WEBVTT - Episode 112 w/ Big Daddy Kane 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.120 And his drink chas motherfucking Podcast Mason. He's a legendary 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.599 queen's rapper. He's like Green is your boy in o R. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.680 He's a Miami hippop pioneer. Up his dj e FN. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.200 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:30.360 players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.760 one source for drunk fast drinks Mother. Every day is 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.520 New Year's Eles. Time for drink champs, drink up Mother Mother. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.800 But he could be hopefully we should be shr boy 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.080 in R one up his dj e F and his 0:00:49.200 --> 0:01:00.000 drink chance more happy and right that's longer than every 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.880 right now. When we started this show, we said we 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:11.880 wanted to honor and you know, salute living legends. And 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.679 when we can speak of the guests that we have 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:19.000 right now, there's no equivocations. There's no type of doubt 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.720 at all. How legendary this guy is. He is single 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.040 handedly control the rap game. Put Brooklyn on his back, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.240 put New York City on his back, put a hip 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.920 hop on his back, has represented, has done, has to 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.920 travel across the world, took the Princess with Madonna and 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:40.000 and that now even came over. And he's the only 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.640 guy I know that got away with the speed though, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.279 and he's still he's still the coolest guy in the world. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.480 When you think a smooth operator, you gotta think of him, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.440 and I gotta ask him what it makes him be 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.880 a smooth operator. And in case you people don't know 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.040 who we are talking about, we got Big Daddy came 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:06.880 and man, we're so excited to have you listen. I 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.280 don't know because I pulled up some whole lyrics and 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.799 during her on, guy, so I got during her on. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.840 But we also know that you nobody got up. We 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:22.280 got you red wine. That's your thing right there. Exactly 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.600 soon as I pulled it out, I thought, we got 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.239 you to you know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, we 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.960 made you switch you on to red wine. Um well, now, honestly, 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.119 I was messing with the remy you know what I mean, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.400 You know that sugar from that It was just putting 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.079 too much weight on Yeah yeah, Kanye, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.800 I was doing that. Realmy liked like me and my 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.040 my dude like we were like knocked down, like maybe 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:51.160 like a two fifths a night. Yeah, yeah, I drink Champs. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.639 It's the whole time we've been on drink traps were 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.640 on a hundred in summer episodes. Never popped the bottle 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.280 of dawn. I'm popping it in the rememoration to you, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:08.239 my brother for motherfucking big Daddy King. I'm popping a 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.320 bottle of This is an old bottle to look at that, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.680 and we're even doing the slow mo. Yeah, I mean, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.560 I'm sorry you. Yeah, I think we need to you 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.440 have such a long career. Yes, um, I want to 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.080 take it from the beginning, like what was inspired you 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.440 to get just just to start spinning period? You know, honestly, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.440 it was something that I got into at you know, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.480 the younger, at a young age because of an older 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.440 cousin I looked up to, you know. I mean it 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.120 was so it was that type of thing that got me. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.520 I got open up. Yet it was it was something 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.760 you know, my older cousin was doing, so you know, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.840 I just didn't really just to be like him. And 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.839 he told me, like, you know, you know you're too young. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.360 Was he making records? No, No, it's just just you know, 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.600 just him and two of his boys around the way, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.400 you know, the best side. You know, it was like 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.560 a little rap group for three man rap group and 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.600 he told me I was too young, like now, you know, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.560 you know when you get older. So then from that 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.400 point my mission became to be better than the other 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.440 two dudes down with him. So I started off frightened 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.040 battle rhymes you feel me, and that's what I was 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.839 doing them. When I felt I had it right, I 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.520 went in battled the two dudes down with him, beat 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.479 them much older than you. Yeah, yeah, I battled them 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.040 and beat them and then ask them can I be 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.400 down now? You know? Oh I got notes and ship nigga. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.760 But okay, so you battle them now you're just doing 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.480 it on the block. You just you're just been as 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.640 a hobby. Yeah, pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. So how 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.599 is it that you get to to where you become 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.040 big daddy kids? There is there is there a persona 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.760 before Big Daddy Cane. Did you have another name where 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:52.440 you did you like? But I'm certain that you went 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.279 through a couple of days maybe well before Big Daddy Kane. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:00.680 It was just mc kane. Yeah, just mc cane kid. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.120 All right. So now look I'm speaking to my good 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.160 brother Fat Joe today. So Fat Joe calls me and 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.520 I'm mad Hike. He's like, yo, I said, yo, I 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.000 got Cane on today. So he said, bud Wise is 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:16.120 super fast? What class? He said, He's mad? Did I 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.239 asked you this question? Bud Wise a super fast? Biggie 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.440 and Tupac actually came out the only time that people 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.560 the footage of Biggie and Tupac's got a famous record. Yeah, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.520 actually no, Foreman Brooklyn, that were that one. You know, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.160 if Fat Joe told me that they were they, that 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.000 wasn't even they set they were coming out with Cane. Yeah, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:39.560 that was Joe was next up to rhyme when they 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.920 gave me to wrap it up, like you got five minutes. 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.200 So I wasn't able to even bring Joe on. But 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.880 Joe standing with didn't the Mike Verniet. You know, Joe 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.000 still me to wrap it up. Joe still was like, man, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.520 if I would have condo say, he said, day norry, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.600 but he still sat lot had five more minutes, he 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.800 would have been on there. You know what, man. Let 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.560 know the first time you met jay Z. The first 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.800 time I met jay Z, um it was back and 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.120 I want to say eighty eight maybe UM there was 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.400 you know, they was like um in the early eighties, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.760 mid eighties, like you know my name was popping in 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.520 Brooklyn for battling people. But there was one dude whose 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:26.599 name was bigger than mine. Um, this guy named Jazz. Yeah, okay, cool, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.160 like he was more popping. And then to top it off, 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.120 to make matters worse, um dude around the corner from 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.520 me on Fresh Gordon that had a Gordie Groove record. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.960 Fresh Gordon did a mixtape with Jazz and I lived 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.400 around the corner for him. So I'm like, you know 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.280 you're gonna get a Massy Cat when I'm right here 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.360 from Green or No no, no, no, no, I'm I'm 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.880 from louis A two blocks from Rose of our projects 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.920 in that side. Um, so I'm like, you know you're 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.080 gonna get the Marc Cat instead of do right around 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.120 the corner. So now I'm really pissed. I'm like, me 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.440 and this Jazz dude go after the battle. We're gonna 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.240 have the battle. So about wine, Sophia, none of that 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:02.919 out at this time. No, no, no, no no, this 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.400 is like this is one of us had deals. Neither 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.960 one of us had deals, and it just never happened. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.080 Like I tried to, you know, find the jazz we 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.240 it never happened. Then here I am what I do, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.480 have records out, and I get a call from the 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.680 Shirt Kings and yeah, and they say, yo, we want 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.280 you to do a mixtape at Gordion Crib with Jazz. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.040 And I'm like, well, if it's a battle, yeah, I mean, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.240 I'm making records now, but that's that ship still was 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.920 eating me up, you know. So you say it, you 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.120 say it. Back then, battling was like more important to 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.600 even getting on the record with a person, like actually 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.920 battling the m c well, I mean, you know that 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.360 basically the record person was was great too, but like 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.800 I said, this was something personal, you know. I mean 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.440 I love Jazz now kind of respect for you know, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.520 but I mean, yeah, this was something personal there, you know. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.120 So it was like, yeah, we can do it if 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:02.040 we battle. And then when I get there on Grody Crib, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.880 you know, he's like na, na, na listen or you know, 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.880 Jazz ain't with I mind no more. So we just 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.640 wanted to, you know, like do something. I maybe y'all 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.160 do something together, you know what I'm saying, Where he 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:12.960 can you know, really shine and whatnot. You know, we 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.320 you know, get the prop a new deal. So I 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.400 was like alright, cool, okay, And then Jazz asked me, yo, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.040 can my man rhyme on it? Right? And I'm like, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:28.080 you know, I don't care. This is so we did 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.800 to join me Jazz and jay Z. And then afterwards 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.720 do from the shirt king He was like, yo, um, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.760 you think maybe you can take Jazz up to Coach 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.040 Chilling and maybe try to get him with deal, you 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.679 know something red label for young boys continue. So I 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.240 told I told him, you know, I mean to be 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.000 honest with you, I kind of like the skinny Lights 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.080 skin nigger better, you know, coking about jay Z, about 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.080 jay Z and um, you know, from that point, you know, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.360 me and Jay got hooked up, and like I was trying, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.559 you know, I tried my artist, you know, to get him. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.880 Um um, you know, a deal with several different labels. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.880 You know, just things just didn't work out. But Lucky 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.319 do smart enough to you know, figure out the way 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.800 to do it on his own. You know. Yeah, But 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.120 when you just inter Jack for one second, Daddy Kane 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:20.760 is the first guest that came with their own cork school. Goddamn, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:25.240 some classy guy. Mann. You wouldn't expect anything, you know, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.440 I wouldn't need to listen. Listen, in my mind, who 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.280 was gonna drink domp perryon? So I still got two 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.520 bottles of dog perry On just in case you want 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.280 to be in this what is? What is? What is? Um? 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.679 I'll get back to the jay Z thing later. But okay, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:44.640 you wrote the Vaporist correct for BIS Marketing. Okay, come on, guys, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.600 we need everybody to shut the hell out please. So look, 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.720 this is prior to you having your own records, is it, Yeah, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.480 because that's how I heard. I heard that. That's how 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.880 you kind of got on, like you was writing for 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.440 BIZ and rock Shan Shawnta. But what's been like the 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.400 first record that you wrote for that blew up? Was 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:12.040 it the vapors Uh? You got the Vaporist? Um? It was? 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.760 It was now the first with some of um some 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:21.200 of nobody beats the BIS. This came to me, you know, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.040 he was like, you know, yeah, I got this. UM. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.000 He told me doing the thing like using the Wiz 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.960 song and he got this floating like he wanted because 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.719 they you know, he was like, you know, let it 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.400 flow like that and you know, just put something together. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.599 So that that was the first you knew that you 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.000 knew you could think like somebody else, like that's what 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.760 I mean. That was pretty much around this most of 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:51.200 the time. Like you already Juice cres No, no, no, Bis. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.760 You know he was Juice Crue but not me, you know. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.720 So how did you meet this? I met bis um 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.280 through to a cat in Long Island. Um, it's the 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.240 Long Island named Wayne. Was dating my cousin Nikki. And 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.160 whenever you'd be around, he'd always be telling me about 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.320 this dude named Bis Markey d Biss Markey, d is 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.240 bis market d that you know. So I just such 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.480 a sun. So one day he came because my grandmother 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.280 lived right across the street from now Be Square more 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.320 so my first golfront for Square More throw that out there, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:25.160 all right, it's up in the basement. A bunch of 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.600 took me there were out on my people from Fabrica. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.480 I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, you gotta 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.280 gotta mention that. I gotta do that. Yeah, But I mean, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.840 you know this time, you know, he's like, yo, my 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.400 man business in the mall. You know, he was just 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.040 beat boxing two and all this and stuff. I'm not 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.400 hearing them all right now, let me meet him. But 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.079 I'm like, I need to understand something. After the day 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.440 when I eat his ass sucks. From now on, you 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.480 go to this BIS market, d dude, you tell him 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.960 about mc king. So we went over there. I asked business. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.199 Battle were battled, and after the battle, Bisiness like, Yo, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.120 you're dope, man, you should get down with me. Um. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.120 If you get down with me, I promise you, man, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.640 we're gonna make a record one day. Man, business big 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.720 as this time or he's just no matter of fact. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.800 This wasn't even down to use two then. Yeah, he 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.520 was actually just rocking with the Mike and Dave Cats 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.960 doing parties and like all of them b X and 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:26.440 Long Island. Yeah wow. So now let's let's take me 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.960 in the mind frame the Vaporists. Did somebody shoot on you? 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.880 You wanted to just get them back in the music. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.679 I had nothing to do that. Oh that was big 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.160 out there. The whole thing is bigs out there. Like 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.960 bis was like him in mind like when you were right. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.520 He came with this, told me, yo, remember you were 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.200 telling me that story about you, you know, your family 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.920 member whoop, you should write about that, you know, And 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.720 he was like um and talked to um. Cool v 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.240 talked to Swan, you know, like like you know, and 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:00.960 you know, I just talk with them and you know 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.640 they told me different stories about you know, cast and 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.360 try to play them. They've been sweating them down, you know. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.040 So who came up with the actual word vapist bitch like? 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.880 And it came up one day in the Alba Square 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.920 moll y'all could play bills in the movie right, keep 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:23.280 it real? No, I wouldn't do that. I was like, yeo, 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.800 I played this. I don't know, but real talk doing 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.720 another note though, I think that you are a hell 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.920 of an actor. No real talk. They did a great 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.800 jobs and plays. Go now what is now? What is this? 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.679 What the kind of red one is this? If it's 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:42.000 described it's sexy ship, it's called clear, it's a Spanish 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:47.439 red um, it's it's um. I believe seventy monestrail which 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:56.839 is Spanish grade and seventy Spanish Sophistish cable. Have you 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:04.040 got we got something? So? All right, you guys, you 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.280 write the vaporus the song blows up. Let me ask 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.240 you a question before I go into depth with that. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.000 How come business looked at like a real m c 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.400 and Drake isn't I don't know. I mean, you know, 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.320 it's like, here's my thing, which I've always tried to explain. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.680 It's like, you know, once you cross that line, you 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.000 signed that paper, you know, you cross that line. What 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.280 you mean, well, I mean it's like you know, on 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.000 the street, you and MC. But once you sign that 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.680 are making records, you're an artist. You know, it's really 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.480 where you want to go with it, you know. I 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.560 mean with me, I've always tried to walk to fine 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.120 line and do a little bit of both. As an artist. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.080 I try to make music for men and women, you know, 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.360 touch on b and keep the neighborhood ship as well, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:55.040 but also spit battle cats and do real m c ship. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:56.840 You know, I was trying to walk the fine line. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.520 I mean it's like for someone like big business and 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.400 artists who makes, you know, some of the most funniest 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.600 records that make you enjoy life, you know. So I 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.480 mean with Drake Um doing this, you know the same thing. 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:12.640 And if he does have cats righting for him, I 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.920 have I have no problem with that. I mean, you know, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.840 I think that makes him a great artist because I 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.440 don't look at best no less than an artist. I 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:25.160 don't look at uh Easy Easy actually said on the record, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.400 he said, um ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:34.200 and for some reason it didn't bother me. But I 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.640 found I was even a dope wound puffle. I don't 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:41.280 rhys write. So how come these people don't tick off 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.240 the average fan but Drake does? You think it's because 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.560 Drake is so high at the level, like you, you 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.800 you got the experience to be that the only guy 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.920 at one point? Do you think that's the reason why 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.280 Drake receiven so much because probably could see a sex semple. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.560 He was a sex of too. That's my point. You 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.440 know what they don't want the dude can imagine you. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.600 You're not gonna chick down, You're not gonna beat friends 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:16.480 too long. You made it hard from out there people down. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.840 But then this ever say like I'm the l s MC. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.440 Did he ever like, was that ever his his thing 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.880 that he put out there? No? I mean he may 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.800 have said it like you know rhyme and you know 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.120 if the don't you know, but I mean, you know, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.280 because I think that might be the difference between a 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.440 dude that considers himself an em C, a battle MC 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.680 versus and just being a good overall artist. Some of 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.280 them are gonna put themselves out there that way. I mean, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.560 you have a lot of cats out here that's making 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.760 amazing music that I think are great artists. And I mean, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.680 you know, I don't think that they should be looked 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:54.000 down upon because you know, they have writers. But at 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.680 the same time, if that's your thing, then I don't 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.600 think that you should be considering yourself. You know, a 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.040 real m c you don't take the time of rapper. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:07.600 Ain't nothing wrong with that, you know. That's well, that's 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:12.520 well okay, so now you get to talk about the papers. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.760 So now okay, so after the Vapors come out, right, 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.399 are people checking for you now because they know you? Like, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.080 is it is it? Is it worth of mouth that 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.720 they know you woke this record? So is that like 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.600 not really? I mean, um, I think that down the 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.359 line people you know, uh, you know found out that 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.399 I was writing you know, um for Bis and some 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.520 of the stuff for Shanta. You know that came like 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:41.000 um down the line um, and those records took off 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:49.040 immediately when they came out. Yeah yeah, vapers, Yeah, yeah, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.359 they take started off. Come on, one of your old niggers, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:59.800 tell me, can you feel it. We were in the mall, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.720 walking around the mall, this here bad ship live and 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.200 trying to you know, get that for a long time school. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:11.000 Yeah and big you're not chilly business. He behind her, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.359 just walking around, just just making up stuff like you know, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:19.879 like you know, like like Superman, Joe Olvers, scrapers. This 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.280 girl here she caught the Faithors. He just kept saying 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.760 stuff like that, and I'm gonna, what the hell is 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.520 you talking about? She caught the Faithors? She I'm saying that, 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.399 you know. And that's when he started in then taking 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.040 feeling nothing can save you because this is the season. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:44.800 Come on, Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna go through some 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.719 Kane wins today. God damn it. So now all right, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.920 So when was the actual move where you actually felt like, Okay, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.560 I'm making progress to getting on, like because you said 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.439 you just said that people didn't really take notice that 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:05.399 you're writing the record. It was it all? Let me 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.960 see what was oh? Um, it began when Nobody beats 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:15.280 the BIS, which was for the Vapors. Actually um the 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.600 data BIS brought to beat. He was going on, I 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.520 think to another record store to get the Steve Miller 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.080 Band part for um. So he asked me to what 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.239 and I'm like, yeah, I gotta test today, man, I 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.440 can't you know your right right now? You know. So 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.760 he went on and walking to the store and I 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.400 went to school. But after school I took the train 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:42.480 to Marley Faib and Queens and when I got a story, 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:47.240 a story, yeah, he's blowing up. Yeah. When I got there, 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.760 BIS wasn't there yet. So you know, with Molly, he 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.600 like cracked the door with the chain on it, and 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.960 you know, your bin't here. I'm like, while calling me 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.600 to man, he's like here, I'm like, you know, I 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.639 wrote the train all the way from Brooklyn. Did you 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.240 know who Morley Mark was at the time on Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.800 I've been there before with the chicks because but he 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.400 was like, your business here, I don't know to tell 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.879 you money, no doubt. I'm like these rhymes he supposed 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.840 to say today, just let him know. I came through. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.199 Then he was like, you're writing big stuff like I 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.960 wrote that, you know. He talked the chain off and 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.760 was like you know, you know how this go, you know, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:25.960 And I was like spitting a little bit up. He 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.160 was like I think I think he asked me, did 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.960 I write and make the music? I was like nah, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:31.600 and he was like, you know, come on in, come 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.359 on in, and invited me in. And then like you 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.480 asked me, do I rhyme? I'm thinking I spit something 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.119 for him and he was like, Yo, let's work on something. Wow. Yeah, 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.440 what's the first work that you worked on. I'll take 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:49.480 you there, I'll take you there. Yeah, yeah, got there. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.760 I'm getting chills through my body. Got there? Old on? 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.120 I God, damn, my notes is going down? Up a second? 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.600 Has I want to talk about another sponsor that provides 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.879 a crucial service that helps uh. I mean folks like us. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.600 You know what small businesses, but I mean all businesses 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.200 of all sizes. 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It was pretty much because you know what 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.680 I mean we're talking about the time of this is 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:20.159 during um Rock Sands Revenge the Bridge in so Demo, 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:28.000 you know. So now, okay, so you make that record 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.919 with Molly, Now when what is the first record that 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:36.359 you felt like, wow, I kind of made it a 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:40.440 w here to bring Trump. Come on, come on, we 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.440 talk about your baby. Let's go. I know old Ka Lyris, 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.119 Let's go, baby, want a battle? We got let battle 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:52.200 right now. I know I'm gonna win. So row Let's 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.280 take me. Take me to that time frame. Well, I 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.879 mean it's eighty seven, I'm fresh off the drink with 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.760 Bids that I'm just finding with Bids shares y'all to 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:05.040 what club is popping them, I'm like, uh no, Quarters, 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:12.159 roof Tie Squad. Yeah, I mean it was like, you know, 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.320 we just fresh off that, just rhyding with bibs, were like, 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.359 you know, I got a song out and you know 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.280 I'm thinking that, you know, oh yeah, it's on now 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.600 because I got this just rhyming with Biss joint with BIS. 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.280 But since BIS started the song off everybody thought it 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.960 was BIS record, so promoters his booking bids like, you know, like, yeah, 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.800 he'll probably bring new dude with him. So I got 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.840 a song that they're playing on the Rappattack and on Alert, 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.800 but nobody's booking me. I'm home. Broke his hell, you know, 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.320 like I needed listen to my joint on the video 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.440 and then go walk their team blocks to go steal 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.960 Mrs pol Fish sticks because I ain't got nothing, you 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.359 know what I mean. So that's how it was. And 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.679 I'm begging fly Tie, you know rand Coach on records. 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.520 Can I do a song by myself? Can I just 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.119 do something with just me? He like, it's not time. 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.080 You need to let this record marinade for a while. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.720 You do. Then finally, I guess he gets tired of 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.040 me getting on his nerves and I went in like 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.600 Morley was. I was like, yeah, um, my man just 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.240 gave me to see him this Bobby Bird joint and 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.840 I found these Bobby Bird I was about to say, okay, 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:16.440 that's to all the drums. I'm like, yeah, my man 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:18.520 just gave me to see a Bobby Bird joint and 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.000 I found these here crazy horns from off the Black 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.320 season soundtrack, you know, and you know we we put 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:30.879 the joint together and that was that. Yeah, oh I 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.240 get my notes. They don't want to make great. I 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.639 don't want to make great right now, you got me 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.360 like the goose bumps and all that. This is real 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:44.760 ship man all right. So so not a juice crew 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:46.600 because we just you just touched on the juice crew 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:54.680 like me, right now, let's get even deeper. That's symphony session. 0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:01.080 How did that? Like? How did that go down? There 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.560 was um the night I did raw. I took G 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.240 after the studio with me and how did know rap? 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.360 I just can't say just juico. I just met through 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:14.560 juic school because it was like the well shure I 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:19.240 believe you may have had demo, yeah, but it was 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.199 like we was the two Yeah, we were the two 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.840 lyrical dudes and the crew waiting to get our shine 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.320 because everybody else was popping accept us you did, so 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.239 we're waiting to really get our shine. Ain't looking at 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.040 you like the two lyrical dudes? Is that's the way 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.320 y'all being looked at the time? Also that record correct 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:39.040 G and master as correct. Okay, So it's like you know, 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.680 when I had did raw, Molly brought the beat back 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.280 and me and G just did a little free style 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.560 off of it and Molly played it and a lot 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.880 of people was demanded like Yo played the Royal version 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.520 with Kane n G on it, you know, So Molly 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.800 was wait time out, Sorry you said it was just 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.679 first you and G on symphony. Yeah, well, because like 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.840 basically we round the off off the beat together and 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.560 Molly played it after Roll came out, so people were 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.280 requesting it thinking it was a remix. Molly played it 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.160 for a while, but then he stashed it and was like, Yo, 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.520 look I need you and to do the same thing 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.280 but for my album. So it's really just be a 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.960 song with me and J. Then eventually, I guess when 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.119 Marley is making the track of something, Craig heard it 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:25.080 and I guess told Marty he wanted in, and Marlly 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.840 came to me and I was like, you know, well, 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:28.840 you know, uh, you know, I like that duck ller 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.440 ship and you know, yeah, Craig my due. Yeah, absolutely, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.280 So then it was me, G and Craig. But then 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.440 the day we was filming the pictures for molly album cover, 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.760 after we got through, we went to morlly crib right 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.359 after the photo session, and he was like, you know, 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:48.800 this is my new artist, Master Ace, and um, you 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:52.560 know what we wanted. Yeah yeah, He's like, you want 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.040 to put him on the song. And I'm like, you know, 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.440 looking at Ace, you know, I mean, I love Ace, 0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:01.480 but like Aces with these big glasses. Right, So me 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:08.320 and g like we're sitting there like he wasn't convinced, yo, Like, dude, nah, 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.080 I'm like, yo, let's let's say we're gonna get some 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.399 pizza and get the fun up out of that was 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.000 the plan. But I guess we took you long, and 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.159 a got a chance to start spitting. And when he 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.800 killed it, he said its verse. You know, I was like, yo, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.280 Glass is kind of nice, man, like I'm kind of feeling. 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:34.720 So then then um, afterwards, um, Craig spit his verse, 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.239 you know, and then g came over and you know, 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:41.640 we were that that g rap list. You know, Glasses 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:45.160 first made me a little bit done, un crazed, you know, 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.560 so it was like, you know, we was like, yeah, yeah, 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.000 we we were messing with dude. We we we we didn't due. Yeah, 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.000 let's do this. So we did it. And then but 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.440 then g rap went and he said like, I don't 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.080 know what it is. This is like, maybe you can 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.640 tell me. It's just like a queen's thing, because like 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.800 he had like about a hundred and fifty bars. Man, 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:14.960 this was yeah, you know, and dude ran the real 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.520 or no, I'm serious, I'm gonna he ran the real 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.040 or so I'm like, so I'm not going there, you know. 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.800 So yeah, so you had to cut his rhyme. Um, 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.240 you know, just so I can even flip my verse 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.240 on what was the problem with you rock him? What? 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.360 What was it was? It was a you know, honestly 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.760 to this day, I would love to know, you know, 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.680 I mean, you know, I never I never had a 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.680 problem you know with Rock Kim And you know, me 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:49.240 and Eric B was like this. You know, when I 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.760 bought my first house, Eric B had a set of 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.800 keys um before I did because I was in l 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.320 A filming something. You know. So, I mean me and 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.440 Eric was cool. Um. I guess the type of thing 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.800 where people just wanted to know who was better, so 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:08.160 they would push to try to get to compare. You 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.920 got styles together, like because y'all go flaid back and lyrical. 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.880 I think it's really a lyrical thing. Like I think 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.640 Kane is lyrical. I think rides lyrical. But who's better? 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.640 You know that type of thing, you know, a competitive 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.080 thing you know which is which to me is hip hop? 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.160 You know, so you know I can understand and wanting 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:29.800 to see that. Do you do you do you when 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:34.120 you see like meat mal And and Drake going at it? 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:35.960 What do you say? What do you think of things 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:42.400 like that? I mean, I mean, it's my thing is 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:48.000 like this said. You keep it on record, it's hip hop. 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.040 You know, you take it off record now you turn 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:55.080 it into a contact sport. You know, Um, they can't 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.200 never have to slay somebody on the mic. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:59.800 you have to slay King. Let's let's throw it out 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.520 there on the micro or of the mic the mic, baby, 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:08.000 come on, well, Sime of the context. I battled, you 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.880 know that was my thing battling. So I mean there's 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.920 a whole bunch of rappers out battle. I mean, is 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.040 that your question? You asking me like like somebody know 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.600 I'm talking my own wax? Who did you slow? Oh 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.640 Na not? No, I never had you did? You did 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.479 not have time for that? Nobody wanted me, I mean 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:35.479 nobody wanted it. So now now now the slick rick thing. 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:41.280 Who broke this up? Was this APM D? Who was 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.720 it it was? I think it was was ep MD 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.040 or jermainely Free. It was one of them. They said, 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.120 slick of the bus thing, Yeah, the bus that y'all 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.160 have beef and slicker pull out a gunna trying to 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:56.240 shoot you. Is this truth? I would saying, yeah, my 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.160 arrows man, So I got I just gotta acted straight up. 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:04.440 It made me a little truth. But how did y'all listen? 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.000 This is a crazy thing. Listen right right now. If 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:12.920 a little um, you know, Curly had and uncle such 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.360 as such, half beef, we all know about it. But 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.720 back then we didn't have Instagram, we didn't have Twitter, 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.280 so it was an all word of mouth. So when 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.880 I'm hearing this and and I forget who called me, 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.280 and it was like, man, yeah, it's it's an EPND episode. 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.000 And it was like, yeah, you missed a whole bunch 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.880 of things like and I was like word, and I 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:33.880 had never I had never knew that. I had never 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:38.400 heard you go ask liquick, nobody that, nobody. Just keep 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.360 it clear. So back in the days, y'all have BEEP, 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.360 but it was not on the record. Yea, yeah it was. 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:48.320 It was some little mile stuff, you know, yeah, it 0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:53.080 was more or less. I guess about the tour issue 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:56.760 about the tour, the l Nitro tour, you know that 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:02.240 was No, it's nothing because it's you know what was 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:06.560 the problem over? Who was the problem over? Like um 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.800 the problems over the same thing um that epm D 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.280 was talking about when when y'all had him here about 0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:18.920 the order of the show. Oh yeah, because he was down. Yeah, 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.480 I see, I'll tell you something about king. I know 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.560 I'm telling the subject. But nikkas don't want to go 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.560 on at the kids side. Nikkas don't want to come 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.280 on at that ain't no half step, but I mean 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.760 they don't want to come on and all. Honestly, let's 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:37.120 just say this, yere slick Rick had an amazing show 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.680 and also he had the club bands, Mona, Lisa, Children's Stories. 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.680 He had an amazing show and E P m D. 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.479 I mean it was like the energy they brought on 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.120 stage was phenomenal, you know what I'm saying. I mean, 0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:54.200 like these dudes just had like crazy energy, you know 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.600 what I said For them to like not be doing 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.800 a lot of movement, you know, they had they both 0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:04.720 the coming to town from school show. He's turning around, 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.719 You're hit You're doing all like, hey, you give him 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:13.960 a y'all. No, no, no, but I mean, you know, 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:17.399 I mean I came from a different perspective. I think 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.680 me and you had this conversation over in London before, 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.759 Like I was saying, like, um, I'll tell you that. 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.920 I like, you know, Dougie Fresh came to one of 0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.359 my shows and you know, he saw me perform and 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.319 like we smashed it. This is at the World down 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.759 to downtown. Were just showing Douggie saw me smash it, 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.919 And I'm asking him what you think? You know, doug 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:40.719 is you know he's you know, you know, I mean, 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.680 you're no revils, Like you know what you know? I thought, 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:49.000 did you hut up? And you know yeah, But I 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.080 mean now, but it's like after I know I just 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.600 rocked it, I'm in my mind, I'm like, you know, 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.080 old school ass nigga just hate it. That's that's that's 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.440 what's up. That that's what's up. But then he it's like, yo, 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.799 won't you come by the crib, you know, let me 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.560 show you something. So we go by, you know, his 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.520 crib and he pulled out these on and back. I 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.279 think might have been Beta Max. I'm not even sure 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.799 what he was rocking then, but videos of earth Wind 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:17.840 and Fire, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd. You know, he's you know, 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.600 he's showed me what he studied and explaining how he 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.480 you know, transformed that into hip hop, you know, to 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.640 make him work at a hip hop show. And I'm like, 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.520 m So that next morning I woke up and brought 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:35.960 me uh James Brown video, Marvin Gaye uh, and Barby White. 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:41.640 Those are the first three up. I think this is 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.520 before VHS and you know, um yeah, and I start, 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.319 you know, um studying them and figuring out different things 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.040 to do on stage. So you see, my mindset wasn't 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.840 about how to make the dope hip hop show. My 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.360 mindset was about how to make a dope show and 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:02.560 make hip hop accepted. Um, I got I got another 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.919 question to ask? Who's flat top? Would and eighty nine 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:14.080 come on? Come on board? Okay, okay, you know, let 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.560 me take you so how much used to pay your barber? 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:22.799 Because he had your ship? Right? Your ship was? It was? 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:27.719 It was? It was how you calling this spatness perfecto? Well, 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.480 you know it was like, you know, I had a barber. 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.040 But then also school was nice with the clippers too, 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.560 So before we go on stage, I can always get 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.520 you know, you know what I mean. Then you had 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.879 to you have a flattop back then come on, man, 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.520 I had a flattop, but she didn't come out. I 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.319 was like my she was not like hand my ship 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.239 go through. I think I invented the gun because my 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.520 barber was just so fun up. You had had a 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.600 gun too. I had that I had. I had a 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.120 qual mape over that everything. I was a very hip 0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.480 hootka you know. So you think you put back it 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:07.040 down a little flats out. I think, um, I think 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.960 I may have made it popular by talking about it, 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.400 you know, because I mean it was something that, um 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.720 that I asked for from seeing Larry Blackman from Cameo. 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.200 So I wasn't the first to have it, you know, 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.920 and Kid from Kid and Play his joint was always 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.560 bad my ultimate, you know. But I think it was 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.360 just a matter of me always talking about it, you 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.160 know what I'm saying, like really putting a brand to it, 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.000 you know what I'm saying. No, but you were like 0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:36.600 the hood. Uh let me, let me say this. You 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:41.080 were like the hood, like you represented the hood. Like 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.919 when you were doing it right, people from the Hood 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.040 followed what you did. So that's what I'm saying, like 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.560 that the Hood controls the world. So we didn't we 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:52.719 didn't see the flats out from Cameo. Do you think 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.120 you don't? You don't think you just for the generation 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.239 you're talking about, for that generation, Yeah, I didn't watch 0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.520 Cameo on them. It's like not really like that. They 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:01.960 you y'all was my camp. I got you, you know. 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:08.759 So now, when was your experience like working with Cold 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.759 Chilling in those days? The Cold Chilling was like it 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.440 was damn there, like depth like Death Row or whatever. 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.400 Like you guys was like the first like hood label 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.880 that it was. It was ran by the Hood people. 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:24.120 So how was that experience? I mean it was beautiful. 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:27.440 I mean, you know, Deaf Jam without a doubt is 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.959 um you know, like probably the greatest hip hop label ever. 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:37.080 But Cold Chilling was unique because the artist was a crew, 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.279 you see what I'm saying. Definitely, I had a bunch 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.040 of pop artists. Cold Chilling had the Juice crew. The 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.560 artists were a crew. You see what I'm saying. And 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.319 it operated that way and with each one giving off. 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.600 You know, they're different, you know, forms of artistry. Dog 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.240 like um. You know you had me on the lyrical 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.920 stuff and the smooth players stuff, had g rap on 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.040 the gangster stuff. This is on the comedies, Shante on 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.800 the sassy mouth disrespecting every prose. You know, Shan is 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.839 the wild child on the Wild Cowboy. You know. Yeah, 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.280 it was like that Craig g you know, the baby 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.239 come up dude, you know, and only y'all was a 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.640 single artists and then became the Juice creup correct as 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.799 opposed to like Wu tang Wu tank was. Now we 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.880 were brought in as a like you know, as a 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.319 member of the Juice cool you know, because I mean 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.880 you know this was you know, the juice creul is 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.120 is you know, making a mistake. This is Mr the 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.920 Magic Thing. You know. It wasn't Shan or Shante thing. 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.520 It wasn't Molly or fly Ty thing. This is Mr 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:46.120 the Magic Thing. You know. So I mean I think 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:55.400 people like Shante Isn't will forever be you know, the 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.000 Queen of the Juice Crew, the one she is the 0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:06.520 one who made it popular because she was wax school 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:11.440 as sister Fastine. Okay, yeah, but yeah, she's want to 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.560 put it on wax, you know what I'm saying, where 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.319 we all could eat and make money off of it. 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:19.160 But you know what I mean, like like really a 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:24.040 rapid like she would make the Juice Crew blood. So 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.080 Seant forever be the Queen of the Juice Crew. 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I think I think I think you 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:53.120 invented smooth rap. And I think one of the people 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:56.239 who are still doing it and perfect this move wrap 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.920 is Jay Z. And he's director. Yeah, I think he's descended. 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.880 You got you got Madonna on this list? Yeah, I 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.080 got my dog God damn, yeah, you gotta go that. 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.400 I first off, I got pictures with is that you 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:14.040 got pictures? Is that Madonna and Naomi camp For real? 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:19.680 What do the legs spread? Ari? You want to put 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:23.799 them on? I mean that's how I knew. Just tell 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:25.880 us what a job? How did you end up? What? 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:27.719 We know how it ended up? But you ended up 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.759 in her book. The photo shoot. Let's let's go. What 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:35.000 was the photo shoot? Like brother, that was Madonna and 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.720 Naomi Campbell? Got damn? I mean the photo shoot was fun, 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.399 you know what I mean? God, oh my god, hold on, 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.080 hold on everybody see that for people on votes TV. 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.719 Hold on, I got one more somewhere. I think you're 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:58.840 done that post, Yes, can't come by now. The photo 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.000 shoot was live. I mean, you know it's like you know, 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.560 music playing food out and stuff. Now. That was for 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:06.640 her book, her book called sex. So it was for 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.000 her book. Yeah, oh Madonna, Yeah, it was a Madonna. 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.759 You're the first thing of the knockdown Madonna give me five. 0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:21.839 Let me listen, okay, listen, No he got no no no. 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:30.080 Me and Madonna never had sex. We just took never, no, no, no. 0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:34.600 We just took nude photos. That's what I think I remember. Yeah, 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.960 because you looked out a lot of things can't for 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.400 them too, not on the list. I mean, you know, 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:44.520 and I mean, don't get me wrong. Madonna. You know, 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.400 she's a beautiful young lady. And more importantly, she was 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.399 mad cool because you see the way we met, that's 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.640 what the whole because we met under different circumstances. You know, 0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.719 this wasn't about sexy, you know, freaky stuff. You know, 0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.200 like the way we met was uh me, Madonna calling 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:09.359 me bad was visiting hospitals. Yeah, so so you see 0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.960 where this is going. So we visited in hospitals kids 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.560 like this, you know, sick in hospital, gonna take pictures 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:20.080 with him, to sign autographs, and you know, these hospitals 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:21.440 are like going you know, on the east side of 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.640 man hat and stuff like this. While we did, you know, 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.360 they knew who Madonna was. They knew who calling me 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.720 bad was. You know a lot of kids in hospital 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:31.759 they didn't really know exactly who I was, you know, 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:35.000 because this was like you know, you know, upper class 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.480 you know, white children, you know, and Madonna is sitting 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.840 there like, you know, big daddy can't say how the 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:45.160 big Daddy came. He's a famous rapper. Let me say, hey, no, 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:51.440 and I'm liken my ship. You know, you know, like 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.120 like yeah, that was one of the movements for me. 0:47:53.880 --> 0:48:01.759 Do you think pop? Clearly this is just killing. Can 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:09.680 you see I didn't dispute dead Somber clearly his speakers 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.280 is one of my mama A lot of like that. 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:17.480 That's not me's idea. You please speaking. Let's keep it real, Kaine. 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.080 Did you smell its? Come on, we all smell it. 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:31.120 You didn't smell Let your hands right now. It's my diagrams. 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:37.719 Get two things? What they're doing with that? Let me 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.400 just tell you something. You listen, you got two of 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.520 the baddest woman arguably for two of the best of 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.440 the both worlds. I would have wore speed on to 0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.080 my brother I'm gonna because he definitely got the speed 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:56.920 on Leopard Crypt and all that. That's my nigger. What 0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:05.560 are you thinking, little Love the sneak? Don't you shot shot? 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:11.680 It's more like, you know you gotta wear with it 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:16.359 my name shooting real Brezy. I gotta little I think, 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:20.440 tell yourself game. They listen. We all looked up to 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.400 you in the hood and we was like, damn, like 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:25.720 in all mine I don't know you said you didn't, 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.160 but in our minds just like, yeah, you could bow off, 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.160 you could rap and you can fuck which bite bitches. 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.319 This is this is who we don't In the one, 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.040 it was like, oh ship, but daddy came and just 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.919 cut our eyebrows. So then we started kind of hops 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:51.520 again this person again. Literally, okay, let me tell you 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:54.040 how much how much your eric's that? Never again? What? 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.799 Never again? Whatever? Never again? Because how much old little 0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:02.680 took my dog? Okay here, look look, because they told 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.640 me you don't drink champagne or you don't drink it, 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.359 but I just wanted to give you a bottle dog 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:12.759 harry On for me. Tell you tell you know, I 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:14.520 appreciate it because in my mind I thought it was 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:18.120 gonna drink champagne because I just be looking at what 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.279 was the ain't a half stepping when you're in the ring. 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.160 You're in the ring, and I'm just in my mind 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:27.759 when they fed the water it was champagne. Well I'm 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.200 meaning for the money in the record, I do drink champagne. 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:33.560 It's your shot. I prefer wine, but I did drink champage. Okay, 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:35.880 all right, cool, Well you know listen, can I just 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:38.319 gotta throw this out there, every guest that we ever 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:42.520 had did a shot of something, right, so you would 0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.120 you would would you like to Joe walk shot one 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:46.960 shot or something? This is what I recommend. This is 0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:52.640 called tanger but semi herbal. It's semi herbal. This is 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:57.000 no sugar, just in case I don't know it's the 0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.279 right way to sell that. So I'm just saying, like 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.600 you know, some people, we worry about their sugar level. 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.680 This is it's a Chinese herb's we've been saying, and 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:08.880 a lot of something else. If you take come on, 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:14.680 come on, come on, you yes you do, Let's do it. 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:17.000 This is a big daddy came. He'd been hyping all 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:20.480 fucking week. Oh now we've been home, both been hype 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:25.919 because you know, Kane, there's no outlet for us. You hold, hold, 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:27.840 you get the size of these fu shocklas. Come on, 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.160 we don't come on. We gotta gotta yeah. Yeah, there 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.640 we go. There we go, there we go, there we go. Okay, alright, 0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:37.000 get one. So still Cane. You know when we me 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.640 and my partner we sat here and we said, you know, 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:42.680 we had had a radio show prior to that, but 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.120 on this radio show we were just playing around, just bullshit. 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.520 But we just sat sat back and said, there isn't 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:51.399 an outlet for our people are older statesmen, people who 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.239 put it in this work, people who did what they 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.840 had to do and to sit down and be saluted. 0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:58.839 So we want you to know that this is what 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.520 we're doing tonight. Big Addie came. First off, you raised me. 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.840 In case you didn't know it or not, you raised me. 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.399 I'm sure you raised half of these motherfucker's in their room. 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:09.160 And if you didn't raise these guys in your room, 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:13.080 their parents fuck to your music. And that's why they're 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:17.320 here right now. So you raised them in differently and definitely, 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.480 So I un directly, indirect indirectly, because I just want 0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:23.040 to say, big Daddy came, You should be saluted every 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:26.000 day or the motherfucking yeah, you're a virgo. We're gonna 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.400 get into that later. It's a timer temp correct. That 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:32.360 day should be big Daddy came, fucking holiday. Just do 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:33.880 whatever the funk you want to do on that day. 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:37.920 She'd be able to piss on your boss feet and 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:40.920 just and just come to fucking work and just do 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:42.680 whatever the funk you gotta do. But I don't know 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:44.120 if you know this is how we do it oky, 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:47.080 This is out of this tiger bone, this is drink chance, 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:51.080 motherfucking ship. And this is how big Daddy came. Oh you, 0:52:55.880 --> 0:53:02.120 it's not good at all they got, but it's smooth, 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:07.799 or it's smooth. Of course he would say, no can 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:13.839 I'm growing up, I'm following you. I'm a kid. How 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:18.239 do I become a smooth operator? You know? Lots of 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.600 times I talked to the youth about their career, and 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.720 it's like I always try to tell casts, you know that, 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:29.520 you know, you got to give your fans you You 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:34.520 cannot follow the trend, you know, because trends come and go. 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.800 So when that trend is gone, you're gone because you 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.880 was a part of it. There was nothing special about you. 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.480 There was nothing special that made them. You know, try 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.480 to dissocial dissociate you from whatever the hell else what's 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:50.480 going on. You have to be somebody that you need, 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.759 give them something original, something when they would they gravitate 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.600 to what you do, what you represent? You know what 0:53:56.600 --> 0:54:00.279 I'm saying, That's something I've always thought was important and 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.640 in an artist, you know, I mean you you you 0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.319 got to give them something special, you know, And I 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:10.719 mean all honestly, I feel like you've done that. You know, 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:12.960 I think I don't think you know that you will 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.680 cut out to be the smooth dude. You will cut 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:20.000 out to be what you are, and you wear it well, 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:22.799 wear it well. Thank you. You know what I'm saying. 0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:24.560 Makes some lows to me, can't make some to me. 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.319 You'll you'll twin you over here. You listen, you you wait, 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:35.120 your twin, you come in. Look listen. I'm sure you 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:39.240 was made up a big Daddy Kane record your average. 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:41.799 This is how you got it. This is my man twin. 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:45.439 He had a pace accident, but he's good not fail. 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:49.320 Excuse me, sorry, damn big daddy kid. God, damn it, 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.200 some loved kid. But he got us. He got us 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.920 popping dog Verry on twin, He got us popping dog 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:56.839 Verry Honest. Yeah, he come to the glass. And that's 0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.399 about it. You want to get one if you're gonna 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:03.400 keep your move. It sounded about hold on, take a 0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:07.720 second shot, take a shot of advanced that. No, But seriously, 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.480 I don't know who, like who really like to go 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.439 to movies and like really focus on scenes that deep. 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.120 But I mean, you know, when I was watching paydon Full, 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.640 I'm watching a lot of the people that had little 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:23.640 cameos and little spots in there, and I mean, like, yo, 0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:27.920 that scene with you, Yo, I mean you made it 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.120 all up. Yeah, But the whole thing is that you 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.719 stayed focused and you made your presence felt. You know 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.000 what I'm saying. You didn't just fall back and just 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:40.200 be a part of the script. You made your presence felt. 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.319 You know, you came across from camera great man, like, yeah, 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.520 I do love to see more ship like that. Man. Now, 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:50.759 speaking to movies, you did the Posse movie, how was 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.719 that experience, because that was like that was that was 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.440 like when we knew we thought like Dan Kane never 0:55:56.560 --> 0:56:01.920 coming back because I was like, was also looking like 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.120 her coming back like the I mean, I'm gonna be 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:10.360 honest with you. It's like, you know, I enjoy doing it. 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:11.920 It was the type of work that I wanted to 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:14.399 do because I didn't want to be on the big 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:18.200 screen being a rapper or being a thug because I mean, 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.120 you know, you don't see me do that in a video, 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:24.200 you know. You know, it's like that's the music life. 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.040 You know what I'm saying. If we act and then 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:28.759 let's act, saying, let me let me do something out 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:32.160 of yourself. Are like, yeah, so having to you know, 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:36.040 speaking you know, in a period voice and you know 0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:40.000 ride horses. You know, I mean I thought that that 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.799 was beautiful and I mean I I enjoyed that opportunity 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:46.759 big on much respects to Mario Van people forgiving me shot. 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:48.920 You know what I'm saying. But I tell you one 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:51.560 thing though, that ship was a culture shock like never before. 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:57.680 What you mean by that, I mean the set, the 0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:00.200 set life like you know, I mean, were you um 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:07.880 okay whoa queen? Yeah? Yeah, so just like Brooklyn. You know, 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:12.280 what we see on day to day basis is cat, rat, 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:16.960 dog we come out of. That's wildlife for us. You 0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.160 know what I'm saying. You know, you see a cat 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:21.160 and a dog in the daytime, the nighttime, you see 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:23.360 the vest come out. That's what we see. You know 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.760 what I'm saying. I will mention to the roaches. That's 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:30.959 really you know the extent of brother. I'm out there 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:36.720 nesting with tarantulas, scorpions. What y'a film is at Tucson, Arizona. 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:42.160 That's her movie and Tucson, Arizona. It's turrible. I get 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:45.200 my head cut off a fucking I die. I'm the 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:51.840 black guy back out blast like, yo, I'm timidus, I'm 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:57.200 out of the movie. IM sorry, I can't. Yeah, but 0:57:56.360 --> 0:58:01.280 that's crazy with peckers snakes. Bro. Let me tell you something. 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:08.360 Somebody asked you one time, like, yeah, I dude calling 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.440 on my door every morning five am and my dumbass 0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:18.080 getting to open it up there and somebody knocked. Real talk, 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:27.680 what pecker on schedule every morning? Real talk? No real talk. 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.800 Let me tell you something. Somebody asked me one time 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:34.520 about you know, like yo, why you never make like no, no, no, 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.880 no gangster ship man. And I was like, you know, 0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:40.000 because I mean I used the films they took him out. No, 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:42.320 they took me to gangster records. I never you know, 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.520 I never did know, you know, gangster ship. You know. 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:48.360 I mean I spit hard. It was not no, no, 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:51.960 I hardcore but not gangster. But I mean, you know, 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:57.880 I explained to myself, well, for one reason, there's um p, 0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:00.320 a girl that worked on the policy set that pull 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.479 my card real easy. And let anybody know, there ain't 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:06.280 nothing that that should ain't true. Because when we was 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:10.520 filming one day, we're coming off set. My dude, like 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:12.640 the people they're over there, like telling us to go 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:16.760 like this, to walk another way. They're whispering, and I can't. 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.200 You know, I couldn't have said what they're saying. This 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:20.680 is going on for a few minutes. Long story short, 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:22.760 I couldn't take it. The more. I'm just like, yo, 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:29.080 what they said, rattler. So I just took flight, like 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:38.040 now now listen, I'm running, but I'm a man, feeling mother, 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:41.200 but I'm a man. I got here's where they got funking. 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:44.960 The pie girl caught up with me and grabbed my 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:48.920 vesh like you know, savor, and I mean, you know 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:53.080 my dude, you know yo, I mean I remember being 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.640 at a party in Brooklyn where I took a chicken 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:58.120 through hunter speaker while they're shooting inside of the club 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:01.000 and I'm standing out. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:03.200 you know the gun that that stuff don't bother me. 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:08.880 You know a different thing. She grabbed my ris. I 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:12.520 started punching that shut up down. You know, said she's 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:15.040 showing me down. 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I'm 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:53.640 not gonna lie. I said, you know, we interviewing Kane, 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:58.960 Like fifty thousand just came through, and then it was 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:02.400 like I was debating, and I was like, that's not Madonna. 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:05.480 But I thought you and Madonna had did a separate 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:09.280 photos shop. I didn't know Campbell's in it, not only Campbell? 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:11.240 So how did you not get hard in the photo 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:14.800 shoot like I would have got? You know, I'm just saying. 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:18.200 I'm just saying you was it was he was already 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:22.280 Like I mean, you know, it's like, you know, at 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:25.200 a certain point in your life, you just get an 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:29.200 understanding about certain things and you just, I guess to 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:32.960 look at life differently because she got leg straight over 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:38.680 the other one right now, all the professor ship like, 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:43.560 holy molily, I'm just keeping it real, okay, all right, 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:46.640 Well I'm gonna keep it real. I mean, it's like this. 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:49.440 You know, I'm a Madonna fan. You know what I'm saying. 1:04:49.520 --> 1:04:52.280 You know, borderline physical attraction, all them joints. You know. 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:55.440 I've been, you know, rocking and watching the videos on 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:58.960 Friday night videos, you know. And she's a very attractive 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:02.200 young lady, you know. And you know your Naomi Campbell, 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:04.360 you know she's fine too. But I mean, you know, 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:06.280 at certain point in your life, after you don't did 1:05:06.440 --> 1:05:08.360 so much, you know, and you know, you know, your 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:11.320 mentality get a certain way. You know, sometimes you just 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:14.080 come to the realization that you know, the best pussy 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.440 you ever had is the pussy you never had, And 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:20.600 it's so much more fun just thinking about it. That's 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:29.800 that's ship. He gave me another season just now that 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.360 it was so over my head and sharp d you 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:35.120 know what I mean, let me bring it down to you. 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:39.600 Have you ever in your life bag the fine check 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:45.400 that was? I mean, built amazing, got it back to 1:05:45.480 --> 1:05:50.040 the hotel Dodo bird? Yeah, whack. You know what I'm saying, 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:54.000 Just whack Dodo bird, you know, like giving you them 1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:59.640 crazy psychotic looks or or can't do doggy style or 1:05:59.680 --> 1:06:02.800 you know, just just just everything just going wrong. You 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:05.520 know what I'm saying, You say, just don't ruin it. No, no, no, 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:07.960 What I'm trying to say is that. But it's more 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:11.040 exciting when you think I'm saying don't ruin it, but 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:15.640 by trying to bag it. Oh yeah yeah, okay, yeah, 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:20.320 exactly what's your illness? Groopie story? Can the abituate outside 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.200 your door with milk? For some reason, I just feel 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:28.560 like chickens outside you're doing inside like Poony Tang. You 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:33.960 never seen that because Kane Cane he was that. I guess, my, my, my, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:42.120 illest one would probably be um um uh, let me see, 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:44.680 Oh yeah, probably the LLL tour, the same one the 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:50.880 night to Dilick. Yeah, the Nitro tour. He gives out flowers, roses, 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:56.440 the pitches. He's cheating. You know, I'm saying, if you 1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:59.400 ain't giving out roads, you're coming after that business like 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:04.320 let the no, no, no, that's that's for your game. 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:06.040 I mean that might have been what what what messed 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:08.360 me up that night? Who knows? All right, just talk 1:07:08.400 --> 1:07:10.280 about the game. I mean no, because I mean it 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:15.800 was like Russell Simmons actually introduced me to this check 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:18.400 and you know, she was claim came back to the 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.640 hotel and me and Russell and I think by some 1:07:21.720 --> 1:07:24.680 Andre Horrel, I believe it just about a bar and 1:07:24.760 --> 1:07:27.240 she came in and l L was over. They sign 1:07:27.240 --> 1:07:34.680 and autographs and she went to L. No, I'm not 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:44.560 telling this story. Two listeners want to have to listen, 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:46.760 and they all in this room. Don't worry about it. 1:07:49.520 --> 1:07:54.320 Everybody unreleased it. Everybody. She went to L you know, 1:07:55.120 --> 1:07:57.600 not seeing them they're chopping it up or too late 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:01.200 now and then they chopping it up and whatever, and 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:03.520 like I see, like pitch her cheek or something like that, 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:05.880 and then she walked over to the bar to me. 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:11.880 Now my problem with that was my problem was that 1:08:12.040 --> 1:08:14.200 it's like this here, you sposed to come meet me 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:17.519 at the room. So after L shot you down, you 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.880 spoke to the elevator when you come to the bar. 1:08:20.960 --> 1:08:22.479 That lets me know that you saw me all this 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.440 goddamn time. That's you know what I'm saying, and just 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:27.800 just choosing in front of me, you know. Okay, So 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:30.720 it's like all right, cool, So we get upstairs, you know, 1:08:30.760 --> 1:08:35.680 we get a popping and you know, I'm into what 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:39.559 I'm doing, and you know, I mean it turned into 1:08:39.640 --> 1:08:41.200 you know, one of the type of things where you know, 1:08:41.240 --> 1:08:45.720 I you know, I'm shorty to get my r kelly on, 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:59.720 you know, and let's go, let's go. I mean, it 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.360 just felt good you had to go. I got a 1:09:04.400 --> 1:09:06.280 pee right now. So I don't know how you done 1:09:06.280 --> 1:09:11.800 about it. I think it's the only it's blazed for 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:20.240 the hardy just makes a noise. I'm sorry she liked it, 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:23.080 you know. I mean it's like, you know, when I 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:25.240 was young man, I did a whole bunch of wild stuff, man, 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:28.800 crazy stuff. No, you know, I mean like I mean 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:31.559 disneyn situations where like several people, I had to go 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:34.080 back and you know I had to it just felt 1:09:34.160 --> 1:09:36.080 just wanted to you, and I went back and I 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:38.680 apologize for a lot of crazy stuff I did, you know, 1:09:39.040 --> 1:09:42.760 because you know, I'm I'm forty nine. Now I'm married, 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.600 you know, and I mean I love my life, I 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:47.760 love my family, and you know, it's like, you know, 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:52.280 I just look at things differently now that you know me. 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:58.880 You know, back then, you know I was down. Yeah, 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:03.120 I was a little bligger. You was the man in 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:05.559 eighty eight. I was born in seventy seven. That means 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:08.840 like roughly like I was nine, unch him. I was 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.160 gonna rop with me day. Yeah, I've seen you said, 1:10:11.280 --> 1:10:14.880 damn he had the four finger, Wayne, the fourth finger? 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:19.000 How do you fingerpot with four finger? Back? An expensive? 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:25.040 It was something good finger pop and was like like 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:27.960 in style back then, like niggers didn't even want to 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:30.519 he wanted to dry home and finger pot. I'm just 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:33.080 saying because I was like ten, I don't know how 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:37.920 old you do what? I was probably like thirteen. I 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:40.680 don't know, Drane, how old were we? How old are we? Da? 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:44.880 He was, You're only one year younger than me. Brother, 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:52.120 you're like two years or forty two? Okay, two years? Okay? Cool? 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:56.840 Oh I goddamn we little side track? What your butcher 1:10:56.920 --> 1:11:00.280 rockets calling me hold on? But was talking about finger happing, 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:06.320 finger pop and still popping. Figure's a good poem. What 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:11.120 no listen back in the day's composed to everything? Like 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:13.360 I didn't have a new what you got? Who are 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:15.919 you going with this? What I'm saying back in the days? 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:19.080 This is like ninety seven, Like he used to go 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:21.439 to the club and just he wants to finger pop 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:24.840 fitch Like I never really got like like I get 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:26.840 like in the moment, like I'm thinking about you write 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:32.680 with what Like he would fingerpop in public, they'd be 1:11:32.680 --> 1:11:35.519 like peace and he's just been showing the whole night. 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:41.719 It's when did he space? Like my god, like paulm 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.519 staying away with me, I'm sorry a little finger pop 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:48.400 it brings back so alright, damn I got notes. Can 1:11:48.439 --> 1:11:52.519 we go back to the Biggie Tupac coming out of 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:57.680 the stage with you, your relationship with POC and big like, 1:11:57.800 --> 1:12:02.519 can you talk about that, like let's go pop first? Yeah? Um, 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:06.439 well I've known Parks since he danced for Digital. Like 1:12:06.520 --> 1:12:09.360 that's how we first met, UM when I brought Digital 1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:15.479 on the road, Yeah, my Chocolate City tour, UM, and 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:17.880 we got cooled in. He told me that, you know, 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:21.280 he coming out with his own stuff as a solo artist, 1:12:21.320 --> 1:12:23.640 and he's he's let me. He told me, you know, 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.080 it's not gonna be like this Digital stuff. You know, 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.240 I've got a whole different direction. He spit for me, 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:32.519 and you know, dude, dude was nice. UM. So I've 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:35.320 known him since then. UM. Biggie, on the other hand, 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:37.880 I never really had a relationship with We've been around 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:43.519 each other, I think maybe like twice, UM. But there 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:47.080 were several phone calls that we had, UM. I guess, 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:50.639 like certain career decisions that he was making, and UM 1:12:51.200 --> 1:12:53.760 Mr C would call with him on the line, and 1:12:54.000 --> 1:12:56.800 you know, we chop it up and you know, you know, 1:12:56.840 --> 1:12:59.519 he teld me what's going on. I guess he's asked 1:12:59.520 --> 1:13:01.360 me what I think, you know, my view on it 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:06.240 or whatever. So I've that's really relationship over the phone. 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:11.400 We never really kicked it, you know, but I've always 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:16.400 respected both of them, admired them as artists, and you know, 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.519 just looked at their depths and sad losses for hip 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:22.639 hop and the world during their when they were going 1:13:23.000 --> 1:13:25.120 you know the rivalry part. Did you speak to any 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:29.559 of the park I spoke to I spoke to Pop, 1:13:30.200 --> 1:13:34.800 but it was brief and it was kind of interrupted, 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:39.840 interrupted by more East Coast West coast drama because it 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:42.920 was like a conversation we started on an airplane, and 1:13:43.000 --> 1:13:46.920 by time we got to death Row studio, you know, 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:50.559 somebody presented him with some more drama about was trying 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:53.040 to sign you wasn't death Row trying? Yeah? Yeah, this 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:55.920 was that time. This was that time. Yeah, this is 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.680 that time. You know, we was talking about it, and 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:00.360 I guess I was trying to, you know, may him 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:04.280 understand you know what it was, and they seemed like 1:14:04.280 --> 1:14:07.680 I was getting through. But then you know, as soon 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:09.880 as we got to the studio, here comes Cats talking 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:13.320 about Yo Mob Deep and um Lauren Hill was just 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.559 on on I think MTV TV answer something that they 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:18.120 was trying to play you. They were saying something to 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:21.400 such and you know, they filled it up right back 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:26.519 up a camp and you in that studio and yeah, wow, damn, 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:30.960 can you got someone's goddamn history? We we definitely need 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:34.519 a big daddy came day. All right, it's a timber. Tim, 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:37.559 let's do it and we do declaring it on Drake Chaps. Right, 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:40.800 it's Tim with Tim. There's a big daddy came there. 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:46.200 You just gotta cut your eyebrows. Come outside. If you 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:48.439 can pull out the hot top, do it. Put out 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:52.400 the hot top. Gr barber gotta be nice, though, your 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:54.840 barber gotta be nice because you can't have it, can 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:56.680 I think I wat the flatsop right now on this 1:14:56.960 --> 1:14:59.800 all these kids are doing it. They ain't doing a 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:02.280 a flat time, No, some of them are. I mean, 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.040 they don't call it came over there. I guess who. 1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:09.200 I think it's a popular basketball player that they reference that. 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:15.600 You now, I forget who. But but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:23.640 ok yeah, Okay. Kids ain't get yeah. I mean, you 1:15:23.640 --> 1:15:25.640 know that's how we go coman. I mean, I have 1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:29.280 a picture in my house with my pops were one 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:33.360 in the sixties, you know what I'm saying. And I thought, 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:35.519 didn't Larry Blackman created it? You know what I mean? 1:15:35.560 --> 1:15:39.599 So this this is this is our engineer cocaine has 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:43.559 Just want to throw that out. Default in the eighties 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:47.400 was cocaine heavy in the eighties, um in hip hop 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:51.880 and hip hop specifically Studio fifty four we heard um. 1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:56.000 I mean I remember it being like, you know, heavy 1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:58.920 around the hood like in the early eighties. Matter of fact, 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:02.760 late seventies. Early I remember was like fly back there 1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:07.040 exactly like it was. It was a luxury drug. But 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:10.240 I mean, like the first time I was like really 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:13.320 around it, around it. It was in the nineties, Like 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:16.240 I had a party and somebody was doing it at 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:18.920 the party. You know, that was the first time I 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:21.320 was really around it, around it. You know how they 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:24.160 was doing it. There's at the party just whatever Nickel, 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:29.080 why I sniffed them? Um. Now, they asked could they 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:33.000 use on one of the bedrooms because he was having 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:36.160 mansion parties and shipping or something like that. But I mean, people, 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:39.760 you know, I told him, you know, go ahead. But 1:16:39.840 --> 1:16:43.120 then you know what happened was they switched rooms and 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:45.519 went into the wrong wrong room. So when I came 1:16:45.560 --> 1:16:47.599 in there to tell him to leave out of this room, 1:16:47.600 --> 1:16:49.400 you know, I see they had they loots, you know, 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:51.559 little on the dresser or whatever. You know. But I mean, 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:54.240 but that was my first time like being around it 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:56.800 like that, you know. So what's the best time in 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:59.840 hip hops came? It was the most fun you ever had, 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:03.719 Like you I mean, honestly, I feel like the finger 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.200 pop got to be what we're saying, Like, I'm gonna 1:17:07.320 --> 1:17:11.400 be honest, I think his fingers still smelling with st No. 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:15.479 I mean honestly, I mean my best time in hip 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:23.439 hop was probably um mid to late eighties, you know, um, 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:28.320 because you had, like, you know, so many different artists 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:31.320 when nobody really sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same. 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:33.920 Nobody sounded at least they did try to, you know, yeah, 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:35.639 and there was a couple of copper casts, but they 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:39.640 just all got never working. And then when you go 1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:42.960 to a party, you know, the most stugged out dudes, 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:47.320 you know, with dance when Gostets come on without a 1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:50.760 polls Top building. You know what I'm saying, Brooklyn's in 1:17:50.800 --> 1:17:52.880 the house when those type of songs came on, he 1:17:53.120 --> 1:18:06.680 damn top Yeah, shout understood, cold man. We did that 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:10.719 on my album too with Milk d Yeah. I mean yeah, 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:12.640 it's it's like, you know, that's that's so It's like 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:15.120 I just love that era of hip hop because it's like, 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:19.400 you know, prior to that was um uh you know 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:24.960 the run dmc houdini, um Furious five, you know that 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:28.120 guy era. But you know it's like, I don't think 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:33.960 that that era um was like like as lyrical as 1:18:34.000 --> 1:18:38.080 the late eighties. And don't get me wrong, Mellie mel Kumo, 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:42.599 d Grandmaster Cast, those were lyrical peace, But I mean 1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:47.160 it was like it wasn't where like radio and fans 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:48.800 like the hip hop fans that are, like it was 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:51.120 really focused on the lyrics like that like they were 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:54.200 in the late eighties, Like we're like, you know, you whack, 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:56.080 We don't even want to listen to you. You know 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:57.920 what I'm saying. But how did those guys have set 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:00.439 you back then? That was an interesting and she just 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.599 broke up your name all the other legends who came 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:08.040 before you, like uh, like right now we're dealing at 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:11.040 the time that these young guys are the guys. They're 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.559 all the guys. They are like they are the chosen 1:19:14.600 --> 1:19:18.120 ones for now. But they look they actually looked down 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:21.760 on my generation, you know what I'm saying. So how 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:25.160 was it for you when you was the guy? Was 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:27.920 the people prior to you looking down on you guys 1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:34.479 in your opinion? Uh? Well, I mean, you know of 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:38.759 Millie Mel. Yeah, yeah, Millie Mele was um in the beginning, 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:42.599 but then we ended up becoming real cool ultimately. Mail 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:44.880 just you see him again. But I mean, you know, 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:50.000 it's like, you know, with Mel, you gotta understand that 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:54.080 and respect it because he feels like he kind of 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:58.320 pioneered it. And I mean, it's not about him feeling 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:02.959 that way he did, you know, I mean what Hollywood created, 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:07.799 Mellie Mel perfected. You know what I'm saying. If there 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:11.040 if there wasn't a Mellie Mel, Me, you and everybody 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:12.840 else would have been on the mic. You know. You 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:17.680 know what I'm saying. Nellie Mel perfected him seeing he 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:21.160 made it what it is. You know what I'm saying. 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:25.240 He is the architect of m seeing Mellie Mel, you 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:27.280 know what I'm saying. So it's like, you know, you 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:30.880 gotta understand for him to not really get his proper 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:33.320 respect and if, of course he's gonna be better, So 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:43.439 it's understandable. Melliel over here drink chance. That's a massive 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:48.000 him and um, I think they hired Mellie Mel fum 1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:50.880 before they style and it was it was it was 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:53.800 crazy for me to like to see him. He going 1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:57.320 he's still you know the does he still do that 1:20:57.400 --> 1:21:00.240 and destroys it like and he'll take it through do 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:04.679 different generations. He was seeing other people recoring not forget 1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:08.439 that with them tight hants on He's still doing the 1:21:08.560 --> 1:21:10.599 leg cross and stuff and drop down on the floor. 1:21:12.200 --> 1:21:16.160 Hold that that's the Villa's thing, you know, Mel, Yeah, mil, 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:21.559 you're not going to funk out. Yeah, but I mean 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:23.719 your mel you know, you know. But but like MOLDI 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:25.840 I guess Mold thing was pretty much more personal with 1:21:25.920 --> 1:21:28.280 him and ll So with me and then met you know, 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:30.280 we broke bread and we was cool. And with me 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.439 and Grandmaster Cash, it was a type of thing where 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:34.519 you know, I let Cass not that I'm a student 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:38.200 to him, that everything I do lyrically I owe to him, 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:43.120 you know, I mean enough recognition. Actually, he's so incredible, 1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:47.760 Like I mean when okay, yeah, and then go back 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:49.720 to one of the first questions you asked me Tony T. 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:53.519 When I was first started, my name was Tony T. 1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:56.240 Like I thought I was killing it. I had something 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.120 like when I'm the t O n y the t 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:02.200 e E your eyes can't see I know, the tricks, 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:03.800 and I know the trades, and I'm shop as a 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:06.240 motherfucking raised and played. I thought I was killing it. 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:10.120 And then my man played this joint for me, and 1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:13.799 Cash is on there talking about Grand Master Cash, Captain 1:22:13.880 --> 1:22:16.040 of the four. Another nigga couldn't touch me. If he 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:18.040 had a rhyme store, even if he had a plant 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:20.400 manufacturing violence, he couldn't make him no better than I 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.280 make mine. I'm like, you know what, I ripped my 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:26.640 whole note book up and started my life over your 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:29.080 dick for real? Hold on, what's that I gotta be? 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:33.080 I'm out, I gotta I'm out for you right now. 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:38.400 That's what I want to know. What the funk were 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:43.120 y'all drinking in Brooklyn? Then y'all were spitting the cadence. 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:46.680 The y'all were spitting like I'm in Miami. And now 1:22:46.680 --> 1:22:49.479 when we reflect back, y'all was doing double time ahead 1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:56.400 of that being the trend um. Well, that really started 1:22:56.520 --> 1:23:00.799 hal with mo Yeah, okay, that really started in Hallow 1:23:00.800 --> 1:23:04.760 with Moti with that I'm a super trooper but making money, 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:07.560 but that I forgot how to rhyme go. Yeah, that 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:10.679 really that death real fast started thinking little with Modi 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:16.639 in in Hallow. Um. But I mean, I mean it's 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:19.160 it's like, you know, in Brooklyn, I think that the 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:21.880 whole cadence and everything that you hear from a lot 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:27.000 of Brooklyn see speaking of myself, jay Z Biggie Fabulous. 1:23:28.040 --> 1:23:32.240 It's that it's that pep ship because it's like, you know, 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:36.600 just the way we we view stuff like um, like 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:42.240 you like Master D having a party, you know, like 1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:45.479 you know Master D jamming. You know you're gonna get 1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:47.880 your you know, your V next sweater. You know, you 1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:51.280 know your double net V neck joint, your mock neck, 1:23:51.360 --> 1:23:53.880 the thorp under it, you know, some genes to the 1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:59.599 permanent crease and your British and you know you're British 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:01.880 walker us and like you know, that was that players 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:03.840 ship that we wore, like you know, like that's that's 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:06.400 how we're coming to a party that's like a hip 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.640 hop party, you know what I'm saying. So it was 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:11.200 like that type of thing where it's like, you know, 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:14.240 we looked up to the dudes that's talking ship in 1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:16.680 the barbershop or in the pool hall, the pimps on 1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:19.280 the corner, So that it was that type of slick 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:22.840 lingo that we appreciate it and respect it, you know 1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:24.320 what I'm saying. Like it was like that type of lingo, 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:27.000 and I think that that's what really defined a lot 1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:30.240 of Brooklyn m season, made them a lot different than other, 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:34.439 you know, artists from different burrows. You know, now speak 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:37.439 about that. I sent you a couple of players ball 1:24:38.760 --> 1:24:43.240 back then. What the were we doing in the players Ball? 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:45.599 I thought I was a pain for a week. Now 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.479 you're gonna tried to you don't tried to get me 1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:52.640 to admit to being a gangster. So how do you 1:24:52.680 --> 1:24:56.479 think this is gonna work out for you? I just good, no, good, 1:24:56.560 --> 1:24:59.040 Look we we did. We did see each other at 1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:07.080 the Players Balls Company and Georgia Company. Yeah. So like 1:25:08.479 --> 1:25:11.960 I was, King just connected to all these worlds, like 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:16.160 in the most respectful way, Like you're just connected to 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:21.400 the l ship. I mean, you know, I mean it's like, 1:25:21.439 --> 1:25:27.400 you know, I move around. I'm I guess what you 1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:31.439 can call a soul searcher. You know what I'm saying. 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:36.080 I mean, I can, I can, I can, I can 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:38.920 vibe off for energy, man, you know what I'm saying. 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:44.439 And I love positive energy. I love positive you know, 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:49.599 positive energy might be in a room full of pimps 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:53.960 with loud as suits on. But they in they're buying 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:57.240 each other champagne, talking ship to each other, having a 1:25:57.240 --> 1:26:00.800 good time. You know, it might be that the situation, 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:04.439 I agree, it might be a function that a bunch 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:08.800 of women are having where they're talking about, um, how 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:13.880 women can become leaders and have high positions and jaws 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:16.280 and it's a bunch of black women just talking about that, 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:19.400 trying to build something positive, you know. But I just 1:26:19.479 --> 1:26:23.760 I love positive energy, man, I love it. Man, I'm 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:25.839 not gonna know I know exactly what you mean because 1:26:27.960 --> 1:26:30.840 I was never a pen but I took a liking 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:34.040 to Juju. I took a liking the Pimmican. I took 1:26:34.040 --> 1:26:36.960 a like in a bishop. I took like in the 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:38.320 all of them, and they took a liking to me. 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:40.439 So they would invite me to these events and I 1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:43.519 would come. So one day I just actually I just 1:26:43.560 --> 1:26:46.000 actually tried to actually be in pump like. So I 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:49.720 actually had my gold come and I went to his 1:26:49.800 --> 1:26:52.320 white girl said this choose, said, how to choose you? 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:56.040 I said, oh, Ship, I didn't. I had no idea 1:26:56.120 --> 1:27:00.000 what to do. And then everybody on the nias. It's like, 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:01.519 I don't know what the center to me, I'm like, 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:05.640 we're lax, I know, se Joes, I'm not what to 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:11.240 do something, absolutely nothing to do. I have to see 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:12.880 your buck, you know, I would come on. I'm on 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:16.679 the road. I'm doing fifty nights. You know. But yeah, 1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:22.240 so my my, my pimp career didn't last your career, Yeah, 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:23.640 it didn't last a long time. I know because I 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:25.439 used to go to the the players ball. They gave me 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:28.200 the cup. They gave me the players call you have 1:27:28.240 --> 1:27:29.720 to be a real player. They get a players called 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:32.040 did you have a players car with the gold? The 1:27:32.080 --> 1:27:37.680 gold players call the green days? Let us look at that. 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:40.400 Look I ain't gonna one. Before they went to get 1:27:40.400 --> 1:27:42.120 my car back, I was like, yo, look I'm not 1:27:42.200 --> 1:27:46.320 really here. But they accepted me, so I expected the 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:49.160 culture pim kan A lot of them dudes is cool dudes. 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:54.280 Juju juju ye juju real real good dude man him man, 1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:59.800 good good game, game, good game. I don't think so. 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:02.519 I think he's I think he's still down. I could 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:04.679 be wrong, but I think he's still there. But yeah, 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:09.080 I don't know even met Kenny Red from Yeah, A 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:10.680 lot of a lot of dudes. You know, they're real 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:14.479 good dudes, man, you know, I mean, you know Bishop, 1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:17.000 you know, that's that's my dude. You know, you got 1:28:17.200 --> 1:28:20.040 you know, funny as hell, you know. But I mean, 1:28:20.080 --> 1:28:21.360 you know, I mean, yeah, it was a time in 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:23.439 my life where I had to really sit and reflect 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:24.920 on something that he told me to. You know what 1:28:24.920 --> 1:28:27.040 I'm saying. So, I mean it's like, you know, I 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:30.760 have the utmost respect for Bishop. So yeah, yeah, so 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:37.280 but it was nothing like Kane pimpin or nothing. Okay, 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:47.800 I'll move on, I got, I got, Okay, no a 1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:49.880 right back in the days. This is before you met 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:53.320 your wife, right, I heard just mastered the female cop 1:28:53.360 --> 1:28:57.200 at a concert? Is that true? Look in your limo? 1:28:57.960 --> 1:28:59.760 That's That's what I'm saying. This is, this is, this is. 1:28:59.760 --> 1:29:04.639 This is people the internet that you was in a concert. 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:08.800 Female pulled you over and you pulled over. That's a lie. 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:13.160 That's never happening. It was at an autograph sign and 1:29:20.160 --> 1:29:24.439 that's awesome. Oh my god. Yo. So do you look 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:27.599 at you do you look at your life? And like 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:30.240 my Louis e p is is I want to title 1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:32.800 it my life though, do you ever look at your 1:29:32.840 --> 1:29:34.719 life and be like, yo, my life like the ship 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.920 that you accomplished, like coming from nowhere and just say 1:29:38.680 --> 1:29:42.240 ship I did. It's just it's just dope. Yeah, I mean, 1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:45.799 I mean, I'm I'm happy. I mean, to be honest 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:53.880 with you, Um it's the final chapter. H that makes 1:29:53.920 --> 1:29:57.160 me happy, you know, because I mean it's like, you know, 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.280 when I was younger, I did a lot of crazy 1:29:59.360 --> 1:30:04.880 stuff and it was fun, you know for the moment, 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.880 you know, but then after while, you know, like how 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:10.599 we're saying the thing about it, you know, the best 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:12.439 is the best? You know I never had, you know 1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:15.519 how we're saying that. I mean, it's like, you know, 1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:17.320 it was fun for the moment, did they get boring? 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:20.720 But now you know what I'm saying being able to 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:25.240 wake up. You know, I gotta four year old to 1:30:25.400 --> 1:30:29.880 be having me on the floor playing with um um 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:34.439 Transformer dolls and transforming steal cake my four year old 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:41.680 joints they got transformed. Still it was dry. I not 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:45.519 I'm on the four club playing with Transformers with my 1:30:45.560 --> 1:30:49.400 four year old and Avengers characters and you know, doing 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:52.960 stuff like that, and you know, you know, my wife 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:56.479 talking to me about dinner and showing me stuff online 1:30:56.520 --> 1:30:58.160 that she want to order for the house and all 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:01.240 this stuff. I mean, you know, it's like that's the 1:31:01.240 --> 1:31:03.960 thing that you know what I mean that you want 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:07.519 to that's that's that's that's that's that's how what I wanted. 1:31:07.640 --> 1:31:09.360 That's how I want to live. You know, you know 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:12.280 these final days out, I want to live them out 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.920 like that. I did that. Well, let's say a final 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:17.840 days came because you're gonna live forever. That's what you 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:21.040 were particular drink champs and that's well, I mean, I 1:31:21.080 --> 1:31:22.760 want to set on the song I may die one 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:25.840 day with my runs main like so yeah, I know, 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:28.280 I know I'm here eternally. I'm just saying that. You know, 1:31:28.479 --> 1:31:30.680 I'm just saying this, said Flesh. You know, if I 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:34.080 have a long he said, Flesh, you know questions, huh, 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:39.640 you go to Costcos executive number. I'll come up. I 1:31:39.800 --> 1:31:46.560 love you got Costcos Costcos. You understood what I'm saying. Dyslexic. 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:56.320 Are there any big daddy can regrets? I didn't sun 1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:04.640 my daughter. I don't know exactly, I don't know, but 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.680 I know, I mean, you know, I mean, you know, 1:32:06.800 --> 1:32:13.880 it's like this said, it's like the equation. You know 1:32:13.920 --> 1:32:15.519 what I'm saying. I mean, I mean, it's it's like 1:32:15.600 --> 1:32:18.479 you know when you looking at that, what the answer is, 1:32:20.000 --> 1:32:23.760 you know, that's what's important, And what the answer is 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:28.080 is what my life is now and whatever it took 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:33.599 to get it where it is now. Having regrets might 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:37.000 change all to something and I may not have the 1:32:37.040 --> 1:32:39.760 family I have. So no, I'm not gonna you know, 1:32:39.800 --> 1:32:43.040 I'm not gonna, you know, say that I afric regress 1:32:43.439 --> 1:32:45.759 when you was at the top, because like very people 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:48.760 can see, like I've had success in hip hop, I've 1:32:48.800 --> 1:32:50.640 never had the type of success that you had, like 1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:53.120 being the only guy at that top of that that 1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:56.240 badman and then you have people who follow like a 1:32:56.320 --> 1:32:59.559 big jail or nas or whatever. But I've always been 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:02.760 like a step behind you. Guys, Like, was it over 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:05.519 overwhelming when you were just out there and everybody ever 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:08.040 could imagine how much your people was ringing because it 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:11.479 probably wasn't phones back then? Was the overwhelming where you 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:15.200 were just like damn, like you you you asked for it, 1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:17.679 you got it, and then you were just like damn, 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:20.080 was it ever like that or not? I mean, because 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:23.040 you I mean, I'm I'm I'm a private person. You know. 1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:25.679 It's like with me, I like to come around people, 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:30.400 spread love and then go to the comfort of my home, 1:33:30.600 --> 1:33:34.040 right you know, like you know you've been like that 1:33:34.080 --> 1:33:37.000 since then. Yes, I mean, like you know, I go 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:40.000 around the way, shot out on you know, on on 1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:43.200 on Lewis and Van Buren, or go hole to my 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:46.960 peeple Script and Brevoid projects, you know, other people over 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:51.640 in Brookline, or can hang out, you know, buy like 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:54.080 a half a gallon of Hennessey, you know, you know, 1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:57.880 get them maybe like about two hours of we'd you know, 1:33:57.920 --> 1:34:00.200 and let them, you know, do what they do. Said. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:02.200 I did share with them, you know, cast that wanted 1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:04.000 to float a little you know, we get a little 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:07.599 ssfer go and spit something whatever, you know. And I mean, 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:09.200 you know, I might have you know, a little ship, 1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:12.280 you know. But it's like, you know, I'm just watching 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:14.120 them enjoy theirselfs, you know what I'm saying, because he's 1:34:14.160 --> 1:34:16.160 his brothers that I respect, and they're still in the 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:17.920 hood trying to you know, come up. I want to 1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:19.560 inspire them, you know what I'm saying. You know, to 1:34:19.600 --> 1:34:21.679 stay focused, you know what I'm saying, keep tracing chasing 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:25.080 that dream and when I take my ass home and 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:27.760 then yeah, then I break open my filth of in me. 1:34:28.200 --> 1:34:31.000 You know what I'm saying. And you know, I sit 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:33.439 back and I listened to my motherfucking oldest Redding or 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:35.800 David Ruffling, you know the stuff I was. I'm not 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:37.519 out there rocking some hip hop with them. I can't 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:40.080 come home. I'm thoughts and David Ruffin and just Redden 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:41.880 and some of smooth stuff and just laid back and 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:44.639 I'm showing that I'm good. Now this is my life, 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:50.439 you know. Now you got a record with tupop correct. Yeah, 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:54.320 well there was one with me, Pock and Hammer, and 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:56.320 then there's just one with just me and Pocket and 1:34:56.360 --> 1:35:01.759 the one your pockets called Wherever You Are? And Hammer 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:04.840 was too late player, too late. Yeah, he was the 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:10.519 junior joint. Too late. Yeah, so that's crazy. So alright, 1:35:10.640 --> 1:35:14.920 that pop, right, that pop that you knew back then 1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:17.120 because you just said earlier, he was like your new pop. 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:20.840 Those records of pre Death Row pop, those all those 1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:23.439 songs all happened that same night. I'm telling you about 1:35:23.439 --> 1:35:27.479 the differences that same night as Hammer was signed the 1:35:27.520 --> 1:35:30.120 Death Row too. Yeah, this is all that same night 1:35:33.120 --> 1:35:36.680 to underground Pop I'm gonna turn into the death row 1:35:36.720 --> 1:35:40.240 Pop that you not because you gotta understand, it's like 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:44.640 Pop spit for me, and when he spent for me, 1:35:44.680 --> 1:35:47.960 I saw that he had lyrics and I saw where 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:50.519 he was going with it, the resolutionary side of para. 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:54.360 I saw that, you know what I'm saying. But I mean, 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:57.040 you know, it's like I didn't know exactly where he 1:35:57.120 --> 1:35:59.439 was going to go with it, you know what I mean. 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:01.240 It's like, you know, she spent for me, and then 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:04.519 you know, like you know, three hours later, you know, 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:06.360 you know, he was on you know, stage doing a 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:10.880 Humpty dance with with with um und So I'm like, 1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:16.559 I don't really know where he gonna go because underground, 1:36:17.040 --> 1:36:23.360 I don't know, like he kicking some programs you um, like, 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:26.400 for example, like my dads in Scoop and Scrap. To 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:29.639 try to imagine school or Scrap doing the same thing 1:36:29.760 --> 1:36:32.880 I did would be a difficult site because they've already 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:38.320 been seen at school and Scrap, You understand you're saying. 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:41.880 So it's like I didn't know how to public would 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:44.840 perceive it, you know what I'm saying, Right, And that 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:48.240 day when you going Big and Pop both on your stage. 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:53.640 Isn't scoop on the stage too? But but did you 1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:55.920 know those those two guys were turned into the people 1:36:55.960 --> 1:37:03.719 they turned into or you did? Um? Well, at that point, 1:37:03.800 --> 1:37:07.080 Park was already on his way. You know, Big was 1:37:07.120 --> 1:37:10.639 an up and coming Yeah, because it was what happened 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:16.880 was C called me and said yo, which is really 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:19.599 how we all like in Miami, how we heard this 1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:22.080 freestyle He put on a mixtape and we all heard 1:37:22.120 --> 1:37:24.280 around the well. I mean the reason why anybody heard 1:37:24.320 --> 1:37:27.120 is because Mr C, because he was smart enough to 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:33.800 record to show that he was fest is a super 1:37:33.840 --> 1:37:37.920 fest every night were on stage with Patti LaBelle jeval 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:43.080 LeVert MC light um silk. I mean, it's a lot 1:37:43.080 --> 1:37:44.760 of me I think, B B D a lot of 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:48.479 major artists every night. But that particular night she decided 1:37:48.520 --> 1:37:51.479 to record. That's crazy. He hadn't recorded none of the 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:55.559 mothers he recorded that night, you know, so the rest 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:57.360 of the world heard it thanks to Mr CE. A 1:37:57.400 --> 1:38:05.400 matter of fact, let's get Mr C something at that. 1:38:05.520 --> 1:38:09.920 But he called me and was like, yo, big one 1:38:10.000 --> 1:38:14.479 to come, and you know he was wandering the farm, 1:38:14.600 --> 1:38:17.519 you know. Uh no, A matter of fact, all he said, 1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:20.120 was Big One to come. That's all he wanted. He 1:38:20.200 --> 1:38:23.000 said Big One to come, and I was like, all right, cool. 1:38:24.000 --> 1:38:26.559 Then he hit me back and said, yo, um, did 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:29.519 we have a record though, Yeah, he may have had 1:38:30.080 --> 1:38:33.880 part party and bullshit. Yeah, But then he hit me 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:37.920 back and said, yo, um, Tupac is in town filming 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:42.559 a basketball movie. But I don't think he knew the nathing. 1:38:42.600 --> 1:38:45.360 He said he's from his basketball and he wanted to 1:38:45.400 --> 1:38:49.760 bring him with him, and you know, me with the 1:38:51.080 --> 1:38:59.080 my battle mind state, I'm like, yeah, friendly because you 1:38:59.120 --> 1:39:02.000 want to battle that well. I mean it was like, 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:06.880 you know, possible, Yeah, Park was There's nothing personal. I'm 1:39:06.880 --> 1:39:09.679 not love them just this was this was the brother 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:11.320 that came to me in the beginning of his career, 1:39:11.760 --> 1:39:13.920 so I had nothing but love for him. But this 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:16.840 is hip hop, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, 1:39:16.880 --> 1:39:20.160 you know, yeah, yeah, bring on them, bring You're gonna 1:39:20.160 --> 1:39:22.519 burn them down. So that was, you know, where my 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:24.800 mind state was. So when they got there, you know, 1:39:24.840 --> 1:39:27.160 they just came to really this and I told him, 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:31.720 you know, yo, you know you wanna get on. So 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:35.080 that's really what my mind state was, you know. And 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:36.600 I mean who would have known that it would have 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:40.479 turned into what it turned into, you know, because when 1:39:40.479 --> 1:39:44.160 you seen that beef transpired because you you knowing the 1:39:44.320 --> 1:39:46.840 night that you just had this is at the Guarden. Correct, 1:39:46.840 --> 1:39:50.240 the Bubbs was at the Garden, So you know that 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:51.920 that night they just had you just had to both 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:58.280 on stage with you actually and then you hear about 1:39:58.320 --> 1:40:00.439 this this beef you ever thought of would have went 1:40:00.520 --> 1:40:05.320 this far? I mean, you know it's like and then 1:40:05.439 --> 1:40:09.120 and here two part question, I'm sorry, do you ever 1:40:09.160 --> 1:40:11.160 think it went this fall? And then not only that, 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:14.920 did you ever try to interjeck like just try to like, well, 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:17.040 I told you I tried to interject on on the 1:40:17.080 --> 1:40:21.400 plane from who we're going from Vegas to try to 1:40:21.439 --> 1:40:26.519 explain that I got interrupted with Yeah. But I mean 1:40:26.640 --> 1:40:29.840 it's like I didn't think it would go this far. 1:40:30.600 --> 1:40:35.200 I mean I was surprised, you know, because I mean 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:39.160 it's like record you understand it. Here's what I'm from. Nobody, Okay, 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:45.520 I'm aware of you know, artists battle in their parties, 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:47.800 going against each other, and they got to ride on 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:51.400 the same train home. You know what I'm saying. This 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:53.280 is type of shift I've seen, you know, what I'm saying, 1:40:53.560 --> 1:40:57.519 I mean, cold crushed, battling, fantastic on busy being Kumo 1:40:57.600 --> 1:41:00.479 D L L and Kumo D You know what I'm saying. 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:04.040 I mean, I've seen mc shannon caress One. You've seen 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:06.559 them battle in it and then again. No, no no, no, no no, 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:09.160 I mean I know I'm talking about that's that's something separate. 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:12.160 I'm just saying that all these battles I've seen where 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:17.160 it was just battling m seeing you know. I mean 1:41:17.200 --> 1:41:21.439 like me and mc shann on the same label, and 1:41:21.520 --> 1:41:25.120 him and carress One battle in each other and Carross One. 1:41:25.240 --> 1:41:27.760 MS Melody helped me move out of my mother's crib 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:30.160 when I first moved up to my parents into my 1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:32.800 old spot. Carross One and MS Melody helped me move out. 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:35.919 Wasn't you you made an appearance in the self Destruction 1:41:36.000 --> 1:41:41.040 video which is which is karros one, Miss Melody? I mean, 1:41:41.080 --> 1:41:44.479 I was supposed to be on the song, but apparently 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:47.559 I was lied to, you know, yeah, somebody told me 1:41:47.600 --> 1:41:50.519 that because I guess the data is according was a 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:52.280 data I had to show or something like that. I 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:54.640 can't remember, and they told me that that was the 1:41:54.760 --> 1:42:00.639 only day that I've heard record vocals. M damn. Yeah. 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:02.880 And then but I found out way later that you 1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:05.679 know that I think maybe Chuck D and somebody else 1:42:05.680 --> 1:42:08.120 have recorded their focus on another day, but they told me, oh, 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:12.360 now they've recording everything that day. So I just, you know, 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:13.880 I just assumed that I was ship. I ain't gonna 1:42:13.880 --> 1:42:15.160 be to make it, so you know, it is what 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:17.000 it is. But I would have loved have been on 1:42:17.000 --> 1:42:28.160 that song. Yeah that's a selfless drunction. Jeez, Louise father 1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:30.960 che Yeah. But you know, but back what we're saying, 1:42:31.080 --> 1:42:34.040 I mean, it's like you know, with all I saw, 1:42:34.360 --> 1:42:36.160 you know, in my lifetime when it came to m 1:42:36.200 --> 1:42:38.000 C and then as you know with me, you know, 1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:40.559 I mean, this is something I've been doing since nine 1:42:40.880 --> 1:42:45.120 eight two, just going to different peoplehoods, battling them. Um, 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.840 you know who your best MC over here, you know, 1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:52.040 year around, Yeah, let me holler at him. You know, 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:55.320 this is what I've been doing since nineteen two until 1:42:55.360 --> 1:42:57.160 I got to deal, you know what I'm saying. So 1:42:57.240 --> 1:43:00.320 it's like this is an understanding that I have, like, 1:43:00.360 --> 1:43:02.000 you know, this is hip hop, this is what we do. 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:07.000 So too, Biggie and Pop to see what they went through. 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:10.679 I'm like, because they gotta be crazy from you coming 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:14.280 from a battle state and seeing and then but you 1:43:14.280 --> 1:43:17.599 had to feel different from hearing um Tupacs hit him up. 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:22.439 That was a different type of this rap. This rap correct. 1:43:23.080 --> 1:43:27.760 It had to be to you too, because I'm born 1:43:27.760 --> 1:43:32.519 in seventy seven, so like your generation is like just 1:43:32.680 --> 1:43:36.720 right before minds right. So I've heard the battle ship, 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:40.680 but it was never like when Tupac took it there 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:43.160 would hit him up, like hit him up, was like 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:47.800 this was something like he went on his wife. He went, 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:50.920 it's just everything that he said. It was just like 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:54.720 there's no coming back from this were you never seen 1:43:55.080 --> 1:43:58.479 I'm not this record is worse than I'm not gonna 1:43:58.520 --> 1:44:03.920 say that there's no coming back because if you understand 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:08.120 the all the war, it's always a way back, you 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:10.840 know what I'm saying. I mean, I don't know, you 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:13.960 know what biggie mentality was like back then, but if 1:44:13.960 --> 1:44:16.439 you understand the all the war, there's always a way back, 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:22.799 you know. I mean, Ali be George Forman when nobody 1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:26.120 else could fact, you know what I'm saying. But I 1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:29.360 think Mike Tyson, I think he meant there's no way 1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:33.639 back after for pop ye Cross. Yeah, you're talking about 1:44:33.880 --> 1:44:36.840 pot cross the line. Yeah, and there's no way there's 1:44:36.880 --> 1:44:44.519 no squash because, like I mean, I've been till then, 1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:47.400 we didn't hear this record like that, we heard this record. 1:44:47.400 --> 1:44:51.400 It's like yo, your girl, like yeah, we didn't hear 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:54.800 like motherfucker you know. Then I mean it's like this, 1:44:55.600 --> 1:44:59.960 then understand me. Funk it. Y'all just can't be friend 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:03.000 is no more. Y'all just can't be friends no more. 1:45:03.200 --> 1:45:05.320 But now your your question is this. You know what 1:45:05.360 --> 1:45:12.599 I'm saying. You're ready to take it there or you 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:17.439 want to reply? The choice is yours. You know. Now, 1:45:17.560 --> 1:45:20.120 if you take it there, then the battle is over. 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:23.479 There's some street ship. Now it's a context if if 1:45:23.520 --> 1:45:25.679 you're ready take it there, the battles over there. Saying 1:45:25.720 --> 1:45:28.160 if y'all was battling and then y'all start fighting, then't 1:45:28.240 --> 1:45:30.400 that's it? The battles over They gotta keep it on 1:45:30.479 --> 1:45:33.400 the streets back then. I mean, it's like you see it. 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.519 If you feel like somebody violated your family, you know, 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:39.160 disrespect your family away, you know what I say, and 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:41.920 you're ready to take it there, then I mean, what's 1:45:41.920 --> 1:45:43.680 the purpose of batting. Just just go ahead and go 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:47.320 where you got to go with this, you know, if 1:45:47.360 --> 1:45:50.880 that's what you choose, or if you choose to respond 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:58.320 and violated him directly, you know. I mean, it's it's 1:45:58.320 --> 1:46:01.240 it's it's it's you know, that's versus yours. I mean, 1:46:01.280 --> 1:46:04.800 it's like I can't really speak on it or say, 1:46:05.000 --> 1:46:08.120 you know, what it should have been, because it's like, 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:10.080 you know, this is what Park said about Big, this 1:46:10.160 --> 1:46:13.240 is not what Park said about me. There was obviously 1:46:13.240 --> 1:46:16.000 more things that played with that beef, like we don't 1:46:16.000 --> 1:46:18.840 really yet. I mean, here's my thing, is this man? 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:21.559 You know? Besides all that, at the end of the day, 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:29.599 had Puff and Shug sat down and had a meeting 1:46:30.479 --> 1:46:35.839 on some don king Bob aram ship, they could have said, listen, 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:39.360 we're gonna charge Whoop the Woolf for pay per view, 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:49.160 and we're gonna let them go three songs a piece. 1:46:49.840 --> 1:46:51.880 I'm gonna keep it real with come give me a second. 1:46:52.120 --> 1:46:54.880 We're gonna let them go three songs a piece. Then 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:59.439 after the third song, we'll let them go two rounds 1:46:59.479 --> 1:47:10.160 of battle rap, and we're gonna have people judge calling 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:15.040 the judge, and we'll control the hundred or one nine hundred, 1:47:15.120 --> 1:47:19.280 whatever number to get money off of that, and they 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:21.200 both could have got I mean on for them, could 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:25.800 have got filthy or for the meaning pop Big sugar Puff. 1:47:26.600 --> 1:47:29.080 You know what I'm saying. That's the way that ship 1:47:29.120 --> 1:47:31.719 should have been done. I mean, you know what I'm saying, 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:35.280 turn into some real hip hop should make it, you 1:47:35.280 --> 1:47:37.200 know something you can make money off some real boutanies. 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:39.720 That's how I should have been done in my good right, 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:44.040 Like the mc shan Caress like day was going on 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:47.160 toy at one point that was brought about because of 1:47:47.160 --> 1:47:50.000 the Sprint commercial. You know what I'm saying. But I mean, 1:47:50.280 --> 1:47:52.760 just this could have been turned into something that could 1:47:52.800 --> 1:47:55.559 have kept a hip hop but civilized, and maybe both 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:59.240 of them would be with us. But all through respect, 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:03.439 Shan kind of still is a little bit mad of 1:48:03.600 --> 1:48:06.560 Caress right now, and Carrots sit on our show that 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:10.080 it was semi serious, That's what I'm saying, but like 1:48:10.160 --> 1:48:14.640 right now, we're serious. I still see Shan like mc 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:17.960 shann't pick him up. Queyne's bridge fine this, but I 1:48:18.080 --> 1:48:21.160 still see Shannon like every now and then every thwee clicks, 1:48:21.840 --> 1:48:26.479 I see it's still a sham dissing caress like, he's 1:48:26.479 --> 1:48:29.920 still like, man, I'm still here to diss each other. 1:48:29.960 --> 1:48:32.960 And that's the big difference. They're still here to diss 1:48:33.000 --> 1:48:36.960 each other. And that's the big difference. I'm But what 1:48:36.960 --> 1:48:39.919 I'm saying is does it doesn't commit the same damage 1:48:40.360 --> 1:48:44.679 because when you got sharing still like you know every 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:48.800 you know he's he's still has a personal care rass. 1:48:49.720 --> 1:48:52.920 I mean that's really on the individual, you know what 1:48:52.920 --> 1:48:56.120 I'm saying. I mean, if you're gonna lose sleeping night 1:48:56.120 --> 1:49:00.280 over losing the battle, that's on you. You know, that's 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:04.320 on you because I mean, um, because you're supposed to 1:49:04.320 --> 1:49:09.160 get dunked on and keep it moving. Yeah, every day 1:49:11.000 --> 1:49:14.880 everything is better than losing your life. Yeah. So now 1:49:15.000 --> 1:49:18.000 let me tell you something King Well, I mean honestly, yes, 1:49:18.080 --> 1:49:21.280 I can say if if if, if you're in it 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:27.000 for the culture, right, you know what I'm saying. You're 1:49:27.080 --> 1:49:30.920 battling him, see it, hm, and you want to be 1:49:30.960 --> 1:49:33.320 the best battle to see. If you lose a battle, 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:36.439 then don't take it as a loss. Take it as 1:49:36.439 --> 1:49:40.080 a lesson, and then it's not a loss. There's a lesson. 1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:42.080 You know what I'm saying. Figure out what you did 1:49:42.080 --> 1:49:46.640 wrong like a boxer, you know, because I mean I 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:50.839 remember people asking me about the whole jay Z Nas 1:49:51.000 --> 1:49:55.680 thing speaking to King and who are you going with that? 1:49:56.560 --> 1:50:02.040 I said, no way, And I was wrong, no way 1:50:02.080 --> 1:50:05.599 about who were what? I thought that there was no 1:50:05.680 --> 1:50:10.519 way that nas could could couldn't win that. I thought 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:12.920 there was no for the simple fact that you funked 1:50:13.000 --> 1:50:17.080 up game. I'm saying, I think the moment it makes 1:50:17.479 --> 1:50:19.559 no because here's here's the thing. Yeah, I need to 1:50:19.560 --> 1:50:24.600 hear your theory. I knew the jay Z was more sardcasting, 1:50:26.400 --> 1:50:30.559 and when I met Naws, I didn't really see no 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:33.840 sense of humor, you know what I'm saying. It was 1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:37.240 the first time you met nas Um tell me John 1:50:37.240 --> 1:50:40.840 Blade Studio, No ump, John Blade Video, No no, No, 1:50:41.400 --> 1:50:52.639 Unique Studio, Unique Studio, Seventh Street Studio. Yeah, yeah, okay, 1:50:52.680 --> 1:50:56.200 well the first time I met you, Oh yeah, you 1:50:56.280 --> 1:51:01.960 get to that later, come on, let's yeah, it was 1:51:02.040 --> 1:51:06.040 on that on Unique Studios, Unique Studio, and we was 1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:09.200 chopping it up, and I mean, I didn't see a 1:51:09.320 --> 1:51:12.120 sense of humor and him, you know what I'm saying. 1:51:12.200 --> 1:51:14.320 But if you'd have met his brother Jungle, you were 1:51:14.479 --> 1:51:17.360 new that's the funniest thing in the world. Well, see 1:51:17.360 --> 1:51:20.519 you you you more inside? So I just said. So 1:51:20.600 --> 1:51:23.120 it's like I'm sitting there like knowing jay z sense 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:27.439 of humor. I'm like, you know someone that you know this, 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:30.880 don't have fun, don't play around because see, in my mind, 1:51:31.400 --> 1:51:35.479 I guess I was I was seeing another battle playing out. Okay, 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:43.000 so someone else had a sense of humorous Because look, 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:49.280 when people they hear me like on on an Eminem record, right, 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:51.040 this is the first time I'm ever gonna say this. 1:51:51.040 --> 1:51:53.160 This is the I did two or three interviews where 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:55.920 people asked me you even call you even called me, 1:51:55.960 --> 1:52:03.720 get you a foul guy? Gets that's gay? The answers gay. 1:52:03.880 --> 1:52:09.280 So look, so when I heard Eminem uh against jay Z, 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:15.840 I've never looked at it like m destroyed. I just 1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:20.360 did because I actually kind of related to jay Z's 1:52:20.640 --> 1:52:23.680 versus more than I did Eminem. And that's not I 1:52:23.720 --> 1:52:25.880 love him in it. It's just I don't even knowing 1:52:25.960 --> 1:52:31.599 the Biblical because it was it's really residuals. I don't 1:52:31.640 --> 1:52:34.400 know that, right, but I know like awkward and boxed 1:52:34.479 --> 1:52:39.800 lefty in the door, like I know that, right, So 1:52:39.880 --> 1:52:44.120 people think that I'm crazy when I say that. I 1:52:44.360 --> 1:52:47.679 look at that record as if it's a great record, 1:52:47.920 --> 1:52:52.840 right you even know or that Jay you're talking about, 1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:56.320 I don't think. I don't feel like Jay got body right. 1:52:56.960 --> 1:53:04.720 But on either and to take over NAS on one 1:53:04.800 --> 1:53:11.000 Man one if you get here, just take over to 1:53:11.120 --> 1:53:15.400 ether now super ugly. I don't even want to count 1:53:15.439 --> 1:53:18.639 that because it was an emotional record. You can tell 1:53:20.520 --> 1:53:23.040 like Jay is one of our best mcs. We can't 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:25.120 even we shouldn't even judge him, we shouldn't even rate 1:53:25.240 --> 1:53:27.880 him or for that, let's just do with those two things. 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:30.840 Nas definitely one and James my man Nas my man. 1:53:31.360 --> 1:53:34.200 But now I think yeah, but because of what you said, 1:53:34.680 --> 1:53:37.360 it's because of I felt like he took it too serious, 1:53:37.360 --> 1:53:39.200 like you feel like a battle front? Who take it? 1:53:39.920 --> 1:53:42.280 I feel like Jay took it too serious like no, no, 1:53:42.400 --> 1:53:45.439 I mean no, you you could be right, because I 1:53:45.479 --> 1:53:49.360 don't think that JA expected what NAS did on either. 1:53:50.800 --> 1:53:55.320 Do you think that Jay underperformed or NAS overperformed? So 1:53:55.400 --> 1:54:00.840 when you thought to what you thought in terms of 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:04.360 humor and all that stuff that Jay z bodied gnaws 1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:09.719 on Takeover, It's just that the response that NAS had 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:12.920 on Ether. I didn't see coming in a million years. 1:54:13.080 --> 1:54:15.240 I ain't gonna lie to you. And he took a 1:54:15.240 --> 1:54:18.800 long time to remember game he didn't just a small now, 1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:22.040 y'all days a personally do a record. You gotta do 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:25.080 it next week he took. He took a little top. 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:28.360 I don't even remember, like the window looks like it 1:54:28.439 --> 1:54:31.840 was a big Yeah, it was, yeah killed I'm a queens. 1:54:34.640 --> 1:54:39.800 Oh god, damn it. I mean he killed Ether. I 1:54:39.880 --> 1:54:44.480 never like, would have never expected that from Naws. Like 1:54:45.120 --> 1:54:50.440 years later I had remember, I had a conversation with 1:54:50.600 --> 1:54:53.880 Nas and that was the first time I really saw 1:54:54.000 --> 1:54:58.000 like his sense of humor. Oh no, now it's a 1:54:58.000 --> 1:55:02.440 funny naer. Yeah, all of earning niggas from Vernon, it's 1:55:03.760 --> 1:55:06.800 niggas is funny niggas. I but I'm saying, when I 1:55:06.840 --> 1:55:11.280 first met I'm studio, it's quiet, yeah, quiet, like he 1:55:11.320 --> 1:55:13.880 was really sitting there talking through me and taking it in. 1:55:14.280 --> 1:55:16.640 But no, of course you would let you came. Of course, 1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:18.720 nobody want to be funny in front of you. Can't 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:27.400 come on, can't come on. Listen in the line. When 1:55:27.680 --> 1:55:29.840 when people meet you, they hug you, and I mean 1:55:29.920 --> 1:55:32.160 they get your five But in the mind. Even if 1:55:32.200 --> 1:55:34.560 they don't do it, they're going like this, it's facts. 1:55:35.080 --> 1:55:37.600 They're going back this man. Let me tell you something, Man, 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:41.760 you really laid it out for us to play it out. 1:55:42.840 --> 1:55:46.760 You was the guy in front of you know, Masses 1:55:47.760 --> 1:56:03.320 finging Pop mcdonna. You know again figure pop. If your yo, 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:06.320 you got, you had, you had, you had, you know 1:56:06.880 --> 1:56:12.280 these these tremendous records you toward. You did everything. And 1:56:12.360 --> 1:56:14.200 the thing about Drink Chance, we don't want you to 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:17.120 ever feel like your life is over or your life 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:21.360 has ever been misplaced. He had drink Chance. We want 1:56:21.400 --> 1:56:23.960 to pick up these other young boys. They got these 1:56:24.040 --> 1:56:26.840 other outlets where they can go on and they could 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:29.240 play their music. And that's not where the hell drink 1:56:29.320 --> 1:56:31.960 Champs and drink Champs. We want to salute all legends 1:56:33.400 --> 1:56:37.440 that and no no on, yo, my dude, listen, I 1:56:37.480 --> 1:56:41.920 got thick eyebrows right now because I was cutting my eyebrows. 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:45.360 I was I had three cuts in my eyebrows trying 1:56:45.400 --> 1:56:50.320 to wild out. You know that, jay Z Larry, you 1:56:50.400 --> 1:56:53.800 know I see the same thing happened to Kame. Three 1:56:53.920 --> 1:56:59.600 cuts in your yo, Yo, Look nook my studs already 1:56:59.640 --> 1:57:01.760 think any way. But I was like, I was a 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:04.360 young nigga, like eleven years old and I cut my 1:57:04.520 --> 1:57:08.880 three Do you know how influential you was whatever you did. 1:57:09.960 --> 1:57:12.560 But that's just the reason why Jay has to always 1:57:12.600 --> 1:57:17.640 salute you, because he actually like, whatever you did, you 1:57:17.760 --> 1:57:20.360 came out of the road. We wanted a road. You 1:57:20.480 --> 1:57:22.880 had a four finger ring, We wanted the ring. You 1:57:22.960 --> 1:57:25.720 had a rope chain, We wanted a rope change. I 1:57:25.840 --> 1:57:29.280 was just being wanted sent honest, that's love. I appreciate. 1:57:29.480 --> 1:57:31.480 I appreciate that. Like you you was. You was the 1:57:33.120 --> 1:57:37.480 what's that ship? Called that trading setter? Whatever you did, 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:40.760 we followed like, how did That's what? That's what you? 1:57:41.480 --> 1:57:44.480 You know? You you you have to be man, You 1:57:44.640 --> 1:57:47.080 have to be that. You know what I'm saying. You 1:57:47.360 --> 1:57:53.480 have to create, you know, your own lane. You have 1:57:53.720 --> 1:57:57.840 to create that. Otherwise, you know, you just another piece 1:57:57.920 --> 1:58:01.960 on the table. Man. You have to create your own lane. 1:58:02.320 --> 1:58:06.720 What makes you? You need you know? And I mean, 1:58:07.720 --> 1:58:09.680 don't get it funked up big on me. I mean 1:58:09.960 --> 1:58:15.840 I think that you are a very unique artist yourself, man, 1:58:16.480 --> 1:58:19.840 because it's like, no, no cares about you today. But 1:58:20.920 --> 1:58:22.520 I'm ann switch to subject cause I see you trying 1:58:22.520 --> 1:58:26.120 to switch. I'm good at my game. Let me tell 1:58:26.160 --> 1:58:28.880 you something, King. One of the things that I want 1:58:28.880 --> 1:58:32.080 to do right, and it's with all this transitioning of 1:58:32.320 --> 1:58:37.560 how the coaches moving. What I thought of was, you know, 1:58:37.640 --> 1:58:40.480 I watched the n w A movie. I watched all 1:58:40.520 --> 1:58:43.720 these other people movie right now. It's in the two 1:58:43.800 --> 1:58:47.000 Things One we gotta tell the Big Daddy King started 1:58:47.440 --> 1:58:52.200 what's it called buyout biopick. We gotta get a big 1:58:52.280 --> 1:58:56.880 Daddy King biopick. And not only that, but this is 1:58:57.400 --> 1:59:01.240 also idea that I had. I wanted to do the 1:59:01.320 --> 1:59:07.120 Clarence thirteen X movie. And as I'm looking at you, 1:59:07.960 --> 1:59:11.280 I think you would play the Fall? Now? Could you? 1:59:11.440 --> 1:59:13.320 Could you? Could you think you can pull off playing 1:59:13.360 --> 1:59:15.640 the Fall of Clarence thirteen X and more? I mean 1:59:15.960 --> 1:59:18.920 why not? I don't see the why not neither? Why not? 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:22.240 I don't I don't see or not. I only see Yes? 1:59:25.280 --> 1:59:28.240 Would that be your ultimate role as an actor? I mean, hey, brother, 1:59:28.600 --> 1:59:37.120 you call your people, I call mine. Let's got that? 1:59:38.240 --> 1:59:40.800 Is that a movie that needs to be necessary because 1:59:40.840 --> 1:59:44.400 you grew up? You know, um father Ciship. I think 1:59:44.520 --> 1:59:47.720 that I think that it would be beautiful I mean, 1:59:47.760 --> 1:59:50.760 to be honest with you, the state of the world today, 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:57.400 anything that has a positive view, you know what I'm saying, 1:59:59.080 --> 2:00:05.960 Anything that would be uplifting to black people in this time, 2:00:06.800 --> 2:00:08.920 you know what I'm saying. And I have to say 2:00:09.040 --> 2:00:11.280 black people, you know what I'm saying. I have to 2:00:11.480 --> 2:00:15.080 you know, be that specific because I mean, you know, 2:00:15.280 --> 2:00:20.600 this is an error where not only you know, are 2:00:20.680 --> 2:00:25.920 we going through so much with police brutality and you know, um, 2:00:26.840 --> 2:00:30.680 you know, just that whole lack of masculinity, you know. 2:00:30.880 --> 2:00:33.760 I mean not only that, it's the type of thing 2:00:33.920 --> 2:00:38.400 where we're going against each other just to be famous 2:00:38.520 --> 2:00:43.680 on social media. You know what I'm saying. It's the 2:00:43.760 --> 2:00:46.040 type of thing we're right now. We we we were 2:00:46.040 --> 2:00:50.080 in a situation where you know, one black people go 2:00:50.120 --> 2:00:55.360 against another just to be able to say, you know, 2:00:55.720 --> 2:01:01.920 just just something important or just be recognized on social media, 2:01:02.720 --> 2:01:04.920 you know. And I mean it's like, you know, it's 2:01:05.000 --> 2:01:08.080 it's it's just sad because it's it's not unified, it's 2:01:08.120 --> 2:01:10.920 not uplift. But you remember your days like they were 2:01:11.000 --> 2:01:14.200 structure like five percent, people like I remember, like people 2:01:14.360 --> 2:01:17.400 like you know, coming out like and if they knew 2:01:17.480 --> 2:01:20.200 my mother. The guards would check me. The guards will 2:01:20.240 --> 2:01:22.360 be like, yo, you don't have that, no more like 2:01:22.440 --> 2:01:24.560 if you don't even have that, I don't even have 2:01:24.680 --> 2:01:27.240 that in the industry. Meaning, but that's deeper than your days. 2:01:28.160 --> 2:01:29.600 You know what I'm saying that you go back to 2:01:29.680 --> 2:01:32.280 the seventies. You know what, it's go back to the 2:01:32.400 --> 2:01:35.880 seventies with black panthers and so on. You know, I mean, 2:01:36.040 --> 2:01:39.360 so's it's not like it was just you know, a thing, 2:01:39.520 --> 2:01:41.640 you know with the five percent. It's this is something 2:01:41.680 --> 2:01:45.000 that's that's that's deep. That went on a matter of fact, 2:01:45.040 --> 2:01:47.440 even prior to that, you know what I'm saying, like like, 2:01:48.000 --> 2:01:49.040 you know, I don't know if you know, you know, 2:01:49.600 --> 2:01:51.360 you know, you got your grandparents are still with us. 2:01:51.360 --> 2:01:53.520 But I mean they don't tell you. You know. It's like, yeah, 2:01:54.160 --> 2:01:56.640 you know, they see a child over here fucking up 2:01:58.560 --> 2:02:02.600 a village, a village, you know, you know, ain't you 2:02:02.920 --> 2:02:05.960 such boy? What you doing? They whooped gas and they're 2:02:05.960 --> 2:02:08.120 gonna tell your parents. But but but but you know, 2:02:08.400 --> 2:02:10.320 that's when I see what's happening in the rap game. 2:02:10.680 --> 2:02:18.240 In the rap game, Oh you you guys helped us 2:02:19.040 --> 2:02:23.800 and we it's our false it's my generations for we 2:02:23.960 --> 2:02:26.400 didn't give a funk about helping the next guys. And 2:02:26.480 --> 2:02:29.800 I'm not saying me in particular because generation everybody who 2:02:30.040 --> 2:02:34.000 who I could help? Nah? Okay, yeah, because you be 2:02:34.160 --> 2:02:38.240 be careful how you choose your words, because um nah, 2:02:38.800 --> 2:02:44.080 I don't think that this really started until the New Millennium. 2:02:44.520 --> 2:02:48.040 I don't think this started with your ever. I think 2:02:48.120 --> 2:02:51.520 this started with the New Millennium. You know what. That's 2:02:51.560 --> 2:02:54.120 when this ship started to New Millennium when they didn't 2:02:54.160 --> 2:02:56.840 they respect the elders. You're saying, well, I think what 2:02:57.000 --> 2:03:00.080 basically happened is like you know, when we end to 2:03:00.600 --> 2:03:06.440 into this new century. Um, it wasn't a type of 2:03:06.520 --> 2:03:09.280 thing where cats that you know used to promote Stephanie 2:03:09.320 --> 2:03:11.960 Mills in the gap band all them or in control 2:03:12.040 --> 2:03:14.120 of rap where they confused. I don't know what the 2:03:14.240 --> 2:03:18.040 hell they're doing now we actually have people in control 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:24.200 of rap that group. They understand it probably was a 2:03:24.280 --> 2:03:28.120 rapper himself that didn't make it. You know what I'm saying. 2:03:29.040 --> 2:03:33.320 They meant that someone that said I don't like grimy, 2:03:34.480 --> 2:03:37.880 I don't like nothing. Why did I nigger get a deal? 2:03:39.600 --> 2:03:43.040 I'm gonna put some real artists, I know on and 2:03:43.160 --> 2:03:47.080 you see they have this here mentality, you know what 2:03:47.120 --> 2:03:51.320 I'm saying, And it's like, you know what what started happening, 2:03:51.360 --> 2:03:55.800 And it's like, you know, people bringing in their camp, 2:03:57.320 --> 2:04:01.920 their people, their friends may get them stars regardless of 2:04:02.040 --> 2:04:07.000 skills exactly. So now therefore skills is going out the window. 2:04:08.840 --> 2:04:14.840 And then from um label standpoint, you know the stuff 2:04:14.880 --> 2:04:18.040 that we all went through. Hey, well you know um 2:04:20.480 --> 2:04:26.720 my ship on double platform, we need to discuss these contracts. 2:04:28.320 --> 2:04:32.800 They start changing that, creating these one off deals or whatever, 2:04:33.040 --> 2:04:35.400 you know, and all this and stuff with artists and 2:04:35.520 --> 2:04:38.160 three six deals. Well that came later, you know what 2:04:38.240 --> 2:04:42.880 I'm saying, after the sales started to you know, um, 2:04:43.360 --> 2:04:46.560 you know, go to key and the sales started to 2:04:46.640 --> 2:04:48.520 decrease in yeah, okay, yeah, we're gonna need a little 2:04:48.520 --> 2:04:50.200 bit of your show money. We're gonna need a little 2:04:50.200 --> 2:04:53.720 bit of merchant, you know. And you know it's like, 2:04:53.920 --> 2:04:56.320 you know, here we are in a whole different state 2:04:56.640 --> 2:04:59.240 of hip hop where you know, these artists are getting 2:04:59.320 --> 2:05:03.280 terrib rble deals. But you know it's like what she 2:05:03.360 --> 2:05:10.040 was asking earlier about the older generation, It's like, yeah, 2:05:11.600 --> 2:05:15.280 Mel might have been Funky and whatever happened with Moe 2:05:15.440 --> 2:05:19.520 and l. But I tell you this, Mel did sit 2:05:19.600 --> 2:05:22.760 and tell me about his career. Mel did sit and 2:05:22.840 --> 2:05:25.600 tell me the ends and out of his business when 2:05:25.680 --> 2:05:28.600 I got into it. When I wrote the Lucy's rap song, 2:05:30.280 --> 2:05:34.200 um Man, Rick James sat down with me and gave 2:05:34.280 --> 2:05:40.320 me a whole spill on the industry James. Rick James 2:05:40.440 --> 2:05:48.880 sat and gave me a whole spill. And I came 2:05:48.920 --> 2:05:51.280 to this meeting on some arrogant ship, on some old 2:05:51.360 --> 2:05:55.680 you know fun Rick, you said, Rick, not because it 2:05:55.800 --> 2:05:58.200 was with my man. He was always bragging me about 2:05:58.440 --> 2:06:01.440 you know. You know how while it was a regular 2:06:02.120 --> 2:06:04.880 and exactly you know, I was in I'll do my 2:06:04.960 --> 2:06:06.720 thing thing, you know, so I was like, you know, 2:06:07.000 --> 2:06:10.600 I get asked. You know, fun Rick was stiff this time. 2:06:11.640 --> 2:06:13.600 I didn't see him do it, but I didn't see coke. 2:06:13.800 --> 2:06:18.720 It was Okay, that's another I'll tell you. I'll get 2:06:19.120 --> 2:06:20.960 I'll get to that as soon as I finished, because 2:06:21.000 --> 2:06:23.600 that's a hell of a story. But anyway, I mean, 2:06:23.680 --> 2:06:25.680 it's like Vick James was giving me game. I mean, 2:06:25.720 --> 2:06:28.800 there's so many Baby White giving me games. There were 2:06:28.840 --> 2:06:31.160 so many artists that was giving me game. You see 2:06:31.160 --> 2:06:36.920 what I'm saying, Jelil from Houdini, giving me serious game. 2:06:37.360 --> 2:06:39.160 You know what I'm saying. And I mean, like, this 2:06:39.280 --> 2:06:40.720 is the type of stuff I tried to do with 2:06:40.880 --> 2:06:43.120 jay Z. Like I told you earlier about Mr C 2:06:43.320 --> 2:06:46.680 calling me um with Big on the line, I'm telling 2:06:46.760 --> 2:06:49.800 Big how I would handle this situation, what I think 2:06:49.880 --> 2:06:51.600 he should do. You know what I'm saying. And this 2:06:51.680 --> 2:06:55.080 is the new generation. You know what I'm saying. Did 2:06:55.160 --> 2:06:58.040 you ever disappoint you at some point? Like you know 2:06:58.320 --> 2:07:01.800 you guys connected, he was there for him. I can't 2:07:02.280 --> 2:07:04.280 be honest with you. I can't really say that because 2:07:04.360 --> 2:07:07.600 it's like I've always known Jay the way he is. 2:07:08.320 --> 2:07:10.840 I know the type the person he is, So there's 2:07:10.880 --> 2:07:13.720 no way he can disappoint me, you know, because I 2:07:13.760 --> 2:07:16.600 mean I know, I know him. I know, Yeah, I 2:07:17.360 --> 2:07:20.280 know what to expect from Jay, and I'm happy for 2:07:20.440 --> 2:07:24.040 him and I wish him continue success, you know, um. 2:07:24.680 --> 2:07:26.640 But I mean yeah, it's like, you know, and I 2:07:26.720 --> 2:07:31.240 don't know what um Uh, jay Z and Tupac and 2:07:31.320 --> 2:07:34.200 these cats and Biggie what they did for any other 2:07:34.320 --> 2:07:36.480 upcoming generation. But I mean, you know, it's like you 2:07:36.560 --> 2:07:39.840 know um. I mean, I mean I've heard stories about 2:07:39.880 --> 2:07:43.000 with Jay and Kanye, Dame Dash and Kanye whatever you 2:07:43.080 --> 2:07:47.560 know I call and with ludicrous you know, and eminem 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:50.720 always you know shouts you know, out at the sense 2:07:50.760 --> 2:07:53.960 as myself, Rock cam Um several others. So I mean, 2:07:54.120 --> 2:07:57.600 it's like it was passed on. But then you know, 2:07:57.680 --> 2:08:01.920 there came a point where Day kept a support. There 2:08:02.000 --> 2:08:05.160 was a separation not created through the artists, created through 2:08:05.160 --> 2:08:07.880 the industry of course, you know what I'm saying. Through 2:08:07.880 --> 2:08:11.720 the later expiration Days will put on. Why why do 2:08:11.800 --> 2:08:13.320 you think it's like that in a hip hoply like 2:08:13.400 --> 2:08:16.840 to me, to me, I want to prove like the 2:08:16.960 --> 2:08:19.640 point that like I could have won the championship, I 2:08:19.680 --> 2:08:22.200 could have been a Shaquille on Nil like you know, 2:08:22.400 --> 2:08:26.480 I've I've been platinum of you know, had gold albums 2:08:26.520 --> 2:08:28.560 and now I want to turn it to media. So 2:08:29.160 --> 2:08:31.960 I would have shown people that, you know, you could 2:08:32.000 --> 2:08:34.440 be cool growing old. I'm forty years old, just turned 2:08:34.520 --> 2:08:39.120 forty years old. Why is it that people want to 2:08:39.160 --> 2:08:43.000 give hip hop and aspiration day why? Well, I think 2:08:43.200 --> 2:08:45.200 one of the reasons. I think one of the reasons 2:08:45.360 --> 2:08:51.560 is that if the youth of today connect with your generation, 2:08:52.080 --> 2:08:54.000 because you have to me, you know, so if you 2:08:55.160 --> 2:09:02.600 didn't really have to say of course. But if they 2:09:02.760 --> 2:09:07.680 connect with you, then comes you schooling them on what 2:09:07.880 --> 2:09:10.560 real hip hop is and might make them want to 2:09:10.640 --> 2:09:14.240 think for themselves, because right now they're not thinking for 2:09:14.320 --> 2:09:18.160 themselves because they'd be a brainwash. What they're hearing on 2:09:18.240 --> 2:09:21.880 the radio. Yeah, well not just they're they're told this 2:09:22.040 --> 2:09:23.680 is what we need, we need you to do this. 2:09:23.880 --> 2:09:30.600 We need to just sound like we need social media radio. Yeah, 2:09:35.480 --> 2:09:37.000 you know, k you know what about you know what 2:09:37.000 --> 2:09:39.040 I'm talking about? No, I mean no, no, for real, 2:09:39.120 --> 2:09:42.240 that's that's what they tell you. No, listen, we're looking 2:09:42.280 --> 2:09:44.840 for something more like a you know, can you do this? 2:09:45.440 --> 2:09:48.800 All right? Well, going down the bridles on us, get 2:09:48.840 --> 2:09:50.720 your address and come on the funk with me, and 2:09:50.760 --> 2:09:52.320 we were gonna make this his song happen for you. 2:09:52.600 --> 2:09:57.520 And that's what's happening. It's a dude guy right now. 2:09:57.720 --> 2:10:00.360 You can see the guy his a wedding dre that song. 2:10:00.840 --> 2:10:03.920 Oh yeah, he's from Florida too, He's that's what I heard. 2:10:03.920 --> 2:10:06.880 That's what I heard. God bless your negs in Florida. 2:10:10.840 --> 2:10:13.120 Hold on, hold all right, let's take one break. I 2:10:13.160 --> 2:10:16.040 gotta take one more Pistons's follow you on bread and 2:10:16.200 --> 2:10:18.000 we spoking smoke. Gets me here real quick, cause I 2:10:18.000 --> 2:10:20.440 know you gotta asked. All right, cool, get to me 2:10:20.520 --> 2:10:25.440 in real quick. Cane over there. Okay, can you ain't 2:10:25.520 --> 2:10:30.720 drink the whole bottom by yourself? He's showing up. I'm 2:10:30.720 --> 2:10:34.480 definitely gonna take a glass. I thought you said we 2:10:34.680 --> 2:10:39.040 was drinking drinking? Is he going to here? Gonna what 2:10:39.160 --> 2:10:42.680 taver with us afterwards? What? I'm sure you're good. You 2:10:42.760 --> 2:10:46.000 got a flight? Okay, I got an early flight too. 2:10:46.000 --> 2:10:50.440 It's okay, you've been doing it. Yeah, he just has 2:10:50.520 --> 2:10:54.640 to fly this time of year. You just gonna fly 2:10:54.840 --> 2:10:57.880 for the reason I used to hit your moms back. Yeah, 2:10:58.000 --> 2:11:02.720 get your mouths up, were calling. I'm about seventeen ship segments. 2:11:02.720 --> 2:11:08.960 Shot myself. Man, if you got great so Vegas, then 2:11:09.040 --> 2:11:12.160 back and then l A and back into up. I'm 2:11:12.200 --> 2:11:16.120 plating them one kid again. My team sucks now, American 2:11:16.160 --> 2:11:18.920 Airlines suck them, man, That's what I'm That's what I'm 2:11:18.920 --> 2:11:22.160 going too. But seventeen segments to make executive platform. I'm 2:11:22.160 --> 2:11:25.600 planning just regular platform. I'm planning the pro but I'm 2:11:25.640 --> 2:11:27.280 trying to get that exactly. How do you feel about 2:11:27.280 --> 2:11:29.280 what's going on with him right now? Where you separated 2:11:29.280 --> 2:11:34.600 the ship and people out one they said, don't fly, 2:11:35.600 --> 2:11:40.160 But I thought Tyler Perry American what I thought he 2:11:40.720 --> 2:11:43.360 saw it? I thought he had something to do with that. Yeah, 2:11:44.640 --> 2:11:47.920 one more shot, because you know we're here with came 2:11:48.040 --> 2:11:51.520 man and let me just tell you something, man, can 2:11:51.560 --> 2:11:56.560 you are very much appreciated. Absolutely, you are very much. 2:11:58.480 --> 2:12:01.280 When we started this program, we we just wanted to 2:12:01.880 --> 2:12:05.320 We figured, you know, these guys they come out, they 2:12:05.360 --> 2:12:08.280 have one hit Wonders and they you know, they have 2:12:08.400 --> 2:12:11.920 a luxtrious two or three years, and we want to 2:12:12.000 --> 2:12:14.480 respect them too. We don't we don't have nothing against them, 2:12:15.440 --> 2:12:17.480 but we want to respect the aur legends who got 2:12:18.240 --> 2:12:27.640 you know, ten fifty years in his career. Because we 2:12:27.800 --> 2:12:30.760 noticed that every other genre in music, when you have 2:12:30.920 --> 2:12:35.440 that longevity, you're saluted. But in hip hop you have 2:12:35.600 --> 2:12:38.680 that longevity and they call you old or they call 2:12:38.760 --> 2:12:43.360 you wash stuff, though they call you man. I want 2:12:43.400 --> 2:12:45.960 to stop using the world relevant because the world relevant 2:12:46.040 --> 2:12:48.520 is only relevant to people who use that world relevancee 2:12:48.680 --> 2:12:51.400 relevant to see relevant. You know what I'm saying you 2:12:51.520 --> 2:12:55.320 got big Daddy Kane fans who will probably never listen 2:12:55.440 --> 2:12:59.440 to these new guys, right, and then vice versa, it 2:12:59.560 --> 2:13:02.000 doesn't mean it doesn't take away from you to take 2:13:02.040 --> 2:13:06.920 away from them. The thing is, if you had this 2:13:07.920 --> 2:13:12.360 career where you lived over ten years and twelve and 2:13:12.520 --> 2:13:15.360 thirteen years and here, this is where we want to 2:13:15.360 --> 2:13:17.200 salute you. This is where we want to pick our 2:13:17.280 --> 2:13:21.040 people up, from you to Chuck D the care arrest 2:13:21.160 --> 2:13:26.040 one to to a d MX, to uh whoever. We 2:13:26.200 --> 2:13:27.920 want to sit here and we want to let our 2:13:28.000 --> 2:13:31.880 legends know that you have a place in hip hop 2:13:32.760 --> 2:13:36.040 and you will forever be remembered for what you did 2:13:36.680 --> 2:13:39.920 for hip and you are hip hop and that's what 2:13:40.160 --> 2:13:42.880 this is about. We are honored that these people will 2:13:42.920 --> 2:13:45.640 come and listen to us, But even if the people 2:13:45.680 --> 2:13:47.840 ain't come and listen to us, we'll be honored to 2:13:47.920 --> 2:13:50.720 do this and sit before listen. I'm glad to be 2:13:50.760 --> 2:13:59.240 a part of it. Man, sit before that. Look, I'm 2:13:59.280 --> 2:14:02.000 gonna pop that last battle. Look. Look, look we got 2:14:02.080 --> 2:14:04.960 to have a drink with me. I have a drink 2:14:05.000 --> 2:14:07.440 with you. I already separated my cops. Look that's my 2:14:07.560 --> 2:14:09.800 rare wine cup. Right there. I'm gonna have a drink. 2:14:10.680 --> 2:14:12.840 I'm gonna do one more shot. They're don't get about it. 2:14:14.000 --> 2:14:16.480 Oh I look at that can. Okay, I ain't gonna lock. 2:14:17.080 --> 2:14:19.400 Oh look but can? Did you did you have a 2:14:19.520 --> 2:14:23.600 glass of rose in two thousand? In seventeen? This is 2:14:23.640 --> 2:14:26.840 the new ship. This is the kids drinking. Ok you 2:14:26.920 --> 2:14:28.640 got I have a drink with you. You have a 2:14:28.720 --> 2:14:31.000 drink with me, and we got we got a gift 2:14:31.080 --> 2:14:34.960 for you from eight and nine. Thank you? He got mad? 2:14:35.040 --> 2:14:38.520 Guess he got mad? Guess? Yeah, I want, I want, 2:14:38.560 --> 2:14:41.160 I want to turn you onto something else to man okay, 2:14:41.640 --> 2:14:44.720 like like like you you enter the champagne. No, I'm 2:14:44.760 --> 2:14:50.320 in a champagne. Yea, there's a champagne called Billa card someone. Okay, 2:14:50.320 --> 2:14:52.560 I've devin never heard of that. You're very rich, cam 2:14:52.720 --> 2:14:58.240 Sorry continue that's it sounded rich? Better call sound harm 2:14:58.680 --> 2:15:02.280 what I have? Mom? Listen to say it again? Thing 2:15:02.680 --> 2:15:08.120 the loo across someone you listen, no real talk. You 2:15:08.240 --> 2:15:11.000 need to try that to call some more. Um no, 2:15:11.120 --> 2:15:13.320 because I mean like you have missed with like the 2:15:13.400 --> 2:15:17.280 wove a click yeah yeah, like and how it don't 2:15:17.400 --> 2:15:21.880 really have that? You know that that that master see 2:15:22.000 --> 2:15:25.640 no spell. Look you used to finish. I learned this 2:15:25.720 --> 2:15:30.000 in parish ship. Look at that? Can't I can't look 2:15:30.040 --> 2:15:31.960 at that? And you know what you gotta do. You 2:15:32.040 --> 2:15:38.400 gotta twist. So come on, give me, give me a cane, cup, 2:15:38.440 --> 2:15:40.040 Give me a cup. I'm gonna take one of yours. 2:15:40.080 --> 2:15:41.760 You gotta take. You gotta take something. This is what 2:15:41.840 --> 2:15:47.320 the kids look, didn't you. Yep, that's that's that's make 2:15:47.400 --> 2:15:50.480 sure that's not something that was water. That's what we 2:15:50.560 --> 2:15:54.720 wanted first. First, you gotta look if you want, you 2:15:54.760 --> 2:15:58.600 gotta need to cool. Alright, cool, good cane. The cane 2:15:58.680 --> 2:16:01.760 chooses cup, said King. God, damn, I look at that, King, 2:16:01.840 --> 2:16:07.480 Look at look how pouring at it. Okay, okay, okay, 2:16:08.600 --> 2:16:12.040 you're okay. Now you told you to drink. I boared 2:16:12.080 --> 2:16:15.520 you and I'm gonna drink you poured me. This is 2:16:15.600 --> 2:16:19.000 too big, Daddy, King, for all your accolades, for everything 2:16:19.040 --> 2:16:22.400 you did for hip hop, for everything you contributed to 2:16:22.560 --> 2:16:25.520 hip hop, for every time you had a bad day 2:16:25.560 --> 2:16:27.240 in hip hop, for every time you had a good 2:16:27.360 --> 2:16:29.680 day in hip hop, every time you had a medium 2:16:29.760 --> 2:16:31.440 day in hip hop, We want you to know that 2:16:31.520 --> 2:16:34.040 you will always be welcome and drink chats. Any time 2:16:34.080 --> 2:16:37.000 you want to introduce anything that you're doing in life, 2:16:37.280 --> 2:16:44.760 we are here for you. Me and DJA. We got 2:16:44.840 --> 2:16:46.760 a couple a couple of questions before we get out 2:16:46.800 --> 2:16:50.000 of here because my brother, Weird Thoughts reminded me of something. 2:16:50.280 --> 2:16:53.880 Weird Thoughts one of my favorite tracks that you were 2:16:54.000 --> 2:16:59.400 part of collectively, Burne Hollywood Burn Chuck d Ice. Qu 2:17:00.200 --> 2:17:03.000 Uh huh? How did this come about? What was? Just 2:17:03.160 --> 2:17:07.840 give me? Huck had a concept, he said, what it was, 2:17:09.920 --> 2:17:14.520 That's what I'd be down. I said, yeah, and we 2:17:14.680 --> 2:17:16.760 made it, made it happen, and I mean, you know, 2:17:16.879 --> 2:17:20.880 it was like he had a visual because I mean 2:17:20.959 --> 2:17:22.840 it was like, even though he had already explained to 2:17:22.959 --> 2:17:26.440 me what it was about, when it was time to 2:17:26.520 --> 2:17:30.439 do it, he explained again and win the deep detail 2:17:30.680 --> 2:17:34.800 and using references and all that year. You know, I 2:17:34.840 --> 2:17:36.760 don't know if you know Chuck, but you know Chuck 2:17:36.879 --> 2:17:39.560 Chuck Chuck Yell, you know, so you know, he long winded, 2:17:40.560 --> 2:17:43.680 you know, and he went to deep, deep, deep, deep 2:17:44.000 --> 2:17:46.640 deep details. But I mean it was the type of 2:17:46.680 --> 2:17:49.320 thing was like, bro, I'm happy to be on the song, 2:17:49.440 --> 2:17:53.840 but that's the first time you had worked with Q. Yeah. Yeah, 2:17:55.240 --> 2:17:57.840 like I admit Cube, you know Cube was always cool, 2:17:58.920 --> 2:18:03.680 you know, but working together. Yeah. So and in the way, 2:18:03.720 --> 2:18:06.160 one more, Paul, where you at ball drinking sports? He had? 2:18:06.200 --> 2:18:09.120 He has another question. I didn't have a question as 2:18:09.280 --> 2:18:11.360 as a fan. How was it when he did one 2:18:11.400 --> 2:18:14.120 time a time at the man took off his hat, 2:18:21.560 --> 2:18:24.119 keep your hat on, Keep your hat on? When when 2:18:24.160 --> 2:18:26.600 you did the lean on me? Because that was on 2:18:26.760 --> 2:18:30.160 with Morgan Freeman and Robert Gallus passed the way a 2:18:30.200 --> 2:18:32.039 couple of days ago. You meet him like, how did 2:18:32.360 --> 2:18:34.040 how did you get on the song? How did you 2:18:34.120 --> 2:18:37.720 get the actual soundtrack? We want the song because of 2:18:37.840 --> 2:18:41.760 Bennie Medina. Um, you know, I guess let me just 2:18:42.280 --> 2:18:45.000 throw out Benny. The name came up a couple of 2:18:45.080 --> 2:18:46.960 times on this podcast. I just want to throw it 2:18:47.040 --> 2:18:51.320 out there. Bennie Medina's name came up with Mariah Carey 2:18:51.520 --> 2:18:56.879 and Jay Long. Continue Latino. He's talking about Big Nicks 2:18:57.000 --> 2:18:59.400 right now. Sorry, yeah, you know Bennie mcginna. You know 2:18:59.560 --> 2:19:03.200 he was, um, you know, because Kine so smooth, he said, 2:19:03.240 --> 2:19:07.039 like the owner Bodega. We gotta relax. He's a big 2:19:08.280 --> 2:19:10.640 I'm sorry. Yeah, Well, I mean, this is when he 2:19:10.760 --> 2:19:12.880 was at Warner Brothers and um, you know, he was 2:19:13.000 --> 2:19:18.240 responsible for The Holy and on the soundtrack. And it 2:19:18.400 --> 2:19:21.640 was so funny because it was like, you know, uh, 2:19:21.720 --> 2:19:23.360 he told me about the song, and I had a 2:19:23.440 --> 2:19:26.560 copy of the film and I did watch the film, 2:19:27.280 --> 2:19:30.800 but didn't write the song because I was going through 2:19:30.920 --> 2:19:34.000 some other you know, some some other you know, you know, 2:19:34.120 --> 2:19:37.320 contract exputes, you know, um with Coach Chilling and and 2:19:37.760 --> 2:19:40.320 so I just was like, you know, you know, after song, 2:19:40.440 --> 2:19:42.960 I ain't. But then Bennie he was like asked me. 2:19:43.200 --> 2:19:44.960 I'm like, yeah, I'm on it. I'm on I'm on it. 2:19:45.240 --> 2:19:47.320 Then one day Bennie hit me and was like, Yo, 2:19:47.600 --> 2:19:50.800 how are we coming with the song? And I'm like yeah, 2:19:50.800 --> 2:19:53.200 we were good, and he said, you know, can we 2:19:53.280 --> 2:19:59.080 do it today? UM like, um, well I try And 2:19:59.200 --> 2:20:01.560 he said, okay, we'll it. I'm in New York, you 2:20:01.640 --> 2:20:03.120 can you can I send a car to pick you 2:20:03.200 --> 2:20:07.040 up and bring you the Molley House and oh you know, 2:20:07.520 --> 2:20:09.520 so I was like, oh, yeah, maybe it happen. Yeah, 2:20:09.520 --> 2:20:12.120 you go, Like I said, I saw the movie, but 2:20:12.200 --> 2:20:15.480 I didn't write this song. So in the time that 2:20:16.080 --> 2:20:18.320 he made the call for the car and for the 2:20:18.360 --> 2:20:21.000 Mega to my crib and Queens and for me to 2:20:21.040 --> 2:20:24.080 get the Queens up to Spring Valley. That's the time 2:20:24.160 --> 2:20:30.720 I used to actually right lean on me. Yeah, don't you. 2:20:33.040 --> 2:20:37.320 Actually another soundtrack that for me is instrumental is the 2:20:37.480 --> 2:20:40.600 Juice soundtrack that you're not for respective And that's another 2:20:40.680 --> 2:20:50.040 funny story because I mean Hank Shockley was yeah, bumps, Yeah, 2:20:50.040 --> 2:20:53.040 Ain't Shockley wanted me to do this song. But it 2:20:53.200 --> 2:20:55.840 was like, at that point in time, I think I 2:20:56.080 --> 2:20:58.800 was really focusing on my film career, trying to get 2:20:58.879 --> 2:21:03.000 that jump started. So my mind was really there, you know, 2:21:03.959 --> 2:21:07.960 and he was driving me crazy about the song, and 2:21:08.080 --> 2:21:12.240 he was like, Yo, can you do it when you 2:21:12.360 --> 2:21:16.680 get back to New York. When I say that, I 2:21:16.760 --> 2:21:18.760 mean like he meant that day I got back to YO, 2:21:20.080 --> 2:21:22.880 and I mean, you know, I arrived in New York 2:21:25.760 --> 2:21:29.560 Leading airport, come to my crib. Hank Shocking parked in 2:21:29.640 --> 2:21:34.320 my drive way, sleep sleep waiting for me. How demand, 2:21:35.360 --> 2:21:37.240 So you know, we kind of come to the studio 2:21:37.400 --> 2:21:40.959 that night and you know, right, the joint put together, 2:21:42.000 --> 2:21:45.119 but you know we made that happen incredible to be honest, 2:21:45.600 --> 2:21:48.200 As I'm drinking his word wine, I immediately want to 2:21:48.240 --> 2:21:53.480 eat Pussy. I know you're a different makes me want 2:21:54.520 --> 2:22:01.120 like I've never had alcohol. JAS say that red one 2:22:01.879 --> 2:22:07.080 brings the best I knew. It made me want to 2:22:07.120 --> 2:22:13.400 listen to oldest Redden. But if Pussy's your choice, definitely, 2:22:13.680 --> 2:22:15.960 it's just like it's got weird for me. Did you 2:22:16.040 --> 2:22:17.920 finish my drink? I want to know what it makes 2:22:17.959 --> 2:22:26.720 you feel like? No, not listen, No, no, no, I've 2:22:26.800 --> 2:22:30.240 done that. I mean, yeah, yeah, but so so the 2:22:30.360 --> 2:22:33.680 red wine. Now, what's this? This is a this this 2:22:33.840 --> 2:22:38.000 Orange Shift Orange Swift machete. It's it's a cab blend. 2:22:38.520 --> 2:22:42.279 It's there. I like the way. I'm not a hundred 2:22:42.280 --> 2:22:45.280 per cent sure. I think it's from correct. I believe 2:22:45.320 --> 2:22:50.440 it's cab and Um Sara. I think it's cabin Sara Blake. 2:22:51.360 --> 2:22:54.560 I don't know. I believe it's a cab Kevin and Sara. 2:22:56.160 --> 2:23:00.240 But you know, uh, Rang Swift. They make some great wines. 2:23:00.280 --> 2:23:06.840 They have the machete, they have the abstract Palermo Italy. Okay, 2:23:06.920 --> 2:23:11.600 well that's that's that's the only cabinet that Orange Swift made. 2:23:12.320 --> 2:23:15.360 All the rest of the cat blends. They make some 2:23:15.480 --> 2:23:19.240 great wines and if you go to um their their 2:23:19.320 --> 2:23:25.200 spot in Napa, it's like stuff. You know, it's like 2:23:25.280 --> 2:23:28.199 you when you and it's not like the other spot. 2:23:28.240 --> 2:23:31.280 They it's like the club. They got music blasting and 2:23:31.560 --> 2:23:34.039 you know, chicks in their drunk the ship not coppers 2:23:35.560 --> 2:23:42.080 in Nappa alright, but it's not. Yeah, it's with you know, 2:23:42.560 --> 2:23:45.600 because their things on the strip, Okay, right on the 2:23:45.680 --> 2:23:49.800 strip and yeah yeah, I mean Orange Swift has has 2:23:49.840 --> 2:23:52.640 a great selection. I've never seen this. This is machete 2:23:52.920 --> 2:23:55.760 and they have the bottom. Yeah, but I mean it's 2:23:55.920 --> 2:23:57.880 they have a bump. It's all the same one. But 2:23:58.000 --> 2:24:01.240 they use different photos. There's a lot of different photos 2:24:01.280 --> 2:24:04.560 of different different positions. Let's make noise for king. Get 2:24:04.600 --> 2:24:14.199 the classes were there ordered nineteen forty two to kill correct, 2:24:16.280 --> 2:24:18.720 but we have never haked somebody or the red wine. 2:24:18.920 --> 2:24:22.200 And that's that's very classy that you can't. I mean, 2:24:22.240 --> 2:24:25.520 I'm just made. How did you become a classy Brooklyn nigger? 2:24:28.600 --> 2:24:33.800 I was born and I mean no, let me, I'm 2:24:33.800 --> 2:24:39.000 gonna tell you real study. I mean growing up, you know, 2:24:39.160 --> 2:24:44.440 I mean watching my pops and keeping my my pops 2:24:44.600 --> 2:24:48.920 is from a small town called Bowman, in South Carolina. 2:24:49.760 --> 2:24:52.680 But I mean, you know, you know from his younger 2:24:53.040 --> 2:24:55.800 you know age he grew up in New York, and 2:24:56.200 --> 2:24:59.039 I mean it's like, yo, when I was a kid 2:24:59.120 --> 2:25:04.000 in the seventies, I see this dude like line his 2:25:04.160 --> 2:25:09.000 shoes up snakeskin gate or line him up like he 2:25:09.080 --> 2:25:12.560 might line about six pairs of shoes and then put 2:25:12.680 --> 2:25:15.640 on a suit and then just go stand in front 2:25:15.680 --> 2:25:18.960 of each pair suit. It's moving down, just just dancing 2:25:18.959 --> 2:25:21.480 his way down in front of each pier to see 2:25:21.520 --> 2:25:24.920 which which pier mattered the suit. Like this type of 2:25:24.959 --> 2:25:27.440 ship I just see him do as a child, you 2:25:27.480 --> 2:25:30.080 know what I'm saying. I mean, I mean I've seen 2:25:30.280 --> 2:25:33.280 my pops go out in a two piece suit to 2:25:34.160 --> 2:25:37.879 drive off and had a flat tire and he had 2:25:37.920 --> 2:25:39.600 to change the tire and he changed it in the 2:25:39.680 --> 2:25:42.600 suit and got grease on the suit, and you know 2:25:42.920 --> 2:25:49.840 he stood then stared at the tire like a came upstairs, 2:25:50.320 --> 2:25:53.440 took a shower, and threw on a three piece suit 2:25:53.840 --> 2:25:58.400 like just to shoulder to tire like motherfucker. I you 2:25:58.480 --> 2:26:01.480 know I got more pieces. What I'm saying, I can 2:26:01.520 --> 2:26:05.840 put more ship on this. You ain't stop nothing, you know, yeah, 2:26:06.000 --> 2:26:08.039 and when I'm sing went back out south the three 2:26:08.120 --> 2:26:11.320 piece and stood in front of that same tire and 2:26:11.520 --> 2:26:13.879 stared out of the kid for about another two minutes 2:26:14.360 --> 2:26:15.960 and then got in the car and jove like. So 2:26:16.280 --> 2:26:19.160 it's like this type of stuff. It's like when I 2:26:19.240 --> 2:26:23.000 got in the hip hop um, you know, like I said, 2:26:23.160 --> 2:26:26.040 the Battle rapping, But once I heard Kas, I was like, oh, 2:26:26.160 --> 2:26:28.640 let dude, Grammars and cast amazing. So lyrically I wanted 2:26:28.640 --> 2:26:31.440 to be Cash, but image wise, I wanted to be 2:26:31.520 --> 2:26:33.400 my pops because I was just I just thought he 2:26:33.520 --> 2:26:36.880 was just that that dude. You know. So who's your 2:26:36.959 --> 2:26:41.320 favorite rapper from that era? If you if you could 2:26:41.360 --> 2:26:43.560 say there was one Cash? I mean when you mean 2:26:43.640 --> 2:26:47.320 from me growing up as a kid? Yea Cash? Yeah. 2:26:47.320 --> 2:26:49.120 I knew he was gonna say that. So who's your 2:26:49.160 --> 2:26:55.440 favorite rapper from from from the Middle era? Uh? You 2:26:55.480 --> 2:27:00.560 mean like Eli, No, No after after you guys like 2:27:00.640 --> 2:27:07.080 the Naso the Night, the Nights. Oh man, It's like 2:27:09.879 --> 2:27:13.400 I would I'd have to say it this way. I 2:27:13.560 --> 2:27:20.760 have to say that lyrically. Lyrically, my favorite was nas 2:27:22.520 --> 2:27:30.040 but my favorite MC was Biggie. It's like I like 2:27:30.680 --> 2:27:35.080 big Um because I just thought it was big. Thing 2:27:35.200 --> 2:27:38.440 was amazing, But lyrically I would have to go with 2:27:38.560 --> 2:27:46.920 Nash because you understand, it's like in my era. You know, 2:27:47.080 --> 2:27:52.320 I'm I come from where you know they put no no, 2:27:52.480 --> 2:27:57.520 no no no, like you know where you're coming to 2:27:57.640 --> 2:28:02.200 club and you fucking everything before well both for y'all, 2:28:02.560 --> 2:28:12.760 y'all sucking everything before include Hills because of cocaine before 2:28:12.760 --> 2:28:15.880 any include you because you because you caramels, so you 2:28:15.920 --> 2:28:21.119 can choose your side. You decide you life skin. You're 2:28:21.120 --> 2:28:26.760 not going caramel my life camel. It's like you to 2:28:26.840 --> 2:28:30.480 choose the side. You know it night skills popping the 2:28:30.600 --> 2:28:38.879 night dog skins popping them. You know, I'll come from 2:28:39.000 --> 2:28:41.840 ever where you know. You know y'all y'all getting actually 2:28:41.879 --> 2:28:45.360 just because y'all light skin. And it was like you 2:28:45.440 --> 2:28:48.800 know where your Westley's life stop that ship again when 2:28:49.120 --> 2:28:50.840 it was like me, but you see it was it 2:28:50.959 --> 2:28:53.080 was something like again like how he was talking about 2:28:53.120 --> 2:28:55.360 the flat top. It's something I had to talk about, 2:28:55.400 --> 2:28:58.560 something had to brand. I had to brand being dog skin. 2:28:59.800 --> 2:29:02.560 You what I'm saying, browner than Bobby, So want you 2:29:02.560 --> 2:29:04.720 to be my tender vhone. I only keep on, you know, 2:29:04.840 --> 2:29:08.120 saying dark skin and ship to make dark skins sex. 2:29:08.360 --> 2:29:11.440 Was that I go to work librics right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:29:11.680 --> 2:29:14.240 I get the job done. I had to keep you know, 2:29:14.680 --> 2:29:17.640 saying dark skin ship you know what that was when 2:29:17.720 --> 2:29:21.560 Niggas was like Kane is gone but he was. She 2:29:21.720 --> 2:29:25.640 was in there with just yeah, yeah, I'm not man like, 2:29:27.200 --> 2:29:32.040 I'm a young think. I'm like, no, that that's for you. 2:29:32.200 --> 2:29:34.440 You were making a lot of money back there at 2:29:34.520 --> 2:29:39.440 that point. You got the job done. Absolutely, I mean 2:29:39.480 --> 2:29:43.520 absolutely absolutely, it was. It was fun like because do 2:29:43.640 --> 2:29:46.000 you think because I feel like you was like the 2:29:46.080 --> 2:29:50.840 first person to have like commercial success where people no 2:29:51.440 --> 2:29:56.960 no for you though llo and who didn'y Okay, okay, 2:29:57.240 --> 2:30:00.400 I understand that, but both of those Okay, l L 2:30:00.720 --> 2:30:04.920 was like skinned for people purposes and then Hudini was 2:30:04.959 --> 2:30:07.560 a group. So you was like the first dark skin 2:30:08.640 --> 2:30:14.360 Brooklyn guy. Yeah, okay, look at that. Yeah, that looked 2:30:14.400 --> 2:30:18.360 at like the king of hip hop and it's just like, yeah, 2:30:18.640 --> 2:30:21.320 I mean not to see that. She, like I said, 2:30:21.480 --> 2:30:24.520 that was something that I had to create, the whole 2:30:24.560 --> 2:30:30.040 dog skin thing. So now going back to Biggie, he 2:30:30.200 --> 2:30:32.080 took it to the next level. And see that's what 2:30:32.240 --> 2:30:34.520 this thing is all. You know what I'm saying, It's 2:30:34.560 --> 2:30:37.320 all about you know what I'm saying. What you know? No, no, no, 2:30:37.560 --> 2:30:39.560 it's like you know, like you know, okay, you learn 2:30:39.640 --> 2:30:41.440 this from here, okay, and then you take it to 2:30:41.480 --> 2:30:44.720 the next level. You learn from your predecessors and you 2:30:44.760 --> 2:30:46.840 take it to the next level because like you know, 2:30:46.920 --> 2:30:49.199 I mean, yeah, I made this dark skinned thing sexy. 2:30:49.959 --> 2:30:58.120 But my man Big said, however, yeah blacks, Ever, however 2:30:58.920 --> 2:31:01.280 I stay because it was like, yo, I lotch You know, 2:31:01.560 --> 2:31:06.000 I was in Birmingham, Alabama at a club and seeing 2:31:06.160 --> 2:31:12.520 this crispy, fat black dude at the bar, chilling with 2:31:12.680 --> 2:31:19.360 a cougie sweater on fasach shaped shades and to even 2:31:20.080 --> 2:31:23.160 just put the stamp on, the food stamp on he 2:31:23.480 --> 2:31:29.200 at the board doing the Biggie bop. You know, I'm 2:31:29.280 --> 2:31:32.160 just and chicks is digging him. So it was like, 2:31:33.000 --> 2:31:41.000 be made fat dude sex symbols the fat dude the same. Yeah, 2:31:41.440 --> 2:31:45.200 but Big perfective. First you took it to the next level. 2:31:46.520 --> 2:31:49.440 And yeah and pun that's another dude that was But 2:31:49.520 --> 2:31:51.160 you know, all that time you talk, that's my first 2:31:51.200 --> 2:31:56.000 time meeting him. You know. I was talking to Chris 2:31:56.080 --> 2:32:01.960 about that because no rivers my sons. I was telling 2:32:02.080 --> 2:32:07.720 him like, um that uh. When I when I met him, 2:32:08.080 --> 2:32:10.240 like he was just being funny. He was like, oh 2:32:10.320 --> 2:32:12.440 ship man, yo, big daddy, can't you bring the kids? 2:32:14.840 --> 2:32:16.560 That ship had me crying and left because it was 2:32:16.640 --> 2:32:20.600 like and honest, it was it was video John Blade 2:32:20.680 --> 2:32:24.240 video because it was like I've always been a pun fact. 2:32:24.320 --> 2:32:30.760 When I first heard him, I was like, finally, finally, 2:32:31.720 --> 2:32:36.160 somebody give him my man g wrap his props, you know, 2:32:36.200 --> 2:32:38.200 because I could I could hear the g rapp and 2:32:41.080 --> 2:32:44.800 then to see his videos and see that, like, yo, 2:32:45.680 --> 2:32:48.880 I don't want my ship just not like it was 2:32:49.160 --> 2:32:52.080 entertained and it was fun. I'm like, oh, he's gone, 2:32:52.560 --> 2:32:56.440 he's gone punk. When I saw like when I saw videos, 2:32:56.480 --> 2:32:58.560 I'm like, oh he's gone. Forget him. I'm like, yeah, 2:32:58.560 --> 2:33:00.520 he's he's he's mad. It goes back to the humor 2:33:00.640 --> 2:33:06.480 thing you were saying. But he was, yeah, Beach, You're 2:33:06.520 --> 2:33:08.800 the first thing I ever met you. When I walked 2:33:08.920 --> 2:33:14.280 up and I'm I'm such a super fan and I 2:33:14.360 --> 2:33:17.880 woke up to King and Kane says to me, you know, 2:33:17.959 --> 2:33:24.240 I didn't like you, sir, thinking said to me, I'll 2:33:24.280 --> 2:33:27.680 never get it, said You'll didn't like you until in Rum, 2:33:28.000 --> 2:33:31.040 but I didn't wait for the until so I was like, damn, 2:33:33.200 --> 2:33:42.000 this is my from okay, and then you said, you 2:33:42.120 --> 2:33:44.920 know the album because mind you world Board came out 2:33:45.320 --> 2:33:47.520 and he said, I didn't understand you in the world report. 2:33:48.000 --> 2:33:50.800 But then and then and then n R E album 2:33:50.879 --> 2:33:52.840 came out and he was like, then I went back 2:33:52.879 --> 2:33:56.080 and I revisited everything, and now I understand who you are. 2:33:56.920 --> 2:33:58.920 But then you know what my reaction was because I 2:33:59.080 --> 2:34:01.520 was just like, so offend because you're like, mom, you're 2:34:01.600 --> 2:34:04.400 like my favorite rapper. So I'm like, and t J 2:34:04.560 --> 2:34:06.440 Swan is the man and the Juice School. You don't 2:34:06.440 --> 2:34:14.120 remember telling you that, you know? He was like this 2:34:14.280 --> 2:34:18.200 think is good exact word. He was like, he's good, 2:34:18.680 --> 2:34:21.959 he's good. You know you remember t J Swan? Oh ya, 2:34:22.240 --> 2:34:24.680 what happened to t J Swan? No, no, no, we're not. 2:34:24.840 --> 2:34:31.400 We're not leaving this conversation. I can. First of all, 2:34:32.120 --> 2:34:36.400 let me pay something to m. It's amazing that you 2:34:36.440 --> 2:34:43.440 remember that, but I'm not gonna understand what I'm saying. 2:34:43.760 --> 2:34:45.520 I knew you, you know, because it's like this, yere, 2:34:45.560 --> 2:34:48.680 you understand. It's like with me because of the wh 2:34:48.800 --> 2:34:54.360 my ears a trained, I'm always listening like lyrically first, 2:34:55.600 --> 2:35:00.160 and it's like when when when I'm I'm sitting there, 2:35:00.200 --> 2:35:04.640 I'm like, Yo, this dude got some ship with him. 2:35:05.240 --> 2:35:07.680 And then I'm watching the way people respond to you, 2:35:07.800 --> 2:35:10.680 and I'm like and it's like and I'm I'm like, yo, 2:35:12.240 --> 2:35:15.440 this is dope. This is dope, because you see, you 2:35:15.520 --> 2:35:19.680 gotta understand. It's like the element that you created was 2:35:19.800 --> 2:35:25.720 something that was so fucking needed. A special education resource froom, nondert, No, 2:35:26.000 --> 2:35:28.840 we understand me. We have special education special but we 2:35:29.000 --> 2:35:32.280 have resource frooms. Understand me. What you did was something 2:35:32.360 --> 2:35:35.400 that was so fucking needed because it's like this here, 2:35:35.840 --> 2:35:40.880 how tough can you be? How tough can you be? 2:35:42.360 --> 2:35:46.000 At some point? If you that goddamn tough, then you 2:35:46.120 --> 2:35:51.280 shouldn't be listening to music. Music is relaxing, Music is fun, 2:35:52.920 --> 2:35:56.600 and you made it with the most thugged out tough 2:35:56.800 --> 2:36:07.600 nigga could enjoy yourself. And look, that's the reason why 2:36:07.800 --> 2:36:10.680 when I did my history right, one of my favorite 2:36:10.800 --> 2:36:15.680 artists was bis Monkey, not lyrics wise, not music content, 2:36:15.840 --> 2:36:22.480 but as far as having fun like this said, what 2:36:22.560 --> 2:36:25.640 are he said, He'll he'll stick a nose up his nose. 2:36:26.200 --> 2:36:28.880 Let's stick us fingure up his nose and put it 2:36:28.959 --> 2:36:34.879 on the basketball and the kid like that you wrote 2:36:34.920 --> 2:36:42.640 that letter. That's when that's when you know, I ain't 2:36:42.640 --> 2:36:44.320 know where I'm gonna deal with that. So when I'm 2:36:44.400 --> 2:36:49.720 righting him, I'll make sure I mentioned my asses everybody know. 2:36:50.000 --> 2:36:53.360 But that's the craziest thing was I had realten did 2:36:53.440 --> 2:36:56.560 my research, and I was like, I said, you know what, 2:36:56.840 --> 2:37:01.560 nobody has fun like bis Mark anymore like in this, 2:37:01.920 --> 2:37:04.120 in this, in this, in this day and time, and 2:37:04.200 --> 2:37:06.720 nobody don't have fun like I'm probably the only MC 2:37:07.480 --> 2:37:11.760 that inventeds what Bismarck represented like he just had fun 2:37:13.879 --> 2:37:16.240 and anybody laughed at him and they tried to make 2:37:16.280 --> 2:37:18.480 fun of him. And I don't give a funk if 2:37:18.520 --> 2:37:20.000 you laugh at me and try to make fun of me. 2:37:20.200 --> 2:37:22.880 I'm representing the hip hop And then but you you 2:37:23.120 --> 2:37:26.640 you you you you you you really bridge the gap 2:37:27.160 --> 2:37:30.360 and you you did something special. Thank you, I mean, 2:37:30.400 --> 2:37:34.480 because it's it's it's it's like, yo, you're having fun, 2:37:34.800 --> 2:37:37.760 You're got a dance track, you're sitting there. What what what? What? What? 2:37:37.959 --> 2:37:42.320 What the chicken? What? What? What? What? But but you 2:37:42.600 --> 2:37:45.440 and you're spitting gangster stuff. But it's it's in a 2:37:45.600 --> 2:37:51.959 party type flow. Goddamn like you you you you were 2:37:52.040 --> 2:37:55.200 gating a whole new lane. You're making the toughest making 2:37:56.000 --> 2:38:01.200 whatever you're taking it right now, change the subject before 2:38:01.240 --> 2:38:05.440 everybody stop capting. Wonder what I'm doing? Ok right there, God, 2:38:05.879 --> 2:38:08.640 it's okay. Have you ever looked at rap and you 2:38:08.959 --> 2:38:12.680 you was disappointed at one point? Like like, I mean, 2:38:13.160 --> 2:38:16.760 maybe it's the error right now or where because at 2:38:16.800 --> 2:38:18.320 the end of the day came. We can't take it 2:38:18.360 --> 2:38:21.440 away from the fact that you're you're you're, if not 2:38:21.760 --> 2:38:25.800 the king, you're one of the kings. So there's a 2:38:25.840 --> 2:38:28.560 lot of people who can't have opinions or nowadays hip 2:38:28.640 --> 2:38:32.400 hop or middle hip hop or or later hip hop, 2:38:33.040 --> 2:38:36.680 but you're, fortunately it's one of them people that can 2:38:36.720 --> 2:38:40.640 have an opinion on any version of hip hop. Have 2:38:40.840 --> 2:38:43.720 you ever looked at hip hop? Was just like damn 2:38:44.320 --> 2:38:50.560 was ashamed at one point? Yeah? What what point was that? Um? 2:38:53.560 --> 2:38:59.720 Right now? Right about what I mean, It's like, let 2:38:59.760 --> 2:39:04.280 me just say this, I think that there are so 2:39:04.560 --> 2:39:15.640 many talented artists out there right now, um J Cole, Logic, Logic, Kendrickson, 2:39:17.640 --> 2:39:23.920 Um Rhapsody, Rhapsity Car. There's so many um um m, mom. 2:39:25.480 --> 2:39:30.640 Really know she's not news. I mean, you know, she's 2:39:30.680 --> 2:39:33.880 still shining. But I mean, as far as the new generation, 2:39:34.040 --> 2:39:36.440 there's so many out there's there's there's a lot out here. 2:39:38.640 --> 2:39:44.400 What's this calm calm, John Connor, No West what's a 2:39:44.440 --> 2:39:51.400 little Joey badass west Side Gun? But you see, here's 2:39:51.480 --> 2:39:55.640 my thing. There's a lot of other artists that's out 2:39:55.760 --> 2:40:01.800 here that's shining. And I mean, and I wish them 2:40:01.920 --> 2:40:09.240 continue to success. Right. I don't wanna hear that um 2:40:10.920 --> 2:40:16.320 little Yati or little what's it a little? I don't 2:40:16.320 --> 2:40:20.640 want to hear they broke and you know they fucked up. 2:40:21.720 --> 2:40:25.080 I want to, you know, know that they're safe and 2:40:25.200 --> 2:40:28.840 they still making money. I mean, I ain't gonna lie 2:40:28.879 --> 2:40:31.600 to you. There was a time, you know, the late nineties, 2:40:32.040 --> 2:40:35.520 you know, thanks to motherfucker's like you, that ship got 2:40:35.560 --> 2:40:38.240 sucked up for me, you know what. I'm sadcuse was shining. 2:40:39.080 --> 2:40:42.160 So you fell out some hard times, yeah, but you 2:40:42.240 --> 2:40:45.680 know it came back around and everything is good. And 2:40:45.920 --> 2:40:49.320 you know, if that came knowledge of you know, you 2:40:49.400 --> 2:40:52.120 don't know where you want to put your money and 2:40:52.560 --> 2:40:56.080 the right thing, you know what I'm saying. So it's 2:40:56.200 --> 2:40:58.640 like with the young casts today. I want to know 2:40:58.760 --> 2:41:01.080 that they're going to shine and that, you know, even 2:41:01.120 --> 2:41:04.320 if they career don't last as long as you know, 2:41:04.560 --> 2:41:08.760 as mine or as yours or whoever, that they can 2:41:08.840 --> 2:41:12.359 still be, you know, make money and do something lucrative. 2:41:12.959 --> 2:41:14.960 You know, I don't want to hear the stories about 2:41:15.040 --> 2:41:18.120 them going bro or where they now he's you know, 2:41:18.200 --> 2:41:20.080 I don't want to hear it. I want to see 2:41:20.120 --> 2:41:23.720 them shine. So I wish there was that bridge where 2:41:23.760 --> 2:41:26.800 we could connect with them, you know, because I don't 2:41:26.800 --> 2:41:32.840 want your spot light. Look, I love going into a 2:41:32.920 --> 2:41:37.320 supermarket and someone big day. He came right, well, I 2:41:37.400 --> 2:41:39.760 drew up off your music man, you said, hey, good 2:41:39.760 --> 2:41:42.200 to me. I love that ship. I wouldn't want you 2:41:42.320 --> 2:41:47.720 in the supermarket screen trying to now I can't get 2:41:47.800 --> 2:41:52.280 the shot I need to. I gotta leave now. I 2:41:52.440 --> 2:41:54.640 like the piece of similarity that I have. I enjoy it. 2:41:55.760 --> 2:41:58.600 So my life is good. I don't want your spot 2:41:59.200 --> 2:42:01.800 I don't want to make that return to the top. 2:42:02.520 --> 2:42:04.840 I mean, I'd love to make it, you know, another album. 2:42:04.959 --> 2:42:07.800 You know that's something that they were. The people would appreciate, 2:42:07.959 --> 2:42:09.600 you know, I mean, that would be cool. But I 2:42:09.680 --> 2:42:13.640 don't need to be who I was in I did 2:42:13.720 --> 2:42:16.680 that and it was fun. I was ain't coming home 2:42:16.720 --> 2:42:22.680 to my family now beautiful, that's what I like. But 2:42:23.879 --> 2:42:27.040 what I did back then was amazing, and I'd love 2:42:27.120 --> 2:42:29.120 to tell you how I did it, give you the 2:42:29.160 --> 2:42:31.720 blueprint so you can do it and walk that walk. 2:42:32.360 --> 2:42:36.480 M I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. This is 2:42:36.560 --> 2:42:40.039 my message to the younger generation. Regardless of what any 2:42:40.080 --> 2:42:42.600 mighty tell me. I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. 2:42:42.920 --> 2:42:44.920 I sit and chop it up with you. I'll tell 2:42:44.959 --> 2:42:48.480 you what's really good, how to be what you need 2:42:48.560 --> 2:42:51.040 to be, how to separate yourself from the bullshit and 2:42:51.240 --> 2:42:54.920 establish yourself as a start. You know what I'm saying. 2:42:55.480 --> 2:42:59.280 And you don't have to put me on nothing. You 2:42:59.280 --> 2:43:01.160 don't have to put me on one single track. You 2:43:01.160 --> 2:43:04.320 don't owe me nothing. I don't want nothing from you. 2:43:04.879 --> 2:43:11.440 Was that I was value, wasn't Jake? Yeah? Yeah? He 2:43:11.879 --> 2:43:17.960 always old, dirty bastard, positive k shy him and everybody else. 2:43:18.080 --> 2:43:24.840 I fun wouldn't throughout my career. Real nigga king with 2:43:25.040 --> 2:43:31.840 King stands for again. Oh King, Nobody, nobody King agiatic, 2:43:32.360 --> 2:43:43.720 nobody tell you something better? Uh? Things you did? I 2:43:43.760 --> 2:43:52.160 remember running around? Uh uh. I was born in seventy seven, 2:43:52.640 --> 2:43:54.200 but I used to run with a dude name hit 2:43:54.280 --> 2:43:59.600 Hard Talk hare Tad had eight nine. We had a 2:44:00.000 --> 2:44:04.720 at Jetta with the white convertible top and the white 2:44:04.840 --> 2:44:10.320 cream seats in there, and motherfucking the vanilla pine trees. 2:44:10.520 --> 2:44:17.080 You know, the ship, the air freshen Us, And that's 2:44:17.160 --> 2:44:20.480 all we would do. They just run around from a 2:44:20.640 --> 2:44:24.240 d eight eight ninety. Let's just run around. Listen to 2:44:24.320 --> 2:44:26.959 your music. And the fact that I could come here 2:44:27.600 --> 2:44:31.920 with you tonight and honor you and salute you and 2:44:32.040 --> 2:44:35.720 tell you face to face, man and man that you're 2:44:35.760 --> 2:44:43.040 the man, your guy that helped raise probably ninety five 2:44:43.560 --> 2:44:45.360 of people in this building because they got people like 2:44:45.440 --> 2:44:47.840 Twin and they you see that stermoid twin. Look at 2:44:47.879 --> 2:44:52.800 the difference, can see that stermoid twin. That's another twin 2:44:53.200 --> 2:44:57.720 And you helped raise us. And there's nothing more that 2:44:57.840 --> 2:45:00.440 we want to do is to continue to port you. 2:45:01.080 --> 2:45:04.200 And when you're going toll you hit me and here 2:45:04.320 --> 2:45:06.800 fin up, let us talk about it, let us blow 2:45:06.879 --> 2:45:11.840 it up, because there's there's there's a lack in our society. 2:45:11.920 --> 2:45:14.680 And when I say society, I mean hip hop, meaning 2:45:15.000 --> 2:45:18.640 that when a person gets of age, they want to 2:45:18.640 --> 2:45:21.680 treat them like milk and have an expiration day. And 2:45:21.800 --> 2:45:25.119 I gotta be the opposite of that. I gotta use 2:45:25.240 --> 2:45:31.879 my power like Eminem use his power recently to refute racists, 2:45:32.879 --> 2:45:36.640 and he used his white privilege to fight racism. I 2:45:36.720 --> 2:45:41.279 gotta use my quote unquote privileges to still be relevant 2:45:41.320 --> 2:45:45.120 to show people why I'm relevant, because there's people before me, 2:45:45.959 --> 2:45:48.320 and there's people who pave the way that I respect, 2:45:49.200 --> 2:45:51.840 and then I'm that will always be about me. To me, 2:45:53.120 --> 2:45:54.840 I don't give a funk what I do. I could 2:45:54.879 --> 2:45:56.920 never be Big Dad he can. I don't give a 2:45:56.959 --> 2:45:58.840 funk what I do. I could never be slicked right. 2:45:58.920 --> 2:46:00.280 I don't give a funk what I do. Can never 2:46:00.360 --> 2:46:02.160 be Rock Him, I could never be Ep m D. 2:46:02.640 --> 2:46:07.080 You guys are what help pave the way for me. 2:46:07.879 --> 2:46:11.080 So as long as I got this platform, you motherfucker's 2:46:11.080 --> 2:46:16.040 will always be above me in that saturation because we 2:46:16.240 --> 2:46:20.240 love you and we're gonna continue to motherfucking represent all 2:46:20.400 --> 2:46:29.040 legends right here right, I don't I don't give a 2:46:29.160 --> 2:46:31.640 funny about ratings for now. We don't give a fun 2:46:32.000 --> 2:46:34.160 This is what we me and this motherfucker right here 2:46:34.240 --> 2:46:37.440 shout out to do you see his bed is very destructive. 2:46:39.000 --> 2:46:42.320 What the funk he wants to do over him just 2:46:42.440 --> 2:46:46.320 for men? Offer them just for men were trying to 2:46:46.360 --> 2:46:49.240 get just for men ads. He don't give a funk. 2:46:49.360 --> 2:46:51.080 He's just like, I'm just gonna be who I am. 2:46:51.879 --> 2:46:54.680 And that's you know what. I was just in d C. 2:46:55.760 --> 2:47:00.240 Last week for Donnie Simpson, for the fan of sight 2:47:00.879 --> 2:47:06.360 the Betes. Yeah, you gotta go to Eddie LeVert. Ruth 2:47:07.720 --> 2:47:09.600 told me that I need to get get me some 2:47:09.760 --> 2:47:17.640 just from that. You seventy who nine got to be 2:47:17.720 --> 2:47:23.720 like by seven p fool of nobody. He should he 2:47:23.800 --> 2:47:27.040 should slick died and slick to the fry six of 2:47:27.120 --> 2:47:30.360 the side. I mean, I mean listen before you no, no, no, 2:47:30.520 --> 2:47:34.280 it's like that. Keep in mind, I mean who had 2:47:34.560 --> 2:47:38.560 a shop up here line and bed than Gerald LeVert 2:47:39.360 --> 2:47:44.039 had that Beijing. I think Joel LeVert was just Joe. 2:47:44.200 --> 2:47:46.840 Wasn't that old Joe? You know Joe was young when 2:47:46.879 --> 2:47:49.040 he passed. Hey, Joel, wasn't that old. I think that 2:47:49.200 --> 2:47:54.600 was just a bother nothing. Beijian didn't existed, Yeah, ain't 2:47:54.640 --> 2:47:56.840 didn't existence. I feel like, I feel like I can't 2:47:56.840 --> 2:47:59.240 got a Bobby Brown story before you get out of here. 2:47:59.720 --> 2:48:03.600 You of body Brown story. Bobby Brown. I mean, I 2:48:03.720 --> 2:48:07.440 got a whole bunch of Bobby brother. You know, you 2:48:07.480 --> 2:48:12.680 know that we're here for Body Brown. Give us, give 2:48:12.720 --> 2:48:18.080 us the best one. Give us that was. I mean, nah, 2:48:19.600 --> 2:48:29.600 stop doing this, you don't do that. I'll give you 2:48:30.959 --> 2:48:35.360 my most mature Bobby Brown, stuffy I've never heard of. 2:48:37.360 --> 2:48:47.480 You haven't anybody Brown stories. Wendy Wendy Williams party and 2:48:47.840 --> 2:48:51.600 we were performing. This was the year that Trey songs 2:48:51.680 --> 2:48:55.280 that just came out, and me and Bobby was performing 2:48:55.320 --> 2:49:00.320 for Wendy Williams party. And you know, Pridate, we're over 2:49:00.320 --> 2:49:04.400 in the v I p just kicking it and I 2:49:04.560 --> 2:49:08.560 had like a great mint and I had it, you know, 2:49:08.720 --> 2:49:12.480 sitting up on this thing behind me, and some dude 2:49:12.800 --> 2:49:16.000 came and sat up on the thing on my men 2:49:17.800 --> 2:49:21.640 and he just they're just chilling. But I didn't see him. 2:49:21.800 --> 2:49:23.360 You know, I'm you know doing what I do. I 2:49:23.400 --> 2:49:29.519 didn't even see him, Bobby saw him, and Bobby just snaps. 2:49:31.840 --> 2:49:35.280 So I come over there like yo, you know, he like, YO, 2:49:35.480 --> 2:49:39.680 motherfuck up on your music. And dude, it's like, you know, 2:49:40.000 --> 2:49:42.640 I apologize, I'm not. I'm like, you know, no, no, no, 2:49:42.800 --> 2:49:45.040 no worries, no worries, don't want about it. And I 2:49:45.200 --> 2:49:48.440 moved it, push a little further back up in the 2:49:48.600 --> 2:49:52.800 corner and love not like that. And Bobby just like, Yo, 2:49:54.440 --> 2:49:58.720 the funk happened to you? Man, You're cool with that. 2:49:58.879 --> 2:50:05.840 You You're just gonna let that it bron like Bobby Man, 2:50:07.560 --> 2:50:13.039 we've grown man now. Man, you know I don't feel 2:50:13.040 --> 2:50:16.640 like fighting in the club over men coat. You don't 2:50:16.680 --> 2:50:25.240 want to let it up, all right? Neg? Yeah? He 2:50:25.360 --> 2:50:28.400 was like I neg. You know, it's like I don't 2:50:28.440 --> 2:50:30.760 know how if you know, Bobby, if you're right with them, 2:50:31.240 --> 2:50:35.120 Bobby wild boy Man, wild boy, wild boys, give home 2:50:35.200 --> 2:50:39.000 me the beats, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Bobby's raiding 2:50:39.040 --> 2:50:43.080 at his hands over my coat, his coat, my coat, 2:50:43.440 --> 2:50:45.880 Bobby reading his hands go. And it's like that's what 2:50:46.040 --> 2:50:49.840 I like, I always be because it's like we've always 2:50:49.879 --> 2:50:53.840 had so many good times and I am automot normally 2:50:54.240 --> 2:50:56.840 wild ass ridiculous times, but I mean this is just 2:50:56.879 --> 2:51:01.360 one of movies like, yeah, I ain't fighting this motherfucker. 2:51:02.959 --> 2:51:05.600 Let's be cool. Before we get about the hip cane. 2:51:06.040 --> 2:51:08.080 What's the one thing you missed about hip hop that 2:51:08.200 --> 2:51:12.120 you wish hip hop still just had? The one thing 2:51:12.200 --> 2:51:20.440 I missed about hip hop is variety. I really missed that. 2:51:21.640 --> 2:51:26.920 I really miss you know, you know, just people just 2:51:27.640 --> 2:51:31.000 vibing out on so many different things for so many 2:51:31.120 --> 2:51:37.040 different reasons, you know, because I mean you had, you know, 2:51:37.160 --> 2:51:42.880 your audience that was fascinated by drugs and play a 2:51:43.040 --> 2:51:46.520 ship that want to rock their truck. Jury you had 2:51:46.760 --> 2:51:50.520 your audience that was fascinated by conscious stuff that wanted 2:51:50.560 --> 2:51:55.000 to rock another medallion's you know, and can't they close 2:51:55.959 --> 2:51:59.240 and things of that nature. You know. I mean it's 2:51:59.280 --> 2:52:01.920 like you know, you you you know, you had generation 2:52:02.160 --> 2:52:05.720 that you know with the East Coast where I mean, 2:52:05.879 --> 2:52:08.520 you know, it was like, uh, you know how we 2:52:08.680 --> 2:52:12.800 we we looked at easy eating them dudes as we're 2:52:13.000 --> 2:52:18.280 looking dude like we didn't we didn't we didn't understand that. Yeah, 2:52:18.320 --> 2:52:19.840 But you know then when I went to l A 2:52:20.040 --> 2:52:23.320 and I'm at a gas station and a fucking and 2:52:23.400 --> 2:52:27.480 a red feline suit. And I get approached by a 2:52:27.560 --> 2:52:31.320 bunch of crips. They don't, you know, blow my goddamn 2:52:31.400 --> 2:52:34.920 head off because I had a flat top. They didn't 2:52:34.920 --> 2:52:37.840 recognize me as big Dad. He came. One of the 2:52:37.959 --> 2:52:41.720 dudes said, Yo, he must be one of the New 2:52:41.840 --> 2:52:45.920 York you know, East Coast dancing niggas. That's what he said. 2:52:46.520 --> 2:52:48.760 He was one of the East Coast dancing niggers. Because 2:52:48.760 --> 2:52:50.680 I mean they had me. It was nothing I could do. 2:52:51.480 --> 2:52:54.560 I mean it was about ten twelve of them. They 2:52:54.680 --> 2:52:57.840 just swarmed on me out of at a gas station. 2:52:58.040 --> 2:53:00.840 I'm pumping gas. I'm out there and and like I'm 2:53:00.920 --> 2:53:06.200 like and like maybe like a rental bins balling pumping 2:53:06.320 --> 2:53:11.680 gas and read feline sweatsuit and crypt territory. You know, 2:53:12.120 --> 2:53:15.040 they had me. There wasn't nothing I could do. You 2:53:15.080 --> 2:53:17.600 remember we was that we was ball Hills. I don't 2:53:17.640 --> 2:53:20.480 remember exactly. I mean, yeah, I mean wherever I was. Yeah, 2:53:20.520 --> 2:53:23.240 I was like, they had me, you know, if they 2:53:23.280 --> 2:53:25.280 wanted me, I was there for the taking. I mean 2:53:25.600 --> 2:53:30.880 red felie sweatsuit, red felies and yeah, but they pulled them. 2:53:31.320 --> 2:53:32.800 They saw the flat top, and it was just like 2:53:33.360 --> 2:53:35.600 and they heard I guess I heard my slang like 2:53:36.760 --> 2:53:39.040 maybe you know, no, man, you know we're go ahead 2:53:39.080 --> 2:53:41.840 on me. He probably won them East Coach Dancing niggas, 2:53:45.720 --> 2:53:47.960 you know. But I mean it's like that's that's what 2:53:48.200 --> 2:53:50.560 That's what made it dope, because you know it's like 2:53:50.840 --> 2:53:56.400 you know, um, easy king te you know iced tea. Yeah, 2:53:56.600 --> 2:53:59.840 they all had you know, this story and hip hop. 2:54:00.280 --> 2:54:02.760 You know that was different than hours, man. I mean 2:54:02.840 --> 2:54:07.200 it was like that variety, that variety, ain't there no more? Man, everybody, 2:54:07.360 --> 2:54:10.600 It's like you turned the ready on. It sounds like 2:54:10.680 --> 2:54:17.040 a twenty four hour song a marathon, not a marathon. 2:54:17.400 --> 2:54:19.200 It sounds like a twenty four hour song, like the 2:54:19.320 --> 2:54:24.400 same song last for twenty four hours at once. All. So, 2:54:24.520 --> 2:54:27.800 do you think that is the best best I'm drunk 2:54:27.879 --> 2:54:30.920 now the best era hip hop? Do you think is? Like? 2:54:31.120 --> 2:54:34.400 What is the best era hip hop? In your opinion? No? No, okay, 2:54:34.520 --> 2:54:38.879 Like well he asked me earlier. I chose that late 2:54:39.000 --> 2:54:42.080 eighties as my favorite era favorite But you know, what 2:54:42.080 --> 2:54:45.520 do you think? I don't know, because you see that's 2:54:46.360 --> 2:54:49.360 it's like I got a lot of respect for the 2:54:49.480 --> 2:54:56.040 mid nineties as well, because Puffy did something amazing in 2:54:56.160 --> 2:55:01.120 the mid nineties. Because in the early nineties hip hop 2:55:01.240 --> 2:55:05.200 started to do this, it started transforming this whole gangster thing. 2:55:05.240 --> 2:55:07.800 When the West Coast started doing the gangster the East 2:55:07.840 --> 2:55:13.000 Coast started following into and everything became so gangster right, 2:55:13.480 --> 2:55:15.440 And it was like, you know, you go to a 2:55:15.560 --> 2:55:18.520 party like I hate it. Like I started flying to 2:55:18.720 --> 2:55:22.520 Chicago going to stepping sets to have a good time 2:55:22.840 --> 2:55:25.680 because I couldn't enjoy myself in was the most dangerous 2:55:25.680 --> 2:55:28.480 place for the planet. No, but I mean I was. 2:55:28.600 --> 2:55:30.920 I'm talking about you know, I mean probably even then too, 2:55:31.080 --> 2:55:34.560 but early nineties, I'll go to you go to a 2:55:34.600 --> 2:55:36.920 stepping set just to have a good time, because I 2:55:37.000 --> 2:55:39.040 go to the party in New York and it's like, 2:55:39.600 --> 2:55:44.200 you know, you look at using the crowd just no, no, 2:55:44.400 --> 2:55:47.480 nobody want to dance. Somebody's from screw phase and bought 2:55:47.560 --> 2:55:49.360 the head. I'm not I ain't come here for that. 2:55:49.959 --> 2:55:53.680 Chicks and chicks dressed like dudes. You know, nobody wanted 2:55:53.680 --> 2:55:55.720 to put no sexy ship on, like you know, like 2:55:57.040 --> 2:55:59.400 fucking your ass with no no, no, no band dan 2:55:59.480 --> 2:56:09.320 on ye, you're not doing a party. Yeah, yeah, it 2:56:09.440 --> 2:56:12.200 did nothing. You know. It's like I didn't get it. 2:56:12.480 --> 2:56:14.480 You know what I'm saying. I didn't get it, but 2:56:14.600 --> 2:56:18.200 did hit this dude Puff. He takes like Biggie in 2:56:18.320 --> 2:56:21.040 the locks and he like, okay, I'll tell you what, 2:56:23.360 --> 2:56:28.520 good ahead, talk your gangster ship, but do it over 2:56:28.600 --> 2:56:33.959 this disco pete for me. So now all the people 2:56:34.000 --> 2:56:36.320 that loved all the thug stuff, you get to hear it. 2:56:37.560 --> 2:56:40.200 People who love the party got something to dance it. 2:56:41.600 --> 2:56:45.160 So he figured out a way to make the two 2:56:45.360 --> 2:56:48.680 mesh where you can be as gangs as you want, 2:56:49.280 --> 2:56:50.640 but the people don't want to have a good time 2:56:50.680 --> 2:56:53.440 at a party can still party. I never thought of 2:56:53.480 --> 2:56:55.920 it like that, you know. So I got a lot 2:56:56.000 --> 2:56:58.840 of respect for what Puff did for hip hop in 2:56:58.920 --> 2:57:02.080 the mid nineties is well, because he created some ship 2:57:02.200 --> 2:57:05.640 with It's like you got gangster rampers spitting their gangster 2:57:05.760 --> 2:57:10.920 ship over disco and club party beats. So it's like, 2:57:11.400 --> 2:57:13.680 you know, even though I may not be in a 2:57:13.760 --> 2:57:15.680 move to stick a nigger up or sell sell a 2:57:15.720 --> 2:57:17.880 bunch of keys or none of this stuff, that's beef 2:57:17.959 --> 2:57:21.880 rocking like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying, so 2:57:22.080 --> 2:57:26.039 I mean that I thought it was great too. Okay, 2:57:26.120 --> 2:57:32.880 let's make some nest. Yeah, man, I can't thank you enough. 2:57:33.480 --> 2:57:36.600 We're coming out hanging out with the drink Champs and 2:57:37.200 --> 2:57:39.240 we're trying to take you to wood Tapping. 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