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Speaker 1: have such a long career. Yes, um, I want to
Speaker 1: take it from the beginning, like what was inspired you
Speaker 1: to get just just to start spinning period? You know, honestly,
Speaker 1: it was something that I got into at you know,
Speaker 1: the younger, at a young age because of an older
Speaker 1: cousin I looked up to, you know. I mean it
Speaker 1: was so it was that type of thing that got me.
Speaker 1: I got open up. Yet it was it was something
Speaker 1: you know, my older cousin was doing, so you know,
Speaker 1: I just didn't really just to be like him. And
Speaker 1: he told me, like, you know, you know you're too young.
Speaker 1: Was he making records? No, No, it's just just you know,
Speaker 1: just him and two of his boys around the way,
Speaker 1: you know, the best side. You know, it was like
Speaker 1: a little rap group for three man rap group and
Speaker 1: he told me I was too young, like now, you know,
Speaker 1: you know when you get older. So then from that
Speaker 1: point my mission became to be better than the other
Speaker 1: two dudes down with him. So I started off frightened
Speaker 1: battle rhymes you feel me, and that's what I was
Speaker 1: doing them. When I felt I had it right, I
Speaker 1: went in battled the two dudes down with him, beat
Speaker 1: them much older than you. Yeah, yeah, I battled them
Speaker 1: and beat them and then ask them can I be
Speaker 1: down now? You know? Oh I got notes and ship nigga.
Speaker 1: But okay, so you battle them now you're just doing
Speaker 1: it on the block. You just you're just been as
Speaker 1: a hobby. Yeah, pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. So how
Speaker 1: is it that you get to to where you become
Speaker 1: big daddy kids? There is there is there a persona
Speaker 1: before Big Daddy Cane. Did you have another name where
Speaker 1: you did you like? But I'm certain that you went
Speaker 1: through a couple of days maybe well before Big Daddy Kane.
Speaker 1: It was just mc kane. Yeah, just mc cane kid.
Speaker 1: All right. So now look I'm speaking to my good
Speaker 1: brother Fat Joe today. So Fat Joe calls me and
Speaker 1: I'm mad Hike. He's like, yo, I said, yo, I
Speaker 1: got Cane on today. So he said, bud Wise is
Speaker 1: super fast? What class? He said, He's mad? Did I
Speaker 1: asked you this question? Bud Wise a super fast? Biggie
Speaker 1: and Tupac actually came out the only time that people
Speaker 1: the footage of Biggie and Tupac's got a famous record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually no, Foreman Brooklyn, that were that one. You know,
Speaker 1: if Fat Joe told me that they were they, that
Speaker 1: wasn't even they set they were coming out with Cane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Joe was next up to rhyme when they
Speaker 1: gave me to wrap it up, like you got five minutes.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't able to even bring Joe on. But
Speaker 1: Joe standing with didn't the Mike Verniet. You know, Joe
Speaker 1: still me to wrap it up. Joe still was like, man,
Speaker 1: if I would have condo say, he said, day norry,
Speaker 1: but he still sat lot had five more minutes, he
Speaker 1: would have been on there. You know what, man. Let
Speaker 1: know the first time you met jay Z. The first
Speaker 1: time I met jay Z, um it was back and
Speaker 1: I want to say eighty eight maybe UM there was
Speaker 1: you know, they was like um in the early eighties,
Speaker 1: mid eighties, like you know my name was popping in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn for battling people. But there was one dude whose
Speaker 1: name was bigger than mine. Um, this guy named Jazz. Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: like he was more popping. And then to top it off,
Speaker 1: to make matters worse, um dude around the corner from
Speaker 1: me on Fresh Gordon that had a Gordie Groove record.
Speaker 1: Fresh Gordon did a mixtape with Jazz and I lived
Speaker 1: around the corner for him. So I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a Massy Cat when I'm right here
Speaker 1: from Green or No no, no, no, no, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: from louis A two blocks from Rose of our projects
Speaker 1: in that side. Um, so I'm like, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the Marc Cat instead of do right around
Speaker 1: the corner. So now I'm really pissed. I'm like, me
Speaker 1: and this Jazz dude go after the battle. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have the battle. So about wine, Sophia, none of that
Speaker 1: out at this time. No, no, no, no no, this
Speaker 1: is like this is one of us had deals. Neither
Speaker 1: one of us had deals, and it just never happened.
Speaker 1: Like I tried to, you know, find the jazz we
Speaker 1: it never happened. Then here I am what I do,
Speaker 1: have records out, and I get a call from the
Speaker 1: Shirt Kings and yeah, and they say, yo, we want
Speaker 1: you to do a mixtape at Gordion Crib with Jazz.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, if it's a battle, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm making records now, but that's that ship still was
Speaker 1: eating me up, you know. So you say it, you
Speaker 1: say it. Back then, battling was like more important to
Speaker 1: even getting on the record with a person, like actually
Speaker 1: battling the m c well, I mean, you know that
Speaker 1: basically the record person was was great too, but like
Speaker 1: I said, this was something personal, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: I love Jazz now kind of respect for you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean, yeah, this was something personal there, you know.
Speaker 1: So it was like, yeah, we can do it if
Speaker 1: we battle. And then when I get there on Grody Crib,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like na, na, na listen or you know,
Speaker 1: Jazz ain't with I mind no more. So we just
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, like do something. I maybe y'all
Speaker 1: do something together, you know what I'm saying, Where he
Speaker 1: can you know, really shine and whatnot. You know, we
Speaker 1: you know, get the prop a new deal. So I
Speaker 1: was like alright, cool, okay, And then Jazz asked me, yo,
Speaker 1: can my man rhyme on it? Right? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care. This is so we did
Speaker 1: to join me Jazz and jay Z. And then afterwards
Speaker 1: do from the shirt king He was like, yo, um,
Speaker 1: you think maybe you can take Jazz up to Coach
Speaker 1: Chilling and maybe try to get him with deal, you
Speaker 1: know something red label for young boys continue. So I
Speaker 1: told I told him, you know, I mean to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I kind of like the skinny Lights
Speaker 1: skin nigger better, you know, coking about jay Z, about
Speaker 1: jay Z and um, you know, from that point, you know,
Speaker 1: me and Jay got hooked up, and like I was trying,
Speaker 1: you know, I tried my artist, you know, to get him.
Speaker 1: Um um, you know, a deal with several different labels.
Speaker 1: You know, just things just didn't work out. But Lucky
Speaker 1: do smart enough to you know, figure out the way
Speaker 1: to do it on his own. You know. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: when you just inter Jack for one second, Daddy Kane
Speaker 1: is the first guest that came with their own cork school. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: some classy guy. Mann. You wouldn't expect anything, you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't need to listen. Listen, in my mind, who
Speaker 1: was gonna drink domp perryon? So I still got two
Speaker 1: bottles of dog perry On just in case you want
Speaker 1: to be in this what is? What is? What is? Um?
Speaker 1: I'll get back to the jay Z thing later. But okay,
Speaker 1: you wrote the Vaporist correct for BIS Marketing. Okay, come on, guys,
Speaker 1: we need everybody to shut the hell out please. So look,
Speaker 1: this is prior to you having your own records, is it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's how I heard. I heard that. That's how
Speaker 1: you kind of got on, like you was writing for
Speaker 1: BIZ and rock Shan Shawnta. But what's been like the
Speaker 1: first record that you wrote for that blew up? Was
Speaker 1: it the vapors Uh? You got the Vaporist? Um? It was?
Speaker 1: It was now the first with some of um some
Speaker 1: of nobody beats the BIS. This came to me, you know,
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, yeah, I got this. UM.
Speaker 1: He told me doing the thing like using the Wiz
Speaker 1: song and he got this floating like he wanted because
Speaker 1: they you know, he was like, you know, let it
Speaker 1: flow like that and you know, just put something together.
Speaker 1: So that that was the first you knew that you
Speaker 1: knew you could think like somebody else, like that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. That was pretty much around this most of
Speaker 1: the time. Like you already Juice cres No, no, no, Bis.
Speaker 1: You know he was Juice Crue but not me, you know.
Speaker 1: So how did you meet this? I met bis um
Speaker 1: through to a cat in Long Island. Um, it's the
Speaker 1: Long Island named Wayne. Was dating my cousin Nikki. And
Speaker 1: whenever you'd be around, he'd always be telling me about
Speaker 1: this dude named Bis Markey d Biss Markey, d is
Speaker 1: bis market d that you know. So I just such
Speaker 1: a sun. So one day he came because my grandmother
Speaker 1: lived right across the street from now Be Square more
Speaker 1: so my first golfront for Square More throw that out there,
Speaker 1: all right, it's up in the basement. A bunch of
Speaker 1: took me there were out on my people from Fabrica.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, you gotta
Speaker 1: gotta mention that. I gotta do that. Yeah, But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know this time, you know, he's like, yo, my
Speaker 1: man business in the mall. You know, he was just
Speaker 1: beat boxing two and all this and stuff. I'm not
Speaker 1: hearing them all right now, let me meet him. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to understand something. After the day
Speaker 1: when I eat his ass sucks. From now on, you
Speaker 1: go to this BIS market, d dude, you tell him
Speaker 1: about mc king. So we went over there. I asked business.
Speaker 1: Battle were battled, and after the battle, Bisiness like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you're dope, man, you should get down with me. Um.
Speaker 1: If you get down with me, I promise you, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make a record one day. Man, business big
Speaker 1: as this time or he's just no matter of fact.
Speaker 1: This wasn't even down to use two then. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was actually just rocking with the Mike and Dave Cats
Speaker 1: doing parties and like all of them b X and
Speaker 1: Long Island. Yeah wow. So now let's let's take me
Speaker 1: in the mind frame the Vaporists. Did somebody shoot on you?
Speaker 1: You wanted to just get them back in the music.
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do that. Oh that was big
Speaker 1: out there. The whole thing is bigs out there. Like
Speaker 1: bis was like him in mind like when you were right.
Speaker 1: He came with this, told me, yo, remember you were
Speaker 1: telling me that story about you, you know, your family
Speaker 1: member whoop, you should write about that, you know, And
Speaker 1: he was like um and talked to um. Cool v
Speaker 1: talked to Swan, you know, like like you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just talk with them and you know
Speaker 1: they told me different stories about you know, cast and
Speaker 1: try to play them. They've been sweating them down, you know.
Speaker 1: So who came up with the actual word vapist bitch like?
Speaker 1: And it came up one day in the Alba Square
Speaker 1: moll y'all could play bills in the movie right, keep
Speaker 1: it real? No, I wouldn't do that. I was like, yeo,
Speaker 1: I played this. I don't know, but real talk doing
Speaker 1: another note though, I think that you are a hell
Speaker 1: of an actor. No real talk. They did a great
Speaker 1: jobs and plays. Go now what is now? What is this?
Speaker 1: What the kind of red one is this? If it's
Speaker 1: described it's sexy ship, it's called clear, it's a Spanish
Speaker 1: red um, it's it's um. I believe seventy monestrail which
Speaker 1: is Spanish grade and seventy Spanish Sophistish cable. Have you
Speaker 1: got we got something? So? All right, you guys, you
Speaker 1: write the vaporus the song blows up. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question before I go into depth with that.
Speaker 1: How come business looked at like a real m c
Speaker 1: and Drake isn't I don't know. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, here's my thing, which I've always tried to explain.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, once you cross that line, you
Speaker 1: signed that paper, you know, you cross that line. What
Speaker 1: you mean, well, I mean it's like you know, on
Speaker 1: the street, you and MC. But once you sign that
Speaker 1: are making records, you're an artist. You know, it's really
Speaker 1: where you want to go with it, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean with me, I've always tried to walk to fine
Speaker 1: line and do a little bit of both. As an artist.
Speaker 1: I try to make music for men and women, you know,
Speaker 1: touch on b and keep the neighborhood ship as well,
Speaker 1: but also spit battle cats and do real m c ship.
Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to walk the fine line.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like for someone like big business and
Speaker 1: artists who makes, you know, some of the most funniest
Speaker 1: records that make you enjoy life, you know. So I
Speaker 1: mean with Drake Um doing this, you know the same thing.
Speaker 1: And if he does have cats righting for him, I
Speaker 1: have I have no problem with that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that makes him a great artist because I
Speaker 1: don't look at best no less than an artist. I
Speaker 1: don't look at uh Easy Easy actually said on the record,
Speaker 1: he said, um ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say,
Speaker 1: and for some reason it didn't bother me. But I
Speaker 1: found I was even a dope wound puffle. I don't
Speaker 1: rhys write. So how come these people don't tick off
Speaker 1: the average fan but Drake does? You think it's because
Speaker 1: Drake is so high at the level, like you, you
Speaker 1: you got the experience to be that the only guy
Speaker 1: at one point? Do you think that's the reason why
Speaker 1: Drake receiven so much because probably could see a sex semple.
Speaker 1: He was a sex of too. That's my point. You
Speaker 1: know what they don't want the dude can imagine you.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna chick down, You're not gonna beat friends
Speaker 1: too long. You made it hard from out there people down.
Speaker 1: But then this ever say like I'm the l s MC.
Speaker 1: Did he ever like, was that ever his his thing
Speaker 1: that he put out there? No? I mean he may
Speaker 1: have said it like you know rhyme and you know
Speaker 1: if the don't you know, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think that might be the difference between a
Speaker 1: dude that considers himself an em C, a battle MC
Speaker 1: versus and just being a good overall artist. Some of
Speaker 1: them are gonna put themselves out there that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have a lot of cats out here that's making
Speaker 1: amazing music that I think are great artists. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that they should be looked
Speaker 1: down upon because you know, they have writers. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, if that's your thing, then I don't
Speaker 1: think that you should be considering yourself. You know, a
Speaker 1: real m c you don't take the time of rapper.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing wrong with that, you know. That's well, that's
Speaker 1: well okay, so now you get to talk about the papers.
Speaker 1: So now okay, so after the Vapors come out, right,
Speaker 1: are people checking for you now because they know you? Like,
Speaker 1: is it is it? Is it worth of mouth that
Speaker 1: they know you woke this record? So is that like
Speaker 1: not really? I mean, um, I think that down the
Speaker 1: line people you know, uh, you know found out that
Speaker 1: I was writing you know, um for Bis and some
Speaker 1: of the stuff for Shanta. You know that came like
Speaker 1: um down the line um, and those records took off
Speaker 1: immediately when they came out. Yeah yeah, vapers, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they take started off. Come on, one of your old niggers,
Speaker 1: tell me, can you feel it. We were in the mall,
Speaker 1: walking around the mall, this here bad ship live and
Speaker 1: trying to you know, get that for a long time school.
Speaker 1: Yeah and big you're not chilly business. He behind her,
Speaker 1: just walking around, just just making up stuff like you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, like like Superman, Joe Olvers, scrapers. This
Speaker 1: girl here she caught the Faithors. He just kept saying
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I'm gonna, what the hell is
Speaker 1: you talking about? She caught the Faithors? She I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's when he started in then taking
Speaker 1: feeling nothing can save you because this is the season.
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go through some
Speaker 1: Kane wins today. God damn it. So now all right,
Speaker 1: So when was the actual move where you actually felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm making progress to getting on, like because you said
Speaker 1: you just said that people didn't really take notice that
Speaker 1: you're writing the record. It was it all? Let me
Speaker 1: see what was oh? Um, it began when Nobody beats
Speaker 1: the BIS, which was for the Vapors. Actually um the
Speaker 1: data BIS brought to beat. He was going on, I
Speaker 1: think to another record store to get the Steve Miller
Speaker 1: Band part for um. So he asked me to what
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I gotta test today, man, I
Speaker 1: can't you know your right right now? You know. So
Speaker 1: he went on and walking to the store and I
Speaker 1: went to school. But after school I took the train
Speaker 1: to Marley Faib and Queens and when I got a story,
Speaker 1: a story, yeah, he's blowing up. Yeah. When I got there,
Speaker 1: BIS wasn't there yet. So you know, with Molly, he
Speaker 1: like cracked the door with the chain on it, and
Speaker 1: you know, your bin't here. I'm like, while calling me
Speaker 1: to man, he's like here, I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 1: wrote the train all the way from Brooklyn. Did you
Speaker 1: know who Morley Mark was at the time on Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I've been there before with the chicks because but he
Speaker 1: was like, your business here, I don't know to tell
Speaker 1: you money, no doubt. I'm like these rhymes he supposed
Speaker 1: to say today, just let him know. I came through.
Speaker 1: Then he was like, you're writing big stuff like I
Speaker 1: wrote that, you know. He talked the chain off and
Speaker 1: was like you know, you know how this go, you know,
Speaker 1: And I was like spitting a little bit up. He
Speaker 1: was like I think I think he asked me, did
Speaker 1: I write and make the music? I was like nah,
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, come on in, come
Speaker 1: on in, and invited me in. And then like you
Speaker 1: asked me, do I rhyme? I'm thinking I spit something
Speaker 1: for him and he was like, Yo, let's work on something. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the first work that you worked on. I'll take
Speaker 1: you there, I'll take you there. Yeah, yeah, got there.
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Speaker 1: this is um no when nobody beats to came out,
Speaker 1: I want to say eighty seven, though I want to
Speaker 1: say eighty seven, so it's not even the height yet
Speaker 1: of Juice Crew, like what they was doing. I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty much because you know what
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about the time of this is
Speaker 1: during um Rock Sands Revenge the Bridge in so Demo,
Speaker 1: you know. So now, okay, so you make that record
Speaker 1: with Molly, Now when what is the first record that
Speaker 1: you felt like, wow, I kind of made it a
Speaker 1: w here to bring Trump. Come on, come on, we
Speaker 1: talk about your baby. Let's go. I know old Ka Lyris,
Speaker 1: Let's go, baby, want a battle? We got let battle
Speaker 1: right now. I know I'm gonna win. So row Let's
Speaker 1: take me. Take me to that time frame. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean it's eighty seven, I'm fresh off the drink with
Speaker 1: Bids that I'm just finding with Bids shares y'all to
Speaker 1: what club is popping them, I'm like, uh no, Quarters,
Speaker 1: roof Tie Squad. Yeah, I mean it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we just fresh off that, just rhyding with bibs, were like,
Speaker 1: you know, I got a song out and you know
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that, you know, oh yeah, it's on now
Speaker 1: because I got this just rhyming with Biss joint with BIS.
Speaker 1: But since BIS started the song off everybody thought it
Speaker 1: was BIS record, so promoters his booking bids like, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll probably bring new dude with him. So I got
Speaker 1: a song that they're playing on the Rappattack and on Alert,
Speaker 1: but nobody's booking me. I'm home. Broke his hell, you know,
Speaker 1: like I needed listen to my joint on the video
Speaker 1: and then go walk their team blocks to go steal
Speaker 1: Mrs pol Fish sticks because I ain't got nothing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's how it was. And
Speaker 1: I'm begging fly Tie, you know rand Coach on records.
Speaker 1: Can I do a song by myself? Can I just
Speaker 1: do something with just me? He like, it's not time.
Speaker 1: You need to let this record marinade for a while.
Speaker 1: You do. Then finally, I guess he gets tired of
Speaker 1: me getting on his nerves and I went in like
Speaker 1: Morley was. I was like, yeah, um, my man just
Speaker 1: gave me to see him this Bobby Bird joint and
Speaker 1: I found these Bobby Bird I was about to say, okay,
Speaker 1: that's to all the drums. I'm like, yeah, my man
Speaker 1: just gave me to see a Bobby Bird joint and
Speaker 1: I found these here crazy horns from off the Black
Speaker 1: season soundtrack, you know, and you know we we put
Speaker 1: the joint together and that was that. Yeah, oh I
Speaker 1: get my notes. They don't want to make great. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make great right now, you got me
Speaker 1: like the goose bumps and all that. This is real
Speaker 1: ship man all right. So so not a juice crew
Speaker 1: because we just you just touched on the juice crew
Speaker 1: like me, right now, let's get even deeper. That's symphony session.
Speaker 1: How did that? Like? How did that go down? There
Speaker 1: was um the night I did raw. I took G
Speaker 1: after the studio with me and how did know rap?
Speaker 1: I just can't say just juico. I just met through
Speaker 1: juic school because it was like the well shure I
Speaker 1: believe you may have had demo, yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: like we was the two Yeah, we were the two
Speaker 1: lyrical dudes and the crew waiting to get our shine
Speaker 1: because everybody else was popping accept us you did, so
Speaker 1: we're waiting to really get our shine. Ain't looking at
Speaker 1: you like the two lyrical dudes? Is that's the way
Speaker 1: y'all being looked at the time? Also that record correct
Speaker 1: G and master as correct. Okay, So it's like you know,
Speaker 1: when I had did raw, Molly brought the beat back
Speaker 1: and me and G just did a little free style
Speaker 1: off of it and Molly played it and a lot
Speaker 1: of people was demanded like Yo played the Royal version
Speaker 1: with Kane n G on it, you know, So Molly
Speaker 1: was wait time out, Sorry you said it was just
Speaker 1: first you and G on symphony. Yeah, well, because like
Speaker 1: basically we round the off off the beat together and
Speaker 1: Molly played it after Roll came out, so people were
Speaker 1: requesting it thinking it was a remix. Molly played it
Speaker 1: for a while, but then he stashed it and was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: look I need you and to do the same thing
Speaker 1: but for my album. So it's really just be a
Speaker 1: song with me and J. Then eventually, I guess when
Speaker 1: Marley is making the track of something, Craig heard it
Speaker 1: and I guess told Marty he wanted in, and Marlly
Speaker 1: came to me and I was like, you know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I like that duck ller
Speaker 1: ship and you know, yeah, Craig my due. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So then it was me, G and Craig. But then
Speaker 1: the day we was filming the pictures for molly album cover,
Speaker 1: after we got through, we went to morlly crib right
Speaker 1: after the photo session, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is my new artist, Master Ace, and um, you
Speaker 1: know what we wanted. Yeah yeah, He's like, you want
Speaker 1: to put him on the song. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: looking at Ace, you know, I mean, I love Ace,
Speaker 1: but like Aces with these big glasses. Right, So me
Speaker 1: and g like we're sitting there like he wasn't convinced, yo, Like, dude, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, let's let's say we're gonna get some
Speaker 1: pizza and get the fun up out of that was
Speaker 1: the plan. But I guess we took you long, and
Speaker 1: a got a chance to start spitting. And when he
Speaker 1: killed it, he said its verse. You know, I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: Glass is kind of nice, man, like I'm kind of feeling.
Speaker 1: So then then um, afterwards, um, Craig spit his verse,
Speaker 1: you know, and then g came over and you know,
Speaker 1: we were that that g rap list. You know, Glasses
Speaker 1: first made me a little bit done, un crazed, you know,
Speaker 1: so it was like, you know, we was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we were messing with dude. We we we we didn't due. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do this. So we did it. And then but
Speaker 1: then g rap went and he said like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. This is like, maybe you can
Speaker 1: tell me. It's just like a queen's thing, because like
Speaker 1: he had like about a hundred and fifty bars. Man,
Speaker 1: this was yeah, you know, and dude ran the real
Speaker 1: or no, I'm serious, I'm gonna he ran the real
Speaker 1: or so I'm like, so I'm not going there, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you had to cut his rhyme. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just so I can even flip my verse
Speaker 1: on what was the problem with you rock him? What?
Speaker 1: What was it was? It was a you know, honestly
Speaker 1: to this day, I would love to know, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I never I never had a
Speaker 1: problem you know with Rock Kim And you know, me
Speaker 1: and Eric B was like this. You know, when I
Speaker 1: bought my first house, Eric B had a set of
Speaker 1: keys um before I did because I was in l
Speaker 1: A filming something. You know. So, I mean me and
Speaker 1: Eric was cool. Um. I guess the type of thing
Speaker 1: where people just wanted to know who was better, so
Speaker 1: they would push to try to get to compare. You
Speaker 1: got styles together, like because y'all go flaid back and lyrical.
Speaker 1: I think it's really a lyrical thing. Like I think
Speaker 1: Kane is lyrical. I think rides lyrical. But who's better?
Speaker 1: You know that type of thing, you know, a competitive
Speaker 1: thing you know which is which to me is hip hop?
Speaker 1: You know, so you know I can understand and wanting
Speaker 1: to see that. Do you do you do you when
Speaker 1: you see like meat mal And and Drake going at it?
Speaker 1: What do you say? What do you think of things
Speaker 1: like that? I mean, I mean, it's my thing is
Speaker 1: like this said. You keep it on record, it's hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know, you take it off record now you turn
Speaker 1: it into a contact sport. You know, Um, they can't
Speaker 1: never have to slay somebody on the mic. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to slay King. Let's let's throw it out
Speaker 1: there on the micro or of the mic the mic, baby,
Speaker 1: come on, well, Sime of the context. I battled, you
Speaker 1: know that was my thing battling. So I mean there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of rappers out battle. I mean, is
Speaker 1: that your question? You asking me like like somebody know
Speaker 1: I'm talking my own wax? Who did you slow? Oh
Speaker 1: Na not? No, I never had you did? You did
Speaker 1: not have time for that? Nobody wanted me, I mean
Speaker 1: nobody wanted it. So now now now the slick rick thing.
Speaker 1: Who broke this up? Was this APM D? Who was
Speaker 1: it it was? I think it was was ep MD
Speaker 1: or jermainely Free. It was one of them. They said,
Speaker 1: slick of the bus thing, Yeah, the bus that y'all
Speaker 1: have beef and slicker pull out a gunna trying to
Speaker 1: shoot you. Is this truth? I would saying, yeah, my
Speaker 1: arrows man, So I got I just gotta acted straight up.
Speaker 1: It made me a little truth. But how did y'all listen?
Speaker 1: This is a crazy thing. Listen right right now. If
Speaker 1: a little um, you know, Curly had and uncle such
Speaker 1: as such, half beef, we all know about it. But
Speaker 1: back then we didn't have Instagram, we didn't have Twitter,
Speaker 1: so it was an all word of mouth. So when
Speaker 1: I'm hearing this and and I forget who called me,
Speaker 1: and it was like, man, yeah, it's it's an EPND episode.
Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, you missed a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of things like and I was like word, and I
Speaker 1: had never I had never knew that. I had never
Speaker 1: heard you go ask liquick, nobody that, nobody. Just keep
Speaker 1: it clear. So back in the days, y'all have BEEP,
Speaker 1: but it was not on the record. Yea, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was some little mile stuff, you know, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was more or less. I guess about the tour issue
Speaker 1: about the tour, the l Nitro tour, you know that
Speaker 1: was No, it's nothing because it's you know what was
Speaker 1: the problem over? Who was the problem over? Like um
Speaker 1: the problems over the same thing um that epm D
Speaker 1: was talking about when when y'all had him here about
Speaker 1: the order of the show. Oh yeah, because he was down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I'll tell you something about king. I know
Speaker 1: I'm telling the subject. But nikkas don't want to go
Speaker 1: on at the kids side. Nikkas don't want to come
Speaker 1: on at that ain't no half step, but I mean
Speaker 1: they don't want to come on and all. Honestly, let's
Speaker 1: just say this, yere slick Rick had an amazing show
Speaker 1: and also he had the club bands, Mona, Lisa, Children's Stories.
Speaker 1: He had an amazing show and E P m D.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like the energy they brought on
Speaker 1: stage was phenomenal, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: like these dudes just had like crazy energy, you know
Speaker 1: what I said For them to like not be doing
Speaker 1: a lot of movement, you know, they had they both
Speaker 1: the coming to town from school show. He's turning around,
Speaker 1: You're hit You're doing all like, hey, you give him
Speaker 1: a y'all. No, no, no, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I came from a different perspective. I think
Speaker 1: me and you had this conversation over in London before,
Speaker 1: Like I was saying, like, um, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, Dougie Fresh came to one of
Speaker 1: my shows and you know, he saw me perform and
Speaker 1: like we smashed it. This is at the World down
Speaker 1: to downtown. Were just showing Douggie saw me smash it,
Speaker 1: And I'm asking him what you think? You know, doug
Speaker 1: is you know he's you know, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're no revils, Like you know what you know? I thought,
Speaker 1: did you hut up? And you know yeah, But I
Speaker 1: mean now, but it's like after I know I just
Speaker 1: rocked it, I'm in my mind, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: old school ass nigga just hate it. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: what's up. That that's what's up. But then he it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: won't you come by the crib, you know, let me
Speaker 1: show you something. So we go by, you know, his
Speaker 1: crib and he pulled out these on and back. I
Speaker 1: think might have been Beta Max. I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: what he was rocking then, but videos of earth Wind
Speaker 1: and Fire, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd. You know, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's showed me what he studied and explaining how he
Speaker 1: you know, transformed that into hip hop, you know, to
Speaker 1: make him work at a hip hop show. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: m So that next morning I woke up and brought
Speaker 1: me uh James Brown video, Marvin Gaye uh, and Barby White.
Speaker 1: Those are the first three up. I think this is
Speaker 1: before VHS and you know, um yeah, and I start,
Speaker 1: you know, um studying them and figuring out different things
Speaker 1: to do on stage. So you see, my mindset wasn't
Speaker 1: about how to make the dope hip hop show. My
Speaker 1: mindset was about how to make a dope show and
Speaker 1: make hip hop accepted. Um, I got I got another
Speaker 1: question to ask? Who's flat top? Would and eighty nine
Speaker 1: come on? Come on board? Okay, okay, you know, let
Speaker 1: me take you so how much used to pay your barber?
Speaker 1: Because he had your ship? Right? Your ship was? It was?
Speaker 1: It was? It was how you calling this spatness perfecto? Well,
Speaker 1: you know it was like, you know, I had a barber.
Speaker 1: But then also school was nice with the clippers too,
Speaker 1: So before we go on stage, I can always get
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean. Then you had
Speaker 1: to you have a flattop back then come on, man,
Speaker 1: I had a flattop, but she didn't come out. I
Speaker 1: was like my she was not like hand my ship
Speaker 1: go through. I think I invented the gun because my
Speaker 1: barber was just so fun up. You had had a
Speaker 1: gun too. I had that I had. I had a
Speaker 1: qual mape over that everything. I was a very hip
Speaker 1: hootka you know. So you think you put back it
Speaker 1: down a little flats out. I think, um, I think
Speaker 1: I may have made it popular by talking about it,
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean it was something that, um
Speaker 1: that I asked for from seeing Larry Blackman from Cameo.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't the first to have it, you know,
Speaker 1: and Kid from Kid and Play his joint was always
Speaker 1: bad my ultimate, you know. But I think it was
Speaker 1: just a matter of me always talking about it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like really putting a brand to it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. No, but you were like
Speaker 1: the hood. Uh let me, let me say this. You
Speaker 1: were like the hood, like you represented the hood. Like
Speaker 1: when you were doing it right, people from the Hood
Speaker 1: followed what you did. So that's what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: that the Hood controls the world. So we didn't we
Speaker 1: didn't see the flats out from Cameo. Do you think
Speaker 1: you don't? You don't think you just for the generation
Speaker 1: you're talking about, for that generation, Yeah, I didn't watch
Speaker 1: Cameo on them. It's like not really like that. They
Speaker 1: you y'all was my camp. I got you, you know.
Speaker 1: So now, when was your experience like working with Cold
Speaker 1: Chilling in those days? The Cold Chilling was like it
Speaker 1: was damn there, like depth like Death Row or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like you guys was like the first like hood label
Speaker 1: that it was. It was ran by the Hood people.
Speaker 1: So how was that experience? I mean it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Deaf Jam without a doubt is
Speaker 1: um you know, like probably the greatest hip hop label ever.
Speaker 1: But Cold Chilling was unique because the artist was a crew,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. Definitely, I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of pop artists. Cold Chilling had the Juice crew. The
Speaker 1: artists were a crew. You see what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it operated that way and with each one giving off.
Speaker 1: You know, they're different, you know, forms of artistry. Dog
Speaker 1: like um. You know you had me on the lyrical
Speaker 1: stuff and the smooth players stuff, had g rap on
Speaker 1: the gangster stuff. This is on the comedies, Shante on
Speaker 1: the sassy mouth disrespecting every prose. You know, Shan is
Speaker 1: the wild child on the Wild Cowboy. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like that Craig g you know, the baby
Speaker 1: come up dude, you know, and only y'all was a
Speaker 1: single artists and then became the Juice creup correct as
Speaker 1: opposed to like Wu tang Wu tank was. Now we
Speaker 1: were brought in as a like you know, as a
Speaker 1: member of the Juice cool you know, because I mean
Speaker 1: you know this was you know, the juice creul is
Speaker 1: is you know, making a mistake. This is Mr the
Speaker 1: Magic Thing. You know. It wasn't Shan or Shante thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Molly or fly Ty thing. This is Mr
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Speaker 1: people like Shante Isn't will forever be you know, the
Speaker 1: Queen of the Juice Crew, the one she is the
Speaker 1: one who made it popular because she was wax school
Speaker 1: as sister Fastine. Okay, yeah, but yeah, she's want to
Speaker 1: put it on wax, you know what I'm saying, where
Speaker 1: we all could eat and make money off of it.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, like like really a
Speaker 1: rapid like she would make the Juice Crew blood. So
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Speaker 1: prior to Seante and a lot of people don't notice,
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Speaker 1: um Uh, Mellie mel waterbed keV. These are all members
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because this was Magic Crew, but David
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Speaker 1: You know, Seante started a whole new chapter of the
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Speaker 1: Me and Madonna never had sex. We just took never, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: We just took nude photos. That's what I think I remember. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: where this is going. So we visited in hospitals kids
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Speaker 1: with him, to sign autographs, and you know, these hospitals
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Speaker 1: they knew who Madonna was. They knew who calling me
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Speaker 1: they didn't really know exactly who I was, you know,
Speaker 1: because this was like you know, you know, upper class
Speaker 1: you know, white children, you know, and Madonna is sitting
Speaker 1: there like, you know, big daddy can't say how the
Speaker 1: big Daddy came. He's a famous rapper. Let me say, hey, no,
Speaker 1: and I'm liken my ship. You know, you know, like
Speaker 1: like yeah, that was one of the movements for me.
Speaker 1: Do you think pop? Clearly this is just killing. Can
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Speaker 1: when they fed the water it was champagne. Well I'm
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Speaker 1: It's your shot. I prefer wine, but I did drink champage. Okay,
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Speaker 1: no sugar, just in case I don't know it's the
Speaker 1: right way to sell that. So I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: you know, some people, we worry about their sugar level.
Speaker 1: This is it's a Chinese herb's we've been saying, and
Speaker 1: a lot of something else. If you take come on,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, you yes you do, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: This is a big daddy came. He'd been hyping all
Speaker 1: fucking week. Oh now we've been home, both been hype
Speaker 1: because you know, Kane, there's no outlet for us. You hold, hold,
Speaker 1: you get the size of these fu shocklas. Come on,
Speaker 1: we don't come on. We gotta gotta yeah. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: we go. There we go, there we go, there we go. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: get one. So still Cane. You know when we me
Speaker 1: and my partner we sat here and we said, you know,
Speaker 1: we had had a radio show prior to that, but
Speaker 1: on this radio show we were just playing around, just bullshit.
Speaker 1: But we just sat sat back and said, there isn't
Speaker 1: an outlet for our people are older statesmen, people who
Speaker 1: put it in this work, people who did what they
Speaker 1: had to do and to sit down and be saluted.
Speaker 1: So we want you to know that this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing tonight. Big Addie came. First off, you raised me.
Speaker 1: In case you didn't know it or not, you raised me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you raised half of these motherfucker's in their room.
Speaker 1: And if you didn't raise these guys in your room,
Speaker 1: their parents fuck to your music. And that's why they're
Speaker 1: here right now. So you raised them in differently and definitely,
Speaker 1: So I un directly, indirect indirectly, because I just want
Speaker 1: to say, big Daddy came, You should be saluted every
Speaker 1: day or the motherfucking yeah, you're a virgo. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into that later. It's a timer temp correct. That
Speaker 1: day should be big Daddy came, fucking holiday. Just do
Speaker 1: whatever the funk you want to do on that day.
Speaker 1: She'd be able to piss on your boss feet and
Speaker 1: just and just come to fucking work and just do
Speaker 1: whatever the funk you gotta do. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know this is how we do it oky,
Speaker 1: This is out of this tiger bone, this is drink chance,
Speaker 1: motherfucking ship. And this is how big Daddy came. Oh you,
Speaker 1: it's not good at all they got, but it's smooth,
Speaker 1: or it's smooth. Of course he would say, no can
Speaker 1: I'm growing up, I'm following you. I'm a kid. How
Speaker 1: do I become a smooth operator? You know? Lots of
Speaker 1: times I talked to the youth about their career, and
Speaker 1: it's like I always try to tell casts, you know that,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to give your fans you You
Speaker 1: cannot follow the trend, you know, because trends come and go.
Speaker 1: So when that trend is gone, you're gone because you
Speaker 1: was a part of it. There was nothing special about you.
Speaker 1: There was nothing special that made them. You know, try
Speaker 1: to dissocial dissociate you from whatever the hell else what's
Speaker 1: going on. You have to be somebody that you need,
Speaker 1: give them something original, something when they would they gravitate
Speaker 1: to what you do, what you represent? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's something I've always thought was important and
Speaker 1: in an artist, you know, I mean you you you
Speaker 1: got to give them something special, you know, And I
Speaker 1: mean all honestly, I feel like you've done that. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I don't think you know that you will
Speaker 1: cut out to be the smooth dude. You will cut
Speaker 1: out to be what you are, and you wear it well,
Speaker 1: wear it well. Thank you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Makes some lows to me, can't make some to me.
Speaker 1: You'll you'll twin you over here. You listen, you you wait,
Speaker 1: your twin, you come in. Look listen. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: was made up a big Daddy Kane record your average.
Speaker 1: This is how you got it. This is my man twin.
Speaker 1: He had a pace accident, but he's good not fail.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, sorry, damn big daddy kid. God, damn it,
Speaker 1: some loved kid. But he got us. He got us
Speaker 1: popping dog Verry on twin, He got us popping dog
Speaker 1: Verry Honest. Yeah, he come to the glass. And that's
Speaker 1: about it. You want to get one if you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep your move. It sounded about hold on, take a
Speaker 1: second shot, take a shot of advanced that. No, But seriously,
Speaker 1: I don't know who, like who really like to go
Speaker 1: to movies and like really focus on scenes that deep.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, when I was watching paydon Full,
Speaker 1: I'm watching a lot of the people that had little
Speaker 1: cameos and little spots in there, and I mean, like, yo,
Speaker 1: that scene with you, Yo, I mean you made it
Speaker 1: all up. Yeah, But the whole thing is that you
Speaker 1: stayed focused and you made your presence felt. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You didn't just fall back and just
Speaker 1: be a part of the script. You made your presence felt.
Speaker 1: You know, you came across from camera great man, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do love to see more ship like that. Man. Now,
Speaker 1: speaking to movies, you did the Posse movie, how was
Speaker 1: that experience, because that was like that was that was
Speaker 1: like when we knew we thought like Dan Kane never
Speaker 1: coming back because I was like, was also looking like
Speaker 1: her coming back like the I mean, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with you. It's like, you know, I enjoy doing it.
Speaker 1: It was the type of work that I wanted to
Speaker 1: do because I didn't want to be on the big
Speaker 1: screen being a rapper or being a thug because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't see me do that in a video,
Speaker 1: you know. You know, it's like that's the music life.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If we act and then
Speaker 1: let's act, saying, let me let me do something out
Speaker 1: of yourself. Are like, yeah, so having to you know,
Speaker 1: speaking you know, in a period voice and you know
Speaker 1: ride horses. You know, I mean I thought that that
Speaker 1: was beautiful and I mean I I enjoyed that opportunity
Speaker 1: big on much respects to Mario Van people forgiving me shot.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I tell you one
Speaker 1: thing though, that ship was a culture shock like never before.
Speaker 1: What you mean by that, I mean the set, the
Speaker 1: set life like you know, I mean, were you um
Speaker 1: okay whoa queen? Yeah? Yeah, so just like Brooklyn. You know,
Speaker 1: what we see on day to day basis is cat, rat,
Speaker 1: dog we come out of. That's wildlife for us. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, you see a cat
Speaker 1: and a dog in the daytime, the nighttime, you see
Speaker 1: the vest come out. That's what we see. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I will mention to the roaches. That's
Speaker 1: really you know the extent of brother. I'm out there
Speaker 1: nesting with tarantulas, scorpions. What y'a film is at Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 1: That's her movie and Tucson, Arizona. It's turrible. I get
Speaker 1: my head cut off a fucking I die. I'm the
Speaker 1: black guy back out blast like, yo, I'm timidus, I'm
Speaker 1: out of the movie. IM sorry, I can't. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's crazy with peckers snakes. Bro. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked you one time, like, yeah, I dude calling
Speaker 1: on my door every morning five am and my dumbass
Speaker 1: getting to open it up there and somebody knocked. Real talk,
Speaker 1: what pecker on schedule every morning? Real talk? No real talk.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Somebody asked me one time
Speaker 1: about you know, like yo, why you never make like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no gangster ship man. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I mean I used the films they took him out. No,
Speaker 1: they took me to gangster records. I never you know,
Speaker 1: I never did know, you know, gangster ship. You know.
Speaker 1: I mean I spit hard. It was not no, no,
Speaker 1: I hardcore but not gangster. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I explained to myself, well, for one reason, there's um p,
Speaker 1: a girl that worked on the policy set that pull
Speaker 1: my card real easy. And let anybody know, there ain't
Speaker 1: nothing that that should ain't true. Because when we was
Speaker 1: filming one day, we're coming off set. My dude, like
Speaker 1: the people they're over there, like telling us to go
Speaker 1: like this, to walk another way. They're whispering, and I can't.
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't have said what they're saying. This
Speaker 1: is going on for a few minutes. Long story short,
Speaker 1: I couldn't take it. The more. I'm just like, yo,
Speaker 1: what they said, rattler. So I just took flight, like
Speaker 1: now now listen, I'm running, but I'm a man, feeling mother,
Speaker 1: but I'm a man. I got here's where they got funking.
Speaker 1: The pie girl caught up with me and grabbed my
Speaker 1: vesh like you know, savor, and I mean, you know
Speaker 1: my dude, you know yo, I mean I remember being
Speaker 1: at a party in Brooklyn where I took a chicken
Speaker 1: through hunter speaker while they're shooting inside of the club
Speaker 1: and I'm standing out. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the gun that that stuff don't bother me.
Speaker 1: You know a different thing. She grabbed my ris. I
Speaker 1: started punching that shut up down. You know, said she's
Speaker 1: showing me down. So I started punching shut out of
Speaker 1: her hand. You don't get it, because so yeah, I
Speaker 1: make the gangs and stuff for we got now because
Speaker 1: we heard stories that you've been were like like like
Speaker 1: Supreme Magnetic, the UM supporter, Weekends, Brain from Brooklyn, that's
Speaker 1: my dude. Yeah, So we always heard those stories, so
Speaker 1: we always automatically thought it was it was just you.
Speaker 1: That's not he's saying. That's not never at all have
Speaker 1: the videos. I was convinced, can't you can't take it?
Speaker 1: Take it back now. I'm a nice guy. I'm a
Speaker 1: nice guy. You know, I'm a nice guy. To drink
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Speaker 1: not gonna lie. That's hard. I think we're gonna blow
Speaker 1: that picture up and put it right here in the store.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie put it in my house. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I said, you know, we interviewing Kane,
Speaker 1: Like fifty thousand just came through, and then it was
Speaker 1: like I was debating, and I was like, that's not Madonna.
Speaker 1: But I thought you and Madonna had did a separate
Speaker 1: photos shop. I didn't know Campbell's in it, not only Campbell?
Speaker 1: So how did you not get hard in the photo
Speaker 1: shoot like I would have got? You know, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you was it was he was already
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you know, it's like, you know, at
Speaker 1: a certain point in your life, you just get an
Speaker 1: understanding about certain things and you just, I guess to
Speaker 1: look at life differently because she got leg straight over
Speaker 1: the other one right now, all the professor ship like,
Speaker 1: holy molily, I'm just keeping it real, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna keep it real. I mean, it's like this.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a Madonna fan. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, borderline physical attraction, all them joints. You know.
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, rocking and watching the videos on
Speaker 1: Friday night videos, you know. And she's a very attractive
Speaker 1: young lady, you know. And you know your Naomi Campbell,
Speaker 1: you know she's fine too. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: at certain point in your life, after you don't did
Speaker 1: so much, you know, and you know, you know, your
Speaker 1: mentality get a certain way. You know, sometimes you just
Speaker 1: come to the realization that you know, the best pussy
Speaker 1: you ever had is the pussy you never had, And
Speaker 1: it's so much more fun just thinking about it. That's
Speaker 1: that's ship. He gave me another season just now that
Speaker 1: it was so over my head and sharp d you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, let me bring it down to you.
Speaker 1: Have you ever in your life bag the fine check
Speaker 1: that was? I mean, built amazing, got it back to
Speaker 1: the hotel Dodo bird? Yeah, whack. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Just whack Dodo bird, you know, like giving you them
Speaker 1: crazy psychotic looks or or can't do doggy style or
Speaker 1: you know, just just just everything just going wrong. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You say, just don't ruin it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is that. But it's more
Speaker 1: exciting when you think I'm saying don't ruin it, but
Speaker 1: by trying to bag it. Oh yeah yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what's your illness? Groopie story? Can the abituate outside
Speaker 1: your door with milk? For some reason, I just feel
Speaker 1: like chickens outside you're doing inside like Poony Tang. You
Speaker 1: never seen that because Kane Cane he was that. I guess, my, my, my,
Speaker 1: illest one would probably be um um uh, let me see,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, probably the LLL tour, the same one the
Speaker 1: night to Dilick. Yeah, the Nitro tour. He gives out flowers, roses,
Speaker 1: the pitches. He's cheating. You know, I'm saying, if you
Speaker 1: ain't giving out roads, you're coming after that business like
Speaker 1: let the no, no, no, that's that's for your game.
Speaker 1: I mean that might have been what what what messed
Speaker 1: me up that night? Who knows? All right, just talk
Speaker 1: about the game. I mean no, because I mean it
Speaker 1: was like Russell Simmons actually introduced me to this check
Speaker 1: and you know, she was claim came back to the
Speaker 1: hotel and me and Russell and I think by some
Speaker 1: Andre Horrel, I believe it just about a bar and
Speaker 1: she came in and l L was over. They sign
Speaker 1: and autographs and she went to L. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: telling this story. Two listeners want to have to listen,
Speaker 1: and they all in this room. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Everybody unreleased it. Everybody. She went to L you know,
Speaker 1: not seeing them they're chopping it up or too late
Speaker 1: now and then they chopping it up and whatever, and
Speaker 1: like I see, like pitch her cheek or something like that,
Speaker 1: and then she walked over to the bar to me.
Speaker 1: Now my problem with that was my problem was that
Speaker 1: it's like this here, you sposed to come meet me
Speaker 1: at the room. So after L shot you down, you
Speaker 1: spoke to the elevator when you come to the bar.
Speaker 1: That lets me know that you saw me all this
Speaker 1: goddamn time. That's you know what I'm saying, and just
Speaker 1: just choosing in front of me, you know. Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's like all right, cool, So we get upstairs, you know,
Speaker 1: we get a popping and you know, I'm into what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and you know, I mean it turned into
Speaker 1: you know, one of the type of things where you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm shorty to get my r kelly on,
Speaker 1: you know, and let's go, let's go. I mean, it
Speaker 1: just felt good you had to go. I got a
Speaker 1: pee right now. So I don't know how you done
Speaker 1: about it. I think it's the only it's blazed for
Speaker 1: the hardy just makes a noise. I'm sorry she liked it,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's like, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was young man, I did a whole bunch of wild stuff, man,
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. No, you know, I mean like I mean
Speaker 1: disneyn situations where like several people, I had to go
Speaker 1: back and you know I had to it just felt
Speaker 1: just wanted to you, and I went back and I
Speaker 1: apologize for a lot of crazy stuff I did, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm I'm forty nine. Now I'm married,
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean I love my life, I
Speaker 1: love my family, and you know, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just look at things differently now that you know me.
Speaker 1: You know, back then, you know I was down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a little bligger. You was the man in
Speaker 1: eighty eight. I was born in seventy seven. That means
Speaker 1: like roughly like I was nine, unch him. I was
Speaker 1: gonna rop with me day. Yeah, I've seen you said,
Speaker 1: damn he had the four finger, Wayne, the fourth finger?
Speaker 1: How do you fingerpot with four finger? Back? An expensive?
Speaker 1: It was something good finger pop and was like like
Speaker 1: in style back then, like niggers didn't even want to
Speaker 1: he wanted to dry home and finger pot. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying because I was like ten, I don't know how
Speaker 1: old you do what? I was probably like thirteen. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Drane, how old were we? How old are we? Da?
Speaker 1: He was, You're only one year younger than me. Brother,
Speaker 1: you're like two years or forty two? Okay, two years? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 1: Oh I goddamn we little side track? What your butcher
Speaker 1: rockets calling me hold on? But was talking about finger happing,
Speaker 1: finger pop and still popping. Figure's a good poem. What
Speaker 1: no listen back in the day's composed to everything? Like
Speaker 1: I didn't have a new what you got? Who are
Speaker 1: you going with this? What I'm saying back in the days?
Speaker 1: This is like ninety seven, Like he used to go
Speaker 1: to the club and just he wants to finger pop
Speaker 1: fitch Like I never really got like like I get
Speaker 1: like in the moment, like I'm thinking about you write
Speaker 1: with what Like he would fingerpop in public, they'd be
Speaker 1: like peace and he's just been showing the whole night.
Speaker 1: It's when did he space? Like my god, like paulm
Speaker 1: staying away with me, I'm sorry a little finger pop
Speaker 1: it brings back so alright, damn I got notes. Can
Speaker 1: we go back to the Biggie Tupac coming out of
Speaker 1: the stage with you, your relationship with POC and big like,
Speaker 1: can you talk about that, like let's go pop first? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: well I've known Parks since he danced for Digital. Like
Speaker 1: that's how we first met, UM when I brought Digital
Speaker 1: on the road, Yeah, my Chocolate City tour, UM, and
Speaker 1: we got cooled in. He told me that, you know,
Speaker 1: he coming out with his own stuff as a solo artist,
Speaker 1: and he's he's let me. He told me, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be like this Digital stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: I've got a whole different direction. He spit for me,
Speaker 1: and you know, dude, dude was nice. UM. So I've
Speaker 1: known him since then. UM. Biggie, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: I never really had a relationship with We've been around
Speaker 1: each other, I think maybe like twice, UM. But there
Speaker 1: were several phone calls that we had, UM. I guess,
Speaker 1: like certain career decisions that he was making, and UM
Speaker 1: Mr C would call with him on the line, and
Speaker 1: you know, we chop it up and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: he teld me what's going on. I guess he's asked
Speaker 1: me what I think, you know, my view on it
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I've that's really relationship over the phone.
Speaker 1: We never really kicked it, you know, but I've always
Speaker 1: respected both of them, admired them as artists, and you know,
Speaker 1: just looked at their depths and sad losses for hip
Speaker 1: hop and the world during their when they were going
Speaker 1: you know the rivalry part. Did you speak to any
Speaker 1: of the park I spoke to I spoke to Pop,
Speaker 1: but it was brief and it was kind of interrupted,
Speaker 1: interrupted by more East Coast West coast drama because it
Speaker 1: was like a conversation we started on an airplane, and
Speaker 1: by time we got to death Row studio, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody presented him with some more drama about was trying
Speaker 1: to sign you wasn't death Row trying? Yeah? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was that time. This was that time. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: that time. You know, we was talking about it, and
Speaker 1: I guess I was trying to, you know, may him
Speaker 1: understand you know what it was, and they seemed like
Speaker 1: I was getting through. But then you know, as soon
Speaker 1: as we got to the studio, here comes Cats talking
Speaker 1: about Yo Mob Deep and um Lauren Hill was just
Speaker 1: on on I think MTV TV answer something that they
Speaker 1: was trying to play you. They were saying something to
Speaker 1: such and you know, they filled it up right back
Speaker 1: up a camp and you in that studio and yeah, wow, damn,
Speaker 1: can you got someone's goddamn history? We we definitely need
Speaker 1: a big daddy came day. All right, it's a timber. Tim,
Speaker 1: let's do it and we do declaring it on Drake Chaps. Right,
Speaker 1: it's Tim with Tim. There's a big daddy came there.
Speaker 1: You just gotta cut your eyebrows. Come outside. If you
Speaker 1: can pull out the hot top, do it. Put out
Speaker 1: the hot top. Gr barber gotta be nice, though, your
Speaker 1: barber gotta be nice because you can't have it, can
Speaker 1: I think I wat the flatsop right now on this
Speaker 1: all these kids are doing it. They ain't doing a
Speaker 1: a flat time, No, some of them are. I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't call it came over there. I guess who.
Speaker 1: I think it's a popular basketball player that they reference that.
Speaker 1: You now, I forget who. But but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: ok yeah, Okay. Kids ain't get yeah. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that's how we go coman. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: a picture in my house with my pops were one
Speaker 1: in the sixties, you know what I'm saying. And I thought,
Speaker 1: didn't Larry Blackman created it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So this this is this is our engineer cocaine has
Speaker 1: Just want to throw that out. Default in the eighties
Speaker 1: was cocaine heavy in the eighties, um in hip hop
Speaker 1: and hip hop specifically Studio fifty four we heard um.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember it being like, you know, heavy
Speaker 1: around the hood like in the early eighties. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: late seventies. Early I remember was like fly back there
Speaker 1: exactly like it was. It was a luxury drug. But
Speaker 1: I mean, like the first time I was like really
Speaker 1: around it, around it. It was in the nineties, Like
Speaker 1: I had a party and somebody was doing it at
Speaker 1: the party. You know, that was the first time I
Speaker 1: was really around it, around it. You know how they
Speaker 1: was doing it. There's at the party just whatever Nickel,
Speaker 1: why I sniffed them? Um. Now, they asked could they
Speaker 1: use on one of the bedrooms because he was having
Speaker 1: mansion parties and shipping or something like that. But I mean, people,
Speaker 1: you know, I told him, you know, go ahead. But
Speaker 1: then you know what happened was they switched rooms and
Speaker 1: went into the wrong wrong room. So when I came
Speaker 1: in there to tell him to leave out of this room,
Speaker 1: you know, I see they had they loots, you know,
Speaker 1: little on the dresser or whatever. You know. But I mean,
Speaker 1: but that was my first time like being around it
Speaker 1: like that, you know. So what's the best time in
Speaker 1: hip hops came? It was the most fun you ever had,
Speaker 1: Like you I mean, honestly, I feel like the finger
Speaker 1: pop got to be what we're saying, Like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, I think his fingers still smelling with st No.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, I mean my best time in hip
Speaker 1: hop was probably um mid to late eighties, you know, um,
Speaker 1: because you had, like, you know, so many different artists
Speaker 1: when nobody really sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same.
Speaker 1: Nobody sounded at least they did try to, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there was a couple of copper casts, but they
Speaker 1: just all got never working. And then when you go
Speaker 1: to a party, you know, the most stugged out dudes,
Speaker 1: you know, with dance when Gostets come on without a
Speaker 1: polls Top building. You know what I'm saying, Brooklyn's in
Speaker 1: the house when those type of songs came on, he
Speaker 1: damn top Yeah, shout understood, cold man. We did that
Speaker 1: on my album too with Milk d Yeah. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know, that's that's so It's like
Speaker 1: I just love that era of hip hop because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, prior to that was um uh you know
Speaker 1: the run dmc houdini, um Furious five, you know that
Speaker 1: guy era. But you know it's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that that era um was like like as lyrical as
Speaker 1: the late eighties. And don't get me wrong, Mellie mel Kumo,
Speaker 1: d Grandmaster Cast, those were lyrical peace, But I mean
Speaker 1: it was like it wasn't where like radio and fans
Speaker 1: like the hip hop fans that are, like it was
Speaker 1: really focused on the lyrics like that like they were
Speaker 1: in the late eighties, Like we're like, you know, you whack,
Speaker 1: We don't even want to listen to you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But how did those guys have set
Speaker 1: you back then? That was an interesting and she just
Speaker 1: broke up your name all the other legends who came
Speaker 1: before you, like uh, like right now we're dealing at
Speaker 1: the time that these young guys are the guys. They're
Speaker 1: all the guys. They are like they are the chosen
Speaker 1: ones for now. But they look they actually looked down
Speaker 1: on my generation, you know what I'm saying. So how
Speaker 1: was it for you when you was the guy? Was
Speaker 1: the people prior to you looking down on you guys
Speaker 1: in your opinion? Uh? Well, I mean, you know of
Speaker 1: Millie Mel. Yeah, yeah, Millie Mele was um in the beginning,
Speaker 1: but then we ended up becoming real cool ultimately. Mail
Speaker 1: just you see him again. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, with Mel, you gotta understand that
Speaker 1: and respect it because he feels like he kind of
Speaker 1: pioneered it. And I mean, it's not about him feeling
Speaker 1: that way he did, you know, I mean what Hollywood created,
Speaker 1: Mellie Mel perfected. You know what I'm saying. If there
Speaker 1: if there wasn't a Mellie Mel, Me, you and everybody
Speaker 1: else would have been on the mic. You know. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Nellie Mel perfected him seeing he
Speaker 1: made it what it is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He is the architect of m seeing Mellie Mel, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta understand for him to not really get his proper
Speaker 1: respect and if, of course he's gonna be better, So
Speaker 1: it's understandable. Melliel over here drink chance. That's a massive
Speaker 1: him and um, I think they hired Mellie Mel fum
Speaker 1: before they style and it was it was it was
Speaker 1: crazy for me to like to see him. He going
Speaker 1: he's still you know the does he still do that
Speaker 1: and destroys it like and he'll take it through do
Speaker 1: different generations. He was seeing other people recoring not forget
Speaker 1: that with them tight hants on He's still doing the
Speaker 1: leg cross and stuff and drop down on the floor.
Speaker 1: Hold that that's the Villa's thing, you know, Mel, Yeah, mil,
Speaker 1: you're not going to funk out. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: your mel you know, you know. But but like MOLDI
Speaker 1: I guess Mold thing was pretty much more personal with
Speaker 1: him and ll So with me and then met you know,
Speaker 1: we broke bread and we was cool. And with me
Speaker 1: and Grandmaster Cash, it was a type of thing where
Speaker 1: you know, I let Cass not that I'm a student
Speaker 1: to him, that everything I do lyrically I owe to him,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean enough recognition. Actually, he's so incredible,
Speaker 1: Like I mean when okay, yeah, and then go back
Speaker 1: to one of the first questions you asked me Tony T.
Speaker 1: When I was first started, my name was Tony T.
Speaker 1: Like I thought I was killing it. I had something
Speaker 1: like when I'm the t O n y the t
Speaker 1: e E your eyes can't see I know, the tricks,
Speaker 1: and I know the trades, and I'm shop as a
Speaker 1: motherfucking raised and played. I thought I was killing it.
Speaker 1: And then my man played this joint for me, and
Speaker 1: Cash is on there talking about Grand Master Cash, Captain
Speaker 1: of the four. Another nigga couldn't touch me. If he
Speaker 1: had a rhyme store, even if he had a plant
Speaker 1: manufacturing violence, he couldn't make him no better than I
Speaker 1: make mine. I'm like, you know what, I ripped my
Speaker 1: whole note book up and started my life over your
Speaker 1: dick for real? Hold on, what's that I gotta be?
Speaker 1: I'm out, I gotta I'm out for you right now.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. What the funk were
Speaker 1: y'all drinking in Brooklyn? Then y'all were spitting the cadence.
Speaker 1: The y'all were spitting like I'm in Miami. And now
Speaker 1: when we reflect back, y'all was doing double time ahead
Speaker 1: of that being the trend um. Well, that really started
Speaker 1: hal with mo Yeah, okay, that really started in Hallow
Speaker 1: with Moti with that I'm a super trooper but making money,
Speaker 1: but that I forgot how to rhyme go. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: really that death real fast started thinking little with Modi
Speaker 1: in in Hallow. Um. But I mean, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, in Brooklyn, I think that the
Speaker 1: whole cadence and everything that you hear from a lot
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn see speaking of myself, jay Z Biggie Fabulous.
Speaker 1: It's that it's that pep ship because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: just the way we we view stuff like um, like
Speaker 1: you like Master D having a party, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know Master D jamming. You know you're gonna get
Speaker 1: your you know, your V next sweater. You know, you
Speaker 1: know your double net V neck joint, your mock neck,
Speaker 1: the thorp under it, you know, some genes to the
Speaker 1: permanent crease and your British and you know you're British
Speaker 1: walker us and like you know, that was that players
Speaker 1: ship that we wore, like you know, like that's that's
Speaker 1: how we're coming to a party that's like a hip
Speaker 1: hop party, you know what I'm saying. So it was
Speaker 1: like that type of thing where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we looked up to the dudes that's talking ship in
Speaker 1: the barbershop or in the pool hall, the pimps on
Speaker 1: the corner, So that it was that type of slick
Speaker 1: lingo that we appreciate it and respect it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like it was like that type of lingo,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's what really defined a lot
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn m season, made them a lot different than other,
Speaker 1: you know, artists from different burrows. You know, now speak
Speaker 1: about that. I sent you a couple of players ball
Speaker 1: back then. What the were we doing in the players Ball?
Speaker 1: I thought I was a pain for a week. Now
Speaker 1: you're gonna tried to you don't tried to get me
Speaker 1: to admit to being a gangster. So how do you
Speaker 1: think this is gonna work out for you? I just good, no, good,
Speaker 1: Look we we did. We did see each other at
Speaker 1: the Players Balls Company and Georgia Company. Yeah. So like
Speaker 1: I was, King just connected to all these worlds, like
Speaker 1: in the most respectful way, Like you're just connected to
Speaker 1: the l ship. I mean, you know, I mean it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I move around. I'm I guess what you
Speaker 1: can call a soul searcher. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can, I can, I can, I can
Speaker 1: vibe off for energy, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I love positive energy. I love positive you know,
Speaker 1: positive energy might be in a room full of pimps
Speaker 1: with loud as suits on. But they in they're buying
Speaker 1: each other champagne, talking ship to each other, having a
Speaker 1: good time. You know, it might be that the situation,
Speaker 1: I agree, it might be a function that a bunch
Speaker 1: of women are having where they're talking about, um, how
Speaker 1: women can become leaders and have high positions and jaws
Speaker 1: and it's a bunch of black women just talking about that,
Speaker 1: trying to build something positive, you know. But I just
Speaker 1: I love positive energy, man, I love it. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna know I know exactly what you mean because
Speaker 1: I was never a pen but I took a liking
Speaker 1: to Juju. I took a liking the Pimmican. I took
Speaker 1: a like in a bishop. I took like in the
Speaker 1: all of them, and they took a liking to me.
Speaker 1: So they would invite me to these events and I
Speaker 1: would come. So one day I just actually I just
Speaker 1: actually tried to actually be in pump like. So I
Speaker 1: actually had my gold come and I went to his
Speaker 1: white girl said this choose, said, how to choose you?
Speaker 1: I said, oh, Ship, I didn't. I had no idea
Speaker 1: what to do. And then everybody on the nias. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the center to me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're lax, I know, se Joes, I'm not what to
Speaker 1: do something, absolutely nothing to do. I have to see
Speaker 1: your buck, you know, I would come on. I'm on
Speaker 1: the road. I'm doing fifty nights. You know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so my my, my pimp career didn't last your career, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't last a long time. I know because I
Speaker 1: used to go to the the players ball. They gave me
Speaker 1: the cup. They gave me the players call you have
Speaker 1: to be a real player. They get a players called
Speaker 1: did you have a players car with the gold? The
Speaker 1: gold players call the green days? Let us look at that.
Speaker 1: Look I ain't gonna one. Before they went to get
Speaker 1: my car back, I was like, yo, look I'm not
Speaker 1: really here. But they accepted me, so I expected the
Speaker 1: culture pim kan A lot of them dudes is cool dudes.
Speaker 1: Juju juju ye juju real real good dude man him man,
Speaker 1: good good game, game, good game. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's still down. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I think he's still there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know even met Kenny Red from Yeah, A
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of dudes. You know, they're real
Speaker 1: good dudes, man, you know, I mean, you know Bishop,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's my dude. You know, you got
Speaker 1: you know, funny as hell, you know. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, it was a time in
Speaker 1: my life where I had to really sit and reflect
Speaker 1: on something that he told me to. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, I mean it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: have the utmost respect for Bishop. So yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: but it was nothing like Kane pimpin or nothing. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll move on, I got, I got, Okay, no a
Speaker 1: right back in the days. This is before you met
Speaker 1: your wife, right, I heard just mastered the female cop
Speaker 1: at a concert? Is that true? Look in your limo?
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm saying. This is, this is, this is.
Speaker 1: This is people the internet that you was in a concert.
Speaker 1: Female pulled you over and you pulled over. That's a lie.
Speaker 1: That's never happening. It was at an autograph sign and
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Oh my god. Yo. So do you look
Speaker 1: at you do you look at your life? And like
Speaker 1: my Louis e p is is I want to title
Speaker 1: it my life though, do you ever look at your
Speaker 1: life and be like, yo, my life like the ship
Speaker 1: that you accomplished, like coming from nowhere and just say
Speaker 1: ship I did. It's just it's just dope. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm happy. I mean, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Um it's the final chapter. H that makes
Speaker 1: me happy, you know, because I mean it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I did a lot of crazy
Speaker 1: stuff and it was fun, you know for the moment,
Speaker 1: you know, but then after while, you know, like how
Speaker 1: we're saying the thing about it, you know, the best
Speaker 1: is the best? You know I never had, you know
Speaker 1: how we're saying that. I mean, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was fun for the moment, did they get boring?
Speaker 1: But now you know what I'm saying being able to
Speaker 1: wake up. You know, I gotta four year old to
Speaker 1: be having me on the floor playing with um um
Speaker 1: Transformer dolls and transforming steal cake my four year old
Speaker 1: joints they got transformed. Still it was dry. I not
Speaker 1: I'm on the four club playing with Transformers with my
Speaker 1: four year old and Avengers characters and you know, doing
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and you know, you know, my wife
Speaker 1: talking to me about dinner and showing me stuff online
Speaker 1: that she want to order for the house and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I mean, you know, it's like that's the
Speaker 1: thing that you know what I mean that you want
Speaker 1: to that's that's that's that's that's that's how what I wanted.
Speaker 1: That's how I want to live. You know, you know
Speaker 1: these final days out, I want to live them out
Speaker 1: like that. I did that. Well, let's say a final
Speaker 1: days came because you're gonna live forever. That's what you
Speaker 1: were particular drink champs and that's well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: want to set on the song I may die one
Speaker 1: day with my runs main like so yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know I'm here eternally. I'm just saying that. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this, said Flesh. You know, if I
Speaker 1: have a long he said, Flesh, you know questions, huh,
Speaker 1: you go to Costcos executive number. I'll come up. I
Speaker 1: love you got Costcos Costcos. You understood what I'm saying. Dyslexic.
Speaker 1: Are there any big daddy can regrets? I didn't sun
Speaker 1: my daughter. I don't know exactly, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like this said, it's like the equation. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, I mean, it's it's like
Speaker 1: you know when you looking at that, what the answer is,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what's important, And what the answer is
Speaker 1: is what my life is now and whatever it took
Speaker 1: to get it where it is now. Having regrets might
Speaker 1: change all to something and I may not have the
Speaker 1: family I have. So no, I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, you know, say that I afric regress
Speaker 1: when you was at the top, because like very people
Speaker 1: can see, like I've had success in hip hop, I've
Speaker 1: never had the type of success that you had, like
Speaker 1: being the only guy at that top of that that
Speaker 1: badman and then you have people who follow like a
Speaker 1: big jail or nas or whatever. But I've always been
Speaker 1: like a step behind you. Guys, Like, was it over
Speaker 1: overwhelming when you were just out there and everybody ever
Speaker 1: could imagine how much your people was ringing because it
Speaker 1: probably wasn't phones back then? Was the overwhelming where you
Speaker 1: were just like damn, like you you you asked for it,
Speaker 1: you got it, and then you were just like damn,
Speaker 1: was it ever like that or not? I mean, because
Speaker 1: you I mean, I'm I'm I'm a private person. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like with me, I like to come around people,
Speaker 1: spread love and then go to the comfort of my home,
Speaker 1: right you know, like you know you've been like that
Speaker 1: since then. Yes, I mean, like you know, I go
Speaker 1: around the way, shot out on you know, on on
Speaker 1: on Lewis and Van Buren, or go hole to my
Speaker 1: peeple Script and Brevoid projects, you know, other people over
Speaker 1: in Brookline, or can hang out, you know, buy like
Speaker 1: a half a gallon of Hennessey, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: get them maybe like about two hours of we'd you know,
Speaker 1: and let them, you know, do what they do. Said.
Speaker 1: I did share with them, you know, cast that wanted
Speaker 1: to float a little you know, we get a little
Speaker 1: ssfer go and spit something whatever, you know. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I might have you know, a little ship,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like, you know, I'm just watching
Speaker 1: them enjoy theirselfs, you know what I'm saying, because he's
Speaker 1: his brothers that I respect, and they're still in the
Speaker 1: hood trying to you know, come up. I want to
Speaker 1: inspire them, you know what I'm saying. You know, to
Speaker 1: stay focused, you know what I'm saying, keep tracing chasing
Speaker 1: that dream and when I take my ass home and
Speaker 1: then yeah, then I break open my filth of in me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And you know, I sit
Speaker 1: back and I listened to my motherfucking oldest Redding or
Speaker 1: David Ruffling, you know the stuff I was. I'm not
Speaker 1: out there rocking some hip hop with them. I can't
Speaker 1: come home. I'm thoughts and David Ruffin and just Redden
Speaker 1: and some of smooth stuff and just laid back and
Speaker 1: I'm showing that I'm good. Now this is my life,
Speaker 1: you know. Now you got a record with tupop correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well there was one with me, Pock and Hammer, and
Speaker 1: then there's just one with just me and Pocket and
Speaker 1: the one your pockets called Wherever You Are? And Hammer
Speaker 1: was too late player, too late. Yeah, he was the
Speaker 1: junior joint. Too late. Yeah, so that's crazy. So alright,
Speaker 1: that pop, right, that pop that you knew back then
Speaker 1: because you just said earlier, he was like your new pop.
Speaker 1: Those records of pre Death Row pop, those all those
Speaker 1: songs all happened that same night. I'm telling you about
Speaker 1: the differences that same night as Hammer was signed the
Speaker 1: Death Row too. Yeah, this is all that same night
Speaker 1: to underground Pop I'm gonna turn into the death row
Speaker 1: Pop that you not because you gotta understand, it's like
Speaker 1: Pop spit for me, and when he spent for me,
Speaker 1: I saw that he had lyrics and I saw where
Speaker 1: he was going with it, the resolutionary side of para.
Speaker 1: I saw that, you know what I'm saying. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I didn't know exactly where he
Speaker 1: was going to go with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, she spent for me, and then
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, three hours later, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, he was on you know, stage doing a
Speaker 1: Humpty dance with with with um und So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't really know where he gonna go because underground,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like he kicking some programs you um, like,
Speaker 1: for example, like my dads in Scoop and Scrap. To
Speaker 1: try to imagine school or Scrap doing the same thing
Speaker 1: I did would be a difficult site because they've already
Speaker 1: been seen at school and Scrap, You understand you're saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like I didn't know how to public would
Speaker 1: perceive it, you know what I'm saying, Right, And that
Speaker 1: day when you going Big and Pop both on your stage.
Speaker 1: Isn't scoop on the stage too? But but did you
Speaker 1: know those those two guys were turned into the people
Speaker 1: they turned into or you did? Um? Well, at that point,
Speaker 1: Park was already on his way. You know, Big was
Speaker 1: an up and coming Yeah, because it was what happened
Speaker 1: was C called me and said yo, which is really
Speaker 1: how we all like in Miami, how we heard this
Speaker 1: freestyle He put on a mixtape and we all heard
Speaker 1: around the well. I mean the reason why anybody heard
Speaker 1: is because Mr C, because he was smart enough to
Speaker 1: record to show that he was fest is a super
Speaker 1: fest every night were on stage with Patti LaBelle jeval
Speaker 1: LeVert MC light um silk. I mean, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of me I think, B B D a lot of
Speaker 1: major artists every night. But that particular night she decided
Speaker 1: to record. That's crazy. He hadn't recorded none of the
Speaker 1: mothers he recorded that night, you know, so the rest
Speaker 1: of the world heard it thanks to Mr CE. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, let's get Mr C something at that.
Speaker 1: But he called me and was like, yo, big one
Speaker 1: to come, and you know he was wandering the farm,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh no, A matter of fact, all he said,
Speaker 1: was Big One to come. That's all he wanted. He
Speaker 1: said Big One to come, and I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: Then he hit me back and said, yo, um, did
Speaker 1: we have a record though, Yeah, he may have had
Speaker 1: part party and bullshit. Yeah, But then he hit me
Speaker 1: back and said, yo, um, Tupac is in town filming
Speaker 1: a basketball movie. But I don't think he knew the nathing.
Speaker 1: He said he's from his basketball and he wanted to
Speaker 1: bring him with him, and you know, me with the
Speaker 1: my battle mind state, I'm like, yeah, friendly because you
Speaker 1: want to battle that well. I mean it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, possible, Yeah, Park was There's nothing personal. I'm
Speaker 1: not love them just this was this was the brother
Speaker 1: that came to me in the beginning of his career,
Speaker 1: so I had nothing but love for him. But this
Speaker 1: is hip hop, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, bring on them, bring You're gonna
Speaker 1: burn them down. So that was, you know, where my
Speaker 1: mind state was. So when they got there, you know,
Speaker 1: they just came to really this and I told him,
Speaker 1: you know, yo, you know you wanna get on. So
Speaker 1: that's really what my mind state was, you know. And
Speaker 1: I mean who would have known that it would have
Speaker 1: turned into what it turned into, you know, because when
Speaker 1: you seen that beef transpired because you you knowing the
Speaker 1: night that you just had this is at the Guarden. Correct,
Speaker 1: the Bubbs was at the Garden, So you know that
Speaker 1: that night they just had you just had to both
Speaker 1: on stage with you actually and then you hear about
Speaker 1: this this beef you ever thought of would have went
Speaker 1: this far? I mean, you know it's like and then
Speaker 1: and here two part question, I'm sorry, do you ever
Speaker 1: think it went this fall? And then not only that,
Speaker 1: did you ever try to interjeck like just try to like, well,
Speaker 1: I told you I tried to interject on on the
Speaker 1: plane from who we're going from Vegas to try to
Speaker 1: explain that I got interrupted with Yeah. But I mean
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't think it would go this far.
Speaker 1: I mean I was surprised, you know, because I mean
Speaker 1: it's like record you understand it. Here's what I'm from. Nobody, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm aware of you know, artists battle in their parties,
Speaker 1: going against each other, and they got to ride on
Speaker 1: the same train home. You know what I'm saying. This
Speaker 1: is type of shift I've seen, you know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, cold crushed, battling, fantastic on busy being Kumo
Speaker 1: D L L and Kumo D You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen mc shannon caress One. You've seen
Speaker 1: them battle in it and then again. No, no no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I mean I know I'm talking about that's that's something separate.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that all these battles I've seen where
Speaker 1: it was just battling m seeing you know. I mean
Speaker 1: like me and mc shann on the same label, and
Speaker 1: him and carress One battle in each other and Carross One.
Speaker 1: MS Melody helped me move out of my mother's crib
Speaker 1: when I first moved up to my parents into my
Speaker 1: old spot. Carross One and MS Melody helped me move out.
Speaker 1: Wasn't you you made an appearance in the self Destruction
Speaker 1: video which is which is karros one, Miss Melody? I mean,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be on the song, but apparently
Speaker 1: I was lied to, you know, yeah, somebody told me
Speaker 1: that because I guess the data is according was a
Speaker 1: data I had to show or something like that. I
Speaker 1: can't remember, and they told me that that was the
Speaker 1: only day that I've heard record vocals. M damn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then but I found out way later that you
Speaker 1: know that I think maybe Chuck D and somebody else
Speaker 1: have recorded their focus on another day, but they told me, oh,
Speaker 1: now they've recording everything that day. So I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I just assumed that I was ship. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be to make it, so you know, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. But I would have loved have been on
Speaker 1: that song. Yeah that's a selfless drunction. Jeez, Louise father
Speaker 1: che Yeah. But you know, but back what we're saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you know, with all I saw,
Speaker 1: you know, in my lifetime when it came to m
Speaker 1: C and then as you know with me, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is something I've been doing since nine
Speaker 1: eight two, just going to different peoplehoods, battling them. Um,
Speaker 1: you know who your best MC over here, you know,
Speaker 1: year around, Yeah, let me holler at him. You know,
Speaker 1: this is what I've been doing since nineteen two until
Speaker 1: I got to deal, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like this is an understanding that I have, like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is hip hop, this is what we do.
Speaker 1: So too, Biggie and Pop to see what they went through.
Speaker 1: I'm like, because they gotta be crazy from you coming
Speaker 1: from a battle state and seeing and then but you
Speaker 1: had to feel different from hearing um Tupacs hit him up.
Speaker 1: That was a different type of this rap. This rap correct.
Speaker 1: It had to be to you too, because I'm born
Speaker 1: in seventy seven, so like your generation is like just
Speaker 1: right before minds right. So I've heard the battle ship,
Speaker 1: but it was never like when Tupac took it there
Speaker 1: would hit him up, like hit him up, was like
Speaker 1: this was something like he went on his wife. He went,
Speaker 1: it's just everything that he said. It was just like
Speaker 1: there's no coming back from this were you never seen
Speaker 1: I'm not this record is worse than I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say that there's no coming back because if you understand
Speaker 1: the all the war, it's always a way back, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: know what biggie mentality was like back then, but if
Speaker 1: you understand the all the war, there's always a way back,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Ali be George Forman when nobody
Speaker 1: else could fact, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 1: think Mike Tyson, I think he meant there's no way
Speaker 1: back after for pop ye Cross. Yeah, you're talking about
Speaker 1: pot cross the line. Yeah, and there's no way there's
Speaker 1: no squash because, like I mean, I've been till then,
Speaker 1: we didn't hear this record like that, we heard this record.
Speaker 1: It's like yo, your girl, like yeah, we didn't hear
Speaker 1: like motherfucker you know. Then I mean it's like this,
Speaker 1: then understand me. Funk it. Y'all just can't be friend
Speaker 1: is no more. Y'all just can't be friends no more.
Speaker 1: But now your your question is this. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You're ready to take it there or you
Speaker 1: want to reply? The choice is yours. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: if you take it there, then the battle is over.
Speaker 1: There's some street ship. Now it's a context if if
Speaker 1: you're ready take it there, the battles over there. Saying
Speaker 1: if y'all was battling and then y'all start fighting, then't
Speaker 1: that's it? The battles over They gotta keep it on
Speaker 1: the streets back then. I mean, it's like you see it.
Speaker 1: If you feel like somebody violated your family, you know,
Speaker 1: disrespect your family away, you know what I say, and
Speaker 1: you're ready to take it there, then I mean, what's
Speaker 1: the purpose of batting. Just just go ahead and go
Speaker 1: where you got to go with this, you know, if
Speaker 1: that's what you choose, or if you choose to respond
Speaker 1: and violated him directly, you know. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's you know, that's versus yours. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like I can't really speak on it or say,
Speaker 1: you know, what it should have been, because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what Park said about Big, this
Speaker 1: is not what Park said about me. There was obviously
Speaker 1: more things that played with that beef, like we don't
Speaker 1: really yet. I mean, here's my thing, is this man?
Speaker 1: You know? Besides all that, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: had Puff and Shug sat down and had a meeting
Speaker 1: on some don king Bob aram ship, they could have said, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna charge Whoop the Woolf for pay per view,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna let them go three songs a piece.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it real with come give me a second.
Speaker 1: We're gonna let them go three songs a piece. Then
Speaker 1: after the third song, we'll let them go two rounds
Speaker 1: of battle rap, and we're gonna have people judge calling
Speaker 1: the judge, and we'll control the hundred or one nine hundred,
Speaker 1: whatever number to get money off of that, and they
Speaker 1: both could have got I mean on for them, could
Speaker 1: have got filthy or for the meaning pop Big sugar Puff.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's the way that ship
Speaker 1: should have been done. I mean, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: turn into some real hip hop should make it, you
Speaker 1: know something you can make money off some real boutanies.
Speaker 1: That's how I should have been done in my good right,
Speaker 1: Like the mc shan Caress like day was going on
Speaker 1: toy at one point that was brought about because of
Speaker 1: the Sprint commercial. You know what I'm saying. But I mean,
Speaker 1: just this could have been turned into something that could
Speaker 1: have kept a hip hop but civilized, and maybe both
Speaker 1: of them would be with us. But all through respect,
Speaker 1: Shan kind of still is a little bit mad of
Speaker 1: Caress right now, and Carrots sit on our show that
Speaker 1: it was semi serious, That's what I'm saying, but like
Speaker 1: right now, we're serious. I still see Shan like mc
Speaker 1: shann't pick him up. Queyne's bridge fine this, but I
Speaker 1: still see Shannon like every now and then every thwee clicks,
Speaker 1: I see it's still a sham dissing caress like, he's
Speaker 1: still like, man, I'm still here to diss each other.
Speaker 1: And that's the big difference. They're still here to diss
Speaker 1: each other. And that's the big difference. I'm But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is does it doesn't commit the same damage
Speaker 1: because when you got sharing still like you know every
Speaker 1: you know he's he's still has a personal care rass.
Speaker 1: I mean that's really on the individual, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, if you're gonna lose sleeping night
Speaker 1: over losing the battle, that's on you. You know, that's
Speaker 1: on you because I mean, um, because you're supposed to
Speaker 1: get dunked on and keep it moving. Yeah, every day
Speaker 1: everything is better than losing your life. Yeah. So now
Speaker 1: let me tell you something King Well, I mean honestly, yes,
Speaker 1: I can say if if if, if you're in it
Speaker 1: for the culture, right, you know what I'm saying. You're
Speaker 1: battling him, see it, hm, and you want to be
Speaker 1: the best battle to see. If you lose a battle,
Speaker 1: then don't take it as a loss. Take it as
Speaker 1: a lesson, and then it's not a loss. There's a lesson.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Figure out what you did
Speaker 1: wrong like a boxer, you know, because I mean I
Speaker 1: remember people asking me about the whole jay Z Nas
Speaker 1: thing speaking to King and who are you going with that?
Speaker 1: I said, no way, And I was wrong, no way
Speaker 1: about who were what? I thought that there was no
Speaker 1: way that nas could could couldn't win that. I thought
Speaker 1: there was no for the simple fact that you funked
Speaker 1: up game. I'm saying, I think the moment it makes
Speaker 1: no because here's here's the thing. Yeah, I need to
Speaker 1: hear your theory. I knew the jay Z was more sardcasting,
Speaker 1: and when I met Naws, I didn't really see no
Speaker 1: sense of humor, you know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: the first time you met nas Um tell me John
Speaker 1: Blade Studio, No ump, John Blade Video, No no, No,
Speaker 1: Unique Studio, Unique Studio, Seventh Street Studio. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well the first time I met you, Oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: get to that later, come on, let's yeah, it was
Speaker 1: on that on Unique Studios, Unique Studio, and we was
Speaker 1: chopping it up, and I mean, I didn't see a
Speaker 1: sense of humor and him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if you'd have met his brother Jungle, you were
Speaker 1: new that's the funniest thing in the world. Well, see
Speaker 1: you you you more inside? So I just said. So
Speaker 1: it's like I'm sitting there like knowing jay z sense
Speaker 1: of humor. I'm like, you know someone that you know this,
Speaker 1: don't have fun, don't play around because see, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I guess I was I was seeing another battle playing out. Okay,
Speaker 1: so someone else had a sense of humorous Because look,
Speaker 1: when people they hear me like on on an Eminem record, right,
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm ever gonna say this.
Speaker 1: This is the I did two or three interviews where
Speaker 1: people asked me you even call you even called me,
Speaker 1: get you a foul guy? Gets that's gay? The answers gay.
Speaker 1: So look, so when I heard Eminem uh against jay Z,
Speaker 1: I've never looked at it like m destroyed. I just
Speaker 1: did because I actually kind of related to jay Z's
Speaker 1: versus more than I did Eminem. And that's not I
Speaker 1: love him in it. It's just I don't even knowing
Speaker 1: the Biblical because it was it's really residuals. I don't
Speaker 1: know that, right, but I know like awkward and boxed
Speaker 1: lefty in the door, like I know that, right, So
Speaker 1: people think that I'm crazy when I say that. I
Speaker 1: look at that record as if it's a great record,
Speaker 1: right you even know or that Jay you're talking about,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't feel like Jay got body right.
Speaker 1: But on either and to take over NAS on one
Speaker 1: Man one if you get here, just take over to
Speaker 1: ether now super ugly. I don't even want to count
Speaker 1: that because it was an emotional record. You can tell
Speaker 1: like Jay is one of our best mcs. We can't
Speaker 1: even we shouldn't even judge him, we shouldn't even rate
Speaker 1: him or for that, let's just do with those two things.
Speaker 1: Nas definitely one and James my man Nas my man.
Speaker 1: But now I think yeah, but because of what you said,
Speaker 1: it's because of I felt like he took it too serious,
Speaker 1: like you feel like a battle front? Who take it?
Speaker 1: I feel like Jay took it too serious like no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean no, you you could be right, because I
Speaker 1: don't think that JA expected what NAS did on either.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Jay underperformed or NAS overperformed? So
Speaker 1: when you thought to what you thought in terms of
Speaker 1: humor and all that stuff that Jay z bodied gnaws
Speaker 1: on Takeover, It's just that the response that NAS had
Speaker 1: on Ether. I didn't see coming in a million years.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you. And he took a
Speaker 1: long time to remember game he didn't just a small now,
Speaker 1: y'all days a personally do a record. You gotta do
Speaker 1: it next week he took. He took a little top.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember, like the window looks like it
Speaker 1: was a big Yeah, it was, yeah killed I'm a queens.
Speaker 1: Oh god, damn it. I mean he killed Ether. I
Speaker 1: never like, would have never expected that from Naws. Like
Speaker 1: years later I had remember, I had a conversation with
Speaker 1: Nas and that was the first time I really saw
Speaker 1: like his sense of humor. Oh no, now it's a
Speaker 1: funny naer. Yeah, all of earning niggas from Vernon, it's
Speaker 1: niggas is funny niggas. I but I'm saying, when I
Speaker 1: first met I'm studio, it's quiet, yeah, quiet, like he
Speaker 1: was really sitting there talking through me and taking it in.
Speaker 1: But no, of course you would let you came. Of course,
Speaker 1: nobody want to be funny in front of you. Can't
Speaker 1: come on, can't come on. Listen in the line. When
Speaker 1: when people meet you, they hug you, and I mean
Speaker 1: they get your five But in the mind. Even if
Speaker 1: they don't do it, they're going like this, it's facts.
Speaker 1: They're going back this man. Let me tell you something, Man,
Speaker 1: you really laid it out for us to play it out.
Speaker 1: You was the guy in front of you know, Masses
Speaker 1: finging Pop mcdonna. You know again figure pop. If your yo,
Speaker 1: you got, you had, you had, you had, you know
Speaker 1: these these tremendous records you toward. You did everything. And
Speaker 1: the thing about Drink Chance, we don't want you to
Speaker 1: ever feel like your life is over or your life
Speaker 1: has ever been misplaced. He had drink Chance. We want
Speaker 1: to pick up these other young boys. They got these
Speaker 1: other outlets where they can go on and they could
Speaker 1: play their music. And that's not where the hell drink
Speaker 1: Champs and drink Champs. We want to salute all legends
Speaker 1: that and no no on, yo, my dude, listen, I
Speaker 1: got thick eyebrows right now because I was cutting my eyebrows.
Speaker 1: I was I had three cuts in my eyebrows trying
Speaker 1: to wild out. You know that, jay Z Larry, you
Speaker 1: know I see the same thing happened to Kame. Three
Speaker 1: cuts in your yo, Yo, Look nook my studs already
Speaker 1: think any way. But I was like, I was a
Speaker 1: young nigga, like eleven years old and I cut my
Speaker 1: three Do you know how influential you was whatever you did.
Speaker 1: But that's just the reason why Jay has to always
Speaker 1: salute you, because he actually like, whatever you did, you
Speaker 1: came out of the road. We wanted a road. You
Speaker 1: had a four finger ring, We wanted the ring. You
Speaker 1: had a rope chain, We wanted a rope change. I
Speaker 1: was just being wanted sent honest, that's love. I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Like you you was. You was the
Speaker 1: what's that ship? Called that trading setter? Whatever you did,
Speaker 1: we followed like, how did That's what? That's what you?
Speaker 1: You know? You you you have to be man, You
Speaker 1: have to be that. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: have to create, you know, your own lane. You have
Speaker 1: to create that. Otherwise, you know, you just another piece
Speaker 1: on the table. Man. You have to create your own lane.
Speaker 1: What makes you? You need you know? And I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get it funked up big on me. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that you are a very unique artist yourself, man,
Speaker 1: because it's like, no, no cares about you today. But
Speaker 1: I'm ann switch to subject cause I see you trying
Speaker 1: to switch. I'm good at my game. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, King. One of the things that I want
Speaker 1: to do right, and it's with all this transitioning of
Speaker 1: how the coaches moving. What I thought of was, you know,
Speaker 1: I watched the n w A movie. I watched all
Speaker 1: these other people movie right now. It's in the two
Speaker 1: Things One we gotta tell the Big Daddy King started
Speaker 1: what's it called buyout biopick. We gotta get a big
Speaker 1: Daddy King biopick. And not only that, but this is
Speaker 1: also idea that I had. I wanted to do the
Speaker 1: Clarence thirteen X movie. And as I'm looking at you,
Speaker 1: I think you would play the Fall? Now? Could you?
Speaker 1: Could you? Could you think you can pull off playing
Speaker 1: the Fall of Clarence thirteen X and more? I mean
Speaker 1: why not? I don't see the why not neither? Why not?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see or not. I only see Yes?
Speaker 1: Would that be your ultimate role as an actor? I mean, hey, brother,
Speaker 1: you call your people, I call mine. Let's got that?
Speaker 1: Is that a movie that needs to be necessary because
Speaker 1: you grew up? You know, um father Ciship. I think
Speaker 1: that I think that it would be beautiful I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, the state of the world today,
Speaker 1: anything that has a positive view, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Anything that would be uplifting to black people in this time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I have to say
Speaker 1: black people, you know what I'm saying. I have to
Speaker 1: you know, be that specific because I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: this is an error where not only you know, are
Speaker 1: we going through so much with police brutality and you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know, just that whole lack of masculinity, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean not only that, it's the type of thing
Speaker 1: where we're going against each other just to be famous
Speaker 1: on social media. You know what I'm saying. It's the
Speaker 1: type of thing we're right now. We we we were
Speaker 1: in a situation where you know, one black people go
Speaker 1: against another just to be able to say, you know,
Speaker 1: just just something important or just be recognized on social media,
Speaker 1: you know. And I mean it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's just sad because it's it's not unified, it's
Speaker 1: not uplift. But you remember your days like they were
Speaker 1: structure like five percent, people like I remember, like people
Speaker 1: like you know, coming out like and if they knew
Speaker 1: my mother. The guards would check me. The guards will
Speaker 1: be like, yo, you don't have that, no more like
Speaker 1: if you don't even have that, I don't even have
Speaker 1: that in the industry. Meaning, but that's deeper than your days.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that you go back to
Speaker 1: the seventies. You know what, it's go back to the
Speaker 1: seventies with black panthers and so on. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: so's it's not like it was just you know, a thing,
Speaker 1: you know with the five percent. It's this is something
Speaker 1: that's that's that's deep. That went on a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: even prior to that, you know what I'm saying, like like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you got your grandparents are still with us.
Speaker 1: But I mean they don't tell you. You know. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they see a child over here fucking up
Speaker 1: a village, a village, you know, you know, ain't you
Speaker 1: such boy? What you doing? They whooped gas and they're
Speaker 1: gonna tell your parents. But but but but you know,
Speaker 1: that's when I see what's happening in the rap game.
Speaker 1: In the rap game, Oh you you guys helped us
Speaker 1: and we it's our false it's my generations for we
Speaker 1: didn't give a funk about helping the next guys. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying me in particular because generation everybody who
Speaker 1: who I could help? Nah? Okay, yeah, because you be
Speaker 1: be careful how you choose your words, because um nah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that this really started until the New Millennium.
Speaker 1: I don't think this started with your ever. I think
Speaker 1: this started with the New Millennium. You know what. That's
Speaker 1: when this ship started to New Millennium when they didn't
Speaker 1: they respect the elders. You're saying, well, I think what
Speaker 1: basically happened is like you know, when we end to
Speaker 1: into this new century. Um, it wasn't a type of
Speaker 1: thing where cats that you know used to promote Stephanie
Speaker 1: Mills in the gap band all them or in control
Speaker 1: of rap where they confused. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell they're doing now we actually have people in control
Speaker 1: of rap that group. They understand it probably was a
Speaker 1: rapper himself that didn't make it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They meant that someone that said I don't like grimy,
Speaker 1: I don't like nothing. Why did I nigger get a deal?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some real artists, I know on and
Speaker 1: you see they have this here mentality, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And it's like, you know what what started happening,
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, people bringing in their camp,
Speaker 1: their people, their friends may get them stars regardless of
Speaker 1: skills exactly. So now therefore skills is going out the window.
Speaker 1: And then from um label standpoint, you know the stuff
Speaker 1: that we all went through. Hey, well you know um
Speaker 1: my ship on double platform, we need to discuss these contracts.
Speaker 1: They start changing that, creating these one off deals or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, and all this and stuff with artists and
Speaker 1: three six deals. Well that came later, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, after the sales started to you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know, go to key and the sales started to
Speaker 1: decrease in yeah, okay, yeah, we're gonna need a little
Speaker 1: bit of your show money. We're gonna need a little
Speaker 1: bit of merchant, you know. And you know it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, here we are in a whole different state
Speaker 1: of hip hop where you know, these artists are getting
Speaker 1: terrib rble deals. But you know it's like what she
Speaker 1: was asking earlier about the older generation, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mel might have been Funky and whatever happened with Moe
Speaker 1: and l. But I tell you this, Mel did sit
Speaker 1: and tell me about his career. Mel did sit and
Speaker 1: tell me the ends and out of his business when
Speaker 1: I got into it. When I wrote the Lucy's rap song,
Speaker 1: um Man, Rick James sat down with me and gave
Speaker 1: me a whole spill on the industry James. Rick James
Speaker 1: sat and gave me a whole spill. And I came
Speaker 1: to this meeting on some arrogant ship, on some old
Speaker 1: you know fun Rick, you said, Rick, not because it
Speaker 1: was with my man. He was always bragging me about
Speaker 1: you know. You know how while it was a regular
Speaker 1: and exactly you know, I was in I'll do my
Speaker 1: thing thing, you know, so I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I get asked. You know, fun Rick was stiff this time.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him do it, but I didn't see coke.
Speaker 1: It was Okay, that's another I'll tell you. I'll get
Speaker 1: I'll get to that as soon as I finished, because
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a story. But anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like Vick James was giving me game. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many Baby White giving me games. There were
Speaker 1: so many artists that was giving me game. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Jelil from Houdini, giving me serious game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I mean, like, this
Speaker 1: is the type of stuff I tried to do with
Speaker 1: jay Z. Like I told you earlier about Mr C
Speaker 1: calling me um with Big on the line, I'm telling
Speaker 1: Big how I would handle this situation, what I think
Speaker 1: he should do. You know what I'm saying. And this
Speaker 1: is the new generation. You know what I'm saying. Did
Speaker 1: you ever disappoint you at some point? Like you know
Speaker 1: you guys connected, he was there for him. I can't
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I can't really say that because
Speaker 1: it's like I've always known Jay the way he is.
Speaker 1: I know the type the person he is, So there's
Speaker 1: no way he can disappoint me, you know, because I
Speaker 1: mean I know, I know him. I know, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know what to expect from Jay, and I'm happy for
Speaker 1: him and I wish him continue success, you know, um.
Speaker 1: But I mean yeah, it's like, you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what um Uh, jay Z and Tupac and
Speaker 1: these cats and Biggie what they did for any other
Speaker 1: upcoming generation. But I mean, you know, it's like you
Speaker 1: know um. I mean, I mean I've heard stories about
Speaker 1: with Jay and Kanye, Dame Dash and Kanye whatever you
Speaker 1: know I call and with ludicrous you know, and eminem
Speaker 1: always you know shouts you know, out at the sense
Speaker 1: as myself, Rock cam Um several others. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like it was passed on. But then you know,
Speaker 1: there came a point where Day kept a support. There
Speaker 1: was a separation not created through the artists, created through
Speaker 1: the industry of course, you know what I'm saying. Through
Speaker 1: the later expiration Days will put on. Why why do
Speaker 1: you think it's like that in a hip hoply like
Speaker 1: to me, to me, I want to prove like the
Speaker 1: point that like I could have won the championship, I
Speaker 1: could have been a Shaquille on Nil like you know,
Speaker 1: I've I've been platinum of you know, had gold albums
Speaker 1: and now I want to turn it to media. So
Speaker 1: I would have shown people that, you know, you could
Speaker 1: be cool growing old. I'm forty years old, just turned
Speaker 1: forty years old. Why is it that people want to
Speaker 1: give hip hop and aspiration day why? Well, I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons. I think one of the reasons
Speaker 1: is that if the youth of today connect with your generation,
Speaker 1: because you have to me, you know, so if you
Speaker 1: didn't really have to say of course. But if they
Speaker 1: connect with you, then comes you schooling them on what
Speaker 1: real hip hop is and might make them want to
Speaker 1: think for themselves, because right now they're not thinking for
Speaker 1: themselves because they'd be a brainwash. What they're hearing on
Speaker 1: the radio. Yeah, well not just they're they're told this
Speaker 1: is what we need, we need you to do this.
Speaker 1: We need to just sound like we need social media radio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, k you know what about you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? No, I mean no, no, for real,
Speaker 1: that's that's what they tell you. No, listen, we're looking
Speaker 1: for something more like a you know, can you do this?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, going down the bridles on us, get
Speaker 1: your address and come on the funk with me, and
Speaker 1: we were gonna make this his song happen for you.
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening. It's a dude guy right now.
Speaker 1: You can see the guy his a wedding dre that song.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's from Florida too, He's that's what I heard.
Speaker 1: That's what I heard. God bless your negs in Florida.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold all right, let's take one break. I
Speaker 1: gotta take one more Pistons's follow you on bread and
Speaker 1: we spoking smoke. Gets me here real quick, cause I
Speaker 1: know you gotta asked. All right, cool, get to me
Speaker 1: in real quick. Cane over there. Okay, can you ain't
Speaker 1: drink the whole bottom by yourself? He's showing up. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely gonna take a glass. I thought you said we
Speaker 1: was drinking drinking? Is he going to here? Gonna what
Speaker 1: taver with us afterwards? What? I'm sure you're good. You
Speaker 1: got a flight? Okay, I got an early flight too.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you've been doing it. Yeah, he just has
Speaker 1: to fly this time of year. You just gonna fly
Speaker 1: for the reason I used to hit your moms back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get your mouths up, were calling. I'm about seventeen ship segments.
Speaker 1: Shot myself. Man, if you got great so Vegas, then
Speaker 1: back and then l A and back into up. I'm
Speaker 1: plating them one kid again. My team sucks now, American
Speaker 1: Airlines suck them, man, That's what I'm That's what I'm
Speaker 1: going too. But seventeen segments to make executive platform. I'm
Speaker 1: planning just regular platform. I'm planning the pro but I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get that exactly. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: what's going on with him right now? Where you separated
Speaker 1: the ship and people out one they said, don't fly,
Speaker 1: But I thought Tyler Perry American what I thought he
Speaker 1: saw it? I thought he had something to do with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one more shot, because you know we're here with came
Speaker 1: man and let me just tell you something, man, can
Speaker 1: you are very much appreciated. Absolutely, you are very much.
Speaker 1: When we started this program, we we just wanted to
Speaker 1: We figured, you know, these guys they come out, they
Speaker 1: have one hit Wonders and they you know, they have
Speaker 1: a luxtrious two or three years, and we want to
Speaker 1: respect them too. We don't we don't have nothing against them,
Speaker 1: but we want to respect the aur legends who got
Speaker 1: you know, ten fifty years in his career. Because we
Speaker 1: noticed that every other genre in music, when you have
Speaker 1: that longevity, you're saluted. But in hip hop you have
Speaker 1: that longevity and they call you old or they call
Speaker 1: you wash stuff, though they call you man. I want
Speaker 1: to stop using the world relevant because the world relevant
Speaker 1: is only relevant to people who use that world relevancee
Speaker 1: relevant to see relevant. You know what I'm saying you
Speaker 1: got big Daddy Kane fans who will probably never listen
Speaker 1: to these new guys, right, and then vice versa, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it doesn't take away from you to take
Speaker 1: away from them. The thing is, if you had this
Speaker 1: career where you lived over ten years and twelve and
Speaker 1: thirteen years and here, this is where we want to
Speaker 1: salute you. This is where we want to pick our
Speaker 1: people up, from you to Chuck D the care arrest
Speaker 1: one to to a d MX, to uh whoever. We
Speaker 1: want to sit here and we want to let our
Speaker 1: legends know that you have a place in hip hop
Speaker 1: and you will forever be remembered for what you did
Speaker 1: for hip and you are hip hop and that's what
Speaker 1: this is about. We are honored that these people will
Speaker 1: come and listen to us, But even if the people
Speaker 1: ain't come and listen to us, we'll be honored to
Speaker 1: do this and sit before listen. I'm glad to be
Speaker 1: a part of it. Man, sit before that. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pop that last battle. Look. Look, look we got
Speaker 1: to have a drink with me. I have a drink
Speaker 1: with you. I already separated my cops. Look that's my
Speaker 1: rare wine cup. Right there. I'm gonna have a drink.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do one more shot. They're don't get about it.
Speaker 1: Oh I look at that can. Okay, I ain't gonna lock.
Speaker 1: Oh look but can? Did you did you have a
Speaker 1: glass of rose in two thousand? In seventeen? This is
Speaker 1: the new ship. This is the kids drinking. Ok you
Speaker 1: got I have a drink with you. You have a
Speaker 1: drink with me, and we got we got a gift
Speaker 1: for you from eight and nine. Thank you? He got mad?
Speaker 1: Guess he got mad? Guess? Yeah, I want, I want,
Speaker 1: I want to turn you onto something else to man okay,
Speaker 1: like like like you you enter the champagne. No, I'm
Speaker 1: in a champagne. Yea, there's a champagne called Billa card someone. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've devin never heard of that. You're very rich, cam
Speaker 1: Sorry continue that's it sounded rich? Better call sound harm
Speaker 1: what I have? Mom? Listen to say it again? Thing
Speaker 1: the loo across someone you listen, no real talk. You
Speaker 1: need to try that to call some more. Um no,
Speaker 1: because I mean like you have missed with like the
Speaker 1: wove a click yeah yeah, like and how it don't
Speaker 1: really have that? You know that that that master see
Speaker 1: no spell. Look you used to finish. I learned this
Speaker 1: in parish ship. Look at that? Can't I can't look
Speaker 1: at that? And you know what you gotta do. You
Speaker 1: gotta twist. So come on, give me, give me a cane, cup,
Speaker 1: Give me a cup. I'm gonna take one of yours.
Speaker 1: You gotta take. You gotta take something. This is what
Speaker 1: the kids look, didn't you. Yep, that's that's that's make
Speaker 1: sure that's not something that was water. That's what we
Speaker 1: wanted first. First, you gotta look if you want, you
Speaker 1: gotta need to cool. Alright, cool, good cane. The cane
Speaker 1: chooses cup, said King. God, damn, I look at that, King,
Speaker 1: Look at look how pouring at it. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you're okay. Now you told you to drink. I boared
Speaker 1: you and I'm gonna drink you poured me. This is
Speaker 1: too big, Daddy, King, for all your accolades, for everything
Speaker 1: you did for hip hop, for everything you contributed to
Speaker 1: hip hop, for every time you had a bad day
Speaker 1: in hip hop, for every time you had a good
Speaker 1: day in hip hop, every time you had a medium
Speaker 1: day in hip hop, We want you to know that
Speaker 1: you will always be welcome and drink chats. Any time
Speaker 1: you want to introduce anything that you're doing in life,
Speaker 1: we are here for you. Me and DJA. We got
Speaker 1: a couple a couple of questions before we get out
Speaker 1: of here because my brother, Weird Thoughts reminded me of something.
Speaker 1: Weird Thoughts one of my favorite tracks that you were
Speaker 1: part of collectively, Burne Hollywood Burn Chuck d Ice. Qu
Speaker 1: Uh huh? How did this come about? What was? Just
Speaker 1: give me? Huck had a concept, he said, what it was,
Speaker 1: That's what I'd be down. I said, yeah, and we
Speaker 1: made it, made it happen, and I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like he had a visual because I mean
Speaker 1: it was like, even though he had already explained to
Speaker 1: me what it was about, when it was time to
Speaker 1: do it, he explained again and win the deep detail
Speaker 1: and using references and all that year. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know Chuck, but you know Chuck
Speaker 1: Chuck Chuck Yell, you know, so you know, he long winded,
Speaker 1: you know, and he went to deep, deep, deep, deep
Speaker 1: deep details. But I mean it was the type of
Speaker 1: thing was like, bro, I'm happy to be on the song,
Speaker 1: but that's the first time you had worked with Q. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I admit Cube, you know Cube was always cool,
Speaker 1: you know, but working together. Yeah. So and in the way,
Speaker 1: one more, Paul, where you at ball drinking sports? He had?
Speaker 1: He has another question. I didn't have a question as
Speaker 1: as a fan. How was it when he did one
Speaker 1: time a time at the man took off his hat,
Speaker 1: keep your hat on, Keep your hat on? When when
Speaker 1: you did the lean on me? Because that was on
Speaker 1: with Morgan Freeman and Robert Gallus passed the way a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. You meet him like, how did
Speaker 1: how did you get on the song? How did you
Speaker 1: get the actual soundtrack? We want the song because of
Speaker 1: Bennie Medina. Um, you know, I guess let me just
Speaker 1: throw out Benny. The name came up a couple of
Speaker 1: times on this podcast. I just want to throw it
Speaker 1: out there. Bennie Medina's name came up with Mariah Carey
Speaker 1: and Jay Long. Continue Latino. He's talking about Big Nicks
Speaker 1: right now. Sorry, yeah, you know Bennie mcginna. You know
Speaker 1: he was, um, you know, because Kine so smooth, he said,
Speaker 1: like the owner Bodega. We gotta relax. He's a big
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, Well, I mean, this is when he
Speaker 1: was at Warner Brothers and um, you know, he was
Speaker 1: responsible for The Holy and on the soundtrack. And it
Speaker 1: was so funny because it was like, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: he told me about the song, and I had a
Speaker 1: copy of the film and I did watch the film,
Speaker 1: but didn't write the song because I was going through
Speaker 1: some other you know, some some other you know, you know,
Speaker 1: contract exputes, you know, um with Coach Chilling and and
Speaker 1: so I just was like, you know, you know, after song,
Speaker 1: I ain't. But then Bennie he was like asked me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm on it. I'm on I'm on it.
Speaker 1: Then one day Bennie hit me and was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: how are we coming with the song? And I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: we were good, and he said, you know, can we
Speaker 1: do it today? UM like, um, well I try And
Speaker 1: he said, okay, we'll it. I'm in New York, you
Speaker 1: can you can I send a car to pick you
Speaker 1: up and bring you the Molley House and oh you know,
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, yeah, maybe it happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you go, Like I said, I saw the movie, but
Speaker 1: I didn't write this song. So in the time that
Speaker 1: he made the call for the car and for the
Speaker 1: Mega to my crib and Queens and for me to
Speaker 1: get the Queens up to Spring Valley. That's the time
Speaker 1: I used to actually right lean on me. Yeah, don't you.
Speaker 1: Actually another soundtrack that for me is instrumental is the
Speaker 1: Juice soundtrack that you're not for respective And that's another
Speaker 1: funny story because I mean Hank Shockley was yeah, bumps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ain't Shockley wanted me to do this song. But it
Speaker 1: was like, at that point in time, I think I
Speaker 1: was really focusing on my film career, trying to get
Speaker 1: that jump started. So my mind was really there, you know,
Speaker 1: and he was driving me crazy about the song, and
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, can you do it when you
Speaker 1: get back to New York. When I say that, I
Speaker 1: mean like he meant that day I got back to YO,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, I arrived in New York
Speaker 1: Leading airport, come to my crib. Hank Shocking parked in
Speaker 1: my drive way, sleep sleep waiting for me. How demand,
Speaker 1: So you know, we kind of come to the studio
Speaker 1: that night and you know, right, the joint put together,
Speaker 1: but you know we made that happen incredible to be honest,
Speaker 1: As I'm drinking his word wine, I immediately want to
Speaker 1: eat Pussy. I know you're a different makes me want
Speaker 1: like I've never had alcohol. JAS say that red one
Speaker 1: brings the best I knew. It made me want to
Speaker 1: listen to oldest Redden. But if Pussy's your choice, definitely,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's got weird for me. Did you
Speaker 1: finish my drink? I want to know what it makes
Speaker 1: you feel like? No, not listen, No, no, no, I've
Speaker 1: done that. I mean, yeah, yeah, but so so the
Speaker 1: red wine. Now, what's this? This is a this this
Speaker 1: Orange Shift Orange Swift machete. It's it's a cab blend.
Speaker 1: It's there. I like the way. I'm not a hundred
Speaker 1: per cent sure. I think it's from correct. I believe
Speaker 1: it's cab and Um Sara. I think it's cabin Sara Blake.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I believe it's a cab Kevin and Sara.
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, Rang Swift. They make some great wines.
Speaker 1: They have the machete, they have the abstract Palermo Italy. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's that's that's the only cabinet that Orange Swift made.
Speaker 1: All the rest of the cat blends. They make some
Speaker 1: great wines and if you go to um their their
Speaker 1: spot in Napa, it's like stuff. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: you when you and it's not like the other spot.
Speaker 1: They it's like the club. They got music blasting and
Speaker 1: you know, chicks in their drunk the ship not coppers
Speaker 1: in Nappa alright, but it's not. Yeah, it's with you know,
Speaker 1: because their things on the strip, Okay, right on the
Speaker 1: strip and yeah yeah, I mean Orange Swift has has
Speaker 1: a great selection. I've never seen this. This is machete
Speaker 1: and they have the bottom. Yeah, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: they have a bump. It's all the same one. But
Speaker 1: they use different photos. There's a lot of different photos
Speaker 1: of different different positions. Let's make noise for king. Get
Speaker 1: the classes were there ordered nineteen forty two to kill correct,
Speaker 1: but we have never haked somebody or the red wine.
Speaker 1: And that's that's very classy that you can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just made. How did you become a classy Brooklyn nigger?
Speaker 1: I was born and I mean no, let me, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you real study. I mean growing up, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean watching my pops and keeping my my pops
Speaker 1: is from a small town called Bowman, in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, you know from his younger
Speaker 1: you know age he grew up in New York, and
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, yo, when I was a kid
Speaker 1: in the seventies, I see this dude like line his
Speaker 1: shoes up snakeskin gate or line him up like he
Speaker 1: might line about six pairs of shoes and then put
Speaker 1: on a suit and then just go stand in front
Speaker 1: of each pair suit. It's moving down, just just dancing
Speaker 1: his way down in front of each pier to see
Speaker 1: which which pier mattered the suit. Like this type of
Speaker 1: ship I just see him do as a child, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, I mean I've seen
Speaker 1: my pops go out in a two piece suit to
Speaker 1: drive off and had a flat tire and he had
Speaker 1: to change the tire and he changed it in the
Speaker 1: suit and got grease on the suit, and you know
Speaker 1: he stood then stared at the tire like a came upstairs,
Speaker 1: took a shower, and threw on a three piece suit
Speaker 1: like just to shoulder to tire like motherfucker. I you
Speaker 1: know I got more pieces. What I'm saying, I can
Speaker 1: put more ship on this. You ain't stop nothing, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and when I'm sing went back out south the three
Speaker 1: piece and stood in front of that same tire and
Speaker 1: stared out of the kid for about another two minutes
Speaker 1: and then got in the car and jove like. So
Speaker 1: it's like this type of stuff. It's like when I
Speaker 1: got in the hip hop um, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: the Battle rapping, But once I heard Kas, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: let dude, Grammars and cast amazing. So lyrically I wanted
Speaker 1: to be Cash, but image wise, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: my pops because I was just I just thought he
Speaker 1: was just that that dude. You know. So who's your
Speaker 1: favorite rapper from that era? If you if you could
Speaker 1: say there was one Cash? I mean when you mean
Speaker 1: from me growing up as a kid? Yea Cash? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna say that. So who's your
Speaker 1: favorite rapper from from from the Middle era? Uh? You
Speaker 1: mean like Eli, No, No after after you guys like
Speaker 1: the Naso the Night, the Nights. Oh man, It's like
Speaker 1: I would I'd have to say it this way. I
Speaker 1: have to say that lyrically. Lyrically, my favorite was nas
Speaker 1: but my favorite MC was Biggie. It's like I like
Speaker 1: big Um because I just thought it was big. Thing
Speaker 1: was amazing, But lyrically I would have to go with
Speaker 1: Nash because you understand, it's like in my era. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I come from where you know they put no no,
Speaker 1: no no no, like you know where you're coming to
Speaker 1: club and you fucking everything before well both for y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all sucking everything before include Hills because of cocaine before
Speaker 1: any include you because you because you caramels, so you
Speaker 1: can choose your side. You decide you life skin. You're
Speaker 1: not going caramel my life camel. It's like you to
Speaker 1: choose the side. You know it night skills popping the
Speaker 1: night dog skins popping them. You know, I'll come from
Speaker 1: ever where you know. You know y'all y'all getting actually
Speaker 1: just because y'all light skin. And it was like you
Speaker 1: know where your Westley's life stop that ship again when
Speaker 1: it was like me, but you see it was it
Speaker 1: was something like again like how he was talking about
Speaker 1: the flat top. It's something I had to talk about,
Speaker 1: something had to brand. I had to brand being dog skin.
Speaker 1: You what I'm saying, browner than Bobby, So want you
Speaker 1: to be my tender vhone. I only keep on, you know,
Speaker 1: saying dark skin and ship to make dark skins sex.
Speaker 1: Was that I go to work librics right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get the job done. I had to keep you know,
Speaker 1: saying dark skin ship you know what that was when
Speaker 1: Niggas was like Kane is gone but he was. She
Speaker 1: was in there with just yeah, yeah, I'm not man like,
Speaker 1: I'm a young think. I'm like, no, that that's for you.
Speaker 1: You were making a lot of money back there at
Speaker 1: that point. You got the job done. Absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, it was. It was fun like because do
Speaker 1: you think because I feel like you was like the
Speaker 1: first person to have like commercial success where people no
Speaker 1: no for you though llo and who didn'y Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I understand that, but both of those Okay, l L
Speaker 1: was like skinned for people purposes and then Hudini was
Speaker 1: a group. So you was like the first dark skin
Speaker 1: Brooklyn guy. Yeah, okay, look at that. Yeah, that looked
Speaker 1: at like the king of hip hop and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not to see that. She, like I said,
Speaker 1: that was something that I had to create, the whole
Speaker 1: dog skin thing. So now going back to Biggie, he
Speaker 1: took it to the next level. And see that's what
Speaker 1: this thing is all. You know what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 1: all about you know what I'm saying. What you know? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's like you know, like you know, okay, you learn
Speaker 1: this from here, okay, and then you take it to
Speaker 1: the next level. You learn from your predecessors and you
Speaker 1: take it to the next level because like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I made this dark skinned thing sexy.
Speaker 1: But my man Big said, however, yeah blacks, Ever, however
Speaker 1: I stay because it was like, yo, I lotch You know,
Speaker 1: I was in Birmingham, Alabama at a club and seeing
Speaker 1: this crispy, fat black dude at the bar, chilling with
Speaker 1: a cougie sweater on fasach shaped shades and to even
Speaker 1: just put the stamp on, the food stamp on he
Speaker 1: at the board doing the Biggie bop. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just and chicks is digging him. So it was like,
Speaker 1: be made fat dude sex symbols the fat dude the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Big perfective. First you took it to the next level.
Speaker 1: And yeah and pun that's another dude that was But
Speaker 1: you know, all that time you talk, that's my first
Speaker 1: time meeting him. You know. I was talking to Chris
Speaker 1: about that because no rivers my sons. I was telling
Speaker 1: him like, um that uh. When I when I met him,
Speaker 1: like he was just being funny. He was like, oh
Speaker 1: ship man, yo, big daddy, can't you bring the kids?
Speaker 1: That ship had me crying and left because it was
Speaker 1: like and honest, it was it was video John Blade
Speaker 1: video because it was like I've always been a pun fact.
Speaker 1: When I first heard him, I was like, finally, finally,
Speaker 1: somebody give him my man g wrap his props, you know,
Speaker 1: because I could I could hear the g rapp and
Speaker 1: then to see his videos and see that, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I don't want my ship just not like it was
Speaker 1: entertained and it was fun. I'm like, oh, he's gone,
Speaker 1: he's gone punk. When I saw like when I saw videos,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh he's gone. Forget him. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's mad. It goes back to the humor
Speaker 1: thing you were saying. But he was, yeah, Beach, You're
Speaker 1: the first thing I ever met you. When I walked
Speaker 1: up and I'm I'm such a super fan and I
Speaker 1: woke up to King and Kane says to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't like you, sir, thinking said to me, I'll
Speaker 1: never get it, said You'll didn't like you until in Rum,
Speaker 1: but I didn't wait for the until so I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this is my from okay, and then you said, you
Speaker 1: know the album because mind you world Board came out
Speaker 1: and he said, I didn't understand you in the world report.
Speaker 1: But then and then and then n R E album
Speaker 1: came out and he was like, then I went back
Speaker 1: and I revisited everything, and now I understand who you are.
Speaker 1: But then you know what my reaction was because I
Speaker 1: was just like, so offend because you're like, mom, you're
Speaker 1: like my favorite rapper. So I'm like, and t J
Speaker 1: Swan is the man and the Juice School. You don't
Speaker 1: remember telling you that, you know? He was like this
Speaker 1: think is good exact word. He was like, he's good,
Speaker 1: he's good. You know you remember t J Swan? Oh ya,
Speaker 1: what happened to t J Swan? No, no, no, we're not.
Speaker 1: We're not leaving this conversation. I can. First of all,
Speaker 1: let me pay something to m. It's amazing that you
Speaker 1: remember that, but I'm not gonna understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I knew you, you know, because it's like this, yere,
Speaker 1: you understand. It's like with me because of the wh
Speaker 1: my ears a trained, I'm always listening like lyrically first,
Speaker 1: and it's like when when when I'm I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this dude got some ship with him.
Speaker 1: And then I'm watching the way people respond to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like and it's like and I'm I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is dope. This is dope, because you see, you
Speaker 1: gotta understand. It's like the element that you created was
Speaker 1: something that was so fucking needed. A special education resource froom, nondert, No,
Speaker 1: we understand me. We have special education special but we
Speaker 1: have resource frooms. Understand me. What you did was something
Speaker 1: that was so fucking needed because it's like this here,
Speaker 1: how tough can you be? How tough can you be?
Speaker 1: At some point? If you that goddamn tough, then you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be listening to music. Music is relaxing, Music is fun,
Speaker 1: and you made it with the most thugged out tough
Speaker 1: nigga could enjoy yourself. And look, that's the reason why
Speaker 1: when I did my history right, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: artists was bis Monkey, not lyrics wise, not music content,
Speaker 1: but as far as having fun like this said, what
Speaker 1: are he said, He'll he'll stick a nose up his nose.
Speaker 1: Let's stick us fingure up his nose and put it
Speaker 1: on the basketball and the kid like that you wrote
Speaker 1: that letter. That's when that's when you know, I ain't
Speaker 1: know where I'm gonna deal with that. So when I'm
Speaker 1: righting him, I'll make sure I mentioned my asses everybody know.
Speaker 1: But that's the craziest thing was I had realten did
Speaker 1: my research, and I was like, I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: nobody has fun like bis Mark anymore like in this,
Speaker 1: in this, in this, in this day and time, and
Speaker 1: nobody don't have fun like I'm probably the only MC
Speaker 1: that inventeds what Bismarck represented like he just had fun
Speaker 1: and anybody laughed at him and they tried to make
Speaker 1: fun of him. And I don't give a funk if
Speaker 1: you laugh at me and try to make fun of me.
Speaker 1: I'm representing the hip hop And then but you you
Speaker 1: you you you you you you really bridge the gap
Speaker 1: and you you did something special. Thank you, I mean,
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's it's like, yo, you're having fun,
Speaker 1: You're got a dance track, you're sitting there. What what what? What? What?
Speaker 1: What the chicken? What? What? What? What? But but you
Speaker 1: and you're spitting gangster stuff. But it's it's in a
Speaker 1: party type flow. Goddamn like you you you you were
Speaker 1: gating a whole new lane. You're making the toughest making
Speaker 1: whatever you're taking it right now, change the subject before
Speaker 1: everybody stop capting. Wonder what I'm doing? Ok right there, God,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Have you ever looked at rap and you
Speaker 1: you was disappointed at one point? Like like, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the error right now or where because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day came. We can't take it
Speaker 1: away from the fact that you're you're you're, if not
Speaker 1: the king, you're one of the kings. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who can't have opinions or nowadays hip
Speaker 1: hop or middle hip hop or or later hip hop,
Speaker 1: but you're, fortunately it's one of them people that can
Speaker 1: have an opinion on any version of hip hop. Have
Speaker 1: you ever looked at hip hop? Was just like damn
Speaker 1: was ashamed at one point? Yeah? What what point was that? Um?
Speaker 1: Right now? Right about what I mean, It's like, let
Speaker 1: me just say this, I think that there are so
Speaker 1: many talented artists out there right now, um J Cole, Logic, Logic, Kendrickson,
Speaker 1: Um Rhapsody, Rhapsity Car. There's so many um um m, mom.
Speaker 1: Really know she's not news. I mean, you know, she's
Speaker 1: still shining. But I mean, as far as the new generation,
Speaker 1: there's so many out there's there's there's a lot out here.
Speaker 1: What's this calm calm, John Connor, No West what's a
Speaker 1: little Joey badass west Side Gun? But you see, here's
Speaker 1: my thing. There's a lot of other artists that's out
Speaker 1: here that's shining. And I mean, and I wish them
Speaker 1: continue to success. Right. I don't wanna hear that um
Speaker 1: little Yati or little what's it a little? I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear they broke and you know they fucked up.
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, know that they're safe and
Speaker 1: they still making money. I mean, I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you. There was a time, you know, the late nineties,
Speaker 1: you know, thanks to motherfucker's like you, that ship got
Speaker 1: sucked up for me, you know what. I'm sadcuse was shining.
Speaker 1: So you fell out some hard times, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know it came back around and everything is good. And
Speaker 1: you know, if that came knowledge of you know, you
Speaker 1: don't know where you want to put your money and
Speaker 1: the right thing, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: like with the young casts today. I want to know
Speaker 1: that they're going to shine and that, you know, even
Speaker 1: if they career don't last as long as you know,
Speaker 1: as mine or as yours or whoever, that they can
Speaker 1: still be, you know, make money and do something lucrative.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to hear the stories about
Speaker 1: them going bro or where they now he's you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. I want to see
Speaker 1: them shine. So I wish there was that bridge where
Speaker 1: we could connect with them, you know, because I don't
Speaker 1: want your spot light. Look, I love going into a
Speaker 1: supermarket and someone big day. He came right, well, I
Speaker 1: drew up off your music man, you said, hey, good
Speaker 1: to me. I love that ship. I wouldn't want you
Speaker 1: in the supermarket screen trying to now I can't get
Speaker 1: the shot I need to. I gotta leave now. I
Speaker 1: like the piece of similarity that I have. I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: So my life is good. I don't want your spot
Speaker 1: I don't want to make that return to the top.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to make it, you know, another album.
Speaker 1: You know that's something that they were. The people would appreciate,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that would be cool. But I
Speaker 1: don't need to be who I was in I did
Speaker 1: that and it was fun. I was ain't coming home
Speaker 1: to my family now beautiful, that's what I like. But
Speaker 1: what I did back then was amazing, and I'd love
Speaker 1: to tell you how I did it, give you the
Speaker 1: blueprint so you can do it and walk that walk.
Speaker 1: M I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. This is
Speaker 1: my message to the younger generation. Regardless of what any
Speaker 1: mighty tell me. I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend.
Speaker 1: I sit and chop it up with you. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what's really good, how to be what you need
Speaker 1: to be, how to separate yourself from the bullshit and
Speaker 1: establish yourself as a start. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to put me on nothing. You
Speaker 1: don't have to put me on one single track. You
Speaker 1: don't owe me nothing. I don't want nothing from you.
Speaker 1: Was that I was value, wasn't Jake? Yeah? Yeah? He
Speaker 1: always old, dirty bastard, positive k shy him and everybody else.
Speaker 1: I fun wouldn't throughout my career. Real nigga king with
Speaker 1: King stands for again. Oh King, Nobody, nobody King agiatic,
Speaker 1: nobody tell you something better? Uh? Things you did? I
Speaker 1: remember running around? Uh uh. I was born in seventy seven,
Speaker 1: but I used to run with a dude name hit
Speaker 1: Hard Talk hare Tad had eight nine. We had a
Speaker 1: at Jetta with the white convertible top and the white
Speaker 1: cream seats in there, and motherfucking the vanilla pine trees.
Speaker 1: You know, the ship, the air freshen Us, And that's
Speaker 1: all we would do. They just run around from a
Speaker 1: d eight eight ninety. Let's just run around. Listen to
Speaker 1: your music. And the fact that I could come here
Speaker 1: with you tonight and honor you and salute you and
Speaker 1: tell you face to face, man and man that you're
Speaker 1: the man, your guy that helped raise probably ninety five
Speaker 1: of people in this building because they got people like
Speaker 1: Twin and they you see that stermoid twin. Look at
Speaker 1: the difference, can see that stermoid twin. That's another twin
Speaker 1: And you helped raise us. And there's nothing more that
Speaker 1: we want to do is to continue to port you.
Speaker 1: And when you're going toll you hit me and here
Speaker 1: fin up, let us talk about it, let us blow
Speaker 1: it up, because there's there's there's a lack in our society.
Speaker 1: And when I say society, I mean hip hop, meaning
Speaker 1: that when a person gets of age, they want to
Speaker 1: treat them like milk and have an expiration day. And
Speaker 1: I gotta be the opposite of that. I gotta use
Speaker 1: my power like Eminem use his power recently to refute racists,
Speaker 1: and he used his white privilege to fight racism. I
Speaker 1: gotta use my quote unquote privileges to still be relevant
Speaker 1: to show people why I'm relevant, because there's people before me,
Speaker 1: and there's people who pave the way that I respect,
Speaker 1: and then I'm that will always be about me. To me,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what I do. I could
Speaker 1: never be Big Dad he can. I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk what I do. I could never be slicked right.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what I do. Can never
Speaker 1: be Rock Him, I could never be Ep m D.
Speaker 1: You guys are what help pave the way for me.
Speaker 1: So as long as I got this platform, you motherfucker's
Speaker 1: will always be above me in that saturation because we
Speaker 1: love you and we're gonna continue to motherfucking represent all
Speaker 1: legends right here right, I don't I don't give a
Speaker 1: funny about ratings for now. We don't give a fun
Speaker 1: This is what we me and this motherfucker right here
Speaker 1: shout out to do you see his bed is very destructive.
Speaker 1: What the funk he wants to do over him just
Speaker 1: for men? Offer them just for men were trying to
Speaker 1: get just for men ads. He don't give a funk.
Speaker 1: He's just like, I'm just gonna be who I am.
Speaker 1: And that's you know what. I was just in d C.
Speaker 1: Last week for Donnie Simpson, for the fan of sight
Speaker 1: the Betes. Yeah, you gotta go to Eddie LeVert. Ruth
Speaker 1: told me that I need to get get me some
Speaker 1: just from that. You seventy who nine got to be
Speaker 1: like by seven p fool of nobody. He should he
Speaker 1: should slick died and slick to the fry six of
Speaker 1: the side. I mean, I mean listen before you no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's like that. Keep in mind, I mean who had
Speaker 1: a shop up here line and bed than Gerald LeVert
Speaker 1: had that Beijing. I think Joel LeVert was just Joe.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that old Joe? You know Joe was young when
Speaker 1: he passed. Hey, Joel, wasn't that old. I think that
Speaker 1: was just a bother nothing. Beijian didn't existed, Yeah, ain't
Speaker 1: didn't existence. I feel like, I feel like I can't
Speaker 1: got a Bobby Brown story before you get out of here.
Speaker 1: You of body Brown story. Bobby Brown. I mean, I
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of Bobby brother. You know, you
Speaker 1: know that we're here for Body Brown. Give us, give
Speaker 1: us the best one. Give us that was. I mean, nah,
Speaker 1: stop doing this, you don't do that. I'll give you
Speaker 1: my most mature Bobby Brown, stuffy I've never heard of.
Speaker 1: You haven't anybody Brown stories. Wendy Wendy Williams party and
Speaker 1: we were performing. This was the year that Trey songs
Speaker 1: that just came out, and me and Bobby was performing
Speaker 1: for Wendy Williams party. And you know, Pridate, we're over
Speaker 1: in the v I p just kicking it and I
Speaker 1: had like a great mint and I had it, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting up on this thing behind me, and some dude
Speaker 1: came and sat up on the thing on my men
Speaker 1: and he just they're just chilling. But I didn't see him.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm you know doing what I do. I
Speaker 1: didn't even see him, Bobby saw him, and Bobby just snaps.
Speaker 1: So I come over there like yo, you know, he like, YO,
Speaker 1: motherfuck up on your music. And dude, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I apologize, I'm not. I'm like, you know, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no worries, no worries, don't want about it. And I
Speaker 1: moved it, push a little further back up in the
Speaker 1: corner and love not like that. And Bobby just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: the funk happened to you? Man, You're cool with that.
Speaker 1: You You're just gonna let that it bron like Bobby Man,
Speaker 1: we've grown man now. Man, you know I don't feel
Speaker 1: like fighting in the club over men coat. You don't
Speaker 1: want to let it up, all right? Neg? Yeah? He
Speaker 1: was like I neg. You know, it's like I don't
Speaker 1: know how if you know, Bobby, if you're right with them,
Speaker 1: Bobby wild boy Man, wild boy, wild boys, give home
Speaker 1: me the beats, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Bobby's raiding
Speaker 1: at his hands over my coat, his coat, my coat,
Speaker 1: Bobby reading his hands go. And it's like that's what
Speaker 1: I like, I always be because it's like we've always
Speaker 1: had so many good times and I am automot normally
Speaker 1: wild ass ridiculous times, but I mean this is just
Speaker 1: one of movies like, yeah, I ain't fighting this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Let's be cool. Before we get about the hip cane.
Speaker 1: What's the one thing you missed about hip hop that
Speaker 1: you wish hip hop still just had? The one thing
Speaker 1: I missed about hip hop is variety. I really missed that.
Speaker 1: I really miss you know, you know, just people just
Speaker 1: vibing out on so many different things for so many
Speaker 1: different reasons, you know, because I mean you had, you know,
Speaker 1: your audience that was fascinated by drugs and play a
Speaker 1: ship that want to rock their truck. Jury you had
Speaker 1: your audience that was fascinated by conscious stuff that wanted
Speaker 1: to rock another medallion's you know, and can't they close
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. You know. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like you know, you you you know, you had generation
Speaker 1: that you know with the East Coast where I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like, uh, you know how we
Speaker 1: we we looked at easy eating them dudes as we're
Speaker 1: looking dude like we didn't we didn't we didn't understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know then when I went to l A
Speaker 1: and I'm at a gas station and a fucking and
Speaker 1: a red feline suit. And I get approached by a
Speaker 1: bunch of crips. They don't, you know, blow my goddamn
Speaker 1: head off because I had a flat top. They didn't
Speaker 1: recognize me as big Dad. He came. One of the
Speaker 1: dudes said, Yo, he must be one of the New
Speaker 1: York you know, East Coast dancing niggas. That's what he said.
Speaker 1: He was one of the East Coast dancing niggers. Because
Speaker 1: I mean they had me. It was nothing I could do.
Speaker 1: I mean it was about ten twelve of them. They
Speaker 1: just swarmed on me out of at a gas station.
Speaker 1: I'm pumping gas. I'm out there and and like I'm
Speaker 1: like and like maybe like a rental bins balling pumping
Speaker 1: gas and read feline sweatsuit and crypt territory. You know,
Speaker 1: they had me. There wasn't nothing I could do. You
Speaker 1: remember we was that we was ball Hills. I don't
Speaker 1: remember exactly. I mean, yeah, I mean wherever I was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, they had me, you know, if they
Speaker 1: wanted me, I was there for the taking. I mean
Speaker 1: red felie sweatsuit, red felies and yeah, but they pulled them.
Speaker 1: They saw the flat top, and it was just like
Speaker 1: and they heard I guess I heard my slang like
Speaker 1: maybe you know, no, man, you know we're go ahead
Speaker 1: on me. He probably won them East Coach Dancing niggas,
Speaker 1: you know. But I mean it's like that's that's what
Speaker 1: That's what made it dope, because you know it's like
Speaker 1: you know, um, easy king te you know iced tea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they all had you know, this story and hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know that was different than hours, man. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like that variety, that variety, ain't there no more? Man, everybody,
Speaker 1: It's like you turned the ready on. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour song a marathon, not a marathon.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a twenty four hour song, like the
Speaker 1: same song last for twenty four hours at once. All. So,
Speaker 1: do you think that is the best best I'm drunk
Speaker 1: now the best era hip hop? Do you think is? Like?
Speaker 1: What is the best era hip hop? In your opinion? No? No, okay,
Speaker 1: Like well he asked me earlier. I chose that late
Speaker 1: eighties as my favorite era favorite But you know, what
Speaker 1: do you think? I don't know, because you see that's
Speaker 1: it's like I got a lot of respect for the
Speaker 1: mid nineties as well, because Puffy did something amazing in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties. Because in the early nineties hip hop
Speaker 1: started to do this, it started transforming this whole gangster thing.
Speaker 1: When the West Coast started doing the gangster the East
Speaker 1: Coast started following into and everything became so gangster right,
Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, you go to a
Speaker 1: party like I hate it. Like I started flying to
Speaker 1: Chicago going to stepping sets to have a good time
Speaker 1: because I couldn't enjoy myself in was the most dangerous
Speaker 1: place for the planet. No, but I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, I mean probably even then too,
Speaker 1: but early nineties, I'll go to you go to a
Speaker 1: stepping set just to have a good time, because I
Speaker 1: go to the party in New York and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at using the crowd just no, no,
Speaker 1: nobody want to dance. Somebody's from screw phase and bought
Speaker 1: the head. I'm not I ain't come here for that.
Speaker 1: Chicks and chicks dressed like dudes. You know, nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to put no sexy ship on, like you know, like
Speaker 1: fucking your ass with no no, no, no band dan
Speaker 1: on ye, you're not doing a party. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: did nothing. You know. It's like I didn't get it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I didn't get it, but
Speaker 1: did hit this dude Puff. He takes like Biggie in
Speaker 1: the locks and he like, okay, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: good ahead, talk your gangster ship, but do it over
Speaker 1: this disco pete for me. So now all the people
Speaker 1: that loved all the thug stuff, you get to hear it.
Speaker 1: People who love the party got something to dance it.
Speaker 1: So he figured out a way to make the two
Speaker 1: mesh where you can be as gangs as you want,
Speaker 1: but the people don't want to have a good time
Speaker 1: at a party can still party. I never thought of
Speaker 1: it like that, you know. So I got a lot
Speaker 1: of respect for what Puff did for hip hop in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties is well, because he created some ship
Speaker 1: with It's like you got gangster rampers spitting their gangster
Speaker 1: ship over disco and club party beats. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, even though I may not be in a
Speaker 1: move to stick a nigger up or sell sell a
Speaker 1: bunch of keys or none of this stuff, that's beef
Speaker 1: rocking like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: I mean that I thought it was great too. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's make some nest. Yeah, man, I can't thank you enough.
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Speaker 1: Come on, that would be amazing. If you think Daddy
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