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Speaker 3: guess is Underfiltered. He's a journalist who's always maintained a

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Speaker 3: bestowed upon him, the moniker, the voice of Black America.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome to I wanted to make a conversation masterclass.

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Speaker 2: I call them the one and only Roland Martin. How

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? What's happening, Doc.

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Speaker 3: Well, they get out the way. Both of us are Houstonians. Ye,

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Speaker 3: get that out the way.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: You know your third Ward Texas on the field, Ward Texas.

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Speaker 5: Well, I went to high school in third Ward, but

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Speaker 5: I actually actually born and raised in Clinton Park.

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Speaker 5: I was born and raised in Clinton Park, right next

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Speaker 5: so Clinton people don't realize is that Clinton Park in

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Speaker 5: Pleasantville were two master planning communities for forfical Americans. My

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Speaker 5: was born and raised. So I was zoned the fir

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Speaker 5: High school, but I actually went to Yates for their

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Speaker 2: That's why I went there.

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Speaker 3: Wow, beautiful because of the fact that in Houston you

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Speaker 3: can clearly see where you know, segregation starts by naming

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Speaker 3: they immediately change names. So you know, that's the black

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Speaker 3: was when it was in Houston, Texas. We can verify that.

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Speaker 3: But in watching our careers grow. And I watched you

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Speaker 3: a lot brother unfiltered. What exactly does that mean when

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Speaker 3: I see the word unfiltered.

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Speaker 5: Well, what happens is is that when we speak to issues, Look,

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Speaker 5: A lot of people don't want to call out prominent

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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, I'll talk about you.

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Speaker 3: Because family got your back. Because family got your back,

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Speaker 5: See when I did an interview with Blad TV, and

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Speaker 3: That's what makes you unfiltered. That's what makes you just

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Speaker 2: Because really streaming is the new TV. So I'll start

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Speaker 5: This cannot be a situation where black people are the

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Speaker 5: All people have different lanes. But what comes to is

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Speaker 3: Cool Roland Martin, Wow, thank you brother. I pause because

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: And all joke aside. When I saw you at the

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Speaker 3: we both have seen each other's journey, you know, me

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Speaker 3: They see it all because they may not see it all, Rod.

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