1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. Did it Monday, September the fifteenth, and 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: the Vice President says unity is not possible. Welcome to 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes Are. This was 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: a at times pretty jarring, emotionally jarring with the words 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: from the Vice President today and also from Steven Miller 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: during a podcast in which they were honoring Charlie Kirk. 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: They were doing it on his show, and you know, 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: there were very nice moments we will get into, but 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: you walk away thinking almost there was a declaration of 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: war on the other side. 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: Of the aisle, without a doubt. I mean, they vowed 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: retribution for Charlie Kirk's death. They said that they were 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: going to use every resource they had at the Justice Department, 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: at Homeland Security, throughout the entire government to disrupt and 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: to eliminate anyone and to find anyone who is speaking ill, 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: of promoting funding any sort of ideology that promotes leftist extremism, 17 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: but certainly anyone who even makes fun of, makes light 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 2: of jokes, celebrates Charlie Kirk's murder. 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: This was a wide ranging It was a two hour episode, 20 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: has some commercial breaks in there, but this was the 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Vice President playing host on Charlie Kirks Show. It's a podcast, 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: but he was doing it from the White House, but 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: it was all on all on video, and he had 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: several guests. He had the White House Chief of Staff, 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: the deputy the chief of Staff was there as well. 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Even RFK Junior made an appearance, and a lot of 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: people were sharing stories and some of them sweet we 28 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: can hit on here in a moment about how they 29 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: and just how close they were. I think it really 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: does hit home. They lost somebody who was a dear 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: friend and family member too, a really tight knit group. 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: Yes, they all this wasn't just professional, this wasn't just business. 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: It absolutely felt personal. They were a group of people 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: who knew each other's wives and children. So yes, this 35 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: was a close group and they are deeply wounded, and 36 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: understandably so, I mean, this is jarring. And it hasn't 37 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: even been that long. They're probably still in shock. I 38 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: mean the way he died, how he died in front 39 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: of the world watching, that's a lot to process and 40 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: a lot to digest. 41 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: And this is a guy. According to JD. Van, I 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: think it. The Vice President shared some very personal anecdotes 43 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: about Charlie Hurt, who was thirty one years old, but 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: he said he was a critical part of getting Trump 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: and getting JD. Van's elected, called him the smartest polytical 46 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: operative he had ever met. That is that's pretty high 47 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: marks for a kid. Essentially, he was thirty one years old, 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: found at this organization when he was still a teenager eighteen. 49 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 2: He was eighteen when he founded the organization. 50 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: Yes so, and was able to put it together and 51 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: to get to the level he got to at thirty 52 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: one is awfully impressive. There are people who have all 53 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: kinds of issues with how he spoke and how he 54 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: spoke about people, and some of they would frankly call 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: it hate speech. Some of the things he said, we 56 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: get that, but as a human beings who has been 57 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: murdered in front of us, all essentially. 58 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, And I thought it was I thought what 59 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: he had to say about Erica and what he had 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: to say about Charlie as a husband, I thought those 61 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: were very poignant moments. And I heard some things I 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: hadn't heard before from JD. Vance talking about what kind 63 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: of a husband and father he was and how he 64 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: taught him to be a better husband. 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. He I didn't know where 66 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: he was about to go with that, but he said 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Erica told him that Charlie never raised his voice, never 68 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: cursed at her at any point during their relationship, and 69 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Jade Bands admitted and like, look, I've been unpleasant to 70 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: my wife. I can't say that that I haven't raised 71 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: my voice. But he did, And this was one of 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: the more poignant moments. I thought. He said, I now 73 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: am getting opportunities with my kids and with my wife 74 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk's kids and wife are not going to 75 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: get with him. How dare I ruin that or disrupt 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: that with a bad attitude, bad words of being unpleasant? 77 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: So that I thought that was a sweet point that 78 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: he did make. 79 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that was one of the brighter, 80 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: more positive moments during this two hour session, which there 81 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: was a lot of unpleasant things said. But I did 82 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: think that was a really beautiful takeaway. And I do 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: like that to recognize what he did and what he 84 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: did better than most and say, I'm now, in his 85 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: honor going to take that on and the next time 86 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: I find myself about to gill up my wife or 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: get upset, I'm going to remember Charlie and I'm going 88 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: to do better. I think that is amazing if that 89 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: comes out of it, amazing. 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: And everyone who came up, they had some of the 91 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: staffers who were very close to Charlie, someone he worked 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: with at Turning Point, USA. Somebody from the White House 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: kind of had a panel discussion there for a moment. 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 1: But you also had one on one with Stephen Miller, 95 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: of course, the deputy chief of staff at the White House. 96 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Now there was a lot of honoring and personal stuff, 97 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of politics and almost robes. 98 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: It sounded like they were declaring policy. I say politics, 99 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: but this might end up being now policy for the 100 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: United States government or at least the Trump administration. Robes. 101 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: I don't want to go too far, but I want 102 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: a declaration of war on anyone who would dare. It's 103 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: one thing to be violent speak ill, even of Charlie Kirk. 104 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: Yes, so this was Miller said this right, Stephen Miller. 105 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 2: He said the last messages that Charlie sent me, he said, 106 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: we need to have we need to go after left 107 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: wing organizations that are promoting violence in this country. And 108 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: I will write those words on my heart. I mean, 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: there was a lot of very It was a call 110 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: to action, for sure, but a promise of swift justice 111 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: and investigation it got it for me. It got a 112 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: little scary, sounded sounding. It got like sounding like a 113 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: Salem witch hunt or a witch trial where we're going 114 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: to start looking for you and if you're there and 115 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: we hear anything you did or said or wrote, we're 116 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: going to come after you. It just it felt a 117 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: little scary when I heard what they were proposing. 118 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: Now, the words, if you just read them, that's one thing. 119 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: But there was a delivery from certainly J. D. Vans 120 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: and Stephen It was emotional. It was angry. It actually 121 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: was angry. We can understand that they lost a family member, 122 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: someone was gunned down this way, a beloved family member, 123 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: we should even say, and so they should be angry. 124 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: But Stephen Miller talked about that anger. He said, yes, 125 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: there is sadness, but he said there's also anger. But 126 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: he called it focused anger and righteous anger. And he said, 127 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: if you have that and it's directed for a just cause, 128 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: it's one of the most important agents of change in 129 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: human history. We are going to channel all the anger 130 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: we have over the organized campaign that led to this 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. Now, Robes, 132 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: did you catch there was on more than one occasion 133 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: that they refer to left leaning groups. 134 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: As terrorist organizations organization terrorist networks. And my concern is 135 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: when he talks about focused anger, righteous anger, directed for 136 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: a just cause. Here's my problem with that. Each side 137 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: thinks they have that. Who's to say what's righteous? Who's 138 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: to say what the just cause is? Because just as 139 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: many people on the other side of the political isle 140 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: think that their anger is justified and that their anger 141 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: is righteous. 142 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: So what we do? 143 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: So that's but that's what blows my mind that they 144 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 2: do they really believe. I'm just curious, like honestly believe 145 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: that theirs is just and theirs is righteous, yes, and 146 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: the other side is not. 147 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: Yes. And you know what this led to over the 148 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: years war wars that you absolutely one hundred percent believe 149 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: what that Steven Miller believes that he's saying one hundred 150 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: But how do we also have some kind of balance 151 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: in that we have to leave a little space or 152 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: opportunity of being wrong, or we have to leave space 153 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: for someone who thinks differently because they have to be 154 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: in the same group too. Right, Then what do we do. 155 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: The righteous was a scary word for me. 156 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 2: It was because also is he only talking about extremist 157 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: like leftist groups, people who would be aligned with the killer, 158 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: only them. He's not talking about Democrats, he's not talking 159 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: about just people on the left side of the political aisle. 160 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: He is only referring to the extremist groups. But so 161 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: you fight fire with fire, then I don't know what 162 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: the endgame is or what these investigations or these I 163 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: don't know what these going after a group of people, 164 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: like what does that look like? What does that entail? 165 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: Because it's vague. It also adds to your fright right 166 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: now because we don't even know exactly what they're planning 167 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: to do. And there was an example that jd. Vance used. 168 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Will get into that in a second of groups that 169 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily call fringe, like our mainstream, big time 170 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: democratic funders that are now being identified as, if not 171 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: extremist groups themselves, they in some way are promoting or 172 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: funding funding something else that allowed for some negative speech 173 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: to be made. So it's to your points tweet, it's 174 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: just a it's just vague, and Steven Miller refer to 175 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,239 Speaker 1: it as they're going out to folks who are organized 176 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: docsing campaigns, organized riots, organized street violence, organized campaigns, and 177 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: messaging designed to trigger violence. What is that whatever they 178 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: deem as speech that's too upsetting that maybe it could 179 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: incite someone else to violence. 180 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: Could someone's peaceful protest. 181 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: Be there. 182 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: Organized organized riot riot? Or they're organized campaigning designed to 183 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: trigger violence. 184 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: So it's all vague. But he ended that statement by saying, 185 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: God as my witness, we're gonna use all we have. 186 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean that we're just such and what you're trying 187 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: to allow for emotion, you're trying to allow for these 188 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: people are hurting, they're angry, to take that anger and 189 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: use the all resources of the federal government to go 190 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: after folks who are speaking in a way you don't like. 191 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, both signs are now saying what the other 192 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: side can can't say. 193 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: It really is frightening, and I think that's I actually 194 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable and concerned. 195 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: But JD. Vance wrapped up at the end by going 196 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: after groups that are funding democratic leaning organizations. I should say, 197 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: I guess news organizations, organizations, And he made a plea 198 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: about one particular magazine, one particular article, and actually one 199 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: particular claim and that article, we will tell you what 200 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: it was, and then we'll tell you what the truth 201 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: actually is. Stay here continuing now with JD. Vance honoring 202 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: certainly Robes his friend Charlie Kirk filling in form on 203 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: his show today, the Charlie Kirk Podcast, and it was 204 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: there were some very heartfelt moments. You can tell these 205 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: people that they have lost not just a I mean 206 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: he was a valuable asset. To hear them talk about 207 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: just how much he meant to them as a political 208 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: operative and ally. 209 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: And as a thirty one year old, that's wild to 210 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: me to think that at that young age she had 211 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: that much influenced, that much respect, and that much of 212 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: a reach. And certainly we've heard President Trump say it, 213 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: but Jadvans echoed it that they credit his effort with 214 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: reaching out and being able to connect with young voters 215 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: as to why Trump and Jade Vans are sitting in 216 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: the White House now. 217 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: And to think of people who are that connected up 218 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: at the heights of government and these political insiders they 219 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: were run around chasing some mid twenties, late twenty year 220 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: old kid like they were seeking him out. That is 221 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: impressive what he was able to build. Again, I know 222 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people on the other side, it's not impressive. 223 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: They don't think it's impressive what he built. They think 224 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: it's a shame, and they think he built it on 225 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: some pretty I guess, some even say hateful ideas. One 226 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: of those things came up today worked at the end. 227 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Jd. 228 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Vance took a few minutes and he brought up an 229 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: article in particular in do you have an upright it's 230 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: in the Nation magazine? Yes, but the title, yep. 231 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: The title is Charlie Kirk's legacy deserves no mourning now 232 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: that stings. 233 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: That sucks. The days after his death, what day was 234 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: this one put out this? He said, what's the day 235 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: on this? Because he actually said it during the podcast, 236 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: jad Van said, I can't remember what he said. Actually 237 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: he said days. So it was in the days after 238 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk had been murdered September twelfth, the twelfth, less 239 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: that was that was Friday eleventh, so it was Wednesday 240 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: he was killed till Friday. This article Friday, This article 241 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: came out and at one point in the article, the 242 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: writer accuses Charlie Kirk or says Charlie Kirk had referenced 243 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Katanji Brown Jackson, Chila Jackson, Lee, Michelle Obama, and Joey 244 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Reid or at MSIPI right, and had spoken of them 245 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: in such a way that they didn't have brain processing power, 246 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: that they were affirmative action higher he attributed. He said 247 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: that this writer attributed a quote to Charlie Kirk that 248 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: wasn't accurate right, And in doing so, they said that 249 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: this writer was ruining the good name and reputation of 250 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. So if you go and you look it 251 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: up robes which we have and looked up the exact quote. 252 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: So what should we go with. First, we're going to 253 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: write what their update was, or we're gonna say what 254 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: he actually said. 255 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: Well, I think if you just hear what he actually said, 256 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: that's all you need. 257 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: So there you go. So the Vice President today is 258 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: saying that the article was wrong because it insinuated that 259 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Charlie said that black women do not have brain processing power. 260 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: And he made a long, several minute argument saying that 261 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk didn't do that, and that this writer lied 262 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: about a dead man, and that this magazine, the Nation magazine, 263 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: which he called an esteemed magazine that is funded by 264 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: George Soros, lied in order to justify a murder. He 265 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: called it soulless and evil. So what did Charlie Kirk 266 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: actually say, Miss Robock. 267 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: So The Nation put out a correction at the bottom 268 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: of their article and it says correction. A previous version 269 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,239 Speaker 2: of this article attributed a quote to Charlie Kirk incorrectly. 270 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: Kirk said this, and here is the quote. If we 271 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and 272 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: Shila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, 273 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: we would have been called racists. Now they're coming out 274 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: and they're saying it for us. They're coming out and 275 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: they're saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action. We 276 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: know you do not have the brain processing power to 277 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal 278 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. 279 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: Sounds like he called them that. 280 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: There's video, there's a clip. You don't have to interpret 281 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: it is what he said. That is it's not an 282 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: AI situation. 283 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: That was verbatim. 284 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: It was verbatim from him, and there's video of him 285 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: saying it, and he says it with glee, I think, 286 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: and it is Robes. It's difficult. Somebody kids lost a dad, 287 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: a wife lost the husband, and we should mourn the 288 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: loss of a life. I don't think any human being, 289 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: no matter what problem you have with anything he ever said, 290 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: could feel nothing but pain and loss and sadness at 291 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: what has taken place. That should be the end of 292 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: the story, but it's not. 293 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, what happens is people on both sides of the 294 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: aisle dehumanize one another, and then they get mad at 295 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: the other side for dehumanizing them and for making it 296 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: just all about politics or somehow not acknowledging the unbelievable 297 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: tragedy that actually happened. But both sides are guilty of 298 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: doing it, and neither one is admitting it. And I 299 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: think that's the frustrating part. 300 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: And JD. Vance and Rose, he said a lot there 301 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: at the end. There were a lot of accusations he 302 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: was throwing around with not getting into all of that, 303 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: but he mentioned the word unity several times, and in 304 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: referencing unity he said we can't have it. 305 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: He talked about the divisiveness. 306 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: And said unity is not possible with anyone who would 307 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: be okay with the death of Charlie Kirk, and his 308 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: last two minutes it felt like he was angry. He 309 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: was yelling almost at times. And what he was saying, 310 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: I mean, this was a fiery declaration, is what it 311 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: Wasn't It wasn't that we are It sounded like we're 312 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: going to be on the offensive, like we are now 313 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: coming after you. 314 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: Yes, that is absolutely what it sounded like. And it 315 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: is what he said. And he again, in the name 316 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 2: of unity, talked about there was a some sort of 317 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: a survey being done and he said that only twenty 318 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: four percent of liberals, sorry, twenty four percent of liberals 319 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: believe it's acceptable to be happy about the death of 320 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk or someone who's a political enemy. And then 321 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: he said only three percent of conservatives thought that. So 322 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: that was his proof. 323 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: He was making a point that the folks on the left, 324 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: those extremists are more violent. Correct, he said, it's a 325 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: statistical fact. And look, this was not something that's going 326 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: to bring the country together. Maybe today wasn't the time 327 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: this was on Charlie. Charlie Kirk has an audience, and 328 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: maybe he was speaking directly to that audience. And yes, 329 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: that makes sense, that's an audience that is morning right 330 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: now as a nation we all should be. But this 331 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: one was a tough one to listen to today at times. 332 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: And it's interesting, I know we're wrapping up here, but 333 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: when he got really angry, obviously talking about liberal liberal extremism, 334 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: but he also got really personal and talked about what 335 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: his kids heard when they were at Disney World, Disneyland, 336 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: one of the two, and said the things that were 337 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: shouted at his children and so his anger, like you 338 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: could these were wounds that were there and what happened 339 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk certainly I think exposed them, or at 340 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: least you could tell that it was. Yes, it was 341 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 2: about Charlie, but it was also concerned. He even kind 342 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: of referenced to him macab way that he too could 343 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: suffer the same faith. It's almost as if he knows 344 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: that he has a target on his back, or he's 345 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: saying he does, and so he feels threatened. It seemed 346 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: as though to me hearing him today, he felt like 347 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: he was in the same boat potentially as Charlie Kirk, 348 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: and not scary. 349 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: It was ominous. It was scary about the future in 350 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of ways from our politics from our politicians right. 351 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: Your heart goes out for all of them. I'm terrified 352 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: that somebody is going to go after another one and 353 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: this is going to set off something in the country. 354 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: But folks, y'all hanging there, tell him you love him, 355 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: kiss him. Nothing is promised, but we appreciate you as always. 356 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: We just want to hop on for a few minutes 357 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: after listening and always appreciate you all listening to us.