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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to hoops today here at the Volume

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Speaker 2: Heavy Sunday. Everybody. Hope all of you guys are having

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Speaker 2: a great weekend. Well, Colin Coward was very kind to

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Speaker 2: join us tonight with his time, and this time two

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Speaker 2: days ago we were looking at a what looked like

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers on their way to potentially a sweep

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Speaker 2: to go to the finals. We're talking about trading Karl

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Speaker 2: Anthony Towns. Everyone's blowing a bunch of smoke about the

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Speaker 2: Thunder and how they're the all time great team. And

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Speaker 2: now we're sitting here on Sunday evening and both series

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Speaker 2: are two to one and very very different Colin. My

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Speaker 2: initial read was just simply that this is more or

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Speaker 2: less where the Eastern Conference Finals should be at this

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Speaker 2: point in that I thought the Knicks looked like the

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Speaker 2: better team in Game one and they blew it, And

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Speaker 2: I thought the Pacers looked like the better team tonight

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Speaker 2: that I thought they let their foot off the gas

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. The Knicks did find some stuff,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get into that, but Carl Anthony town steals

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Speaker 2: this game just like Aaron Nesmith stole Game one, and

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Speaker 2: it kind of feels like we're supposed to be two

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Speaker 2: to one Indie and here we are two to one Indie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they are really different teams. At one point,

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Speaker 1: the Pacers had a sixteen to nothing fast break points advantage.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell Indiana always wants to push

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Speaker 1: the pace, but tonight it was basically in the half

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Speaker 1: court Carl Anthony Towns with Jalen Brunson off the floor

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Speaker 1: for most of it. He had one of these Carl

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Speaker 1: Anthony Towns games, and I think I've told you this before.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird thing. I swear to god. I

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Speaker 1: went to about six NBA games. He played in five

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Speaker 1: of them. There was this stretch in LA. Every time

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Speaker 1: I went to a game he was playing, and he's

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Speaker 1: in all of them. He had a quarterway. He was

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Speaker 1: the best player on the floor by long shot. And

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Speaker 1: he does this and you know for a guy his size,

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Speaker 1: like his first step for a guy his size, like

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Speaker 1: he's long and he's angular and he's a handful. He's

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Speaker 1: a handful for a big and I've just seen him

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Speaker 1: do stuff like this before. But I thought with Brunson

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Speaker 1: centric great player. This was Brunson in Dallas, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of those were in a weird way. It was

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Speaker 1: like Karl Anthony Taw. The team was just looking for

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Speaker 1: do this. He doesn't sustain it, he gets in foul trouble.

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Speaker 1: He can be inefficient, he's flaky. But and then I think,

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Speaker 1: is what happens in the NBA. This isn't college Like,

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Speaker 1: there's just things happened quickly in the NBA, and you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even when it was a two or three point

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Speaker 2: that happened to New York. All of a sudden, their

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Speaker 2: Suddenly Aaron E. Smith's hitting every single three he takes.

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Speaker 2: up being deuced McBride and they went on like a

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Speaker 2: gets that first step, the bigs all try to catch

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Speaker 2: is the most interesting part you mentioned it, Colin, Indy's

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Speaker 2: offense got shook. This is the first time in a

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Speaker 2: long time I've seen Indy's offense get their foundation shaken

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Speaker 2: the way that the Knicks did. And what it really

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Speaker 2: it's been so fascinating, Colin, because it's different than the

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Speaker 2: Celtics series. In the Celtic series, Cat and Brunson were

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Speaker 2: The Celtics succumbs to their switching and they just tried

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Speaker 2: did a good job. But in this series, the job

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Speaker 2: getting back in transition defense. It's a lot of like

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Speaker 2: most of it, it's Duce McBride out there, a substantially

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Speaker 2: rotation and one of the things with this Pacers team,

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Speaker 2: Siakam and Halliburton can play one on one, but that's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily what they do at a superstar level, right,

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Speaker 2: And that's what happened in this game. They don't have

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Speaker 2: I still feel pretty strongly that Indiana is gonna get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's one of the reasons Indiana

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Speaker 1: the floor really well. But they got into us, Indiana

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Speaker 1: you're just watching it and you're like, oh, this is mud.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't work at all. It's and you know it's

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Speaker 1: I think the Pacers are a better team. I I

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Speaker 1: think there's certain things the Knicks need to do. I

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Speaker 1: think what happened to the Pacers tonight can happen to

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Speaker 1: the next more often where they feel a little stock

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Speaker 1: if Brunson's not hitting. And if I recall, I think

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Speaker 1: Halliburton was out for a little bit. He was out

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Speaker 1: Brunson doesn't control the pace, he controls them scoring. Halliburton

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Speaker 1: and he does, but it just didn't. It felt clunky

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Speaker 2: I just.

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Speaker 1: This is a hard series to officiate. Just give me

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Speaker 1: They're aggressive offensive players with a nice touch. There was

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Speaker 1: so many calls going against the Knicks in the second half,

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Speaker 1: a hard series to officiate. New York's a good defensive team.

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Speaker 1: Indiana is an underrated defensive team. And the Bigs move

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Speaker 1: and they collide and I don't know. As I watched

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Speaker 2: I thought, no, absolutely, That's why I wasn't upset about

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Speaker 2: the Siaka one, Like Siaka block Deuce McBride clean. That

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Speaker 2: But there were like three or four calls against against

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Speaker 2: to the point you're making, what makes this series so

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Speaker 2: hard to officiate is on the one hand, you've got Brunson,

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Speaker 2: And then on the other side, the Pacers just play

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Speaker 2: have to. If you don't, they're just gonna cut you

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Speaker 2: to pieces. And so there's a lot of these like

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Speaker 2: take the contact, and they're getting called for fouls in

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Speaker 2: a lot of those situations, and it is a very

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Speaker 2: difficult series to officiate. But what causes those fouls, to

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter that, like you said, there was a six

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Speaker 2: Jananoby's you know, four inches taller than you and at

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Speaker 1: Okay Western Conference Game three pretty much unwatchable blowout and

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Speaker 1: and you know there's a there's a way Minnesota has

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Speaker 1: hard to find anybody that likes watching OKAC play. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, really really hard. And I also think, and

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Speaker 1: I also think when you're playing a team like Okay

430
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: See so much, I wonder about sometimes Okay See is

431
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 1: so good defensively and so swarming and so frenetic. I

432
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: do wonder if Minnesota players tend to spend so much

433
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: of their on court time thinking about that. So much

434
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: of playing OKAC is deciphering their defense and figuring out

435
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to really be you have to

436
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: already be intentional when you play them defensively, because they

437
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: can trap you, they can make you look bad fast.

438
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: And so I think sometimes when you play okay See,

439
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: they don't play like a lot of other teams. Nobody

440
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: quite plays like them, and I think they can get

441
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: into your headspace and it's why. And then you go

442
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: on the road and they and now they lead by

443
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: six and SGA is getting the whistle. I do feel something,

444
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the numbers say, but I

445
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: do feel like OKAC is like Indiana. I get the

446
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: same team, the same team. I got enough veteran I

447
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: feel with Oklahoma City they're a vulnerable road team. I've

448
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: got a shot. You know, Denver. They didn't look quite

449
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: the same at Denver. Now maybe it's altitude. Now, maybe

450
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this, and the splits don't say that,

451
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: but I do feel like a Oka See is a

452
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 1: vulnerable team on the road that you can win your

453
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: home games against them.

454
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: They're three and three Collins and their defense. Their offense

455
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: falls all the way down to a one oh four offensive, right,

456
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: that's brutally bad, and their defense slides all the way

457
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: up to one twelve, which is pretty bad for them.

458
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you're not what you're onto is

459
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: what's really been happening with them?

460
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yep, they're a different offense on the road.

461
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: They don't feel like the same team. And that doesn't

462
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: surprise us because they're young and they and they play

463
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: with huge energy at home. But when I watch them

464
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: on the road at Denver a couple of times, I'm like,

465
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel the same. It's a different I

466
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: honestly feel of all the teams left, I get the

467
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: exact same team with minutes with Indiana, except for six

468
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: minutes tonight. I feel like I get this exact same

469
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: Pacer squad home and away. They want to run if

470
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: they can't, you know, I just, okay, see, of all

471
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: the four teams left, I feel like I get a

472
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: different OKAC team home and away.

473
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: To your point about adjusting to Okac's defense too, Like

474
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: I thought, Aunt and Julius did a poor job in

475
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: the first two games of attacking their defense, like I

476
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: call in like because Oklahoma City's defense, I don't know

477
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: if you like just stare at any possession. Shay's ignoring

478
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: whoever he's guarding, just sitting in the basket. They've got three, four,

479
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: sometimes five guys in the paint on like every single drive.

480
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: They're daring Minnesota to take and make corner threes in

481
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: this series and in the like when after Game one

482
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: when Ant was like, I vowed to be more aggressive,

483
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not the answer. They're like, you're gonna

484
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: just drive into the teeth of the defense and you're

485
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: gonna take bad shots. And by the way, in the

486
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: first half of Game two, he took eighteen shots and

487
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: had sixteen points to show for it. What was kind

488
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: of fascinating about the flow of this series is to

489
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: your point, you start to get more comfortable as you adjust.

490
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: Aunt and Julius were awesome in Game three, especially early

491
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 2: at making those corner kicks, and they were finally knocking

492
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: down those corner threes. They have had three games worth

493
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: of experience against Oklahoma City's base defensive scheme, and they're

494
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 2: starting to figure it out a little bit. Oklahoma City

495
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: saw that bad game plan for two games and then

496
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: Finch throws the appropriate game plan in game three, and

497
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: they looked like completely shell shocked by it. I mean, Colin,

498
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw it. In Game one,

499
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City only took like twenty threes and the reason

500
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: why is because they were staying glued off the ball

501
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: and letting Shay play one on one. It's it's such

502
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: a fundamentally different defensive game plan that Minnesota is rocking

503
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: from this point forward now. To be clear, in Game four,

504
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: by the way, via DraftKings. All of our odds are

505
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: from DraftKings. Oklahoma City is a three point favorite in

506
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: Game four, and that feels right to me. I think

507
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a close game. They're gonna bring an

508
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: intense defensive effort right away out the gates. That's gonna

509
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: test Aunt and Julius's decision making again. And then you're

510
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: gonna see Oklahoma City, because they have seen this defense

511
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: before with Denver. You're gonna see them kind of come

512
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: into the game prepared for that game plan. That said,

513
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: and this is the one thing I'd say, like, I

514
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: think Minnesota has a much better chance of beating Oklahoma

515
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: City from this point forward than the Knicks do with

516
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: the Pacers, because what Minnesota can bring to the table

517
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: is Denver caut problems for OKC was some weak defensive personnel.

518
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: Minnesota's got a bunch of really good defenders out there,

519
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: and so if they properly execute this game plan, they

520
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: could potentially do some real damage. And as long as

521
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: they ride that momentum going forward in the series. There's

522
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: also a little bit of like a Aunt straight up

523
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: can be unguardable sometimes with some of the shots that

524
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: he can make, and like he was just better than

525
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: Shay in Game three, and if he can maintain that,

526
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: that would be the other thing that could swing things

527
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: back towards Minnesota.

528
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny segue back to the Knicks Pacers.

529
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: And I was watching the Pacers when they took that

530
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: twenty point first half lead, and they were just transition

531
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: basketball at its best. Just I mean, they score fast,

532
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, don't fall for it, Colin, don't

533
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: fall for it, because a couple of years ago Denver

534
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: won the title and I'm like, oh, they're gonna reel

535
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: off like three, and then Bruce Brown left and then

536
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: casep and they didn't. I mean, they didn't have a

537
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: great bench to begin with, and now it's a bad

538
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: bench and they become you know, Murray gets hurt. And

539
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: I've never been a huge Michael Porter fan. I've always been.

540
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: I always think Aaron Gordon's underrated Porter to me, just

541
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: I think he's the nod fit and a bit overpaid.

542
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you look up and

543
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: Denver just looks good. And I watched Indiana, I said,

544
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, God, I love watching them play.

545
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: But as I watch all of these teams, even Oklahoma City,

546
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: and we've just stated it there, they're the one team

547
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: that you get a different version on the road. They're

548
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: not nearly as good as they are at home. Is

549
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: that I feel like whoever wins this year will not

550
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: win the following year. And I first of all, there's

551
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna be ay honest move. KD could go to the Knicks.

552
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: They could get another basket. You know, if they moved

553
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: off Karl Anthony Towns at his flakiness and just said

554
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna go get Durant. We'll let Carl go, We'll

555
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 1: keep Robinson, he is what he is, but we'll have

556
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: Durant at the in the game late, so we can

557
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: we can live with them. I feel like the Pacers

558
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: feel a little bit like the Nuggets. I'm falling in love,

559
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: like I fell in love with Jokic and Gordon. I'm like, God,

560
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: I love this team, but it wasn't as sustainable. It

561
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: was very Jokicic dominant. And Murray, you know, he's just

562
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: one of those players that I like a lot, I

563
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: don't love, and I kind of feel like with Indiana,

564
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm falling for it because and I'm doing this because

565
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: it's like confirmation bias. I love watching them play, and

566
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: so I'm talking myself into Indiana's great. But then I

567
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: watched them and I think to myself, no, they're not great.

568
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: What they have as a remarkable player in Halliburton, and

569
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: what Denver had is a remarkable player in Jokic, And

570
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: what Minnesota has as a remarkable player in Ant and

571
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: Brunson's one of the great small closers in the game

572
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: is I think this is what the NBA is going

573
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: to be, is that everybody's going to have a great

574
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: player and a very good too. But the days of

575
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: having three guys that you can depend on I just think, Jason,

576
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I think it's over. I just don't think that multiple aprons.

577
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they allow it. And so those teams

578
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: are just going to eventually get beat. They'll come in

579
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: as a favorite, they'll have it, they'll have an injury,

580
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: they'll lose a bench guy, and it's just funny watching

581
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Indiana tonight. I'm like, oh boy, this team, this team,

582
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: I thought, wait, put the brakes on Jesus. They can't

583
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: even get to the next tonight. What if I took

584
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: these four teams, all things considered, and I said, one

585
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: of them will win multiple titles? Are you set on Okac?

586
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, He's the only team that could theoretically keep

587
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: this kind of talent accumulated for long enough. Like Indiana

588
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: is already going to face some tough questions coming up, Like, Okay,

589
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: Miles Turner is kind of very important to the way

590
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: we play offense. Are we going to pay because Miles,

591
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: guess what call it? Starting center money in the NBA

592
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: now is like thirty million a year. Like that's like

593
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: the baseline, Like we're starting the discussion at thirty million

594
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: a year. That's what Isaia Hartenstein got. And if I'm

595
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: Miles Hard, Miles Turner's agent. I'm going to him like

596
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: thirty is the basement, Like, so are you gonna how

597
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: are you gonna continue to build around Nie Smith, who,

598
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: by the by the way, Nie Smith is a dude

599
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: who just stole you a playoff game, who's averaging fifteen

600
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: points a game in this playoff run is your primary

601
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: point of attack, defender and shooting forty five percent from three.

602
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: That's a twenty five million dollar player, Like Halliburton's a

603
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: super Max player. Nemhard, you could argue as a twenty

604
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: million dollar player. Siakam is a forty million dollar player.

605
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: Like It just gets really difficult to maintain the payrolls

606
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: in these In these situations, the thing with Oklahoma City

607
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: is they're going to run into that problem in a

608
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: couple of years. They can theoretically win this year, run

609
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: it back, win again, run it back, but it will

610
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: be a shorter window relative to previous entities like this

611
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: because of the fact that eventually they're gonna have to

612
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: pay j Dubb Cason. Wallace is looking a lot like

613
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: a twenty five million dollar player to me, right, like

614
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Jed Holmgren's a forty million dollar player. Ja Dub's gonna

615
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: be a forty million dollar play. Like, they're all just

616
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: so good that inevitably going to have to pay all

617
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: these dudes, and it's just going to become impossible to

618
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: maintain the roster. Now there's a second conversation to have

619
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: as it pertains to whether or not the league should

620
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: pivot from this structure because it penalizes smartly run NBA teams.

621
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, on the other three teams Indiana, New York, Minnesota,

622
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: there's no chance to like sustain success because of just

623
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: how expensive it is to have. Like you talk about

624
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 2: a playoff rotation, you want six guys you can definitely

625
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: trust and probably a seventh that you can kind of trust.

626
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: And it's like a playoff guy you can trust is

627
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: a bare minimum twenty million in the open market. So like,

628
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: it's just very difficult to find the means with which

629
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: to maintain this. And Oklahoma City will have draft picks.

630
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: They can supplement it with draft picks, but a draft

631
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: pick isn't going to be able to impact winning at

632
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: a playoff level right away, And you can try trading them,

633
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: but it's just going to bring back expensive contracts. It's

634
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: just kind of the reality of the situation. I will

635
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: say with the Knicks, Colin I, I think there's a

636
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: lot of interesting Kevin Durant potential destinations. I think the

637
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Knicks are one. I also kind of think the Pacers

638
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: are one. One of the reasons why I like the

639
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: Pacers is like, I don't think the Pacers have much

640
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: of a chance at all to beat Oklahoma City. I

641
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Speaker 2: think it's a horrible matchup for them. Oklahoma City has

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Speaker 2: six lightning fast guards that can chase all their guards around,

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Speaker 2: and they could switch everything, and they also have im protection,

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Speaker 2: and they have all the offensive talent to be able

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Speaker 2: to score on them. I worry about the Pacers' ability

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Speaker 2: to get a bucket against a team that can keep

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Speaker 2: them in front. And they're a team like if I

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Speaker 2: just had a better version of Siakam, I all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden view them as a more substantial title threat,

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Speaker 2: and so like, they're a team that I could see like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're a little older, Miles Turner's kind of older. We

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Speaker 2: need to make some sort of win now move to

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Speaker 2: capitalize on this before it gets too expensive. I could

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Speaker 2: see KD being that guy for them as well. There's

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Speaker 2: a bunch of teams where KD could immediately raise their ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to

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Speaker 1: this up. We can close on this because I saw

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Speaker 1: this today. It's fascinating. So a university professor in finance

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Speaker 1: looked up the value of Caitlin Clark for the WNBA.

681
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Speaker 1: This is insane. So this year, last season in the WNBA,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark was twenty six and a half percent of

683
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Speaker 1: all economic activity as a rookie on the worst team

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Speaker 1: in the league when she entered it. So now she

685
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Speaker 1: has an eight year, one hundred and twenty eight million

686
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: dollar deal with Nike, so you know she's she's gonna

687
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Speaker 1: eat merchandise in the league. Went up off a rookie

688
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: from a Midwest based school on the worst team in

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Speaker 1: the league two hundred and thirty four percent. But here

690
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Speaker 1: was the one that struck me so before she got there,

691
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Fever, the valuation of the franchise was ninety million.

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Speaker 1: Remember they play a short season, it's not like the

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Speaker 1: NBA where it lasts like six months after playing what

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Speaker 1: forty games. The valuation of that team now is three

695
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Speaker 1: hundred and forty million dollars. She is almost.

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Speaker 2: That's what NBA teams were selling for ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: She has quaged loop holes ago the valuation, and I

698
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: was talking. I was with a group of friends tonight

699
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: at dinner, and people that didn't know the WNBA were

700
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: like asking, well, well, why, well what does she do?

701
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: And we said, well, she makes passes and take shots

702
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: that nobody else in the sport does. So she's a

703
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Speaker 1: bit of a It's like when Tiger Woods came on

704
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Speaker 1: the tour, Like he drove it further, He's long, putting

705
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Speaker 1: was better, he looked like a football player in the

706
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: red shirts, Like he just was different than every other

707
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Speaker 1: golfer you grew up with, and people like unique and different.

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Speaker 1: Here my question to you is there's still no other

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Speaker 1: Like somebody said at the party, well there'd be another

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, and I'm like, well, there's not another Steph Curry.

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Speaker 1: Like there's guys that can shoot threes. I don't think

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00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: it's a game you duplicate. And I listen, let's just

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Speaker 1: be honest. There are more great male athletes in the

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Speaker 1: world than female athletes. There is no second Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: there is no other player that plays like that. My

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Speaker 1: take is she could be a billion dollar athlete. Are

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Speaker 1: you are you surprised by it? Like when I see

718
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Speaker 1: these numbers, I'm like, oh, this is Tiger in the tour.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't this isn't even Jordan, this is totally different.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think when you look at basketball, there are

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Speaker 2: two real kind of like ultimate show type of athletes

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Speaker 2: that you see, meaning like must see television. And it's

723
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Speaker 2: the supreme vertical athlete, which think like young Lebron or

724
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Speaker 2: kind of like Anthony Edwards now Dominique. Yeah, like the

725
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: guy that does stuff in the air that is unlike

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Speaker 2: anything you see anywhere else j And then the second

727
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Speaker 2: piece of it is just unbelievable shot making. Those are

728
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Speaker 2: the two things. Those are the two things that like

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Speaker 2: really bring eyes to television. To take it a step further,

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Speaker 2: there are two types of basketball players that I think

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Speaker 2: are far and away the most winning impact in the

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Speaker 2: current game of basketball. It's the big, strong playmaker think Lebron,

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Speaker 2: Luka Jokic, And it's the indomitable shooter, which there's really

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Speaker 2: only been Steph. I think those two types of players

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Speaker 2: are the players that give you the best chances to

736
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Speaker 2: win basketball games in the modern in the modern world. Now,

737
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Speaker 2: what makes it fascinating to me, because that's what Caitlyn

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Speaker 2: Clark is. She's a different type of player, and she

739
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: can do a lot of different types of things, but

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Speaker 2: she's a essentially bringing a Steph Curry like basketball impact

741
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Speaker 2: to the WNBA. It's really this simple. If you can

742
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Speaker 2: shoot the way that she shoots, so the way step shoots,

743
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Speaker 2: and you can perpetually be in motion running around, inevitably

744
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: there is an overreaction to your shooting ability. And we

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00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: see this all the time with Kaitlyn, just like you're

746
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: gonna see you're gonna see Aliah Boston get NonStop easy

747
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Speaker 2: buckets in the mid range or rolling to the basket,

748
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Speaker 2: because every time she sets a screen for Caitlin, her

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Speaker 2: defender is stepping up to guard Kaitlin because as she

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Speaker 2: comes off of that screen, if you're not there, she's

751
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Speaker 2: gonna shoot it and she's gonna make it. And so

752
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: there's a reaction that invert spacing in brings a four

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Speaker 2: on three because you bring multiple defenders away from the rim,

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Speaker 2: there's a four on three with a vacated paint and

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Speaker 2: because of that, there's a lot of easy opportunities to

756
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Speaker 2: score there. Like that's the thing with Steph Curry, Like,

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Speaker 2: Steph Curry is not the same shot maker that he

758
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Speaker 2: was for you years ago in twenty twenty one, but

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00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: just the simple threat of him running around gives the

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Speaker 2: Warriors a chance to score. And that's the thing. Like

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Speaker 2: Caitlyn hasn't even really started hitting shots yet this year

762
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Speaker 2: or the way that she's capable of, but everyone knows

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Speaker 2: she can and they guard her in that fashion. And

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Speaker 2: so to me, it's kind of like a proof of

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Speaker 2: concept in that if you can shoot and you can

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Speaker 2: run around the way that Steph does, and you can

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00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: strike fear into a defense in that way, the trickle

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00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: down effects with the way that defenses guard you just

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Speaker 2: make everything so much easier for her. And like you

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Speaker 2: could argue she's already the best offensive engine in the

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Speaker 2: WNBA and she's literally a second year player and like,

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Speaker 2: and she still has so much room to improve, Like

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Speaker 2: she still struggles with ball pressure, she still turns the

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Speaker 2: she turned the ball over too much against the Liberty

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Speaker 2: the other night. She still has a little bit of

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Speaker 2: an issue where she kind of cross fires across her face,

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00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: which makes it so she can only shoot going left.

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Speaker 2: She needs to build it out so that she can

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Speaker 2: shoot running to her right as well. But like, judging

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Speaker 2: by her psycho competitive attitude, she's probably gonna figure that

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Speaker 2: that stuff out in the next year or two and

782
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: then she'll be the best player in the league. And

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00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: so like, to me, it's just she fits the mold

784
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Speaker 2: of one of the most impactful types of basketball players

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Speaker 2: you can be today, which is the deadly movement shooter.

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Speaker 2: If you're a deadly movement shooter, it just opens up

787
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Speaker 2: so many things for an offense. And and honestly, I

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Speaker 2: just think I think she's musty television Colin. I've watched

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Speaker 2: all four of her games, and and I'm in my

790
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Speaker 2: busy season, Like you think i'd be taking a break.

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Speaker 2: My wife said to me the other day, She's like,

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Speaker 2: you're watching more basketball. I'm like, it's Katelyn Clark. We're

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Speaker 2: watching more basketball. Come over here, let's watch this.

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Speaker 1: Like she's incredible, and she's not getting she doesn't know

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Speaker 1: what's get the consistent great star whistle she I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's I think they're still kind of figuring out how

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00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: to officiate her right, Like like when you're when you know,

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Speaker 1: I've said this for years when I covered Shack and

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Speaker 1: Shack got fouled more than anybody I've ever seen. I mean,

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00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: it was insane. You just people bounced off Shack. Yolks

801
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: feel Yokic complains constantly like people are bouncing off me.

802
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: She doesn't quite get as favorable a whistle as you think,

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00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: so I think.

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00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: Neither does Staph too, That's the funny part.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think I will give the WNBA credit.

806
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: They they just didn't understand the tsunami ever popularity, like

807
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: they didn't get the schedule, and you don't know what

808
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: you don't know. They've done a much better job to

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00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, all her games are on television. Every time

810
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: I turn on a WA every time I see a

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Speaker 1: promote promotion for the WNBA, it's Caitlin Clark. So they're there.

812
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Speaker 1: But I do think there's a process on. You know,

813
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Speaker 1: you're an official. You don't want to give her too

814
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: favorable a whistle because the players in the league will

815
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: resent her to some degree. She's getting all this attention

816
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: and I don't. And I will say this, I've defended

817
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: the w NBA with this baseball and the WNBA feel

818
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: ignored the NFL and the NBA. In college football they

819
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: get a lot of press, and baseball always feels like, hey,

820
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: we're America's pastime. So they're very insular, sometimes very provincial.

821
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Speaker 1: And the WNBA, similarly, you don't pay attention to us.

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Speaker 1: So there's part of it, like I get like they

823
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: sort of resent this one player. Nobody talks WNBA. They do,

824
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: and it's all her, you know. I remember when Tiger

825
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: was eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, coming on of the tour.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of people in golf that were like,

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Speaker 1: could you guys show, could you talk in your sportscast

828
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Speaker 1: about anybody other than Tiger Woods? So she's not. Bryce

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00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: Harper came into baseball. He fought with an own teammate

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00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: in the dugout because it was like, oh, everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to talk to So I do defend the WNBA. Is

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Speaker 1: that I get if nobody paid attention to you for

833
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: twenty six years and now they do, and they feign

834
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: interest in the rest of the league. What we all

835
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: care about is Caitlin. So the animosity built up by players,

836
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: I give it a little bit of a pass, you know.

837
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: I think people are spending too much time on race.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is what it is. There's a million platforms,

839
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: a million opinions, but I I don't know. My take

840
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: is they're still in the adjustment period with Caitlin. How

841
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: to market, how to promote, how to officiate, how to defend,

842
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: and it's just fluid. That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 2: I think that like when I see the complaining, like

844
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: I saw some players complain and some members of the

845
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: media complain that she was on TV so much, and

846
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: let's just take us out, take fairness and just put

847
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: it to the side for a minute, like even with

848
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: Nike and giving Kaitlin a shoot like set that aside

849
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: for a minute and just focus on her being on television. Okay,

850
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: her being on television brought my eyes to it. I

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00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: didn't watch the WNBA. I have grown to really enjoy

852
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 2: watching WNBA basketball even when she's not on and they're

853
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: like Thenfista Collier became one of my favorite basketball players

854
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: watching her in the finals run last year. And what

855
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: brought me to the television was Caitlin. So like, let's

856
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: say that the league came out there like every Caitlyn

857
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Clark games on national television, like, that's just what we're

858
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: going to do. Deal with it. That would be genius,

859
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: because the best way you can market the other WNBA

860
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: players is to have them play against Kaitlin Clark because

861
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Speaker 2: we'll all be watching. Okay, well, no one's covering the

862
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: rest of the league. Okay, but if you put Caitlin

863
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: on television and you get more people to watch, it

864
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: will create more WNBA fans. And we live in the

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Speaker 2: most colin I started making NBA content out of my

866
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: guest bedroom. Okay, you create a bunch of WNBA fans,

867
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Speaker 2: Passionate members of the media will originate from that mass

868
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: and will cover the league better, and overall, the league

869
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: will gain in popularity and gain and impact, and it

870
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: will become a momentous thing that carries forward and actually

871
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: does shine a big flashlight on the rest of the WNBA.

872
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark is the vehicle with which to microwave that,

873
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: to accelerate it, and to move it into a fast

874
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Speaker 2: track towards what could be a bright future for the WNBA.

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00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: It's great basketball, It's genuinely great basketball. She's the best

876
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: vehicle with which tow to elevate the sport. I think

877
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: anything they can do to put her on TV and

878
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: promote her is the best thing they could do for

879
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: the sport.

880
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Connor McGregor UFC. You know, you knew it existed,

881
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: you'd seen fights, You started buying pay per view cards

882
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: and sitting through two and a half hours to get

883
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: to his fight, and then all of a sudden, you

884
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: found yourself a year later hooked on two other fighters

885
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: because Dana White would put the second most popular fighter

886
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: in the undercards. So all of a sudden, it's John

887
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Jones into Connor McGregor and then they So it's just

888
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: basic marketing. And I've said before I do think the

889
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: WNBA women's basketball and I said this years ago in

890
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: FS one, probably five years ago. The sport was getting better.

891
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: The women were you know, several generations of women were

892
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: encouraged to play basketball and to be athletes, and nutritionists

893
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: came into the sport and better trainers. There was money

894
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: in the league, so they had better training and the

895
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: players were getting better. But it takes this, Listen, it

896
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: took Magic and Bird in the NBA to take a

897
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: league that there were some financial problems. So it's not

898
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: like a gender issue. It's a I mean, I I

899
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: think Connor McGregor's erosion as a fighter has hurt UFC.

900
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel as urgent. And that's and that's already

901
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: established and so and we all know that Michael Jordan

902
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: left once Magic Bird and Michael had driven the league up,

903
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: Michael left, the ratings dropped fifty percent. So this stuff

904
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: outside of the NFL, it's all cyclical, it's all market based,

905
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: it's all star based, and it's just a WNBA. You know,

906
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: was waiting for its first Tiger, and golf's probably had

907
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: four in my life, you know, Jack Nicholson, Arnold Palmer, Tiger.

908
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I think Rory's got a little bit of it, Phil Micholson.

909
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: So the history of golf, you know, if you modern

910
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: history has got like five guys that have done it.

911
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: So there's no reason to be defensive about it. It

912
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: just it's all these leagues. They all eventually, I mean,

913
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: look at boxing, Ollie took it from whatever it was

914
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Speaker 1: to the next level. Then there were Sugar, Ray, Leonard

915
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: and Hagler. But when Larry Holmes arrived, nobody wanted to

916
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: watch Larry Holmes. That took an old George Foreman and

917
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Speaker 1: telling a grill that you bake chicken on or cook

918
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Speaker 1: chicken on to I mean literally to get the casual

919
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: back into boxing. Was George Foreman's second tour. So this

920
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: is the way sports works outside of football.

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Speaker 2: The cyclical thing is so fascinating because that's literally what

922
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: the NBA is about to go through. Lebron and Steph

923
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: won eight titles in eleven years and now there's not

924
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: really a big name yet. Now you could argue that

925
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: the parody might prevent the rise of a star, and

926
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Speaker 2: that's a separate conversation for another day, but it is

927
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Speaker 2: really fascinating. We're in one of those cycles right now

928
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Speaker 2: with the NBA. The old guard's going out and there's

929
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Speaker 2: a new guard coming up.

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Speaker 2: But Colin, I sincerely appreciate you giving us your time tonight.

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Speaker 2: This has been a super fun playoff runt. I'm sure

937
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Speaker 2: we'll be talking in about a week or so. Again, everyone,

938
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Speaker 2: thank you guys so much for supporting the show. No

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Speaker 2: playback tonight, just a heads up. We'll be back with

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Speaker 2: that tomorrow night, and then I will be live on

941
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Speaker 2: YouTube after the final buzzer of Game four of what

942
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Speaker 2: should be an incredible Western Conference Finals game tomorrow night.

943
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Speaker 2: I will see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Then the volume