ's

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Speaker 3: Well, which we love.

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Speaker 4: It's not that we're saying it's kind of the idea

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Speaker 4: But when you're a complete team, and you know you

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Speaker 4: that's just such a good value, a sixty six to one.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Eagles as they're currently constructed,

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Speaker 3: It was my number two guy. I'm hot, I really

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Speaker 4: Peter Schrager, guy, I do respect. He mocked him going

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Speaker 3: So to me, he's not just saying it just to

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Speaker 4: He's not one of those type of people like if

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Speaker 4: And now we've seen guys like Peter King talk about

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Speaker 3: Pick for them.

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Speaker 4: So I don't want him to do it, Chad, just

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Speaker 3: A running back.

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Speaker 4: There can get a running back in the second, third round.

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Speaker 1: Well what's funny is you mentioned the Eagles and Howie

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Speaker 1: It is the middle of the NBA playoffs, right or

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think you just have to touch on

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Speaker 1: So basically, whoever you like to win the game, if

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Speaker 5: So there's all sorts of things kind of working in

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Speaker 1: I wake up this morning. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: And three years ago in high school.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Simon, I saw it all, and I thought, this

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Speaker 1: This is when smoke screens are at their highest and

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Speaker 4: And I said that because again, I'll never forget a

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Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, we put that on the media because

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Speaker 4: So there is a lot of chess pieces like moving

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Speaker 2: Dude, dude, the gms are playing chess and the media

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: This CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud stuff, the fact that it's coming out now, do

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Mann Academy thing means nothing. It's a story.

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Speaker 5: There's just too much time right now where nothing is

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Speaker 5: And people were looking at Stroud as an issue even

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Speaker 5: There's enough stuff you can find issues with when it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it all seems a little bit silly. I feel

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Speaker 1: You said you said you had Bijon number two. I

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Speaker 4: I've CG A three. I still Carter at one. Like

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Speaker 3: But he's a college kid who.

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Speaker 4: I think that's one of the big negatives for him.

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Speaker 3: CJ.

439
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, my number third ranked player, Chad, it's I've taken

440
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 4: some shit a lot of DMS. Guy's talking shit to

441
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 4: me about me saying I wouldn't take Bryce Shunk till

442
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 4: the second round. It's honestly, the way I look at this,

443
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 4: it's it's just a business.

444
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: It's nothing person.

445
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 4: Bryce Shunk to me is one of these smartest quarterbacks

446
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 4: I've ever evaluated. The kid's brains is off the charts.

447
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 4: It's foot by a Q is insane. But he can't

448
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 4: run under a four or five forty. He weighs under

449
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 4: two hundred pounds. It's like the if he was six

450
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 4: three six y four and had wide shoulders in a

451
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 4: bigger body, I wouldn't have a second round grade on him.

452
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: He would be easier first round pick.

453
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: So that's why I just can't wrap my head around

454
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 4: it that this kid is going to go number one overall.

455
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 4: If you're still in a position like I and they,

456
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 4: you want to fade it once again, bet three six

457
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 4: y five, you can go on there right now. You

458
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 4: can take CJ. Stroud to be the first pick. It's

459
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 4: plus eight hundred. You can go to pick two. He's

460
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: plus one thousand right now, Bryce Young to be the

461
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 4: second pick overall. I still think that's the realm of

462
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: a possibility that Carol Linon was just bluffing. They were

463
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: just trying to get a pick out of Houston. Houston

464
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: doesn't bite. They end up taking CJ. Anyway, and then

465
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 4: Bryce Young follows falls to Houston, which Houston has been

466
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: saying for two months now. That's who they want. So

467
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 4: if you want to fade the public, that's the play.

468
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 3: Right now.

469
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 4: You can do an easy south. You can't parlay it anymore.

470
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 4: Most books don't let you parlay these draft picks. But

471
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 4: make a straight bet up plus eight hundred, CJ be

472
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 4: the first pick, Bryce young GiB the second pick is

473
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Speaker 4: plus one thousand. So I'm like you, I still can't

474
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 4: really wrap my head around it because I just think, yes,

475
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 4: CJ does have some negatives, but the positives far outway.

476
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 4: The kid is a good athlete. He's big bodied, he's

477
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 4: got a good arm. He's smart too, like football intelligence wise.

478
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: You smart. I mean Evan might touch on him. Give

479
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: give him this Ohio State trivia, but there's a there's

480
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 4: a there's definitely a knock against Ohio State quarterbacks.

481
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Speaker 3: Chat.

482
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: I think you're one of the teams that benefited from it,

483
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: getting justin fields where you did.

484
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: He dropped.

485
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 4: We heard because he's a he was a Ohio State quarterback.

486
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: So we've seen it time and time again. These Ohio

487
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: State quarterbacks do drop in these drafts. I think there's

488
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: a difference though.

489
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Speaker 5: I think the knocks on Bryce are actually his stature

490
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: and a lot of things that have to do with

491
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 5: his play, while the knocks on Stroud are about like

492
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 5: Buckeye history. Like, I think there's a difference, Like look

493
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 5: at Stroud and you say to yourself, actually kind of

494
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 5: looks like a quarterback, right like that looks like someone

495
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 5: you can you know, trade up for potentially. I just

496
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 5: don't see it with Bryce. So I'm on, I'm on

497
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: the same page with you. He just doesn't look like

498
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: someone I want to invest in.

499
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 4: But he looks at a project, like a second round,

500
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 4: like a Jalen Hurts type project. So that's what I'm

501
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 4: just not getting here with Bryce Shung. It's it's an

502
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: incredible move by his agent and Nick Saban to get

503
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Speaker 4: him into this position that he's in right now.

504
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never a big fan of.

505
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: These history opinions on quarterbacks from various schools. It's like

506
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: to me when you ascribe value to oh, the Bears

507
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: of you know, haven't beaten the Packers in twenty seven years,

508
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Nobody on any of these teams is

509
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: relevant to anything that happened more than three years ago.

510
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 4: And it matters though, Chad, don't be a school Why

511
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 4: I'm with Chad because you don't get it. Brother, Time

512
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: is endless circle. History repeats itself and never ending. That's

513
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: why it's so important. Like I'm with you, I tink

514
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 4: it with a grain of salt too.

515
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: But you can't throw it out. There's something to it.

516
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 4: I told you the Bears have never drafted a good

517
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: quarterback and Ohio States never produced one. No one will

518
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: be shocked if Justin Field's out of the league in

519
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 4: six years. It's just the God on his truth.

520
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: Chad.

521
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 4: It's like you are a cursed franchise. You can't raft quarterbacks.

522
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: You know it.

523
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 4: I told you name your favorite quarterback in your history.

524
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: I think you said Sid Luckman, or the hell it

525
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: was someone from the sixties, So.

526
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: I'm trying.

527
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: Here's my Sid Luckman, Bobblehead, who went so Justin Fields

528
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: was the greatest quarterback in Chicago Bears history, and he's

529
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: from the forties. And also, I want to point something out.

530
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Speaker 2: I want to point something out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you have gone from warm, sentimental, nearly weepy about

532
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: the wonders of space exploration hardcore business on Bryce Young

533
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: not being worthy of being a number one overall pick

534
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: or even a first round pick now to the mysticism

535
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: of time is a flat circle.

536
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Speaker 2: You are a three D person, Simon, and I love

537
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: that about you.

538
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 3: Thanks, Jeff.

539
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Speaker 1: Depths of Simon Hunter are endless, Evan, why do you

540
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: agree with me and what is your take on Ohio

541
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Speaker 1: state quarterbacks?

542
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Speaker 5: And I just agree with you because again it's a past.

543
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 5: It means nothing with j Stroud. Yes, it's an interesting

544
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 5: thing with the program, but I'll give you the numbers

545
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 5: anyway and then we can go into it. So if

546
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 5: you want a draft in Ohio state quarterback history is

547
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: not on your side. Justin Fields will actually become the

548
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 5: only Ohio state quarterback to be the primary starter for

549
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 5: two seasons or more. That it just did. It hasn't

550
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 5: happened other than that.

551
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: Is that not crazy? Jeff? Come on an insane stat

552
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: He'll be the.

553
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: Only Ohio state quarterback in NFL history.

554
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 5: Be the primary starter for two seasons or more.

555
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: That is it.

556
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 5: There have been nineteen Buckeye quarterbacks selected in the NFL draft.

557
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: That's draft and supplemental. When when you throw inter el prior.

558
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: Going back to like nineteen to the J. Berwinger Draft

559
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven.

560
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 5: That's it. Those are like, yeah, I think the firstson

561
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 5: was like in the thirties. When I look back at

562
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: the stats that I was looking at, those quarterbacks are

563
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 5: combined forty two and eighty eight. The three first round

564
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 5: picks justin Fields, Dwayne Haskins, Art Sleister forty four starts,

565
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 5: thirty six losses.

566
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Speaker 1: Haskins and Schleister are tragic stories.

567
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 5: Very very tragic. Verry, Yes, I guess the one thing

568
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 5: you could take from it is this so Ohio State

569
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: first overall picks, Orlando Pace, goat Dan Wilkinson, not goat

570
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 5: Tom Kusen out flop. And then if you want to

571
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: go to the NBA draft, you can give you Greg Odin.

572
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 5: How's Greg Godin that workout?

573
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 3: That's what you mean?

574
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: That's just me.

575
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 3: Was Bosa not number one? Are now? Bosa was number two? Ye?

576
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean listen, not a sterling track record. I

577
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: think we just discussed why maybe it doesn't matter so

578
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 5: much when you evaluate Stroud. But oh boy, oh boy,

579
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 5: oh boy.

580
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: Was that going to be your trivia question.

581
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 5: I'll set up the trivia question because it actually it

582
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 5: gets even more fun. So, like I said, you know

583
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 5: Ohio State quarterbacks have been selected in an NFL draft

584
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: or supplemental draft. Only one has made the Pro Ball.

585
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Mister Milman, Well, it's not justin fields yet, Mike tom Zach.

586
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 5: It's a good that's a really good one. It's not

587
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 5: because that's a good one because he was he was undrafted.

588
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: And then Harbaugh came. Okay, so who would it be?

589
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 5: All right, so the extra hint he actually made it

590
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 5: as a punter. It's Tom Tupa.

591
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: That is such a such an indictment on the history

592
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: of Ohio state quarterbacks and does not make me feel

593
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: good about the future for Justin Fields.

594
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: To me, that stat just says it all. Listen Fields

595
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: five and twenty as a starter. So we'll see how.

596
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: It got ke Evan Abrams.

597
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: But again, how much you want to weigh for Stroud,

598
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 5: We'll see, all right.

599
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Hendon Hooker because he's sort of

600
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of bets out there over under

601
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: four and a half on total quarterbacks taken to the round,

602
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: and I think that's a really interesting one. He's obviously

603
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: the pivot point for that number, being over a lot

604
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: of conversation lately about him being a guy that teams

605
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: are starting to think about. I think it's indicative of

606
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: how each team has so many questions about each one

607
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks.

608
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: But it's again, it's crazy. He's four years older than

609
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson.

610
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: He twenty five years old.

611
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's what it's so hard to wrap my

612
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: head around these kind of things where it's like, I

613
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: did not think he was gonna your first round pick,

614
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: and now we've seen most people mocking Hayden at that

615
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: back end hooker being I don't know, they have him

616
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: going at pick thirty to a lot of these mocks.

617
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Speaker 3: So interesting where Evan's opinion is on it.

618
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I want to get Evan's opinion on this

619
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Speaker 1: also because I think as a quarterback, your career has

620
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: been extended, do you know what I mean? Look at Brady,

621
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: look at Rogers, look at Breez, look at players who.

622
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: You get hit less.

623
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: If you're smart about how you hand your body, then

624
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: you can play longer. I'm not saying it's going to

625
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: be the norm, but I think there's probably less of

626
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: the concern drafting a twenty five year old than it

627
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: might have been a decade ago.

628
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Speaker 4: I would say because of Joe Burrow. Maybe that's the

629
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Speaker 4: reason people aren't as scared because Joe came out late.

630
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: I think Joe was what it was. He two years

631
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: at Ohio State before he transferre LSU. I just remember

632
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: he did his time in college, So maybe that's word

633
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Speaker 4: of the two Chad, But definitely I always think that

634
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: Brandon Whedon think like Brandon Whedon came out. I think

635
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 4: he got drafted of what twenty nine or something like

636
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: that by Dallas or maybe it was the Browns, and

637
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: everyone was just like, why the hell would you do that?

638
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: So that's always my pause with It's just like, you're

639
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: already losing so.

640
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: Many young good years there.

641
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Speaker 4: It's just interesting that, you know, Hooker's coming off a

642
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: big knee in jury and he's twenty five. It's crazy

643
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: he's been able to work his way into that top

644
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: thirty thirty two.

645
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: Evan, what's your take?

646
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Simon actually just mentioned and I was going to

647
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: be like that was kind of the hook in the

648
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 5: whole thing, which is the acl torn and no.

649
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: Real pun intended.

650
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, there go not only twenty five, but injured too.

651
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 5: And I think we kind of do this every year

652
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 5: and bigas refound. Luke Swayin mentioned this as well, And

653
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: I think it's really important. We have so much time

654
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: we create all these things, like think about the past years.

655
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 5: Desmond Ritter, Davis Mills, Jacob Beeson, Will Greer, Mason Rudolph,

656
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Speaker 5: Like I can go on and on and on. We

657
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Speaker 5: end up having so much time, we create first round

658
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Speaker 5: value out of third round picks, and I think that's

659
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Speaker 5: ends up what really happens here. But listen, when you

660
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Speaker 5: look at having to actually take five quarterbacks in the

661
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Speaker 5: first round, it doesn't happen often. Twenty twenty one, twenty eighteen,

662
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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety nine, nineteen eighty three the only four times

663
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Speaker 5: it's happened since the merger. So I know, we're like

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Speaker 5: falling in love with four or five quarterbacks, and that's

665
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Speaker 5: because we probably don't have one or two and everyone

666
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Speaker 5: wants to get a quarterback right away. But this just

667
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Speaker 5: seems a little off to me.

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Speaker 1: That is a great fucking line, fallen in love with

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Speaker 1: four to five quarterbacks because we.

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Speaker 2: Don't have one or two. That says it all. That

671
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: says it all.

672
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Speaker 1: I could see the Saints drafting Hendon Hooker at twenty nine,

673
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Speaker 1: But think about the money.

674
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Speaker 5: And Simon knows more about this than I do in

675
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: this sense, But think about the investment, right, Like you

676
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 5: say to yourself, Okay, Hooker's the guy, twenty nine thirty whatever,

677
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 5: it is the first round investment in that quarterback coming

678
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 5: off that you gotta be really confident in what you're doing.

679
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 5: To not take alignment. Just a piece on your team

680
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 5: that is maybe missing to take a chance feels odd.

681
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Speaker 2: What's your trivia question for Tennessee?

682
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 5: Only two Tennessee quarterbacks have been drafted in the first

683
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: three rounds. Ever, One was Peyton Manning twenty five years ago.

684
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Speaker 5: Can you name the other? Drafted a few years earlier.

685
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: I got some Hintsafia if you need.

686
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: A few years earlier earlier, Vinny Testaververdi.

687
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Speaker 2: He went to Miami, so he was a flop.

688
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: Not shocking. This one's from our producer Matt Mitchell, which

689
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Speaker 5: might help Chad. He later became a North Carolina congressman.

690
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Speaker 2: Oh it was he.

691
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Speaker 5: Shuler nailed it very well.

692
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Speaker 2: There, Schuler number five. By the way, I.

693
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Speaker 5: Was gonna say he was drafted after Marshall Falk, but

694
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Speaker 5: before William McGuinness. A nice little sam.

695
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Speaker 4: Matt Mitchell either could be thirty five years old or

696
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Speaker 4: fifty five years old.

697
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Speaker 3: I will never truly know.

698
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: It's totally true.

699
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Speaker 1: Also, there was another quarterback, like it came down to

700
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Speaker 1: Schuler and another quarterback in that draft.

701
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Speaker 2: I can't remember who it is. Maybe Matt Mitchell can.

702
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: Look it up while we're talking, because the other team

703
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about is the Green Bay Packers,

704
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: who have very serious tendencies for drafting first round quarterbacks.

705
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: They're at fifteen, they've committed to Jordan Love, they are devoid.

706
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Speaker 2: Of a ton of talent, a lot of spots. What

707
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Speaker 2: do we think they're going to do?

708
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Speaker 5: And it's been really sad because I feel, like, you know,

709
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 5: working in social for a while and being in stats,

710
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: this stat has been regurgitated for years.

711
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: It is literally the.

712
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Speaker 5: Fact that since they drafted Aaron Rodgers in two thousand

713
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: and five, Green Bay has had two gms Good and

714
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 5: Kuston Thompson. Here are the first round picks by position.

715
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 5: Six offensive linemen, four linebackers, three defensive backs, one quarterback, Love,

716
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 5: two safeties, and two offensive line two offensive tackles. So basically,

717
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 5: since two thousand, the Packers have only taken two total

718
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 5: wide receivers, running backs, or tight ends in the first round.

719
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Speaker 5: They just have never given him help in the draft,

720
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: and it was even widely seen in the last few

721
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 5: years when he asked for it. So insane, And if

722
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 5: you go even further back nineteen seventy, the Packers have

723
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 5: only taken three other pass catchers in the first round,

724
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Speaker 5: and two of them are Hall of famers Sterling Sharp,

725
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 5: James Lofton, and Barry Smith. So it's just not something

726
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 5: green Bay does in probably an area that they need

727
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 5: some helping.

728
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Speaker 1: Green Bay drafts it might be the most you know,

729
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: how teams can represent their cities. The Steelers are representative

730
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh, the Cowboys representative of Dallas. The way the

731
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: Packers draft is representative of green Bay. They go stout,

732
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: they go big, they go infrastructure, they go non glamour.

733
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Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent right, and I think in the

734
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 5: past it's probably bid them a little bit well in

735
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: that sense, like they've actually built a really good fortress

736
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: of a team on both sides of the ball, and

737
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 5: I think they've actually made the right decisions, But in

738
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 5: that alienated the quarterback. So interesting strategy.

739
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Speaker 1: The Heath Schuler draft was nineteen ninety four and the

740
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: other quarterback that was being debated was Trent Dilfer, who

741
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: went two picks later.

742
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Speaker 2: What do you want to talk about next, Evan?

743
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about Stetson Bennett or do you

744
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about the group of five?

745
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: Still a group of five. To me, this stat is ridiculous. Okay,

746
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 5: so a lot of mock drafts do not feature any

747
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: group of five conference players going in the first round.

748
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 5: These are players from the non major conferences like AAC,

749
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 5: Sunbelt MAC. But history tells us a G five player

750
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 5: will get taken early. A G five player has gone

751
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: in the first round every single year since nineteen ninety,

752
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: more than thirty consecutive drafts. And the thing that's interesting

753
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 5: is you look at mock drafts all over the place

754
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: and there are none. Now, I think a reason for

755
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: this could be the fact that we're just widening our

756
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: scope in terms of how many players were looking at

757
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 5: from different schools Division two division, like just different places

758
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: we're looking for scouting. But I'm honestly curious, from Simon's

759
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: point of view, like, how is this even possible that

760
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 5: these groups of different schools don't have the talent to

761
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: kind of get into this area. It just feels like

762
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 5: possibly an outlier, but could be a trend.

763
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Speaker 4: It's funny, you said, because I asked a scout literally

764
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: about this not even two days ago. When I was

765
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: talking to his reasoning makes more sense of what my

766
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: thought was. His reason was COVID. He thinks this is

767
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: kind of a COVID effect of a lot of guys

768
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 4: just red shirt a year. A lot of guys stay

769
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 4: at these schools where these big time programs and you know,

770
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: these smaller schools.

771
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: It's changed a lot of these guys.

772
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: If you're really good at a smaller school, why wouldn't

773
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: you transfer trying to get nil deal right and when

774
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: the new one of.

775
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: These bigger schools. So that could be part of it.

776
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 4: So in my opinion, I thought it was something to

777
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: do with that, like if you're if you're really good,

778
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: because you know, I was back in the day you'd

779
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: hear about some random center at some small school in

780
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: Colorado that was a free corps you know, like a

781
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: to o at where was his school, Louisiana Techer, Do

782
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: you remember that it was?

783
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: I remember something really weird.

784
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always that guy, Like there's almost always that

785
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: guy that kind of pops on the board. So the

786
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 4: fact that you know, we don't have that type this year,

787
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: it's not that chocking, just because I think I do

788
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: something with COVID and.

789
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: I al deals.

790
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: Like it's just there's so much money out there if

791
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: you are this freak and you're at a D two school.

792
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 4: You know, why wouldn't you try to get to a

793
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: bigger school and try to make some money while you're

794
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: in college. Because you know, most guys, I would say,

795
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: they're pretty rational about this nowadays.

796
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: They know the NFL is not that all be all.

797
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 4: You can go to the AFL, there's other leagues now

798
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 4: you go playing, it doesn't have to just be the NFL.

799
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: So it kind of makes sense.

800
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: But I always think there's a Belichick out there where

801
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: Belichick will just see some guy we don't even know about,

802
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: and he'll just take him in the first round and

803
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: people be like, who the hell is this safety? From

804
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: Farley Dickinson, It's like, well, Belichick knows the kid's dad

805
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: or something weird like that.

806
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: All right, guys, listen, we are one week from the

807
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: draft right now as we are recording this podcast. In

808
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: a week will be you know, seven hours away from

809
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: the first pick being named. We know how much activity

810
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: there is in the final forty eight hours, twenty four hours,

811
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: even twelve hours before a draft.

812
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: Simon first, then Evan tell me what will.

813
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: Be the narrative at this time next week that is

814
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Speaker 1: surprising us that is settling the draft. What do we

815
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: think the narrative about the draft at the top of

816
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: the draft will be.

817
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: I still think I'll just be the quarterbacks.

818
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 4: The Will Levis thing is real, Like his his movement's

819
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: been the most shocking, just because once again he's an

820
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 4: older quarterback as well. He's had one really good season,

821
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: one horrible season. Don't really know what to make of

822
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: the kid. He's injury prone as well, but you hear

823
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: from all these different gms. He's got the body in

824
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: the arm chat, which I talk of all the time,

825
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: Like it's.

826
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's really that simple.

827
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: If they have the body of the arm, you go, well,

828
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: we'll put him out there is who we can get.

829
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that brock Oswaler thing. It's like

830
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: rock Icewalter made sense on paper. He was tall as shit,

831
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: had a great arm, had one good season, and.

832
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: We saw him just fall apart.

833
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: So it's kind of one of those things where I

834
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: think Evan touched on when you have a draft you're

835
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Speaker 4: not really sure who the best quarterback is and you're

836
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: kind of mixing matching all these different guys. All it

837
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: takes is one team to fall in over the guy.

838
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: Like it's really all that it takes.

839
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Speaker 4: So to me, I still think the biggest drama of

840
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 4: the drafts and come down to that third pick. I

841
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 4: think if Arizona moves out of that pick and a

842
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: team moves up, it's kind of make a lot of

843
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: chaos here, just because I think the Colts are acting

844
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: like they want Will Levis. But I think the Colts

845
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: deep down when Anthony Richardson and I think he'll be

846
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: going at third pick. So to me, that's gonna be

847
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Speaker 4: the drama of the draft, especially next week, all the

848
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 4: rumors flying, I think it's talking about that third pick.

849
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Speaker 2: Evan, what's the narrative.

850
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Speaker 5: I'll say to one, I love the Jaalen Carter stuff

851
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 5: because also Drew Rosenhaus, like the problems he's had in

852
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 5: the past, Drew's done such a great job at leveling

853
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 5: out all the issues and being like, this is the talent,

854
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 5: this is the kid. I think he's going to fly up.

855
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 5: I think someone's going to take a shot earlier because

856
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: I think he's safer than the quarterbacks. And then it's

857
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 5: obviously what Simon said, it is the quarterbacks. And I'll

858
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: actually lead into a great stat with the quarterback, So

859
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 5: most consecutive drafts without taking your quarterback in the first round.

860
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Speaker 5: It's the Saints fifty one years their last first rounder

861
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 5: Archie Manning in nineteen seventy one. But the hook here

862
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 5: is next on the list is the Cowboys. Fine, it

863
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: was Troy Aikman, but then you've got the Seahawks and

864
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 5: the Raiders Seahawks at twenty nine years, Raiders at fifteen years,

865
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 5: last being JaMarcus Russell. But the Raiders is the interesting part, right,

866
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 5: because I do agree that the Arizona's going to probably

867
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: flop out of there, and I think the Raiders really

868
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 5: want a quarterback. And I think the intriguing thing next

869
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: year's class much better than this year's class. So do

870
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 5: you make the move now or do you wait to

871
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 5: see if you get into the mix next year? Do

872
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: you try to package something? It's kind of a thing,

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Speaker 5: and that I think is the most interesting thing overall.

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Speaker 4: And I've heard that from scouts too, that Williams the

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Speaker 4: teams don't want to just come out and say they're

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Speaker 4: tanking Chad, but the Williams makes teams want to come

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Speaker 4: out and just tank like that kid would be the

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Speaker 4: number one pick, no doubt this year and this year's draft,

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Speaker 4: so it's not shocking. Will not be shocking me if

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Speaker 4: a quarterback, like I do think they should take CJ there.

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Speaker 4: But in their mind if they're like screw it, like

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Speaker 4: we can't compete our division anywhere, let's kick it down

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Speaker 4: the road. Go for Williams next year, that would be

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Speaker 4: the move. Like, the kid is incredible, So I.

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Speaker 3: Think I have a hit on the head there.

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Speaker 4: There's some teams that we think are gonna be in

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