1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Can if I am six forty you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: A lot of stuff legislation that's passed the governor's desk. Today, 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: there was a piece of legislation that passed the Governor's 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: desk and it's the culmination of a long, long effort 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: to get this piece of legislation on the books. And 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: you know, oftentimes it can be a long time before 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: you get legislation passed. I like this story because, hey, 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: it hits something that I care about, which is animals. 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: And I also like it though, because it's the power 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: of one person to begin the process, create momentum, and 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: then actually get legislation passed over the objection of big 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: money and lobbying against it. The legislation I'm talking about 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: is the new legislation outlawing the maiming of cats, the 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: declawing they call it, where they den uckle cats or 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: cut their tendons off, and it's generally done, you know, 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: to protect furniture or whatever. The reason is they don't want, 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: you know, in the house, people don't want clawing, but 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: it's an important part of a cat's life. Anyway, this 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: procedure has existed as a money maker for veterinarians, and 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: there's big money behind it nationwide and in California. So 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: one person began this effort to try to get it 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: out lawed county by county, city by city, et cetera. 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: And she joins us now, doctor Jennifer Conrad, veterinarian. Congratulations 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: to you. It's got to be a pretty big week. 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: Thank you, Mark. Yeah, yes, thank you Mark. You've been 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: there for the for the long haul with me on this, 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: so it's nice to get to talk to you about 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 3: it actually becoming illegal in California to be claw cats. 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: I think, uh, the cruelty associated with it is substantial, 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: and that you know it as a veterinarian, and you've 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: always just been repulsed by it, the fact that it 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: was something that was just done so routinely. 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: It is done routinely. It's still done routinely. It's twenty 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: two percent of American cats are declawed and seventy two 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: percent of veterinarians will declaw cats. So that's why it 37 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 3: had to be that we went to legislation because veterinarians 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: have clearly failed to police themselves. And I am a veterinarian, 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 3: I'm allowed. 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: To say that. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Paw Project movie. You did a documentary. It 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: was long time ago. I want to see it was 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: like twenty twelve maybe something like that, Like yeah, yeah, 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: and that really laid it out, like wow, it just 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: starkly hits you. Man. It's just a money making thing, 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: and it's done so quickly, and they essentially destroy this 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: cat's ability in instance after instance to live its life, 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: and all kinds of other behavioral and physical issues begin 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: to show up in the cat after this procedure goes 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: down exactly. 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: And I think if veterinarians called it d knuckling, then 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: I think people who have cats wouldn't do it to 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: their cats. But this, this euphemism of it being called 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: decline when it's actually amputating towbones is why it's so popular. 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: That's such a great point because you think of it, Oh, 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: it's like clipping toenails almost just permanently click clipping toenails, 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: just the clause, but it's actually, you know, naming these creatures. 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 2: So I want to get to something because I really 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: think beyond just the specific legislation, I'm so happy for you. 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: And as I say that Paul Project movie just details 61 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: the way in which you built a coalition. You started this, 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: you were outraged by it, you were repulsed by it. 63 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: You were again in this community of veterinarians, and they 64 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: were backed by some pretty big money. As I recall 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: the kind of you know, the headwind against you was 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: pretty strong, and you somehow got a coalition of enough 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: people who were outraged by the immorality of this that 68 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: you actually got momentum behind the legislation. So I like 69 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 2: to just talk about this because is the triumph of you, 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: in one person, building a coalition and getting this effort 71 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: across the finish line. How did that happen? 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think that once people understand what it is, 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: and if you care about cats and you realize that 74 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: their own doctors are maiming them to protect couches, then 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: people are incensed. And that's how the coalition started. And 76 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: when Jim Jenol joined me on this, he's such a 77 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: good organizer of so many things, then we really started 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: to build momentum and got veterinarians all over the country 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: to feel like, you know, you could belong to a 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: group who protects cats instead of the group that decides 81 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: to betray cats. And now we have thousands and thousands 82 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: of veterinarians who are happy to admit that decline is 83 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: awful and that they'll never do it. 84 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: But when you started, I remember there was a pretty 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: big pushback from I wondered, it's the veterinary union or so, 86 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: you know, it's some group that supposedly represents vets. 87 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: Exactly. The veterinary trade associations are always against because against 88 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: doing anything that's good for animals because they they see 89 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: it as it being bad for business. They see anything 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: that makes animals have any protections under the law as 91 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: being bad for business, because remember, veterinarians and veninary trade 92 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: associations very often look at animals as property. And that 93 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: is why the pushback was so big. And it's a 94 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: billion dollar a year business declined. So that's the problem 95 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 3: is that people don't want to admit how awful it 96 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: is because it is such a moneymaker. 97 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: It's such a brutal, you know, business of when you 98 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: think about it, like, you know, the dollars and cents 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: measured against the you know, the immorality of it. So 100 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: what happened it was it county by county or how 101 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: did you try to get this legislation across the governor's desk. 102 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: I mean you had to, you know, you really had 103 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: to get a lot of signatories to this. 104 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: Yes, we did. We had a lot of What we 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: had which was magical this time was we had Alex Lee, 106 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: assembly Member Alex Lee who loves cats, and he was 107 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: not going to let this go. He kept working at it, 108 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: and he kept working at it, and finally he pushed 109 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: it across the line. And you know what's remarkable, Mark, 110 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: after all these years of doing this is that we 111 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: did not get a single no vote. Republicans voted DS, 112 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: Democrats voted DS. The governor signed it. We did not 113 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: get any no votes, which means that people are coming 114 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: to their senses that this is an awful thing to 115 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: do to a cat's there's no reason to do. It 116 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: doesn't protect furniture, it doesn't protect human health because d 117 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: claud cats bite more, and they use the litter box 118 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: less because it hurts their paws to dig in the sand. 119 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 3: So people have come to their senses, and now it 120 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: is illegal. Veterinarians couldn't police themselves because it's a billion 121 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: dollar a year business. So now the state legislators stepped 122 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: in and said it is illegal to declaw cats. 123 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: I love it. It's such a triumph, really a triumph, 124 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: and it has taken so very long from start to finish. 125 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: How long did it take? 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: Well, I started the Paw Project in nineteen ninety nine 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: and the first time we tried to run legislation in 128 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: the state of California was two thousand and four, and 129 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 3: we got shot down over and over again. And what's 130 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: funny about it this year, and I have to say 131 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: that I'm really happy, is that the opposition has been 132 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: stripped down to they have no arguments. They don't They 133 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: used to say stuff like, oh, it's going to protect 134 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: human health, or it's going to cats are going to 135 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: lose their homes. But we've refuted all the arguments of 136 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: why de clung should be legal, and so they've been 137 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: stripped down to nothing and now they just have to 138 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: admit it's wrong and it's illegal. 139 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Congratulations to you California banning the what's called declawing of 140 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: cats under this new law. It's taken those decades to 141 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: get it done. You started it, and I just think 142 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: it's so very exciting. Congratulations, Thank you, Mark. Yeah, doctor 143 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: Jennifer Conrad, thanks for joining us on KFI. Yeah, I 144 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: mean again. I love that story for so many different reasons. 145 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: But one of the reasons I like that story is 146 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: because one person's outrage led to a movement and they 147 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: finally brought it home. But it took twenty years to 148 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: do it. You know, it is the co Belt Show. 149 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: Thompson sitting in hey bottom of the hour, and we're 150 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: going to talk about the eat and fire compensation plan. 151 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: It's interesting because some of the residents are taking what 152 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: they kind of feel is a lousy deal just because 153 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: they're desperate to take a deal, but others feel completely 154 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: ignored nine months into this recovery process. We'll talk about 155 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: that bottom of the hour, as they say, John Cobelt Show, 156 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson sitting in on KFI AM six forty. We're 157 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 158 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 159 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 5: six forty. 160 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: I guess there's some flight delays that continue as a 161 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: result of these you know, shutdowns, people not showing up 162 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: to work, the control tower empty as it was in 163 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: Burbank for some time this week. You know, it's weird 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: to me, how can you consider these essential workers essential, 165 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: force them to come to work, but not consider paying 166 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: them essential. It's outrageous. I mean, it really doesn't make 167 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: any sense. It doesn't track logically. You have the means 168 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: to pay them, pay. 169 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: Them, especially air traffic controllers. 170 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but exactly, of course, that's what this is relevant to. 171 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: But I mean there are other examples. I mean, you know, 172 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: they're park police, and you know a bunch of other 173 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: I get it. When you're when you're in a plane 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: or you're waiting on a flight, the most essential worker 175 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: is in that control tower. But I'm just saying, in 176 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: other kind of interlock fucking aspects of life in America, 177 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: they're going to be other critical jobs. I mean, they 178 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: may be US customs enforcement people, you know what I mean, 179 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: border of people I'm talking about, who are managing airport immigration. 180 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: Those were coming in, in other words, from overseas, so 181 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: you're you know, if you're going anywhere, you have to 182 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: go through security at the airport. If you consider those 183 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: people who are working security essential workers, you're going to 184 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: force them to work, then you have to pay them. 185 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: It's absolutely outrageous that you can somehow compel them to 186 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: work and you're not compelled to pay them as the government. 187 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: And what's even more galling is that there's talk now 188 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: about now we're not sure that we're going to pay 189 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 2: everybody their back wages. We're deciding It's always been absolutely 190 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: automatic that everybody gets their back wages. In fact, it's 191 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: been so automatic as many of you know who work 192 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: in and around the military. Generally, banks that work with 193 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: military families or those who are in the military, they'll 194 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: extend loans. Usually they're you know, like zero percent loans 195 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: to service families, and the idea being as soon as 196 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: the government gets back in session, these loans will be 197 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: repaid automatically. But what's happened now is there's this dance 198 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: being done where in addition, you know, this is obviously 199 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: a high stakes situation in Washington where their demands on 200 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 2: either side, but now it's been weaponized in even other ways. 201 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: For example, you know, we're going to lay off a 202 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: lot of people. We're not going to furlow them, We're 203 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: going to lay off a lot of people. And now 204 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: that's happening. The layoffs have begun, so once again you know, 205 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 2: you've got layoff threatened. Now it actually is happening another 206 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: round of layoffs and cuts. This is that guy Russell Vote, 207 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: you know who runs omb He's kind of heading those up. 208 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: But more to my point, you're going to make those 209 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: burbank of control tower employees show up. You're going to 210 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: make those people who are working security at the airport 211 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: show up. You're going to make all of these support 212 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: personnel show up because there are essential workers, but you're 213 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: not going to pay them. It makes no sense. There 214 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: is a threat that Donald Trump is making to China 215 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: more tariffs in retaliation for restrictions imposed on the export 216 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: of rare earth minerals. And he's actually saying Donald Trump 217 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: is saying, I've got no reason to meet with President she. 218 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: This is a meeting is supposed to take place in 219 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: two weeks. So the stock market they got wind of 220 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: this and they sold the star markets sold off today. 221 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: I think sm he was down almost three percent. This 222 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: is really I mean, there's some real effects if you 223 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: get into a back and forth that is ugly with 224 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: America's biggest customer. And I'd say, you know, obviously, if 225 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: not the most significant trading partner, you could argue it 226 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: based on how you're evaluating it. One of the most 227 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: significant trading partners. You're going to see the effects in 228 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: the stock market, You're going to se effects in the 229 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: American economy. So you know, it's this is really tricky ground. 230 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: And I get it that there's a back and forth 231 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: going on between Trump and China, but it really is tricky. 232 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: So mean, all this stuff is happening at the same 233 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: time and within the community of those who have walked out, 234 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Congress specifically, and those who have 235 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: walked out and have the power to return government and 236 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: turn the lights back gone. And again I'm talking about Congress, 237 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: there are now cracks in the solidarity around well, we 238 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: can just tough this out as long as we have to. 239 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: They're cracks in that armor. And they're already those even 240 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: maga Congress people that are saying we got to get 241 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: back to work. And you saw the Marjorie Taylor green stuff, 242 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: didn't you. She's now saying, I'm not about this about 243 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: the the healthcare cuts. It's going to affect my family, 244 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: my kids. And that was significant because she is a 245 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: big backer of the president, and she's a big backer 246 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: of anything the GOP wants. But on two different things. 247 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: One the ACA subsidies, these subsidies that have to do 248 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: with the extension of Obamacare, and on the Epstein files, 249 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: those two things she breaks with a lot of the party, 250 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: and she is, let's face it, a loud megaphone. So 251 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: all these things are happening at the same time, federal layoffs, 252 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: government continues closed, You've got ripple effects through the transportation system, 253 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: through the air, and they're now cracks in the solidarity 254 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: around all of this in Washington. So that's the latest. 255 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: At the end of this week, when we come back 256 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: to the Eden fire survivors feel ignored nine months into 257 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: the recovery process. There's a real question about a compensation plan, 258 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: and even a compensation plan that's not that great is 259 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: being taken because it's all that's being offered. We'll talk 260 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: more about that next. 261 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelts on demand from KFI AM 262 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: six forty. 263 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: Mark Thompson sitting in for John. You know, one of 264 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: the big stories around and the rebuild of these fire 265 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: ravaged areas from the Palisades to Altadena is the way 266 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: in which Altadena has sort of been bereft, you know, 267 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean, the eaten fire survivors sort of look at 268 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: things and see that the compensation plan isn't sufficient. I 269 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to Shawna Dawson Beer about this and 270 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: just to get a state of the state because the 271 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: governor making various announcements that pertain to relief. But let's 272 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: see what Shawna's position is on all of this. And Shawna, 273 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: you can fill us in on where Altadena sits as 274 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: the state of California tries to ride in with some relief. 275 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cavre. 276 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nothing good, Mark, I think that's unfortunately the 277 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: answers to that question for Altadena right now. For context, 278 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: I am, like so many a fire survivor. I had 279 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: a total lost property west of Lake where we had 280 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 4: no fire response, no evacuation order, and still no answers 281 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 4: about that, And like everything, we're getting a lot of 282 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 4: lip service but not a lot of real action, just 283 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 4: a lot of broken promises. 284 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the town you're from, the nine thousand homes. Yeah, 285 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: Alta Dina, but lost. I think I feel like Alta 286 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: Dina just gets lost in a lot of the conversation 287 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: around the Palisades. You know, Palisades has the Moneysade Palisades 288 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: has a lot of leverage that comes with that money, 289 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: and sadly, Alta, Dina, just I feel as though they've 290 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: been at the kids table when it comes to all 291 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: of this. 292 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 4: You know, Oh, unfortunately, I think you nailed it. I mean, 293 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: right after the fire, Governor k Newsom quickly signed an 294 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 4: executive order that would suspend SB nine. And for anyone 295 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 4: who's not familiar with FB nine, SB nine was a 296 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: Senate bill that was passed to try to address our 297 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 4: states housing crisis through increased density by splitting lots, allowing 298 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 4: multiple units on a lot larger a to us, reducing easements, 299 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 4: et cetera, all this kind of fun staff things that 300 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 4: frankly work in a lot of parts of the city 301 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 4: but did not work in others. And so he allowed 302 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: exemptions when this bill was passed a few years ago. 303 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 4: And then he allowed for our fire impacted communities, including 304 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: Altadena on the Palisades, to be entirely exempted from the 305 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: application of FBNI, but he left it to our local electics. 306 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: And so one thing that we do have in common 307 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 4: with the Palisades is that we are both in part 308 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 4: and I say in part because we Alsadina is entirely 309 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: unincorporated La County with a board of supervisors representatives for 310 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: the Palisades a little different parts. They are part unincorporated county, 311 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 4: part city, but in the Palisades they're representative on the 312 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: board of Supervisor. Lindsay Horbak and the mayor Karen Bath, 313 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 4: who represents the city portion, both immediately enacted that option 314 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: from Gavin Newsom and stopped SB nine because they wanted 315 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: to maintain the character and ensure that the community that 316 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: was rebuilt looked like the community that were crossed in Altadena, 317 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 4: where we have Katherin Barger is our fith district supervisor 318 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: who oversees it's important to understandab an area comprised of 319 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: more than sixty communities and more than two million people. Okay, well, shocker. 320 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: They did not elect to enact that, so SB nine 321 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 4: is still being applied, which opens the doors for greater developments, 322 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: which all kind of plays into raising the property tax base, 323 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: which frankly the powers that be want to do because 324 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: they want more money, because we are very We're a 325 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 4: cash cow. The disaster economy is real, folks, and everybody 326 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: but the fire victims is getting rich right now. 327 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: And again when we say SB nine that allows for 328 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: the splitting of lots and essentially for yeah, I mean 329 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: in a way of the urbanization or the further urbanization 330 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: of the community. And and it and it's about money. 331 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that absolutely is. It's the same as SB seven 332 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 4: eighty two. That sounds like the governor just signed to 333 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: fight a lot of community pushbacks. And there's been a 334 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 4: lot of community push pushback because Albadina had no say, 335 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: no vote, the the tools to construct what they call 336 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 4: it e i f D and incremental UH financing district 337 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 4: economic increment and I forgive me, there's so many letters. 338 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's Enhanced Infrastructure Financing District is what 339 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: it's called. It's ei f D, right, thank you, thank you. 340 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 4: So the whole point of this is to in theory, 341 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 4: you know, create mechanisms to fund rebuildings, right, and that 342 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 4: is that that is real. And we have those mechanisms 343 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: on the books that the county could enact at any 344 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: time and take advantage of. But instead of doing that, 345 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 4: they you know, this bill was created and pushed through. 346 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 4: It went through the Senate behind closed doors, no oversight, 347 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: no vote, no vido, and it actually eliminates the constituent 348 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 4: veto power. The protest element that exists typically was removed. 349 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 4: And it's hard to ask, you know, not to ask why, 350 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 4: why why do you need to remove the protest element 351 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: and just push it through and you could have done 352 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 4: it without the bill. And why is our supervisor and 353 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 4: especially why is Newsom not listening to what the people 354 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 4: in the community actually want. Instead, they're taking the word 355 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: of a county that continues to fail us. It just 356 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: told us, hey, we let you burn for three days 357 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: because we had no plans. 358 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, as the old phrases says, insults injury, 359 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it really is insulting that the 360 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: community is completely cut out of any input. It's absolutely 361 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: outrageous it is. 362 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 4: And they know that they can do it because twenty 363 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: two thousand of us who have been impacted by this 364 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: and Altadina, which is half of our entire town, if 365 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: not more, are displaced. You're not where we can even vote, 366 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 4: We're not in our homes. We don't have homes. So 367 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 4: you know, what better time to take advantage and do 368 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: whatever you want with the community. And at the end 369 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: of the day, the situation in Altadena very simply is 370 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: one of the largest real estate development deals in the 371 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 4: history of the state. It's a lot of money to 372 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 4: be made. There's billions of dollars at stake. And you 373 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 4: know what we think. I don't think anyone cares because 374 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, they're going to do 375 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: what they want and in hoping that we're gone. 376 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that all happens. It really is 377 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: about money. There's money to be made in all of 378 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: these different ways and public money, private money, contractor money, 379 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: et cetera. What is the compensation plan that's being offered 380 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: to a lot of these eaten fire residents? Give us 381 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: a sense of that, it's a pretty it's paltry from 382 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 2: what I'm reading. 383 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 4: You know, it isn't great. But I'll tell you, while 384 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 4: on its face, you know, it's like, on one hand, 385 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 4: if you look at it and you do the numbers, 386 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: it's easy for some folks to look at it and go, hey, 387 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 4: this is not a bad deal. At the same time, 388 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 4: you know, historically, if we look at other compensation offers 389 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 4: that are that like this, made by other utilities and 390 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 4: similar situations, Historically those folks who have taken those offers 391 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: have received pennies on the dollars compared to their you know, 392 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 4: neighbors who held out for litigation and went through their 393 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 4: attorney and fought for better settlement. But that said, you know, 394 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: like everything I'm going to say, it's complicated because really 395 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 4: what makes the most sense and whether or not this 396 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 4: is this deal is trash or is actually you know, 397 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 4: viable and worth considering comes down to each individual case, 398 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 4: the merits of their case, the realities of their case, 399 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: and the realities of their situation, right, which is different 400 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 4: for everyone. Some folks, you know, we've had this conversation 401 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 4: a lot. 402 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: They can't wait. 403 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: You know, they may have to accept half of what 404 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 4: they would get in a litigation scenario, because the other 405 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 4: alternative is being foreclosed on and losing your home because 406 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: you can't hold out for another year or two and 407 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 4: you know, make the mistake. See will drag this out 408 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 4: as far as they can. It's what they always do 409 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: because the last minute to trial, because they want to 410 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 4: exhaust you. They have more money and more legal hands 411 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 4: than you ever will and they can do that and 412 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: they know it. Now. The circumstances here, I believe, are 413 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 4: a little bit different, if not a lot different, frankly, 414 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 4: because a judge is going to compel them to move 415 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: to settlement much more quickly than would happen you know, 416 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: in a in a one off kind of case situation. 417 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: But it doesn't change the fact that you know, everyone 418 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: is rolling the dice and they have to wait if 419 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 4: they are going to push through litigation. But you know, 420 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: there's a lot of consideration and we I don't know 421 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 4: how deep you want to get into this once. But 422 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: you know, again, it's like it's not going to be 423 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 4: bad for everybody. You know, for example, you know people 424 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 4: who lost a family member, okay, especially they lost an 425 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: elder family member, one of the worst things that could happen. Right. 426 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 4: We can rebuild things, we can't we can rebuild memories, 427 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: we can rebuild structures, we can't bring our love towards back. 428 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: And it's really impossible, I think, to put a dollar 429 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: amount on that, but s thee has and that dollar 430 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: was five million dollars. Okay, that's what that amount is. 431 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 4: And you know, on its face, you know, is it enough? 432 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: And I don't think any any amount is ever enough 433 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: for any of us for what was done to us. 434 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 4: But you know, based on compared to what someone may 435 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 4: get in court, based on how those calculations are made. 436 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: For example, with you know, when you have a loss 437 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: of life like this, it's generally looked at in illegal scope. 438 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 4: And I am not an attorney and I do not 439 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 4: offer league good advice. But anecdotally this is usually a 440 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: matter of how many years you have left versus x 441 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: your earning potential. So if you lost someone in their 442 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 4: eighties or nineties, you know you may not stand to 443 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 4: get more than that in court, and it may be 444 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 4: good to just take the offer and be able to 445 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 4: move on and more in your loved one and get 446 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: on with your life. You know, if you were a 447 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 4: renter who had no insurance and had a bag of 448 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 4: belongings be lost, this offer might make sense for you, 449 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 4: But you know, on the flip side of that, there 450 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: are a number of people for whom it doesn't make 451 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 4: sense or who are left out entirely. So you know, 452 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: if you happen to be insured because of our state 453 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 4: suppvation laws, which is effectively no double dipping, which means 454 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 4: for for anyone listening that you know, for example, if 455 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: you had a million dollars of loss and your insurance 456 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: company paid you eight hundred thousand, you could recover the 457 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: two hundred thousand dollars difference. You cannot recover a million 458 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 4: dollars from a settlement, be it direct or through a 459 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: court legal settlement with an attorney. So you know that said, 460 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 4: if you had insurance, this probably doesn't make sense for you. 461 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 4: By the time you pay legal fees and taxes, and yes, 462 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 4: most of us will have some sort of tax liability 463 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 4: on a part of this, then yeah, you're looking at nothing, 464 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: especially when need factor the reality that these settlements, the 465 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: offer if you go direct to your see has it's 466 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 4: paying you. It's rather paying you pennies on pain and suffering, 467 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 4: and it completely omits other areas. So for example, if 468 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: you have business loss, economic loss, if you have significant 469 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 4: person injury, which a lot of people did. My husband 470 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 4: is one of those people. He had serious personal injury. 471 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: He broke his back the night we were evacuating. 472 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what you've done, Seana is I think 473 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: beautifully laid out the context. And if the context is 474 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: so specific to every loss, you know, and so for 475 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: what works in some place, there won't be a workable 476 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: solution in another place. I mean within the same community. 477 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 4: Ultimately, we can't judge anyone. You're right, and we can't 478 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 4: judge our neighbors. It's the same as you know the 479 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: concept of alpenting and not for sale. I fully support 480 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: the ideal of alputing and not for sale in the 481 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 4: sense that no one who wants to remain should be 482 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: forced to leave, right. But some people need to leave 483 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 4: and they need to sell, and there needs to be 484 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 4: no judgment around that. You know, everyone has to do 485 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: what is best for themselves in this situation. And I 486 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 4: really I can't say it enough. I keep saying to 487 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 4: everyone in our group, you know, do not consult a 488 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 4: spreadsheet or the internet or another group our survivors network 489 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 4: for me for whether or not this makes sense for 490 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 4: you. You need to consult a trusted attorney who is very 491 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: well versed on these types of settlements and with litigation 492 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 4: with a utility. You know, that is that simple to 493 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: judge for your case? What's going to be the best 494 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 4: for you? If everyone is a. 495 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: Whatever deal you take, you're likely to have, you know, 496 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: the remorse associated, you know and reflection that that that 497 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: follows very tough spots. SHAWNA. Dawson Beer, Uh, this is 498 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: to be continued and uh And as you say, it's 499 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 2: complicated and it's grim, but it's important, so I appreciate 500 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: you spending time with it. 501 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 4: We're not going down with a fight. Aldanina will not 502 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 4: go quietly. I can tell you that much. 503 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: And you've been at it for a long time. It's 504 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: not This isn't your first rodeo. So I love that 505 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: you're out there fighting. Thanks SHAWNA talk, all right, thank you? 506 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 4: Mark? 507 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, John Cobelt Show, Mark Thompson sitting in 508 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: on KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the 509 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 510 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM sixty. 511 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: Where is he going today, John coblt He's on his 512 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: way where Deborah and so I feel like he's going 513 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: to London first, is what I recall. 514 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. 515 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: He doesn't like when we talk about Oh is that right? 516 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Okay, Okay, I apologize. Well, yeah, you can 517 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: dump that, dump it. Yeah, his whereabouts is unknown. He's 518 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: a secretive guy, that John je Belt. Yeah, we just 519 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: keep anything related to John, just dump it. But I'm 520 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: excited to be here. Always, always fun to see you 521 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: and the and the KFI community. Yeah, you see that. 522 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: By the way, there's some wild things happening. International limit. 523 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: Looks like the Israelis that full back to the lines 524 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: that were prescribed in this new deal. And we talked 525 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: about the Peace Prize and the fact that it missed 526 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: President Trump maybe because the cake was baked before the 527 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: announcement of this Gaza deal was made. But the other 528 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: part of the Middle East thing that was surprising. You 529 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: saw that the Qataris are going to have an air 530 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: force presence in Idaho. It's pretty wild the Katari Air 531 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: Force will have a presence in Idaho. And it's one 532 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: of those stories where you go, really, is this really 533 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: happening now. Qatar, I'll remind you, has been a pretty 534 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: prominent player in the Middle East feast the Gods of 535 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: Peace plan, right, because the blueprint for it laid out 536 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: in negotiations that the Qataris hosted. And there was also 537 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: and this is the troubled part of Qatar, the quitar 538 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: hosting Hamas. Hamas leadership lived in Qatar. So you've got 539 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: Qatar in this kind of interesting place where they're both 540 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: sidling up to the West. And President Trump autumn that 541 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: plane right delivered that four hundred million dollar plane and 542 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: that's the plane that's being buffed up to be Air 543 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: Force one, and it'll take a while. It's going to 544 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: be I think nine hundred million to get it all 545 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: buffed out. But anyway, the Qataris then have a relationship 546 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: with Washington, So they have a relationship with the Moss. 547 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: They have a relationship with Washington, and you know, in 548 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: a way, in a troubled, weird Middle East, maybe they 549 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: are good candidates to help broke a repiece. No, they 550 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: got this Gaza deal done. And today the announcement came 551 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 2: from Pete Hegseith, the Secretary of Defense, that the US 552 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: is going to allow Katar to build an air Force 553 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: facility at Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho. It'll 554 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: host Katari F fifteen fighter jets and pilots who will 555 00:31:52,560 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: train alongside US troops. The announcement comes weeks after this 556 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: executive order for the US to guarantee the security of Katar. 557 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: You remember that has I think it had something to 558 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: do with the fact that the Israelis took out an 559 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: attempt to take out of leadership of Hamas. It ended 560 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: up taking out some administrative people but in Qatar, and 561 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: so the Katari's got this guarantee. It was a declaration 562 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: by Donald Trump that America will guarantee the security of Qatar. 563 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: So anyway, it cut to today and you have this 564 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: official agreement. And this is something the airports has done 565 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: with some partner nations, Singapore for example. Germany's another example. 566 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: But the Katari's playing a substantial role in the peace talks, 567 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: having a substantial relationship. As I said, having delivered that 568 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: plane to Trump, there's obviously a real relationship there. And 569 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: now they will have a home at Mountain Home Air 570 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: Force Base in Idaho. 571 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 572 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: You can always hear the show live on KFI AM 573 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 574 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.