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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Going back to open lines in just a second.

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Speaker 1: But thank you James for giving us a little ot.

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Speaker 1: So I was you mind if I like treat you

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Speaker 1: a little bit more like an interview here real quickly,

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Speaker 1: so so I won't ask you what you went in for,

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Speaker 1: but we first agree. Okay, thank you, But Mike, because

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Speaker 1: my question was really more like, so, how do you

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Speaker 1: gauge yourself when you went into the yard for the

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Speaker 1: first time, or when you're in prison for the first time?

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Speaker 1: How did you like? What was what we What were

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Speaker 1: you aware of about yourself when you walked into prison

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Speaker 1: that you may not have either expected or that you

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Speaker 1: were hoping wouldn't be true? Uh, I was aware of

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Speaker 1: I was scared lividly. Okay, but it is in in prison.

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Speaker 1: You can't show fear to anybody in prison, right, especially

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Speaker 1: in the maximum security of prison. They'll take advantage of

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Speaker 1: you severely. Okay, They'll take your stuff, they'll they'll beat

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Speaker 1: you up, they'll rape you, they'll uh make you theirs um.

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Speaker 1: The I didn't realize the danger of the of the

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Speaker 1: situation that I had put myself in until it was

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Speaker 1: just it was too late. Um, I didn't realize the

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Speaker 1: uh oh, the fact that for the next eighteen years

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Speaker 1: that I'd be living around and with death. Yeah, was

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Speaker 1: so in that sense? Did you not? Was prison not

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Speaker 1: a deterrent for you when you were starting a life

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Speaker 1: of crime or however however long you lived in this life? Um? Well?

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Speaker 1: Was it? Did it? Did it? Did that not seem

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Speaker 1: as real? Well? I to start, I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: start doing wrong because it was more appealing or anything,

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Speaker 1: or because of it. I wanted to live that life. Uh.

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Speaker 1: My parents, well, uh, that's a long, convoluted story. But

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Speaker 1: my uh my dad told me when everybody I was

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Speaker 1: fourteen that it was my life and I could live

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Speaker 1: with the way I wanted to. And prior to that,

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Speaker 1: he hadn't been a good dad. They hadn't been the

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Speaker 1: upstanding this is the way you live, right, Okay? And

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Speaker 1: I knew right from wrong. But in the beginning I

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Speaker 1: was just lashing out. I was looking for attention. And

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Speaker 1: then the police dropped the ball. Okay, where they should

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Speaker 1: have taken me and tried to counsel me, uh, tried

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Speaker 1: to Uh. They should have put me into this psycho

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Speaker 1: either had me go see a psychiatrist or a psychologist

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Speaker 1: made me talk to somebody. Right, it would have helped,

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Speaker 1: I mean it would have helped greatly. They treated you

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Speaker 1: like a lost cause. Then there were then there were

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Speaker 1: certain circumstances that happened over the course of my life

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Speaker 1: for the next from fourteen to twenty. Okay, whenever I

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Speaker 1: went to prison, I went to prison whenever I was twenty.

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Speaker 1: I was in prison before I was twenty one, just

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Speaker 1: because I wanted to get the courtroom process over with

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Speaker 1: and come on, put me in prison. Let's go, let's

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Speaker 1: start it so I can get out and you know,

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Speaker 1: try and flip my life around and try and be

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Speaker 1: a productive citizen in society. Okay, and never come back

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Speaker 1: to this because I realized before I went to prison

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Speaker 1: that you messed up bad, Jim, right, you know. So. Um,

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Speaker 1: when I was sixteen, a woman that I had met

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Speaker 1: shot herself in front of me. Oh no, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: right before, well, right before she shot herself. I was

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Speaker 1: too far away and didn't understand the ten foot rule. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you're ten feet of somebody and they go to

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Speaker 1: pull a gun on you or a nine for a weapon,

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Speaker 1: and you're quick enough, you can get to him before

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Speaker 1: they can utilize the weapon. Okay, and if you know

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Speaker 1: what you're doing to fag yourself, you can get the

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Speaker 1: weapon from him. But I've done that since i've been

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Speaker 1: out of prison, and I did that in prison too.

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Speaker 1: But but you didn't do it then, and you did.

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Speaker 1: Am I guessing right when I say you carried some

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Speaker 1: guilt with that? Yeah? I carried some guilt with that.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't close enough and she was just a little

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Speaker 1: bit quicker than I was, or she saw me coming.

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Speaker 1: But she pointed the gun at me and told me,

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Speaker 1: under knowing certain terms, she'd kill me and then kill herself.

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Speaker 1: So I backed up. She shot herself, and and the

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Speaker 1: police department theirs. They didn't bat an eye. They just

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Speaker 1: questioned me and figured out that, well, yes, she didn't

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Speaker 1: shoot herself, and then they let me go and I

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Speaker 1: went home. I went to my dad's at his work,

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Speaker 1: and uh uh. Instead of trying to give me counseling

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Speaker 1: or anything, he took me to the bar that night.

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Speaker 1: He got me. Yeah, well, I'm gonna help you forget it. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: Remember i'd see it. Now, let me ask you something.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned me very interesting, and then I'll cut

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Speaker 1: you loose, but thank you for giving me this extra time.

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Speaker 1: When you were in prison, you learned how to read

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Speaker 1: people and find out who were the dangerous ones. What

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Speaker 1: did you look for? Body language, the way they sit,

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Speaker 1: the way they stand, the way they watch people, the

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Speaker 1: companies in him no interesting. For instance, here's a scenario.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever either been in a fight or seen

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Speaker 1: a fight fiction to happen between two people. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen one of the individuals, either towards you or

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Speaker 1: towards somebody else, say I'm not scared of you. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and yeah they're terrified. They're terrified. Yes, they are scared

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Speaker 1: literally of you. Okay, and that's them trying to convince

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Speaker 1: themselves that they're not scared of you. Those are some

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Speaker 1: of the most dangerous people, some of the most dangerous

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Speaker 1: individuals in those circumstances out and they're thing that can happen.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to prove something, and so they're trying to

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Speaker 1: prove something and they're not going to back down in

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Speaker 1: front of their friends, because then they look like the coward.

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Speaker 1: So whereas you or yourself or the other person who's

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Speaker 1: just standing there looking at them. They're more of the killer.

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Speaker 1: They're more of the one that has the companies that, well,

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Speaker 1: I can't hurt you at anytime, there's nothing you can

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Speaker 1: do about it. This is what they say, by the way,

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Speaker 1: about about bulldogs, that bulldogs generally aren't very excitable. But

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Speaker 1: part of that is because they know there's something innate

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Speaker 1: about them. They know that because they're loaded the ground,

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Speaker 1: they're very thick, they got all this loose skin. They'll

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Speaker 1: finish any fight that you start there. And that's why

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Speaker 1: they tend to be dogs that just sort of stay

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Speaker 1: out of it until they come in and finish it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then so then my contrast question was now that

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Speaker 1: you're out, where do you see that type of behavior

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Speaker 1: and how do you see the world differently now that

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Speaker 1: you went through that experience of having to make quick

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Speaker 1: calculations about people who are who could harm you. Well,

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Speaker 1: m oh, because I was in there, because I lived

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Speaker 1: around the people that I live around, which eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of the population in anar would kill you for looking

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Speaker 1: at them or talking to them or bumping into them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you don't you don't necessarily know that you bumped

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Speaker 1: into them. Okay, Uh, how do I apply that out here. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: I apply it in my everyday life. There there's I have, well,

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Speaker 1: there's see one, two three for for people that I

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Speaker 1: call friends right on this planet that actually are around

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Speaker 1: me on a daily basis. Okay, and uh I picked

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Speaker 1: my friends. Calculate. I calculate, okay, and I watch them

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Speaker 1: and see the things that they do and the way

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Speaker 1: they act around people. Uh it's um. You can trust

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Speaker 1: the creep. I can spot the creep walking across the

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Speaker 1: parking lot. All right, Okay, look like he was talking

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Speaker 1: like your former guest was talking about with the guy

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Speaker 1: with a camera at the pony park, right. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just seen him too. Wait, let me ask you another question.

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Speaker 1: If we met on the street, James, you and I met,

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Speaker 1: what would you be looking for in in just you know,

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Speaker 1: drinking me in for that moment. What would you be

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Speaker 1: looking for as indicators and whether or not you would

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Speaker 1: trust me, whether you're whether you'll look me in my

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Speaker 1: eyes and you talk to me, um, whether you face

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Speaker 1: me or not. Um. The confidence in your step, the

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Speaker 1: where you walk interesting, Oh, the way you talk, the

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Speaker 1: words you use. You're intelligent, You're smart. I would have

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Speaker 1: to put you in the category of a genius. Well, see,

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Speaker 1: you just blew all your credibility right there. I think

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Speaker 1: you're smarter than that may be true, but that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, thank you so much for that. I was

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Speaker 1: really appreciate that. I was that you. There was something

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Speaker 1: about you just from the second you picked up the phone,

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Speaker 1: and I just knew I was going to learn something

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Speaker 1: from you. So I hope everybody else enjoyed that too,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the extra time. You should write a

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Speaker 1: book and then we'll have you back on as a

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Speaker 1: guest on Coast to Coast sometime. Listen to more Coast

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