WEBVTT - Lakers/Pistons Postgame Spaces 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:17.560 M all right, welcome to the State of the Lakers 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.320 post game show on Dash Ready. I thank you guys 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.200 so much for coming to hang out with us on 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.239 a Sunday evening. Uh, and once again, the Lakers have 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.080 given us way too much to talk about. You know. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.960 It's so funny. Someone tweeted at me underneath something I 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.600 tweeted earlier and said, Remember, apparently at the end of 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.240 last podcast, I said something along the lines of like, hey, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.920 come back on Sunday because it'll probably be uneventful and 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.239 we'll have, you know, more time to take callers blah blah, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.080 blah blah, And he was rubbing it in my face 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.680 because this ended up being arguably much more eventful than 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.720 than the Friday night game. But anyway, ROJ, how are 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.200 you doing. Man? How's your Sunday? Did you? Uh? I 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.360 think you and I had a different idea of how 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.960 to end of that game was gonna go, but a 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.319 nice little, nice little positive ending. But I hope you 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.000 had a good Sunday man. Yeah. I did these three 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.240 o'clock games, or at least three o'clock. For me being 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.000 in southern California, it means you can't really do anything 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.959 for your other part of the day. Right, it's like 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.679 right in the middle of the day. You can't plan 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.240 anything before planning after it. Three hours just chunked right 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.280 in the middle. This is a good, good game. Man. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.679 It was really sorrow and we were texting back and 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.320 forth what to discussed. We're like, Frank Vogel, Lebron, James, 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.560 just the nature of the team looking dejected, looking un 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.039 uninterested for majority part of this game. And then that 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.120 fourth quarter absolutely just turned around. I think it was 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.639 like thirty seven fifteen or something like that they closed 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.440 the quarter on where do you want to start with this? 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.480 Because I I think we can start positive at least 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.400 to start here. There's still a lot of problems with 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.960 the teams. There's a lot of issues. Lebron, I guess 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.040 might be ejected here for one game, But where where 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.320 do you want to kind of start with this? So yeah, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.040 so like if I were to like make bullet points 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.760 of the key stories of the game. It was funny 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:02.840 because about their even in spore tip off, we found 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.880 out that DeAndre Jordan was being reinserted into the starting 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.280 lineup and that th h T was being moved to 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.480 the bench, and there were two interesting things about that 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.120 one reverting to them going big. And then also th 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.440 Ht who you know, obviously had a bad game last game, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.120 but he certainly had a better case to be with 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.920 the starters than Avery Bradley did. And so that was 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.560 kind of like the interesting little wrinkle there now that 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.680 seems like so far on the back burner tonight compared 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:34.320 to the Lebron basically mailing in the game and then 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.480 the Lebron ejection situation, which was its whole other interesting thing. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.840 And for the record, those two things I want to 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.800 hit later on because quite frankly, it just it just 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.000 doesn't deserve to be talked about first for a bunch 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.200 of reasons. But then you have this, you know, clear 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.880 and obvious stretch of the game that lasts that like 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.760 basically three quarters where the where the Lakers just are 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:03.400 giving absolute trash effort, operating in this funky zone and 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:09.160 and and just getting absolutely beating everything. Everything got pumped 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.840 in every physical matchup, ever, every everything. But then you 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.680 have them wake up in the fourth quarter, largely driven 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.400 by Russell Westbrook and then Anthony Davis at the end 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.720 of the game, which I think is the perfect place 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.800 to start because what you saw there was Russ and 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.280 a d giving a ship, which is an expression, which 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.600 is an expression I use a lot on the show 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.560 because of the obviously like you can't judge scheme, you 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.840 can't judge personnel, you can't judge lineups if guys aren't trying, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.160 and you couldn't tell me like, oh, this zone isn't 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.240 gonna work when I when the guys are not even 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.040 trying in the zone, you know what I mean, Like, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.680 it's hard to get a read on any of that 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.680 stuff when the guys are mailing it in like that. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.560 And what you saw was two supreme talents, Russell Westbrook 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.200 and Anthony Davis go from coasting through a game aim 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.320 to trying desperately to win, and all of a sudden, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.560 the Detroit Pistons couldn't do anything to stop them. They 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.040 couldn't stop him at the rim. They couldn't stop Anthony 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.000 Davis on the offensive glass they could they literally they 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.640 couldn't get to the rim and finish on Anthony Davis. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.560 It was. It was masterful to see the two of 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.360 them hit the gas, and so I guess that's where 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.000 we could start. It's like, and I don't know if 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.240 it's associated with Frank. I don't know if it's the 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.480 Stars false themselves, but this team just looks better when 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.400 it's best players play hard and when they try to 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.359 when they try to win the game. And that's just 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.320 with two of them, with one of them in the 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.279 locker room. So I mean that that's kind of that 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.479 that to me is the most interesting phenomenon that happened 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.600 here tonight. Yeah, again, we don't have to go deep 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.240 into the ejection or whatever happened with Lebron and Asia Steward, 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.719 but I definitely think that was a turning point in 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.599 the game. Like I totally saw Russ even if earlier 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.839 early in the game it wasn't efficient if he wasn't 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.560 scoring it, I when he saw his energy tick up, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.880 eighties energy tick up. And not to like move this 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.520 into Frank Vogel, but like again, a whole bunch of 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.520 Laker fans and everyone is calling for his job throughout 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.880 the whole night tonight, honestly, and I know you felt 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.640 you felt that way as well. To me, like firing 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:19.080 Frank Vogel is very similar to like the take DeAndre 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.120 Jordan out of the starting lineup, Like it solves some issues, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.800 but it opens up these these other problems on the 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.800 team as well, where I'm just don't want to go 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.480 there there, and look, his job is probably saved tonight. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.080 We'll see going forward. But a D and Russ turned 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.400 into superstars in the fourth quarter of Who They Are. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.839 A D looked like the best defensive player in the world. 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.200 And again, this is Detroit, one of the worst teams 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.039 in the league. And all those caveats are fair. But 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.160 we haven't been a good team either, like you've been saying, right, 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.120 we've been a bad team for a very long time. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.520 Like all wins are important right now. And I thought 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.960 they really turned it up. Russ's aggression to get to 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.120 the rim. He got a charge on what he got 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.479 a charge on one play, but I saw I was 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.120 fine with that, like just him being aggressive, him attacking. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.400 I like th ht in that lineup, even if he 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.000 had some questionable decisions. I just thought another guy that 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.520 can kick out to the A D post stuffs were 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.640 still there, but it was a lot better. They continue 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.760 to double one pass away off us, but he cut. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:14.520 We saw Russ cutting like that was stuff, such a concept, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.120 but like we were that's what we were begging for right, 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.040 Like Russ just cut to the rim and he did 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.960 this night and he got like four layups off of that. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.239 And once they stopped doubling, a D was in single 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.760 coverage with Jeremy Grant able to get to his spot, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.120 get to the basket, a little big gift out. It 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:28.760 was just something that we need to see more, man, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.000 this type of effort. You talked about four we got 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:32.840 punked in the earlier in the game by how many 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.560 Diallo as well, and I think Russell Westbrook felt that 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.120 as well. He's the one that he got dunked on 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.159 and he saw him scream all loud, and I don't 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.440 think it was an accident that was on Diallo a 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.920 D with the big scream after blocking shots and after 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.440 we sealed the game, like they could tell this game mattered, man, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.279 And they just need to see more of this. There's 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.080 a good team in here somewhere, they just need to 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.000 find it. To me, I think it wasn't a coincidence 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.560 either that we started to go on a run with 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.560 like we took out a lot of the bad defenders. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.280 I thought, you know what I mean, Monk stopped lane, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.880 Ellenton stopped playing the only guy out. There was Carmelo 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.760 who was on fire again tonight and his spot up 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.479 shooting was huge. Just a good fourth quarter win, and 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.960 that we talked about after after they at Miami game, 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.360 where that could have been a spark plug. But tonight 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.520 they just looked so dejected early, and I thought, this, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.560 maybe this is the turning point. I'm not there to 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.480 say that yet, but this is an important win. I 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.200 thought it was really big that they got together and 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.440 came together to get this one. Because even though I 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.480 wasn't for the firing or like Frank Vogel, I honestly thought, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.680 if they lost this game, to me, if Lebron didn't 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.720 get ejected tonight, they were lost by twenty. Like, I 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.040 don't know, do you agree with that? Like that's that's 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.760 how I saw this game kind of going. If Lebron 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.360 didn't get out, if they didn't have any kind of 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.360 spark to them, the game was going towards where Jeremy 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.200 Grant was just getting whatever he wanted and we were 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.480 gonna lose by twenty. But that fourth quarter, man he 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.360 started switching. Jeremy Grant wasn't able to get to his 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.440 spots easier. I thought again, THHD was big on both ends. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.320 I thought he bothered Grant enough. Uh, and he's gonna 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.440 be a big part of this team. But yeah, that 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.160 was a good fourth quarter. That was a good fourth 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.400 quarter to kind of build off off if they can. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.720 So the reason why I don't think they would have 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.680 I don't think Lebron was related to the outcome was 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.880 things got a lot worse after the ejection. They got worse. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.600 And then basically what happened was in the start of 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.400 the fourth quarter, Mello made a couple of threes off 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.240 of driving kicks rim pressure that Russ created, and then 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.520 it cascaded into hey, why don't we try to win 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.960 this game? You know what I mean? And so like 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.080 that that that's more my interpretation. That's not that's not 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.520 to say like Lebron, you know, Uh, Lebron deserved a 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.160 lot of blame, as did everyone else on the roster 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.920 for finding themselves in the predicament that they were in. However, 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.520 I tend to think that that was more an example 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.240 of holy coward, we're really going to lose to the 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:50.480 Pistons tonight. Not ah, Okay, Lebron and Isaiah two had 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.640 almost gotten a fist fight, So now let's start trying. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.360 I didn't think those two events were tied to each 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.160 other at all, you know. Um and again, just to 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.800 put a bow on the positive parts of it, that's 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.160 kind of the the order of operations. Russ put his 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.520 head down and got to the room to start the 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:09.520 fourth quarter. When he did, when he did, uh, Mello 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.480 made a couple of threes and uh. Then at that 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.240 point Anthony Davis engaged defensively, and then they rode that 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.199 talent wave and that competitiveness wave to beat an inferior 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.760 basketball team that severely lacked offensive creation at the end 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.280 of the game and was leaning on Jeremy Grant and 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.160 and Kate Cunningham to create everything. So I think, in 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.200 a weird way, as much as I'm happy about the 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.520 win and as much as it is an indicator of 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.320 their competitive spirit, I'm not sitting here and saying like, Okay, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.680 everything's good. Now we came back and beat the Pistons 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.840 in the fourth quarter. No, those problems still exists. So 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.079 moving to the Frank piece, because like I texted Roger 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.920 to be in the middle of the game and I said, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:55.160 frantastic go and and I joked with him that if 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:59.040 they won, it would be bad because because it would 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.760 just delay that inevitable outcome. And I told him I 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.080 was joking, but there's some truth to that concept, because 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.840 the reality the situation is is Frank going back to 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:14.160 DeAndre Jordan represents everything that's wrong with this situation. Frank 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.319 has justified that by saying we need defense and we 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.640 need rebounding. But as we know, throughout this whole season 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.280 with DeAndrea on the floor, they've been killed on defense 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.720 and they've been killed on the glass. So that was 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.080 never a solution based in reality. That was a that 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.200 was a fantasy that existed in Frank's head. And then 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:38.080 in addition to that, the heavily leaning on a zone, 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.199 which you and I talked about a lot in the 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.480 last pot. You can use a zone two throw a 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.880 team off out of rhythm by just mixing up looks. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.480 The Dallas Mavericks did a fantastic job of this in 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.600 the two thousand and eleven finals, as we all know. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.880 But you can't just run a zone NonStop, especially against 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.000 good teams, because they'll just figure it out. And there 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.480 were stretches, especially in the in the third quarter tonight, 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:09.120 where Kay Cunningham just completely solved our zone, kicking out 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.240 the shooters and making us pay. The point being like, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.920 there were just some strategies from Frank tonight that that 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:21.560 we're glaringly. You know, they just struck me as a 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.920 person who was like, things are getting bad. I'm going 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.400 to revert to everything that makes me feel comfortable as 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.920 opposed to trying to adapt and solve this situation, you 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.240 know what I mean. And then and then when you 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.800 couple in the effort and focus stuff, which we talked 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.160 a lot about, like you can't blame everything on effort, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.559 but dude, like efforts a real problem here, Like, it's 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.160 actually a real problem here. This is not like, Okay, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.680 if they run the right sets and we put another 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.360 big forward out there, everything is going to be fixed. No, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.040 guys aren't doing their jobs either. That's the real problem. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.960 Anthony Davis early in the game was getting destroyed on 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.160 box outs by Isaiah Stewart. Lebron James was getting caught 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.640 ball watching get backcut all the time, making no attempt 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.800 to help around the basket. Mellow in particular, after having 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.440 a pretty good stretch of defense there a few games ago, 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.840 has really tailed off in recent games as a defensive player. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.920 The guys aren't bought in, and so this is where 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.240 I come back to the Frank problem. I don't like 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.800 the idea of firing Frank either. Everything you say makes 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.920 perfect sense. Firing a coach in the middle of the 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.319 season is asking for chaos, you know, having having a uh, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.640 tricking yourself into thinking that David Fizdale or some other 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.000 random guy is going to fix all your problems. You're right, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:40.040 that's that that that's that's that's completely irrational thinking. However, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.760 if anybody gets into the chair and the guys buy 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.440 back in, meaning they actually commit to doing the job 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.680 that is asked of them by the coaching staff, it's 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.520 better than what we have with Frank. That's just the 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.440 reality of this situation. It doesn't matter. I have you 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.520 and I again for everybody who's just joining us in 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.840 the last few weeks, Roger and I have been doing this. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.520 This is our hundred and first episode. We've been doing 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.680 this for a long time. We are the biggest Frank 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.880 supporters you'll find out there. I think he's by far 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.000 the best coach for this team. If they actually were 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.319 bought in to what they want him to do or 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.320 what he wants them to do. But the buy in 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.160 is gone, and I'm not sure why that's a whole 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.480 other topic, but the buying is gone. These guys don't 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.880 listen to Frank anymore for whatever reason, and so as 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.520 a result, it's untenable. That's just my opinion. It doesn't 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.760 matter if David Fizdel is a lesser coach. If he 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.319 gets in there and then when he says, hey, guys, 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.720 I need you to freaking box out and they actually 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.760 do it, then he's better than Frank for this job 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.200 simply because of the buying. And it's unfair, but that's 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.640 just the reality of the situation. You know, there's everyone 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.319 points of the two thousand sixteen situation with David Blatt 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.840 and Tyler. Is Tyler a better coach than David Blatt? 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.200 Probably Yeah, as a matter of fact, yes, he absolutely is. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.920 But a good a good percentage of that turnaround that 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.720 season was associated with changing the voice. When David talked, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.200 they looked at him as an arrogant dude from the EuroLeague, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.680 who thought he was who thought he was a lot 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.440 better than he actually was, who thought he was more 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.240 accomplished than he actually was, and all the NBA pros 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.880 Net locker room didn't listen to him, But when Tyler 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.560 got in the chair, they all bought back in and 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.280 they all started carrying again and it turned around their season. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.760 And that that's kind of the way that I look 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.640 at this. The chaos, to me, is part of the 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:46.560 process to leading towards making that change, to get the 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.400 group to buy back in. And I know that scares 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.200 the heck out of people, but that's just kind of 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.840 where my brain is at right now. Yeah, And I 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.320 had a whole bunch of notes ready for like the 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.000 Frank Vogel is probably fired and this is why it 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.720 probably should have happen, and we can kind of save 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.160 the is going forward. And I touched on earlier, like 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.440 to me, it's the same issue that we're just trying 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.120 to like plug plug one button in and solve everything. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.280 And again, like Frank Vogel hasn't been great some of 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.880 the rotations, but like what we were playing was not 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.920 his team, you know what I mean, Like tonight the 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.320 two big stuff, like DeAndre Jordan is not the best 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.320 guy for it. He's fitting an archetype that Frank Vogel 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.880 wants to play. But Frank Vogel was never a coach 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.000 that wanted to play guards that can't defend at the 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.160 point of at tech, that can't do any kind of 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.160 that can't help on the boards, you know what I mean. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.800 And again, like putting effort into a scheme, it's really 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.920 tough to judge that. But when your stars aren't bought in, 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.000 like that's a to me, that's a star issue, right, Like, yeah, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.160 you can bring someone else in, maybe they'll buy in 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.440 for a little bit, But to me, that doesn't solve 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.840 your problem. Like tonight we saw Russ and a D 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.240 bought in. Is a makes this a really good basketball team? 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.720 Like we kicked the Pistons as in the fourth quarter 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.960 it was thirty seven to fifteen, Like this game that 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.920 we were blowing out all game, Russ and a D 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.640 just bought in like that, Like that's a huge turning 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.920 point to me, And it just shows that that's in there, 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.040 that's in them. Like Malik Monk is not going to 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.440 be able to defend, Like it's just that's who he 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.640 is as a player. He's this park plug offensive guy. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.600 I think that's been pretty clear. Carmelo Anthony, what you 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.680 get out of him defensively, to me is a bonus 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.160 just with his shooting that's coming. But like the boden 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.600 has to come from RUSS, A D and Lebron And 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.280 again we can you can't fire them. You're you're a 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.440 thousand percent right. It is not Frank's fault. It is 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.880 lebron a Navy's fault. But you can't fire lebron a Navy. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.160 It's unfair, but it's a reality. Sure. But I like, 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.560 just my opinion, I don't think firing Frank all of 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.320 a sudden gets that Like to me, that's an inner 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.600 problem within them that they have to get to. Like 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.120 to me, that's not a fire. The coach's like the 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.560 Sacramento King just fired Lukewald right, seventeen games in, just 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.720 fired their coach. To me, their season is done. Alvin 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.080 gentr is probably a good coach. Alvin Gentry is gonna 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.040 come in. It's just gonna try to instill whatever new 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.840 philosophy he has. But that season is kind of done 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.720 for them. They're onto the next one. They're gonna try. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.000 They have little things in the contract. While Avan Gentry 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.720 can become their you know, future coach for a longer time, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.840 but they're probably going to a deeper coaching search in 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.320 there to me, firing Frank Vogo mid season just that's 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.119 not the solution for this team. This team has Russell 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.320 Westbrook fit issues. This team has we have guards who 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.520 can't defend, who we need to space the floor? Issues? 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.000 We have who is our two centers that can play, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.600 that can protect the rim and rebound enough? Like those 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.919 are not firing your coach issues to me, And like 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.479 Frank Vogo has a ton of problems himself, he has 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.400 line of issues. Tonight, I thought it was a step 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.919 forward though, no Rondo tonight, Like we got what we wanted. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:34.320 We got the th ht Russ stagger tssue Russ and Lebron. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.480 We got Rondo a little bit. Once Lebron went out. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.720 I tweeted that. I tweeted that when Lebron goes out, 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.720 it's a license for Frank to play Rondo. It's just 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.600 like that he gets, he gets like a card and 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.520 it's like, oh, Lebron's gone, O, let me play in 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.800 my Rondo card, Like I can play Rondo now. Great. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.760 But like but again, like we got we got those 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.080 staggered and I'm seeing process that's going forward here. But 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.120 like to me, Fryan Frank Vogo is the same thing 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.560 I've been talking about with the DeAndre Jordan's stuff. Everyone 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.680 came at us and like, hey, just you know, stop 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.760 playing Jandre Jordan's and we'll be fine. Play a d 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.240 at the Five, And that solved some issues. That solved 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.320 the rust not playing a phone booth playing in a 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.160 phone booth issues, but opened up these other problems that 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.760 like now the eighties the five now the help man, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.560 the low Man's monk to help Man's Carmelo Anthony to 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.760 help Man's, the guy who's tagging the rollers, Wayne Ellington, like, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.720 those are other issues that comes up. And maybe it's 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.000 not fair that Lebron has to be bought in from 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.480 you know, tip off to end of tip off defensively, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.760 but that's what this roster has built, has been built 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.520 upon at least until Trevor Reason comes back, list until 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.600 Austin Reeves shockingly comes back like we need his defense, uh, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.560 and he needs to be bought in. And then hopefully, 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.800 I'm hopeful and maybe again I'm a optimist. I'm a 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.719 hopeful optimist in the wrong way, but I'm hopeful this 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.600 can kind of build towards that. But like firing Frank 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.159 to me, is like pushing a button and hoping it 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.159 solves everything. And there's all these other unintended consequences that 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.040 probably come from that. And I'm a big believer in 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.679 a team needs a training camp, but team needs, you know, 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.600 to have voices that they've been they've been with they 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.520 went to war and won a title of the thirteen 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.120 months ago. Like, if Frank Vogel's voice is lost, imagine 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.560 a guy that they haven't been to war with. Imagine 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.800 a guy that they don't know if his stuff works. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.080 You know what I mean? You know what I mean 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:15.280 by that, Jason, like that, You're right, You're a thousand 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.840 percent right. I do not again, I do not think 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.520 Frank is anything but a scapegoat in this situation. But like, 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.520 but I'll give you an example. You know who the 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.560 two thousand eighteen has at the trade deadline. So you know, 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.719