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Speaker 1: Welcome to Couples Counseling with Chelsea hand Job, where we

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Speaker 1: do couples counseling on all sorts of variations of friends, lovers, families.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to my office.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hi Chelsea. I've got an update from one

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Speaker 3: of our callers.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear it all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, this is from Libby. She had written in

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Speaker 3: a couple of months ago. It was actually from our

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Speaker 3: Hannah Einbidender episode and she was in a threttle and

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Speaker 3: the guy had been in the bathroom. No, no, that

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear an update from her. We

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Speaker 3: will get an update from her soon. But this gal

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Speaker 3: was in a throat ble and it was like a

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Speaker 3: husband and wife that she had come into their relationship.

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Speaker 3: They had some kids, they all lived together, and the

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Speaker 3: husband was acting like really sketchy and like crabby and

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Speaker 3: like didn't want to have sex anymore with either of them.

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Speaker 2: So Libby says, wait, wait, wait wait. They were in

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Speaker 2: a threuttle. Yes, and Libby was like, the what do

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Speaker 2: they call it?

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Speaker 3: The unicorn? Yeah, okay, coming into the relationship. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: he had basically said, why don't have sex with you

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Speaker 3: or anybody else?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, even his wife, even his wife.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi Catherine. After our last conversation, I took Chelsea's

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Speaker 3: advice and tried to be a voice of reason between

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Speaker 3: my two partners, my girlfriend and our roommate of a boyfriend,

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Speaker 3: and tried to discuss how we could move forward as

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Speaker 3: a threatle Per usual, he did not have anything to say.

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Speaker 3: He was content with living the way things were, and

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Speaker 3: that seemed to be about it. Between Chelsea's advice and

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Speaker 3: my intuition, I knew there was more. I spent a

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Speaker 3: few days being observant. In my initial email, I had

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Speaker 3: mentioned that he'd been sleeping on the couch and had

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Speaker 3: begun sleeping with his phone underneath his pillow one night,

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Speaker 3: after admittedly drinking a bit the liquid courage ended up

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Speaker 3: being much needed lol. I saw that he quote forgot

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Speaker 3: to hide his phone. I normally don't condone going through

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Speaker 3: your partner's phone, but given the situation, I felt as

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Speaker 3: though I should hurt my own feelings and see what

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Speaker 3: he's been up to. Turns out he had spent the

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Speaker 3: last two months cheating on the two of us with

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Speaker 3: a freshly nineteen year old server who worked at the

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Speaker 3: restaurant he was managing.

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Speaker 2: At the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the arguments he created in order to take off

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Speaker 3: at work quote unquote were really just excuses to meet

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Speaker 3: up and spend time with his work girlfriend. I called

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Speaker 3: my girlfriend, who was at work at the time, and

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Speaker 3: showed her the things I had discovered. She sped home immediately,

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Speaker 3: and we threw his stuff into his car and kicked

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Speaker 3: him out right there in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 3: Looking back on things, all the signs and red flags

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Speaker 3: were extremely obvious, and I hate that we spent so

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Speaker 3: much time begging an unworthy person to stay with us.

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Speaker 3: For my girlfriend, it was hard to say goodbye to

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Speaker 3: a ten year relationship, and that loss is still being mourned.

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Speaker 3: But our life has gotten a million times better. The

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Speaker 3: energy in our household has shifted, and things all feel

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Speaker 3: lighter and happier. As for him, he's continued a downward spiral.

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Speaker 3: He was demoted from his salary management position for making

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Speaker 3: inappropriate remarks toward a sixteen year old girl who worked

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Speaker 3: I love that he wasn't fired, he was just demoted.

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Speaker 2: Like great job.

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Speaker 3: He lives with his brother and generally has a miserable life.

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Speaker 3: Karma really did her thing. Thank you for taking the

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Speaker 3: time to listen to my situation and for the much

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Speaker 3: needed advice. I feel as though that was the last

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Speaker 3: bit of validation slash confirmation I needed to face the

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Speaker 3: facts and work toward a final solution, which I guess

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Speaker 3: was as simple as looking through his phone. As her

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Speaker 3: full as it was, it made my girlfriend a nice

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Speaker 3: stronger as individuals and as a couple, and it also

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Speaker 3: opened the door for some pretty great hookups every once

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Speaker 3: in a while with men who actually appreciate our presence.

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Speaker 3: Much love, Libby, But.

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Speaker 2: I thought she said she got rid of the girlfriend too.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, so she and the girlfriend stayed together, good.

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Speaker 1: Great, perfect, and got rid of the guy and he's

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Speaker 1: the father of her children.

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Speaker 2: Yeahy uh huh, Well that's too bad. But yeah, oh awesome,

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Speaker 2: awesome if I.

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Speaker 3: Remember quickly not married, so like easy piece of taut

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Speaker 3: exactly it.

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Speaker 2: Thrupple up, have a great time. Yeah, all these other

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Speaker 2: men that are going to be much more worthwhile.

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Speaker 3: All right, So Chrissy is calling in and she had

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Speaker 3: called in with her best friend name on an episode

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Speaker 3: from August of last year called we might all be

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Speaker 3: dead by then if anyone wants to check it out,

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Speaker 3: She says, we spoke with you and Chelsea a few

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Speaker 3: months ago regarding my best friend's horrible boyfriend, and there

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Speaker 3: has been a development since then. He is now her

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Speaker 3: horrible fiance. This news was delivered to me by means

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Speaker 3: of a text saying, I hope you're on board for

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Speaker 3: a destination wedding. Normally I would be on board for

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Speaker 3: a destination anything, but what do I do here. I've

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Speaker 3: made it very clear that I don't think the boyfriend

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Speaker 3: to take him back after he continues to disrespect her.

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Speaker 3: It's honestly been a little while since we spoke. In

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Speaker 3: addition to picking horrible men to Mary, she also voted

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Speaker 3: for the horrible man in the White House. As each

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Speaker 3: new policy is unveiled, I feel like she personally pushed

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Speaker 3: the button to initiate these changes. I just don't know

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Speaker 3: how I could attend her wedding and pretend it's a

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Speaker 3: joyous event, knowing their history, being surrounded by her Trump

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Speaker 3: loving friends. I hate to throw away our friendship, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure I can look past these decisions, or

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Speaker 3: if I even should. I know I'm far from the

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Speaker 3: only one with a relationship affected by politics, but I

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Speaker 3: guess I'm wondering if I'll regret letting a decade of

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Speaker 3: friendship go because of my friend's horrible taste in men. Hi, Chrissy, Hi,

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Speaker 3: how are you? Hi?

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Speaker 2: Chray Nice to see you again.

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Speaker 1: You too.

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Speaker 3: We just got caught up on what's going on with

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Speaker 3: your friend.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Have they set a date yet?

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Speaker 4: As far as I know, they have not. We have

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Speaker 4: been a little more distant lately and we haven't talked

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Speaker 4: too too often, but I don't think that there is

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Speaker 4: a set date currently.

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Speaker 2: How did she tell you they got married or they

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Speaker 2: got engaged?

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Speaker 4: She well, he had a ring for years that he

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Speaker 4: was holding over her head and not giving to her. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I recall, and when he gave her the ring, she

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Speaker 4: was very excited to show it to me. She acted

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Speaker 4: kind of everything else was pushed under the rug, everything

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Speaker 4: leading up to that point.

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Speaker 1: Well, the good news is there most likely won't be

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Speaker 1: a wedding anyway, since you know his pattern of events

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Speaker 1: is like he's I'd be one of the chances that

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Speaker 1: he's been lording this over her head, lording it over

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Speaker 1: and then he's going to go through with a wedding

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Speaker 1: and they don't have a date. So yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: bigger question is okay, So there's that issue, and then

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Speaker 1: there's all the political stuff. I'm not opposed to if

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Speaker 1: you are up for it, to releasing this friendship, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's very hard to see somebody.

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Speaker 2: Go down that road with a partner.

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Speaker 1: Additionally, the political aspect of things is like a double whammy.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like, what are the foundations of your friendship,

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Speaker 1: what are the things that hold you guys together?

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Speaker 2: Are those still active? Is that the past?

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Speaker 1: Like sometimes we hold on too friendships because of the

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Speaker 1: history of the friendship, but it's not really serving you anymore,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, it's kind of disservicing you.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I can definitely see that. I think because

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Speaker 4: we have such a long history where we were both

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Speaker 4: single moms, we kind of played a role in helping

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Speaker 4: to raise each other's children. I think it was harder

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Speaker 4: to let it go because she almost felt like family

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Speaker 4: to me. But I also know that there are times

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Speaker 4: that you have to let family go.

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Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, yeah, And like, do you feel that you

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Speaker 1: get anything out of this relationship in its current status?

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Speaker 4: So do I miss having that friend that I shared

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Speaker 4: everything with? She was my person that you know, we

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Speaker 4: there were no boundaries, We talked about everything, and I

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Speaker 4: don't have that person in my life currently. So I

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Speaker 4: think I miss having a best friend more than I

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Speaker 4: miss her specifically, right.

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Speaker 2: I think that's your answer, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I think you should make room for a new

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Speaker 1: best friend because I think it's nice to have those memories,

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Speaker 1: and she served her purpose for a period of time

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Speaker 1: in your life, and now through everything that you've seen,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's not adding to your life. I would

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Speaker 1: argue that it's taking from you because of both subject matters,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be confrontational. It could just

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Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to watch you go and

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Speaker 1: And the best way for me to respect that is to.

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Speaker 2: Not be there. I don't want to be there.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, like if you feel compelled, like

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Speaker 4: I had sort of tried to fade away, and then

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Speaker 4: I felt like she kind of kept putting the effort

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Speaker 4: out there, sending a text, calling, and then I finally

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Speaker 4: kind of had the conversation with her, saying, I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: that I have been distant lately, but with the way

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Speaker 4: that everything in the country is going, I didn't know

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Speaker 4: that I could have a civil conversation with you without

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Speaker 4: us And we tried. We tried to, you know, kind

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Speaker 4: of text through that, and she kind of tried to

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Speaker 4: make some of her points, and I just got enraged.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 4: And I think we are just in such different places

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Speaker 4: of things right now.

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Speaker 1: Right I think it would probably be helpful for you

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Speaker 1: to just take a long break from the relationship, you know,

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Speaker 1: and circle back around if and when that time feels right, Like,

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Speaker 1: you don't have any obligation to continue a friendship where

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Speaker 1: you're so at odds with each other on multiple fronts,

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Speaker 1: like it's not just one thing, it's multiple things.

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Speaker 3: Now, And I also think you're right, like you also

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Speaker 3: aren't obligated to like put a period on the end

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Speaker 3: of the sentence, so to speak, like it is okay,

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Speaker 3: things do fizzle, and like maybe there's some time in

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Speaker 3: the future that she comes back into your life, but

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Speaker 3: like I think it's okay to just let it lie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let it lie, And if she needs to reason

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Speaker 1: explain it, you can always be honest with her and

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Speaker 1: just say I'm sorry, Like I want you to do

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, but that I just it's

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Speaker 1: painful for me to watch this, Like it's painful for

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Speaker 1: me to see this. It's painful for me to accept

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Speaker 1: your political views.

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Speaker 2: I accept them, I believe them.

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Speaker 1: But what I need to do is kind of remove

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Speaker 1: myself from this situation right now because things are too ugly.

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Speaker 2: Both raised each other's children together.

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Speaker 1: That was beautiful, Like that's the best memory you're gonna have, probably,

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: So do not wrap yourself up at guilt, wrap yourself

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, you can grieve that relationship or

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Speaker 2: You've been an.

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Speaker 1: She's not seeing that, So you know, if she doesn't

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Speaker 3: Right, Chrissy, will you follow up with us in a

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Speaker 2: Bye bye.

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